What is the affect of David Icke books on people?

[december]

It seems to me that most of the people after reading Icke books turn into some kind of do nothing I Love You - You Love Me Barney dinosaurs...

Barney says - "Hey look - there is bloody war in Iraq and Afghanistan going on right now, but all we need to do is express Infinite Love...

:o

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[december]

Do you agree with me?

[roxanna222]

I dont agree with you and too tired to point out why. Though from certain threads on the forum Ive noticed a silliness trend that well is just to nicey for my liking and interests. So can maybe see where you get that from. Note Barney the reptile designed to familiarize the children to it? Cheers

[tinmenace]

December, you are locked into a different wavelength and it doesn't seem to me that you're able (or willing) to tap into the love that most people here are feeling and expressing.

Do you not believe in quantum thinking? Do you not believe that you are able to create reality with your thoughts? Some call it the Laws of Attraction, some call it Consciousness, some call it Infinite Love...

This is what is going on here. This 5-senses 3D experience we're having is just temporary. There is (and has been) a whole journey concerning only your consciousness/soul/oneness.

If like-minded people all manifest love, it does change the vibration of the planet and its inhabitants...and ultimately reality.

I think you have a little bit of catching up to do. ;)

[limelady]

Do you agree with me?

No!

Why?

Because making blanket statements about how David Icke's work effects people is really a pointless thing to do....and this thread is a pointless exercise in that your belief/statements can NEVER be proven.

Why again?

Because EVERYBODY starts from a different place in understanding when they review David Ickes's material for the first time. After reading his material, each person ends end up in a different place as a result of adding or subtracting new or old understandings to their prior understanding.

So with all due respect december, perhaps you could answer a few questions for us?

What are you hoping to achieve by this thread?

Division perhaps?

Are you here to deliberately discredit the work of David Icke?

If so, why is this so important to you?

Are you on a mission december?

[gordonfreeman]

No. I don't agree.

Are you okay? It seems that something is troubling you.

David Icke worked hard to expose the Conspiracy to reveal the Truth. He told us that his spirit went to the spirit world which the 5th dimension. He explain that a positive female spirit express her comment about David Icke's mission that he will guide the world back to the light and end the evil control on Earth. Then, he woke up and begin to give long speeches about the NWO, Matrix, and Reptilians, he told the public, then he was ridicule, mocked, and laughed at. But, many people began to understand what is a happening on this very world right now. Most of them respect him, people get along with him, because he is a nice guy. Others say it is bullshit. Some say it is true. Most say it is weird.

Barney is evil TV show that messes up young children's minds.

OR you are just joking around.

[oceanwave]

OR you are just joking around.

my guess is that december is saying that some icke 'followers' are a joke...

...and december may well be right in that, as some followers usually are

...regardless, i might as well put up a thread "What are the effects of Pravda.ru articles on people?"

...and then posted the same blarney pics

...ain't black and white beyootiful?...

[graflok]

Do you agree with me?

Personally, I'm more into Infinite Sarcasm.

[aznality]

You are making an irrelevant comparison. What does war have anything to do with us anyway? Also, peaceful people usually have always been so. It has nothing to do with turning into whatever love creatures you are attempting to depict us into being.

[armoured saint]

Hehe. I usually dont agree with December and his agenda but in a funny but tragic way, he has some point...from a certain perspective. Of course, December's arm the third world policy is a load of bullshit in itself.

I have a problem with a certain perspective of 'Law Of Attraction' that people will weild to justify that people in troublespots around the world manifested this war intentionally. This is obviously ludicrous from a child's point of view who got themselves blown up playing with their ball in the yard.

To me, LOA seems to be some motivational program and I dont have a problem with that. Call it LOA or call it confidence, or something else that might deal with semantics of personal choice. The 'Law of The Jungle' remains and the predator will annihilate you or attempt to regardless of what your 'state of consciousness' is. How do we get out of this? Disappear and manifest on another plane of existance, or all change together.

December has written positive posts on David Icke before, so I dont think he has such a dark agenda against him that some might theorise here. As for the effects of David Icke books on people? Time will tell.

[eternal_spirit]

Don't think anyone here would join the military, Icke talks of Love and peace and lives it too, just like most of us on this Forum.

He exposes many mind contolling cults, without this knowlege some of us would of joined up to them long ago not knowing what they really are hiding behind a facade of nicery.

Icke's made me realise not to take everything at face value, to research and dig deeper. If I can't find logical anylitical facts that make sense, then use and trust my own intuition.

