Satanism: The Left-Hand Path

[macgyver]

I want to share something with you that I found today during my reading of the New Testament. At first I want to throw in some Wikipedia-Quotes about the Left-Hand Path for all of you, who don't know anything about it:
The term Left-Hand Path originates from Hindu Tantra. It was first used in Western occultism to describe religious practices viewed as immoral (such as "sex magic") by Helena Blavatsky (1831 - 1891).

Throughout history, many cultures have regarded left-handedness as evil. This tendency can be seen in the etymology of words such as sinister, which in Latin means both "left" and "unlucky." Consequently, the left hand has often symbolized the rejection of traditional religion.
List of belief systems that describe themselves as left-handed
Satanism
LaVeyan Satanism
Church of Satan
First Satanic Church
Theistic Satanism
Demonolatry
Dragon Rouge
Luciferianism
Setianism also spelled Sethianism
Temple of Set
Left-Hand Path Hinduism
Aghoris
Vamachara

Now for you to comment and post critique, what I found reading the Bible:

Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers; - Young's Literal Translation of the Holy Bible

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Baphomet.png/180px-Baphomet.png

Maybe just a coincidence, the left hand is pointing to Hell... ;)

[marpat]

So why the imae of baphomet? it is a glyph not an entity and represents creative force. I guess people programmed by the church will follow the satanic line but this is an error.

[marpat]

Also there are different opinions of what the left hand path is. To some it means using the physical body as an aid to spiritual development to others it is doing evil things and to some others the left hand path is one where the ego is dominant, which is not necessarily evil but is limiting.

[jojo]

and sex magick is not immoral. imo

[macgyver]

So why the imae of baphomet? it is a glyph not an entity and represents creative force. I guess people programmed by the church will follow the satanic line but this is an error.

I chose the image solely because the left hand points downwards; make of that what you want ;)

Also there are different opinions of what the left hand path is. To some it means using the physical body as an aid to spiritual development to others it is doing evil things and to some others the left hand path is one where the ego is dominant, which is not necessarily evil but is limiting.

I agree with you.

and sex magick is not immoral. imo

These are quotes from Wikipedia, they do not necessarily represent my opinion.

[haukipesukone]

I've heard of the left hand path. So what? I've also heard of walruses, hacky sack and bukkake.

Is there something you want to say about the left hand path? To me it seems like a valid option. "The right hand" path is for populist repeater wankers.

[runciter]

So why the imae of baphomet? it is a glyph not an entity and represents creative force. I guess people programmed by the church will follow the satanic line but this is an error.

creative force? and what does it create?

nothing, it can only manipulate and/or destroy..

[jojo]

These are quotes from Wikipedia, they do not necessarily represent my opinion.

yep, soz, i meant that. i was talking about wikipedia too. :)

your avatar is sporting a smashing mullet there macgyver! almost as good as mine!

[macgyver]

I've heard of the left hand path. So what? I've also heard of walruses, hacky sack and bukkake.

Is there something you want to say about the left hand path? To me it seems like a valid option. "The right hand" path is for populist repeater wankers.

I like people with strong convictions. Though I would feel better if you expressed them less harsh. ;)

yep, soz, i meant that. i was talking about wikipedia too. :)

your avatar is sporting a smashing mullet there macgyver! almost as good as mine!

You're absolutely right, your smile is sweet too! :)

[marpat]

creative force? and what does it create?

nothing, it can only manipulate and/or destroy..


Oh I see the bible thumper is back. Dont you think the baphomet image is so open to abuse because of christian propoganda about the false image of the devil?


I was under the impression that energy cannot be destroyed just change its form.

[runciter]

Oh I see the bible thumper is back. Dont you think the baphomet image is so open to abuse because of christian propoganda about the false image of the devil?


I was under the impression that energy cannot be destroyed just change its form.

just like i said: you can't create anything, you can only manipulate or destroy.

[marpat]

just like i said: you can't create anything, you can only manipulate or destroy.

Very christian of you

[isis]

Thank you, McGiver!!!

You provided very deep esoteric meaning to this picture. I know other interpretations, including "as above, so below", and allegedly pointing to the moon, etc.

But I think the true meaning of this picture is precisely what you said. In other words:

"Left hand path" - goes straight to Hell/union with devil
"Right hand path" - ascention to Heaven/path to Divinity

Satan has to give knowledge to people about things in advance. And here the demi-god Baphomet is "telling" it loud and clear, where the "left-hand path" leads.

(This is not to say that the dogma of "right hand path" is to be taken literally. You cannot follow "mainstream religions" either, because they're full of perversions. You have to use your own skill of decernment, think for yourself, and stay away from "Left hand path")

[vallick]

right hand path = you yourself become Christ and put on the incorruptible and you put an end to death and decay and can start to comprehend God


The left hand path = death and decay this path is for those who are afraid of satan and sell out for earthly possessions and earthly power that only leads to moth and decay. When a person chooses the left hand path they throw away there birth right to become the son of God or to become Christ like putting on the incorruptible. Alster crowley was a man that feared satan and he forfeits his birth right to become christ.

so in my book if you choose the left hand path then your just a pussy that fears satan and you forfeit your birth right to become christ:P and have to be reincarnated or you get the second death. Those from the left hand are are happy to get the second death or to be reborn in darkness and this goes to show you how dumb they are:cool:.

Right hand path= Fear of God and some day you to become Christ

the left hand path = Fear of Satan you throw away your birth right to become God. you then have to deal with Gods wrath and then satans wrath when he looses. Hello satan is a fallen angel and hates all humans hello monkeys from the left hand path death and decay is the only thing coming your way :cool: any ways

so in the end its all about greed im taking the right hand path because im geedy you get way more ahahaha:D

the left hand path you dont get that much maybee if your lucky you become famous and have money or if your lucky you rule the world. But you for fiet your birth right to become Christ and soon your body decays and you die and your reborn in this darkness again. satan is above you in the left hand path booo im God not satan the left hand path doesnt have much to offer

The right hand path has way more to offer in this path your the son of God and soon you to will put an end to decay and you become Christ. IN this path your above satan and can still enjoy earthly life money and stuff.
This path puts an end to reincarnation or the second death. When you die your not reborn in darkness instead you sleep in christ waiting for the great day of judgment when our earth becomes Christ like putting on the incorruptible and mankind enters the New earth and New heaven
Now Gods anointed can see the kingdom of God and can start to comprehend the seven seals.

so what path has more to offer:confused::confused: what path would you choose

[macgyver]

Thank you, McGiver!!!

