People without souls?

[rhydra]

Most days when I'm in contact with people I move around, talk to people,I see them walking around, going about their business, enjoying their leisure yet, there is something about them.

What it seems to be is that they lack something, they seem empty, as if they are trained to work, enjoy themselves, communicate among themselves but they seem somehow, empty. I can't put my finger on it but I would speculate that most people don't have souls, do they have concious thoughts?

Are they indeed, sentient?

I hear about people dismissing the sentience and intelligence of other, non human animals, by explaining away the "Evidence" of such intelligence as training and learning "tricks."

Could that be what most humans, apart from those of us who are reading this, really are? Beasts with larger brains, not built for abstract thought and creative ideas, but observing from their peers and "superiors" the means to fit in with a society, a community and join in a collective intelligence, a heard instinct, in order to survive.

There is the illusion of intelligence but inside, there is no real thought, no ideas, merely the processing of information waiting for trigger words, cues to carry out a certain task in a certain way according to whatever situation applies.

Maybe the only ones who are not the rule, who are the exception are those of us who have broken away from the herd and trodden or own path. For better or for worse.

It could be an explanation why people have not "awoken" as there is nothing to awake. Am I being too cynical?

[armoured_amazon]

All living human people have souls.

[lordzoma]

No you're not being cynical, you're becoming more aware.

Yes - All living people have souls

BUT

The MAJORITY of the population of the planet

are souls that are incarnations of the PLANETARY SPIRIT.

Different people have different souls, and that means they come from different places.

If you're on earth your soul is one of 4 things

1: A Planetary Spirit incarnation. (Minion) Seem empty. Believe in whatever the majority believe in, via hundred monkey syndrome. Cannot astrally travel. Virtually impossible to wake up unless the majority is awake. Identify strongly with particular animals.

2: A Sequential Higher Self (Alien). Has full knowledge of billions of years. Masquerades as a human but is in fact NOT HUMAN AT ALL. May be a human, but if so then the soul is a walk-in (replacement). May exhibit shapeshifting tendencies. Supports an agenda.

3: Window of Opportunity One-Shotter (Alien Ray-Child). Has very very limited knowledge of their billions of years memory. Retains massive skill sets and talents from previous existence. Seems way more knowledgable and all knowing at a much younger age.

4: Simultaneous Higher Self (Earther Human). Used to be Sequential but has joined the simultaneous game. Has no prior knowledge of past lives. Is on a varied level of spiritual advancement. You and me.

[particlezen]

http://montalk.net/notes/organic-portals

[fayette]

i think they are just newer souls. the older your soul becomes the more awake you become.

[lordzoma]

That doesn't apply because time is not linear. Your 'older' soul may be backwards in time.

Besides the whole concept of saying 'newer and older' souls implies everyone has the same type of soul. Which they don't.

[rhydra]

I have thought about the walk-in in the past, however, many of the things I thought of in the past seem to fit together, some of the dreams and astral vision things.

[tootrue]

Most days when I'm in contact with people I move around, talk to people,I see them walking around, going about their business, enjoying their leisure yet, there is something about them.

What it seems to be is that they lack something, they seem empty, as if they are trained to work, enjoy themselves, communicate among themselves but they seem somehow, empty. I can't put my finger on it but I would speculate that most people don't have souls, do they have concious thoughts?

Are they indeed, sentient?

I hear about people dismissing the sentience and intelligence of other, non human animals, by explaining away the "Evidence" of such intelligence as training and learning "tricks."

Could that be what most humans, apart from those of us who are reading this, really are? Beasts with larger brains, not built for abstract thought and creative ideas, but observing from their peers and "superiors" the means to fit in with a society, a community and join in a collective intelligence, a heard instinct, in order to survive.

There is the illusion of intelligence but inside, there is no real thought, no ideas, merely the processing of information waiting for trigger words, cues to carry out a certain task in a certain way according to whatever situation applies.

Maybe the only ones who are not the rule, who are the exception are those of us who have broken away from the herd and trodden or own path. For better or for worse.

It could be an explanation why people have not "awoken" as there is nothing to awake. Am I being too cynical?

I think I know what you mean!

