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snoopsnuffleopagus

06-11-2008, 02:53 PM

Ladies & Gentlemen; Cordial Felicitations:

The Tetra-Grammaton is an ancient Combination of Four Consonants originating in the ancient semetic Language.

Tetra-Grammaton G-Search
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

Tetra-Grammaton Vocalised G-Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Tetragrammaton+Vocalised&spell=1

YHWH Vocalised G-Search
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=YHWH+Vocalised&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Tetra-Grammaton Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

Yahweh -Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

Examples in ancient Texts

The Dead Sea Sea Scrolls: The Great Isayah Scroll and Directory
http://www.ao.net/%7Efmoeller/qa-tran.htm

http://www.ao.net/%7Efmoeller/qumdir.htm

Hebrew-English Bible based upon Masoretic Text
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm

* Due to Source Text the Tetra-Grammaton first appears in Genesis 2:4, Prior to that it is represented HaElohim, as THE GOD.

The Tettragrammaton in script- Paleo-Hebraic to Modern Hebraic

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Tetragrammaton_scripts.svg/137px-Tetragrammaton_scripts.svg.png

The Tetragrammaton in Paleo-Hebrew (10th century BC to 135 AD), Aramaic (10th century BC to 4th century AD) and modern Hebrew scripts.

Tetragrammaton (from the Greek τετραγράμματον, meaning '[word of] four letters' (tetra "four" + gramma (gen. grammatos) "letter"), [1] refers to יהוה, one of the names of the God of Israel written with four letters, as written in the Hebrew Masoretic Text where it appears over 6,800 times.
The letters, properly read from right to left (in Biblical Hebrew), are: HWHY-

Hebrew Letter name Pronunciation
י Yodh "Y"
ה He (pronounced "hey") "H"
ו Waw "W" or placeholder for "O"/"U" vowel (see mater lectionis)
ה He "H" (or sometimes silent at the ends of words)

יהוה is the four-letter name of God , which is referred to in Josephus, by the Church Fathers, and the Jerusalem Talmud.
Biblical Hebrew often omits vowel sounds from its writings, which would be shown in English.
These four letters are usually transliterated from Hebrew as IHVH in Latin, JHWH in German, French and Dutch, and YHWH in English. This was variously rendered as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah", since in Latin there was no distinct lettering to distinguish 'Y' from 'J', or 'W' from 'V', and the Hebrew does not clearly indicate the omitted vowels. In English translations, it is often rendered in small capital letters as "the LORD", following Jewish tradition which reads the word as "Adonai" ("Lord") out of respect for the name of God and the commandment not to take the name of God in vain.
See "Historical overview" at Yahweh and Jehovah.
[edit]Occurrences and uses

The Tetragrammaton occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew text of both the Biblia Hebraica and Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia.[2] It does not appear in the Ecclesiastes, possibly not in Song of Songs unless in Sg.8:6, and is concealed in the Hebrew text of Esther in four word groups: H• W• H• Y• (1:20); Y• H• W• H• (5:4); •H •W •H •Y (5:13); •Y •H •W •H (7:7) (see The Companion Bible).
For views on the pronunciation of the name, see the main article, Yahweh

This guy has some interesting Research on this matter:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40255

dankai

06-11-2008, 03:03 PM

Interesting to note is this regarding HWHY (in Hebrew characters)...
If you take each Hebrew character and place one on top of the other (beginning from right and going left, of course) you end up with the image of a human being. So, I guess you would have man made in the "image" of God.

Feedback?

snoopsnuffleopagus

06-11-2008, 04:28 PM

Cordial Felicitations; Dankai:

That is very interesting. A few other Forum Members have been bringing forth some interesting information about the Tetra-Grammaton and its Vocalisation.

I'll never forget, but K-Blood informed me he was informed that Yahweh matches our breathing. Yah=Inhale; Weh=Exhale. Every breath we take. :) That might drive some peeps 'nuts' if they actually thought about it, yet it matches our Breathing very harmoniously.

In the Reasearchers section, I believe the Gregg Braden Thread, a Scientist posits that there may be evidence of the TetraGrammaton in our DNA.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=539541&postcount=32

Anything you have about the Tetra-Grammaton is welcome Dankai.

Welcome to the Party!

madthumbs

06-11-2008, 05:28 PM

What if the name is a sequence of 3 dimensional images?

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter11.html

snoopsnuffleopagus

06-11-2008, 06:00 PM

So, from whence did this sequence of Four Remarkable, World Impacting Consonants originate?

Documentary Hypothesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

"J" Source G-Search
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=bible+'J'+source&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Scientific and Historical Evidence:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28141

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9902EEDA1F30F930A15752C0A96F9582 60
By GUSTAV NIEBUHR
Published: January 23, 1999
In the traditional interpretation of the Bible, the Five Books of Moses are exactly that: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, written by Moses at God's command.

What may not be as well known is that during the last two centuries, many biblical scholars have offered a different type of analysis, concluding that those biblical books, also known as the Pentateuch, are a compilation of four separate narratives, woven together by ancient editors, or redactors, to create a single text.

In unscrambling this puzzle, scholars have identified the four narratives by letters -- J, E, P, D -- each of which represents a key word in the text. (J, for example, is the first letter of the German spelling for the name Yahweh; E comes from Elohim, the Hebrew word for God; P stands for the priestly source, referring to passages concerned with religious law, while D signifies Deuteronomy.)

Now, after a dozen years of research, Richard Elliott Friedman, a professor of Hebrew and comparative literature at the University of California at San Diego, has tantalizingly argued that the J narrative is far longer than the three others, and actually extends considerably beyond the five Mosaic books.

The J source, he says, comprises a ''hidden book'' that is nearly 3,000 years old and that runs from Genesis to the First Book of Kings.

And that makes it, he declares, the world's first book-length prose work.

Reaction of other scholars to Mr. Friedman's theory has been mixed, ranging from praise for his boldness and extensive research to critical doubt that the idea will be widely accepted.

In recent years, the J source alone, which scholars have traditionally viewed as the oldest, has received far more public attention than the E, P or D sources. J has been the subject of several recent popular books, best-known among them ''The Book of J,'' in which the Yale literary scholar Harold Bloom argued that J's author was a woman. One reason, at least, for J's popularity may be that as scholars have broken it out of the overall biblical text it includes some of the most vivid passages of familiar stories, like that of Noah, and it includes material, like the Tower of Babel story, that is not placed by scholars in the other sources.

By linking J with subsequent sections of the Bible, particularly what scholars call the Court History, which tells the story of King David, Mr. Friedman has theorized that the Bible was constructed around an original long narrative, about 3,000 sentences altogether, which runs from the creation of humanity to David's death.

''We know of poetry that is earlier, but this is the oldest prose literature: a long, beautiful, exciting story,'' he writes in his book, ''The Hidden Book in the Bible,'' recently published by HarperCollins.

Mr. Friedman says the ''hidden book'' has a theme, if not a single plot. Beginning with Adam and Eve's eating of the fruit in the Garden of Eden, it tells the story of how human beings gain the ability to tell good from bad, and then what they do with it over many generations.

''So you see people making choices of good and bad, and making choices and paying prices and learning from that,'' he said.

Mr. Friedman's theory is in some sense as much literary detective work as an example of biblical scholarship. In a telephone interview, Mr. Friedman said recurrent words and phrases that appear nowhere else in these sections of the Bible first led him to believe that J extended further than all but a few scholars had previously thought. He titles his 200-page translation of this narrative ''In the Day,'' a phrase taken from the first three words with which the J source begins (in Genesis 2:4).

''I think that's just where the evidence goes,'' Mr. Friedman said. ''I didn't set out looking for common themes. When I first started looking at J and the Court History, it started with language, because that's still the most common thing. It was the language that first sort of mapped where I should be looking.

He said that certain references to deception, phrases like ''kindness and faithfulness,'' references to Sheol, a place of the dead, as well as some other words and phrases occurred only in this text. He also found cases in which words and phrases were repeated sequentially in separate stories in J and the Court History, which he took as another link.

In addition, he said he had found numerous recurring images within the two sections, among them no fewer than seven stories of brothers warring against brothers, with the action taking place in a field, beginning with Cain and Abel.

Mr. Friedman is the author and editor of other books written for a literate lay audience, among them ''Who Wrote the Bible?,'' which describes the process by which J and the other narratives were identified. That book is used as a text in some biblical studies courses.

In his latest book, he said, he implies no criticism of the religious belief of Orthodox Jews and conservative Christians that Moses wrote the five books attributed to him.

Rabbi Avi Shafran, a spokesman for Agudath Israel, a strictly Orthodox organization, said that academic ''higher criticism'' of the Bible was predicated on a different set of assumptions about the text than those held by people who believe the text was divinely given to Moses. ''We're talking from totally different premises, so it's not really an argument,'' he said.

Other scholars offered mixed assessments of the Friedman theory.

Alan Cooper, professor of Bible who holds a joint appointment at Jewish Theological Seminary and Union Theological Seminary in New York, said he doubted whether many experts would accept Mr. Friedman's theory that there is a single, long-running narrative in the Bible. ''But I do think people will have to take his evidence very seriously,'' Mr. Cooper added, saying that biblical scholars would have to study the data Mr. Friedman had assembled.

Ziony Zevit, professor of Bible at the University of Judaism in Los Angeles, said he did not think the similarities that Mr. Friedman found pointed to a single narrative. Still, he called Mr. Friedman's translation of the biblical books that make up his proposed narrative ''a tour de force.''

Mr. Friedman attributes the single narrative to a ''literary artist,'' probably a lay person (possibly female), writing about 28 centuries ago.

''Maybe this was the person who came along with the instincts of the historian, to tell a long saga, to tell it all,'' he said in the interview. He added that the cultural conditions made a historical narrative possible because the ancient Israelites, with their belief that God existed outside nature, possessed a linear view of history.

''God meets Moses at the bush and says, 'I'm the God of your father,' '' he said. ''It's only in a model like that you'd start writing history. The pagan world didn't write like that.''
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Exodus 3:15
15 And God said moreover unto Moses: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you; this is My name for ever, and this is My memorial unto all generations.

Tetra-Grammaton *
טו וַיֹּאמֶר עוֹד אֱלֹהִים אֶל-מֹשֶׁה, כֹּה-תֹאמַר אֶל-בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל,* יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵי אֲבֹתֵיכֶם אֱלֹהֵי אַבְרָהָם אֱלֹהֵי יִצְחָק וֵאלֹהֵי יַעֲקֹב, שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם; זֶה-שְּׁמִי לְעֹלָם, וְזֶה זִכְרִי לְדֹר דֹּר.

snoopsnuffleopagus

06-11-2008, 06:16 PM

Cordial Felicitations; Madthumbs:

Thanx for that. I didn't go to the homepage, but it looks like Dr. Lenny Horowitz. I've read a few of Horowitzs books and have mixed 'feeling' about him and his work.

His buddy Puleo, who claims to channel the 'spirit' of Jesus is suspect because the 'Spirit' he channels does not pass the Biblical Test of Spirits. "If they speak not to the Law and Prophecies, there is no Light in them'.

This is where Neal Donald Walsh, Puleo and many others reveal their 'Hand'.

I found the first part interesting, but by his Adam & Eve analysis of the Tree of Knowledge of Righteousness and Evil, rather than science, he was offering speculative conjecture, that. IMO, doesn't accurately portray what was goin' down in YHWHs Garden.

But, nontheless, definitely some interesting and thought provoking information.

Thank You again

Kind Regards: Snoops

macgyver

06-11-2008, 07:08 PM

Question:

I heard a while ago that by putting the HWHY in the opposite order (namely YHWH as read by western culture) and turning the letters upside down, you come close to a representation of the arabic "Allah".

Has anybody else heard about it? I would be grateful to hear from you. :)

snoopsnuffleopagus

06-11-2008, 07:29 PM

Cordial Felicitations; MacGyver:

You're one of my favourite characters, and peeps have called me MacGyver, cause I'm an old Boy Scout and I know how to improvise. lol

Anyway, here is one crazy Hypothesis.

The Third Temple of YHWH will be built next to the Dome of the Rock and the Yahdaim and the Muslims will pray side by side.

The Yahdaim to YHWH and the Muslims to Allah.

shocking :eek:
Temple Mount Org.
http://www.templemount.org/

Theories
http://www.templemount.org/theories.html
http://www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html
http://bible.ag/ezekiel.htm
http://www.yahweh.com/TemplePage/Temple.html

snoopsnuffleopagus

06-11-2008, 07:45 PM

Okay, I have to follow Dankais and MacGyvers Leads and go play in Photoshop.

Thanx peeps. :)

jayelowell

06-11-2008, 07:52 PM

more on the 4 letters of gravity...
http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32453

tjohn

06-11-2008, 08:38 PM

Ladies & Gentlemen; Cordial Felicitations:

The Tetra-Grammaton is an ancient Combination of Four Consonants originating in the ancient semetic Language.

Lots of words only have four letters, some of them being 'bad' words! So what does it tell us about the identity of the Hebrew god other than there were no vowels in the Hebrew text? :rolleyes:

disorder2k8

06-11-2008, 09:04 PM

amazing post, thanks

macgyver

06-11-2008, 09:37 PM

Okay, I have to follow Dankais and MacGyvers Leads and go play in Photoshop.

