Is Smoking Really Bad For You?

[cafetimes1991]

Ever notice that the government lies to us a lot? Soooo, perhaps smoking isn't really so bad, or maybe even good for us? Discuss!

Some internet quotes:
"Nazi leadership, with their early, unsophisticated attempts at propaganda, reducing peoples’ critical thinking and increasing their susceptibility to messages of hate and fear and identification were central to their objective. So while the government made supply of tobacco increasingly difficult, and smoking areas increasingly limited, the Nazi propaganda machine set about pushing the party line, vilifying and condemning “red-man’s weed” and persecuting those who would smoke it. It was a campaign begun in the mid 1930s and continued and intensified until they were finally overthrown. (The anti-tobacco campaign of the Nazis - http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/313/7070/1450 )
Today, when one considers the enormous advances in psychological warfare, be it for product sales, national/religious/corporate identity or fear of the other, and the increasingly sophisticated delivery techniques, the need for smoking to be eradicated becomes blazingly obvious. What government or corporation (or religion) in their right mind, whose primary goals are submission and association, cannot see the benefit of losing a few million in taxes, pensions, operations… for the benefit of a compliant, malleable ready made workforce, and market. From such a perspective, considering our current political and corporate leadership, it is clear, smoking never stood a chance."

Also:
"There are NO DIRECT LINKS connecting smoking TOBACCO to lung cancer and emphazema. In fact, native americans have been smoking tobacco, mind you NATURAL tobacco, no additives, no sugars, no yeast, and live past 100 years old with no health problems. It is the additives that all non natural cigarettes contain that directly cause cancers."

[red_ram]

I have wondered how many deaths were due to smoking before it became widely accepted as being 'harmful' - whether it was the 'idea' that kills, not the actual smoke.

[kingmonkey]

It's probably got more to do with chemicals in the fags than the actual tobacco. I f I smoke a cigarette I feel queezy and sick, not so with fresh tobacco though. I don't smoke much anyway now. Just every now and then.

[mushroombot]

Ever notice that the government lies to us a lot? Soooo, perhaps smoking isn't really so bad, or maybe even good for us? Discuss!

I quit about 2 years ago, what really helped me was getting into cycling at the same time. I had a few relapses and could really notice it when I got out on the bike, in fact, biking was the main reason I've managed to stay off them long term. There is definitely a physical effect with smoking making any cardio vascular exercise a lot more difficult. I agree about the government lies, does make me suspicious - I did read something about how the lining on the lungs reduces the effect of what's in the chemtrails, I'm out on that myself though. Also had a fair few chest infections since stopping, apparently thats due to the lungs clearing. Not nice - wouldnt go back :)

[checkmate]

It's probably got more to do with chemicals in the fags than the actual tobacco. I f I smoke a cigarette I feel queezy and sick, not so with fresh tobacco though. I don't smoke much anyway now. Just every now and then.


I agree with you. Native Americans smoked tobacco moderately without any apparent problems. It's the toxins they add to it when they manufacture tobacco that causes the health risks.

[smariot]

I can't imagine putting anything in your lungs other than air is a good idea.

But still, even if it didn't cause any damage, the stress caused by thinking it was probably would.

[rhydra]

Lungs are delicate organs, the cell walls are designed to extract oxygen from the nitrogen based atmosphere, they do that as efficiently as possible. But they are reptile based bellows lungs, inefficient and evolved before the avians broke off and their more efficient lungs developed.

[psych641]

Lungs are delicate organs, the cell walls are designed to extract oxygen from the nitrogen based atmosphere, they do that as efficiently as possible. But they are reptile based bellows lungs, inefficient and evolved before the avians broke off and their more efficient lungs developed.

The downside of avian lungs is that you drop dead if someone in the same room overheats non-stick cookware :eek:

Thats why i stopped smoking - theres perfluorinated molecules floating about in the air from modern products etc (they must be everywhere now) and if they get sucked though a cigarette/joint etc they transform into chem weapons like hydrogen fluoride. Theres cases of factory workers getting poisoned, but only the smokers. Their non-smoking colleagues appear to be immune. Plumbers have gotten ill after simply handling teflon tape and then rolling up (it only takes 0.X mg ) - this must go misdiagnosed a lot, so the link to smoking isnt made. Im assuming that chronic domestic exposure would slowly damage lungs in the same way that acute exposure (poisoning) does, but i could be wrong.

Bottom line - smoking anything is a little more dangerous that it used to be, regardless of whether its organic etc.

[supertzar]

It's radiation from phosphate fertilizers that is the main culprit in cigarettes. I think tobacco is relatively benign, but when commercial tobacco is smoked (possibly including commercial organic tobacco) radioactive particles are introduced to the lungs. Look up the words polonium tobacco.

