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mystery

27-05-2007, 08:31 AM

If we're bashing "The Secret", let's take things up a notch and stir up some controversy... Everyone knows I'm a fan of conspiracy theories, and I truly believe that we are literal slaves to the upper one percent. They are farming us, and we are all sheep. Consumer sheep.

Since mass consciousness really is snowballing at this point... The Age Of Aquarius... people are waking up all over the world now... I quit eating sugar, flour, I even bought SPELT and BUFFALO meat! And I'm eating more and more organic foods... I won't be "vegan" any time soon though, I don't believe in it. Humans have been eating meat for thousands of years, now all of a sudden, OVER NIGHT, we're going to stop and eat nothing but raw food?

Not healthy.

And TOFU?? Don't you think men have been emasculated enough? Now we're going to pump ourselves full of ESTROGEN and grow tits... no thanks..

So anyway, mass consciousness really is evolving quickly right now, and the people who herd us are pissed. So, they do what they can to keep us in line, and "The Secret" is another one of their little tricks.

Don't get me wrong, I LIKE, and use, the law of attraction.

(But, I'm gonna bash "The Secret" right now, and those people who get offended from this blog post, could I ask you to please leave my poor innocent inbox alone? She's a good little inbox, and has been very good to me over the last few years, and she is tired of all the "unsolicited advice" and has had her fill from all the people who have nothing better to do than to send me 6-page emails to set me straight.)

"The Secret" is pure evil.

First, look at the cover: black, with some red... DARK.

It's a dead giveaway ;)

Next, in the opening scenes you see all of these people running around, hiding, killing, etc. and THEN you see the table with all those people sitting around it.

THE ILLUMINATI.

That's right - the people who "farm" us have kept this information from the masses for as long as they could, but... since we're starting to wake up now, they decided to give us "The Secret".

But, there's a catch, a HIDDEN AGENDA (as usual).

If you look deeper, "The Secret" is just another brainwashing routine designed to keep us stuck in our HEADS. Like giving a kid who wants to leave his playpen a new toy to distract him from wanting to get out, they are distracting us from opening the Heart Chakra (leaving the playpen/prison confounds of mind-identification) by giving us a new brain toy.

So now we all have this new brain toy that we can use to become... BETTER CONSUMERS, of course!

Now we are all Grander Sheep... but still goddamn sheep.

Our consciousness comes in through the Chakras, and "The Secret" is designed to keep us all mind-identified. Specifically, they want us to remain stuck in the lower 3 Chakras *forever*, and "The Secret" is mostly a Sacral Chakra (ego, number 2) level of consciousness.

The trick to enlightenment right now, a least, the next step that humanity is just now getting ready for, is Heart Chakra. When this one opens, WATCH OUT... all other Chakras will also blossom.

Those of you who have my Chakra program understand that when you take your consciousness OUT of your mind and move it into the Heart... magic happens. All of a sudden, you know what the fuck you are doing at all times.. you become wise, loving, funny, compassionate, creative, AWESOME with women... "enlightened".

But they don't want that, so "The Secret" is designed to keep you stuck in your brain, forever analyzing, forever over-thinking, forever afraid of your own thoughts, forever frustrated (because every thought will ALWAYS generate an antithesis - if you think "I am smart" another voice will ALWAYS go, "No you're not!"), and forever MIND-IDENTIFIED...

And forever CONSUMING. "The Secret" shows a guy who learns to get laid, and eventually finds a wife (don't even get me STARTED about marriage!), then a guy who makes a million dollars, and a guy who buys his dream house, and so on.

Good Little Consumers living the "american dream" and thinking that STUFF is the way to happiness. So in essense, "The Secret" is designed to keep mass consciousness stuck in the head (mind-identification, ego), which is the source of all problems, AND it's designed to keep us consuming and materialistic.

And WHY do you think they called it "THE SECRET"?

Why was it HIDDEN for so log, and WHO went through all that trouble to hide this info in the first place?

The Illuminati strikes again ;)

-Stephane

i_am

27-05-2007, 09:28 AM

Hi Stephane

Good post :p

What I like is the fact that you are not saying the law of attraction doesn't work as so many others have.

I don't know about evil but I think perhaps it could have given more information to lift people from the lower chakra levels. It tells you that all you have to do is ask for things and you will get it. I am afraid it is not that easy. You cannot wish for something from a fear based emotion and expect it to manifest. If one is coming from love and joy, you are in vibratory sync with the universe, I believe it will come to you. However, opportunities may be presented to us to manifest our desire but we need to recognise the synchronicity. It is not necessarily going to be dumped in our lap ie winning the lottery.

'The Secret' does not go into this so therefore, for the vast majority, it will not work. They will then go on to say what a crock of shit it is and stay stuck in their despairing little worlds.

It concentrates on the material things, thus reenforcing the loser mentality in those for whom it does not work. Oh woe is me. I am never going to get out of this hell hole. If that is where their energy lies then that is what they will get more of.

Wealth may come as a result of a dream you realise but it should not be the main focus. imho, of course. :)

limelady

27-05-2007, 11:17 AM

Evil? Whatever!

In my experience nothing's ever that black or white!

It all depends on what's 'spinning your dial' at the time of watching it.

To put it in matrix terms, the LOA is merely part of the matrix program. If people can learn to manipulate reality to suit themselves, then I'm all for it. The PTB have had it all their own way for far too long.