You provided very deep esoteric meaning to this picture. I know other interpretations, including "as above, so below", and allegedly pointing to the moon, etc.

But I think the true meaning of this picture is precisely what you said. In other words:

"Left hand path" - goes straight to Hell/union with devil
"Right hand path" - ascention to Heaven/path to Divinity

Satan has to give knowledge to people about things in advance. And here the demi-god Baphomet is "telling" it loud and clear, where the "left-hand path" leads.

(This is not to say that the dogma of "right hand path" is to be taken literally. You cannot follow "mainstream religions" either, because they're full of perversions. You have to use your own skill of decernment, think for yourself, and stay away from "Left hand path")

No problem mate... :)
In my "research" ;) I also stumbled across "as above so below".
Absolutely agree about mainstream religions, most of them have been polluted by doctrines of devils (sic) or whitewashed their theology and compromised on important issues.
Concerning the destination of the left hand path I have another thread here at the forums:

23 Minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55263)

So thank you for your comments!

[raquel]

I do not believe in a literal Satan, but yes there are dark forces , and I think many people act in a McSatan way but do not even know it : take narcissists for example.
by Mc Satan I am referring to the Anton LaVey way, when u read that book basically it reminds me of the way the us government tries to tell consumers to behave , spend all your $$$$ , be into yourself!! treat yourself because u are so special and life is so precious and since your alive you must be special. Then go and have a mini you to make another slave to the system.
Of course this is what they want and that's why i refuse to have kids.

[demonlover]

just like i said: you can't create anything, you can only manipulate or destroy.
No you're wrong. Energy can neither be created or destroyed only change form http://www.allaboutscience.org/first-law-of-thermodynamics-faq.htm

[unbornawakened]

Bible, Koran, are written by the demiurge ... which to me means malevolent aliens ... they fool you to think you are reading God's :D (so ludicrous) words ... but you are falling in a trap. So, if they talk sh*t about Satan ... Satan might be the good guy relatively speaking ... but then people have a conception of Satan as evil, so they come up with "Satanic" cults that are even worse than the demiurge's rantings ... Ignore them all, and you will be much better off ;) Poor Satan (if it exists) never wrote a book and never insulted anyone :D :p

[metacomet]

Also there are different opinions of what the left hand path is. To some it means using the physical body as an aid to spiritual development to others it is doing evil things and to some others the left hand path is one where the ego is dominant, which is not necessarily evil but is limiting.

The left hand path involves using material methods to attain states of bliss or power exchange... this includes sex magick, drugs , ritualism, symbolism (mind control) and all manner of power mongering and obsessions with the physical body and material objects.

Many Satanists do not believe in an afterlife - they are simply atheists who desire occult wisdom or power. This makes it impossible for them to appreciate the concepts presented by true spiritualists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnrUV8bYlss

[metacomet]

Bible, Koran, are written by the demiurge ... which to me means malevolent aliens ... they fool you to think you are reading God's :D (so ludicrous) words ... but you are falling in a trap. So, if they talk sh*t about Satan ... Satan might be the good guy relatively speaking


I started a thread on the concept that Lucifer was outcast by the old creator God's for exposing humanity to a new form of consciousness. Therefore, Luciferianism, Illuminati, etc. are 'left handed' societies who allign themself with 'Satan' in order to fully experience the consciousness that Lucifer offers to us. This consciousness however is false - and neither Lucifer or the Old Creator Gods are the real 'God'. The God of the Old Testament is in fact the Old Creator Gods, vengeful, angry, and they smited Lucifer for attempting to expand humanities consciousness - perhaps not in the 'right' direction, but never the less expanding it.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52349

[unbornawakened]

Good post :)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52349

[itsallundercontrol]

Authentic tantra is essentially a liberation teaching(moksha-shastra),with the explicit purpose of leading practitioners to enlightenment.Ritual sex (maithuna),which is the focus of western "neo tantrism," is practiced only in left hand schools of tantra.

Mainstream (samaya) Tantra has always frowned on extremist practices and favoured an approach that permits householder yogins and yoginis balanced sexual activity and sexual abstinence for ascetics

[fff_666]

just like i said: you can't create anything, you can only manipulate or destroy.

energy cannot be created. nor destroyed

[eyepod]

Very christian of you

Is there really much of difference between Marpat's relegion and the Christian relegion which he hates so much? Left hand / right hand - same shit / different day?

[eyepod]

Find out the percentage of left handed people per population and then find out the percentage of USA presidents that have been left-handed. I think you'll find an interesting correllation. Left handeres are not evil - they think differently from right handers cos there brains are wired a bit different.

[fff_666]

Is there really much of difference between Marpat's relegion and the Christian relegion which he hates so much? Left hand / right hand - same shit / different day?

its a matter of opinion and approach. I used to be christian, was raised catholic. at some point i just disagreed with the christian "god". put quite simply, organized religion as a whole is a sham. If you believe in a creator and jesus or buddha or whatever, and that helps you be strong, and helps you channel the energy to get through your day, then I'm all for it. I don't require it. There's a flame burning inside me, it gives me strength, it grants my eyes the power of sight, it animates my conciousness. it is energy in the form of life. I shall do good deeds not because some omnipotent being demands i do them in his name. i shall do them in the name of humanity, for being kind to my neighbour. i expect nothing in return, and demand nothing.

followers of any set doctrine are inherently ignorant. they refuse to believe that anything other then what they believe is right. christians will argue with me saying " yes but only through jesus can you be saved" well, i dont need to be saved, im not asking for it. and they will say " you are just prideful" well, that maybe so, but i live my life to the best i can and if its not good enough. tough luck. I fear not death. and i fear not life.

