Was it a Tanker Transport Plane that Struck 9/11

[qasrose]

Many people who seen the 2nd plane hit, noticed that it had no Windows. So I done some searching and came across this plane

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc767/images/767tanker_1.jpg

The Plane above is a 767 Tanker. Now take a look at the 9/11 plane below.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/images/planepod-tilted_sharp.jpg

Is that a perfect match??

This could probably explain why the plane
was able to slice through the tower, and created that huge fireball.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix4/Fireball-at-South-Tower.JPG

[qasrose]

Bump

[bryan]

This could probably explain why the plane
was able to slice through the tower, and created that huge fireball.

So you're saying that a standard passenger plane wouldn't have been able to slice through the tower?

A bit of a bombshell for somebody who thinks no-planers are a bunch of liars and disinfo agents.

[qasrose]

So you're saying that a standard passenger plane wouldn't have been able to slice through the tower?

A bit of a bombshell for somebody who thinks no-planers are a bunch of liars and disinfo agents.

I'm not saying that, stop putting words in my mouth, I said


This could probably explain why the plane
was able to slice through the tower

No Planers are liars, the NPT is all bollocks bull crap in my book. in my opinion.

[lightgiver]

Hi qasrose,

why does chopper 4 not show a tanker plane,or any plane:confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTsiLX3XbA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfH5ytKNGC4

Comprendre.

[graflok]

Maybe it was one of these.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2jh6h0.jpg

Then it could really slice through the tower!

[qasrose]

Hi qasrose,

why does chopper 4 not show a tanker plane,or any plane:confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTsiLX3XbA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfH5ytKNGC4

Comprendre.

The first video is due to the camera angle. I am not 100% if it has been edited or not so
that it just shows the explosion I will have to look at it in more detail after I finish work tomorrow morning.

As for the 2nd video.That's from September Poos so I am going to pass it as FAKE. Sorry
But show me some more real evidence like The first video.

[lightgiver]

The first video is due to the camera angle. I am not 100% if it has been edited or not so
that it just shows the explosion I will have to look at it in more detail after I finish work tomorrow morning.

As for the 2nd video.That's from September Poos so I am going to pass it as FAKE. Sorry
But show me some more real evidence like The first video.

Listen to the commentary,

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTsiLX3XbA

[bryan]

I'm not saying that, stop putting words in my mouth, I said

If a passenger plane could have sliced through the tower, why would you need a military plane to explain the facts?

[turbine]

Listen to the commentary,

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTsiLX3XbA

They don't seem very shocked when the second plane hit. But I guess when you control everything that's said in the media nothing is.

[banoyes]

Odd
Plane "enters the building ( no explosion)
then when it does explode the greater part is out the side
If there was already a hole where the immutable plane sliced through the steel and concrete
wouldn't the explosion follow the line of least resistence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMseIGe-YvE&eurl

[mynameis]

wouldn't the explosion follow the line of least resistence?

No. Explosions follow the available sources of oxygen; unless there is a chemical endothermic reaction.

[banoyes]

No. Explosions follow the available sources of oxygen; unless there is a chemical endothermic reaction.
Wrong
and there was a "hole" more air in that direction

[mynameis]

Wrong
and there was a "hole" more air in that direction

No. I am not wrong. Look up how fuel explosions work. An explosion absorbs the available oxygen unless endothermic. It has nothing to do with more or less air in any direction. Sometimes pressures can even cause a difference in direction.

[qasrose]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S7rRXJ87oPo&feature=related


the video was done by Luc Courchesne , it was not meant to be used as a manipulative deception ,
the objective was to show how easy it was to put a plane and to take it out of the video.

So you see, it shows you why I don't believe in the No Plane Theory, because the plane can easily be edited out of the video..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh2FazZmvuE&feature=related

[lightgiver]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S7rRXJ87oPo&feature=related



So you see, it shows you why I don't believe in the No Plane Theory, because the plane can easily be edited out of the video..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh2FazZmvuE&feature=related

Where plane visible,i feel one is clutching at straws again,did you listen to the commentary,and a plane can also be easily edited in,remember news people just read from scripts,a lot like politicians:rolleyes:

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=t9GYaUQyUxY

remember you was not there on 911,did you physically see any planes,no because you was not there.
Some people must have short memories,TPTB LIE,do you not get it yet?

You obviously have a lot to learn yet.

[mynameis]

remember you was not there on 911,did you physically see any planes,no because you was not there.
Some people must have short memories,TPTB LIE,do you not get it yet?

You obviously have a lot to learn yet.

Something about this is very ironic yet laughable about the poster's position towards others who were.

[kiwimaj]

Many people who seen the 2nd plane hit, noticed that it had no Windows. So I done some searching and came across this plane

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc767/images/767tanker_1.jpg

The Plane above is a 767 Tanker. Now take a look at the 9/11 plane below.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/images/planepod-tilted_sharp.jpg

Is that a perfect match??

This could probably explain why the plane
was able to slice through the tower, and created that huge fireball.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix4/Fireball-at-South-Tower.JPG

Could it also possibly be that the plane had explosives on board and was set off the moment of impact? That could explain why there was such an instant, huge fireball in the tower.

[banoyes]

Something about this is very ironic yet laughable about the poster's position towards others who were.
Ironic huh
"there was no plane"
"It was a military plane"
"It was a small plane"
"It had no windows"
Sure is ironic how you plane people keep lying about ANY continuity of "eyewitness"
Eyewitness = useless
Oh the irony!!