Thanx peeps. :)

I'm curious with what you're coming up :D

dedicate

06-11-2008, 11:05 PM

It tells us a lot, tjohn. It tells us that not only is God a trinity, but He is quadrinity. His influence is felt in all the corners of the world, North, South, East and West. His nature is beheld in all the 4 elements, Fire, Earth, Water and Air. He is known by his work on all 4 kingdoms -- chemical, plant, animal, and human. He is the ONE in the 4.

He is the Yod, the Hey, the Vau and the Hey. (Hey!) Or, more specifically, He is the spirit (Yod) of the Word (Hey). And He is the the stake (Vau) in what the Word is (Hey).

This is more than what is proper to discuss in public.

So your question is a good one. And I understand where you are coming from: Other than that it can be confusingly spelled in 20 different English styles and that it has historical value? What does this Tetra-gammatron say about anything? Why not use some other word?Hope I've answered some of your question above.

What you said about the "4 letter word expression" (where you making a "bad" joke?), actually has some truth to it. At one time vocalizing the Tetra-grammaton was a crime punishable by death in the Hebrew Tradition. Hense the expression, "That's a 4 letter word", implying that you should be punished for uttering such.

tjohn

08-11-2008, 12:59 PM

dedicate

09-11-2008, 07:18 AM

I know what you mean, tjohn. God is beyond anything that could be expressed. Even to say that God is everything, doesn't quite cover it. So no word could really give a full account of God. (But, then again, some words could never be fully accounted for) ---

What might be something you heard was that this Tetra-Grammaton is one of the true names of God.-- that by uttering the name, you are invoking THE TETRA-GRAMMATON at the same time -- the word as it is "spelled" and spoken IS what it means. The same philosophy as Ancient Sanskrit found here in Ancient Hebrew. Both known as sacred languages.

It's difficult for English speakers to get a handle on this concept, because our words can be spelled according to convention and English words have no meaning beyond what we give them. But in Sanskrit and Hebrew,, the letters and sounds themselves have intrinsic meaning; you can not seperate the words, sounds, and meaning in these languages. If people decide to start calling an apple "a napple", nothing else would be different, but to assign a new spelling of a Sanskrit or Hebrew word is impossible. This is difficult to understand at first, but given time, and if you don't discount it as foolishness, you will come to understand it. -- I went through a doubting phase when I first heard this. I said, "Couldn't be. They are 'just' words"

So it would make sense that a name for God in Hebrew would have power, and great meaning. The Tetra-Grammaton one of the most profound.

madthumbs

09-11-2008, 07:26 AM

My imaginary friend is better than yours.

dedicate

09-11-2008, 07:52 AM

Madthumbs response is the reason why it is not totally proper to talk about these things in public.

It is not just because we are part of some secret society with "occult" knowlege. The knowledge is hidden to keep it from abuse.

Really the knowledge can be told to anyone, but should not be shuffled about in the market place for the profane to trample upon for one thing anyway. And it is best to present these things to people who are ready for it and only when they are ready, for another.

Thank you for being God's mouthpiece and reminding me of this, madthumbs. Bet you didn't think you could be something like that. But God once said in anger, "I am Hell, too!"

macgyver

09-11-2008, 03:11 PM

madthumbs

09-11-2008, 03:11 PM

Look up what Hell really means in the Bible (each one of them), and report back please.

macgyver

09-11-2008, 03:29 PM

Look up what Hell really means in the Bible (each one of them), and report back please.

I looked it up! :D

Guess we have here Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, Tartarus and the Lake of Fire. If I missed something feel free to complete the list! :)

snoopsnuffleopagus

09-11-2008, 04:05 PM

very often our own worst enemy is ourselves.

Check yourself, don't wreck yourself. :)

http://www.yahweh.com/Newsletters/9-08nl_files/tetra1.jpg

Yahweh s Character has been well known for Millenia, the Self-Appointed Representatives have mucked it up. Also, we, using a fraction of the potential of our Brain/Mind, can we have ''full' understanding. The Brain/Mind is the most complex object in the known universe.

Yahweh tells us: Be 'cool', keep your equilibrium, if at all possible. :cool:

Yahweh is working out a plan. A result of the plan will humans will use %100 of their Brain/Mind. But not while they still behave like petulant children.

Be 'Cool'. is still the main rule.

to wit:
Romans 14

Precepts of the Law of Liberty

Accept one who is weak in the faith, but not if he wants to argue and dispute.

For one believes that he may eat all Lawful things; another, who is weak, eats only vegetables. Do not let him who eats be despiteful of him who does not eat, and do not let him who does not eat condemn him who eats; for YHWH has accepted him into His House.

Who are you to condemn someone elses servant? To his own ruler he stands or falls. And he will stand, for YHWH is able to make him stand

One person considers one Feast more holy than another; another considers every Feast of the same holiness. Let everyone be fully warned in his own mind.

He who keeps yhe Feast, keeps it to YHWH, for he gives thank to Yahweh. And he who eats, eats to Yahweh, for he gives thank to Yahweh. And he who does not eat to Yahweh, is not eating to, nor is thanking Yahweh.

For none of us lives of himself, and no man dies of himself.

For if we live, we live in Yahweh forever; but if we die; we will die in Yahweh. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are Yahwehs.

For this very reason Yahshua died and was restored to life again, that He might be the Judge of both the dead and the living.

But why do you pass judgement on your brother? Or why do you look down upon your brother? For we will all stand before the Judgement Seat of Yahshua.

For it is written: As surely as I live, says Yahweh, every knee will bow to Me, and every tongue will confess to Yahweh.(Isayah 45:23)

So then, each one of us will give an account of himself to Yahweh.

Therefore, let us stop passing judgement on one another. Instead, set your mind not to put any stumblingblock, or an occasion of falling, in our brothers way.

For I know, and am convinced by Yahshuah Messiah, that nothing is common in itself; except to the one accounting anything to be common-to that man, it is common.

But if your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not destroy him for whom Yahshua died, with your food.

Therefore do not allow your righteousness to be spoken of as evil.

For the Kingdom of Yahweh is not food and drink, but righteousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit:

This is the Essence of the Book

Quote:
Who are you to condemn someone elses servant? To his own ruler he stands or falls. And he will stand, for YHWH is able to make him stand.
I think this a most revealing Verse. 'Who the Hell do we think we are?'

Like in the Book of Iyob/Job when YHWH asks Iyob/Job 'Where you there when I created the foundations of the earth?'

We will not have absolutely definitive answers due to our degree of completion. We are partialy created beings at this time.

Heres some Links for ya Bro, enjoy.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40255
Hebrew-English Bible>compare the Tetra-Grammaton with the references in this Video linked below.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm
The Concept of a godhead in the OT
http://www.logos.com/media/lecture/heiser/LectureSeries-Heiser.html

Dead Sea Scrolls-The Great Isayah Scroll
http://www.ao.net/%7Efmoeller/qa-tran.htm

http://www.ao.net/%7Efmoeller/qumdir.htm

Since the Disparagement of Father Yahweh is a well exercised 'freedom' around here, let us see what Scripture says of His Character.
The 13 Attributes of Yahweh and His Mercy are listed in Exodus 34:6-14

1: Almighty

2: Merciful and Compassionate

3: Longsuffering

4: Abounding

5: Possessing Righteousness and Truth

6: Keeping Mercy

7: Forgiving

8: Punishes Sin

9: Heavenly Father

10: Making the Covenant with His.

11: Doing Marvels

12: Awesome

13: Jealous/Ardent/Passionate

Exodus 34:6-14

Quote:
6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed: 'The LORD, the LORD, God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth;
examine now the Hebrew, particularly the usage of the Tetra-Grammaton

34:6 Yahweh passed in front of him and proclaimed: YAHWEH, YAHWEH Almighty, merciful and compassionate, longsuffering, and abounding in righteousness and truth.

Read it yourself: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0234.htm[/b]

kasalt

11-11-2008, 09:11 AM

snoopsnuffleopagus

11-11-2008, 06:47 PM

Hey! lookee what I found! :)

http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/andre/images/yahweh_edited.jpg

As far as spelling variations, I do not understand why they omit the Two Consonants: W & H

The Etymology I have seen is: the Tetragrammaton derived from a Trigrammaton: Yahwe, in usage of Northern Semetic Tribes, an exclamation like: Eureka! Whopee! an inspired exclamation. There was a grammatical change of 'possession from 2nd person to first person? 'he is' to 'I Am'

Yahweh is known by many attributes, many listed in Deuteronomy 34:6-14- http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=606175&postcount=22

. 'Longsuffering, Merciful....When Yahweh tells the Tribes His Laws will prevent them from having the diseases of Egypt, He is known as: Yahweh Rapha=Yahweh our Healer.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=yahweh+the+healer&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Exodus 34:6 Qualities of Yahweh/Link provides Hebrew Text; notice the Tetragrammaton usage in verse 6http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0234.htm

6 And the Yahweh passed by before him, and proclaimed: 'Yahweh; Yahweh, HaElohim, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth;

macgyver

11-11-2008, 07:06 PM

Just thought I'd throw this into the mix:
Various proposals exist for what the vowels of יהוה were. Current convention is יַהְוֶה, that is, "Yahweh" (IPA: [jahˈweh] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA)). Evidence is:

Some Biblical theophoric names (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophoric_name) end in -ia(h) or -yahu as shortened forms of YHWH: that points to the first vowel being "a".
Various Early Christian Greek transcriptions of the Hebrew Divine Name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_transcriptions_of_the_Hebrew_Divine_Name) seem to point to "Yahweh" or similar.
Samaritan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan) priests had preserved a liturgical pronunciation of "Yahwe" or "Yahwa" (the last vowel is ambiguous) at least until 1820.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#cite_note-4)
Today many scholars accept this proposal as the most accurate transliteration,[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#cite_note-5) based on the pronunciation preserved both by the Church Fathers and by the Samaritans.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#cite_note-6)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#Pronunciation_of_the_Name

YAHWEH: From a verb meaning "destroy" or similar?

A root hawah is represented in Hebrew by the nouns howah (Ezek., Isa. xlvii. II)[citation needed] and hawwah (Ps., Prov., Job) "disaster, calamity, ruin."[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_and_theories_on_Yahweh#cite_note-1) The primary meaning is probably "sink down, fall", in which sense (common in Arabic) the verb appears in Job (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_(Bible)) xxxvii. 6 (of snow falling to earth).[citation needed]
A Catholic commentator of the 16th century, Hieronymus ab Oleastro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus), seems to have been the first to connect the name "Jehova" with "howah" interpreting it as "contritio sive pernicies" (destruction of the Egyptians and Canaanites). Daumer, adopting the same etymology, took it in a more general sense: Yahweh, as well as Shaddai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaddai), meant "Destroyer", and fitly expressed the nature of the terrible god who he identified with Moloch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch).
The derivation of Yahweh from hawah is formally unimpeachable, and is adopted by many recent[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_and_theories_on_Yahweh#cite_note-2) scholars, who proceed, however, from the primary sense of the root rather than from the specific meaning of the nouns. The name is accordingly interpreted, He (who) falls (baetyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baetylus), βαιτυλος, meteorite); or causes (rain or lightning) to fall (storm god); or casts down (his foes, by his thunderbolts). It is obvious that if the derivation be correct, the significance of the name, which in itself denotes only "He falls" or "He fells", must be learned, if at all, from early Semitic conceptions of the nature of Yahweh rather than from etymology.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_and_theories_on_Yahweh#From_a_verb_mean ing_.22destroy.22_or_similar.3F

First of all, thank you for the vowel notation of Yahweh! :) I hadn't noticed it on Wikipedia before.

The second part is very interesting for me, although in a different way than cited. I've now been some time in studying the nature of Lucifer and his appearance in world history. In no way I want to say I'm an expert, I just want to lay out what information I collected during this time.
YAHWEH: From a verb meaning "destroy" or similar?
Yahweh takes pride in being the creator-god, the only one; this is mentioned in 1st Genesis as well as Exodus 20:11 as well as several other places.
Satan on the other hand is translated into english as "adversary". By definition he enjoys opposing all that is godly and reversing every attribute that Yahweh stands for. This was the first indication for me, that "destroy" would fit pretty well the description cited by you.
But surprise - it went on!
The primary meaning is probably "sink down, fall" There is a certain fallen angel that comes to mind when reading this. :eek: Indeed very fitting.
Yahweh, as well as Shaddai, meant "Destroyer", and fitly expressed the nature of the terrible god who he identified with Moloch.
All through the Old Testament you find the opposition of Yahweh to the practice of letting the children pass through the fire for providing a sacrifice for Moloch (i.e. 2 Kings 16:3; Leviticus 20:2 --> explicit stoning of those offering their children to Moloch).
or causes (rain or lightning) to fall (storm god); or casts down (his foes, by his thunderbolts).
Very boldly reminds me of Zeus. He was the god with the thunderbolts and lightning ;) As well as I understood it, he is just another representation of Lucifer, not at least indicated by the use of his characteristic lightnings in history...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Flag_Schutzstaffel.svg/324px-Flag_Schutzstaffel.svg.png

snoopsnuffleopagus

11-11-2008, 07:28 PM

Yahwehs Consort:

Lets look at the evidence, which predates and refutes any Speculative Conjecture

Start with some basics:
http://www.karaitejudaism.org/talks/Satan_and_the_Snake.htm

Explicit Evidence of Echelon, Psalm 82:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40255

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

I will Post both examples; Isayah and Yechetzqyah, the Methodology will be Textual, Contextual utilising Standard of the Industry(readily availiable) Lexicons, Concordances and Dictionaries. Etymology is a valuable tool

TOOLS
http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

And keep in mind, The word satan means: Adversary, Accuser, etc, a quality of Character, there are many satans. HaSatan is a supra natural being. THE Satan.
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Hebrew-English Bible
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm

Satan and the snake. Note:
http://www.karaitejudaism.org/talks/..._the_Snake.htm

Isayah=Salvation is Yahweh
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1014.htm

Great Isayah Scroll Directory-Dead Sea Scroll-90BCE
http://www.ao.net/%7Efmoeller/qumdir.htm

Yechetzqyah=May Yahweh Strengthen
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1228.htm

I will present Text examples; Contemplate: I shall return and 'Parse' the Text.