Power to the people!

:D

viginti tres

27-05-2007, 11:55 AM

thirdwave

27-05-2007, 01:19 PM

teslafire

27-05-2007, 01:21 PM

Rockin post mystery!

Personally, i don't think its evil but i do think its being hyped liked a motherfucker AND to the exclusion of OTHER multiversal laws.

An analogy would be people who look at consumerism and think materialism is evil and go around prostrating themselves for even living in a body. I think it appears that way when all you see on TV is bullshit bling because your soul is saying...well, what about all my other needs like communing with others and unconditional love etc etc. So consumerism isn't what drives people soulless, its the lack of everything else that civilization tries to makeup soley with the material.

What do you think Stephane?

limelady

27-05-2007, 01:23 PM

llogun

27-05-2007, 01:33 PM

If the law of attraction is evil i must be the devil because it as work for me all my life. The only diffrance is i now know how the process works becacuse i watched the secret.

eternal_spirit

27-05-2007, 02:02 PM

QUOTE mystery.
Those of you who have my Chakra program understand that when you take your consciousness OUT of your mind and move it into the Heart... magic happens. All of a sudden, you know what the fuck you are doing at all times.. you become wise, loving, funny, compassionate, creative, AWESOME with women... "enlightened".

Magick or you're imagination??? coincidence, the law of average, chance or random chaos???

Where did the teachings of the Chakras originate? the Hindu Scriptures I suspect. I have become skeptical, can you offer any proof that it's based on fact and not faith(Imagination)

You're comments about Veganism, my answer is this...eating alot of food containing estrogen can be balanced simply with testosterone contained in apples, carrots potatoes. I can assure you I'm not a big girls blouse who sprouted breasts.

I became better at sex when I stopped eating meat. the Hindu teachings about sex and chakras (they didn't eat meat)

Can you give me a simplified explanation(if possible) a method that you believe has worked for you in manifesting??? I'm willing to try it for myself to see if it will work for me.........All the other stuff I've read doesn't make sense to me so far and I've had no results :( Hope you can come up with a method that works.

Anyone else have any methods too??? :D

avatar

27-05-2007, 02:40 PM

If you look deeper, "The Secret" is just another brainwashing routine designed to keep us stuck in our HEADS. Like giving a kid who wants to leave his playpen a new toy to distract him from wanting to get out, they are distracting us from opening the Heart Chakra (leaving the playpen/prison confounds of mind-identification) by giving us a new brain toy.

So now we all have this new brain toy that we can use to become... BETTER CONSUMERS, of course!

Now we are all Grander Sheep... but still goddamn sheep.

Our consciousness comes in through the Chakras, and "The Secret" is designed to keep us all mind-identified. Specifically, they want us to remain stuck in the lower 3 Chakras *forever*, and "The Secret" is mostly a Sacral Chakra (ego, number 2) level of consciousness.

The trick to enlightenment right now, a least, the next step that humanity is just now getting ready for, is Heart Chakra. When this one opens, WATCH OUT... all other Chakras will also blossom.

Great post Stephane.. you even provided one of the solutions and yes magic does happen when you work with the Anahata. The LOA is real and not evil but "The Secret" is twisted and promotes lower chakra energies as you said. C'mon people look a little deeper at the packaged version "The Secret" and genuine LOA teachings. They appear to be the same but are they? Subtle but important differences... why do you think this thing has been pimped to death by Oprah, Larry King, CNN, countless Hollywood stars.

eternal_spirit

27-05-2007, 02:52 PM

Guess I'll be in for a long wait!

truthcommission

28-05-2007, 10:34 AM

But they don't want that, so "The Secret" is designed to keep you stuck in your brain, forever analyzing, forever over-thinking, forever afraid of your own thoughts, forever frustrated (because every thought will ALWAYS generate an antithesis - if you think "I am smart" another voice will ALWAYS go, "No you're not!"), and forever MIND-IDENTIFIED...
You have definitely hit the nail on the head here Stephane.

This is something I have given a lot of thought to and you articulated it so much better than I did.

Is the LOA (aka The Secret) the greatest mind-control scam? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2096)

Its a pity some of the high profile posters and moderators have been sucked in by this commercialized junk and fuzzy thinking.

adramelech

28-05-2007, 12:30 PM

montag

28-05-2007, 12:32 PM

Actually, I have a compilation of information I made for the old forum explaining most of it in detail which I could post.
Please do..:)

adramelech

28-05-2007, 01:00 PM

Magical thinking is a powerful belief because it cannot be disproven, applies circular logic and causal relationships and is self-validating to believers. This is why it plays such an important role in all major manipulated religions, superstitions, spiritual sects and even social and political movments throughout history. Studies have shown that magical thinking exists in most people in varying forms, often expressed as wishful thinking or things like good luck charms. The psychology of this belief is the core of why the Laws of Attraction appear to work for people. Let's discuss the details.

Cognitive Dissonance and Biases

Cognitive dissonance is defined as "the perception of incompatibility between two cognitions, which can be defined as any element of knowledge, including attitude, emotion, belief, or behavior". A cognitive bias is "any of a wide range of observer effects identified in cognitive science and social psychology including very basic statistical, social attribution, and memory errors that are common to all human beings". It is a distortion of reality and perception reflecting strongly in the Observer Effect.