[qasrose]

Ironic huh
"there was no plane"
"It was a military plane"
"It was a small plane"
"It had no windows"
Sure is ironic how you plane people keep lying about ANY continuity of "eyewitness"
Eyewitness = useless
Oh the irony!!

Stop trolling my thread Banoyes, if you've got nothing else decent too add to this discussion, then please get OUT. and Stay OUT.

[lightgiver]

Something about this is very ironic yet laughable about the poster's position towards others who were.

Here we go again on the merry go round:D

Just wondering why more than half of the official footage of 911 looks fake;)and no evidence as been preserved:confused:all conveniently swept under the rug.

[banoyes]

Stop trolling my thread Banoyes, if you've got nothing else decent too add to this discussion, then please get OUT. and Stay OUT.
You ain't a moderator any more
This post was a direct response to mynameis.Not trolling in any manner
You really have problems with definitions
Have a Adaquit Day

[qasrose]

You ain't a moderator any more
This post was a direct response to mynameis.Not trolling in any manner
You really have problems with definitions
Have a Adaquit Day

So what I'm not a moderator anymore, I'm glad
I am not a damn moderator Banoyes.
Just stop trying to cause arguments and trouble.

I've had enough of your crap now, It's pissing me off
how old are you really???? 10??.

And if anyone has any problems
It's you, stop talking crap and post something
that is actually worth posting.

[lightgiver]

Stop trolling my thread Banoyes, if you've got nothing else decent too add to this discussion, then please get OUT. and Stay OUT.

qasrose chill man,banoyes makes some valid points and so do you,if a plane or planes were used,the one you are pointing out looks most likely the one,they just put some ua markings on it,but like i say i am not sure whether planes were used or not and i am sticking by that unless some concrete evidence comes along,that proves otherwise;)

[qasrose]

qasrose chill man,banoyes makes some valid points and so do you,if a plane or planes were used,the one you are pointing out looks most likely the one,they just put some ua markings on it,but like i say i am not sure whether planes were used or not and i am sticking by that unless some concrete evidence comes along,that proves otherwise;)

Banoyes makes no valid points what so ever, That video I posted proofs that the No Plane Theory does not exist,
because the planes where edited out of the video, to create another LIE... Nuff Said.

[mynameis]

Ironic huh
"there was no plane"
"It was a military plane"
"It was a small plane"
"It had no windows"
Sure is ironic how you plane people keep lying about ANY continuity of "eyewitness"
Eyewitness = useless
Oh the irony!!

Here we go again on the merry go round:D

Just wondering why more than half of the official footage of 911 looks fake;)and no evidence as been preserved:confused:all conveniently swept under the rug.

PUH-LEEZ. You both have more speculation and conjecture than you do actual evidence of no planes.

[lightgiver]

Banoyes makes no valid points what so ever, That video I posted proofs that the No Plane Theory does not exist,
because the planes where edited out of the video, to create another LIE... Nuff Said.

How do you not know that they were not edited in or messed around with?

You cannot prove the no plane exists as much as you cannot prove that the plane exists,because you was not there on the day and witnessed any plane hitting anything,and chopper 4 footage is genuine:)
Infact no one knows the real facts,only the perpetrators,so unless 911 is investigated correctly all any one can do is make a guess of what happened,unless any real concrete proof comes along.
Also there was footage from the pentagon that showed no aircraft hitting it,??

Also where is all the 911 plane evidence being preserved,you know all the scraps they recovered and the black boxes,and not forgetting all the steel that should have been kept for criminal analysis.

Tptb had already decided who carried out the attacks of 911 well before 911.

[lightgiver]

PUH-LEEZ. You both have more speculation and conjecture than you do actual evidence of no planes.

Is that all you bring to the table PUH LEEZ,:rolleyes:

Do you want me to print that pic again:D WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE BEING PRESERVED????????


25 August, 2007
TV 911 airplane fabrication - Eyewitnesses SAW NOT PLANES

Taken from non-public Bulleting Board

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showtopic=8589&st=0&#entry9858525


WNBC Chopper 4 Footage Proves Irrefutably That The Videos of a Boeing 767 Impacting WTC2 Are Falsified


Credible witnesses, directly corroborating each other, and effectively constituting group witness testimony, provide conclusive and irrefutable evidence that No Plane impacted WTC2 on the morning of September 11 2001. This in turn proves beyond any doubt not only that the videos of this event were irrefutably falsified but furthermore that this fact implicates multiple agencies colluding together on a massive scale in the staging of a false act of terror: namely the incident of September 11 2001: Attack On America.

http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/2007/08/tv-911-airplane-fabrication.html

[w1nstonsm1th84]

Surely you lot can debate without resorting to petty name calling?
Please stop it with the insults, it isn't contributing anything positive to the debate.

Thank you,

w1nstonsm1th84.

[lightgiver]

PUH-LEEZ. You both have more speculation and conjecture than you do actual evidence of no planes.