ISAYAH=SALVATION IS YAHWEH 14:12

How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, that didst cast lots over the nations!

אֵיךְ נָפַלְתָּ מִשָּׁמַיִם, הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר; נִגְדַּעְתָּ לָאָרֶץ, חוֹלֵשׁ עַל-גּוֹיִם.

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YECHETZQYAH=MAY YAHWEH STRENGTHEN

28:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying:

2 'Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyre: Thus saith the Lord GOD: because thy heart is lifted up, and thou hast said: I am a god, I sit in the seat of God, in the heart of the seas; yet thou art man, and not God, though thou didst set thy heart as the heart of God--

3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel! there is no secret that they can hide from thee!

4 By thy wisdom and by thy discernment thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures;

5 In thy great wisdom by thy traffic hast thou increased thy riches, and thy heart is lifted up because of thy riches--

6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD: because thou hast set thy heart as the heart of God;

7 Therefore, behold, I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations; and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

8 They shall bring thee down to the pit; and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain, in the heart of the seas.

9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee: I am God? But thou art man, and not God, in the hand of them that defile thee.

10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers; for I have spoken, saith the Lord GOD.'

11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying:

12 'Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say unto him: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Thou seal most accurate, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty,

13 thou wast in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the carnelian, the topaz, and the emerald, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the carbuncle, and the smaragd, and gold; the workmanship of thy settings and of thy sockets was in thee, in the day that thou wast created they were prepared.

14 Thou wast the far-covering cherub; and I set thee, so that thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of stones of fire

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till unrighteousness was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy traffic they filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned; therefore have I cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God; and I have destroyed thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thy heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness; I have cast thee to the ground, I have laid thee before kings, that they may gaze upon thee.

18 By the multitude of thine iniquities, in the unrighteousness of thy traffic, thou hast profaned thy sanctuaries; therefore have I brought forth a fire from the midst of thee, it hath devoured thee, and I have turned thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the peoples shall be appalled at thee; thou art become a terror, and thou shalt never be any more.'

20 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying:

21 'Son of man, set thy face toward Zidon, and prophesy against it,

22 and say: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O Zidon, and I will be glorified in the midst of thee; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall have executed judgments in her, and shall be sanctified in her.

23 For I will send into her pestilence and blood in her streets; and the wounded shall fall in the midst of her by the sword upon her on every side; and they shall know that I am the LORD.

24 And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor a piercing thorn of any that are round about them, that did have them in disdain; and they shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

25 Thus saith the Lord GOD: When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the nations, then shall they dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob.

26 And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell safely; when I have executed judgments upon all those that have them in disdain round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God.'

וַיְהִי דְבַר-יְהוָה, אֵלַי לֵאמֹר.

בֶּן-אָדָם אֱמֹר לִנְגִיד צֹר כֹּה-אָמַר אֲדֹנָי יְהוִה, יַעַן גָּבַהּ לִבְּךָ וַתֹּאמֶר אֵל אָנִי--מוֹשַׁב אֱלֹהִים יָשַׁבְתִּי, בְּלֵב יַמִּים; וְאַתָּה אָדָם וְלֹא-אֵל, וַתִּתֵּן לִבְּךָ כְּלֵב אֱלֹהִים.

a reccomended by roscoe read:

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/

The Divine Council Link-PDFs places YHWH at the correct echelon in the Cosmology of The Book. The Concordances and Lexicons provide the Hebrew or Greek words of what is read in the english Text. TYPE: Lucifer into Strongs Hebrew Dictionary:

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Result of search for "lucifer":
1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.
click on Root Word Link:1984

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Result of search for "1984":
1947 howlelah ho-lay-law' feminine active participle of 1984; folly:--madness.

1948 howleluwth ho-lay-looth' from active participle of 1984; folly:--madness.

1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.

1974 hilluwl hil-lool' from 1984 (in the sense of rejoicing); a celebration of thanksgiving for harvest:--merry, praise.

1984 halal haw-lal' a primitive root; to be clear (orig. of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence, to make a show, to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively, to celebrate; also to stultify:--(make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool(- ish, -ly), glory, give (light), be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, (sing, be worthy of) praise, rage, renowned, shine.
1985 Hillel hil-layl' from 1984; praising (namely God); Hillel, an Israelite:--Hillel.
3094 Yhallel'el yeh-hal-lel-ale' from 1984 and 410; praising God; Jehallelel, the name of two Israelites:--Jehalellel, Jehalelel.

4110 mahalal mah-hal-awl' from 1984; fame:--praise.

8416 thillah teh-hil-law' from 1984; laudation; specifically (concretely) a hymn:--praise.

8417 toholah to-hol-aw' feminine of an unused noun (apparently from 1984) meaning bluster; braggadocio, i.e. (by implication) fatuity:--folly.

So the actual name of the being spoken of in Isayah is Hillel, as you may see from root definitions; gender ambiguous, but note: give in marriage.

In the Lexicon In Veteris Testamenti Libros by Koelher & Baumgarttner, pg.235: A Beautiful Woman; A Man Praises His Wife; works praise a woman. Non-Ambiguous

The New Wilsons Old Testament Word Studies, pg.506: To be given in marriage, worthy to be praised.

The Phrase: Son of the Morning=Ben-Shachar

A Hebrew & Chaldee Lexicon by Julian Furst pg.215
informs that the word: ben; when connected with abstract nouns, denotes possesion of a quality or virtue.

The Analytical Hebrew Lexicon by Benjamin Davidson, pg. 95 informs: usually translated son, but also children,and also pupils,both gender ambiguous.

Shachar

The Analytical Hebrew & Chaldee Lexicon, by Benjamin Davidson, pg. 709, inform Shachar translates to Light. 'dawn for light'; and metaphor: sense,reason, by the Law and Testimony, Light

Isayah 8:20

To the Law and to the Prohecy: If they speak not according to this word; it is because there is no Light in them. This is a most important verse as it is a: TEST FOR SPIRITS

Proverbs 6:23: ...the Commandments are a Lamp, the Law is Light.

So without any undo 'warm-up' exercises, we may make a case Isayah 'could say'. Hillel, Pupil of the Law.

All the Malakhs were instructed in YHWHs 613 Laws, Judgements and Statutes.

Next: Yechetzqyah 28.

Quote:
http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/PW02-06/plan.htm

The name Lucifer in the Hebrew Dictionary of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance is word #1966 from word #1984 and has the following meanings.

1966. ll@yh@ heylel, hay-lale/; from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:-lucifer.

1984. ll^h* halal, haw-lal'; a prim. root; to be clear (orig. of sound, but ususally of color); to shine; hence to make a show, to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causat. to celebrate; also to stultify:—(make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (-ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.

The word devil in the Greek Dictionary of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance is word #1228 from word #1225 and is compared to word #7854.

1228. diabolozV diabolos, dee-ab/-ol-os; from 1225; a traducer; spec. Satan [comp. 7854]:—false accuser, devil, slanderer

1225. diaballw diaballo, dee-ab-al/-lo; from 1223 and 906; (fig.) to traduce:—accuse.

7854. /f*c* satan, saw-tawn/; from 7853; an opponent: espec. (with the art. pref.) Satan, the arch-enemy of good:—adversary, Satan, withstand.

In Mattithyah 7:22, the English word devil is used. This word devil comes from the Greek word daimonian, word #1140 in Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and has the same meaning as the Caananite word El which means deity, devil, god.

The Caananite word el, adopted by the Hebrew people, is word #410 in the Hebrew Dictionary of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.

410. la@ 'el, ale; short. from 352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty (but used also of any deity):- God (god), x goodly, x great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Comp. names in "-el."

The plural form of the word el is elohim, word #430 which in turn is the plural of word #433.

430. myh!la$ 'elohiym, el-o-heem/; plur. of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but spec. used (in the plur. thus, esp. with the art.) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:7angels, x exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), x (very) great, judges, x mighty.

433. H^w.la$ 'elowahh el-o-ah; rarely (short.)
H^.la$ 'eloahh, el-o/-ah; prob. prol. (emphat.) from 410; a deity or the Deity:—God, god. See 430.

The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Volume 1, page 817 tells us that a God (el or elohim) is nothing more than a demon.

...In the original sense, a demon may be defined broadly as an anonymous god - i.e., as a personification of one of another of those vaguer, less identifiable powers and influences that were believed to operate alongside the major deities and to condition particular circumstances and experiences. In Homer, e.g., "demon'' (daimwn) and "god'' (qeozV) are virtually interchangeable...

El and Elohim mean Strength, were used as titles of pagan Canaanite Gods that were assimilated by our forefathers and used to replace Yahweh's Name. From this same source, we are plainly shown that the power behind these Gods are demons, and their leader HaSatan.

A. IN THE OT. 1. Daimonism, a Daimon, The Hebrew equivalent of "demon'' (daimon) in the original sense is simply la or <yhla ('elo-him), commonly rendered "god.''

We can clearly see that the previous words do not pertain to the Creator Whose Name is Yahweh. These words refer to deities who have made themselves Gods and Goddesses. Lucifer, the Gods, and many others are in opposition to Yahweh's 613 Laws. The very meanings of these words show us that these beings are adversaries to Yahweh the Creator.
YECHETZQYAH=May YHWH Strengthen. 28:

Biblical Absolutes; No Ambiguity:

Righteousness=Adherence to the Laws of YHWH

Sin=Transgressions of the Laws of YHWH.

The Bible is a mix of Literal. Metaphor, Similitude, Contextual, Allegorical. Textual Evidence. Forced Logic & Deductive Reasoning are useful. To establish a Scriptural Truth, at least two witnesses are required. The use of Verse must remain in Context of its' original intent.

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12 'Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say unto him: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Thou seal most accurate, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty,
in this instance Isayah uses king of tyre as metaphor: Bigshot, Exalted. Perfect, something most Mortals are not. Beauty, usually a feminine quality. Handsome being tge masculine quality

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13 thou wast in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the carnelian, the topaz, and the emerald, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the carbuncle, and the smaragd, and gold; the workmanship of thy settings and of thy sockets was in thee, in the day that thou wast created they were prepared
OK; who was in Yahwehs Garden, Eden? Tyre was a city on the Levant, Sea, nowheres near the Land Between the Rivers, where YHWHs Garden, Eden was. Timeline problem for the mortal king/prince. How was the prince/king of tyre in Eden?

Next: The Lovely, Precious Stones. From YHWHs own Treasury, surely the most magnificen t stones in this universe. Nice gift for a Bride. YHWH gives Metaphorical Breastplates of Armour, Swords, Wisdom to men. Yes He gives wisdom to women to, and they then obey His Laws. Let's see: Eden, Jewelry....Hmmmm...

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14 Thou wast the far-covering cherub; and I set thee, so that thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of stones of fire.
(contention of placement of scribes coma; in phrase: "and I set thee so)

Here, the mortal prince/king does not meet the Criteria of Position in this Verse. Covering Cherub; 'set thee so'; holy mtn. of YHWH; 'walked up and down in the midst of the Stones of Fire'.

The Covering Cherub refers to the Cherubim of the Ark, the Seat of the Most High, the outstretched wings holds YHWHs Tallit/Shawl which represent the Laws. Also some Translations say Annointed, inducted into a Position of Authority. In this case, The Annointed Covering Cherub sitting next to YHWH on the Holy Mountain, upholding the Laws.

THE GESENIUS HEBREW LEXICON, PG.414 DEFINES CHERUB: one who is near to YHWH, Ministers to Him, is admitted into His Presence.

The Analytical Hebrew & Chaldee Lexicon, by Benjamin Davidson, PG. 392 shows the word is derived from Hebrew Root Word: Rabab.

The Gesenius Hebrew Chaldee Lexicon, by Benjamin Davidson, pg.753
she who has many children.

The phrase, 'I have set you so', as translated by The Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon, by Benjamin Davidson; page 678, derived from Hebrew word NATHAN: 'give woman to man as wife'. Which corresponds to her given name Hillyl.