Illusion of Control

"Illusion of control is the tendency for human beings to believe they can control or at least influence outcomes that they demonstrably have no influence over. The predominant paradigm in research on unrealistic perceived control has been Ellen Langer’s (1975) “illusion of control”. Langer showed that people often behave as if chance events are accessible to personal control. In a series of experiments, Langer demonstrated first the prevalence of the illusion of control and second, that people were more likely to behave as if they could exercise control in a chance situation where “skill cues” were present. By skill cues, Langer meant properties of the situation more normally associated with the exercise of skill, in particular the exercise of choice, competition, familiarity with the stimulus and involvement in decisions.

Under some circumstances, experimental subjects have been induced to believe that they could affect the outcome of a purely random coin toss. Subjects who guessed a series of coin tosses more successfully began to believe that they were actually better guessers, and believed that their guessing performance would be less accurate if they were distracted.

Taylor and Brown argue that positive illusions are adaptive, since there is evidence that they are more common in normally mentally healthy individuals than in depressed individuals. However, Pacini, Muir and Epstein (1998) have shown that this may be because depressed people overcompensate for a tendency toward maladaptive intuitive processing by exercising excessive rational control in trivial situations, and note that the difference with non-depressed people disappears in more consequential circumstances.

There is also empirical evidence that high self-efficacy can be maladaptive in some circumstances. In a scenario-based study, Whyte et al. (1997) showed that participants in whom they had induced high self-efficacy were significantly more likely to escalate commitment to a failing course of action. Knee and Zuckerman (1998) have challenged the definition of mental health used by Taylor and Brown and argue that lack of illusions is associated with a non-defensive personality oriented towards growth and learning and with low ego involvement in outcomes. They present evidence that self-determined individuals are less prone to these illusions.

Fenton-O'Creevy et al (2003) argue, as do Gollwittzer and Kinney (1989), that while illusory beliefs about control may promote goal striving, they are not conducive to sound decision-making. Illusions of control may cause insensitivity to feedback, impede learning and predispose toward greater objective risk taking (since subjective risk will be reduced by illusion of control).

One important explanation for illusion of control may lie in self-regulation theory. To the extent that people are driven by internal goals concerned with the exercise of control over their environment, they will seek to reassert control in conditions of chaos, uncertainty or stress. Failing genuine control, one coping strategy will be to fall back on defensive attributions of control—leading to illusions of control."

Positive Thinking Bias (Valence Effect)

"The valence effect of prediction is the tendency for people to simply overestimate the likelihood of good things happening rather than bad things. (Valence refers to the positive or negative emotional charge something has.) This finding has been corroborated by dozens of studies. In one straightforward experiment, all other things being equal, participants assigned a higher probability to picking a card that had a smiling face on its reverse side than one which had a frowning face. In addition, some have reported a valence effect in attribution when we overpredict the likelihood of positive events happening to ourselves relative to others." This is a self-serving bias.

This ties into other biases, such as Positive/Negative Outcome in which people will attribute positive outcomes for themselves and those they care about as due to personal skill, luck or thought and negativity to outside influences, environmental factors, other people or personal failing to "generate" a positive response. For example we can see this in the belief of good luck charms (identical to "good luck thinking"). Someone carries a certain item with them and wins a contest. They will continue to carry this item forever, yet every time they win a contest after that they will attribute it to the item even though they win and lose with the same certainty as before. This is an example of selective memory and reinforces the belief in the item or the process of thinking.

Illusory Correlation (Post Hoc)

"Illusory correlation is the phenomenon of seeing the relationship one expects in a set of data even when no such relationship exists. Chapman and Chapman (1971) studied the effect as it relates to psychodiagnostic signs. Their study showed that although projective testing is not helpful in the diagnosis of mental disorders, some psychologists continue to use such tests because of a perceived, illusory, correlation between test results and certain attributes.

This bias can be caused by, among other things, an event that stands out as unique. For example, "The only time I forget my pencil is when we have a test" This is most likely an illusory correlation (unless the speaker is very, very, unlucky). It could be caused by only a few other pencil-less tests, which stand out particularly well in the memory."

"Post hoc ergo propter hoc is Latin for "after this, therefore because of this." It is often shortened to simply post hoc. Some philosophy books translate the Latin to simply: "If after, then therefore, because."

Post hoc, also known as "coincidental correlation" or "false cause," is a logical fallacy which assumes or asserts that if one event happens after another, then the first must be the cause of the second. It is a particularly tempting error because temporal sequence is integral to causality — it is true that a cause always happens before its effect. The fallacy lies in coming to a conclusion based only on the order of events, which is not an accurate indicator. That is to say, it is not always true that the first event caused the second event.

Post hoc is an example of affirming the consequent. It can be expressed as follows:

When A occurs, B occurs.
Therefore, A causes B.

This line of reasoning is the basis for many superstitious beliefs and magical thinking, connecting two things that have no actual or logical connection. For example, if a person sees a coin on the ground and picks it up, and later receives good news, that person may become convinced that finding the coin resulted in the good news, even though it was a mere coincidence.

Post hoc reasoning is related to the logical fallacy "correlation implies causation (cum hoc ergo propter hoc)."