[sweheretic]

personally I'd bet it's just the zombie-ness that's affecting it. have felt the same all too often, but when they awake they regain their fullness to a degree.

guess we have to wait them buggers out ;)

[mauviene]

You have to earn your soul

[awakensong]

In addition to the Organic Portal theory, as well as to the theory lordzoma put forth - both of which I think are very possible - there is also the devolving soul. They do choose the dark path sometimes deliberately.

I have come to my own theory that there are those who are "e"volving, those who are "de"volving, and those who are "re"volving until they decide whether they will go upwards or downwards.

[awakensong]

No you're not being cynical, you're becoming more aware.

Yes - All living people have souls

BUT

The MAJORITY of the population of the planet

are souls that are incarnations of the PLANETARY SPIRIT.

Different people have different souls, and that means they come from different places.

If you're on earth your soul is one of 4 things

1: A Planetary Spirit incarnation. (Minion) Seem empty. Believe in whatever the majority believe in, via hundred monkey syndrome. Cannot astrally travel. Virtually impossible to wake up unless the majority is awake. Identify strongly with particular animals.

2: A Sequential Higher Self (Alien). Has full knowledge of billions of years. Masquerades as a human but is in fact NOT HUMAN AT ALL. May be a human, but if so then the soul is a walk-in (replacement). May exhibit shapeshifting tendencies. Supports an agenda.

3: Window of Opportunity One-Shotter (Alien Ray-Child). Has very very limited knowledge of their billions of years memory. Retains massive skill sets and talents from previous existence. Seems way more knowledgable and all knowing at a much younger age.

4: Simultaneous Higher Self (Earther Human). Used to be Sequential but has joined the simultaneous game. Has no prior knowledge of past lives. Is on a varied level of spiritual advancement. You and me.
I just read this again more carefully, and it seems like someone's findings that make sense to them in particular. I would add that there are many different worlds we could have come from, and that our cosmic origins can be vastly different. Some are here briefly as part of their evolution, but that doesn't make them a "Ray-Child". I think there is a 5th category that has been missed.

[haukipesukone]

I think they are separated from their souls. They believe in society and its hollow mass entertainment lies, job stress and all that crap. They have lost themselves due to this artificial ideological anti-spiritual prison.

There is probably a way to wake them, but the only way I see is to inflict lots of pain upon them and destroy their illusory little world. That could yet make them worse.

[awakensong]

There are more humans alive today than at any other time in known history. It is apparent that the majority are young, inexperienced souls, and many act like "animals" because of this.

I believe in the One Mind/ Spirit/ Consciousness through which we are all connected, but then I believe the Soul is an individual creation for self-expression, and must be evolved and grown through many incarnations.

It is said that those who have been here through many incarnations and are ready to do so, will graduate from 3D to 4D. Perhaps this is an event which 2012 includes, and there are those who have already graduated, which I've read so much is now an individual instead of a group process. Those who are new here, or are not ready to move on, will stay in 3D to further evolve their soul.

[lordzoma]

There are more humans alive today than at any other time in known history. It is apparent that the majority are young, inexperienced souls, and many act like "animals" because of this.

I believe in the One Mind/ Spirit/ Consciousness through which we are all connected, but then I believe the Soul is an individual creation for self-expression, and must be evolved and grown through many incarnations.

It is said that those who have been here through many incarnations and are ready to do so, will graduate from 3D to 4D. Perhaps this is an event which 2012 includes, and there are those who have already graduated, which I've read so much is now an individual instead of a group process. Those who are new here, or are not ready to move on, will stay in 3D to further evolve their soul.

You're thinking LINEARLY.

NEW/YOUNG does not necessarily come later down the line, and may come at any point. You can be OLDER in the past.

The reason they act like animals, is not because they are young, but because they literally ARE animals that have incarnated as humans.

Any non-minion(animal) schmuck who does goes to 4d. Graduation event brings you to 5d and higher.

Graduation does not come at a specific point where everyone does it together. Graduation happens when one's final incarnation dies, no matter what time period they are in.

The upcoming 'huge' graduation is a graduation for the planet and any finals that may still be alive when that happens. When that occurs, all life on earth will end.

[marpat]

Most days when I'm in contact with people I move around, talk to people,I see them walking around, going about their business, enjoying their leisure yet, there is something about them.