[eyepod]

its a matter of opinion and approach. I used to be christian, was raised catholic. at some point i just disagreed with the christian "god". put quite simply, organized religion as a whole is a sham. If you believe in a creator and jesus or buddha or whatever, and that helps you be strong, and helps you channel the energy to get through your day, then I'm all for it. I don't require it. There's a flame burning inside me, it gives me strength, it grants my eyes the power of sight, it animates my conciousness. it is energy in the form of life. I shall do good deeds not because some omnipotent being demands i do them in his name. i shall do them in the name of humanity, for being kind to my neighbour. i expect nothing in return, and demand nothing.

followers of any set doctrine are inherently ignorant. they refuse to believe that anything other then what they believe is right. christians will argue with me saying " yes but only through jesus can you be saved" well, i dont need to be saved, im not asking for it. and they will say " you are just prideful" well, that maybe so, but i live my life to the best i can and if its not good enough. tough luck. I fear not death. and i fear not life.

followers of any set doctrine are inherently ignorant.

Well said. I was brought up christian as well but I knew from very a young age I was being feed an awful lot of fairy stories. At the end of the day some people are still caught up in the dogma but they can't actually see the wood from the trees. Left hand / right hand - their relegion (cos that's all it is) is right / yours is wrong.

[fff_666]

Well said. I was brought up christian as well but I knew from very a young age I was being feed an awful lot of fairy stories. At the end of the day some people are still caught up in the dogma but they can't actually see the wood from the trees. Left hand / right hand - their relegion (cos that's all it is) is right / yours is wrong.

whether its real or fake, the effect organized religion has on some people is against the very cores of the celebration of life. if " god" has given us free choice, who the hell are we to go around forcing god on other people just because the bible says so. its propaganda in my mind, " get all your friends to join, save them from the fiery pits of hell, make them come to church" a money scam playing on the trust and fraility of human emotions. this of course is my opinion.

[sophia_h]

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Baphomet is a blend of M/F symbols

it is HERMAPHRODITE

it means seek the BALANCE within your own being

the pointing hands show the EITHER/OR

neither path leads to balance if we follow ONLY
that path


Baphomet is simply showing there are two directions
to be explored so we CAN find our point of BALANCE

Most followers of the LEFT do not blame evil on the RIGHT
they live in a RIGHT created reality and it does no good to
harp on all the attendant unpleasantness of the current
RIGHT controlled paradigm
unless we explore the LEFT and USE the TOOLS of
the LEFT to rebalance our OWN being and the greater
community .

While the RIGHT accuses and blames the LEFT of all sorts
of evils coming from the psychotic mind set of the RIGHT
which is CONTROL OBSESSED


The LEFT by its very NATURE is tolerant and its followers just
want to get on with deeper exploration of their own INNER
beings.


too far LEFT becomes loosey-goosey no authority wild childe
so you see the urgent need to AVOID EITHER EXTREME

what we have currently is overly RIGHT due to religions
creating rigid controls to comfort the paranoiac fears of the
control obsessed

BALANCING our own beings will lead to BALACE in the greater
community




If one takes a long look at Baphomet one sees the hands saying
you can go this way or you can go that way and find for yourself
where your own balance lies and live in THAT BALANCE allowing
all others to live in what BALANCE stage they have found.


But you MUST return to your center which is depicted by
Baphomet, the HERMAPHRODITE, M/F in ONE.


Baphomet is not "good" OR "evil".

simply a guide showing that exploring EITHER/OR will lead
you to the HERMAPHRODITIC ONENESS.

now if you get lost in either one of the EITHER/OR

you ARE in HELL

HELL is a state of our own creation.

HEAVEN is finding and maintaining our BALANCE.


:D


`

[runciter]

Most followers of the LEFT do not blame evil on the RIGHT
they live in a RIGHT created reality


no, we live in a kabbalist-shaped reality, it's left/right "balance" at its best.

the masonic chessboard is all about "balance".

they love the word "balance".

[thirdwave]

its a matter of opinion and approach. I used to be christian, was raised catholic. at some point i just disagreed with the christian "god". put quite simply, organized religion as a whole is a sham. If you believe in a creator and jesus or buddha or whatever, and that helps you be strong, and helps you channel the energy to get through your day, then I'm all for it. I don't require it. There's a flame burning inside me, it gives me strength, it grants my eyes the power of sight, it animates my conciousness. it is energy in the form of life. I shall do good deeds not because some omnipotent being demands i do them in his name. i shall do them in the name of humanity, for being kind to my neighbour. i expect nothing in return, and demand nothing.

followers of any set doctrine are inherently ignorant. they refuse to believe that anything other then what they believe is right. christians will argue with me saying " yes but only through jesus can you be saved" well, i dont need to be saved, im not asking for it. and they will say " you are just prideful" well, that maybe so, but i live my life to the best i can and if its not good enough. tough luck. I fear not death. and i fear not life.

perfectly put.

[runciter]

perfectly put.

the energy comes from the outside, without energy the flame would die.

some people only take and never give, they believe they're god to themselves.

[thirdwave]

some people only take and never give, they believe they're god to themselves.

no shit!

you should right a book about your new discovery!

[runciter]

followers of any set doctrine are inherently ignorant. they refuse to believe that anything other then what they believe is right.


interesting doctrine.

[runciter]

no shit!

you should right a book about your new discovery!

and you are part of that category of people.

human black holes? i am convinced that black holes don't exist.

[thirdwave]

and you are part of that category of people.

human black holes? i am convinced that black holes don't exist.

you are apart of the oppressors group...

the kind that requires control over others... the seed and root of all true evil.

all built upon ignorance and fear, the reason one needs to be slaughtered to death on a cross to hand you your doctrine on a plate, and to offer you salvation.

