Russia And China

[ownedtbh]

ok this is one thing i am totally unsure about. i just want to know what you guys think about it.


do you think russia and/or china are part of the "elite" or do you think they are there own power?

[deany]

I think if you look at China this is their ideal scenario for ALL of us, total control of everything we do pretty much.

also if you take a look at how their treatment of the Tibetan people has been totally ignored by other countries that to me suggests they are a big part of the plan.

Russia also I am sure is in the game.
chek out the antichrist by Chris Everard for a bit of info on China/Tibet.

[dorrax]

Not sure bout russia but china are DEFFO!!!!!

look at em, they resrict websites

[equitibile]

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/english/200104/05/eng20010405_66910.html

The Chinaman will see Maitreya. The Russian will see Maitreya. They will see, they will believe, and they will be born again into a new world.

[chris]

ok this is one thing i am totally unsure about. i just want to know what you guys think about it.


do you think russia and/or china are part of the "elite" or do you think they are there own power?

It's difficult...When Putin got in, he started to kick out highly powerful Rothschild agents. As for China, I don't know but it looks like they are on different sides. At least until you get to extremely high levels.

[steevo]

ok this is one thing i am totally unsure about. i just want to know what you guys think about it.


do you think russia and/or china are part of the "elite" or do you think they are there own power?

I wish I knew the answer to that question. I ticked the box "I dont know".

I hope I am wrong but I suspect that both Russia and China are run by the "Elite" too :(

[realfake]

I reckon they are all singing from the same hymn sheet. The elite baked this bloody pie, and I doubt their insatiable appetite for power would allow anyone outside of their little club to get their fingers in where it really counts.

However, I will still have to sit on the fence and go with 'I don't know' as I could be completely wrong :eek:

[alfrmo]

I posted yes, China with it's total control, state fascism and media control combined with child labour and human rights abuses. Russia run by corrupt mafia-backed oligarchs, once again feeling it's feet militarily, in order to play out the next chapter of the game. The situation with the Ukraine could well pan out very interestingly, with the Ukrainian Gov wanting Russian Navy removed from Sevastapol. Also very interesting how Germany and France suck up to Russia at present, I wonder what they would do if ex- Soviet controlled baltic states were invaded? I have no doubt that Britain and U.S. Governments are quite envious of the control and oppression within these countries. I firmly believe they are all in it together, and it will indeed culminate in their end-game.

[mv8800]

russia is deffo in on it. i remember hearing a cd by a guy called fagen that said the rothschilds had the tsar of russia and his family killed for ruining the first attempt at setting up the league of nations(united nations part 1).

[lightgiver]

Just goes to show that the Chinese and Russian masses are just as gullible as the western masses,sheep are sheep were ever you go,it just some baaaaa more than others;)

OOO BAAAAAA MA:D:D

[xpleet]

Every and any government is governed by alien masters.

[detroit313]

China will not be ruled by white man, ever. Are you people insane? Why do you think they build that big ass wall after sailing around the world looking for civilization?

You barbarians, you paganists. White people will never understand the people of China. Unless you would come and visit this magnificent country. See it with your own eyes, then make up your mind. 5000 year of continous civilization for you to enjoy!

Long live China, The N.W.O. destroyer!

P.S. Russia is suspicious though

[synergy777]

every govt is owned, they own everything. lets be real, its the elite, the ones who own all the resources, control the info, operate the organised religion/new age . the lower ranks do not know about, or just keep quiet as they need the job/money.

[astro zombie]

If it's true they don't spray Chemtrails in China, then that says alot. It would seem China is getting set up to be the next superpower of the world.

[haukipesukone]

Of course the goverments of China and Russia are puppets of the same powers that control all the other nations as well.


Yesterday I watched the South Park episode where Cartman is worried about the China problem, Chinese taking over everything and all that. Do youb know whether it is really a common sentiment? Are people really worried about China?

The goverment is what it is, but having met lots of Chinese people I can't fathom why anybody would be scared of the Chinese. Some of the Chinese I know are truly wonderful and unique people. Others are as boring or annoying as everyone else.

[bulgariaole]

you have to wonder, why in China's economy suddenly emerging so fast? Why is everything made there when there are many other countries with just as cheap laborforce? I think they are MADE, to be powerful, so that Russia has a good buddy in WW3 and the sides are even:) Russia, iran, china,india vs US, EU

[detroit313]

every govt is owned, they own everything. lets be real, its the elite, the ones who own all the resources, control the info, operate the organised religion/new age . the lower ranks do not know about, or just keep quiet as they need the job/money.

Spreading fear and all, you are great, we need more people turning mosquitos into elephants!!!! If this entire world is superdupermegaturbo evil then why arent we calling earth hell?

You have been reading to much conspiracy stuff lad and now believe yellow man will be ruled by white man. These words can only come from someone who does not understand yellow man.

In about 10 years from now i will point and laugh at you people. No WWIII. One happy loving world coming up.

[haukipesukone]

Spreading fear and all, you are great, we need more people turning mosquitos into elephants!!!! If this entire world is superdupermegaturbo evil then why arent we calling earth hell?

You have been reading to much conspiracy stuff lad and now believe yellow man will be ruled by white man. These words can only come from someone who does not understand yellow man.

In about 10 years from now i will point and laugh at you people. No WWIII. One happy loving world coming up.

The yellow man is ruled by an ideology made by white man.

Hrmpf, why do I bother. Are you honestly claiming that the Chinese government isn't as bad as other governments?

Are you serious? Even the way you write is so artificial.