Here, in his own words is how he describes the event:

"Then out of nowhere came this noise. This loud, high-pitched roar that seemed to come from all over, but from nowhere in particular. And the second tower just exploded. It became amazingly obvious to anyone there that what we all had hoped was a terrible accident was actually an overt act of hostility. I didn’t see the plane hit, although I was looking at the tower at the time."
<http://www.globaljournalist.org/archive/Magazine/j...>

http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=218&topic_id=5899&mesg_id=6254

[sweheretic]

some speculation is always good, it can wake up questions to be really answered.

if it was a plane, a cheesecake or a nuclear surfing board does little difference to the issue however.. personally I don't give a *bleep* what it was, cause it's hard to prove either way.

the real issue is that the towers were indeed rigged with explosives (provable and important fact), the event was planned in order to gain the perfect excuse to start reducing liberties (provable and important fact). Iraq didn't have and WMD's (provable and important fact). The Afghanistan-invasion was planned and ready well ahead the actual excuse for it. (important fact and most probably provable as well, I havn't checked it out personally so I'm not sure)

stick to the important pieces, don't get drawn in by provocateurs or other disinfo/divide&conquer-agents.

that's about it.

Ps. Hope the message gets through Ds.

[lightgiver]

some speculation is always good, it can wake up questions to be really answered.

if it was a plane, a cheesecake or a nuclear surfing board does little difference to the issue however.. personally I don't give a *bleep* what it was, cause it's hard to prove either way.

the real issue is that the towers were indeed rigged with explosives (provable and important fact), the event was planned in order to gain the perfect excuse to start reducing liberties (provable and important fact). Iraq didn't have and WMD's (provable and important fact). The Afghanistan-invasion was planned and ready well ahead the actual excuse for it. (important fact and most probably provable as well, I havn't checked it out personally so I'm not sure)

stick to the important pieces, don't get drawn in by provocateurs or other disinfo/divide&conquer-agents.

that's about it.

Ps. Hope the message gets through Ds.

hi sweheretic,good answer.

Have you read my links?:)

[bryan]

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc767/images/767tanker_1.jpg

Why would this military plane be able to slice through steel when other planes can't?

[banoyes]

So what I'm not a moderator anymore, I'm glad
I am not a damn moderator Banoyes.
Just stop trying to cause arguments and trouble.

I've had enough of your crap now, It's pissing me off
how old are you really???? 10??.

And if anyone has any problems
It's you, stop talking crap and post something
that is actually worth posting.

Stop trolling my thread Banoyes, if you've got nothing else decent too add to this discussion, then please get OUT. and Stay OUT.
hhhmm
Any looking will see you are trolling your own thread
and YOU started the "argument"- again
Stop writing me
I can live with that

[mynameis]

Here, in his own words is how he describes the event:

"Then out of nowhere came this noise. This loud, high-pitched roar that seemed to come from all over, but from nowhere in particular. And the second tower just exploded. It became amazingly obvious to anyone there that what we all had hoped was a terrible accident was actually an overt act of hostility. I didn’t see the plane hit, although I was looking at the tower at the time."
<http://www.globaljournalist.org/archive/Magazine/j...>

http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=218&topic_id=5899&mesg_id=6254
Now this isn't high resolution but this is the full video. Half wits (only those who) still won't believe their eyes when they look at the top right corner and see the plane coming in at around the one min twenty mark. Then refuse to believe they are being lied to by disinformation artists. I even bet they'll try to file false DCMA claims against this video as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvo9pAOzkj8

[lightgiver]

Now this isn't high resolution but this is the full video. Half wits still won't believe their eyes when they look at the top right corner and see the plane coming in at around the one min twenty mark. The refuse to believe they are being lied to by disinformation artists. I even bet they'll try to file false DCMA claims against this video as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvo9pAOzkj8

If you notice on left hand side ,some footage as chopper 4 on it and others does not:confused:
Also of the plane coming in at 1.20????? a little dubious.


http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showtopic=8589&st=0&#entry9858525

Have you checked the witness statements on my previous links?

[pedsi]

All the youtube videos showing planes are faked!!!! here's a youtube video to prove it?....madness:p

Good luck with the debate!:)

[mynameis]

If you notice on left hand side ,some footage as chopper 4 on it and others does not:confused:
Also of the plane coming in at 1.20????? a little dubious.


http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showtopic=8589&st=0&#entry9858525

Have you checked the witness statements on my previous links?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeYiSBT49gQ

Your links aren't digestible in any form. Digestible means, I don't know what you are referring to in the links. You've given no quotes for the information etc....Nor are webfairy's and simple shack's editing skills top notch.

[mynameis]

Many people who seen the 2nd plane hit, noticed that it had no Windows. So I done some searching and came across this plane

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc767/images/767tanker_1.jpg

The Plane above is a 767 Tanker. Now take a look at the 9/11 plane below.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/images/planepod-tilted_sharp.jpg

Is that a perfect match??

This could probably explain why the plane
was able to slice through the tower, and created that huge fireball.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix4/Fireball-at-South-Tower.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-767

[dave52]

That's not a plane, it's a blob.

Notice also the change of angle a the moment of impact - nice.

By the way - why exactly would that plane be able to "slice" through the tower anymore than a passenger airliner...?

[mynameis]

That's not a plane, it's a blob.

Notice also the change of angle a the moment of impact - nice.

By the way - why exactly would that plane be able to "slice" through the tower anymore than a passenger airliner...?

Either would impact the building the same and penetrate through the welds of the frame regardless. Willful ignorance must be nice. :)

:)

[sweheretic]

don't make me quote myself again :mad:

[lightgiver]

Why does mynamis(the oracle) not read links??????

http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/2007/08/tv-911-airplane-fabrication.html

http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=218&topic_id=5899&mesg_id=6254

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Sherlock Holmes

[dave52]

Either would impact the building the same

Sorry, the plane or the blob...?

[bryan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-767

Specifications for KC-767A Tanker Transport (767-200ER based):

Empty weight: 181,610 lb
Max takeoff weight: 395,000 lb


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767

United Airlines Flight 175, a 767-200, crashed into the south tower.

