Are you suffering from the idea of yourself?

[middleway00]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GNCoNg1Anw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GNCoNg1Anw

Are you really?

[beldazar]

Im not too sure I understood whats going on there but it seems a bit new- agey for me. When he uses the analogy of the guy jumping out, doesnt he mean that after a while you become desensitised?

Its like all the murder and wars going on, Im not affected directly, its happening to other people. For me to say, "well, its not affecting me so why should I bother?" just doesnt seem right!
As I have said many times, my life is sweet (could be sweeter perhaps but society gets in the way...) but I am not going to ignore the horrors happening to other people

[middleway00]

in other words...

you are suffering from the idea you have of yourself...

it's alright in the end.

[beldazar]

lets just all switch off then, sod everyone else! Nope, still dont get it :confused:

[deany]

I don't quite get it either, what exactly do you mean?

your higher self? the realisation that we are potentially much more powerful than we initially perceieved ourselves to be?

explain what u mean more clearly sir ;-)

[Mo0n5tar]

Yes sometimes, it's very commonplace, i believe it is manifested on a widescale through clinical depression.

[netta]

I think he is trying to say that your suffering results from how you think about it. Sometimes you are only having a bad time because you are viewing it that way. He is also saying that if you want a problem to stop, then you need to look in to it rather then just letting it continue. You can't just expect the problem to go away by itself.

[zero1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GNCoNg1Anw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GNCoNg1Anw

Are you really?

That Mooj guy seems alright, very Buddhist kinda outlook. Think he's one of these gurus who'll tell you what you want to hear even though you'd rather hear something else once you've heard it. But good vid, nonetheles.

I don't know how to answer the OP Poll though. I mean, "forget self and carry your Cross" can lead to just as much suffering as psychotic self-involvement. I don't know, one guru says "tomato" and another says "tom-ato"...

EDIT: I voted "no"...:p

[moondancer]

I truly believe we can manifest our own destiny..

Although I believe it and try and live by it..(and do get results) I still have some work to do :)

Someone once told me.. disease = dis ease of the soul

(and if ive totally misread this thread and now making no sense at all - soz :D)

[itsallundercontrol]

I have not watched the video yet but my natural response when i saw the question was yes definitly

[xpleet]

Yes middleway,

I suffer from self-idea a lot.


* uh lulz this is a poll

[steevo]

If someone is in the house jumping out at you and going "Boo!", then it sort of makes you jump. If the person keeps persisting with the fear tactics, then in the end you stop being frightened by the "boo!", and instead it just becomes annoying.

Apart from that, I dont know what the poll is meant to mean :confused:

All I know is that we have to conquer our fears in order to do what we feel in our soul is the right thing to do. And this will result in never ignoring the suffering of our fellow man.

[peachped]

What a load of codswallop.

[middleway00]

Who does anything? When there is breathing, are we doing it? When we think, do we choose what thoughts arise? The self is only an idea that comes after that action. Walking happens, then we may say, I walked. Ultimately, this I is only a thought. If we identify with the I, we suffer the uncertainty of life. If we truely look at this I, we realize that it isn't who we are.

Who do you think you are?

Here is a follow up from the first video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCaXeKVf9EM

[montag]

I don't quite get it either, what exactly do you mean?

your higher self? the realisation that we are potentially much more powerful than we initially perceieved ourselves to be?

explain what u mean more clearly sir ;-)
You are not your personality, your problems, life story, but instead the witness observing. Like watching a movie and you become too involved with one of the characters and begin to feel what they are feeling, but it is illusion, you are not the character in the movie nor your personality(ego), this is what he means.

[middleway00]

You are not your personality, your problems, life story, but instead the witness observing. Like watching a movie and you become too involved with one of the characters and begin to feel what they are feeling, but it is illusion, you are not the character in the movie nor your personality(ego), this is what he means.

Truth shattering earth.

[montag]

What a load of codswallop.