But times are a changing and your barricade of senseless un researched and illogical rubbish, is not going to have any effects on the will of the universe and what is true with regards to nature...

You can dig your heels in the dirt, but the dirt is moving as well.

Good luck.

[runciter]

you are apart of the oppressors group...

the kind that requires control over others... the seed and root of all true evil.

all built upon ignorance and fear, the reason one needs to be slaughtered to death on a cross to hand you your doctrine on a plate, and to offer you salvation.

But times are a changing and your barricade of senseless un researched and illogical rubbish, is not going to have any effects on the will of the universe and what is true with regards to nature...

You can dig your heels in the dirt, but the dirt is moving as well.

Good luck.

i am part of nothing except humanity, life and the infinite energy of the universe.

you're addicted to self-hypnosis, so you can't see things for what they really are.

the oppressors group is made of kabbalists, who agree with you on many respects.

and you know it well, and you never speak about it :)

you're plotting against mankind :)

[thirdwave]

i am part of nothing except humanity, life and the infinite energy of the universe.

you're addicted to self-hypnosis, so you can't see things for what they really are.

the oppressors group is made of kabbalists, who agree with you on many respects.

and you know it well, and you never speak about it :)

you're plotting against mankind :)


well of course you would say that! lol

your not going to say

"Im an a Dogmatic brainwashed robot that has been fed so much shite in my life I have no idea of what freedom even is let alone help create it... I am go ignorant about things I have limited the truth to what is within this tiny little tunnel my head is in and i must not trust anything that is not within that tunnel, all evil things must be generalised so I find it easier sit within my safety net"

I cant see you being that honest, so you blabber on about me being evil and out to plot against man kind....

if you stand for humanity and I was its enemy, then I would be planning a big vacation because things would be going so well I would be getting bored!

[runciter]

your not going to say


i'm not a liar, i don't feel the need to lie about myself.

the cult of the all seeing eye is the root of all evil, this is the detail you willingly ignore.

probably because your belief system is not that different from theirs.

[fff_666]

i'm not a liar, i don't feel the need to lie about myself.

the cult of the all seeing eye is the root of all evil, this is the detail you willingly ignore.

probably because your belief system is not that different from theirs.

i think you missed my point completely. Energy is not sentinent. we use for sentinent purposes. by allowing ourselves to do follow any sort of religion is in my opinion wrong. i have been to mass, everyone bows their heads and hopes and prays that their sins will be forgiven, they look to the sky and deem themselves unworthy. how is that in anyway a positive reinforcement of the human race? by degrading yourself? by going to a mass and asking for atonement? by declaring yourself unworthy or unfit of forgiveness? instead of waking up in the morning and thinking " what can i do to make my life better" people wake up in the morning and say " ohh god, not another day of work, another day of stress another day of sin" to what avai? to channel this negative energy and allow ourselves only to feel complete when being braced in the love of god? why not feel healthy and comlete and happy all the time?

[runciter]

i think you missed my point completely. Energy is not sentinent. we use for sentinent purposes. by allowing ourselves to do follow any sort of religion is in my opinion wrong.


i don't have a problem with religious people, unless their belief includes my enslavement.

your views on religion are a bit too rigid, in my opinion.

edit:

and of course any cult that promotes violence is an aberration.

[bealert]

also read up on Michael Aquino and he's connections with satanism.

http://www.whale.to/b/aquino.html

[thirdwave]

i'm not a liar, i don't feel the need to lie about myself.


you have lied about me, which makes you a liar or a fool that stabs in the dark, both are not something I personally respect.


the cult of the all seeing eye is the root of all evil, this is the detail you willingly ignore.

you have no clue what the root of evil is because it is riding you like a pony... you have no effect on it because you exercise "evils" principles without even knowing it.

you lack the understanding of freedom... and no matter how colourful your paint your views, they lack freedom and respect for others individuality.. you only permit freedom to those who subscribe to your doctrine... and it is you who shows the lack of ethics to actually need a Guru whom you hand all your responsibility to, just to actually be decent to other human beings.

When I am decent to other people it is because I CHOOSE to be that way because I THINK is if more fruitful for all involved.

Not because it will help me get to heaven... not because it will keep me safe from Satan, but because it is a logic I can relate to and wish to promote.

it is the idiocy and irresponsibility of religious nuts who are so irresponsible they need a guiding hand to keep them in line and when this works for them all of a sudden they become teachers of good will.

And to be frank it is pathetic.

Of course I do not reefer to all religious people, as there are some whom simply follow a path that is working for them within their current state, and good luck to them, But I think I speak for a an awful lot and am certainly speaking to one now.


Your promote fascism with a cherry on top. but I don't think you are evil, I just think you are not all there... Im sure there are other religious victims who do think you are evil though.


probably because your belief system is not that different from theirs.

mine is open to all.... I do not fear evil.... I see Good as the right vibration and the way which we can grow.

As for all your religious crap you keep trying to force feed people with, take a history lesson and try and give your belief system a good stretching!

[runciter]

you have lied about me, which makes you a liar or a fool that stabs in the dark, both are not something I personally respect.


aren't you a kabbaloid crowleyote?


you have no clue what the root of evil is because it is riding you like a pony...


you mean occult crap? no i don't like it, i think it's another cage.


Your promote fascism with a cherry on top.


really? can you show me some example?


mine is open to all....


and the bankers love it :)


As for all your religious crap you keep trying to force feed people with


you have a somehow hallucinatory approach to reality.

[runciter]

you lack the understanding of freedom... and no matter how colourful your paint your views, they lack freedom and respect for others individuality.. you only permit freedom to those who subscribe to your doctrine... and it is you who shows the lack of ethics to actually need a Guru whom you hand all your responsibility to, just to actually be decent to other human beings.


given that you surely aren't a liar, can you back these statements with some evidence?

it's clearly because of fear that you can't look at the real oppressors, the kabbalist money makers.

you blame ordinary people for what's happening in the world, and you're silent about the occult string pullers.

with them you have in common a genuine hatred for jesus and christians :)

[runciter]

it is the idiocy and irresponsibility of religious nuts who are so irresponsible they need a guiding hand to keep them in line and when this works for them all of a sudden they become teachers of good will.