Specifications for 767-200ER:

Empty Weight: 181,610 lb
Max takeoff weight: 395,000 lb


Structurally, it looks to be the same plane.

So how can the tanker be an explanation for the anomalies which qasrose pointed out at the start of the thread?

[qasrose]

Listen everyone knows the Planes have been edited out of the video footage and in the chopper 4 clip you can still see the Plane. End of story.

[bryan]

Listen everyone knows the Planes have been edited out of the video footage and in the chopper 4 clip you can still see the Plane. End of story.

Do you think multiple TV cameras missed the impact because of incompetence?

[lightgiver]

Listen everyone knows the Planes have been edited out of the video footage and in the chopper 4 clip you can still see the Plane. End of story.

Maybe that's what you think,oh rigid one,even when maybe one day they will prove that planes were not used and you will still be saying planes were used,what's your excuse for the pentagon,you are saying the planes were edited out,but you cannot believe there were edited in:confused:
Strange days have found us indeed.
And what about all the helicopters flying around that day and the MSM footage is that the best they can come up with?
Obviously qasrose you are choosing to ignore the chopper 4 link witness statements who said they did not see a plane,and these statements come from credible witness,yeah you keep ignoring the facts. END OF YOUR STORY.

Oh also where is all the aircraft wreckage being kept,you cannot seem to answer that one?and the black boxes?and the engines?Its all bollocks thats why.
Maybe YOU NEED to watch this,http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/oil_smoke_mirrors.php

[qasrose]

Maybe that's what you think,oh rigid one,even when maybe one day they will prove that planes were not used and you will still be saying planes were used,what's your excuse for the pentagon,you are saying the planes were edited out,but you cannot believe there were edited in:confused:
Strange days have found us indeed.
And what about all the helicopters flying around that day and the MSM footage is that the best they can come up with?
Obviously qasrose you are choosing to ignore the chopper 4 link witness statements who said they did not see a plane,and these statements come from credible witness,yeah you keep ignoring the facts. END OF YOUR STORY.

Oh also where is all the aircraft wreckage being kept,you cannot seem to answer that one?and the black boxes?and the engines?Its all bollocks thats why.


Can you even answer where the aircraft wreckage is being kept? no you can not, Do you think Wreckage would be found in the WTC Rubble??

And as for the witness reports on the chopper 4 saying they did not see a plane it is 100% possible that that person or persons, where not paying attention, and only looked up after hearing an explosion.

On another serious note, I would like to ask Do you believe in the no plane theory because David Icke does?

[lightgiver]

Can you even answer where the aircraft wreckage is being kept? no you can not, Do you think Wreckage would be found in the WTC Rubble??

And as for the witness reports on the chopper 4 saying they did not see a plane it is 100% possible that that person or persons, where not paying attention, and only looked up after hearing an explosion.

On another serious note, I would like to ask Do you believe in the no plane theory because David Icke does?

No i do not know where the wreckage is being kept,maybe same place as the steel,we should know where it is,and all the steel should have been kept for forensic analysis,any fool knows that they had already decided within minutes who was responsible,how convenient.
Have you never watched the Aaron russo interview?

Planes or no planes,all that official footage looks fake,wings missing,how the planes hit the towers,all that dubious looking wreckage on surrounding buildings and in the streets, and the stuff the fbi was running off with at the pentagon ,need i go on ,do you read any of my posts and links all the info is there.
Maybe you are not paying attention,and i believe what i feel,not because somebody else thinks so,i have been on this planet long enough to know the darkness of human nature.
If TPTB have nothing to hide ,where is all the pentagon cctv footage,and there is not one crystal clear pic of the so called planes hitting the tower,the pentagon and flight 93,a hell of a lot of unanswered questions,it is just a pity the MSM are not discussing these issues.

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/oil_smoke_mirrors.php

[qasrose]

Planes or no planes,all that official footage looks fake,wings missing,how the planes hit the towers,all that dubious looking wreckage on surrounding buildings and in the streets, and the stuff the fbi was running off with at the pentagon ,need i go on ,do you read any of my posts and links all the info is there.
Maybe you are not paying attention,and i believe what i feel,not because somebody else thinks so,i have been on this planet long enough to know the darkness of human nature.
If TPTB have nothing to hide ,where is all the pentagon cctv footage,and there is not one crystal clear pic of the so called planes hitting the tower,the pentagon and flight 93,a hell of a lot of unanswered questions,it is just a pity the MSM are not discussing these issues.

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/oil_smoke_mirrors.php

It would be impossible to get a clear shot of the plane due to the speed it was going,
And how many people do you think had cameras on them that day? pointing at the towers? 0.......

[lightgiver]

It would be impossible to get a clear shot of the plane due to the speed it was going,
And how many people do you think had cameras on them that day? pointing at the towers? 0.......

Well that picture you put up of a jet plane going 800 km/h looked pretty clear:confused:;) and they had plenty time to set the cameras up,it was roughly an hour after the 1st tower got hit before the pentagon got hit?and all they came forward with is a few frames from cctv ,which by the way shows NO plane,only an explosion,and that footage was leaked out by some one.

[qasrose]

Well that picture you put up of a jet plane going 800 km/h looked pretty clear:confused:;)

That's because that 2nd picture is a video still image.