After Yechetzqyah, Archaeological, Historic, Artistic and more Linquistic evidence will ensue. Hillel is the Queen of Heaven

Yahweh and His Consort are two separate and distinct Supranatural Beings.

PSALM 82: Yahweh Judges the gods:

Psalm 82:1-7—

1 Yahweh stands in the assembly of the gods (elohim), and He gives judgment among the gods (elohim)!

2 Yahweh says: How long will you defend the unjust, and show partiality to the sinners?

3 You should defend the weak and fatherless! You should maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed!

4 You should rescue the poor and needy, and deliver them from the hands of the wicked.

5 You know nothing, you understand nothing; you walk about in darkness, and all the foundations of the Earth are shaken because of you!

6 I have said: You are gods (elohim), you sons of the Most High;

7 And like Adam you will die. Just like all the other rulers, you will fall.

macgyver

11-11-2008, 07:34 PM

Yahwehs Consort:ll

macgyver; kasalt, are you both insinuating Yahweh is Satan?

If you are, it reveals your True Nature.

Lets look at the evidence, which predates your Speculative Conjecture

I have to clear something up,in case I didn't made myself clear:

what I was referring to is, that I don't think the given explanation that I comment on suits Yahweh, but most perfectly Lucifer / Satan. I do not believe Yahweh is Satan!

snoopsnuffleopagus

11-11-2008, 08:05 PM

macgyver

11-11-2008, 08:25 PM

Hi Macgyver: I read your Post carefully a coupla times. I was 'feeling' ambiguity about your speculation and I wasn't sure which way you were leaning. The image of the SS lightning bolts was disturbing as these are the symbols of some of the most demonic peope on earth in its history. Pure Evil.

Kasalt has a long established position of pro-active, direct-action as an adversary of Yahweh. He is my cyber 'ball & chain', but I love him/her anyways.

Well, thanx for clearing that up. There is now no ambiguity. Cheers!

No problem... you see, it's difficult. From my position it's perfectly clear while I can see your point! If you have any suggestions on how I can make this more obvious - feel free to help me out! My intention was to show the cruel disproportion of the quote I cited and my own opinion - that this description considerably fits Satan more than Yahweh!
I really would be grateful if you removed my name from your previous post, thank you in advance! :)

snoopsnuffleopagus

11-11-2008, 08:53 PM

okee dokee :)

check out the Isayah passage from the Dead Sea Scroll. The word/name of Lucifer never appears in the original text.
http://www.ao.net/%7Efmoeller/qa-tran.htm

5. (3) And it shall come to pass in that day the YHWH will give you rest from your sorrow and from your trouble and from your hard labor in which

6. was your toil. (4) Lift up this proverb against the king of Babylon and you shall say How has ceased

7. the oppressor, and how has the fury ceased. (5) YHWH has shattered the rod of the wicked and the staff of the governors. (6) He struck the people

8. in wrath, striking without turning aside. He who dominated the nations in anger is persecuted without restraint. (7) In quiet rest,

9: is the whole earth, they break out in singing. (8) The fir trees also rejoice at you, the cedars of Lebanon say Since you have sat down

10. no axe man has arisen against us. (9) Sheol from beneath is moved to meet your arrival, stirring up for you

11. the spirits of the dead, and all the goats of the earth, it Sheol has raised up all the kings of the Gentiles. (10) All of them shall speak

12. and say to you, have you also become sick like us are you now compared to us. (11) Brought down to Sheol

13. is your pride also the sound of your harps, worms are spread under you and maggots cover you.

(12) How are you fallen

14. from the heavens shining one, son of the dawn[Hillel ben Shachar] you are hewn down to the earth O waster of nations. (13) For you have said

15 in your heart I will go up to heaven above the stars of God I will set my throne on high, I [{will sit}] on the mountain

16. of the meeting in the coasts of the north. (14) I will go up to the high places of the clouds, I will be like the highest.
(15) But to Sheol

17. you shall be brought down to the borders of the pit. (16) Those seeing you shall stare at you and considering shall say, Is this the man

18. making {&the&} earth tremble and shaking kingdoms. (17) Who put the world system as a desert and his prisoners

Also Masoretic Hebrew-English Text

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, that didst cast lots over the nations!

יב אֵיךְ נָפַלְתָּ מִשָּׁמַיִם, הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר; נִגְדַּעְתָּ לָאָרֶץ, חוֹלֵשׁ עַל-גּוֹיִם.

13 And thou saidst in thy heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, above the stars of God will I exalt my throne, and I will sit upon the mount of meeting, in the uttermost parts of the north;

kasalt

12-11-2008, 05:55 AM

First of all, thank you for the vowel notation of Yahweh! :) I hadn't noticed it on Wikipedia before.

Glad to be of service. ;)

Kasalt has a long established position of pro-active, direct-action as an adversary of Yahweh.

On the contrary, I am simply an investigator of truth and a considerer of possibilities. That is my role here.

What do you consider your role on this forum to be?

He is my cyber 'ball & chain', but I love him/her anyways.

Awww, that's sweet, eh? (BTW, I'm suprised you haven't picked up on it by now, but I am a "him" so I'm sure you mean that in the straightest, most manly, and again let me emphasize non-gay way possible.:D)

snoopsnuffleopagus

12-11-2008, 02:36 PM

Kasalt, I look forward to the day when I will perceive you as honest. It is not today, nor does the immediate future look to hold promise.

But ultimately you shall be.

until then, get lost, you never have anything honest or positive to contribute, due in no small part, to the Freight Train load of baggage you haul around with you.

macgyver

12-11-2008, 03:41 PM

synergy777

12-11-2008, 05:42 PM

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/canaan.html#Name

Biblical Beginnings in Canaan

The Mighty Bronze Age Empire
"In 1964, Dr. Paolo Matthiae, professor of Near East archaeology at the University of Rome began to excavate Tell Mardikh in north-western Syria [forty kilometers south of Aleppo]. It soon became clear that they were excavating the ruins of the ancient city of Ebla. In 1975, as the dig progressed down to Early Bronze Age levels, a remarkable find was made in the form of nearly 20,000 clay tablets which constituted the royal archives of the city. These tablets date back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. They are written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. Deciphering these tablets, Professor Pettinato, also of the University of Rome, found the language used to be what he called Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect', including Ugaritic; this therefore gives evidence as to the age of the Hebrew language."
- John Fulton, "A New Chronology - Synopsis of David Rohl's book 'A Test of Time'"

"The documents "reveal the existence of a mighty Canaanite empire in Syria that also embraced Palestine around 2400 BC which no one had suspected before; its capital was at Tell Mardikh - an ancient, all-but-forgotten city called Ebla."
- Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

"The city was a large one of 260,000 inhabitants; it traded widely over the known world at that time. A flourishing civilisation existed with many skilled craftsmen in metals, textiles, ceramics, and woodwork. It existed 1,000 years before David and Solomon and was destroyed by the Akkadians in around 1600 BC.
- John Fulton, "A New Chronology - Synopsis of David Rohl's book 'A Test of Time'"

"Amongst the hundreds of place names in the commercial and diplomatic texts, of special interest to Biblical scholars are references to places and vassal cities in Palestine like Hazor, Gaza, Lachish, Megiddo, Akko, Sinai, and even Jerusalem itself (Urusalima).
"But perhaps the most intriguing names are those personal names which also appear in the Bible; names from the 'Patriarchal Age' like Ab-ra-mu (Abraham), E-sa-um (Esau), Ish-ma-ilu (Ishmael), even Is-ra-ilu (Israel), and from later periods, names like Da-'u'dum (David) and Sa-'u-lum (Saul). The most tantalizing adumbration is the name of Ebrum (Biblical Eber), third and greatest of the six kings of the Ebla dynasty between 2400 and 2250 BC. He seems to have been placed on the throne of Ebla by Sargon the Great of Akkad after a punitive expedition in which Ebla was subjugated. But after Sargon died (c.2310 BC), Ebrum turned the tables on Akkad and reduced its cities to vassalage in turn. It was not until 2250 that Sargon's grandson, Narum-Sin of Akkad, was able to throw off the yoke of Ebla by conquering the city and putting it to the torch."
"It may be pure coincidence that this powerful king of Ebla, King Ebrum, should have had the same name as Eber, from whom the Hebrews traced their descent....(coincidentally, Arab historians have traditionally dated Abraham to c.2300 BC)."
- Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

"Tablet 1860 names the five cities of Genesis 14:2 in the same order, i.e. Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zeboiim and Zoar. Up until the discovery of the Ebla tablets, the existence of these biblical cities was questioned; yet, here they are mentioned as trade partners of Ebla. This record predates the great catastrophy involving Lot when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed.
"Also included in the archive are very early Canaanite creation and flood stories which very closely resemble that of the Bible."
- John Fulton, "A New Chronology - Synopsis of David Rohl's book 'A Test of Time'"

"...The rich coastal city of Ugarit [destroyed in 1200 BC]...traded widely throughout the Fertile Crescent and across the Mediterranean....Ugarit's accountants used a twenty-six letter cuneiform alphabet, an invention that would take writing out of the atmosphere of the ancient temples, away from the sacred obscurities of pictographs into a secular, demotic script which people of many different nations could easily adapt. This was a direct forerunner of modern Western alphabets as well as biblical Hebrew."
"Its literature was Canaanite and it is the traditions of that society that influenced the Old Testament. Even so, the scribes of Ugarit well knew of the city Jerusalem and its nearby holy Mount Zion; for the hill was known by that same name, which in Ugaritic Canaanite means 'the seat of a god'. Many Old Testament characters, too, have typically Canaanite names: Absalom and Solomon even hold in them the name of the Canaanite god of the evening star, Solom, just as does the name of Jerusalem itself. That numerous biblical terms for the articles of daily life, for clothes, perfumes and furniture were also Ugaritic, emphasizes the fact that this influence was not only linguistic but extended into the paraphernalia of daily life."
- John Romer, Testament

"According to the Biblical narrative, the migration into Canaan [of the Hebrew tribes] was led by Abraham, who came from the region of Haran that lies in the angle of the Euphrates northeast of Syria. There is good evidence that this was his ancestral home; archaeological findings have confirmed that customs presupposed in Genesis existed in this area. It is also recorded that Abraham moved to Haran from Ur in Chaldea, where he had settled; his move that may reflect the fact that in the nineteenth century B.C., Ur was destroyed by invading Elamites....Abraham's religion, so far as we can tell, centered on his belief in a god whom he called El-Shaddai, 'Divinity of the Mountains'. There is evidence that his tribe also venerated ancestral images."
- Ninian Smart, The Religious Experience of Mankind

Although the Bible refers "Ur of the Chaldeas", the Chaldean kingdom did not exist until many centuries after Abraham, but was contemporaneous with the date when Genesis was set down in writing.

"One chapter of Genesis recounts that the god commanded Abraham to slay his son Isaac, then eight years old, but stayed Abraham's hand at the last moment and asked him to slaughter a ram instead. Religious interpretations explain the episode as a test of Abraham's faith. But some scholars see the story as evidence that human sacrifice as a religious practice was not beyond the patriarchs' acceptance. It is known that the Canaanites of the Second Millennium BC did follow the custom (although it apparently was waning), because excavations a shrine near the city of Gezer have yielded clay jars containing the charred bones of babies."
- The Israelites

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The Assembly of Gods
"...Genesis is in two parts: 1:1 - 11:9 is the first part, and is probably Babylonian in origin, since it ends with the founding of Babylon. The second part, 11:10 - 50:9 is probably Arabian in origin, since it focuses on desert tribes, and their God, El. El is the most common Babylonian-Syrian-Arabian name for God."
- Paul Trejo

"The Canaanites evidently knew nothing of the elaborate pantheon and cosmogony of the Mesopotamians, which probably reflects the relative simplicity of their lives. Their interest was to correlate and explain the various forces of nature and society in all the complexity of harmony and tension, but to declare their dependence on the gods and to placate them"
"Corresponding to Anu in Mesopotamia, the king paramount in the celestial court was El ('God'), who give his sanction to all decisions among the gods affecting nature and society. He is father of the divine family and president of the divine assembly on the 'mount of assembly', the equivalent of Hebrew har mo'ed, which became through the Greek transliteration Armageddon. In Canaanite mythology he is known as 'the Bull', symbolizing his strength and creative force, and is probably represented in the elderly god who is blessing a worshipper on a limestone sculpture from Ras Shara. In the myths he is termed bny bnwt, which might mean 'Creator of Created Things', but which we take to mean 'Giver of Potency', according to his role in two royal legends from Ras Shamra, but he is generally depicted as sitting aloof and indeed remote, enthroned at 'the outflowing of the (two) streams'. This recalls the Biblical Garden of Eden, from which a river flowed to form the four rivers, Tigris, Euphrates, Gihon and Pishon."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

"Thou givest them water from the flowing stream of thy delights (gan 'eden, the Garden of Eden.)
For with thee is the fountain of life."
- Psalm 36:9

El "was known as the Creator God, the Kindly One, the Compassionate One. He expressed the concept of ordered government and social justice. It is noteworthy that the Bible never stigmatizes the Canaanite worship of El, whose authority in social affairs was recognized by the Patriarchs. His consort was Asherah, the mother goddess, represented in Canaanite sanctuaries by a natural or stylized tree (Hebrew ashera).
- Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