And to be frank it is pathetic.

Of course I do not reefer to all religious people, as there are some whom simply follow a path that is working for them within their current state, and good luck to them, But I think I speak for a an awful lot and am certainly speaking to one now.


you spit on the masses just like the oppressors do, it's a funny coincidence :)

the elite lives in depravity and is pushing its filth and sadism on the masses, because everyone must be silently converted to their mental pathology, and any belief system that would inevitably reject their crap is being attacked by them... how desperately obtuse they are!

they don't have the smallest possibility, they have the spiritual strenght of a pudding.

[sophia_h]

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no, we live in a kabbalist-shaped reality, it's left/right "balance" at its best.

the masonic chessboard is all about "balance".

they love the word "balance".





it is waaay out of BALANCE or there would be no
hunger, crime, rape, WAR.



MUCH too far right under enforced religious crap!


as people seek INNER PEACE we find a PERSONAL BALANCE

this spreads and more people feel a BALANCE blossoming within :D



IF we can keep it going we MAY be able to mitigate SOME
of the destruction that is needed by NATURE to cleanse the
out of BALANCE beings from manifestation and send all back
to the Spirit world for a time out to find their BALANCE again.

If we puny humans refuse to do our HOMEWORK
the GREAT MOTHER will most certainly take us to the woodshed.

ONE of HER names is PLUTO, ... heh heh.


;)


..

[mariag]

Bible, Koran, are written by the demiurge ... which to me means malevolent aliens ... they fool you to think you are reading God's :D (so ludicrous) words ... but you are falling in a trap. So, if they talk sh*t about Satan ... Satan might be the good guy relatively speaking ... but then people have a conception of Satan as evil, so they come up with "Satanic" cults that are even worse than the demiurge's rantings ... Ignore them all, and you will be much better off ;) Poor Satan (if it exists) never wrote a book and never insulted anyone :D :p

totaly Agree with you:)
I personally do not believe in Hell neither Satan as the church or whatever institution talks about , but -i´m aware of negative energyfields etc ,call it forces or whatever I actually call it spirits positive and negative. Please note that I do not speak negative on either the "bad" once nor the "good" .Spirits are as I see it much clever then to surround in bad and good / Dark and Light , they float ;)They just are it is us humanoids that get stucked on these terms , the Spirits or whatever you choose to call it are beyond that stage .:D.
In my opinion "Hell" "Satan" if it is its beacuse you wanted it so and have followed the Program "Follow the master ......Or else".
No intention of offend anyone or oppose anything , just saying my points of views :)

[thirdwave]

aren't you a kabbaloid crowleyote?

I have no idea what a kabbaloid crowleyote is....

I find both of them inspiring and speaking to someone like you who is very oppressive towards them makes them even make more sense.

But I am not apart of any group cult... in your true religious nature it is you who wants to tag me and group me... and go for it.. but don't expect me to understand what the hell you are on about.


you mean occult crap? no i don't like it, i think it's another cage.
No it spears you have not got a foggiest what I mean...

You don't have to be an occultist to be evil.... if you cant comprehend evil outside of the occult then I think I should stop talking to you and talk to my dog next to me here as he has more sense.

really? can you show me some example?

Why would I do that?... so I spend time posting it to you and when you have fuck all to say, you leave a three worded post that sounds like a comedy sketch out of Monty python.

You do not respect freedom... and only think it is justified within your religious views... that to me is fascism..

Do you think the Nazi's thought they were being unfair and wrong?? ... no, they believed they were right.



and the bankers love it :)
Hu?.. how the heck did that one come out?


you have a somehow hallucinatory approach to reality.

You seem to think you can tell me what my reality is...

and I find it quite funny... but if it feels therapeutic for you.. then talk away! lol

[thirdwave]

given that you surely aren't a liar, can you back these statements with some evidence?

No you cant have any evidence, because I do not need evidence to have a point of view...

however if one wants to assess my point of view I believe we all have a post count here for all to view.

it's clearly because of fear that you can't look at the real oppressors, the kabbalist money makers.

lol, im sure that is very clear to you.


you blame ordinary people for what's happening in the world, and you're silent about the occult string pullers.

wrong, i have pointed out the enemy more than you have... you are more focused on defending and promoting your religion... that is your prime goal... you are not looking to save humanity... you are looking to save Jesus Christ... because me and others are not inspired by Jesus yet still express spiritual understanding... rather than reassess where you are at... you brand us as either poor mislead victims... or evil Satanists...

its pathetic, see through, and a real drag... and its unfortunate, as people like you tarnish the image of the few religious people who are slightly more evolved.


with them you have in common a genuine hatred for jesus and christians :)


LOL, you WANT me to hate him... you WANT me to hate Christianity... because you think that would express a weakness in my stance... but the truth is I dont hate him at all... How can you hate a person whom you belive to by a myth made up of a big collection of others myths and life stories?

i would say I have a disliking for all religion, not a hate as there are aspects of it which are decent.... And I have no intention of stopping peoples choice to have a religion and to openly practice it.

(as I have said a shocking amount of times) ... But because of how over all it has been a thawn in man kinds side for so long and the benefits from it can be preserved without it... I do not warm to it one little bit.

I don't even Hate the illuminati... or Obama... or Hitler for that matter... I feel sorry for them...

Christianity will run its course and we live in a day and age where the truth within religion is starting to raise its head, this is why so many are panicking because they are not sure where to put their feet... all part of the process that everyone is going through though... but its about US not god.... when the truth starts coming out about the misleading it has done... where do you people go to find out more truth and answers!... the bible! and its advice on the "End Days"! ....