[xxadam810xx]

just like everything else.....only the natural is good for u so go ahead and smoke some herbs not the ciggs. I dont smoke but thats my opinion.
And lets pretend that smoking ciggs isnt bad for u for one sec, but u know its damn addictive.

[stelios]

I can't imagine putting anything in your lungs other than air is a good idea.
.
Im with you.
I used to smoke and puff.
Havent touched either for 11 years now.

[devyn]

Anything other than air going into the lungs is not good for the body, but if one were to smoke the best thing is to smoke something natural and not smoke too much. Maybe it's good because it protects us from the chem trails but then again you got the risk of getting cancer or other problems. Always use moderation when taking anything into your body.:)

[1694]

Hmmm... Doesn't take much to look at a few smokers and realize that whatever it actually is the paper, the tobacco, the other shit, you might aswell drink a bucket of AIDS. Look a at a what you are sucking in....does it remind you of a car exhaust....would you gobble on that?

Not that you shouldn't be allowed to do it in private.

[devyn]

Hmmm... Doesn't take much to look at a few smokers and realize that whatever it actually is the paper, the tobacco, the other shit, you might aswell drink a bucket of AIDS. Look a at a what you are sucking in....does it remind you of a car exhaust....would you gobble on that?

Not that you shouldn't be allowed to do it in private.

Absolutely, I'm the only one in my family that has never smoked cigarettes and have always seen it as incredibly disgusting. Just the thought of all the shit you take in when you take a drag is enough to make me feel nauseous.:eek:

[madthumbs]

Smoking ages people with wrinkles, grey hair, and poor health. The long term signs appear obvious to me.

[pdcdp]

maybe our hardened lungs will be more resilient to bird flu :rolleyes:

[stelios]

maybe our hardened lungs will be more resilient to bird flu :rolleyes:

no such thing as bird flu, it was invented by donald rumsfeld to make money

[supertzar]

Well, I smoke homegrown Nicotiana Rustica tobacco and it seems fine. It's so high in nicotine you can't really smoke very much of it, so my pattern of use is very different from a "cigarette" smoker. I think the "nicotine manipulation" practiced by companies is actually a reduction in nicotine. That's how they get you hooked, because one cigarette is not really enough to get a fully satisfying experience. I have been smoking homegrown daily for over a year and personally do not seem to have a problem with addiction.

IMPORTANT!!! Please heed my warnings about radiation in commercial cigarettes. This causes most of the lung cancer associated with cigarettes. Google polonium tobacco.

[millhouse]

Ever notice that the government lies to us a lot? Soooo, perhaps smoking isn't really so bad, or maybe even good for us? Discuss!

Some internet quotes:
"Nazi leadership, with their early, unsophisticated attempts at propaganda, reducing peoples’ critical thinking and increasing their susceptibility to messages of hate and fear and identification were central to their objective. So while the government made supply of tobacco increasingly difficult, and smoking areas increasingly limited, the Nazi propaganda machine set about pushing the party line, vilifying and condemning “red-man’s weed” and persecuting those who would smoke it. It was a campaign begun in the mid 1930s and continued and intensified until they were finally overthrown. (The anti-tobacco campaign of the Nazis - http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/313/7070/1450 )
Today, when one considers the enormous advances in psychological warfare, be it for product sales, national/religious/corporate identity or fear of the other, and the increasingly sophisticated delivery techniques, the need for smoking to be eradicated becomes blazingly obvious. What government or corporation (or religion) in their right mind, whose primary goals are submission and association, cannot see the benefit of losing a few million in taxes, pensions, operations… for the benefit of a compliant, malleable ready made workforce, and market. From such a perspective, considering our current political and corporate leadership, it is clear, smoking never stood a chance."

Also:
"There are NO DIRECT LINKS connecting smoking TOBACCO to lung cancer and emphazema. In fact, native americans have been smoking tobacco, mind you NATURAL tobacco, no additives, no sugars, no yeast, and live past 100 years old with no health problems. It is the additives that all non natural cigarettes contain that directly cause cancers."
I'm stlil very sus about how much effort the government are putting in, to try and stop smoking, now you cant adopt if you smoke, i know smoking or the additives in the cigs are harmful, but thats the consumers choice, and as we all know they aren't trying to stop it for your benefit because they like you and don't want to see you harm yourself! so why are they so keen to stop it when its worth millions and millions of pounds to them ??
What do you think?

[netta]

First of all, cafetimes1991, Your icon makes me smile.
Second of all, no smoking is not good and I highly encourage people to avoid it.

[tjohn]

I smoke up to 40 cigs a day! Also down half a bottle of brandy - and this usually happens before I write on here - yet as long as I'm not seeing double, I am still coherent as you can see (though some would say otherwise!).