In Canaan, the king "is described as 'the Servant of El', as King David was 'the Servant of God'. This describes the status of the king as the executive of the will of the divine king. This duty is understood to be a privilege as well as a burden."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

"All names like Ishmael, Michael and Israel are theophoric in form - that is to say, the suffix element (-ilu or -el) represents a divine name, in this case the paramount god El. But during the reign of Ebrum, Dr Pettinato noted a change in the theophoric element, from -el to -ya(w), so that Mi-ka-ilu became Mi-ka-ya(w) and so on. It is quite clear that both of the endings are divine names, either names of gods or words simply meaning 'god'; so it looks as if Ebrum made some major alteration in the religion of Ebla at this time. Whether -ya(w) is related to the Biblical Yahweh, the one God of Israel whose name replace the earlier form of El, is a matter for debate..."
- Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

"We sometimes find the most surprising survival of Canaanite mythology in monotheistic Israel. An example is the conception of God as president of a court of the gods, bene'el, whether thought of as a divine guild or as the divine family, 'el here of course of a proper name, El (God) the King Paramount. The psalm in Deuteronomy 32 begins by rating Israel for her lapses from the faith and ends with the assurance of the destruction of her enemies. The history of Israel is depicted as originating in the apportionment of Israel to her God Yahweh by the Most High in the assembly of 'the sons of El' (so the ancient Greek version for the meaningless Hebrew 'the sons of Israel', a desperate effort to avoid embarrassment). The date of this poem is a matter of dispute. The condemnation of Israel's gross apostasy, the statement of the divine chastisement and particularly the assurance of relief and the affliction of her enemies is reminiscent of the framework of the narratives of the great Judges in Judges 3:7-12:6, which may be dated c.900 B.C. Deuteronomy 32:8 f then represents the first stage of the Israelite adaptation of the conception of God's presidency of the divine court from Canaanite mythology. The conception of God simply as first among divine peers was not one with which Israel could remain long content, and was soon countered by the specific rebuke of the divine court."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

"God has taken His place in the assembly of the gods (lit. 'sons of El'),
He declares His judgment among the gods: '
How long will you give crooked judgment,
and favor the wicked?
You ought to sustain the case of the weak and the orphan;
You ought to vindicate the destitute and down-trodden
You ought to rescue the weak and the poor,
To deliver them from the power of the wicked
You (Hebrew 'they') walk in darkness
While all earth's foundations are giving away.
I declare 'Gods you may be,
Sons of the Most high, all of you;
Yet you shall die as men,
You shall fall as one of the bright ones."
- Psalm 82:1-7

"In the final line we read sharim for sarim ('princes'), from which it is indistinguishable in the Hebrew manuscripts, and find another reference to the fall of Athtar the bright Venus star in Isaiah 14:12 ff and in the myth of Baal."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

synergy777

12-11-2008, 05:46 PM

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/canaan.html#Name

Yahweh, the God of Israel
"In the Middle Bronze age, groups of Canaanites moved into northern Egypt and established a local dynasty called the Hyksos, who eventually took over the whole of Egypt. Only in the Late Bronze Age, in about 1550 BC, did the Egyptian pharaohs expel the Hyksos, launch a military campaign against Canaan, and bring it under Egyptian control. Egypt imposed heavy taxes on Canaan, but in return the Canaanite cities gained security and better access to international markets. In the reign of Ramses II (1304-1237 BC), the empire was reorganized. Key strategic cities like Beth Shan and Gaza were strengthened, others were allowed to decline. Many people were made homeless and migrated to the Judean hill country, where they established small farming settlements. These dispossessed Canaanites, known to the Egyptians as Hapiru (or Hebrews), formed the basis of what was to become Israel."
- Bible Lands

"...A popular theory among Biblical scholars today is that Israel emerged from peoples indigenous to Canaan in the mid 12th century BC. If this is true, then Biblical history and chronology prior to ca. 1150 BC would have to be jettisoned. Proponents of the '12th century emergence theory' maintain that the Israelites did not come into Canaan from outside to conquer the land around 1400 BC, as the Bible indicates. The emergence scenario would also reject the historicity of the Wilderness Wanderings, Exodus, Egyptian Sojourn and the Patriarchal narratives. However, if Israel were an established entity in Canaan already in 1210 BC, as the Merneptah Stela implies, then the 12th century emergence theory would be refuted (Bimson 1991, 'Merenptah's Israel and recent Theories of Israelite Origins'. Journal for the Study of the Old Testament 49: 3-29). If Israel was well established by the end of the 13th century, it could not have come into being in the middle of the next century."
- Bryant G. Wood of Associates for Biblical Research, "The Merneptah Stela"

"....Israel was initially an association of villages in the Bethel and Samaria hills from about 1230 BCE. This group of people possessed oral traditions about a common ancestor, Jacob, and stories about the struggles of tribal leaders with Canaanite cities (cp. Genesis 34, Judges 4-5 and 9, and possibly Joshua 9 and 12). The villages may also have been united by faith in Yahweh, who had delivered the ancestors of some of those now settled in Canaan from slavery in Egypt. Among these people there was probably a group who were custodians of the stories about the Exodus and who observed the Passover. Judah was a separate entity with traditions about an ancestor, Abraham, who had settled in the Hebron area, and traditions about tribal leaders who had fought against Canaanite cities (cp. Judges 1: 11-17, and possibly Joshua 10). We are not suggesting that the traditions as now written down in the Old Testament are identical with their oral form or content in the period 1230 to 1050 BCE."
- John Rogerson and Philip Davies, The Old Testament World

The Protoindo European god Yayash, Yaë or Yave, a protective god whose symbol was a tree, signifying possibly '"walking", "going", "a pilgrim", has been dated back to the Indus River valley, circa 2900 B.C.E. He has been identified with the Turko Syrian Yahveh, a "sacred animal or organization".

"Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush."
"A shorter form, 'Yah', was also used (Exodus 15:2) and some scholars believe that this is the older form, originating in an exclamation to God - 'Yah!' - which came to be accepted as the divine name. Others claim that it is from the root 'hayah', 'to be' or 'to become', and that it meant 'I am that I am' or I will be that I will be'. According to one tradition of the call of Moses, the divine name Yahweh was revealed to him in Egypt:"
- Great Events of Bible Times

"To Abraham, Isaac and Jacob I appeared as El Shaddai, but I did not make the name Yahweh known to them'."
- Exodus 6:3

"Every Egyptian magician...believed that he who possessed the true name possessed the very being of god or man, and could force even a deity to obey him as a slave obeys his master. Thus the art of the magician consisted in obtaining from the gods a revelation of their sacred names, and he left no stone unturned to accomplish his end."
- Sir James Frazer, The Golden Bough

"God instructed Moses that he should return to Egypt in order to lead his people out of their bondage there. Before agreeing, however, the prophet asked the name of the strange and powerful being who had addressed him ['in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush']....The Lord, however did not respond directly to the prophet's question. Instead he replied briefly and enigmatically with these words: "I AM WHO I AM'. By way of further clarification he then added: 'I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob' [Exodus 3:14 and 3:6]."
- Graham Hancock, The Sign and the Seal

"To the Hebrew mind the 'name' stands for 'nature', and in answer to Moses' plea to be given an immediate sight of God, God promises to reveal just as much of his 'nature' that mortal man could bear."
- Marshall Cavendish, Genesis & Exodus

In Exodus "God was no longer simply 'El' (plural 'Elohim'), but YHWH ('I am that I am'), which in the Authorized Version was transliterated as 'Jehovah' by combining the Hebrew consonants and the vowels of the Hebrew word for 'Lord' when excessive reverence had made later Jews reluctant to pronounce the divine name itself, nowadays called Yahweh. The covenant with Yahweh elevated the concept of worship from a hopeful appeasement of the willful and haphazard forces of nature to a dynamic and determined arrangement with none other than the sole creator of the universe."
- Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family: Y represented El the Father; H was Asherah the Mother; W corresponded to He the Son; and H was the Daughter Anath."
- Laurence Gardner, Bloodline of the Holy Grail, p. 18

"When all the people witnessed the thunder and lighting, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking, they were afraid and trembled and stood at a distance..."
- Exodus 20:18

"As specifically the name of the Covenant God, it was thereafter used of the Israelite deity, often in contrast with the gods of other peoples. With the Covenant, Yahweh had adopted Israel as his people and, as a jealous god, demanded total allegiance from them. They were to worship no other god but Yahweh. Much later, the Jewish exiles in Babylon were given an explicit statement of Yahwistic monotheism. 'I am Yahweh, and there is no other, there is no other god but me'(Isaiah 45:5)."
- Great Events of Bible Times

"The stories of this meeting are told in Exodus 19-34, chapters which combine several different sources, laws and notions of God's encounters with his people. They are a wonderful jungle, parts of which are now dated, convincingly, by scholarly argument to the seventh and sixth centuries BC."
- Robin Lane Fox, The Unauthorized Version

"The 'P' scribe is usually associated with the opening version of the creation story (Genesis 1) as well as with the use of the term Yahweh for God. He is also claimed to be the later of the two that is to have drafted this version approximately around the 5th century during the Babylonian exile. The 'J' scribe is usually viewed as the author responsible for the earlier rendition of the story (Genesis 2,3,4) and to have drafted this account around 8th century B.C.E. He is also commonly associated with the scribe using the term Elohim for God."
- "The Text: What is Its Age and Who Wrote It"

"...When the Israelites came to worship their god under the name of Yahweh...the term El as a name for 'god' survived only in the old narrative about the patriarchs and in some literary forms, such as the Psalms. In much the same way, the obsolete 'thee' and 'thou' survive in modern liturgical usage and in poetry, although the words long ago dropped out of spoken English."
- The Israelites

"One of the earliest heroes from the time of the initial invasion was the warrior Jerubbaal who later changed his name to Gideon. (His original name was certainly Canaanite honoring the god Baal, which probably illustrates that at the time Yahweh was not as entrenched as the later authors of the Old Testament would like us to believe.)"
"For many, Yahweh was no more than the Israelite war god, useful in time of battle but a fairly lowly figure when viewed against the full pantheon of the gods. The names given to notable Israelites down the ages whose a strong respect for Baal, and even the most ardent Yahwist would not pretend that the Jews of this period believed in only one god."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

"The servants of the king of Aram said to him, 'Their gods are gods of the hills, and so they were stronger than we; but let us fight against them in the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they.'"
- I Kings 20:23

"In Moab, the Number One was called Chemosh; in Israel, people looked especially (but not solely) to Yahweh: it is most striking that Saul, the first king, gave one of his sons a name after the god Baal and that his other so, Jonathan did the same. From time to time Chemosh or Yahweh might be angry with their worshippers, and, as a result (people believed), their wars or weather could be unpredictable. To win Chemosh or Yahweh's favor, they had to offer animals and pay worship in their temples. Eventually, the gods' anger would moderate (in due course people's fortunes improved, if only from bad to less bad), and meanwhile the priests lived off the necessary offerings. All the while, worshippers were realistic about death. At best there might be a ghostly existence for a few people in an underworld, but when they died, they died for ever. Their bodies returned to earth which nobody would judge or bring back to life."
- Robin Lane Fox, The Unauthorized Version

"Beginning in the seventh and sixth centuries BCE, several Israelite writers (especially Jeremiah, the Deuteronomist, and Second Isaiah) explicitly rejected the notion that there were gods other that Yahweh, and depicted the 'hosts of heaven' as a foreign intrusion in Israelite monotheism."
- Oxford Companion to the Bible

macgyver

12-11-2008, 07:11 PM

(BTW, I'm suprised you haven't picked up on it by now, but I am a "him" so I'm sure you mean that in the straightest, most manly, and again let me emphasize non-gay way possible.:D)

I had a good laugh while reading this, thanks dude :D

snoopsnuffleopagus

12-11-2008, 07:22 PM

Hi Syn; excellent Post. The Archaeological evidence certainly bolsters many aspects of the Biblical Narrative.

Have you read this National Revelation? If true, it distinquishes this School of Thought from all other Schools of Thought.

http://www.aish.com/shavuotsinai/sha...at_Sinai$_.asp

A Revelation of YHWH to over Two Million Humans at once. that is very Unique.

Dr. Michael S Heiser has 'gleaned' from the Hebrew, that Yahweh is a 'Species Unique'. Thus it is Yahweh who stands in Judgement in the assembly of the gods.

Yahshua Messiah is also Unique.

Check out the Divine Council. Also he is a very capable translater of the Sumerian Texts and the Book of Enoch. The Sumerian scribes actually were so refined they compiled Dictionaries and Word Lists. There is alot of excellent evidence.
http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

The Lachish Letters; one of the very oldest examples of the Tetragrammaton in script:
http://www.bible-history.com/archaeo...h-letters.html

serpentoffire

12-11-2008, 08:44 PM

I finished today to read:
Key to the True Qabalah by Franz Bardon

http://www.scribd.com/doc/5366677/Key-to-the-True-QabalahFranz-Bardon

since pag. 138

In quabbalistic writings the Divine Name "J-H-V-H" is frequently mentioned and described. I will now indicate some quabbalistic influences of these 3-4 letters, i.e., of the "Jod-H-V-H" and what may be achieved by them in the mental and astral as well as the material world.

