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steevo
10-11-2008, 12:41 AM
I have often wondered what the phrase "the holy ghost" means.

Tonight, I came to the conclusion that the holy ghost (aka holy spirit) as described in the bible, is actually referring to THE TRUE SELF, the soul.
The word "ghost" can mean "The center of spiritual life; the soul.".

The bible says that we were made in God's image.
The way I see it is that the soul is an EXACT COPY of god. And the soul is what/who we truly are.

"ghost imaging" in the context of computers :-

Ghost imaging, using ghosting software, is a method of converting the contents of a hard drive -- including its configuration settings and applications -- into an image, and then storing the image on a server or burning it onto a CD.

When contents of the hard drive are needed again, ghosting software converts the image back to original form.

steevo
10-11-2008, 12:43 AM
Also I forgot to mention, that we are told that "god is love", so if we were made in his image (religiously speaking) then we are love too. God is love and love is god.

zero1
10-11-2008, 12:47 AM
I have often wondered what the phrase "the holy ghost" means.

Tonight, I came to the conclusion that the holy ghost (aka holy spirit) as described in the bible, is actually referring to THE TRUE SELF, the soul.
The word "ghost" can mean "The center of spiritual life; the soul.".

The bible says that we were made in God's image.
The way I see it is that the soul is an EXACT COPY of god. And the soul is what/who we truly are.

"ghost imaging" in the context of computers :-

Also I forgot to mention, that we are told that "god is love", so if we were made in his image (religiously speaking) then we are love too. God is love and love is god.

Both good posts, Steevo.

"The Ghost in the Machine" serves well as a metaphor of the spirit-soul in the body, as driver in a vehicle - very old idea, Indian mystics love that one.

SO I take if from this thematic exploration that you no longer feel depressed or like "meat on a stick"..? :);)

steevo
10-11-2008, 01:20 AM
Both good posts, Steevo.

"The Ghost in the Machine" serves well as a metaphor of the spirit-soul in the body, as driver in a vehicle - very old idea, Indian mystics love that one.

SO I take if from this thematic exploration that you no longer feel depressed or like "meat on a stick"..? :);)

Thanks Zero :)
I have been having a spiritual day with my other half today/tonight and discussing various topics along those lines. It's uplifting talking about it, and it is Sun-day afterall, so Ra will be very happy :D

I havent read Ghost in the Machine but yeah that sounds like it's a similar concept.

humito
10-11-2008, 02:07 AM
in my opinion the holy ghost is the christian representation of the eastern chi or ki or ambrosia ...........the spiritual life force......prana.......spiritual sustinace without which nothing can live.........when i was a kid i thought it was something that was said at funerals........getting it mixed up i thought they said on the name of the father the son and 'in the hole he goes' lol

nimlyn
10-11-2008, 04:27 AM
I have often wondered what the phrase "the holy ghost" means.

Tonight, I came to the conclusion that the holy ghost (aka holy spirit) as described in the bible, is actually referring to THE TRUE SELF, the soul.
The word "ghost" can mean "The center of spiritual life; the soul.".

The bible says that we were made in God's image.
The way I see it is that the soul is an EXACT COPY of god. And the soul is what/who we truly are.

"ghost imaging" in the context of computers :-

So strange because I was thinking the same thing the other night when I was flicking over TV channels and I came across the movie “Four Weddings and a Funeral”…It was the scene with the vicar (Rowan Atkinson) who fluffed his lines during a wedding ceremony…Anyways! When listening to the, The Father, The son and the Holy Ghost / Holy Spirit remarks I was struck with the thought that maybe the Holy Spirit is actually all of us in spirit as a whole…The collective.

Re/ the image of God…If seen as light then the light from the light has to be…Well light doesn’t it?

Wow! Now I know why some folk call me sunshine…And I used to think they were being flippant…Eek! :D

i_am
10-11-2008, 04:43 AM
Also I forgot to mention, that we are told that "god is love", so if we were made in his image (religiously speaking) then we are love too. God is love and love is god.

You're getting there steevo :)

I believe the interpretation of that old man sitting in the clouds is God and he loves us, is wrong, especially when 'he' is at times portrayed as being vengeful.