In short it would seem that I am killing myself - yet I do like who I am, so why? I am full of empathy for others and seeing (and feeling) the state of the world, it makes me cry. I have some amazing thoughts and I want to help but often feel I'm not being heard, not a word.

[mountainwarrior]

the occasional organic cig is actually good for you.

the smoke fills your body with brown(grounding color).

smoking grounds people(as does chocolate[also brown])

that is why people smoke, except most people smoke cigs with 100's of poisonous additives which are killing them.

[tjohn]

I smoke up to 40 cigs a day! Also down half a bottle of brandy - and this usually happens before I write on here - yet as long as I'm not seeing double, I am still coherent as you can see (though some would say otherwise!).

In short it would seem that I am killing myself - yet I do like who I am, so why? I am full of empathy for others and seeing (and feeling) the state of the world, it makes me cry. I have some amazing thoughts and I want to help but often feel I'm not being heard, not a word.:eek::eek::eek: Oh oh, now I've done it!

Just swallowed nearly half a jar of Evolution and am feeling better! :D A little 'stoned' maybe...

[tjohn]

the occasional organic cig is actually good for you.

the smoke fills your body with brown(grounding color).

smoking grounds people(as does chocolate[also brown])

that is why people smoke, except most people smoke cigs with 100's of poisonous additives which are killing them. I nearly got cancer on my lip when smoking roll-ups. It was discovered when I went to the dentist - a white mark which, when they took a biopsy showed damaged cells and they told me that I have to stop smoking or it would turn into cancer.

That scared me but I went onto ready-made cigs with the tip, and put fizzy Vit C tablets on my lip and hey, the mark eventually went away! :)

[cafetimes1991]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28542
Very interesting, make sure to read the bit on smoking at the end too.

[pacoquerak]

I am going to grow some next season, i will collect native herbs to make peace pipe smokum. I will make a thread about it when that all comes together.

[getmeout]

I'm stlil very sus about how much effort the government are putting in, to try and stop smoking, now you cant adopt if you smoke, i know smoking or the additives in the cigs are harmful, but thats the consumers choice, and as we all know they aren't trying to stop it for your benefit because they like you and don't want to see you harm yourself! so why are they so keen to stop it when its worth millions and millions of pounds to them ??
What do you think?

I think its just another clever way of making more money. People will always smoke and few are able to quit it seems, and ofcourse its not good for you.
So they push this to make people feel they have to quit and as you know there is a big market for this. Patches, gums etc, even anti-depressants..

If you smoke you should get additive free tobacco, i suspect its not really completely additive free but you will notice a big difference.
They wont give you the same nicotine "rush" and theres a reason why. They freebase the nicotine to make it more potent and be absorbed faster by the lungs, basicaly same thing as done with crack cocaine btw..

http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/health_news/060803nicotine.html

[kiwimaj]

[QUOTE=cafetimes1991;599286]Ever notice that the government lies to us a lot? Soooo, perhaps smoking isn't really so bad, or maybe even good for us? Discuss!

I was a smoker for over 20 years and can categorically say...YES, SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH !!!!!!! I gave up due to the negativity it WAS having on my health.

I also know of people that have died through lung cancer, that were smokers.

[particlezen]

if there is any conspiracy at all it is connected to the fact that cigarettes are the typical "gateway" drug, potentially leading to people increasing their awareness via psychedelics.

i don't subscribe to the theory that entheogens are a short-cut to enlightenment, but they certainly, by their very nature, appear to activate an interest in questioning reality, and what government wants that?

[supertzar]

Damn, I am spelling out the true cause of lung cancer and you guys don't want to hear it. I have talked about it many times, but it doesn't seem to stick.

[cafetimes1991]

Bump

[halleyscomet]

I agree with you. Native Americans smoked tobacco moderately without any apparent problems. It's the toxins they add to it when they manufacture tobacco that causes the health risks.

Well, it's kinda hard to see the ill effects of something that can take decades to build up when the life expectancy is only 30 to 40 years. The lack of any actual statistics about the health of pre-Colombian Native Americans makes it harder to ferret out any impact smoking straight tobacco would have had vs not smoking.

[debs67gb]

well i still smoke i hate it i hate the dependancy - but yet i still smoke even though all my mothers side if the family have had heart attacks before 40 - i havent im 41 now *phew* lol

[halleyscomet]

well i still smoke i hate it i hate the dependancy - but yet i still smoke even though all my mothers side if the family have had heart attacks before 40 - i havent im 41 now *phew* lol

How's the health of your Father's side of the family?

[debs67gb]

he dropped dead at 50 after bypass surgery the day after his birthday :) his mum and dad died of cancer

[halleyscomet]

he dropped dead at 50 after bypass surgery the day after his birthday :) his mum and dad died of cancer

So there's an indication you have a genetic predisposition to be disproportionately affected by smoking.