By the three- letter name "J-H-W" in which the second H is missing, the quabbalistic faculty of miraculous healing may be attained. If the letters are 3-dimensionally volted by quabbalah, this formula may be used for protection against assaults by enemies. Should anyone dare attack the quabbalist in spite of this, the protective volts produced in the astral, mental and material worlds can bring about the death of the assailant. The "J-H-W" formula is therefore called the quabbalistic formula of back-stroke.

Furthermore, the 3-letter na me "J-H-W" is also used in connection with another letter which is not to be regarded as formula but merely used phonetically as a basic letter.

If, for instance, the "J" is connected with an "o", the latter has to stand as a small letter after the former. Only the "J" is used, i.e., volted, quabbalistically, but is phonetically pronounced as "Jo". The same applies to the second, third and fourth letters.

The formula "Jo-Ho-W" used quabbalistically in the mental, astral and material world, leads to the absolute power of achieving everything in these.

The formula "Ja-Ha-W" creates -- via the mental and astral world, and from there in the material world -- all the situations that lead to riches and wealth in the material world.

The formula "Joe-Hoe-W" brings about perfect harmony in the mental, astral and material worlds, i.e., if used mentally, astrally and materially -- eucharistically -- which then must result in perfect health. The same formula, though connected with "o" instead of "oe", i.e., "Jo-Ho-W" leads to absolute power as possessed by the Omnipotent, which also means absolute mastery over health, be it one's own, or the health of other human beings, or of animals.

The gift of prophecy, no matter whether mental, astral or material, may be attained quabbalistically by the two formulas "Ju-H-W" and "We-He-Bi".

Love and friendship, for oneself as well as for others, may be achieved by the J-H-W formula, i.e., by "Je-He-W".

To be given joys and pleasures one should use the formula "Jo-Ho-W", but by "Wo-Ho-W" the same may be achieved.

Success in matters of friendship is brought about by the formula "Ji-Wi-H" but also by "Ju-H-W", "Ja-H-W", "Ji-H-W", and by the pure "J-H-W".

All these formulas may also bring about the annihilation of an enemy. Not, though, by the quabbalist being the assailant himself, but by the enemy's own annihilation at these quabbalistic formulas. For the quabbalist mastering them has the highest protection.

Special protection against negative beings of all kinds and spheres is offered by the formula "Ju-H-W".

Special luck in all undertakings is secured by the help of the "Jau-H-W" formula. Satisfaction is brought about by "Je-W-W".

These are only small hints as to the practical use of formulas with the 3- letter name of "J-H-W". There are a lot of them; some, however, being of a secret nature about which one is not allowed to speak and which do not belong to the scope of the third tarot card.

The formula "A-L-Z" offers absolute mastery over the air principle and also mastery over the air spirits of all ranks.

The "O-W-Y" formula imparts the mastery over the spirits of the earth. So does the formula "G-O-B".

With these small examples I may now finish my treatise on the use of the threefold key and the use of divine names by 3- letter formulas. All these formulas are traditional and have always been confided only to a few initiates by high-ranking intelligences. They have been kept a secret up to this date. Since this is a matter appertaining to the third tarot card, the description of which has been permitted by Divine Providence, I have been allowed to publish a few formulas.

Footnote to the third key:

The quabbalist will surely notice that the Tattwic Table of Analogies is nothing else but a fraction of the knowledge of the elements and that in Indian terminology the elements have names consisting of three letters. I may indicate these names as a footnote. The relevant analogies will be found in the respective literature.

The LAM formula is analogous to the Earth Principle.
The VAM formula is analogous to the Water Principle.
The PAM formula is analogous to the Air Principle.
The RAM formula is analogous to the Fire Principle.
The HAM formula is analogous to the Akasa principle.

This terminology will lead every reader to the universal mantra formula of AUM,
which represents the so-called Brahma formula.

since pag. 147

Similar to the use of the "J-H-W" as a threefold key denoting the name of God, there is also the fourfold key serving the same purpose, i.e., the formula "J-H-W-H".

This four- letter name of God is very often called Jehova or Adonai in Hebrew quabbalah.

Just as a matter of interest I may at least indicate a few combinations of the fourfold key with the letters "J-H-W-H". If I would mention all the keys that are that are quabbalistically analogous to this name, I should have to indicate 256 formulas, which is not possible for technical reasons. Thus I have chosen such formulas that are, firstly, less known and that are, secondly, only used by the quabbalists who are well acquainted with Hebrew quabbalah.

The pure formula "J-H-W-H", i.e., this formula without any phonetic annex of other letters, is generally used for curing very sick people by quabbalah. Depending on the way in which this formula is charged, or the purpose it should serve respectively, it may also be successfully used for business matters.

If the first letter of this formula is given a phonetic annex in the form of another letter, many more things may be achieved by it. Thus, for instance, the formula "Ja-H-W-H" brings on riches and success in love and is also effectively used for curing lunatics.

The formula "Je-H-W-H" helps one to attain the friendship of very important persons, arouses love and leads to erotic satisfaction.

The formula "Ji-H-W-H" imparts power over friends and makes it possible to learn about their future.

The formula "Jo-H-W-H" helps one in gaining control over other people and also imparts superiority over other beings.

The formula "Ju-H-W-H" secures the appropriation of astrological knowledge, makes one see the connections between the planets of our universe and leads to might on our earth. One may also make use of this formula, should one want to be endowed with divine mercy.

A very effective formula combination with a phonetic annex is "Jau-H-W-H" which brings about and contributes to happy mood, verifies plans for the future, leads to riches, a.s.o.

serpentoffire

12-11-2008, 09:01 PM

Please see the Agrippa's seal in the centre of my book of magic:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/agrippa-seal.jpg

kasalt

13-11-2008, 08:12 AM

Speaking of the use of the Tetragrammaton in majic and the occult, it turns out that the Tarot also makes extensive use of the Tetragrammaton.

http://www.godswebsite.com/images/Tarot10.jpg
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We see from the wheel that all manifestations are a direct outpouring of God because of the letters surrounding the outer wheel. We see the T O R A. Read counter-clockwise it's Torah; read clockwise it's Tarot. What do those funny little symbols between the T A R O mean? Well, between the “T” and the “A,” that little squiggle thing is a Yod, that is a "Y". Between the “T” and the “O,” we have a Heh. Between the “O” and the “R,” there is a Vav. And, between the “A” and the “R,” there is another Heh. That spells YHWH. That is Yahweh. That is the holy Tetragrammaton.

If we read counter-clockwise, what do we have? We have YHWH. If we read clockwise, what do we have? YHWH. This is not a coincidence. If you start with the “R” and read clockwise, it's Rota, which is the wheel. We discussed this way back with the High Priestess. Rota is the wheel. Torah is the revelation of God's holy mind in scripture. Tarot is the unveiling. The Tarot is the hidden wisdom which we are attempting to unveil, all be it ever so slightly. And what the wheel says is that the Wheel of Fortune, both the Tarot and the Torah, are Yahweh.

Inside of the Wheel, there are 8 spokes. These 8 spokes refer to the 8 normal cardinal points on the compass: north, east, south, and west; northeast, southeast, southwest, and northwest. On the axis, we see some symbols. Those are symbols for chemical elements: salt, sulfur, mercury and water. I will leave it to you to meditate upon the importance and value of these symbols. Their chemical structure can, in fact, reveal aspects of the Wheel of Fortune to us.

To the left hand side of the wheel, there is a yellow snake, and under the right hand side of the wheel, there is this red strange creature. These are obscure references to Greek mythology. The snake is Typhon; the red bizarre creature is Hermanubis. Without going into great detail, they symbolize transformation, blessing, and decay. The sphinx is the stabilizing image. The snake is the transforming image. The Hermanubis is the decay image. God is the creator, preserver and destroyer of the universe. All three manifestations are necessary for existence--creation, preservation and destruction--birth, life and death. They are all surrounding the wheel.

The last images we see are in the four corners, these angelic beings holding books. The beings, reading counter-clockwise from upper left, are an angel, a bull, a cow, and a eagle. These creatures come from two places in the Bible. The book of Ezekiel is intimately related to this card. Ezekiel has a vision of the throne of God. God's throne is sitting upon these different wheels, which have wheels within wheels within wheels. Attached to these wheels are four living creatures. The book of Revelation chapter 4 reiterates this vision where John in his heavenly vision sees the throne of God and sees the living creatures--the angel, the bull, the ox, and the eagle. They are there to help reveal God's word.

Notice that on the card, they are all holding a book. This is to indicate that these creatures of divine special revelation stand around the throne of God. They contain within themselves, and they control the unveiling of God's divine infinite mind. These beings are attached to the Wheel of Fortune. Once again, the Tarot is telling us that all cycles of natural manifestation--earth, life and death, creation, preservation and destruction--are a simultaneously natural unfolding of the creation and a divine revelation of supernatural importance.

Every day that you wake up to brush your teeth, the full revelation of God is there screaming at you. Every time a bird flies through the sky and lands upon a tree branch, God is singing to you sermons so loud that the only reason you do not hear them is because you have had to cut them out. Or else, because of their glorious refrain, you would not be able to function in the day to day world. The glorious celestial choir, which is singing through every moment of this random, chaotic and deterministic world, so overwhelms our human soul, that we block out the light in order to be able to function and worry about our egos and our money and our conquest of other human beings.
The Wheel of Fortune says it need not be so. Through the Wheel of Fortune, we recognize that we can quite literally have our cake and eat it too. We can live in the normal world and suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. We can become richer and poorer. We can live as normal mortal human beings. But, we can recognize that every moment is the Torah, the Tarot, and Yod Heh Vav Heh.

This is a card of great conflux, bringing together all aspects of religious revelation and natural science, bringing together all aspects of our lives into one central point. That point is the axis.
Source: "Trump 10", http://www.godswebsite.com/Tarot/Tarot10.htm

See also: "The Truth About Tarot Cards", http://www.godswebsite.com/Tarot/tarottoc.htm

Homepage: The Church of Yahweh, http://www.godswebsite.com/

snoopsnuffleopagus

13-11-2008, 01:48 PM

snoopsnuffleopagus

13-11-2008, 02:03 PM

As an Adult, Very Experienced and Well Read: It is my learned opinion that the kabbala and the tarot are masturbatory endeavours.

Why am I not surprised that serpy and kasalt indulge in self-gratification.:rolleyes:

http://watch.pair.com/HRkabbalah.html

THE KABBALAH

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord. Deut. 18:10-12

We see over and over in the Old Testament that the Hebrew people fell from obeying the Law and embraced witchcraft and sorcery, Baal worship and all manner of idolatry. Throughout the Old Testament we encounter their obedience, disobedience, repentance and constant struggle to remain faithful to God and His Law. Their tenacity and desire to obey the Law cannot be disputed. The question will be addressed whether the Jew's disobedient practices were, and are still, taught in the oral traditions which evolved into the Talmud and Kabbalah and which are referenced by various Hebrew Roots leaders.

Jewish Mysticism

The Kabbalah itself consists of a large body of speculation on the nature of divinity, the creation, the origin and fate of the soul and also the role of human beings. It generally is subdivided into four sections: meditative, devotional, mystical and magical. It is for this reason that Kabbalah is regarded as an esoteric offshoot of Judaism.

The gnosis of the Kabbalah is well recognized by Jewish scholars. From an article cited in the Jewish Enclyclopœdia, we see the intimate relationship between Gnosticism and the Cabala:

"...The Jewish Encyclopœdia quotes the opinion that 'the central doctrine of Gnosticism -a movement closely connected with Jewish mysticism-was nothing else than the attempt to liberate the soul and unite it with God;' but as this was apparently to be effected 'through the employment of mysteries, incantations, names of angels,' etc… it will be seen how widely even this phase of Gnosticism differs from Christianity and identifies itself with the magical Cabala of the Jews. Indeed, the man generally recognised as the founder of Gnosticism, a Jew commonly known as Simon Magus, was not only a Cabalist mystic, but avowedly a magician… instituted a priesthood of the Mysteries and practiced occult arts and exorcisms…"

M. Matter states in Histoire du Gnosticisme, that Jewish scholars fully understand that the secret oral traditions of the Cabala were previous to any Christian gnosticism.
"The Cabala is anterior to the Gnosis, an opinion which Christian writers little understand, but which the erudites of Judaism profess with a legitimate assurance."2.

In Some Notes on Various Gnostic Sects and their Possible Influence in Freemasonry, D.F. Ranking remarks that the secret oral tradition of the Cabalists confirms them as being Gnostics.

"This claim to the possession of a secret oral tradition, whether known under the name of [similar to yvwois only in Greek]…or of Cabala, confirms the conception of the Gnostics as Cabalists and shows how far they had departed from Christian teaching. For if only in this idea of 'one doctrine for the ignorant and another for the initiated,' that Gnostics had restored the very system which Christianity had come to destroy."3.
Author Nesta Webster concurs with M. Matter and other historians that Gnosticism involved an attempt to cabalize Christianity.

"... M. Matter is therefore right in saying that Gnosticism was not a defection from Christianity, but a combination of systems into which a few Christian elements were introduced. The result of Gnosticism was thus not to Christianize the Cabala, but to cabalize Christianity by mingling its pure and simple teaching with theosophy and even magic." 4.