How does that work? :confused:

But to step back and see that 'God is love' really means LOVE is the centre of everything, Love is IT!! whatever/whomever IT may be, is truly getting closer to understanding that we are all connnected and are all the Infinite consciousness of which David speaks and that infinite onsciousness is a vibration. That vibration is LOVE, pure, pulsating, unconditional LOVE.

IMHO of course :)

amethyst
10-11-2008, 04:44 AM
I have often wondered what the phrase "the holy ghost" means.

Tonight, I came to the conclusion that the holy ghost (aka holy spirit) as described in the bible, is actually referring to THE TRUE SELF, the soul.
The word "ghost" can mean "The center of spiritual life; the soul.".

The bible says that we were made in God's image.
The way I see it is that the soul is an EXACT COPY of god. And the soul is what/who we truly are.

"ghost imaging" in the context of computers :-

If you want to know who the holy Spirit is , with a capital "S' you go back to the original greek -

and in the original greek "Holy " means "hagios" in greek which means "holy"

and Spirit, with a capital "S" means "pneuma" which means : the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son

So, sorry Steevo, but you are not the holy Spirit, the third person of the triune God. BUT, you can have the Holy Spirit living in your spirit if you ask Him to. You can't see him with your eyes because he is Spirit but you can ask him and he will live in you. Thus you will have his holy presence living inside of you if you want.

phonicboom
10-11-2008, 09:06 AM
Tonight, I came to the conclusion that the holy ghost (aka holy spirit) as described in the bible, is actually referring to THE TRUE SELF, the soul.
The word "ghost" can mean "The center of spiritual life; the soul.".

similar here (http://www.chriswilshaw.info/tao-forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=96)

steevo
10-11-2008, 11:05 AM
If you want to know who the holy Spirit is , with a capital "S' you go back to the original greek -

and in the original greek "Holy " means "hagios" in greek which means "holy"

and Spirit, with a capital "S" means "pneuma" which means : the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son

So, sorry Steevo, but you are not the holy Spirit, the third person of the triune God. BUT, you can have the Holy Spirit living in your spirit if you ask Him to. You can't see him with your eyes because he is Spirit but you can ask him and he will live in you. Thus you will have his holy presence living inside of you if you want.

Well we all have our own interpretation of it but from what I have read in the bible, the holy ghost (or holy spirit) is not some third sparate person or entitity, it's us, our soul, in my opinion.

steevo
10-11-2008, 11:05 AM
similar here (http://www.chriswilshaw.info/tao-forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=96)

Thant link isnt working for me for some reason :confused:

phonicboom
10-11-2008, 11:31 AM
Thant link isnt working for me for some reason :confused:

site was down. Back up now..

steevo
10-11-2008, 12:29 PM
similar here (http://www.chriswilshaw.info/tao-forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=96)

Thanks for that link phonicboom, it makes alot of sense to me :)

bgrade_actor
10-11-2008, 12:36 PM
How about this explanation....