[lightgiver]

That's because that 2nd picture is a video still image.

i WILL BE doing this now,because this is a pointless waste of my time.
ACCEPT DEFEAT AND OFFER THE VICTORY TO OTHERS.bye bye FOR NOW:D

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/oil_smoke_mirrors.php

"The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands..."

[banoyes]

Listen everyone knows the Planes have been edited out of the video footage and in the chopper 4 clip you can still see the Plane. End of story.
"everyone"
Dead give away
claiming what is not yours to claim
Watch for it ..

[qasrose]

"everyone"
Dead give away
claiming what is not yours to claim
Watch for it ..

What am I claiming, nothing??. It's in my own opinion.

I'm not arguing with you anymore, it's not worth the freaking time.

I will never except the No Plane Theory, Never...

If you want to spread lies, and continue to miss lead people be my guest,
but it will not get you anywhere. Just on a curious note.

Do you think their where NO BUS on 7/7??? or was that hologram???

[3stepsahead]

Either would impact the building the same and penetrate through the welds of the frame regardless. Willful ignorance must be nice. :)

:)

and you may simulate this scenario how ?

right, the media told you.
good ol media.:rolleyes:

[qasrose]

and you may simulate this scenario how ?

right, the media told you.
good ol media.:rolleyes:

When the plane is going that fast, it's not just gonna stop and smack at the building outta side and explode LOL. What a funny guy... I'm telling you, your all being brainwashed (No Plane Theory)... Need I say more.

[banoyes]

What am I claiming, nothing??. It's in my own opinion.

You claim everyone ..you cannot

I'm not arguing with you anymore, it's not worth the freaking time.

I will never except the No Plane Theory, Never...

Closed mind ... no hope

If you want to spread lies, and continue to miss lead people be my guest,
but it will not get you anywhere.

Now THATS AN OPINION

Just on a curious note.

Do you think their where NO BUS on 7/7??? or was that hologram???
"police examined No. 30 bus for five days "
You got nothing but denial,you deny the evidence
can if you want
but the fact there were no planes used at any "crash sites" is becoming more and more acknowledged
some people keep an open mind
Never is a long time

[qasrose]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/0000_steel_beams_bent_inwards.png

[3stepsahead]

When the plane is going that fast, it's not just gonna stop and smack at the building outta side and explode LOL. What a funny guy... I'm telling you, your all being brainwashed (No Plane Theory)... Need I say more.

hey i am not calling it that.
and id like to see an accurate simulation e.g not a cnn one ;)
its easy for any of us to say what happened, but ive heard to prove something you should be able to do it over and over and get the same result.

and finally i cant see why youre arguing over something that has no validity whatsoever, either way. it wont change anything.
just agree with me damnit, ill give you a dollar.:mad::p

i still think a missile may have been used but i am not sure and never will be
but THE MEDIA has put that into my mind. as they have put into yours huh?

have a moderately swell evening.

[qasrose]

hey i am not calling it that.
and id like to see an accurate simulation e.g not a cnn one ;)
its easy for any of us to say what happened, but ive heard to prove something you should be able to do it over and over and get the same result.

and finally i cant see why youre arguing over something that has no validity whatsoever, either way. it wont change anything.
just agree with me damnit, ill give you a dollar.:mad::p

i still think a missile may have been used but i am not sure and never will be
but THE MEDIA has put that into my mind. as they have put into yours huh?

have a moderately swell evening.

Wow it looks like your so desperate into getting people
to agree with you on the no plane theory, So your saying the Plane Theory has no validity?
I'm glad you think it could have been a missile though, Unlike others who just think no planes hit.

This Photograph is so Clear. (Waits for banoyes to say it's faked)
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/wtc-plane.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/southtowerhit.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/planeanalysis2.jpg

[3stepsahead]

ha lol i am just trying to be a little objective. not saying things are this and that, saying what ifs and maybes. and how bouts.
you said i was saying npt was ..... ive never mentioned npt or pt or any other label
and that greyscale pic is pretty good never saw it before.

this case will be pending like for ever and it is not helping any of us.
so better just throw your ideas out here and not argue too much.


:D

[sweheretic]

hi sweheretic,good answer.

Have you read my links?:)

took a short read, the reason no plane show in the video at the bottom is clearly that it's filmed from the wrong side of the tower since the fire ball comes towards the helicopter :)

to the rest of ya:
I'm amazed people get stuck on petty issues, even though they know how the political game works.. get you sucked in to petty issues and silly bickering so you'll miss the big picture :)

deep breath, step back, take a new look from a wider perspective

[lightgiver]

took a short read, the reason no plane show in the video at the bottom is clearly that it's filmed from the wrong side of the tower since the fire ball comes towards the helicopter :)

to the rest of ya:
I'm amazed people get stuck on petty issues, even though they know how the political game works.. get you sucked in to petty issues and silly bickering so you'll miss the big picture :)

deep breath, step back, take a new look from a wider perspective

Just trying to get to the truth:)

http://612ua.0catch.com/
http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://612ua.0catch.com/_webimages/plane.jpg&imgrefurl=http://612ua.0catch.com/&h=534&w=600&sz=24&hl=en&start=40&usg=__3EylsFbO76djJseSyV_rOfQAkgA=&tbnid=FrtGSKrZqy1QBM:&tbnh=120&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3D911%2Bclear%2Bplane%2Bshot%26start%3D 20%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26 client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN

[qasrose]

This Photograph is so Clear. (Waits for banoyes to say it's faked)
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/wtc-plane.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/southtowerhit.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/planeanalysis2.jpg

Funny how no one reply's too these images HA HA

[qasrose]

Wow looks like I've shut you no planers up :D.