The number of easily identifiable and documented thought patterns and cognitive biases that relate to magical thinking is simply exhaustive. Cognitive biases can further reinforce these beliefs through selective memory and attribution or statistical errors. Examine the subject on your own. But what makes The Secreters tick? What attracts them to these illogical beliefs and why do they continue to believe in them?

The Cult Mentality

"Initially using conventional marketing techniques, cults promote their particular belief systems. The trick is that through influencing a person's beliefs, it is possible to influence or indirectly control a person's mind. The actual controlling of mind is done by the person themselves, as they attempt to train and discipline their mind in accordance with the tenets of their new belief system. It is the belief system itself which is the primary active agent in cult mind control.

Cult belief systems differ from conventional belief systems in a number of subtle but significant ways, which may not be apparent to an outsider. To understand the nature of these differences is to understand the nature of a cult.

Cult belief systems are typically:

Independent and non-accountable - believers follow their own self-justifying moral codes: e.g. a Moonie may, in their own mind, justify deceptive recruiting as 'deceiving evil into goodness'.

Aspirational - they appeal to ambitious, idealistic people. The assumption that only weak, gullible people join cults is not necessarily true.

Personal and experiential - it is not possible to exercise informed free choice in advance, about whether the belief system is valid or not, or about the benefits of following the study and training opportunities offered by the group. The benefits, if any, of group involvement can only be evaluated after a suitable period of time spent with the group. How long a suitable period of time might be, depends on the individual, and cannot be determined in advance.

Hierarchical and dualistic - cult belief systems revolve around ideas about higher and lower levels of understanding. There is a hierarchy of awareness, and a path from lower to higher levels. Believers tend to divide the world into the saved and the fallen, the awakened and the deluded, etc.

Bi-polar - believers experience alternating episodes of faith and doubt, confidence and anxiety, self-righteousness and guilt, depending how well or how badly they feel they are progressing along the path.

Addictive - believers may become intoxicated with the ideals of the belief system, and feel a vicarious pride in being associated with these ideals. Cults tend to be cliquey and elitist, and believers can become dependent on the approval of the group's elite to maintain their own self-esteem. At an extreme, believers fear they will fall into hell if they leave the group.

Non-falsifiable - a cult belief system can never be shown to be invalid or wrong. This is partly why critics have low credibility, and why it can be difficult to warn people of the dangers of a cult.

Self Delusion

Some cults promote an overtly religious type of belief system. Others, such as so-called therapy cults, promote a secular type of belief system, based on quasi-scientific or quasi-psychological principles. Some so-called New Age cults combine religious and secular elements in their belief system. In general, cult organisations promote utopian ideals of self awareness or self-transcendence, ostensibly for the benefit both of the individual and of the world at large.

Of course, not every organisation which promotes this kind of ideal is necessarily a cult. However, it can be quite difficult to tell from the outside whether a group is a cult or not. In general, as long as a cult maintains a respectable public image, it will attract followers who aspire to this kind of ideal.

Cult belief systems present a vision in which any individual, through following the group's teachings, can begin to realise their own higher potential. Believers begin to aspire to a 'new life' or a 'new self', based on these ideals. At the same time as they begin to aspire to this improved new self, believers begin to see their old self, their pre-cult personality, as having fallen short of the ideal. An old self - new self dichotomy can grow up within a cult member's mind, as they gradually eschew beliefs and behaviour associated with their old self, and adopt attitudes and affiliations that seem appropriate for their new self. They may even come to see their unreformed old self as the enemy of their emerging new self.

A cult does not control its members by using external coercion. It is the belief system itself which is the primary active agent in cult mind control. The controlling of mind is done by the person themselves, as they attempt to discipline their mind and reform their personality, in accordance with the tenets of their new belief system. Effectively, a cult uses a person's own energy and aspirations against them.

This analysis proposes the term 'Bi-polar mind control' to denote a generic class of 'devious psychological techniques' used by cult organisations to gain and control adherents. Essentially, bi-polar mind control works by encouraging an aspirant to identify with an imagined ideal new self, and then, from the perspective of this new self, to see their old self as comparatively inferior and flawed. It is ego-utopia or hubris for the new self, and ego-dystonia or shame for the old self."

limelady

28-05-2007, 01:19 PM

You have definitely hit the nail on the head here Stephane.

This is something I have given a lot of thought to and you articulated it so much better than I did.

Is the LOA (aka The Secret) the greatest mind-control scam? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2096)

Its a pity some of the high profile posters and moderators have been sucked in by this commercialized junk and fuzzy thinking.

Hi TC

I cannot speak for other moderators, but I can tell you its been a LONG time since I've been "sucked in by commercialized junk and fuzzy thinking". Sure there are those swooning quice sickeningly all over The Secret movie.....but here's the biggest secret of all.....THERE IS NO SECRET! The LOA is not a secret....never has been, we just couldn't see the woods for the trees through all the smoke and mirrors provided to distract us from knowing our own potential.

The LOA is simply just one of the 'laws' that operate within the confines of the matrix we all live in. The manipulators have been cleverly using it against us since Adam was a cowboy. So what if people are beginning to wake up to these laws and are going a little silly with excitement over them? So what if people are having a bit of a play round with some of the equipment now they've finally discovered it been here all along?