HOLY SPIRIT (Gr. pneuma hagion; in KJV of NT, Holy Ghost). The third person of the triune Godhead (Matt 28:19; 2 Cor 13:14).
There is a rich revelation of the Spirit of the Lord in the OT, running along the same lines as that in the NT and directly preparatory to it. Customarily we think of the Spirit of God in the OT as powerfully endowing chosen individuals for great tasks, but actually his work ranges much more widely. First, we notice that the Spirit is God’s agent in creation (e.g., Gen 1:1; Ps 33:6; 104:30). For animals (Isa 34:16) and man (Job 27:3) alike (cf. Isa 42:5), created life is the work of the Holy Spirit. Second, the Spirit is the agent in the providential work of God in the moral sphere, the areas of history and ethical relationships. Though the actual translation of Genesis 6:3 is uncertain, it is by his Spirit that God senses and reacts to wickedness on earth. In Ezekiel 1:14, 20 the Spirit is the power by which the sovereign God controls the complexities of life on earth (cf. Isa 4:4; 30:1; 63:14). The godly person knows that his sin offends the Holy One and he fears quenching the Spirit (Ps 51:11)—this is the form that the Lord’s judgment on the disobedient Saul took (1 Sam 16:14). Third, the Spirit is known in the OT as a personal endowment. He indwells the people of God as a whole (Hag 2:5), just as he was among them at the Exodus (Isa 63:11). He endowed Bezalel for artistic skill (Exod 31:3) and many others for mighty deeds (Judg 3:10 and 6:34, literally “clothed himself with Gideon”; 11:29; 13:25; 1 Sam 11:6). These references correspond to what the NT speaks of as the “filling” of the Spirit, i.e., special endowment for a special task (cf. Acts 4:8); but there is also the constant endowment of individuals (Num 11:17, 29; 27:18; 1 Sam 16:13), especially those individuals who stood directly in the great messianic line (Isa 11:2; 42:1; 48:16; 61:1). The OT, indeed, looks forward to the messianic day as a time of special enjoyment of the Spirit of God (Isa 32:15; 44:3; 59:21; Ezek 36:27; 39:29; Joel 2:28-29). The verb “to pour out” is notable in these references and points to a hitherto unknown abundance. Fourth, the Spirit inspired the prophets (Num 11:29; 24:2; 1 Sam 10:6, 10; 2 Sam 23:2; 1 Kings 22:24; Neh 9:30; Hos 9:7; Joel 2:28-29; Mic 3:8; Zech 7:12). In all these references the personality of the Spirit is notable.
Moreover, the Spirit is wise (Isa 40:13; cf. 11:2; Dan 4:8-9, 18), he is vexed by sin and rebellion (Isa 63:10), and he is at rest when sin has been dealt with (Zech 6:8). He is holy (Ps 51:13; Isa 63:10) and good (Neh 9:20; Ps 143:10). We note that this is the same sort of evidence that we would adduce from the NT for holding that the Spirit of God is “He,” not “it.” But, like the NT, the OT goes further. Psalm 139:7 shows that the Spirit is the very presence of God himself in all the world. The Spirit of God is God himself actually present and in operation. In Isaiah 63:10, when the people vex the Spirit, God becomes their enemy; in 63:14 the work of the Spirit giving rest is parallel to the act of God leading his people. The ascription of holiness (e.g., Ps 51:13) accords to the Spirit the character and personality of God.”
That the Holy Spirit has power and influence is plain from Acts 1:8; that he is a person, the NT makes clear in detail: he dwells with us (John 14:17), teaches and brings to remembrance (14:26), bears witness (15:26), convinces of sin (16:8), guides, speaks, declares (16:13, 15), inspires the Scriptures and speaks through them (Acts 1:16; 2 Peter 1:21), speaks to his servants, (Acts 8:29), calls ministers (13:2), sends out workers (13:4), forbids certain actions (16:6-7), and intercedes (Rom 8:26). He has the attributes of personality: love (Rom 15:30), will (1 Cor 12:11), mind (Rom 8:27), thought, knowledge, words (1 Cor 2:10-13). The Holy Spirit can be treated as one may treat a human person: he can be lied to and tempted (Acts 5:3-4, 9), resisted (7:51), grieved (Eph 4:30), outraged (Heb 10:29 RSV), blasphemed against (Matt 12:31). The Holy Spirit is God, equated with the Father and the Son (Matt 28:19; 2 Cor 13:14). Jesus speaks of him as of his other self (John 14:16-17), whose presence with the disciples will be of greater advantage than his own (16:7). To have the Spirit of God is to have Christ (Rom 8:9-12). God is spirit (John 4:24) in essential nature and sends his Holy Spirit to live and work in people (14:26; 16:7).