I'm seriously not into 'guru' figures that present themselves as being somehow superior to their 'pupils' or 'followers', but Ramana wasn't like that. When asked about the difference between a 'master' and a pupil he replied: 'Their point of view'. And that's all it is - their point of observation or self identity.

I was fascinated to read this man's words in the 1930s and see how remarkably close they are to what I have written in my books all these years later. He talked about changing your point of view, I say point of observation, but both have exactly same meaning. One of his key messages was not to identity the self with the body, something I've been banging on about for years.

In fact, these are themes that are repeated throughout history by those who have sought understanding beyond the 'norms' and it shows that the knowledge is there for everyone. We just have to tap into it - something that 'modern society' is designed to stop us doing. - David Icke

[middleway00]

I'm seriously not into 'guru' figures that present themselves as being somehow superior to their 'pupils' or 'followers', but Ramana wasn't like that. When asked about the difference between a 'master' and a pupil he replied: 'Their point of view'. And that's all it is - their point of observation or self identity.

I was fascinated to read this man's words in the 1930s and see how remarkably close they are to what I have written in my books all these years later. He talked about changing your point of view, I say point of observation, but both have exactly same meaning. One of his key messages was not to identity the self with the body, something I've been banging on about for years.

In fact, these are themes that are repeated throughout history by those who have sought understanding beyond the 'norms' and it shows that the knowledge is there for everyone. We just have to tap into it - something that 'modern society' is designed to stop us doing. - David Icke

Mooji and Papaji are of the same tree that ramana is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDFXYCvTguE

[peachped]

You are not your personality, your problems, life story, but instead the witness observing. Like watching a movie and you become too involved with one of the characters and begin to feel what they are feeling, but it is illusion, you are not the character in the movie nor your personality(ego), this is what he means.

You put it across much better than the 'guru' in the video. :)
So am I suffering from the idea of myself? means ;are you unaware of this state of being?

In that case - no, I don't think I am.

I'm seriously not into 'guru' figures that present themselves as being somehow superior to their 'pupils' or 'followers', but Ramana wasn't like that. When asked about the difference between a 'master' and a pupil he replied: 'Their point of view'. And that's all it is - their point of observation or self identity.

I was fascinated to read this man's words in the 1930s and see how remarkably close they are to what I have written in my books all these years later. He talked about changing your point of view, I say point of observation, but both have exactly same meaning. One of his key messages was not to identity the self with the body, something I've been banging on about for years.

In fact, these are themes that are repeated throughout history by those who have sought understanding beyond the 'norms' and it shows that the knowledge is there for everyone. We just have to tap into it - something that 'modern society' is designed to stop us doing. - David Icke

I'm seriously not into 'guru' figures that present themselves as being somehow superior to their 'pupils' or 'followers'

That's how the video came across to me.

[middleway00]

That's how the video came across to me.

To Who?

[montag]

I'm seriously not into 'guru' figures that present themselves as being somehow superior to their 'pupils' or 'followers'

That's how the video came across to me.
I know what you mean, sometimes the best teachers are the ones who teach without even realizing it.

[peachped]

To Who?

Me :)

I apologise to you middleway for being a bit belligerent there, It isn't a load of cods I just didn't understand the fellow in the video.

I know what you mean, sometimes the best teachers are the ones who teach without even realizing it.

Thanks for helping to clarify there montag.

Quite a thought provoking thread.

[middleway00]

Me :)

I apologise to you middleway for being a bit belligerent there, It isn't a load of cods I just didn't understand the fellow in the video.



Thanks for helping to clarify there montag.

Quite a thought provoking thread.

You're free to misunderstand. After all, there's nothing to get. We're already loaded.

BLING!:D

[beldazar]

You're free to misunderstand. After all, there's nothing to get. We're already loaded.

BLING!:D


I like that! :D

[peachped]

You're free to misunderstand. After all, there's nothing to get. We're already loaded.

BLING!:D

Innit.