It was bound to happen sooner or later....and people are bound to use it for manifesting material things they believe will make them happier....but so what? Its part of the awakening process, and the next stage will likely be realising that material stuff can never make you happy or take the place of waking up to who you really are. Its just a phase.....it will pass. ;)

Personally I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I have to admit that at first I got a bit of a buzz at seeing somebody had finally done a movie about it, as I thought it would be a great learning tool to pass on to others....a start for many. But I've been using the LOA for most of my life without even realising it WAS a law, and it is now just a natural part of everything I do... like breathing. Its just something I became conscious of.

Besides, if you're really honest with yourself, haven't you always known deep down inside that you were capable of manifesting? Doesn't it feel familiar to you in some way? It should - its part of who you are. If you understand the concept of the LOA, then looking back over your own life, can't you see where you have already done your own share of manifesting (both good and bad stuff) without even realising it?

If you're really honest I bet you can because you know as well as I do (dig deep) that manifesting is real and its definitely NOT new...........and I can tell you with some certainty that NOBODY controls my mind....in fact, let them try! ;)

eternal_spirit

28-05-2007, 01:26 PM

Well put adramelech

tru3

28-05-2007, 01:27 PM

Depends if you want to take the masses hands and tell them what they will and wont understand.... (not directed at anyone here...just in genral)

the LOA is simple to explain ...if you believe... it will happen.... pure and simple...

the secret is not deceptive... its just make people lots of money..... so what!
good for them....

if "the secret" misguides anyone, the chances are they would not grasp it on any level....

the DVD was made so people would go crazy about it... and spread the world... and it worked... but there is not one bit of false info on the DVD

its just presenting the LOA and what it is and then having a bunch of people who claim to have used to explain how they did so.... yeah they all want to make money, but when does making money mean that something is not real?

'the secret' is like an instruction manual with half the steps redacted, imv.

http://backspace.com/notes/images/ufpj_2006-09-19_1.png

i heard an ad on the radio for "oprah and friends" where they had a clip of oprah talking about how she 'uses' the secret. i almost threw up.

i do believe in the loa, but this is one time i just wanted to say, "just shut up and accept your good fortune". :rolleyes:

oneofmany

28-05-2007, 01:36 PM

oneofmany

28-05-2007, 01:38 PM

Hi TC

I cannot speak for other moderators, but I can tell you its been a LONG time since I've been "sucked in by commercialized junk and fuzzy thinking". Sure there are those swooning quice sickeningly all over The Secret movie.....but here's the biggest secret of all.....THERE IS NO SECRET! The LOA is not a secret....never has been, we just couldn't see the woods for the trees through all the smoke and mirrors provided to distract us from knowing our own potential.

The LOA is simply just one of the 'laws' that operate within the confines of the matrix we all live in. The manipulators have been cleverly using it against us since Adam was a cowboy. So what if people are beginning to wake up to these laws and are going a little silly with excitement over them? So what if people are having a bit of a play round with some of the equipment now they've finally discovered it been here all along?

It was bound to happen sooner or later....and people are bound to use it for manifesting material things they believe will make them happier....but so what? Its part of the awakening process, and the next stage will likely be realising that material stuff can never make you happy or take the place of waking up to who you really are. Its just a phase.....it will pass. ;)

Personally I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I have to admit that at first I got a bit of a buzz at seeing somebody had finally done a movie about it, as I thought it would be a great learning tool to pass on to others....a start for many. But I've been using the LOA for most of my life without even realising it WAS a law, and it is now just a natural part of everything I do... like breathing. Its just something I became conscious of.

Besides, if you're really honest with yourself, haven't you always known deep down inside that you were capable of manifesting? Doesn't it feel familiar to you in some way? It should - its part of who you are. If you understand the concept of the LOA, then looking back over your own life, can't you see where you have already done your own share of manifesting (both good and bad stuff) without even realising it?

If you're really honest I bet you can because you know as well as I do (dig deep) that manifesting is real and its definitely NOT new...........and I can tell you with some certainty that NOBODY controls my mind....in fact, let them try! ;)Materialistic thinking if ever I've heard it.

limelady

28-05-2007, 01:54 PM

Materialistic thinking if ever I've heard it.

Hmmmm, O.K. Whatever spins ya dial :D

oneofmany

28-05-2007, 01:58 PM

Hmmmm, O.K. Whatever spins ya dial :DI wouldn't expect you to answer me with any other answer!

truthcommission

28-05-2007, 02:08 PM

...but here's the biggest secret of all.....THERE IS NO SECRET! The LOA is not a secret....never has been.
I am glad you have come to this conclusion...AFTER prompting.

You know Lime if both of us agree one of us is UNNECESSARY.

The LOA is simply just one of the 'laws' that operate within the confines of the matrix we all live in.
In a simplistic sense. This kind of superficial thinking typifies the mass of humanity.

people are bound to use it for manifesting material things they believe will make them happier...
Don't blow smoke up my ass and tell me this is true. Where is the evidence of all these people that have claimed that the LOA has had a CONSISTENT effect in their lives? I have searched high and low and all I turn up is wishy washy crap by bored housewives who watch Oprah and flakes who have a completely mixed up and contradictory belief system.

Personally I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I have to admit that at first I got a bit of a buzz at seeing somebody had finally done a movie about it...
Until you realize that Rhonda Byrne is a rip -off merchant. None of her ideas are actually original. She is a plagiarist and I knew that even before she was exposed on a Current Affair.