Jacob Prasch of Moriel, however, does not recognize Jewish mysticism as Gnosticism:
"People began reinterpreting the Bible, not using the Jewish method of midrash, but using Greek methods. Typology and allegory. Midrash uses typology and allegory-symbols-in order to illustrate and illumine doctrine…"

"The symbolism illustrates the doctrine, which is itself stated plainly elsewhere in Scripture…In the Gnostic world of Greek thinking, the opposite happens. Gnostics claim to have received a subjective, mystical insight-called a gnosis-into the symbols. They then reinterpret the plain meaning of the text in light of the gnosis. For Gnostics, symbolism is the basis for their doctrine, contrary to the ancient Jewish methods…" 5.

In The Sacred Books of the Jews, Harry Gersh certifies the early origins of Jewish mysticism:

"Jewish mysticism began in Biblical days, long before the term Kabbalah was invented. By the first century it had become a proper subject for scholarly study. Philo Judaeus speculated on the Platonic idea of emanations as intermediaries between God and the physical world. The Roman philosopher Plotinus (205-270) traveled in the East and returned to combine Indian, Persian, Greek, and Jewish mystic theories into a systematic structure of these emanations." 6.

"…H. Loewe, in an article on the Kabbala in Hastings' Encyclopœdia of Religion and Ethics, says: 'This secret mysticism was no late growth. …we can be fairly certain that its roots stretch back very far and that the mediæval and Geonic Kabbala was the culmination and not the inception of Jewish esoteric mysticism. …'" 7.

The Kabbalah derives from ancient wisdom, such as Jacob Prasch mentioned previously.
"As the Kabbalah evolved, it came to share certain ideas with other ancient mystical systems, including those of the Gnostics and Pythagoreans. The Kabbalah did not restrict itself solely to instruction on the apprehension of God but included teachings on cosmology, angelology, and magic." 8

Despite God's many warnings, the Jews incorporated paganism into their traditions.
"… In spite of the imprecations against sorcery contained in the law of Moses, the Jews, disregarding these warnings, caught the contagion and mingled the sacred tradition they had inherited with magical ideas partly borrowed from other races and partly of their own devising. At the same time the speculative side of the Jewish Cabala borrowed from the philosophy of the Persian Magi, of the Neo-Platonists, and of the Neo-Pythagorean. There is, then, some justification for the anti-cabalists contention that what we know today as the Cabala is not of purely Jewish origin." 9.

Harry Gersh shows the migration of the Middle Eastern Kabbalists throughout Europe:
"From Babylonia and Palestine, Jewish mysticism moved into the Jewish communities of Europe and blossomed there. Every community produced its own mystic literature, mystic belief, and mystic practices. There were distinctive Spanish, French, Italian, and German Kabbalahs. Some were mainly 'practical', dealing in magic; others were mainly 'speculative', emphasizing philosophical explanations; many combined practical and speculative Kabbalah in equal parts." 10.

History of Kabbalah

Colin Low's Kabbalah FAQ indicates that the origins of Kabbalah date from remote antiquity.

"…Kabbalah is a mystical and magical tradition which originated nearly two thousand years ago and has been practiced continuously during that time. It has been practiced by Jew and non- Jew alike for about five hundred years. On the Jewish side it has been an integral and influential part of Judaism. On the Hermetic side it has created a rich mystical and magical tradition with its own validity, a tradition which has survived despite the prejudice generated through existing within a strongly Christian culture." 11.
Michael Sidlofsky of Toronto, writing on "Kabbalah and Jewish Renewal" states that Kabbalah...

"…is the most commonly-used term for the Jewish mystical tradition, especially the kind which originated in twelfth-century France and spread through Europe, the Middle East and eventually world-wide, to this day. The two main varieties of pre-kabbalistic Jewish mysticism are called Maaseh Merkavah and Maaseh Bereshit (more on these below), and the particular variety emerging in eighteenth-century Eastern Europe and continuing among Ashkenazic Jews until today is called Hasidism." 12.

Most scholars concur that these secret oral traditions were first committed to writing around the thirteenth century. Dr. Christian Ginsburg states in "The Kabbalah":
"…The first date at which the Zohar is definitely known to have appeared is the end of the thirteenth century when it was committed to writing by a Spanish Jew, Moses de Leon…." 13.

Renaissance scholar Pico della Mirandola - a Gnostic, Hermeticist and Cabalist - was described by Vicomte Léon de Poncins’ in Judaism and the Vatican as a hebraiser of Christians:

"Pico de Mirandola, who died in Florence, Italy in 1494, was a hebraiser who devoted himself to studying the Cabbala under the direction of Jewish masters such as Jehuda Abravanel:

"It was in the princely house of Pico de Mirandola that the Jewish scholars used to meet….The discovery of the Jewish Cabbala, which he imparted to various enlightened Christians contributed far more than the return to Greek sources to the extraordinary spiritual blossoming which is known as the Renaissance. About half a century later, the rehabilitation of the Talmud was to lead to the Reformation….Pico de Mirandola had understood that the indispensable purification of Christian dogma could only be effected after a profound study of the authentic Jewish Cabbala." 14.

James Webb, author of The Occult Underground, wrote that Pico della Mirandola, a student of Marsillo Ficino, founder of the neo-Platonic Academy of Florence, "...conceived of Hermes and Plato as aids to persuading those to religion who would not accept Scripture alone."

Perusing further we see the presentation of a Trinity, alongside other "Christian" statements but it is clearly not Christian in content. The way to heaven is described through the use of Gematria.

"Thus the Qabalah is called ChKMh NSThRH, Chokhmah Nesthorah, 'the secret wisdom;' and if we take the initials of these two words Ch and N, we form by the second kind of Notariqon the word ChN, Chen, 'grace.' Similarly, from the initials and finals of the words MI IOLH LNV HShMIMH, Mi Iaulah Leno Ha-Shamayimah, 'Who shall go up for us to heaven?' (Deut. xxx. 12), are formed MILH, Milah 'circumcision,' and IHVH, the Tetragrammaton, implying that God hath ordained circumcision as the way to heaven." 20.

Gematria is based on the relative numerical values of words. Words of similar numerical values are considered to be explanatory of each other. In other words, it is lettered numerology which explains that circumcision is the way to heaven.

However, Galatians 5:2-6 states: "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

Influence of Kabbalah

Mysticism is met with varied reactions within the Jewish community.

"…Like most subjects of Jewish belief, the area of mysticism is wide open to personal interpretation. Some traditional Jews take mysticism very seriously. Mysticism is an integral part of Chasidic Judaism, for example, and passages from kabbalistic sources are routinely included in traditional prayerbooks." 21.

"Other traditional Jews take mysticism with a grain of salt. One prominent Orthodox Jew, when introducing a speaker on the subject of Jewish mysticism, said basically 'it's nonsense, but it's Jewish nonsense, and the study of anything Jewish, even nonsense, is worthwhile.'" 22.

Jewish historian Graetz claimed that the Cabala is at variance with Orthodox Judaism. Other anti-Cabalists such as Theodore Reinach declare that the Cabala is:
"…a subtle poison which enters into the veins of Judaism and wholly infests it.; Salomon Reinach calls it 'one of the worst aberrations of the human mind.'" 23.
Michael Sidlofsky in "Kabbalah-A Brief History" shows that the Kabbalah has fluctuated in its popularity among Jews.

"The history of Jewish mysticism has taken some dramatic turns, from elite, secretive club to mass movement to object of scorn and back and forth. Right now the Kabbalah seems to be enjoying unprecedented popularity. Will it become, either in its Orthodox or Jewish Renewal forms, the Judaism of the future? It is premature to say so, but one thing seems clear: given the trend towards easier and faster mass communication and the increasing hunger for genuine spirituality, Jewish mysticism as a widespread phenomenon is here to stay this time." 24.

Kabbalah is also making a huge influx into North America. Michael Sidlofsky maintains the interest in mysticism has risen dramatically.
"…A more traditional American Orthodox rabbi, Aryeh Kaplan, spent the seventies and early eighties reconstructing the forgotten Jewish meditative tradition by researching long-neglected kabbalistic texts, many only extant in manuscript. He boldly disregarded the centuries-old rabbinic ban on the dissemination of kabbalistic practices among those under forty and unschooled in Bible and Talmud--a result of the Shabbetai Tzvi tragedy--by teaching Jewish meditation classes and publishing practical manuals and source readers on the subject. Thanks largely to Kaplan's efforts, many Orthodox rabbis and lay people have taught and written about Kabbalah, recognizing its appeal to non-practicing Jews searching for spritual guidance." 25.
Israeli journalist, Hannah Newman, wrote "Masters of the Blinding Light" to warn fellow Jews of the infiltration of New Age mysticism, via Kabbalah, into Judaism. The door-to-door sale of the Zohar throughout Israel may result in the replacement of the Torah with Kabbalah.

"In a similar development on the mystical side of Judaism, N[ew] A[ge] spokesmen applaud orthodox Jewish teachers for recently releasing Kabbalah from the restricted access imposed on it by past generations of Jewish sages, making its teachings available to all, and even encouraging free exploration without rabbinic supervision. In Israel the Zohar (a major Kabbalistic work) is even being sold door-to-door. [This is strictly forbidden under the 'old order' of Judaism, but NAers(LOL) are not concerned with proper understanding of the teaching, since Kabbalah is simply one path to their goal of getting as many people as possible, as quickly as possible, into 'contact with the spirit realm'].

These teachers are being hailed as 'co-conspirators' who are furthering the NA Plan. [not stated whether deliberately or unknowingly, but the results will be the same.] From the NA standpoint, however, the value of Jewish Kabbalah lies only in its teachings which overlap "the other ancient occult doctrines", specifically: reincarnation; traffic with angels, demons and departed human spirits; 'monism' (light and darkness, good and evil, are all sides of G-d); attributing 'secret messages' or 'hidden meanings' to words or statements which mean something else at face value; self-induced trances, resulting in visions or 'astral' (out-of-body) travels; and harnessing of superhuman powers by pronouncing sacred names. (LOL)

[It is noteworthy that none of these can be supported by a clear (pashat or darash) Torah passage, while some are expressly forbidden; yet they are arguably the best-known elements of Kabbalah today. The fact that they are accepted by so many Torah Jews in spite of their dubious relevance to Torah, only supports the claims of the NA missionaries.]

The NA goal is to promote a Kabbalah in the Jewish community which goes through successive 'transformations' until it is finally severed from all links with the Torah, thus 'recovering' its 'purity'." 26.

As Jesus said to the Pharisees: "Your traditions have made the Word of God of none effect"

Looks like pure wankery to me. lol

macgyver

13-11-2008, 02:28 PM

hello serpy, kasalt:

thank you for bringing this information forward. I did notice that neither of you ever provide Dates of Origins of this misuse of the Tetragrammaton, which has been in Biblical, oral tradition usage since approximately 3,800 BCE,.

The kabbalah originated in babylon long after the Hebrews first used the Tetragrammaton to identify their Heavenly Father Yahweh, this was originally passed on through Oral Transmission.

Likewise the tarot has its origins in babylon. Most historians agree that when the Yahdaim/jews; were brought captive to babylon, is when the misuse of the Tetragrammaton began.

It is very relevant to notice that those who misuse the Tetragrammaton are not upholding or keeping YHWHs Laws. So whatever minicule power they may perceive is actually non-existant.

The tarot and kabbala are mental masturbations. Why am I not surprised you; kasalt and serpy so ardently enjoy that. lol :D :rolleyes:

serpy; kasalt: lol :D

http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/andre/images/yahweh_edited.jpg

Hi Snoop, couple of questions. I haven't understood what you mean with mental masturbations, could you please explain it to me?
Also, has the YHWH-human-torch something to do with your last post (since you already posted it before, concerning another topic) or was it just as a reminder?
Then, have you found any evidence of Allah and YHWH being the same letters rotated in reverse order? I have looked it up with google, but haven't found anything siginificant, partially because I didn't know what words to search for. "Allah YHWH reversed" didn't yield useful results...

serpentoffire

13-11-2008, 03:41 PM

The tarot and kabbala are mental masturbations. Why am I not surprised you; kasalt and serpy so ardently enjoy that. lol :D :rolleyes:
serpy; kasalt: lol :D

The only person that masturbate himself with YHWH craps it is only you, my Hebraic brainwashed puppet.
Your god is just only an egregor of astral world, inferior to our physical world and you are just a slave of my slaves.

snoopsnuffleopagus

13-11-2008, 04:22 PM

Biengiorno; gammagooch:

First and Foremost; I am a Gentile who embraces Yahwism.

Apparently your knowledge of History is deficient; as Yahwism predates Judaism. I have explained this to you before. On numerous occassions, perhaps someday it shall penetrate your robust Cranial Bone and take hold.

In NYC. I quite often hear disparaging names directed at the Italians which are amongst us. I do not consider people by their Race, Gender or Beliefs, rather I consider the behaviour that I am personally aware of. Thus; if I desire to disparage someone, I use the Generic Title of Office: A**H***.