To see through the daily programming of the matrix and express you're true self, which may be hard to do with so many programmed people around you, but in the long run it makes you a better stronger character to choose to follow you're own mind regardless of what the others may say or think.

[earthseed]

Ha, his books make me more dark and pissed off not lovey dovey. Sorry I know you want to ruin him but you'll just have to try something more subtle.

[tinmenace]

Hehe. I usually dont agree with December and his agenda but in a funny but tragic way, he has some point...from a certain perspective. Of course, December's arm the third world policy is a load of bullshit in itself.

I have a problem with a certain perspective of 'Law Of Attraction' that people will weild to justify that people in troublespots around the world manifested this war intentionally. This is obviously ludicrous from a child's point of view who got themselves blown up playing with their ball in the yard.

To me, LOA seems to be some motivational program and I dont have a problem with that. Call it LOA or call it confidence, or something else that might deal with semantics of personal choice. The 'Law of The Jungle' remains and the predator will annihilate you or attempt to regardless of what your 'state of consciousness' is. How do we get out of this? Disappear and manifest on another plane of existance, or all change together.

December has written positive posts on David Icke before, so I dont think he has such a dark agenda against him that some might theorise here. As for the effects of David Icke books on people? Time will tell.

So, are you saying that you do not believe in Quantum thinking? It's been scientifically proven that the "observer" or a conscious being can collapse the wave formation and change the outcome of an event (experiment). So, how is this a motivational program? This is fact, and some of us are living it.

[armoured saint]

So, are you saying that you do not believe in Quantum thinking? It's been scientifically proven that the "observer" or a conscious being can collapse the wave formation and change the outcome of an event (experiment). So, how is this a motivational program? This is fact, and some of us are living it.

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'quantum thinking' and how it relates to quantum physics. I think that often, people get caught in semantics and misenterpret meanings that lead to much communication breakdown. I think this subject is a little beyond me so you would surely conclude that I am not qualified to comment.

You say that some are living this 'mystical' experience, I dont deny mysticism, but tell me exactly what it is you are able to do. Can you manipulate and alter physical objects? If this is so, than many people may have experiences that are labeled as 'miracles'. If this is the case then there should not be a problem with providing evidence.

Could you stroll down Baghdad and alter a possible fatal experience? Could you alter a jet fighters path or prevent stepping on a landmine? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

[auron]

Ultimately you are able to do anything you like, just like in a dream.

[satori zen]

Thought I hardly agree with December's take on this, I found many of Icke's middling period of publications to be over-heavy with negativity. I stopped reading them a quarter of the way through "children of the matrix". I've only just picked him back up on "Infinte Love".

I think much of his work during the negative period took people down a blind alley. But it's only my opinion.

[tinmenace]

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'quantum thinking' and how it relates to quantum physics. I think that often, people get caught in semantics and misenterpret meanings that lead to much communication breakdown. I think this subject is a little beyond me so you would surely conclude that I am not qualified to comment.


I believe you should do some catching up so that you can better understand what I'm talking about. I highly recommend that you read Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion
(http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=2)

Once you've read it AND comprehended it completely, then we can have this conversation again.

[sean]

I'm not so sure that Barney the Dino understands the laws of attraction, and the nature of reality.

You take what you will from David's books in my opinion. Where some researchers fall down, is the lack of depth they go into regarding the problems we face, and the limited scope of topics they cover.

Infinite love is another level or understanding, above the pointless and hopeless back and forth game of fighting something that cannot be won.

December, what is your solution to this game? To play it?

[them]

December has written positive posts on David Icke before, so I dont think he has such a dark agenda against him that some might theorise here...

December only challenges Icke where there is evidence to support a contrary view, his thread on the hollow earth (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2661) exemplifies his approach, doesn't it?

Accepting everything Icke say's as truth, just because it's him saying it, would suggest that his life's literary works are perfection. Without flaw.

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[december]

Well, so far nothing but personal attacks and emotional and close to be angry statements. :)

What some of you are doing is called psychological fascism. See "And the Truth Shall Set You Free" for more information...
Also, some people (as I actually expected) posted totally unrelated thoughts.
So, let's put your emotions aside, and try to find out where do MOST Icke books lead people to?...

And don't try to be a neo-Nazi... No more psychological fascism, please.

:)

OK...
Icke books..

Do they lead to some Wonderland just the way the New Testament leads to Paradise or do they make people to stand up and do something?

In case you wonder - my favorite books are - And the Truth Shall Set You Free and "Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster".

These book are the pills to WAKE UP.

However, some other books are the pills to FALL ASLEEP....

SO, WHAT'S YOUR PILL?

What's your favorite book?