What it seems to be is that they lack something, they seem empty, as if they are trained to work, enjoy themselves, communicate among themselves but they seem somehow, empty. I can't put my finger on it but I would speculate that most people don't have souls, do they have concious thoughts?

Are they indeed, sentient?

I hear about people dismissing the sentience and intelligence of other, non human animals, by explaining away the "Evidence" of such intelligence as training and learning "tricks."

Could that be what most humans, apart from those of us who are reading this, really are? Beasts with larger brains, not built for abstract thought and creative ideas, but observing from their peers and "superiors" the means to fit in with a society, a community and join in a collective intelligence, a heard instinct, in order to survive.

There is the illusion of intelligence but inside, there is no real thought, no ideas, merely the processing of information waiting for trigger words, cues to carry out a certain task in a certain way according to whatever situation applies.

Maybe the only ones who are not the rule, who are the exception are those of us who have broken away from the herd and trodden or own path. For better or for worse.

It could be an explanation why people have not "awoken" as there is nothing to awake. Am I being too cynical?

You mean you think of them in such a way because they do not believe as you do, therefore you feel them to be asleep.

Many people in the forum talk of being awakened but what have they done with their new-found power of awakening? I dont see them having some massive impact upon the public consciousness but instead they just praise each other in the forum for being one of the in crowd.

They are as much alive and living as you are. To treat them any less is to start implying you are superior to them, that they are lesser people.

Many of those 'empty' people lead full lives, just not the way you want to see it.

[rhydra]

I certainly don't feel in any way superior, I don't feel that. In a way I feel in some way different, I don't have a lot in common, interests, hobbies, someone can talk to me about that their interests are, I just can't be interested though I don't let on, probably quite good at sounding interested as I hate offending folk!
But I just feel there is a difference.

[marpat]

I certainly don't feel in any way superior, I don't feel that. In a way I feel in some way different, I don't have a lot in common, interests, hobbies, someone can talk to me about that their interests are, I just can't be interested though I don't let on, probably quite good at sounding interested as I hate offending folk!
But I just feel there is a difference.

It is easy to condition yourself to see things differently. Years ago I started working with the idea that everything is maya, illusion, as per the eastern texts. Within a short period I began to feel that the environment was like some stage cast which had lost its sense of reality. The world didnt change just how I looked at it.

I lack common ground with most people but I do not think they are soul less. I do feel that I am quite different but why I dont know.

[lordzoma]

They are not soulless, and the reason you dont' know why, is because you haven't come across the material I have referenced. Pay closer attention and you will find yourself following a path of information you have not seen.

[belladonna]

You have to earn your soul
So are you saying that until you 'earn' your soul you don't have one?? Because this is not true.

[size_of_light]

No such thing as a soul to begin with, but if you mean to ask: are some people less worthy than yourself, then the answer is no, they are just as worthy as you are, whether you see it or not.

Once you buy into the idea that some people aren't really people at all, you block a little part of your own potential to love all beings and also open up dangerous and deluded territories of your own mind that will eagerly justify exploiting and abusing others because 'they're not real'.

If someone else announced that you were 'soulless' after having assessed your behaviour against their criteria for ownership of a 'soul' , you would rightfully laugh at them.

[lordzoma]

size of light is completely wrong here.

Of course people have a 'soul'. The word soul represents the etheric energy body that incarnates your physical form.

Are some people (worthy is a bad word) superior to others? Absolutely. Individual incarnations are DIFFERENT. Some are more spiritually advanced than others. This means some are superior to others. Ultimately though, these individual pieces are part of their larger self, and higher selves are equal to one another. So while the individual incarnation may be superior to another, their true selves are equal.

[size_of_light]

size of light is completely wrong here.

Of course people have a 'soul'. The word soul represents the etheric energy body that incarnates your physical form.

Are some people (worthy is a bad word) superior to others? Absolutely. Individual incarnations are DIFFERENT. Some are more spiritually advanced than others. This means some are superior to others. Ultimately though, these individual pieces are part of their larger self, and higher selves are equal to one another. So while the individual incarnation may be superior to another, their true selves are equal.

If 'soul' is shorthand for 'what you are' then I'll run with 'soul'.

It might sound pedantic, but on a more profound level, I disagree with you that any thing incarnates at all, but that's a discussion for another thread perhaps.

Since you said 'their true selves are equal', we're otherwise in agreement.