Besides, if you're really honest with yourself, haven't you always known deep down inside that you were capable of manifesting?
I have always understood this universal principle in its raw sense not as something that is used to satiate material desires.

i_am

28-05-2007, 02:10 PM

'the secret' is like an instruction manual with half the steps redacted, imv.

That is exactly right, imv too :p

When I first heard it was on and I heard of loads of people talkiing about it, I got really excited that this was being brought to the masses. After I had watched it I was still excited about it 'getting out there'. Then I heard it being discussed on the radio and I realised that, while the information was good, there were important parts missing.

Something was said by someone about control. Yes you can create your reality but you need to put it out there and let it go. Stop trying to control. Stop thinking and start feeling.

It is really difficult trying to explain this on a forum. It is easier when sitting talking to someone :p

You can't intellectualise the universal laws. They defy everything that we have ever been taught. You have either experienced them or you haven't. Actually we have all experienced the Law of Attraction but we don't always recognise this fact.

Where we put our energy, that is what we attract. I spent years asking why doesn't this work. Then one day I realised it had been working all my life, although not always in good ways. I realised how it works and have never looked back. No! I am not rich but that is not really my desire. Life is no longer a struggle and I have had two overseas trips in the past year. Yes, I work but I do something I enjoy and get paid for it.

eternal_spirit

28-05-2007, 02:11 PM

truthcommission

28-05-2007, 02:21 PM

You can't intellectualise the universal laws. They defy everything that we have ever been taught...
I like this.

limelady

28-05-2007, 03:09 PM

Hi again TC, thanks for your response to my post.

I have always understood this universal principle in its raw sense not as something that is used to satiate material desires.

I agree with you. This is how I understand it also, and this is how I use it.

I can only think of a couple of occasions recently where I consciously used the LOA to attract a material desire, and on each occasion it was to help others in need. But if manifesting material possessions shows people the LOA is real, then I don't judge them for that...they have after all already been sold the great lie, and its going to take a great deal more than watching The Secret to change their core beliefs about everything.

For the most part I use the LOA to attract experiences, reading material, movies, books tapes, DVD's and the people into my life who I can learn from. Owning material possessions means very little to me nowadays, and I have no attachment to them whatsoever They are just things. Its people and experiences that count in my life.

As an example of how I have used the LOA in my own life..... for years I consciously attracted sick people into my life ....the ones the doctors had given up on or folks who were not responding to mainstream medicine. And they came in droves.....they still come now, even though I have slowed back. I love helping people get well. I have literally spent years of my life researching for people in pain, writing out information for them or discussing with them ways they can change their daily habits, their hormones, their diet etc in order to get well. I also do hands on and distance 'quantum' healing when people have asked. Despite having paid for qualifications, I have always given of my time willingly, freely and lovengly because I care about people more than money. I've never charged anybody a cent EVER, and never would....in fact I used to import hundreds of dollars of supplements and other state of the art healthcare products you couldn't get in New Zealand or Australia, and I would give them away to people who needed them and couldn't afford even basic vitamins.

I could have spent this money on pretty things for my home, or fancy clothes or holidays, but these things are of little interest to me. Yet another poster who doesn't even know me has accused me of having a materialistic attitude towards the LOA.

Well people are welcome to their opinions.

eternal_spirit

28-05-2007, 03:42 PM

Hi again TC, thanks for your response to my post.

I agree with you. This is how I understand it also, and this is how I use it.

I can only think of a couple of occasions recently where I consciously used the LOA to attract a material desire, and on each occasion it was to help others in need. But if manifesting material possessions shows people the LOA is real, then I don't judge them for that...they have after all already been sold the great lie, and its going to take a great deal more than watching The Secret to change their core beliefs about everything.

For the most part I use the LOA to attract experiences, reading material, movies, books tapes, DVD's and the people into my life who I can learn from. Owning material possessions means very little to me nowadays, and I have no attachment to them whatsoever They are just things. Its people and experiences that count in my life.

As an example of how I have used the LOA in my own life..... for years I consciously attracted sick people into my life ....the ones the doctors had given up on or folks who were not responding to mainstream medicine. And they came in droves.....they still come now, even though I have slowed back. I love helping people get well. I have literally spent years of my life researching for people in pain, writing out information for them or discussing with them ways they can change their daily habits, their hormones, their diet etc in order to get well. I also do hands on and distance 'quantum' healing when people have asked. Despite having paid for qualifications, I have always given of my time willingly, freely and lovengly because I care about people more than money. I've never charged anybody a cent EVER, and never would....in fact I used to import hundreds of dollars of supplements and other state of the art healthcare products you couldn't get in New Zealand or Australia, and I would give them away to people who needed them and couldn't afford even basic vitamins.

I could have spent this money on pretty things for my home, or fancy clothes or holidays, but these things are of little interest to me. Yet another poster who doesn't even know me has accused me of having a materialistic attitude towards the LOA.

Well people are welcome to their opinions.

That's giving lot's of love Lime good on you :D Making a difference helping others. Not materialistic gains for yourself. Guess you feel some sort of reward seeing others happier and healthier for you're work.

limelady

28-05-2007, 03:55 PM

That's giving lot's of love Lime good on you :D Making a difference helping others. Not materialistic gains for yourself. Guess you feel some sort of reward seeing others happier and healthier for you're work.