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[tinmenace]

My post was not an attack. I think it's a pretty lame come-back from you to call it that. All that proves is that you are indeed unwilling to comprehend anything beyond this 5-senses trap you're caught up in.

Buuut....to each their own. All I ask is that you try not to criticize other people that find themselves further down the path of enlightenment than you are.

[auron]

SO, WHAT'S YOUR PILL?

What's your favorite book?



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[telana]

it seems that the affect for some is confusion but for the many it is freedom.

[december]

Thank you all for your posts. :)

I will answer to each post, but later...

But right now I'd like to remind you, guys, that this thread is about David Icke BOOKS.
This is a book discussion thread.

So...

Do Icke books lead to some Wonderland just the way the New Testament leads to Paradise or do they make people to stand up and do something?

In case you wonder - my favorite books are - And the Truth Shall Set You Free and "Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster".

These book are the pills to WAKE UP.

However, some other books are the pills to FALL ASLEEP....

SO, WHAT'S YOUR PILL?

What's your favorite book?

http://www.speakwell.com/well/2005spring/media/Take%20a%20Pill.jpg

[december]

it seems that the affect for some is confusion..

Hello, telana.
What do you find confusing and in which book?


...but for the many it is freedom.

I cannot speak for many, but I agree with you - the information in Icke books DOES make you feel that way.
The information really was suppressed for ages and Icke shows that we had been kept in the dark about so many things...

:)

[telana]

Nothing.It was a statement of my understanding of the affect of David Ikes books on people.

[i_am]

[b]Thank you all for your posts. :)

Do Icke books lead to some Wonderland just the way the New Testament leads to Paradise or do they make people to stand up and do something?

They hardly lead to wonderland. For those new to all of this stuff they throw their whole world into a spin.

Personally? All they did for me was fit in some of the pieces of the puzzle. I had most of the pieces and much of the puzzle but a few pieces were (and still are) missing or not a proper fit.

I don't believe they make anyone do anything. They are just information from the authors point of view after a lot of research. Is his view 100% the way it is? Possibly but then again possibly not. I have always taken what rings true, for me, and filed the rest for future reference. Some may do something, some may not. Most, who resonate with this information will at the very least, stand up and be counted. They will pass the knowledge on to others, they will join protests, sign petitions etc. These things, as a rule, make not one bit of difference to the agenda....yet. I believe, however, that when enough people resist their agenda it will collapse. So those of us who are speaking out and are able to convince others are doing their bit.

[limelady]

They hardly lead to wonderland. For those new to all of this stuff they throw their whole world into a spin.

Personally? All they did for me was fit in some of the pieces of the puzzle. I had most of the pieces and much of the puzzle but a few pieces were (and still are) missing or not a proper fit.

I don't believe they make anyone do anything. They are just information from the authors point of view after a lot of research. Is his view 100% the way it is? Possibly but then again possibly not. I have always taken what rings true, for me, and filed the rest for future reference. Some may do something, some may not. Most, who resonate with this information will at the very least, stand up and be counted. They will pass the knowledge on to others, they will join protests, sign petitions etc. These things, as a rule, make not one bit of difference to the agenda....yet. I believe, however, that when enough people resist their agenda it will collapse. So those of us who are speaking out and are able to convince others are doing their bit.

I concur 100% with this post. The Icke books were for me just more pieces of the puzzle, not the beginning nor the end of anything.

[tinmenace]

Exactly, Lime.

I find that the people that have NOT read David's books are always the ones that cannot comprehend that this is not a cult. There are no guidelines and rules. The only thing David asks is that you consider the information he presents with an open mind. What we do with that information is up to us. Take what you will and leave the rest behind, because enlightenment is a personal journey. We all process it differently and those of us that ARE on this path totally respect other truth-seekers even when we're not on the same page.

I just don't understand why that is so difficult for some to grasp?

[armoured saint]

I believe you should do some catching up so that you can better understand what I'm talking about. I highly recommend that you read Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion
(http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=2)

Once you've read it AND comprehended it completely, then we can have this conversation again.

I have purchased and read all of David Ickes books and I do like his work but when it comes to comprehending things and enlightenment, sadly, I have not read much that impresses me about yours and other moderators state of consciousness. No offence intended.

So, about the rest of my previous post. What is it that you can do? Wouldn't David Icke have the know how to manifest everything he needs in life including manifesting money without the need to chastise and criticize his readers? How about manifesting and avoiding court and legal costs?

I hope we can have this conversation again. I dont know what I would do if my arrogance wasn't up to your level.:D

[sean]

I haven't heard or read of David saying he has sucessfully perfected the art of manifesting all he needs.