[lightgiver]

Dreamer ya nothin but a dreamer:D:D you seem so sure of your self,ignore all the links thats a good little boy.

http://612ua.0catch.com/and if you can be bothered to look at link you will see they are fake.

Its not a matter of planes or no planes,its trying to get to the truth,and coming to final conclusions is not helping.
And i will never shut up,just as you think its gone quiet i will be lurking.HA HA.

[qasrose]

Dreamer ya nothin but a dreamer:D:D you seem so sure of your self,ignore all the links thats a good little boy.

http://612ua.0catch.com/and if you can be bothered to look at link you will see they are fake.

Its not a matter of planes or no planes,its trying to get to the truth,and coming to final conclusions is not helping.
And i will never shut up,just as you think its gone quiet i will be lurking.HA HA.

Keep on posting that website, because it's loaded with SPAM.
and is full of crap ass images, that I wouldn't even use as bog paper.

[lightgiver]

Keep on posting that website, because it's loaded with SPAM.
and is full of crap ass images, that I wouldn't even use as bog paper.

And all yours are credible:confused: one advert is not spam,just click it off:rolleyes:

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=XIzxtp9EtQY

[mynameis]

Ad hominem...because proving a photograph wrong is impossible for the NPT.

[lightgiver]

Ad hominem...because proving a photograph wrong is impossible for the NPT.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_hCCGRkgIRsE/SAYL68-HEuI/AAAAAAAAADQ/JyOCIoAeJOI/s320/Ad+hominem.jpg

Did not take you long to pop up did it now,another insult to add to the list of many,what as that pic got to do with tanker transport planes,also oh wise one you may know where all the plane wreckage evidence is being kept,you know for forensic examination:confused:

[mynameis]

Did not take you long to pop up did it now,another insult to add to the list of many,what as that pic got to do with tanker transport planes,also oh wise one you may know where all the plane wreckage evidence is being kept,you know for forensic examination:confused:

Which plane?

[lightgiver]

Which plane?

exactly:D:D
wreckage any one.

[mynameis]

Did not take you long to pop up did it now,another insult to add to the list of many,what as that pic got to do with tanker transport planes,also oh wise one you may know where all the plane wreckage evidence is being kept,you know for forensic examination:confused:

It's called clear thinking. Many fortunately have an ability to weed out bullcrap when they read it. Hence the picture. When we point out bs, those who have the inability to see it as bs call it an insult.

[lightgiver]

It's called clear thinking. Many fortunately have an ability to weed out bullcrap when they read it. Hence the picture. When we point out bs, those who have the inability to see it as bs call it an insult.

No you do not know where it is.
You could probably fit the scraps in the back of a transit van.

[mynameis]

No you do not know where it is.
You could probably fit the scraps in the back of a transit van.

I don't think you'd even need a van to fit the brains of NPTists, when a small matchbox would do.

[lightgiver]

I don't think you'd even need a van to fit the brains of NPTists, when a small matchbox would do.

What ever,you do not know the full facts,so i would avoid making assumptions,until the truth comes out,IF IT EVER WILL:(

New World Order

The perpetrators of the attacks are sometimes thought to be a "shadow government" controlling the White House and both major political parties. They are also said to control certain foreign governments, global corporations and the mainstream news media, and are referred to as the "New World Order". Some of the individuals believed to be working for this group are members of such groups as the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group. The term itself gained popularity following its use in the early 1990s, first by President George H W Bush when he referred to his "dream of a New World Order" in his speech to congress on September 11, 1990, and second by David Rockefeller in a Statement to the United Nations Business Council in September 1994:

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

The Rockefellers and co are vampires sucking the blood of the sufferers.

[mynameis]

What ever,you do not know the full facts,so i would avoid making assumptions,until the truth comes out,IF IT EVER WILL:(


:D:D
hell o
i knew you would arrive,familiar faces. familiar places

do you know where the plane wreckage is being stored,you know the 911 plane wreckage,the place it got forensically examined:confused:

The Rockefeller and co funded 911,and i do not care which one ,they are all crooks.

Powerful men walk on crooked legs.

Oh? But I'm not the one making specious arguments about the Rockefeller family.

[montag]

Keep it nice folks please..:)

[gribz]

Many people who seen the 2nd plane hit, noticed that it had no Windows. So I done some searching and came across this plane

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc767/images/767tanker_1.jpg

The Plane above is a 767 Tanker. Now take a look at the 9/11 plane below.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/images/planepod-tilted_sharp.jpg

Is that a perfect match??

This could probably explain why the plane
was able to slice through the tower, and created that huge fireball.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix4/Fireball-at-South-Tower.JPG

For me this is the most realistic plane that hit tower 2, i definatly dont think it was a passenger jet. I am open to the hologram and missile theory but for me it was the windowless plane in the picture

[mynameis]

For me this is the most realistic plane that hit tower 2, i definatly dont think it was a passenger jet. I am open to the hologram and missile theory but for me it was the windowless plane in the picture

You are contradicting yourself. A hologram cannot be a missile and cannot be a plane and cannot be projected based on imaginary technology. This kind of thing would be like saying the chicken came before the egg, or because sunlight exists and we can make lasers then death star's laser, a planet killer, must be real.

[frenat]

Many people who seen the 2nd plane hit, noticed that it had no Windows. So I done some searching and came across this plane

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc767/images/767tanker_1.jpg

The Plane above is a 767 Tanker. Now take a look at the 9/11 plane below.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/images/planepod-tilted_sharp.jpg

Is that a perfect match??