:rolleyes:

[thirdwave]

you spit on the masses just like the oppressors do, it's a funny coincidence :)

Well who am I to ruin your little movie there!?

the elite lives in depravity and is pushing its filth and sadism on the masses, because everyone must be silently converted to their mental pathology, and any belief system that would inevitably reject their crap is being attacked by them... how desperately obtuse they are!

They only just started doing it right???, but they have not quite managed to get there mits on the bible.... that must have been a real fucker for them! :rolleyes:

I think all this shit is down to the way they teach kids the occult at school... and how every other program you see is about it..... they are clearly trying to get everyone to be an occultist!

:rolleyes:

by the way, I'm being sarcastic.

they don't have the smallest possibility, they have the spiritual strenght of a pudding.

spiritual strength does not mean much if you are full of ignorance as well...

[fff_666]

the vague posting and any lack of a direct point of view other then name calling is quite tiring.

[runciter]

You do not respect freedom...


why don't you provide some example?

[runciter]

No you cant have any evidence, because I do not need evidence to have a point of view...


it's based on your imagination, you're inventing most of what you're writing.

you're not devoid of talent, but you lack in originality.

[runciter]

by the way, I'm being sarcastic.


one of their goals is the legalization of sex with children.

[thirdwave]

one of their goals is the legalization of sex with children.

another is to keep people ignorant to there advantages....

[runciter]

another is to keep people ignorant to there advantages....

it what a somehow cryptic post, and it's not the first time.

some time ago you wrote: "better out than in, i guess".

the subject was the same: sexual abuse on children.

[thirdwave]

it what a somehow cryptic post, and it's not the first time.

some time ago you wrote: "better out than in, i guess".

the subject was the same: sexual abuse on children.

could you elaborate more?

As I have no idea what you are talking about..

[runciter]

could you elaborate more?

As I have no idea what you are talking about..

you give strange replies, i'm talking about this phenomenon.

[thirdwave]

Ahhh I know what you mean...

you are referring to the holocaust thread where we were talking about how you think the Jews are to blame for earths downfall and how the holocast was a lie....

When we were debating how it is not just down to the Jews and there is a deeper root to the problem, you suddenly came out with

"childfuckers rule the world"

Of Which I pointed out how that has kind of allready been addressed and how randomly off topic it was but that if you had a sudden urge to come out with it, then it was better out than in....

here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=841159&postcount=212

But here we see you with your ignorant and puke infested implications that I would support such a thing....

Very typical of people like you, like heroin addicts ready to mug a gran for your hit.

:rolleyes:

[runciter]

here you replied to a post about the legalization of paedophila talking of advantages.

and your reply in that thread can be also read as 'better out of that cult than in, i guess'.

i was talking about the sabbatean frankist messianic movement, the cult of the all-seeing eye.

[runciter]

Of Which I pointed out how that has kind of allready been addressed and how randomly off topic it was


no it wasn't off topic, because this same cult was behind nazi persecution of european jews.

[thirdwave]

here you replied to a post about the legalization of paedophila talking of advantages.

and your reply in that thread can be also read as 'better out of that cult than in, i guess'.

i was talking about the sabbatean frankist messianic movement, the cult of the all-seeing eye.


Nice try!

You can read my posts how you like, but I read them taking note of the letters and words used within them... this is far more effective way to understand what someone is saying, you should try it!

you are no more than a desperate addict.... if this was a few hundred years ago, you would be waving your flame crying out "burn him" because you saw I had a crystal in my pocket....

here you show you have the EXACT same nature as the elite, misinforming...twisting.... accusing.... and trying to control for your own ideal that you feel is more important than others freedom...

You come out with ramdon remarks and then have the cheek to try and manipulate what people are talking about...?

I was referring to the fact that the elites occult practices work to their advantage.... any thick idiot can see this... this does not mean I think they there Morals correct... you pathetic attempts to twist my words not only show how low down you are... but they also show how you are not even a very good practising Christian.

Judging by your dishonest and misleading posts you probably do it your self.... you would if god told you to at least.

[thirdwave]

no it wasn't off topic, because this same cult was behind nazi persecution of european jews.

THE 9th COMMANDMENT
Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."


You are sinning.

[runciter]

Nice try!


i pointed out the ambiguity of your posts, it's there.

you can whine and play the victim until the end of time.

[runciter]

THE 9th COMMANDMENT
Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."


You are sinning.

who is the neighbour in this case? the rothschild family? lol

[thirdwave]

pathetic... desperate... dishonest...

[runciter]

you even resort to quoting the bible.

lol

[marpat]

given that you surely aren't a liar, can you back these statements with some evidence?

it's clearly because of fear that you can't look at the real oppressors, the kabbalist money makers.

you blame ordinary people for what's happening in the world, and you're silent about the occult string pullers.

with them you have in common a genuine hatred for jesus and christians :)

Kabbalah is an oral tradition based on the old testament. How could this be anything to do with banking except through the eyes of people who hate jews.

People dont need to be into the occult to be string pullers, they just need money.

[runciter]

Kabbalah is an oral tradition based on the old testament. How could this be anything to do with banking except through the eyes of people who hate jews.

People dont need to be into the occult to be string pullers, they just need money.

the creation of debt-money is an occult trick, and ordinary jews know nothing about kabbalah.

[marpat]

the creation of debt-money is an occult trick, and ordinary jews know nothing about kabbalah.

Money is nothing to do with the occult. I suppose you have some weird fantasy of how this is done. If you know how its done then perhaps you can use the same method to create some money debt for yourself.

Well if ordinary jews dont know about the qabbalah then that is because its a secret oral tradition. They are not likely to be interested in the modern intepretation of it as what is now called qabbalah is generally not used within the Jewish religious framework.

The might not know the subject but they could be aware of its existence.

You have endevoured to tie jewish mysticism into banking just to promote your own hate fantasy. Thats all there is to it. Its not unusual to find christians who hate jews the way you do.

[runciter]

Money is nothing to do with the occult. I suppose you have some weird fantasy of how this is done. If you know how its done then perhaps you can use the same method to create some money debt for yourself.