[tinmenace]

I am a member of this forum with a right to express my views as I wish. Being a moderator does not deny me this right.

In your own words:

I think this subject is a little beyond me...

I have nothing further to say to you.

[armoured saint]

I am a member of this forum with a right to express my views as I wish. Being a moderator does not deny me this right.

In your own words:



I have nothing further to say to you.

I guess you are a little alien to the concept of humility.

The elite are also alien to the concept of humility too.

[i_am]

I have purchased and read all of David Ickes books and I do like his work but when it comes to comprehending things and enlightenment, sadly, I have not read much that impresses me about yours and other moderators state of consciousness. No offence intended.

I was not aware that this forum was about impressing anybody. I thought the purpose was to discuss things and share information. Other people's state of consciousness is their business, no-one elses. We have people here who have been on this path for many years. We have people who stumbled across information weeks ago. We are all at different levels. I don't think our level of understanding is relevant to moderating a forum.

So, about the rest of my previous post. What is it that you can do? Wouldn't David Icke have the know how to manifest everything he needs in life including manifesting money without the need to chastise and criticize his readers? How about manifesting and avoiding court and legal costs?

I hope we can have this conversation again. I dont know what I would do if my arrogance wasn't up to your level.:D

Most of us know the principals of manifestation but how many of us can let go of our perceptions, fears and the desire to control how, to actually put it into practice?

[john white]

Exactly, Lime.

I find that the people that have NOT read David's books are always the ones that cannot comprehend that this is not a cult. There are no guidelines and rules. The only thing David asks is that you consider the information he presents with an open mind. What we do with that information is up to us. Take what you will and leave the rest behind, because enlightenment is a personal journey. We all process it differently and those of us that ARE on this path totally respect other truth-seekers even when we're not on the same page.

I just don't understand why that is so difficult for some to grasp?

Of course I understand exactly where you are coming from tinmenace, but can I point out the answer to your Q is contained within your own post?

There are no guidelines and rules.

There's more than a fair share of humans for whom that is utterly terrifying:

Becuase they have come to believe that their inner guidlines and rules are who they are: when really they are just choices they have made

When the winds of change are blowing (and boy, they are starting to pick up!) letting go of the handrail can feel like suicide: but of course, we have to let go: in order to fly

And if we let go, might we not crash and smash ourselves to a bloody pulp?

Well yes we might (and yes we might not)

The joy of finding out is part of embracing this experiance

December:

Its an odd question: "what affect do Ickes books have on people": there is no one answer: everyone who reads one creates their own answer.

glad to hear you like TWSU3: don't forget this chapter:

(cont)

[john white]

(From "I Love you Doctor Kissinger")

Love

By love, I mean a much greater love than the emotional attachment and possession that so much 'love' on Earth has become. I don't mean "I love you if I fancy you, darling". Nor "I love you if what you do is acceptable to me, or if you conform to my idea of someone who deserves to be loved". I mean "I love you, whatever you do". It means to read this book and then say: I love you, Dr Kissinger. I love you David Rockefeller, George Bush and Bill Clinton.
That kind of love. Without condition or possession.

It is the love we have for our children. We don't always agree with what they do and say, but we love them just the same. If we can see each other in that light, the ills of this planet will fade away. With this unconditional love for self and each other, we would not produce economic arguments for why homeless people must sleep in the streets. The economic system would become subordinate to love and reflect that love. The idea that we would
allow one person to be without adequate shelter would be unthinkable. We would stop charging interest on money, remove the debt so far accumulated, and spend what was necessary, interest free, to build enough good quality homes for people to live in. The love in our hearts would accept nothing less.

We would dismantle the economic tyranny and encourage communities to take back the power over their lives, providing what is necessary for the benefit of people, not some Global Elite. Love would eliminate the pain and suffering we impose on the animal kingdom. We would recognise that the privileged minority on this planet cannot, with love, go on living off the backs of the Third World and then ease their conscience by putting a few pounds in a charity tin here and there. Love would insist that we withdraw from such economic dictatorship and allow those oppressed billions to live their lives for the benefit of themselves and not the multinational corporations. There would be no more CIA fascist coups to thwart elected governments determined to serve the needs of the people when love abounds in the collective human heart. Love would cease to cooperate with the present structures of global power and in doing so, it would show just how little power they really have. They only exist because we created them and because we continue to cooperate and bow to their will. The real power in a pyramid lies at the base, not the top. Nothing survives if it is not founded on love and the present structures of control will not survive. The governments we select in a world of love would reflect that desire to serve, to set free, and not impose. How many people today vote with love in their hearts? People vote, overwhelmingly, for what they believe is best, materially, for them in the short-term. That is the reality they create - governments which serve themselves, short-term self-interest, and not the interests of others.