The Hebrew and Greek words that are translated “spirit” are ruach and pneuma, both meaning literally “wind, breath.” Both came to be used for the unseen reality of living beings, especially God and man. Therefore, breath and wind are symbols of the Holy Spirit (Gen 2:7; Job 32:8; 33:4; Ezek 37:9-10; John 20:22). Other symbols are the dove (Matt 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32), oil (Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38; 1 John 2:20), fire for purification (Matt 3:11; Luke 3:16; Acts 2:3-4), living water (Isa 44:3; John 4:14; 7:37-39) and earnest or guarantee of all that God has in store for us (2 Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13-14). In the OT the Spirit of God appears from the beginning (Gen 1:2); God calls him his Spirit (6:3); and the Spirit of God comes on certain men for special purposes (e.g., Bezalel, Exod 31:3; some judges, Judg 3:10; 6:34; 11:29; David, 1 Sam 16:13). This kind of endowment was temporary (e.g., Saul, 1 Sam 10:10; 16:14); so David, repentant, prayed, “Do not...take your Holy Spirit from me” (Ps 51:11). The Spirit of God came “upon” the Messiah (Isa 11:2; 42:1; 61:1). God acts by his Spirit (Zech 4:6). (For the meaning of “holy” see HOLINESS.)
In the Gospels, as in the OT, the Holy Spirit comes upon certain persons for special reasons: John the Baptist and his parents (Luke 1:15, 41, 67), Simeon (2:25-27), and Jesus as a man (Matt 1:18, 20; 3:16; 4:1; Mark 1:8, 10; Luke 1:35; 3:16, 22; 4:1, 14, 18; John 1:32-33). Jesus promises the Holy Spirit in a new way to those who believe in him (John 7:37-39; cf. 4:10-15); also as “what my Father has promised” in Luke 24:49; covered in fuller detail in Acts 1:1-8. Jesus taught the nature and work of the Holy Spirit in John 14:16, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15. This work is to dwell in the disciples as Comforter, Counselor, Advocate (Greek parakletos); to teach all things; to help believers remember what Jesus said; to testify of Jesus; to reprove the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment; to guide the disciples into all truth; not to speak on his own initiative, but to speak only what he hears; to show the disciples things to come; and to glorify Jesus by showing the things of Jesus to the disciples. The evening of the Resurrection, Jesus “breathed on” the disciples (Thomas being absent) and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit” (John 20:22). This was not the complete enduement of the Holy Spirit that Jesus had taught and promised and that occurred at Pentecost, but it was provisional and enabled the disciples to persevere in prayer until the promised day.
At Pentecost a new phase of the revelation of God to people began (Acts 2)—as new as when the Word became flesh in the birth of Jesus. With the rushing of a mighty wind and what appeared to be tongues of fire, the disciples were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in foreign languages (listed in 2:9-11). The excitement drew a crowd of visitors to the feast, to whom Peter explained that the prophecy of Joel 2:28-32 was being fulfilled in accordance with the salvation that Jesus of Nazareth had accomplished by dying on the cross. Another 3,000 souls were added by baptism to the 120 disciples, and thus began the fellowship of apostolic teaching, of breaking of bread and of prayer, the fellowship that is the church. When the first crisis that threatened the extinction of the early church was passed, again “they were all filled with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 4:31), binding them more closely together. When the first Gentiles were converted, the Holy Spirit was poured out on them and they spoke in tongues (10:44-48); likewise when Paul met a group of John the Baptist’s disciples, the Holy Spirit came on them (19:1-7).
The NT is full of the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of believers (Rom 8:1-27); e.g., he gives gifts (1 Cor 12:14), our “body is a temple of the Holy Spirit” (6:19), and he works in us “the fruit of the Spirit” (Gal 5:22-23). Being “filled with the Spirit” (Eph 5:18) means that one experiences Christ living within (Rom 8:9-10). As the heavenly Father is God and his Son Jesus Christ is God, so the Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit as well as the Son was active in creation; he was active on certain occasions in his own person in OT times and more intensively in the Gospels; and in Acts and the Epistles he becomes the resident divine agent in the church and in its members. Teaching concerning the Holy Spirit has been both neglected and distorted, but the subject deserves careful attention as one reads the NT.
Bibliography: H. B. Swete, The Holy Spirit in the New Testament, 1909; R. B. Hoyle, The Holy Spirit in Saint Paul, 1928; H. W. Robinson, The Christian Experience of the Holy Spirit, 1928; G. S. Hendry, The Holy Spirit in Christian Theology, 1957; J. C. J. Waite, The Activity of the Holy Spirit Within the Old Testament Period, 1961; H. Berkhof, The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit, 1965; E. M. B. Green, I Believe in the Holy Spirit, 1975.——ER