Thats sweet, thanks eternal. :) Yes I guess you're right. The rewards come later when you see people healthy and happy again. But there are a lot of people who don't want to be helped, despite coming and asking for it. A lot of times its saddened me that despite my best effort, people would go away and change nothing about themselves, and they'd therefore just get sicker. It occured to me that some people hold onto their illnesses, and wear them like a jacket....its as though being sick in some way serves them.

I guess this brings us back to the LOA. If on some level one dwells on being ill, then this is what they'll likely attract. On a conscious level they'd probably prefer to be well, but on a subconsious level illness is what they are giving their energy to, not wellness.

johnpeters

28-05-2007, 05:45 PM

The Secret does one thing that most people miss. Spiritually and physically the Reptillians need us to feel and act inferior. This gives them control over us. On a spiritual level this means they can harvest our energy (see The Stars Are Falling) (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=36)

On every level we must be kept down for their hold over us to remain in place. The Secret adds to this by informing us that we're "missing something". More importantly if we accept we're inferior and hold a goal in our head we "act inferior". If The Secret was for our benefit it would be reinforcing the fact that we're "infinite consciousness" and "infinite possibility" and are not lacking. The serpent is a cunning creature and is attacking us from all sides. We have to wake up to it and break his spiritual hold over us.

king

28-05-2007, 08:18 PM

Although I don't like you. I would have to agree with this assessment. Since when is materialistic possessions, the route to enlightenment? I believe we can harness our combined mindpower to create Nirvana, but the LOA is not the answer, as everything I loathe about society, resides in these laws. Money=unenlightenment and ruin as far as I am concerned, And I would prefer to be poor and happy, then rich and miserable, as I once was.

and... that is the key to understanding this -- LOA is just derailment from the tracks that lead to true enlightenment.

for god's sake -- you can buy "secret" anywhere now days, even in major discount warehouses like Costco
and the fact that "secret" went mainstream promoted by Oprah and other NWO illumi hacks, and that Secret/LOA DVD is full of New Age crap that is just rehashed old crap should be another clue as well.

rest assured, LOA and real secrets are not to be found without, just because of goodness of the heart of some New Age (illuminati) gurus; the real secret were always to be found within -- that is where the true power is.

once you make connection with that universal power then you won't need money/power/wealth because you would have tapped into the true wealth,
the power of god/universe/true love -- whatever you want to call it.

by understanding this you can not only help your self, your family and your friends but you are also helping humanity because you are exchanging the true power with all of them, and including exchange of the power with the universe.
in essence, you are creating free flow of energy that benefits all around you,
including your self.

so what else would you need?

why would you need Illuminati created and controlled money when you know that whole money system is pure B.S., when you know that money = control?

why would you even think of measuring the true wealth in Illuminati created money?

king

28-05-2007, 08:24 PM

I'd rather be rich and happy, then I could believe the illusion of the practicing the secret made me rich :D ....My bank account> ( )

I think people with alot of money and also, ones who have good luck by chance, coincidence believe the secret works.

"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."

johnpeters

28-05-2007, 08:36 PM

"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to."
The meek shall inherit the earth. Meek = humble. The rich fame seekers don't have a chance unless they wake up!

teslafire

28-05-2007, 08:38 PM

Why would anyone WANT to inherit this place?

zircon

28-05-2007, 08:55 PM

Yes, I also feel that "The Secret" is an attempt by the Evil Mind to entrap the careless and those who have not listened to their heart, or who are lost and entangled in the webs of deceit, to increase that hold. Positive thinking can of course be a good thing, but not when sold to us in this form! It's obvious that it conceals something else. Do your experiences use and control you, or do you use and control your experiences? This is the bottom line. If anything or anyone controls you in any way, shape, or form, you are a prime candidate for mass and/or individual mind-control. When you are in control of your own self, no one and no thing can control you. This then is a way of taking control away from our selves and fixing even more into the ego. Ego-worship is in ecstacy in "The Secret", which leads to right-hemisphere control by those forces.
Operating from outside of your centre allows others to define you according to their terms. They can mould and bend you like clay to create the person that they need for their own purposes. You are so busy moulding and bending that you do not have time to recognize what is happening to you.

Only when you stand firm in your centre, in control of absolutely every aspect of your life, are all the holes of your mind-pattern completely sealed shut. When this happens, no one or no thing can control you. But even when the door is closed to outsiders, remember that they will still come knocking. It is up to you to ensure that they do not enter.

seanx

28-05-2007, 09:00 PM

Extraordinary the number of people on this forum who hate money.

And think it is 'bad', 'wrong' or materialistic'.

What crap.

It is ONLY ENERGY.

ENERGY

You can have as much or as little of it as you want.

Just energy.

As for the 'Secret' book. I agree it is, essentially a money-making
marketing con.

Reading it it promises you everything......and all you have to
do is change your thoughts...and the sun and the moon will be
yours.

However don't confuse the the law of conscious creation with
this book.

If you REALLY want to find out about this law, read Dave icke's
Tales of the time loop, Gregg Braden 'The Divine Matrix' or
BRUCE lipton's, 'The Biology of beliefs - this will give
you a truer insight into the true nature of the law.

And for God's sake, let us all change our beliefs about money.

It is GOOD, liberating energy.