[anthony65]

Just goes to show that the Chinese and Russian masses are just as gullible as the western masses,sheep are sheep were ever you go,it just some baaaaa more than others;)

OOO BAAAAAA MA:D:D

The Russian and Chinese masses have been slaughtered in their tens of millions.... :(

There may be different puppets fighting each other (or just pretending to fight?), but the top of the pyramid gives room for no dissent.

However.... :)

The bad guys are all losers....

[anthony65]

you have to wonder, why in China's economy suddenly emerging so fast? Why is everything made there when there are many other countries with just as cheap laborforce? I think they are MADE, to be powerful, so that Russia has a good buddy in WW3 and the sides are even:) Russia, iran, china,india vs US, EU

They were helped by the USA I think...

I seem to remember reading somewhere about how there was going to be a massive scandal in Clinton's Presidency, something about selling state of the art military technology or at least cutting edge high-tech, to the Chinese.

http://cassandra2004.blogspot.com/2005/06/clintons-china-and-scandal-that-we.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_199903/ai_n8840758

http://www.taiwandc.org/wp-9906.htm

Lies About China
By Michael Kelly (published in the Washington Post)
Thursday, March 11, 1999; Page A31

President Clinton's China policy, a mess of corruption and carelessness and naivete, is collapsing under the weight of its own fraudulence, exposing the nation Clinton calls America's "strategic partner" as a threat to America's security and a thief of America's nuclear secrets, and exposing also the president and senior administration officials for their efforts to minimize and hide this unwelcome fact.

For the past six years, the White House has lied about China. It pretended, against all evidence, that the People's Republic was sincere in its promises to curb its persecution of democrats, Catholic priests, Tibetan monks, pregnant women and other enemies of the people. It pretended that China was sincere also in its promises to curb its spread of weapons of mass destruction. It pretended not to understand that China regarded the United States as enemy number one in its campaign to achieve regional dominance, particularly over Taiwan.

The days of pretense are dwindling down to a precious few. In February the PLA installed perhaps as many as 100 ballistic missiles on the Chinese coast opposite Taiwan. That led to new calls in Congress that the United States proceed with a plan to erect a theater missile defense system protecting Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.

In the first week of March, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright went to Beijing and attempted to appease Chinese fury over the threat that the United States would defend Taiwan against missile attack. The Washington Post quoted a senior Chinese official as saying Albright, in her private meetings, had "tried to 'pacify' " China, telling officials, "Please don't worry, don't overreact," and assuring them that it would take the United States a decade to put any missile defense system in place. For her troubles, Albright won sneers and threats. "If some people intend to include Taiwan under theater-missile defense, that would amount to an encroachment on China's sovereignty and territorial integrity," said Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan.

Meanwhile, the New York Times, elaborating on earlier stories in the Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post, gave front-page play to a bombshell.

In April 1996, Energy Department officials informed Samuel Berger, then Clinton's deputy national security adviser, that Notra Trulock, the department's chief of intelligence, had uncovered evidence that showed China had learned how to miniaturize nuclear bombs, allowing for smaller, more lethal missile warheads. And it appeared that the Chinese had gained that knowledge through the efforts of a spy at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. Berger was told the spy might be still in place.

The White House took no action. In April 1997 the FBI recommended measures to tighten security at the laboratories. No action. In July 1997 Trulock and other Energy Department officials gave Berger a fuller briefing, and Berger in turn briefed Clinton.

But Trulock's warning came at an awkward time. The administration was on the verge of the 1997 "strategic partnership" summit with Beijing. It was also facing congressional investigations into charges that the People's Republic had illegally funneled money into the 1996 Clinton-Gore campaign. Very awkward, really.

So Berger buried the embarrassment. He assigned National Security staffer Gary Samore to look into things, and Samore asked the CIA to come up with a theory of the case other than Trulock's. The CIA dutifully reported that Trulock's analysis was an unsupported "worst-case" scenario, and Samore dutifully told Berger that no one could really say where the truth lay.

Wen Ho Lee, the suspected spy, beavered on at Los Alamos. Leisurely, the security council prepared a new plan to tighten security at the labs. Leisurely, finally, in February 1998, Clinton formally ordered the reforms into effect. Curiously, Energy Secretary Federico Pena never followed the order. The reforms were not instituted until Bill Richardson, Pena's successor, did so in October 1998 -- 30 months after Trulock's first warning, 18 months after the full alarm, nine months after Clinton's directive.

In the meantime, the administration did everything it could to keep things buried. The Times reports that the House Intelligence Committee asked Trulock for a briefing in July 1998. Trulock asked for permission from Elizabeth Moler, then acting energy secretary. According to Trulock, Moler told him not to brief the committee because the information might be used against Clinton's China policy. Moler told the Times she doesn't recall this.

The White House's secret would have remained secret had it not been for a select investigative committee headed by Republican Rep. Christopher Cox. Cox's committee unearthed a pattern of more than two decades of Chinese nuclear spying, including the Los Alamos case. The secret leaked. On March 8, Richardson fired Wen Ho Lee.

Yet still the White House seeks to hide what truth it can. A declassified version of the Cox committee's 800-page bipartisan report is scheduled to be released late this month -- happily enough, just days before a Washington visit by China's prime minister. The White House is waging a desperate rear-guard campaign to force the Republicans to redact evidence about the administration's suspiciously deleterious approach to the Los Alamos spy case and also evidence suggesting linkage between Clinton's China policy reversal and campaign contributions from parties desiring that reversal.

But these tactics will probably fail. An angered Republican leadership is considering taking the matter to the full House, where an unexpurgated report could be voted out over Democratic objections. Good. Let a thousand flowers bloom.



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