armoured_amazon
10-11-2008, 12:36 PM
I have often wondered what the phrase "the holy ghost" means.

Tonight, I came to the conclusion that the holy ghost (aka holy spirit) as described in the bible, is actually referring to THE TRUE SELF, the soul.
The word "ghost" can mean "The center of spiritual life; the soul.".

The bible says that we were made in God's image.
The way I see it is that the soul is an EXACT COPY of god. And the soul is what/who we truly are.

"ghost imaging" in the context of computers :-

No. But good that you're thinking. :)

Q: "Who or what is the Holy Spirit? I've seen this name/phrase on your site in a few places."

our A: The Holy Spirit is a real person who came to reside within Jesus Christ's true followers after Jesus rose from the dead and ascended to heaven (Acts 2). Jesus told His apostles...

"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you." (John 14:16-18)

The Holy Spirit is not a vague, ethereal shadow, nor an impersonal force. He is a person equal in every way with God the Father and God the Son. He is considered to be the third member of the Godhead. Jesus said to His apostles...

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." (Matt. 28:18-20)

God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And all the divine attributes ascribed to the Father and the Son are equally ascribed to the Holy Spirit. When a person becomes born again by believing and receiving Jesus Christ (John 1:12-13; John 3:3-21), God resides in that person through the Holy Spirit (1Cor. 3:16). The Holy Spirit has intellect (1Cor. 2:11), emotion (Rom. 15:30), and will (1Cor. 12:11).

A primary role of the Holy Spirit is that He bears "witness" of Jesus Christ (John 15:26, 16:14). He tells people's hearts about the truth of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit also acts as a Christian's teacher (1Cor. 2:9-14). He reveals God's will and God's truth to a Christian. Jesus told His disciples...

"The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." (John 14:26)

"When He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come." (John 16:13)

The Holy Spirit was given to live inside those who believe in Jesus, in order to produce God's character in the life of a believer. In a way that we cannot do on our own, the Holy Spirit will build into our lives love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Gal. 5:22-23). Rather than trying to be loving, patient, kind, God asks us to rely on Him to produce these qualities in our lives. Thus Christians are told to walk in the Spirit (Gal. 5:25) and be filled with the Spirit (Eph. 5:18). And the Holy Spirit empowers Christians to perform ministerial duties that promote spiritual growth among Christians (Rom. 12; 1Cor. 12; Eph. 4).

The Holy Spirit also performs a function for non-Christians as well. He convicts people's hearts of God's truth concerning how sinful we are -- needing God's forgiveness; how righteous Jesus is -- He died in our place, for our sins; and God's eventual judgment of the world and those who do not know Him (John 16:8-11). The Holy Spirit tugs on our hearts and minds, asking us to repent and turn to God for forgiveness and a new life.

To reiterate, the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is a singular PERSON.

One way to partially visualize this concept is to examine the nature of water (H2O). Water is a single compound that can exist in three states – liquid, ice and vapor. An egg is another picture. It is comprised of the white, the yoke and the shell, yet it is still one egg. Of course, by no means do these examples paint a complete picture of our God, but they are illustrative of the fact that His three “persons” in no way invalidate His oneness.

phonicboom
10-11-2008, 01:03 PM
How about this explanation....

that is unreadable.

No. But good that you're thinking. :)

To reiterate, the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is a singular PERSON.

To both of those posters....

boring. boring. boring. So you quote a dusty old book and that is truth? That simply means you have dedicated 0 of your braincells to one of the biggest questions we have in life... How about some original thought to stimulate Stevo on his interesting quest?

armoured_amazon
10-11-2008, 01:06 PM
that is unreadable.



To both of those posters....

boring. boring. boring. So you quote a dusty old book and that is truth? That simply means you have dedicated 0 of your braincells to one of the biggest questions we have in life... How about some original thought to stimulate Stevo on his interesting quest?

How about you keep your mind focused on worldly matters that you actually have personal knowledge of? :)

1 Cor. 2:14... "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

I think my policy from now on will be to let unbelievers just rant and rave about how much better they know the Bible than I do, or perhaps just quote the Paul quote I gave above. It's ridiculous to try to argue with these deluded people who think they know everything about God and His Word when they despise, mock, scorn, and hate both.

phildee3
10-11-2008, 01:13 PM
I have often wondered what the phrase "the holy ghost" means.

Tonight, I came to the conclusion that the holy ghost (aka holy spirit) as described in the bible, is actually referring to THE TRUE SELF, the soul.
The word "ghost" can mean "The center of spiritual life; the soul.".

The bible says that we were made in God's image.
The way I see it is that the soul is an EXACT COPY of god. And the soul is what/who we truly are.

"ghost imaging" in the context of computers :-

This is an inspired revelation, steevo.
You have been blessed with gnosis (spritual knowledge inwardly revealed).
We are made in God's image (spiritually, not physically) - infinite droplets from an infinite ocean with which we have identical qualities.