Don't let the Elite keep us struck forever into a life of depressed
lack and scarcity anymore.

They know if we are struggling just to exist ..we'll have no time to
watch what they are up to.

And so they 'tell' us... money is bad and wrong ...and that it is
very hard to get ....and if you do get it ...you're bad, evil and selfish
....so be a good boy now ...and stay struggling...that's where
we want you.

It's a lie ....that we all need to wake up to ....and we need to start to
enjoy money...and see it for what it is....just eternal energy in this
temporary form.

it's great.

zircon

28-05-2007, 09:10 PM

Not all energy is neutral, and, as i mentioned, it's a question of whether we control our energy or are controlled by others. Money has been used as a way to control us. All symbolic metals have this potential, and if we succomb to it we lose our own control. Jesus words "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God's what is God's" point this out. The coin belongs to Caesar. It is not ours.
However, i agree with your general point that if we control the energy for good, then good will come of it. Same with money; except that overall control of the system is so far from the users.

seanx

28-05-2007, 09:19 PM

Money has been used as a way to control us

I agree with you, zircon - but the problem is not money per se - but
all the false beliefs about money that we have been 'implanted' with
and that are passed from generation to generation.

So poverty in a way can be passed on in our genes - but despite
the idea that is propagated by 'official' science, we can change
the imprints of our genes - and change the future for our
chiidren.

They can inherit more positive and loving beliefs about money
and know how good and liberating it is.

Again, Bruce lipton explains this well in 'The Biology of belief'

zircon

28-05-2007, 09:29 PM

Sure, i understand your point, and we should want the best for the future of all our children.... Maybe the wealth of all that is possible for us is diminished by the money control system though, keeping us chasing and chasing, enslaving us.... Like you I'd like a means of exchange that liberates and empowers us to achieve what is good and beneficial to all, according to our true preferences, both material and spiritual.... Perhaps this can be helped by us in all our small ways, but I feel the major change needs to come on an ethical level across all the world.

adramelech

28-05-2007, 09:36 PM

While money is most certainly simply energy like everything else, arguing that money is "liberating" or that the elite have manipulated our perception of it is a bit absurd. Money has not "been used" to control, it was invented solely as a tool of control. Money does not exist, nor does money need to exist, outside of being fabricated by the elite in a Control Pyramid system.

Perhaps a monetary system based on tangible goods and services and not completely fraudulent and worthless would be fine. Unnecessary, but essentially neutral. Either way would not be "liberating" - depending on a worthless piece of paper backed by nothing and printed by a government press to get you food is not "liberating".

At best, money allows you to live comfortably within the confines of the rules the elite have created. There are many ways to live comfortably inside the pen - most people here want to leave.

seanx

28-05-2007, 10:16 PM

Money has not "been used" to control, it was invented solely as a tool of control

Money does not control us.

It's our (inherited) beliefs about money that control us. Again, it's only
energy - or in business a way of keeping score.

The truth is you can have as much of it as you want ( or if you prefer -
as little).

Yes, the Elite control us using money.

Becuase they have conned us into believing that it is something
hard to get - or if we do get it - we are bad, selfish people for getting it.

When you have as much money as you want - then they have no power
over you.

But for most of us our beliefs are too far ingrained to let us realize this -
but it can be done.

Money as energy is good.

zircon

28-05-2007, 10:21 PM

Hmm maybe.. I don't think I see it in such a dialectical way. Money as far as i have understood it was originally an alternative means of exchange and simply guaranteed by powerful rulers, elites and sometimes communal decisions, instead of barter. Powerful banks connected to an elite came later. The introduction of money based on non-existent credit changed this and introduced a far more powerful banking system, that has allowed greater and faster material progress and an apparent "liberation". This of course was entirely in line with the objectives of the masonic illuminati that from the C17 on were planning just this. To say that we can do away with it entirely is another thing. It needs to be made more neutral, disassociated from personal ego-drives or from state or central control; this debate has been at the base of all political discussion for over 100 years and brought about several political revolutions without resolving anything, so as far as I can see only a rise of ethical thinking (yes, thinking outside the pen as you say) can achieve the sort of changes we might need.

earthseed

28-05-2007, 10:25 PM

I don't like the Secret it has always turned me off. And the fact that it is so popular and so may celebs love it really should show us that it is just another mind control program. But, hey mind control does have to have a little truth to it to get willing victims.

lemonique

29-05-2007, 12:17 AM

I agree with you. And just look at the celebs.....who would want to be them?? Plenty of money means more drugs/ booze/ Scientology/...and as far as I can make out (I don't follow celebs) most of then look stressed to the max, and just downright miserable.
Concentrating on aquiring 'things' is staying in the lower chakras, the aim is to 'rise above' that to the Heart Chakra. Once we all start living from the Heart Chakra the need for 'things' dissipates. But of course the 'matrix' doesn't want us to do this....they want us to be chomping at the bit for a new 'something'. House, car. trip, TV. washing machine, you name it, and you'll be correct.
It's difficult getting into the mindset (for some people) of doing without 'stuff'. But it's probably a good thing to start seriously thinking about it, right now.
Money is OK if it's used for what it was intended...exchange of essential goods like food etc. It's the love of money that's spread the evil far and wide, to the extent that it's become 'normal' to hail and bow to the wealthy and ignore and berate the poor. Evil.