You have built a fragile house based upon modern speculative conjecture. medievil alchemy produces no Tangible benefits to you or anyone else, other than being a progenitor of some modern chemistry. Of course the Chemists and Physicists scoff at your speculative conjecture because they 'know better'.

Your convictions fail when you attempt to embrace the New Testament, which in reality, reinforces and amplifys the Old Testament.

Rather, like many catholics and xtians, you embrace 'Buffetarianism'.

'I'd like a little of this, some of that, oh, that looks tasty, put some of that on my plate. Buffetarianism lol

I shall visit your bonny little thread of medievil alchemy, and we shall explore the origins of your beloved beliefs in detail.

One of my favourite verses in the New Testament is: ' first to the Yahdai, then to the Greek'.

Perhaps you would share whatever insights you have asto what is implied in this verse.

Gracias in Advance. :)

Also, for matters of clarification, so that we may better understand each other, I have queried a few Forum Members asto how they define, Biblicaly, the words: Righteous/ness; Sin and Iniquity.

If you would service this request for definitions, I would be very grateful, and our conversations may become more cogent and coherent.

Again; gracias in advance. :)

ciao! goomba

serpentoffire

13-11-2008, 04:41 PM

I ask to moderator to remove the latest offensive post ...and to remove snoop too. :mad::mad:
vaffanculo means fuck you

snoopsnuffleopagus

13-11-2008, 04:56 PM

Relax serpy, while you wait for Moderation, I have summoned the 'Wah'mbulance and Paramedics. They will administer 'Smelling Salts'

I don't know why your panties got all knotted up, I was merely asking for a translation of an Italian word I hear quite often.

Gee, you're very fragile, aren't you?

Allow me to extend my sincere apologies for so discombobulating you that you seek my banishment.

:) your Forum Buddy: Snoopsnuffleopagus

snoopsnuffleopagus

13-11-2008, 06:12 PM

YO! Bubba Serpy:

I have a wonderful 'Present' for you.

Do not think that your efforts are unnoticed or; unappreciated.

Thus, 'we'; would like to 'Gift' you, with a 'Present' that will provide a 'Lifetime' of 'Joy' & 'Delight'.

'Bon Appetit'! :)

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

kasalt

14-11-2008, 07:33 AM

I ask to moderator to remove the latest offensive post ...and to remove snoop too. :mad::mad:
vaffanculo means fuck you

Relax serpy...I was merely asking for a translation of an Italian word I hear quite often.

:rolleyes:

Thou shalt not lie.

dankai

21-11-2008, 03:40 PM

dankai

21-11-2008, 03:46 PM

Hey! lookee what I found! :)

http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/andre/images/yahweh_edited.jpg

As far as spelling variations, I do not understand why they omit the Two Consonants: W & H

The Etymology I have seen is: the Tetragrammaton derived from a Trigrammaton: Yahwe, in usage of Northern Semetic Tribes, an exclamation like: Eureka! Whopee! an inspired exclamation. There was a grammatical change of 'possession from 2nd person to first person? 'he is' to 'I Am'

Yahweh is known by many attributes, many listed in Deuteronomy 34:6-14- http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=606175&postcount=22

. 'Longsuffering, Merciful....When Yahweh tells the Tribes His Laws will prevent them from having the diseases of Egypt, He is known as: Yahweh Rapha=Yahweh our Healer.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=yahweh+the+healer&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Exodus 34:6 Qualities of Yahweh/Link provides Hebrew Text; notice the Tetragrammaton usage in verse 6http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0234.htm
See....I told ya.
"Man" made in the "image" of God.

serpentoffire

30-11-2008, 12:05 PM

Found the real name of jews god in its true tetragrammaton form:

$£€¥

or starting from orient

¥€£$

or the version for Christians

..............£
$ + ¥
.............€

Like currencies, jews god is just virtual!!!

:D:D:D

serpentoffire

30-11-2008, 12:09 PM

Jews remember the romans :D:D:D:D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Pomp%C3%A9e_dans_le_Temple_de_J%C3%A9rusalem.jpg

snoopsnuffleopagus

30-11-2008, 03:39 PM

Hi Serpy :)

That reminded me of Romans 14, one of my favourites; how about you?

Romans 14

Precepts of the Law of Liberty

Accept one who is weak in the faith, but not if he wants to argue and dispute.

For one believes that he may eat all Lawful things; another, who is weak, eats only vegetables. Do not let him who eats be despiteful of him who does not eat, and do not let him who does not eat condemn him who eats; for YHWH has accepted him into His House.

Who are you to condemn someone elses servant? To his own ruler he stands or falls. And he will stand, for YHWH is able to make him stand

One person considers one Feast more holy than another; another considers every Feast of the same holiness. Let everyone be fully warned in his own mind.

He who keeps the Feast, keeps it to YHWH, for he gives thank to Yahweh. And he who eats, eats to Yahweh, for he gives thank to Yahweh. And he who does not eat to Yahweh, is not eating to, nor is thanking Yahweh.

For none of us lives of himself, and no man dies of himself.

For if we live, we live in Yahweh forever; but if we die; we will die in Yahweh. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are Yahwehs.

For this very reason Yahshua died and was restored to life again, that He might be the Judge of both the dead and the living.

But why do you pass judgement on your brother? Or why do you look down upon your brother? For we will all stand before the Judgement Seat of Yahshua.

For it is written: As surely as I live, says Yahweh, every knee will bow to Me, and every tongue will confess to Yahweh.(Isayah 45:23)
So then, each one of us will give an account of himself to Yahweh.
Therefore, let us stop passing judgement on one another. Instead, set your mind not to put any stumblingblock, or an occasion of falling, in our brothers way.

For I know, and am convinced by Yahshuah Messiah, that nothing is common in itself; except to the one accounting anything to be common-to that man, it is common.

But if your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not destroy him for whom Yahshua died, with your food.

Therefore do not allow your righteousness to be spoken of as evil.

For the Kingdom of Yahweh is not food and drink, but righteousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit:

I love this piece, ALL knees will bow to YHWH, that includes you serpy. lol

O what a joyous day you have to look forward to. Like you; Shaul/paul hated and persecuted YHWHs servants, he wound up being one of YHWHs Servants. LOL! :D

It's just a Matter of Time. :D

You should perhaps start practiceing your curtsies and confessions. LOL

LOL

snoopsnuffleopagus

30-11-2008, 04:02 PM

This is one of my Favourite Psalms, Yahweh is Addressing the Divine Council, the assembly of gods, and Yahweh tells them they will die because they inflicted suffering upon humans.

The gods you adore and serve are Kaput, and they know it. You don't. lol

As the cuckolded husband is often the last to know, likewise the servants of the gods; The last to know.

o well. :(

Dig this; mon amie:

Psalm 82:1-7—

1 Yahweh stands in the assembly of the gods (elohim), and He gives judgment among the gods (elohim)!

2 Yahweh says: How long will you defend the unjust, and show partiality to the sinners?

3 You should defend the weak and fatherless! You should maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed!

4 You should rescue the poor and needy, and deliver them from the hands of the wicked.

5 You know nothing, you understand nothing; you walk about in darkness, and all the foundations of the Earth are shaken because of you!

6 I have said: You are gods (elohim), you sons of the Most High;

7 And like Adam you will die. Just like all the other rulers, you will fall.

There's a day to look forward to. :)

You are a somewhat intelligent being, IMO your intelligence in misdirected into wankerous pursuits that are of no tangible service. But hey!, its yours, and your families time you spend foolishly. :rolleyes:

Time, is a very precious and valuable commodity, once it is used, it is gone forever. ;)

Use your intelligence and time wisely. :)

Spend some of it here: http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

serpentoffire

30-11-2008, 04:14 PM

Jews remember the Romans :p:p:p:p

http://jerusalem-4thtemple.org/images/temple-maps/Gallery%202/Doc%20Images%201/Jerusalem%203rd%20Temple%20Destruction%20by%20Titu s.jpg

http://www.essential-architecture.com/DAVINCI/Francesco_Hayez.jpg

snoopsnuffleopagus

30-11-2008, 05:16 PM

Nice paintings Serpy, do you 'Polish' your magickal wand whilst gazing upon these? lol

They have inspired me to make some Drawings and Paintings of the vatican being destroyed. Something to look forward to.

Good idea! The obelisk of horus crushed and broken, :) st. petes a broken heap of rubble, this is soon to come in actuality. ;)

how do you like Romans 14? Do you think you will be bowing to krishna? the Queen of Heaven?

lol

macgyver

30-11-2008, 06:51 PM

They have inspired me to make some Drawings and Paintings of the vatican being destroyed. Something to look forward to.

Will you post these pictures? Can't wait ;)

serpentoffire

30-11-2008, 08:39 PM

Will you post these pictures? Can't wait ;)

In the meanwhile take this:

http://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/images/churban/1638_poussin/poussin-1623_jerusalem.jpg

angel147

25-12-2008, 03:46 PM

It's easier to understand, with numbers........

There were originally nine choirs of stars, whom were created out of the original order, numbers 1 -9. 9 spheres of stars, nine choirs of angels.

Like on your telephone.

1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9

The second third, rebelled against God. Numbers 2, 5, 8. This is why the number Five, represented by the pentagram, is the mark of the beast. The number five is the second number of the second third of Choirs. Two being the number of the darkness, when light was divided from darkness, and One ordered above the other. Notice that when 2, 5, and 8 are combined. 5 plus 8, acombination of two numbers, makes 13.

Now to the point................. Since the numbers two, five, and eight rebelled, at that point in the wheel of time/heaven, 1/3 of all time/heaven will be darkened. The 1/3 that originates from the original 3 numbers/star spheres/angel choirs that rebelled. And they will be exiled. So, no more number five. Notice also the word pride has five letters.

God's name is actually spherical, the beginning being the same letter as the end. But since there is no more number five, It goes 1 -4 -1. Ah, Numbers give me such peace. The letters, I, J, Y, t, are all the same . I, and 1 are the same in Latin, I = I , completion, word and number the same, as in "In the beginnning.......", I am the beginning and the end"................. These are just some things to think about.

macgyver

25-12-2008, 05:54 PM

detroit313

26-12-2008, 07:50 AM

Hilarious topic, you Kabbalahahahahhahablablablabla groupies are so amusing. Thank you!!!

I have my own theory Kababablahahahahablablablablabalabla, what if 4853789 is 348953489 but then multiplied by 8 which ofcourse is infinity gives us UFSJKNDFSKJF meaning the endless number of zero starting Binah and then onto Chokmah in the beginning of the end to higher levels of the holy perfect number 10, now 10 is ofcourse the Yehad of the Yaweh transforming 19 = 1+9 = 10 = 1.

WOW, we can thus conclude that 10 = 1.

I now am OFFICIALLY A SPIRITUALLY ENLIGHENTED HIGHER BEING OF SUPER INFINITE DIMENSIONS.

angel147

26-12-2008, 02:08 PM

Whew! Can you explain that further? I'm still a bit seasick by all these numbers. So, what's actually the telephone number of God? ;)

I really like it when you can find inspiration in mathmatical material, though you should consider that the word "pride" is an english one. Anyway, at the moment I'm really interested in angelology... crazy word :D

What would you like explained............
As to why the telephones are like this, I don't know.
The number of God is 1, ABSOLUTELY.
Whether it is in English or not makes no difference when you consider that the beginning might have been in Hebrew/ but the end in English. Notice also that in English there are 5 vowels. In Hebrew they are gone. No vowels. Get your angel knowledge direct from an angel, it will be more interesting.

theabbot 7

15-06-2011, 02:51 PM

great thread

vancity eagle

15-06-2011, 05:53 PM

the tetragramaton is actually one of the names of Satan.

theabbot 7

16-06-2011, 07:36 PM

the tetragramaton is actually one of the names of Satan.

explained

theabbot 7

17-06-2011, 03:56 PM

Yahweh basically means "I am" in Hebrew IIRC.

I am What I am = I am Yahweh

It's like Saying "I am what is"

The prime mover is the basis of Aristotelian metaphysics. Essentially in order for things to exist they have a list of qualities that make them things. For example I exist, followed by a very longlist of other factual statements about me that make me me.

Imo this "God" only exists and has nothing else. He is the spark. The Greeks called this Physis, or Nature. The most basic element of creation. From that point we have Thesis (creation) the big bang. Physis isn't supreme intellligence though, it's an abstract thing that caused everything. An actor and an action. Like snow and an avalanche.

vancity eagle

17-06-2011, 06:45 PM

Yahweh basically means "I am" in Hebrew IIRC.

I am What I am = I am Yahweh

It's like Saying "I am what is"

.

that is what you've been told, but I dont believe it is true, I have a bible concordance and it does not add up, I've also seen a Hebrew Tanakh and when God gives his name to Moses in the book of Exodus , chapter 3 I believe, it does not translate to YHWH, moreover the tetragrammaton is used by Freemasons and Kabbalists, as well as other occultists.

theabbot 7

19-06-2011, 09:03 PM

interesting

theabbot 7

03-08-2011, 06:29 PM

YHWH is not meant to be pronounced as "Jehovah". YHWH when written in Hebrew form from top to bottom represents the form of a man.

Isn't this why its referred to as the "inffeable name"? Because it cannot be said, not because its "holy" or some mysterious crap, but because it does not represent a phonetic word.

Add on.