But the Holy Spirit is only one aspect of the Eternal One, who is inseperable.
The soul is identical with the "Father," "Son" and the "Holy Ghost."

phonicboom
10-11-2008, 01:32 PM
How about you keep your mind focused on worldly matters that you actually have personal knowledge of? :)

like direct knowledge of the ultimate truth. ok, i will, thanks :) ;)

pleasuredome
10-11-2008, 04:06 PM
I have often wondered what the phrase "the holy ghost" means.

Tonight, I came to the conclusion that the holy ghost (aka holy spirit) as described in the bible, is actually referring to THE TRUE SELF, the soul.
The word "ghost" can mean "The center of spiritual life; the soul.".

The bible says that we were made in God's image.
The way I see it is that the soul is an EXACT COPY of god. And the soul is what/who we truly are.

"ghost imaging" in the context of computers :-

its pretty good that you're thinking about this, as you see that it has meaning in some way. i never had a religous belief in or considered the trinity as being relevent, but since doing aya, i see how it how the trinity fits in with greater aspects of ourself. for me, god is the first male aspect of the projection from the source, and the holy ghost is the first feminine aspect, and we are the son. the three together being one, the source.

snoopsnuffleopagus
10-11-2008, 04:20 PM
hello! Steevo:

there are some videos y'all might want to view. Produced by a Academicaly Credentialed Linguist, Michael S Heiser: "Ghosts in the Ancient Biblical World'.

pages 1, 2,& 3 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=michael+heiser&search_type=&aq=f

Also has alot of materiel on Nibiru, Nephalim, UFOs in Biblical Context and the Sumerian Texts.

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

I perceive the Holy Spirit of Yahweh to be a 'Force' which helps us. as another Poster Posted. The Holy Spirit will not reside in one opposing Yahwehs Will. Nothing personal. :)

steevo
10-11-2008, 04:31 PM
its pretty good that you're thinking about this, as you see that it has meaning in some way. i never had a religous belief in or considered the trinity as being relevent, but since doing aya, i see how it how the trinity fits in with greater aspects of ourself. for me, god is the first male aspect of the projection from the source, and the holy ghost is the first feminine aspect, and we are the son. the three together being one, the source.

If that's the case, then surely it would say "mother" and not "holy ghost".

steevo
10-11-2008, 04:36 PM
How about you keep your mind focused on worldly matters that you actually have personal knowledge of? :)

1 Cor. 2:14... "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

You obviously believe EVERYTHING that the bible tells you and that's YOUR perogative.

steevo
10-11-2008, 04:40 PM
I perceive the Holy Spirit of Yahweh to be a 'Force' which helps us. as another Poster Posted. The Holy Spirit will not reside in one opposing Yahwehs Will. Nothing personal. :)

I disagree. But you have the right to have your opinion.
The holy ghost is the soul (aka infinite conciousness) IN MY OPINION :):p

pleasuredome
10-11-2008, 04:45 PM
If that's the case, then surely it would say "mother" and not "holy ghost".

if you look at most other trinities it was a woman/mother. why the bible doesnt put it that way is open to debate. i think tsarion's opinion on the matter sums it up well as to why it doesnt refer to the feminine aspect.

snoopsnuffleopagus
10-11-2008, 04:48 PM
Hey, if that is what works for you, Roll with it!

None of us can say with absolute certainty whats what, UNTIL. IF, we 'get to the otherside'. 'Be Cool' is still the main rule. :)

:confused: Hey! I gotz a query, just a bit off topic, but someone here might know, Chinese Astrology- 2012, what animal? the Horse?

pleasuredome
10-11-2008, 04:56 PM
The holy ghost is the soul (aka infinite conciousness) IN MY OPINION :):p

that works just as well because we're all part of the whole/godhead.

oiram
10-11-2008, 05:11 PM
Yes it will take some more time before people will realize that God & Holy spirit ends up at your own personal address!
God & your Holy ghost is closer to you then your own blood!

But all I see a lot in the moment is a lot of Holy shit walking around on earth!

angel147
25-12-2008, 03:55 PM
I believe the Holy Spirit to be the natural electrical charge everywhere, the soul/spirit of God himself, The life force.