This could probably explain why the plane
was able to slice through the tower, and created that huge fireball.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix4/Fireball-at-South-Tower.JPG

The first 767 tanker first flew in 2005. I doubt one of these was present in NYC on 911.

[mynameis]

The first 767 tanker first flew in 2005. I doubt one of these was present in NYC on 911.

Which country do you mean? I think these flew in Japan way earlier than the United States.

EDIT: Nope I got the order date confused. I think Japan ordered theirs in 2003 while Italy ordered theirs in 2001...

In July 2001, the Italian Air Force ordered four 767 tanker transports in the combi variant with deliveries scheduled to begin in mid-2008. The aircraft is designated B-767 and Alenia Aeronautica is assisting in development and production. The maiden flight of the first aircraft was in May 2005.

[stelios]

It doesnt matter when these planes entered commercial service clearly all the evidence points to the planes that crashed into the WTC being transport planes rather than passenger planes.
The planes were flown by remote control.
Whether it was a 767 or a similar plane is besides the point.

[frenat]

Which country do you mean? I think these flew in Japan way earlier than the United States.

EDIT: Nope I got the order date confused. I think Japan ordered theirs in 2003 while Italy ordered theirs in 2001...

They ordered theirs earlier which you already noted but the first tanker didn't fly until later. Doesn't rule out it being a cargo plane though.

[thelyran]

Many people who seen the 2nd plane hit, noticed that it had no Windows. So I done some searching and came across this plane

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc767/images/767tanker_1.jpg

The Plane above is a 767 Tanker. Now take a look at the 9/11 plane below.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/images/planepod-tilted_sharp.jpg

Is that a perfect match??

This could probably explain why the plane
was able to slice through the tower, and created that huge fireball.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix4/Fireball-at-South-Tower.JPG

Qasrose,since you are good at posting fine quality pictures,would you be so kind,to post pics of the 757 and 767 tankers and from the star-board (right-hand side) perspective,would really appreciate your time in doing this.Just hoping to find a protrusion running along side the lower fuselage.Thankyou in advance.

[shabun]

If it can be confirmed that it is tanker planes then it will be irrefutable proof that it was an inside job - no question - this would be the ultimate smoking gun.

Is it not possible to check how many tanker planes have been built by Boeing and sold to the military? Once we know that then it could be checked how many are still in existence? I think there can't be that many and if they all can be traced except two, then...............

[frenat]

If it can be confirmed that it is tanker planes then it will be irrefutable proof that it was an inside job - no question - this would be the ultimate smoking gun.

Is it not possible to check how many tanker planes have been built by Boeing and sold to the military? Once we know that then it could be checked how many are still in existence? I think there can't be that many and if they all can be traced except two, then...............

None have been delivered to the US military so far. They are still tied up in contract negotiations and may go with a different model. The only ones in existence fly with Italy and Japan.

I'm not sure why this is even still being considered though because the first 767 tanker didn't even fly until 2005, 3.5 years after 911.
from here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-767#Development_of_aircraft
Italy's aircraft became the first KC-767 to be assembled. The aircraft are initially built as 767-200ER commercial airplanes, then flown to a separate facility for conversion into tankers. Italy's first aircraft made its maiden flight on 21 May 2005,

[lightgiver]

None have been delivered to the US military so far. They are still tied up in contract negotiations and may go with a different model. The only ones in existence fly with Italy and Japan.

I'm not sure why this is even still being considered though because the first 767 tanker didn't even fly until 2005, 3.5 years after 911.
from here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-767#Development_of_aircraft

that rules that type of plane out ;)

List of military aircraft of the United States

Tanker

* KA-3 Skywarrior - Douglas
* KA-6 Intruder - Grumman
* KC-10 Extender - McDonnell Douglas
* KB-29 Superfortress - Boeing
* KC-45 - Northrop Grumman(cancled)
* KB-47 Stratojet - Boeing
* KB-50 Superfortress - Boeing
* KC-97 Stratotanker - Boeing
* KC-130 Hercules - Lockheed
* KC-135 Stratotanker - Boeing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_United_States

[frenat]

that rules that type of plane out ;)

List of military aircraft of the United States

Tanker

* KA-3 Skywarrior - Douglas
* KA-6 Intruder - Grumman
* KC-10 Extender - McDonnell Douglas
* KB-29 Superfortress - Boeing
* KC-45 - Northrop Grumman(cancled)
* KB-47 Stratojet - Boeing
* KB-50 Superfortress - Boeing
* KC-97 Stratotanker - Boeing
* KC-130 Hercules - Lockheed
* KC-135 Stratotanker - Boeing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_United_States

Most of those are not in use anymore. The tankers in use now are mostly KC-135s based on the 707, KC-10s based on a DC-10, and KC-130s based on the C-130 (used to refuel slower moving aircraft like helicopters). None of those could be mistaken for a 767. The KC-135 is four engine and narrow body. The KC-10 is 3 engine wide body, and the KC-130 is 4 engine turboprop. The others on the list have been long retired and also would not ever be mistaken for a 767.

If the plan calls for a commercial 767 and a commercial 767 has to go missing, why not just use a commercial 767, specifically the ones that have to go missing?

[lightgiver]

Most of those are not in use anymore. The tankers in use now are mostly KC-135s based on the 707, KC-10s based on a DC-10, and KC-130s based on the C-130 (used to refuel slower moving aircraft like helicopters). None of those could be mistaken for a 767. The KC-135 is four engine and narrow body. The KC-10 is 3 engine wide body, and the KC-130 is 4 engine turboprop. The others on the list have been long retired and also would not ever be mistaken for a 767.