Well if ordinary jews dont know about the qabbalah then that is because its a secret oral tradition. They are not likely to be interested in the modern intepretation of it as what is now called qabbalah is generally not used within the Jewish religious framework.

The might not know the subject but they could be aware of its existence.

You have endevoured to tie jewish mysticism into banking just to promote your own hate fantasy. Thats all there is to it. Its not unusual to find christians who hate jews the way you do.

do i hate jews?

no marpat, the sabbateans hate ordinary jews.

central bankers and the sabbatean frankist messianic 'heresy' are one and the same.

[thirdwave]

the creation of debt-money is an occult trick, and ordinary jews know nothing about kabbalah.

no it is not an occult trick.... it is a very simple trick to do with creating money.

and most Jews know about the Kabbalah but most dont get into it...

the Kebbalah knowledge goes back YEARS AND YEARS!, you go on about it but never give a clear education on what is so evil about it.... you just blabber about it and about child killers...

Educate !

tell me 3 things the kebbalah teaches that is clearly a representation of evil.

[thirdwave]

do i hate jews?

no marpat, the sabbateans hate ordinary jews.

central bankers and the sabbatean frankist messianic 'heresy' are one and the same.

no you just hate wealthy successful Jews.... the poor working class ones are fine in your books....

:rolleyes:

[runciter]

no it is not an occult trick.... it is a very simple trick to do with creating money.

and most Jews know about the Kabbalah but most dont get into it...

the Kebbalah knowledge goes back YEARS AND YEARS!, you go on about it but never give a clear education on what is so evil about it.... you just blabber about it and about child killers...

Educate !

tell me 3 things the kebbalah teaches that is clearly a representation of evil.

there were child sacrifices in kabbalist history, as jewish historian ariel toaff has documented.

[runciter]

no you just hate wealthy successful Jews.... the poor working class ones are fine in your books....

:rolleyes:

you seem to have a little problem with logic.

those who control wealth are responsible for all deaths by starvation.

just to give an example, and they are perfectly aware of this.

not to mention all wars, and control over our health.

[thirdwave]

there were child sacrifices in kabbalist history, as jewish historian ariel toaff has documented.

that is a lame and vague response... there have been death and paedophilia within Christianity, but this does not mean its what Christianity is all about....

I have asked you a very simple question.... can you answer it or not?

[thirdwave]

you seem to have a little problem with logic.

those who control wealth are responsible for all deaths by starvation.

you only seem to see as far as your nose....

that only the skin deep problem of it and money is not a universal substance...

just to give an example, and they are perfectly aware of this.

not to mention all wars, and control over our health.

money is the root of all evils who ever has it... we are all greedy with money to an extent.... most rich people are greedy and keep it to them sevles... you don't have to be Jewish for this...

[marpat]

you seem to have a little problem with logic.

those who control wealth are responsible for all deaths by starvation.

just to give an example, and they are perfectly aware of this.

not to mention all wars, and control over our health.


Are the responsible for the obesity of populations too?

[runciter]

that is a lame and vague response... there have been death and paedophilia within Christianity, but this does not mean its what Christianity is all about....

I have asked you a very simple question.... can you answer it or not?

child sacrifice and usury are the reason why jews have been banned so many times throughout history.

they were practiced by a small minority of sorcerers and money lenders.

[thirdwave]

child sacrifice and usury are the reason why jews have been banned so many times throughout history.

they were practiced by a small minority of sorcerers and money lenders.

I see, so you obviously cant answer the question.

[runciter]

you only seem to see as far as your nose....

that only the skin deep problem of it and money is not a universal substance...



money is the root of all evils who ever has it... we are all greedy with money to an extent.... most rich people are greedy and keep it to them sevles... you don't have to be Jewish for this...

not money, but debt-contaminated money is the problem.

central bankers aren't jewish from a religious perspective, they are sabbatean frankists.

[runciter]

I see, so you obviously cant answer the question.

what is your question? three reasons?

child sacrifice, usury and trauma-based mind control.

[runciter]

Are the responsible for the obesity of populations too?

do you associate death by starvation with obesity? :confused:

[thirdwave]

what is your question? three reasons?

child sacrifice, usury and trauma-based mind control.

well lets see it!!.. i trust you have researched this and have some relevant teachings that show this???

come on get with it... I look forward to seeing this... here is your chance to expose it!!

I am not talking about stories you have heard Im talking about the Kebbalah.... so teach me!

[runciter]

well lets see it!!.. i trust you have researched this and have some relevant teachings that show this???

come on get with it... I look forward to seeing this... here is your chance to expose it!!

I am not talking about stories you have heard Im talking about the Kebbalah.... so teach me!

it's a secret oral tradition, and of course i'm not part of it :)

but child sacrifice has been documented, usury is blatant and mind control is everywhere.

trauma-based? think about all fabricated terrorism, columbine-style shootings etc.

[thirdwave]

it's a secret oral tradition, and of course i'm not part of it :)

but child sacrifice has been documented, usury is blatant and mind control is everywhere.

trauma-based? think about all fabricated terrorism, columbine-style shootings etc.

human sacrifice was done by other movements that where not about the Kebbalah... so that is not a direct association with the Kebballa....

Your guru Jesus Christ him self was a human sacrifice from God.

So cut the bullshit and answer the question.

if you must insist that child killing is a focus point within the kebbalah well then lets talk about that then... forward me the relevant teachings of this... lets see what they get up to...??

do you understand the nature of research and learning??

or do you just understand your God and everything else need not make sense?

you are preaching on the wrong forum.. I doubt you have even read an icke book... and if you did you probably closed off from it 3 pages in.

[runciter]

human sacrifice was done by other movements that where not about the Kebbalah...


yeah sure, i blindly trust what you say and i'm ready to forget what i know.

the illuminati cult is mainly based on kabbalah, it's becoming more and more open.

[marpat]

yeah sure, i blindly trust what you say and i'm ready to forget what i know.

the illuminati cult is mainly based on kabbalah, it's becoming more and more open.