We get what we vote for, because we get what we are feeling in our hearts when we, collectively, decide how to vote. If the human race voted out of love, it would attract and elect such people into government. It is no good hurling all the blame at politicians for what is happening in the world. Politicians can only get elected by telling people what they have been programmed to want to hear. What people want to hear is what is in it, materially, for them. The kind of politicians we elect are an exact reflection of
the collective attitudes which voted for them. When the collective human mind changes, so will the kind of politician we elect. Try getting elected on a policy of ending the Western dictatorship of the Third World which would affect the incomes and imports of the industrialised countries. No chance.

Only with love in the collective heart will that be possible. Power to the people with the power of love. Love for self will transform our lives, not least in the way we heal ourselves and others. Today, the medical services are controlled by the multinational drug companies. Sixty per cent of the US drug industry is owned by the Rockefellers alone. As a result, what claims to be state-of-the-art 'medicine' offers the scalpel or the drug in response to almost every ill. Both are motivated, at their controlling levels, by profit, not people. Wealth and not health. The infinite knowledge of healing in the world which understands how imbalances in our eternal selves create
physical dis-ease is kept out of 'official' medicine. The body-as-machine approach of Darwin and others is still the one taught in medical schools and hospitals. It has become so farcical, that a hospital doctor I once met treats the nurses with homeopathy, but cannot treat his patients in that way, except secretly, because the wrath of the official drug-company-controlled medical establishment would be brought down upon him. Millions die of cancer while many cures are suppressed. If you can't sell it at a vast profit under contract to a drug company, every effort is made to destroy methods of healing that would remove the so called "incurable" diseases of today. There are no incurable diseases. Every one is caused by an energy imbalance - an imbalance that can be returned to harmony and, in doing so, the body returned to health. This is happening every day outside the medical
establishment. Love for self will insist on taking back power over our own bodies. The drug companies dominate because the human race has, largely, handed over control of the body to doctors and pharmacists. It is an expression, yet again, of the way humans look outside themselves for answers. We look outside for confirmation that we are ok; for someone else to blame when something goes wrong; and for the answers to our discomfort when our body is ill. The answers for all three are inside us, in our view of ourselves. Self-hatred and frustration leads to cancer and heart disease, and every other ill can be linked to a mental, emotional, or spiritual imbalance, all of which can be corrected. As we begin to love ourselves and let go of the fears, guilts, and resentments accumulated over the years and the aeons of time, disease in the world will plummet. The cause of it will have diminished. We will see the illness that does occur as a sign of something amiss inside us. We will then address that, and think ourselves well again. Our physical dis-ease is also the result of our inner dis-ease, the magnetic pattern our thoughts create.

Love is not just a word. It is the power that holds creation together. It is the power that holds us together and, as we can see, whenever love is missing, a life, or a world, simply falls apart.


(ps: General tip for all: Always read the back section of an Icke book even if you dont read the whole thing all the way through!)

[tinmenace]

Yes, you are correct. :)

Thank you, John. You make a lot of sense.


When the winds of change are blowing (and boy, they are starting to pick up!)

Oh boy, are they ever! Whewwwweee!

[john white]

Yes, you are correct. :)

Thank you, John. You make a lot of sense.



Anything I know: Isn't mine: it was gifted to me free, to be freely shared

One thing I have learned:

"It makes a lot of sense" is the one hallmark of true spirituality, whatever the source. If it doesn’t: it probably isn’t

[a fine naked fellow]

Is there anything finer than love, john white?
If there is I haven’t found it.

Q What is the affect of David Icke books on people?

I would say probably reading. Reading is an affect right?
Beyond that people are probably individuals.

[john white]

Is there anything finer than love, john white?
If there is I haven’t found it.


Those words of icke are 12 years old now, and are more potent, more relevant and more powerful to me today than they ever have been before

Love is the sweetest of things, the best harmony of all energies.

Nothing stands against Love. Love manifests all

Oh Love! There is nothing finer

All who doubt Love will be amazed: the only way is up!

[cheeb]

you are a fine connesseur
you treat love like wine
a thing of beauty and patience
a thing to be appreciated
not hastened
something that matures
not instant gratifacation
everyone is looking for a quick fix
pre packaged enlightenment
i dont think they are gonna get it that easy
swimming against the tide is harder than
going with the flow

I didnt get this from Richard and Judy
but it does sound like what Richard would say!