If the plan calls for a commercial 767 and a commercial 767 has to go missing, why not just use a commercial 767, specifically the ones that have to go missing?

I look forward to your future posts;)

[keystone]

None have been delivered to the US military so far. They are still tied up in contract negotiations and may go with a different model. The only ones in existence fly with Italy and Japan.

And they won't be delivered either. The procurement was cancelled in Sept 08 after Boeing creating an enormous fuss over the contract originally being given to an A330 derivative to repace the KC135s. Boeing was going to be allowed to rebid but then they cancelled the whole shebang. Project won't be ressurected until FY10 -15.

Japan and Italy have taken 8 units between them.

[keystone]

If the plan calls for a commercial 767 and a commercial 767 has to go missing, why not just use a commercial 767, specifically the ones that have to go missing?Indeed.

[dangermouse]

Keep on posting that website, because it's loaded with SPAM.
and is full of crap ass images, that I wouldn't even use as bog paper.

u mean blog paper ^^ :D
I agree and pointing out stills from 2 different time frames doesnt resolve much is blatant deception and morally corrupt.

[lightgiver]

u mean blog paper ^^ :D
I agree and pointing out stills from 2 different time frames doesnt resolve much is blatant deception and morally corrupt.

A bit slow arent you,95 posts in,how about any positive comments about all the other links:confused: i could name a few shitty links myself but i try to stay positive,i would prefer the negative comments for the real perpetrators of this crime,and i thought we were all on the same side,i must be wrong again.
I plan to follow my own direction.BYE BYE:p
It must be negative Monday blues,must be something in the air,chem trails or BS.
Yeah, morally corrupt like TPTB.
BTW,sorry the link is not up to your standards.

[dangermouse]

A bit slow arent you,95 posts in,how about any positive comments about all the other links:confused: i could name a few shitty links myself but i try to stay positive,i would prefer the negative comments for the real perpetrators of this crime,and i thought we were all on the same side,i must be wrong again.
I plan to follow my own direction.BYE BYE:p
It must be negative Monday blues,must be something in the air,chem trails or BS.
Yeah, morally corrupt like TPTB.
BTW,sorry the link is not up to your standards.

I usually try to keep out of the plane/no plane debates but
http://612ua.0catch.com/_webimages/2087-w.jpg

http://612ua.0catch.com/_webimages/pavelw.jpg


These are from different points in the approach

[keystone]

@ dangermouse

secret images?

[lightgiver]

I usually try to keep out of the plane/no plane debates but
http://612ua.0catch.com/_webimages/2087-w.jpg

http://612ua.0catch.com/_webimages/pavelw.jpg


These are from different points in the approach

Thanks goodness:D:D

I like to research all info,and provide links then people can separate the wheat from the chaff,and there is a lot of wheat and there is a lot of chaff.
and that includes positions of power,just a shame we have such weak people at the top who know what is going on and have no courage or strength to take on these evil tyrants ie the elites,that's why now i have no respect whatsoever for the system and the lackeys who prop it up,they are all implicit.Looks like its gonna be down to the common folk to sort this mess out,and do not expect any help from the sheeple.

[mynameis]

@ dangermouse

secret images?

I think the server they are hosted on is not letting the pictures load off site. I would composite them together, but I won't, I'll just describe them. One is the Pavela Halva shot of the 2nd plane, his name is spelled correctly. The other is the picture of the low flying shot before the plane strikes the tower, passing the rooftops in Manhattan taken from another angle. Both pictures corroborate the plane's trajectory and path.

[dangermouse]

I think the server they are hosted on is not letting the pictures load off site. I would composite them together, but I won't, I'll just describe them. One is the Pavela Halva shot of the 2nd plane, his name is spelled correctly. The other is the picture of the low flying shot before the plane strikes the tower, passing the rooftops in Manhattan taken from another angle. Both pictures corroborate the plane's trajectory and path.

yeps seems like they dont want me pointing out the obvious ^^ (just kidding)
and thanks for the description :D . Thats how I see it too

[lightgiver]

Most of those are not in use anymore. The tankers in use now are mostly KC-135s based on the 707, KC-10s based on a DC-10, and KC-130s based on the C-130 (used to refuel slower moving aircraft like helicopters). None of those could be mistaken for a 767. The KC-135 is four engine and narrow body. The KC-10 is 3 engine wide body, and the KC-130 is 4 engine turboprop. The others on the list have been long retired and also would not ever be mistaken for a 767.

If the plan calls for a commercial 767 and a commercial 767 has to go missing, why not just use a commercial 767, specifically the ones that have to go missing?

I came across this,
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_milestones.html

[stealth]

What was the strange anomoly on the underside of one of the planes,could it be one of these.:eek: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=781_1227458806&p=1

[gribz]

You are contradicting yourself. A hologram cannot be a missile and cannot be a plane and cannot be projected based on imaginary technology. This kind of thing would be like saying the chicken came before the egg, or because sunlight exists and we can make lasers then death star's laser, a planet killer, must be real.

Dont know how you come to the conclusion about contradicting myself. Couldnt they hologram the wings onto a real missile?

Im saying i think it was a grey windowless jet like the picture BUT im open to other suggestions.

The one thing that rules out holograms of full plane for me is they would have likely caught it on cameras better trying to convonce more people