But do you know or have you just read it? have you seen the inside of these things or are you just responding to what others have written? in that case you are just blindly trusing the written word of people you dont even know personally. A person may read how to drive a car but this does not mean they know anything about driving because they lack the real experience.

TW is one of the few that at least have a good level of understanding. He has had the grapes to get out there and look at things which most of the sheep in here are even afraid to touch, such is there programming and conditioning. Where did all this conditioning come from? from books rather than experience.

[runciter]

isn't the "star of david" a magic symbol?

and all western leaders must bow to the zionist flag.

[marpat]

isn't the "star of david" a magic symbol?

and all western leaders must bow to the zionist flag.

Yes, but the star of david has different meaning depending on the context used. In some cases it signifies the union of male and female, it also signifies the union of heaven and earth. It is also used as a symbol for the 7 visible spheres when you include the centre.

In magic and occultism intent is everything. What you are doing is trying to remove all context and difference so that you can focus on the superficial geometric similarities in order to promote your own negative views. It is like saying a Porshe and a mini are the same because they have 4 wheels.

You would actually find that the 6 pointed star existed in many other ancient cultures. I guess you will only see what you want to though.

http://www.graveworm.com/occult/sacred/hex.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram
http://judaism.about.com/od/prayersworshiprituals/f/stardavid.htm
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/star-of-david.html
http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/sacred-light-tabernacle-jerusalem-day

[thirdwave]

yeah sure, i blindly trust what you say and i'm ready to forget what i know.

the illuminati cult is mainly based on kabbalah, it's becoming more and more open.

but I am desperately trying to start a context with you where we can delve into this kebala teachings so we can see how this stuff supposedly comes about within it..

Im starting to feel like I could beg you and it would not make a difference...

I trust you are all clued up so would it really be hard?

[runciter]

isn't masonic "religion" also influenced by kabbalah?

isn't kabbalah promoted by many showbiz puppets like madonna?

isn't the madonna/jesus luz love affair a sublime kabbalistic joke about incest?

[runciter]

but I am desperately trying to start a context with you where we can delve into this kebala teachings so we can see how this stuff supposedly comes about within it..

Im starting to feel like I could beg you and it would not make a difference...

I trust you are all clued up so would it really be hard?

why are you so worried about the reputation of secret kerbala teachings?

i am stating the obvious, when i say that our hellish reality is kabbalist-shaped.

[thirdwave]

isn't masonic "religion" also influenced by kabbalah?

isn't kabbalah promoted by many showbiz puppets like madonna?

isn't the madonna/jesus luz love affair a sublime kabbalistic joke about incest?


Jesus was influenced Judaism.... which you claim was influenced by the Kebala...

you make pointless statement aimed at creating speculation... how do you discover anything at all with that mind set...

lets use this thread for an education right??

let spend the next 2 weeks researching the kebbalah... and putting forward its teachings... so we can then find out why it has (as you have claimed) created theses horrific acts.

Does that not sound sensible?

[runciter]

Your guru Jesus Christ him self was a human sacrifice from God.


he isn't my guru, only a wise guy, and i'm not so sure about his execution.

anyhow, i find it a bit hard to identify the jewish elite, or the romans, with god.

[runciter]

let spend the next 2 weeks researching the kebbalah...


the secret oral tradition? known only to a little minority of jews? lol

they even withdrew toaff's book from circulation, and it was historical research.

[marpat]

isn't masonic "religion" also influenced by kabbalah?

isn't kabbalah promoted by many showbiz puppets like madonna?

isn't the madonna/jesus luz love affair a sublime kabbalistic joke about incest?


I think that kabbalah guy just rips them off and makes a load of money from them. How can you publicly promote a secret tradition? at one time they were into Indian gurus, etc. Fads come and go.

Christian religion is influence by kabbalah. The book of revelations is a kabbalistic book.

[marpat]

the secret oral tradition? known only to a little minority of jews? lol

they even withdrew toaff's book from circulation, and it was historical research.

And this is the extent of your research? tell you what, dont bother looking into it.

[runciter]

And this is the extent of your research? tell you what, dont bother looking into it.

i am connected to the kabbalists via dna, i can read their mind, they can't hide from me :)

[runciter]

Christian religion is influence by kabbalah. The book of revelations is a kabbalistic book.


yes, and the sabbateans are using it like a movie script, because everything must seem inevitable.

[marpat]

yes, and the sabbateans are using it like a movie script, because everything must seem inevitable.

Or it could be that the kabbalistic core is based in truth and can be applied to any religion. The basic framework of it is often used purely because it connects all aspects of occultism, such as astrology, tarot, geomancy etc. in one overall pictogram of the universe.

[thirdwave]

the secret oral tradition? known only to a little minority of jews? lol

they even withdrew toaff's book from circulation, and it was historical research.

if its only known to only a little minority of Jews then how do you know so much about it????

[thirdwave]

i am connected to the kabbalists via dna, i can read their mind, they can't hide from me :)

ahhhhh Now I understand!!

I was getting confused for a second there..



:rolleyes:

[fff_666]

I can't believe this is still going on

[psycoshower]

Thank you, McGiver!!!

You provided very deep esoteric meaning to this picture. I know other interpretations, including "as above, so below", and allegedly pointing to the moon, etc.

But I think the true meaning of this picture is precisely what you said. In other words:

"Left hand path" - goes straight to Hell/union with devil
"Right hand path" - ascention to Heaven/path to Divinity

Satan has to give knowledge to people about things in advance. And here the demi-god Baphomet is "telling" it loud and clear, where the "left-hand path" leads.

(This is not to say that the dogma of "right hand path" is to be taken literally. You cannot follow "mainstream religions" either, because they're full of perversions. You have to use your own skill of decernment, think for yourself, and stay away from "Left hand path")

so satan has to tell ya whats up in advance? wow i thought he was supposed to be a deciever or a liar. now i dont know what to believe thanx to you. maybe i should have a naked consult with my priest and see if i can get to the "bottom" of all this:cool: