The Saturnalian Brotherhood Exposed!!!!

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SATURNIA

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(ITALY THE SEAT OF WORLD POWER)

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Hotel Saturnia logo with its Dragon looks very fishy like Dagon known as Saturn (EL)


Hotel Saturnia & International
S. Marco 2398 - Via XXII Marzo Venice - Italy

VENICE - ITALY HOME OF THE HIGHEST BLACK NOBILITY

Hotel Saturnia is located in the heart of Venice, only 250 metres from St. Mark's Square

SQUARE = SATURN THE GOD EL
(THE BLACK SQUARE/BLACK SUN)

"SATURN wandered to Italy, where he ruled as king in the Golden Age and gave the name SATURNIA to the country." (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Saturn," p. 231)

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Pope Benedict XVI wears a "saturno hat", inspired by the ringed planet Saturn, to shield himself from the sun as he waves to the crowd of faithful prior to his weekly general audience in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican Wednesday.

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The Pope's Mitre is simply taken from once again Saturnknown as Dagon

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Saturn_(God)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/2...5-pope-hat.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060906-0705-pope-hat.html)

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Saturnalia was the feast at which the Romans commemorated the dedication of the temple of the god Saturn, which took place on 17 December. Over the years, it expanded to a whole week, up to 23 December. In the vagaring Roman calendar the Winter Solstice fell in this period; in imperial times that event was celebrated in honour of Sol Invictus and put on 25 December by emperor Aurelian in 274, so after the Saturnalia.

Saturnalia's relation to Christmas

There is a theory that Christians in the fourth century assigned December 25th (the Winter Solstice on the Julian calendar) as Christ's birthday (and thus Christmas) because pagans already observed this day as a holiday. This would sidestep the problem of eliminating an already popular holiday while Christianizing the population.

It is also possible to see it as early Christians replacing the Pagan celebration in an act of triumphalism. However, others claim that early Christians independently came up with the date of December 25th based on a Jewish tradition of the "integral age" of the Jewish prophets (the idea that the prophets of Israel died on the same dates as their birth or conception), and a miscalculation of the date of Jesus' death. It is even sometimes claimed that Aurelian moved the feast of Sol Invictus to December 25th to co-opt the Christian celebration.

The Romans also practiced many traditions similar to Christmas; specifically the "Christmas tree", though the Christmas tree itself is a later development in the celebration of Christmas (having its origins in Germany, possibly during the Reformation). The Romans often cut down evergreens and decorated them to pay homage to Saturn, the god of farming. This was to honor the fact that the evergreens remained alive during the harshness of winter. It was also traditional for Romans to exchange gifts during this holiday. These gifts were customarily made of silver, although nearly anything could be given as a gift for the occasion. Several epigrams by the poet Martial survive, seemingly crafted as riddling gift-tags for gifts of food. The medieval celebration of the Feast of Fools was another continuation of Saturnalia into the Christian era.

Origins

The Saturnalia was a large and important public festival in Rome. It involved the conventional sacrifices, a couch (lectisternium) set out in front of the temple of Saturn and the untying of the ropes that bound the statue of Saturn during the rest of the year. Besides the public rites there were a series of holidays and customs celebrated privately. The celebrations included a school holiday, the making and giving of small presents (saturnalia et sigillaricia) and a special market (sigillaria). Gambling was allowed for all, even slaves; although it was only officially condoned during this period, one should not assume that it was rare or much remarked upon during the rest of the year. It was a time to eat, drink, and be merry. The toga was not worn, but the pilleus (freedman's hat) was worn by everyone. Slaves were exempt from punishment, and treated their masters with disrespect. The slaves celebrated a banquet, before, with, or served by the masters. A Saturnalicius princeps was elected master of ceremonies for the proceedings. Saturnalia became one of the most popular Roman festivals which led to more tomfoolery, marked chiefly by having masters and slaves switch places, which led to widespread drinking and debauchery, so that among Christians the (lower case) word "saturnalia" came to mean "orgy".

The customary greeting for the occasion is a "Io, Saturnalia!" — io (pronounced "yo") being a Latin interjection related to "ho" (as in "Ho, praise to Saturn").

Saturnalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Saturnalia


By the beginning of December, writes Columella, the farmer should have finished his autumn planting. Now, at the time of the winter solstice (December 25 in the Julian calendar), Saturnus, the god of seed and sowing, was honored with a festival. The Saturnalia officially was celebrated on December 17 (a.d. XVI Kal. Ian.) and, in Cicero's time, lasted seven days, from December 17-23. Augustus limited the holiday to three days, so the civil courts would not have to be closed any longer than necessary, and Caligula extended it to five (Suetonius, XVII; Cassius Dio, LIX.6), which Claudius restored after it had been abolished (Dio, LX.25). Still, everyone seems to have continued to celebrate for a full week, extended, says Macrobius (I.10.24), by celebration of the Sigillaria, so named for the small earthenware figurines that were sold then.

Macrobius, in his Saturnalia, creates an imaginary symposium among pagan intellectuals that takes place then. There, he offers an explanation for the varying length of the holiday. Originally, it was celebrated on only one day, the fourteenth before the Kalends of January (December 19). With the Julian reform of the calendar, however, two days were added to December, and the Saturnalia was celebrated sixteen days before the Kalends (December 17), "with the result that, since the exact day was not commonly known--some observing the addition which Caesar had made to the calendar and others following the old usage--the festival came to be regarded as lasting for more days than one" (I.10.2). The original day now was given over to the Opalia, honoring Ops, who personified abundance and the fruits of the earth, and was the consort of Saturn. As the two deities represented the produce of the fields and orchards, so they also were thought to represent heaven and earth. It was for this reason, says Macrobius (I.10.20), that the two festivals were celebrated at the same time, the worshippers of Ops always sitting in prayer so that they touched the earth, mother of all.

In the Roman calendar, the Saturnalia was designated a holy day, or holiday, on which religious rites were performed. Saturn, himself, was identified with Kronos, and sacrificed to according to Greek ritual, with the head uncovered. The Temple of Saturn, the oldest temple recorded by the pontiffs, had been dedicated on the Saturnalia, and the woolen bonds which fettered the feet of the ivory cult statue within were loosened on that day to symbolize the liberation of the god.

It also was a festival day. After sacrifice at the temple, there was a public banquet, which Livy says was introduced in 217 BC (there also may have been a lectisternium, a banquet for the god in which its image is placed in attendance, as if a guest). Afterwards, according to Macrobius (I.10.18), the celebrants shouted "Io, Saturnalia!" at a riotous feast in the temple.

The Saturnalia was the most popular holiday of the Roman year. Catullus (XIV) describes it as "the best of days," and Seneca complains that the "whole mob has let itself go in pleasures" (Epistles, XVIII.3). Pliny the Younger writes that he retired to his room while the rest of the household celebrated (Epistles, II.17.24). It was an occasion for celebration, visits to friends, and the presentation of gifts, particularly wax candles (cerei), perhaps to signify the returning light after the solstice, and sigillaria. Martial wrote Xenia and Apophoreta for the Saturnalia. Both were published in December and intended to accompany the "guest gifts" which were given at that time of year. Aulus Gellius relates in his Attic Nights (XVIII.2) that he and his Roman compatriots would gather at the baths in Athens, where they were studying, and pose difficult questions to one another on the ancient poets, a crown of laurel being dedicated to Saturn if no-one could answer them.

Full Article:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=14789
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/saturnalia.html

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Some pictures of the Pope's Mitre symbolising Dagon/SATURN

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Days of the week are named after planets and pagan gods!
Sunday = Sun's day
Monday = Moon's day: derived from the Anglo-Saxon monandaeg,
Tuesday = named after the Norse god of war, Tiu, or Tiw
Wednesday = named to honour Odin, or Woden, chief god in Norse mythology.
Thursday = named after Thor, Norse god of thunder.
Friday = Anglo-Saxon frìgedaeg; from Old High German Frìa, a goddess
Saturday = Saturn's day: named in honour of the Roman god Saturn.

What is the system behind the planetary day names?

As we saw in the previous section, the planets have given the week
days their names following this order:

Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Sun

Why this particular order?

One theory goes as follows: If you order the "planets" according to
either their presumed distance from Earth (assuming the Earth to be
the centre of the universe) or their period of revolution around the
Earth, you arrive at this order:

Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn

Now, assign (in reverse order) these planets to the hours of the day:

1=Saturn, 2=Jupiter, 3=Mars, 4=Sun, 5=Venus, 6=Mercury, 7=Moon,
8=Saturn, 9=Jupiter, etc., 23=Jupiter, 24=Mars

The next day will then continue where the old day left off:

1=Sun, 2=Venus, etc., 23=Venus, 24=Mercury

And the next day will go

1=Moon, 2=Saturn, etc.

If you look at the planet assigned to the first hour of each day, you
will note that the planets come in this order:

Saturn, Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus

This is exactly the order of the associated week days.

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Saturn - Cosmic Keeper of Time

http://www.geocities.com/osirian63/html/planets/saturn.html


If Jupiter is the King of the Planets, then Saturn is the Queen of the Planets. Saturn, in ancient days, was known as Chronos, the keeper of Time. Chronos, was the son of Uranus and his wife, Rhea (the firmament). Chronos' wife was Gaia (the Earth). Saturn is the mother and giver of all forms, both mother and father, and posessing qualities of both sexes.

The rings around Saturn were easily seen by the ancients, and limit the planet within them, as time limits our existence here on Earth. Saturn is the last planet the ancients could see with their primitive telescopes, and so we have 7 days in the week, each day named after a corresponding planet. This is most evident from the French (or Spanish) names for the days of the week, as follows:

Sunday - SUNday - pretty obvious, eh?
Monday - MOONday - Lundi (Luna's Day)
Tuesday - MARSday - Mardi (Mars' Day) (eg Mardi Gras)
Wednesday - WODEN'sday - Mercredi (Mercury's Day)
Thursday - THOR'sday - Jeudi - (Jupiter's Day)
Friday - VENUSday - Vendredi - (Venus' Day)
Saturday - SATURNday - Samedi - (Saturn's Day)

In fact, the word MONTH comes from the length of time the moon takes to complete one revolution around the Earth (a MOONTH) or 28 days. There are 13 lunar months and 12 solar months in each year of our Earth.

You can also go to The Birth of Islam, a fascinating essay in progress which discusses the theory that the Ancient Egyptians used just such a 10-day week, and it was subsequently reduced to 7 days for various reasons. The author declares Egypt held on to her "ancient celestial tradition of reality" until it was replaced with the "7 days of creation, the 7 spirits of God, and the 7 wandering bodies in the heavens" for which our days of the week are so aptly and obviously named. An excellent essay, thus far!

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Have you all noticed how when people talk of 666 they always talk of SATAN or the BEAST? They do not reference Lucifer! Reason is that Lucifer is something entirely different and that it is the planet VENUS. Some believe Lucifer is the Sun but either way Lucifer is not SATURN and therefore not SATAN -2tuff


Saturn is the sixth planet from the Sun and the second largest:

orbit: 1,429,400,000 km (9.54 AU) from Sun
diameter: 120,536 km (equatorial)
mass: 5.68e26 kg

The great seal (mark) of Lucifer is the six-pointed star.

The six-pointed star symbolizes man's union with the divine:

"The Septenary Universe unfolds seamlessly from Infinity to the physical plane but it was divided into Seven Planes of Existence--or states of consciousness--by The Hierarchy who released this information through Mme. Blavatsky. The Three Higher Planes--Atma (Infinity), Buddhi (Light) and Manas (Higher Intelligence) constitute the Higher Self. The Higher Self is represented by the triangle pointing upwards. Interestingly enough, everyone and everything in the Universe has the same three principles in their seven-principled bodies and this constitutes the principle of Universal Brotherhood.
"The triangle pointing downwards is representative of the lower self, the three principles of sensient life--the 'breath of life' (which is a reflection of the Highest Principle), the Astral Body and the physical Body.
"When we come into existence, these two triangles are separated, the higher above the lower. In between is a single point of consciousness which represents the soul. The soul is the vehicle of our desires. If we desire the things of the lower principles, the fire of out soul is directed downward and, if our lower desires are strong enough, goes out.
"However, if we direct the fire upwards into our Higher Self, we receive the higher energies necessary to RAISE OUR LOWER SELF into harmony with our Higher Self. Thus the lower and Higher self become locked together in place in perfect Union by the principle of the soul. Thus we attain full consciousness awareness on ALL PLANES of the universe and he have, in effect, spiritualized our lower self, to the point where it has raised its energies into Union with the Higher.
"As the great metaphysician Mme. Helena Roerich said, 'Man becomes simply a god...and then God.'" - GaiaMind


“In Ritual Magick, the hexagon is called the Seal of Solomon, and represents Divine Union, being composed of a female, watery triangle, and a male, fiery triangle. The traditional elemental triangles of earth, air, water, and fire are derived from the seal. When the points of a hexagram are connected, a hexagon is formed. Kabbalistically, the hexagram represents the Sefirah Tifaret, perfection...

“In the Hindu religion, the hexagram is called the Shatkona, and is equivalent to the symbolism in ritual magick. The Shatkona is the combination of the Shiva kona (trikona, triangle), the symbol of the God Shiva, representing the element of fire, and the Shakti kona, representing the element of water. Together, they represent the union of male and female, and the heart chakra.” - Hexagram (Shatkona, Seal of Solomon)

c. The six-pointed star is considered by occultists to be the Star of Bethlehem which will precede the Advent of the False Christ.
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days...shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven..." (Matt. 24:29-30)
"The Star is the symbol of the perfect life, the perfect balance, of the Christ-man. The six-pointed star is the Star of Bethlehem, which again means the Star of the Son of man...
"The star with the six points represents the star of Light...of brotherhood, the Star of Christ. The love of Christ is represented by this Star. So, we have in that symbol a representation of the Ancient Wisdom, and the love of Christ, the wisdom and love combined, which is to be realized by humanity in this New Age - the age of Aquarius." - GaiaMind

"Now, the name SATURN in Chaldee is pronounced Satur; but, as every Chaldee scholar knows, consists only of four letters, thus - Stur [ed. Star?]. This name contains exactly the Apocalyptic number." (Hislop, p. 269)
S = 060
T = 400
U = 006
R = 200
= 666
"Sri Aurobindo, a Hindu guru well-known in the New Age affirms that SATURN IS REPRESENTED BY THE NUMBER 6… because the planet Saturn is 6th of the nine planets in distance from the sun." (Marrs: Mystery Mark, p. 68)

Dagon, the Fish-god, is associated with the forehead and hands, the location of the mark of the beast.

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Note: Dagon's crown is the top of a 6-pointed star.


Rev. 13:1 - And I saw the BEAST RISE UP OUT OF THE SEA

Rev. 13:16 - …a mark IN THEIR RIGHT HAND, OR IN THEIR FOREHEADS

I Sam. 5:4 - And when they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the earth before the ark of the Lord; and the HEAD OF DAGON AND BOTH THE PALMS OF HIS HANDS WERE CUT OFF upon the threshold; only did the stump of Dagon was left to him.



In the mystery religions, both the forehead and hands were tattooed during rites of initiation. (Reason Dagon's hands and head were cut off.)

Concerning Mithraism: "INITIATION was performed by two dignitaries, who possessed the title of Father and Herald. After the ceremony (the initiate) would be considered the brother…of the other initiates and the son of the Father… In order to be recognized by the Father, he has to be TATOOED, in other words, BRANDED ON BOTH HANDS… On portraits of emperors, these TATTOO MARKS are clearly visible, but ON THE FOREHEAD, IN PLACE OF THE HANDS." (Vermaseren, p. 131)



The tattoo bonds the initiate with the entity symbolized by the tattoo and enables him to communicate with that demonic power.

"In some pictures of a tattooed man we are faced by a permanent prayer to and identification with the heavenly powers, at the same time as a basic means of communication with them. Such is the most generalized meaning of tattooing bestowed in consequence of a rite of initiation which allows this communication to take place. At the same time, this initiation is a rite of admission into a social group and the tattoo is the PERMANENT MARK OF THAT INITIATION, the badge of the tribe.

"All in all, tattooing belongs among symbols of identification and is interfused with all their magic and mystic potency. Identification always carries a double meaning: it tends to invest the individual concerned with the properties and strength of the CREATURE OR THING TO WHICH THAT PERSON IS ASSIMILATED and, at the same time, to immunize the latter against its potential power to cause harm. This is why tattoos depict dangerous creatures such as serpents or scorpions, or animals which are symbols of fertility, such as bulls or of power, such as lions, and so on. Identification also carries a SENSE OF SURRENDER OR EVEN OF CONSECRATION to whatever the tattoo symbolically depicts. It then becomes a BADGE OF FEALTY." - Chevalier's Dictionary of Symbols



http://www.watch.pair.com/mark2.html

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THE POPES CAMAURO

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The camauro is the white fur-trimmed red bonnet reserved to Popes in place of the biretta. No Pope since John XXIII (d. 1963) has used it.

The camauro, like the biretta, evolved from the academic cap of the Middle Ages. Unlike the biretta, however, it did not evolve much. The camauro in its present form was established by the twelfth century.

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Ok I am new here and want to post some info about saturn.

The oldest depiction of our sun is about 20000 years old and they found them in caves in spain and france, it is the circle with point in the middle and EIGHT spokes:

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3518/wieleightjz3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

link: http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/...rn/rockart.html (http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/Saturn/rockart.html)


Why eight spokes?

The babylonians called it shamash and is the circle with dot with the eight spokes again. By the way the eight spokes are like a double cross which it represent see fig:

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8436/saturnshamashtt4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Well to make a long story short; a long time ago the sun looked like this:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7342/marscoverhz8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Some links: http://www.maverickscience.com/saturn.htm
http://www.catastrophism.com/texts/sun-and-saturn/
http://www.aeonjournal.com/articles/road_t..._to_saturn.html (http://www.aeonjournal.com/articles/road_to_saturn/road_to_saturn.html)
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/...n/aliensky.html (http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/Saturn/aliensky.html)


The white one is saturn without rings (they came later) the green one is venus and the red one is mars.(here we have the white ,green and red dragon)

It is the circle with dot in centre they called the dot the "EYE".

If you know the priciples of geometry than you know the principles of the square.The square is the generative principle, it is the root of two.

Banks generate, that is why a lot of logo's of banks are square's or tilted sguare's. The generate principle is AIR which is the octaheder and that is root of two.

For instance chase bank is a square.

So the saturn is a black square. Mars is the red square (see moscow)
and green is the colour of venus and that is the green square.Look it up in tripoli you have the green square aswell in beirut.(I will do a post on the green square soon)

Why is saturn a black square because it is the prince of darkness.

A long time ago something happened and that is that the earth tilted and that venus departed saturn and went our (earth) way and she just past us and with that threw a lot of water on our planet.

Venus induced the flood she induced the wall of water,that's why there is a weeping wall and she flooded the earth she was the initiator of the currentsea which is currency. That is why the dollar is green and you deal it in WALL street.

The islamic world is all about venus that is why you always find green in their flags.

So saturn lost his compagnions,venus and mars and saturn died as god.In the time saturn was god there where no seasons it was always spring represented as number 322 (skull & bones). That is why saturn is called kronos and is father time or eternity because there was no time.When saturn died he lost his eight spokes (the spokes where interference light of venus and mars which was in front of him)Put number eight on its side and it is the endless sign.

When saturn died, then our sun came to our world,our sun brought the seasons so time started.

In this symbol you find the change between the black and the white sun:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5606/vaticancollectionwj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


In the centre saturn whith out the spokes!! Remember venus went our way.Without spokes it is called "noeight" which the word night comes from and incidently that is where the word knight comes from.And a knight is a horse that horse is EL and that is why the chess piece moves that way.The black horse is saturn the white is our sun.

English: no eight = night.
French: non huit = nuit.
German: nein acht = nacht.
Italian: non otto = notte
Spanish: non oche = noche.
Russian ne vosem' = noch'
Polish nie osiem = noc
Sanskrit na as.t.a^u = nak
Avestan no^it~ as^ti = xs^ap
Greek ou okto^ = nux
Albanian s' tete" = nate"
Irish ni ocht = adaig
Welsh ni wyth = nos
Lith. ne as^tuoni` = nakti`s
Hittite natta 8 = nekuz

The most important is NOEIGHT which is NOACHT and that is NOACH.

Yet look again under you see a kind of cresent moon but that is the new SUN!!!!

Altogether that is called ARCHA NOA. The cross which contains the trinity(look good) is venus. Our lady which looses a lot of water. At night(noach) we eat our last supper and the above mentioned is what leonardo's painting is al about.Look how the lady disapears from the sun jesus.

A lot of oil company's have the sun in their logo,but it can be one or the other so exxon is the double cross(spokes) of saturn.

Esso is SO which is:

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4041/zosofd3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And this one is really funny:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/61/q8logonh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


You see the rings in the Q and the eight is saturn because of his spokes.
And than the sail of the windsurfing sail,there are TWO remember wind is air and that is octaheder(root of two) this is the generating principle.

More on saturn but you have to know geometry that is what the letter G stands for:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/3553/hoekenpassercu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Why is this saturn? Look at the compass it makes an angle of 60 degrees.
A triangle with all three corners of 60 degree is one with all the side same lenght. You can have one with point up and because as above as below you have one with point down the result is star david also called star of moloch and this is saturn:

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/1817/davidstergi8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

An other name for this star is dark star or dying star.

If you make a 3-D star of this star david you get a doublestar tetrahedron or merkaba, surrounding this figure is a cube and that is the 90 degrees of the square in the famous mason sign.

The complementarity of the cube is the octahederon which is the symbol of air or the generative principle(root of two transformation) see fig:

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2889/cubeoctabi4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Ok another symbol for saturn is this one:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2729/skullenbones322ta8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The number 322 is known it represent SPRING Saturn as sun knew no seasons it was always a kind of spring time.

But there is more see fig:

Picture (http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2444/clockskullbonesig7.jpg)

In the point of the tablecloth you see the slanted black square(saturn)
And the clock stands still as of no time and the clocks says 8 o'clock this is saturn, remember the planet with eight spokes?

Now I continue with this one:

Picture (http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9831/brackenhousezi4.jpg)

The black sun is saturn and the sun behind is luke skywalker our jolly jumper, around the twelve houses of the zodiac.

The present sun with zodiac is squared by the black square and that is called squaring of the circle.

Ok saturn(kronos) is no time and sun is time it induced the seasons.

The sun is orange that is why stanley kubrick made a film called: A Clockwork Orange.

Will be continued...

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This one is about Kubrick's a space odessey 2001.

Saturn like they used to depict 20000 years ago:

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3518/wieleightjz3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Kubrick did it this way:

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1272/2001achtspakenko4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and this way:

http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/2554/2001achtspaken1verkleintqc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Ok the monolith is saturn and above is the sun rising this is ARCHA NOA:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9430/spaceodyssey2001ap1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


When this scene happens you see this, it is a metafor for the dying sun (saturn) this old sungod El is making place for the new sungod:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7071/2001slaanskullenbonesverkleintfc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


The vatican knows this and this figure is now better to understand,watch carefully at the eight spoked star in the shield:

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/497/skullenbonesmetsterachtspakenwf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

So we are talking about the one son of god dying (saturn) and the coming of the new son of god (our present sun) This altogether here:

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7717/jesuskruiszonskullenbonesnz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Once you know this, alot of more symbols are better to understand like this one:

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/4088/abcnewsno0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[2tuff]

Once You know the code of the eight spoked star you will see it.Here on top of the mantle piece(left and right) behind the pope:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1879/popeferrariachtspakensterls4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

So keep in mind the the square it is very important it is the root of two.The basic platonic solid of this principle is the octaheder.

If you look on top of an octaheder you see a square or slanted square,looking side ways you get the DIAMOND! That is why diamonds are forever!

And you under stand, Lucy in the sky with diamonds (LSD).

So the pope said some thing wrong about some islamic people who by the way are the same men in black.The pope apologies and a picture was taken:

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/9025/pauswiebertjehoopgedondervk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6180/paushoopgedonderwiebertjeyf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Remember this is black magic!

[2tuff]

Why is 1776 a very important date for the USA?

Well look at the numbers.The first two is:

1+7=8 we know that that is the eight spokes or the double cross:

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3518/wieleightjz3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

So that is saturn (the old sun)

The next two numbers is 76 so:

7+6=13 and that is our sun.It is called the light,luz,lucy,lucas or luke and
we know that our sun walks trough the constallations in the sky that is why mr.lucas called our sun "luke skywalker".
That is 12 constellations and the sun makes 13 althogether the zodiac.

So the sun is the spirit of 76 and we now know that oil comp. have the sun in their logo so this oil compagny is clear now it is the orange globe:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2205/76oiluz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

So the date 1776 represents is the old world (old sun saturn) going to the new world (our sun).

We know from sacred geometry that the square represents the root of two and is called the "generative principle".

Please remenber that all heavenly bodies (planets and stars) are often depicted as square's or tilted square's this is because they generate all kinds of energies.

So the generating energy from the orange globe(sun) is the orange square:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1790/orangelogovf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Some walk around saturn:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5157/kaabarotatie1pn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Others just put it on their forehead:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5853/blacksquaresoldaatbidtcl2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[2tuff]

I want to introduce another symbol and that is the circle in the triangle.
It stands for god or as other researches call it, creator.

An example: AOL, pronounced OWL and that is moloch, star david,merkaba and yes again Saturn:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3300/aolbasicyt7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

We see this symbol on the throne of the queen of England:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6278/throneog9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

By the way the queen has a crown on her head which contains the blackhat(saturn) on top of the crown the "knight of malta square":

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4042/queenspeech050517wc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ok let's have a look at the throne of the queen of the netherlands.The throne is situated in the "ridderzaal" where "ridder"=knight=noeight=night=saturn and "zaal"=hall. Saturnhall you can call it. Look what is above the throne.It is a giant square=root of two:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8131/troonzaalqt2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Lovely chandeliers ain't it?

Let's have a closer look at the throne of the queen of the netherlands and pay close attention to the arrow.You will notice the black circle in the triangle and in the black circle there is a white pentagram with the point downward and that is venus:

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/4979/binnenhofbinnenpijlji9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The window of the hall of saturn will be familiar by now:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5245/ridderzaalglasinloodxt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Again that window of the knighs hall.Look at the bottom:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5245/ridderzaalglasinloodxt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

You see the black eagle looking west and that is sun set aka SETH saturn this is the one old world pillar and the bird looks right to the east where the new sun rises and that is to other world pillar.

[2tuff]

Ok here you see the old world pillar saturn and the new world pillar our sun in between the root of two;the slanted square:

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/4320/octatussenpilarentb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

These two pillars represent the world trade centre which are down now.

So what comes in place? The square on a square! Or 1776 remember:
1+7=8 saturn
7+6=13 sun

1776 is old sun to new sun. So they will build a freedom tower:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8573/doosopdoosgebouw1776feethoogrj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rising from its square base -- which will be constructed of impermeable concrete and steel -- the redesigned Freedom Tower will taper into eight tall isosceles triangles, forming a perfect octagon at its center. An observation deck will be located 1,362 feet above ground and there will be a square glass parapet at 1,368 feet, the heights of the original Twin Towers. From these, an illuminated spire containing a television antenna will rise to a final height of 1,776 feet.

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/constructio...ower_26204.aspx (http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/freedom_tower_26204.aspx)

Ok, so saturn before the flood is the white,green and red.

Together the god EL. It is the colours of italy,the most powerful country on this globe.

It is so powerful that even the country's shape is of an EL (L)!

So this one is pretty strong:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3637/italyallekleurenqe4.png (http://imageshack.us)

Still any doubt? This is SETH:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4294/sethjpegho5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Another saturn:

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1610/sleipnirbelowcl2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sleipnir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[horseflesh]

Thanks 2tuff, it's amazing just how far all this goes. Not that I have a complete grasp of what you posted (yet), this is something I am looking more into, especially the symbolism as we see these symbols everywhere and most just take them for granted not realising the hidden meanings.

Again thanks. :cool:

[oneofmany]

I thought that 1776 referred to May 1 1776 or the founding of the Bavarian Illuminati .

good to know other significances for the same number. You and Jordan Maxwell would have a lot to talk about.

Keep up the Investigating, you've got me wrapped :D

[oneofmany]

Here's a little bit more about the mushroom and it's role in Christmas
http://www.jamesarthur.net/mm_01.html

interesting stuff

[grackle]

THE POPES CAMAURO

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/popecamauro.jpg

[Pope as Santa Clause.:) Why are his eyes green?

[warrior]

very interesting thread, good work

I asked you previously about details of Jesuit/Illuminati relations with Russia since the Russian Revolution to the present day, and particularly what is known about Putin, maybe you will make such a thread

[lydia78]

Hi 2Tuff!!:)

Just wanted to say a big thankyou for this info, bloody interesting. Saturn is my 'ruler' planet as far as astrology goes and for ages I've been thinking along the same lines about the corruption of time and energy, it's the oldest planet in the solar system so it figures they'd be up to something.

Going to go and digest all this info now.....:D

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

cool post!

easter eggs = roman tradition. chickens were symbols of bravery/strength. it's seven years bad luck to break a mirror because the roman tradition held that mirrors hold/contain the soul, and it takes seven years to repair the broken soul.

[2013]

excellent posts 2 tuff good info , so this all links in with the supposed attempts to recreate saturn or jupiter as a sun possibly ? This would also explain why they would seek to have the microchipping agenda in place b4 this occurs so as they have complete control over the people who survive any possible catastrophy.I was going to ask the question what does knowing that saturn was once a sun have to do with anything except "we know something you dont know ", i couldnt figure out how this would give or help them maintain their power base but in knowing that if this could be recreated then they would have foreknowledge of the events to unfold .I was thinking so if saturn was a sun how could the derive power from that and even if it was common knowledge most people would just sigh and go back to football soap operas etc . But it s knowledge of the game that gives them power not any particular cosmic influence maybe ? Still very good info thanks for sharing , i wonder seeing as the vatican library is being restored and has been moved or is in th eprocess of being moved maybe we wil lsee new revelations come to light or controlled release of info?:D

[goldman]

Ring of the Fisherman

Pope Benedict XVI's Ring

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/Fisherring.jpg

The Ring of the Fisherman, also known as the Piscatory Ring and the Pescatorio (in Italian), is an official part of the regalia worn by the Pope, who is described by the Catholic Church (of which he is the head) as the successor of Saint Peter, who was a fisherman by trade. It features a bas-relief of Peter fishing from a boat, a symbolism derived from the tradition that the apostles were "fishers of men" (Mark 1:17). The Fisherman's Ring is a signet used until 1842 to seal official documents signed by the Pope.

Ring of the Fisherman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[keenly]

very interesting thread, good work

I asked you previously about details of Jesuit/Illuminati relations with Russia since the Russian Revolution to the present day, and particularly what is known about Putin, maybe you will make such a thread

putin is an interesting one; jesuits coadjutor i suspect

russia is most definately controlled

[eternal_spirit]

russia is most definately controlled

Yes by Zionists

[keenly]

Yes by Zionists

zionists are under vatican control

[serpentoffire]

Saturn - Cosmic Keeper of Time

http://www.geocities.com/osirian63/html/planets/saturn.html


If Jupiter is the King of the Planets, then Saturn is the Queen of the Planets. Saturn, in ancient days, was known as Chronos, the keeper of Time. Chronos, was the son of Uranus and his wife, Rhea (the firmament). Chronos' wife was Gaia (the Earth). Saturn is the mother and giver of all forms, both mother and father, and posessing qualities of both sexes.

The rings around Saturn were easily seen by the ancients, and limit the planet within them, as time limits our existence here on Earth. Saturn is the last planet the ancients could see with their primitive telescopes, and so we have 7 days in the week, each day named after a corresponding planet. This is most evident from the French (or Spanish) names for the days of the week, as follows:

Sunday - SUNday - pretty obvious, eh?
Monday - MOONday - Lundi (Luna's Day)
Tuesday - MARSday - Mardi (Mars' Day) (eg Mardi Gras)
Wednesday - WODEN'sday - Mercredi (Mercury's Day)
Thursday - THOR'sday - Jeudi - (Jupiter's Day)
Friday - VENUSday - Vendredi - (Venus' Day)
Saturday - SATURNday - Samedi - (Saturn's Day)

In fact, the word MONTH comes from the length of time the moon takes to complete one revolution around the Earth (a MOONTH) or 28 days. There are 13 lunar months and 12 solar months in each year of our Earth.

You can also go to The Birth of Islam, a fascinating essay in progress which discusses the theory that the Ancient Egyptians used just such a 10-day week, and it was subsequently reduced to 7 days for various reasons. The author declares Egypt held on to her "ancient celestial tradition of reality" until it was replaced with the "7 days of creation, the 7 spirits of God, and the 7 wandering bodies in the heavens" for which our days of the week are so aptly and obviously named. An excellent essay, thus far!

Days of week names are related to occult powers inside the man (alchemy):

7. Sun-day – Gold – Crown chakra – URANIC gate – Point of soul

6. Moon-day – Silver – Third eye

5. Tues-day (in italian marte-dì or Mars day) – ETHER - Iron/Sulphur – Throat chakra

4. Wednes-day (in Italian mercole-di or Mercury day) – AIR - Mercury - Heart chakra – Point of spirit

3. Thurs-day (in Italian giove-di or Jupiter day) – FIRE - Tin – Solar plexus chakra

2. Fri-day (in Italian vener-di or Venus day) – WATER - Copper - Sacral plexus chakra

1. Satur-day (Saturn day) – EARTH - Lead/Steel/Salt/Ammoniac – Root chakra – TELLURIC gate


The same for the months that have an alchemy meaning:

1. Aries, FIRE, Calcination
2. Taurus, EARTH, Congelation
3. Gemini, AIR, Fixation
4. Cancer, WATER, Dissolution
5. Leo, FIRE, Digestion
6. Virgo, EARTH, Distillation
7. Libra, AIR, Sublimation
8. Scorpio, WATER, Separation
9. Sagittarius, FIRE, Incineration
10. Capricorn, EARTH, Fermentation
11. Aquarius, AIR, Multiplication
12. Pisces, WATER, Projection

[serpentoffire]

SATURNIA

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/ITALYSATURN.jpg

(ITALY THE SEAT OF WORLD POWER)

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/hotelsaturnia.gif http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/dagon.gif
Hotel Saturnia logo with its Dragon looks very fishy like Dagon known as Saturn (EL)


Hotel Saturnia & International
S. Marco 2398 - Via XXII Marzo Venice - Italy

VENICE - ITALY HOME OF THE HIGHEST BLACK NOBILITY

Hotel Saturnia is located in the heart of Venice, only 250 metres from St. Mark's Square

SQUARE = SATURN THE GOD EL
(THE BLACK SQUARE/BLACK SUN)

"SATURN wandered to Italy, where he ruled as king in the Golden Age and gave the name SATURNIA to the country." (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Saturn," p. 231)

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/PopeBenedictwithredSATURNOhat.jpg
Pope Benedict XVI wears a "saturno hat", inspired by the ringed planet Saturn, to shield himself from the sun as he waves to the crowd of faithful prior to his weekly general audience in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican Wednesday.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/carloskissinghandofpope.jpg http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/dagon.gif
The Pope's Mitre is simply taken from once again Saturnknown as Dagon

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Saturn_(God) (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Saturn_%28God%29)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/2...5-pope-hat.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060906-0705-pope-hat.html)

-2TUFF 26/9/6

If you want to know samething of Italy ask to me. I'm Italian and I live in Rome.

Catholic religion has Sunday (Apollo/Dionysus) as rest day and Hebraism Saturday. So Hebraism is the religion of SATURN (aka CRONUS). Catholicism instead is the religion of URANOS.

See my thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27927

Catholic means UNIVERSAL and it is the sum of Christianity , mitraism, cult of Saturn and other pagan rites and cults. This in order to create a super-religion with the purpose to dominate and enslave people under the Roman empire.

Another target of catholic religion was to bind temporal power with spiritual power.

Vatican is a monument to occult powers:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/sanpeter.jpg


URANUS AND THE MYTH The implications of Uranus in the chart seem to be reversed in comparison to the mythical meaning of Ouranus. Uranus is the sun of the earth goddess Gaea. And at the same time her husband. The children born out of this relationship were imprisoned but one of them, Cronus (later called Saturn) was able to castrate his father (encouraged by his mother). The genitals fell into the see and so Aphrodite was produced (Venus).

STORY VERY SIMILAR TO ISIS, OSIRIS and HORUS mythology.

Saturn is the mythical son of Uranus. Saturn is the rebel, but Uranus is prominent in the charts of disasters, revolutions and rebellious people. It is Uranus who locks in his children and yet Uranus is the symbol of liberation. I must add to this that afflictions with Uranus are seen at the time of arrest and loosing freedom or being robbed of freedom. Like in the case of Jeanne d’Arc and Ringeard (one of the trappist monks murdered in Algeria). Sometimes Uranus makes free, but the person concerned is dead. Saturn is the law, but Uranus is the shocking arrest. In short: the myths of Saturn and Uranus seem to be twisted and turned. Or we might consider the fact that the relationship Uranus had with his mother was abnormal and extraordinairy and Saturn (Cronus) ended the incest.

URANUS IN THE SIGNS Uranus is now in the astrological ‘sign’ of Pisces. Pisces is the period for church and religion, especially the Christian belief and then specifically the roman catholic church. Uranus is the planet of renewal and weak in the sign of Pisces.

The SATURN's place is the Latium, Lazio in italia, where is founded ROME.

Forza ROMA!!!

[zero1]

Why is poor old 2Tuff "banned" on his readout? I thought his OP was excellent and very informative...

[keenly]

Why is poor old 2Tuff "banned" on his readout? I thought his OP was excellent and very informative...

icke followers don't lke the truth

[drc_]

Weird how the OP is banned now.. What happened?!

Anyway, very interesting stuff, it makes a lot of sense and shows how far this rabbit hole goes.

The symbolism most of us have exposed or read about seems to be just a tip of the iceberg!

Very nice topic! Gonna dig deeper on this one ;)

[lightgiver]

Yes where as he gone:confused: come back.

[eternal_spirit]

Yes where as he gone:confused: come back.
He is Craig Oxley Yahweh aka adonai is his God (the angry one in the OT Bible) A hater of catholics, Oxley maybe a Purple arch royal mason linked to the Orange order.

Oxley bases much of his crap on Phelps are mostly disinfo.

Oxley bashes Icke a lot, done a thread saying Icke is a Rockeffeler etc. Prob why he was banned. Icke even replied to him in a newsletter proving Oxley was full of shit and making up nonsense about Icke.

Oxley supports Eric John Phelps (an Israeli blood diamond dealer and biblical Zionist who believes only Jews should be allowed to live in Israel and no other races or religions should be allowed too)

More about 2 tuff aka Oxley here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47641

[lightgiver]

He is Craig Oxley Yahweh aka adonai is his God (the angry one in the OT Bible) A hater of catholics, Oxley maybe a Purple arch royal mason linked to the Orange order.

Oxley bases much of his crap on Phelps are mostly disinfo.

Oxley bashes Icke a lot, done a thread saying Icke is a Rockeffeler etc. Prob why he was banned. Icke even replied to him in a newsletter proving Oxley was full of shit and making up nonsense about Icke.

Oxley supports Eric John Phelps (an Israeli blood diamond dealer and biblical Zionist who believes only Jews should be allowed to live in Israel and no other races or religions should be allowed too)

More about 2 tuff aka Oxley here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47641

Cheers fir that ES,good info none the less,none of us are perfect I suppose;):D

[philidor]

Don't forget that religions highly subjective: What "God" want's is always decided by Man Himself, Christianity also has nothing original and even gave a false sense of entitlement to kill people:

Laviticus: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"-anonymous barbarian that deserved to be tortured, if time travel was possible I'd locate this piece of shit and put him on the judas cradle, laugh at him and remind him that Rome, Greece, Egypt, and Assyria are far superior civilizations to his idiotic backwater.

[stompk]

More people should read this.

[realy]

Don't forget that religions highly subjective: What "God" want's is always decided by Man Himself, Christianity also has nothing original and even gave a false sense of entitlement to kill people:

Laviticus: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"-anonymous barbarian that deserved to be tortured, if time travel was possible I'd locate this piece of shit and put him on the judas cradle, laugh at him and remind him that Rome, Greece, Egypt, and Assyria are far superior civilizations to his idiotic backwater.

when you take into consideration that these belief systems were started by et, you will know mankind didnt start any of them they were taught these things from way back.

[stopthemadness]

Just remember the common link,


The Black Nobility
The Merchants of Venice
The Black Pope
The Catholic Church
The Jesuits
The Knights of Malta

ALL OF THESE are Jewish.

This is the truth and readily available for anyone to discover if they spend just a little time researching.

The bigger question is, what higher-dimensional (or lower dimensional?) entity or entities have purposely put this particular group of humans in such an influential position on this planet?

Saturn comes up often in metaphysical studies. There is something interesting happening at the large gas giants of Jupiter and Saturn. I hear it often when I research reverse speech. Investigate it yourself before rolling your eyes and dismissing it.

The Protocols of Zion are being implemented under our noses. Who is driving it, and for what ultimate purpose? I personally don't think the driving entity or entities (Satan, Yahweh, Reptilians, whoever/whatever) give two pieces of poo about the Jewish people. They are using the Jews who naively and greedily jump on what they perceive to be an opportunity to rule the planet. In the end they, the Jews, will suffer the same fate as the rest of us.

[realy]

Just remember the common link,


The Black Nobility
The Merchants of Venice
The Black Pope
The Catholic Church
The Jesuits
The Knights of Malta

ALL OF THESE are Jewish.

This is the truth and readily available for anyone to discover if they spend just a little time researching.

The bigger question is, what higher-dimensional (or lower dimensional?) entity or entities have purposely put this particular group of humans in such an influential position on this planet?

Saturn comes up often in metaphysical studies. There is something interesting happening at the large gas giants of Jupiter and Saturn. I hear it often when I research reverse speech. Investigate it yourself before rolling your eyes and dismissing it.

The Protocols of Zion are being implemented under our noses. Who is driving it, and for what ultimate purpose? I personally don't think the driving entity or entities (Satan, Yahweh, Reptilians, whoever/whatever) give two pieces of poo about the Jewish people. They are using the Jews who naively and greedily jump on what they perceive to be an opportunity to rule the planet. In the end they, the Jews, will suffer the same fate as the rest of us.

is there a place where i can hear these reverse speeches thanks.

[stopthemadness]

It would be better to run the experiment yourself. That way there is NO question about the veracity/authenticity of the results. Give me a few minutes to find my old post where I lay it out step-by-step.

[stopthemadness]

Richard Dawkins is a fool.

That's not my opinion. That's what he says in Reverse Speech about himself. In fact, Dawkins has crystal clear reversals, some of the clearest I have ever heard.

You want evidence of an astral realm where all the spirits know there is an Ultimate Creator, what religions call God? Here are the steps:

1-Go here and download Audacity for FREE:
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

2-Record a high quality mp3 or wav file, or download one from the internet. Richard Dawkins mp3's can be found for free on many websites...Google it.

3-In Audacity go to PROJECT, IMPORT AUDIO & select the mp3 of choice

4-You will see a graphical representation of the sound file. Go to EDIT, SELECT ALL to highlight the signal

5-Go to EFFECT, REVERSE

6-Go to EFFET, CHANGE TEMPO. Set the tempo change to about -10 to -12. Reverse speech needs to be slowed down, So slide the tempo to the left by about -10. Experiment with different tempos.

7-Go to EDIT, PREFERENCES, KEYBOARD and remap a few keys. Most important is to know what key controls the LOOP PLAY feature. You have to loop a segment of the signal so it plays over & over several times. Play Loop, Start/Stop, Undo, & Import Audio are the most important features.

8-On most Audacity versions there is an option for PREFERENCES, LOCK PLAY REGION or something to that effect. It makes a red bar on top of the signal that makes adjusting the play region easy.

9-Highlight the portion of the signal you are interested in. Use the magnifying glass Zoom tool to make it easier to distinguish distinct words. Use headphones or earbuds for better quality sound.

10-Play the highlighted portion in a looped manner & prepare to shit your pants because you've just opened up an entirely new perspective on creation. Every entity, I repeat EVERY entity, you hear is sentient, intelligent, and definitely knows that God exists.

11-optional-Record your own words or questions using a high quality microphone. Be prepared to freak yourself out. You will find out quickly there is more to "you" than you ever imagined. Astral twins, guardian angels, demons, angels, whatever you want to describe the entities as ...


All you have to do is have an open mind. The software is FREE. This experiment doesn't require anything more than a few minutes of your time. I assume this is what you mean by "evidence."

Have fun & don't be too freaked out by it. The first time you will probably be spooked.

How long does it take to download & install Audacity and then import a short mp3, reverse it, slow the tempo & listen?

I'm guessing 10-15 minutes max.

For an experiment that could potentially open up a brand new way of interacting with the universe, you sure are impatient.

I can write the steps necessary in under a minute I bet.

1-download Audacity
2-install Audacity
3-search internet for wav or mp3
4-download short mp3, open with Audacity
5-CTRL A to select all of the signal
6-Click Effect then Reverse
7-Click Effect then Tempo Change, set it to -12 (that's minus)
8-Click Edit Preferences Keyboard to hotkey the Play Loop feature.

Done.

It took me about a minute and a half to type that.


I should add:

Select a small section of the reversed signal, about 3-5 seconds, then Loop Play it while wearing a set of headphones. You select it by dragging a shaded region with the mouse. Hit the zoom button, +, several times to expand the signal on the screen to a usable scale. I usually hit it 7 to 10 times before selecting a block to Loop.

Don't get too freaked out. But you can also record your own voice onto your computer & reverse it. I use highest quality .wav files for optimum acoustical clarity.

Ask yourself questions & listen to your astral twin answer you.

Be warned, the first time you do this it will spook you. After a while you will get used to it.

If you were successful then congratulations, your consciousness has just expanded a little.

That's all there is to it.

[realy]

im set then i have goldwave just need to get the speeches.

want to post this section from an occult book by franz bardon on the intellegences/elemental beings from saturn, written in the 50s i think:

10. The Saturn SphereThe Jupiter sphere does not bring us to the end of the descriptions of the
planetary system of our cosmos. The next sphere to mention is the Saturn
sphere. Like the Mars sphere, this sphere is very hard to contact, and only a
well trained sphere magician should dare to embark upon it after having gone
through different initiating systems with a few original intelligences and after
having gathered much experience, during the course of many years, in mental
wanderings to the individual spheres and thus feeling almost at home in them.
Not every human being is strong enough to stand up against the oscillations
of the Saturn sphere, since they have the depressing quality of a nightmare.
The Saturn sphere is, in fact, the socalled Sphere of Karma. Its intelligences
may be regarded from man's rational intellectual point of view, the Judges of
all beings, planets and spheres. From the magical quabbalistic point of view,
direct contact with any of these judges has no practical value. If, however, the
magician considers himself mature enough and well acquainted with the
spheres, he might as well try to get into contact also with the intelligences of
the Saturn sphere. I desist, however, from giving any description of the
individual intelligences of the Saturn sphere, even from mentioning their
names and seals, for it could so happen that some presumptuous human
being, without thinking of the consequences, would dare to call up a Saturn
being by evocation. If the person is, in such a case, not strong enough ro
resist the vibration of that Saturn intelligence, not only his physical, but also
his astral death becomes unavoidable. Therefore a general description of this
sphere will suffice for the mature and wise, and such will, in spite of such a
short description, be able to get a clear picture of the effectiveness of the
Saturn sphere.
The few Saturn intelligences that have been mentioned in known books
written by authors such as Agrippa, Khunrath, and others, are not the highest
intelligences of this sphere and have, in general, only a subordinated range of
competence when compared with the genuine original intelligences of the
Saturn sphere, forty-nine in number. The already known intelligences named
Agiel, Arathron, Cassiel, Machatan, Uriel, etc., have, therefore, not much
importance in the Saturn sphere and are by no means original intelligences.
However, they show a certain affection for the zone girdling the earth, are
friendlier with the magician and therefore also easier to get into contact with.
What these intelligences can offer the magician in respect of magic and
quabbalah, the latter is sure to get to know much more from the intelligences
of any other planet's sphere. I am talking in this respect from the point of
view of personal experience, and every magician is able to find out the truth
of these words himself. What, for instance, Arathron can offer the magician,
each of the 360 heads of the zone girdling the earth can also do, without the
magician having to travel to the Saturn sphere. The same is true of Agiel and
the other so-called intelligences of the Saturn sphere mentioned in the
common grimoires. During wanderings, in my mental body, through the
Saturn sphere a long time ago, I personally came across Agiel and Arathron
and conversed with them, so I am recording here personal experience.
As far as the 49 original intelligences of the Saturn sphere are concerned, it
should be mentioned that they are responsible for the original Karmic principle
of all spheres, especially for the doings and effectiveness of all the negetive
beings of each sphere, beginning with our physical world. In accordance with
Divine Providence, they allow for the bad effects of negative beings. They are
in charge of the powers and effects of the principle of destruction in the whole
cosmic hierarchy. They see that justice is done and - depending on the
approval of Divine Providence - let negative effects become reality by their
subordinate beings. The Saturn intelligences allow wars not only on our
planet, but wherever love and hate exist; they let the negative principle work
up to a certain point and they are the ones that have to judge rigorously upon
human beings and beings of all spheres in accordance with divine orderliness
and legality. Therefore the Saturn intelligences are regarded as the so-called
Judges and Executers of Fate in the word's highest sense. Moreover, they
decide upon how long magicians who have concluded a pact with beings
negative or positive - have to remain under the power of the relevant beings.
Each original intelligence of the Saturn sphere has a certain range of power:
they have each a certain planet and a certain sphere under their command. If
the sphere magician is interested in learning about the range of effectiveness
of anyone original initiator of the Saturn sphere, about his influence and
subordinated planet, he can get exact information from a subordinated
intelligence like Agiel or Arathron. From what has been said here, the
magician will gather that he need not actually avoid the Saturn sphere, but he
will less care to contact its 49 original intelligences. It is not a pleasure to see
the doings of negative beings or to watch mentally how they are controlled
and punished. One needs strong nerves and a strong mental steadfastness to
do that. So much about the Saturn sphere. The seals of Agiel, Arathron and
the other inferior intelligences of the Saturn sphere are generally known.
Every magician will take heed not to reveal the names and the seals of the 49
original intelligences of this sphere to any immature person and will fully
understand why I desist from giving details.

[stopthemadness]

Yes, very interesting.

I've read much of Bardon's work. In fact, there's a copy of his Hermetics stuff on my bookshelf right now. He has some good meditation exercises. But I personally am not much into the Kabbalah. God's guidance for humans is not secret. It does not take years of esoteric study to reach. It is here, now, and readily available for any and all who sincerely want it, atheist and adept alike.

Much of what you quoted from Bardon rings true with what I've discovered with Reverse Speech. Saturn is the seat of Law for Earth. The ultimate decisions are cleared with an entity referred to as Justice High by the Saturn entities.

I differ in his caution about contacting these beings. They will not kill you physically or spiritually. God will not allow that. Remember that Bardon didn't have the luxury of technology to aid his investigations. He relied only on his occult practices.

What I would suggest is that you ask yourself (with a microphone hooked to your computer of course) who are the entities at Saturn & what is their purpose. You (and they) will answer you within the limits of the forward speech. That is, if you just say two words forward that doesn't leave much "wiggle room" for a coherent reverse answer. Longer sentences give better replies. But they take longer to analyze.

And also take note of the stray EVP's you discover, both forward and reverse. They give information as well.

[realy]

Yes, very interesting.

I've read much of Bardon's work. In fact, there's a copy of his Hermetics stuff on my bookshelf right now. He has some good meditation exercises. But I personally am not much into the Kabbalah. God's guidance for humans is not secret. It does not take years of esoteric study to reach. It is here, now, and readily available for any and all who sincerely want it, atheist and adept alike.

Much of what you quoted from Bardon rings true with what I've discovered with Reverse Speech. Saturn is the seat of Law for Earth. The ultimate decisions are cleared with an entity referred to as Justice High by the Saturn entities.

I differ in his caution about contacting these beings. They will not kill you physically or spiritually. God will not allow that. Remember that Bardon didn't have the luxury of technology to aid his investigations. He relied only on his occult practices.

What I would suggest is that you ask yourself (with a microphone hooked to your computer of course) who are the entities at Saturn & what is their purpose. You (and they) will answer you within the limits of the forward speech. That is, if you just say two words forward that doesn't leave much "wiggle room" for a coherent reverse answer. Longer sentences give better replies. But they take longer to analyze.

And also take note of the stray EVP's you discover, both forward and reverse. They give information as well.

I like the way you think hehe im mostly into mental visualisation and trying to make changes that way i have a very vivid imagination so that helps, i will get more into this reverse sound thing also thank you. the occult or spiritual aspect to things is wide and very exciting combining it with science makes it even more so.

[pound]

SQUARE = SATURN THE GOD EL
(THE BLACK SQUARE/BLACK SUN)

"SATURN wandered to Italy, where he ruled as king in the Golden Age and gave the name SATURNIA to the country." (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Saturn," p. 231)



Are you referring to the Kaaba cube, known to the Jews as the Tefillin?

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Kaaba-islam-172966_960_720.jpg

http://bokertov.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451bc4a69e20120a7f8ff4d970b-800wi

Odd how these black square stones resemble so much the mechanical device from Clive Barkers 'Hellraiser':

http://www.plumanimation.com/resource/sketchbook/hellraiser_box_01.jpg

[stompk]

The Sapphire in the occult world stands for Saturn.

Here, is a video of Cynthia Warner touting her algae based biofuel company
called Sapphire Energy. It's interesting to note, that Cynthia Warner quit BP about a year ago (she was head of Global Refining) to start Sapphire Energy, and she just received a $100 million grant from the US government...

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DxEjWgvgsdGc

If you don't know about algae fuels, I suggest reviewing my thread here;
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128512

[realy]

Are you referring to the Kaaba cube, known to the Jews as the Tefillin?

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Kaaba-islam-172966_960_720.jpg

http://bokertov.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451bc4a69e20120a7f8ff4d970b-800wi

Odd how these black square stones resemble so much the mechanical device from Clive Barkers 'Hellraiser':

http://www.plumanimation.com/resource/sketchbook/hellraiser_box_01.jpg

o hell yeah that resembles that evil little box from hellraiser im gonna investigate this box now! tanks pound for posting that.

[pound]

o hell yeah that resembles that evil little box from hellraiser im gonna investigate this box now! tanks pound for posting that.


Awesome. Let me know what you find out.

I always thought the resemblance between the Hellraiser box and the Kaaba/Tefillin were worthy of further investigation. I just never put two and two together until recently.

[realy]

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=863

Saturn in Semitic Civilizations Semitic civilizations referred to the god Saturn as “El”. The supreme deity was represented by a black cube. We can find instances of the cube across the world.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/cube.jpg
http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/060326-1.jpg
http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/800px-early_morning_alamo_by_david_shankbone.jpg
http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/416px-shelroshme3.jpg
This black cube is a remnant of the ancient worship of El.

also:
http://www.crystalinks.com/blackstone.html

"The Black Stone is a Muslim object of reverence, which according to Islamic tradition dates back to the time of Adam and Eve. Many consider it to be a Tektite. It is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient sacred stone building towards which Muslims pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia."

[stompk]

Weird how the OP is banned now.. What happened?!

Anyway, very interesting stuff, it makes a lot of sense and shows how far this rabbit hole goes.

The symbolism most of us have exposed or read about seems to be just a tip of the iceberg!

Very nice topic! Gonna dig deeper on this one ;)

Yeah, it is strange that the OP was banned.

[mr stoppitall]

This is the second person to have posted Saturn related material that is now banned.


Does anyone want to point out the real meaning behind the Superman movie and its relation to the El-ites?

Kal-El

[sundeep]

[QUOTE=mr stoppitall;1059838133]This is the second person to have posted Saturn related material that is now banned.


Does anyone want to point out the real meaning behind the Superman movie and its relation to the El-ites?

Kal-El[/QUOTEE
Superman Returns? The Symbolism has never really been away.

http://hetuurvandewaarheid.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/q-Illuminati-Monuments-of-Paris-Matthew-Delooze-088.jpg
With The current release of ‘Superman Returns’ I would like to post an article/posting that I did on the MSN group site Knowledge Sets you Free.
(linked below)


I suppose you could say its Superman the true symbolism returns?

I have always had the inclination that the ‘S‘, on the most famous chest in this world, meant far more than simply the initial of supe’s name or an identity name tag for his lycra top. The article below originated last year here……(I do hope you enjoy it)

http://groups.msn.com/knowledgesetsyoufree/welcome.msnw

Superman- The true symbolism
By Matthew Delooze


I realise that most if not all people will know of Superman he is one of the most famous characters in the world. Briefly Superman( real name Kal-EL) was sent to Earth by his father Jor-EL. He covertly kept the secret of his powers to himself .( EL is god or spiritual ruler in some ancient scriptures) I want to concentrate on the basic symbolism used by the media through Superman. Superman is well known for the famous “S” on his costume. This is the official explanation through Action Comics( DC Comics) claiming the S stands for superman etc. Apparently his Earth Mother came up with this idea. Obviously the S has far more symbolic meaning than kids, me included, were led to believe.



http://hetuurvandewaarheid.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/q-Illuminati-Monuments-of-Paris-Matthew-Delooze-089.jpg
(maybe we should say Superboy is talking SuperShite)

Yet in Superman the Movie the story changes simply because Supe’s dad is wearing the S shape before Superman is sent to earth so it cannot be his ‘Earth Mother’ Ma Kent who invents the reason for the S.

Lets first look at his fathers symbolism in Superman The Movie (1978)

There you go.. its already on the chest of his father or should I say the ‘GOD FATHER’?


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Now then fellow truth seekers….… do you see a superman “S” or do you see a snake or serpent?

I see a serpent… Ok… doubters and hecklers….let’s look at an older version of Superman’s chest symbolism


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http://hetuurvandewaarheid.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/q-Illuminati-Monuments-of-Paris-Matthew-Delooze-092.jpg
Please note the first one resembles an upside down tree and the second an upside down pyramid. The pyramid can also be symbolic of a tree.( e.g. if superman looks downwards, towards his chest, the tree shape and serpent symbolism becomes easier to see )

Lets look at a more modern superman S.



http://hetuurvandewaarheid.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/q-Illuminati-Monuments-of-Paris-Matthew-Delooze-093.jpg
Do you see a S or do you see a snake/serpent? Look again. What do you see? You can also see that the symbolism still tries to keep a similar shape to the older versions as though the serpent is in a tree. Download the picture and turn it upside down? I guarantee you will see a serpent sliding down a tree.

Just to make it easier for anyone not seeing the snake symbolism yet….look at this picture (used in a series called the Kent’s on TV)… No doubts now… have we?


http://hetuurvandewaarheid.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/q-Illuminati-Monuments-of-Paris-Matthew-Delooze-094.jpg
Let’s also look at the original symbolism used by Marvel comics for Superman’s father Jor-El.

http://hetuurvandewaarheid.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/q-Illuminati-Monuments-of-Paris-Matthew-Delooze-095.jpg
Jor-EL and Lara (supe’s mam and dad!…. or is it Sun symbolism? )

The different, yet so called official, stories regarding Superman’s “S” are available here for interested parties to research. Sun Symbolism is linked to “Lucifer the light bringer” , Lucifer is the greatest deceiver, and I sure believe that Superman followers may have been greatly deceived as to the true meaning of Superman Symbolism. I am not calling Superman the ‘devil’ please don’t misunderstand me . I am trying to say that the symbolism is linked to Sun/Serpent worship. Luciferic.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=articles/the-s-story

I believe the true symbolism used through Superman comics and films is really tree of life and serpent symbolism. There must be a reason for the use of this symbolism? Why is it being used in comics and movies?
So what does it mean?
Let’s go deeper
Take a look at this.


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Look at the Shape……..This is Tree of Life symbolism…. but who really controls our tree of life? Who controls our growth?



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This is tree of life and serpent symbolism. Can you start to see the connections with the Superman symbolism that has been implanted in the minds of ALL generations currently alive on this planet at this time ?

http://hetuurvandewaarheid.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/q-Illuminati-Monuments-of-Paris-Matthew-Delooze-098.jpg
http://www.crystalinks.com/kabala.html
Kabalistic tree of life in crop circle form.

I would like to point out that the Christian “Christmas” is basically a con trick. Yes folks, all you “Humbuggers” were right all along!


The very, simple, act of having a tree in your home decorating it (strips of tinsel etc) at Christmas is indeed an act of serpent cult worship. You are actually symbolising the serpent in the tree and placing gifts under the tree as an act of worship to the serpent cult. ( sorry to spring that on you folks!) Serpent /Luciferic trickery holds absolutely no boundaries. The greatest of all deceptions is to get you to worship something you wouldn’t and shouldn’t.

Think about it before you laugh at me.

A new film is going to be released in 2006.

After the symbolic death of Superman, through the “paralysed” Christopher Reeve, its called “Superman returns” . Here is the new 2006 logo. Do YOU see the letter S or do YOU see a serpent?


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Just going off track for a moment with the ‘tree of life’….
THE TREE OF LIFE AND THE HOLY FATHER
Please read the pope’s explanation of the Christmas tree.
(Pity he couldn’t explain the obelisk at St Peter’s sq. at the same time!)

Pope explains symbolism of Christmas tree
Vatican, Dec. 20, 2004 (CWNews.com) – During his Angelus audience on December 19, Pope John Paul II (bio – news) discussed the rich symbolism of the Christmas season, concentrating on the meaning of the Christmas tree that is now on display in St. Peter’s Square.

The Christmas tree, John Paul said, is “an ancient custom that exalts the value of life,” because the evergreen tree remains unchanged through the harshness of winter. When gifts are arranged under the tree, the Pope continue, it because a symbol of “the tree of life, a figure of Christ, God’s greatest gift to all men.”

The Holy Father made a point of saying that the gifts exchanged at Christmas should not be purely material and commercial. The “tree of life,” he said, points the way toward an exchange of spiritual goods: of brotherhood and love.

The Pope observed, before making his remarks on the Christmas tree, that the most important symbol of the season is the Christmas crèche, about which he spoke at his previous Sunday public audience. His remarks on these symbols come at a time when the European nations– particularly Italy and France– are caught up in debates about the display of Christian symbols in public places.

At the conclusion of his December 20 public appearance, the Pope acknowledged different groups that had attended the audience, giving a special warm greeting to a group of 40 young students, aged 4 through 12, who had survived the harrowing hostage September terrorist incident in Beslan……………………………

Right then folks don’t believe a word I say in this article as the Pope is God’s right hand man. He is talking “Jesus” isn’t he dating back 2005 years ? So please forgive me for pointing out the facts below. So, please, if you believe the Pope’s explanation of the Christmas Tree there is no point going any further reading this article.


I do remind those with Christian brainwashing inside them that “Jesus” was anti Authority. He was not religious in anyway. He did not create churches or set any silly rules that oppressed the masses.

If you see Jesus as a man and not as symbolism then “He” saw Authority as corrupt. “He” angrily attacked corruption at every convenient and inconvenient opportunity. This included the Church or Temple at the time. Then no doubt in modern terms “He” would attack the authorative Catholic Church and other major religions with the same vigour as “He” did back then because these “Authorities” are nothing but propaganda machines for the serpent that house paedophiles and conmen.

Christmas trees were going long before a man known as Jesus was “born“.
Indeed ask any Christian why a tree is put up in their home every year ( Yes I do it too and haven’t a clue why!) Decorated with trinkets and gifts? Who are you actually worshipping in doing such a thing?


There are many ancient tales about serpents in the tree etc. It dates back thousands of years. Consider the possibility that you are deceived into worshipping other symbolic gods instead of worshipping Christian values.
Look at the picture below .




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This is ancient Sumerian symbolism, long before Mary had to come up with a very good excuse to Joseph, where there were “tree rituals” going on.
“Reptilian (serpent) gods of the ancient middle east controlling the “tree of life”.” Reminds me of decorating a Christmas tree…. does it you?

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The Christmas tree is suppose to be symbolic of a figure of Christ and the tree of life according to the Pope – earlier in this article.


Bullshit I say and if Superboy said something truthful for once he would say Super BullShit too!

The picture above was created long before the New Testament was thought up. It’s symbolic of serpent cult worship as far as I am concerned. Do “Reptilians” or Serpent Gods create and harvest the tree of life for humans? Are they symbolically branding us and deceiving us into worshipping them without us realising it.

The symbolism indicates to me that this is true. Instead of branding our bodies by burning their logo on us they brand our spirit and subconscious through mental trickery. We surrender our subconscious to them.

This sort of symbolism is used via the likes of Superman. Example below.

From official superman site…
“TV’s mega-hit “Smallville” is all about exploring the hero’s back-story so it was natural they’d provide an explanation for the “S” – in fact, they’ve provided two explanations. In the first season episode, “Rogue”, Lex Luthor explains to Clark that Alexander the Great wore a breast-plate in battle that had a jewelled “S” type logo. According to Luthor, “the design symbolizes strength and courage.” Clark responds ironically: “I can’t exactly see myself going into battle with that on my chest.”

In subsequent seasons, a Kryptonian symbol that resembles the “S” emblem shows up in mysterious caves in Smallville, on an octagonal shaped Kryptonian key, and eventually on Clark himself when Jor-El (or his spirit or someone/something that claims to be Jor-El and/or his spirit) burns the symbol into Clark’s chest. To date, it’s unclear what the symbol represents.”…..



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Its not unclear to me.

So what is the symbolism suppose to mean? What is it all meant to mean?
To me it means that the majority of people in this world have been subconsciously “trained” to accept that “Superman is Good and trustworthy”. You won’t find any human with a bad word for Superman will you? They will all unconditionally believe that Superman stands for good. ( I realise folks that Superman is a ficticious. So don‘t think I have lost my marbles) I am referring to subconscious energies and subconscious beliefs when I say that we have been led to subconsciously to trust Superman .

This means we also have been led to trust the symbolism in the same way . When a person sees superman symbolism his or her spirit releases “respect energy“, for want of a better word, but this energy goes to those that created the symbolism and not the ficticious Superman.

The “S” is Superman’s best known symbol. Our spirit’s have been conditioned to respect it. Therefore the vast majority of humans on this planet automatically, subconsciously, “respect” the symbolism.
Can the “spiritual respect”, or thought energy, that is created through such things like Superman Symbolism and Christmas tree type rituals somehow be harnessed and therefore become a form of captured spiritual energy ? Energy milked out of us by unfeeling alien farmers?

Obviously this energy is invisible on a 5 sense level.
Does our mental conditioning to respect certain symbolism and our obedience in carrying out silly rituals involving trees somehow surrender our spiritual power to those that not only know how to extract such power from us but also know how to harness it for their own use?

The use of symbolism also works on a 5 sense level for those that have trouble understanding the point I am trying to make. This is easily explained by simply saying that millions of people blindly follow their countries flag into war or simply by following a football teams colours or religious banner. The energy created by such symbolism is enormous and I am told a soldier carrying the flag of his regiment in battle will fight 10 times harder than one who is not.

Simply put if symbolism on a 5 sense level is so powerful and an individual can increase his strength by 10 fold simply by concentrating on the symbolism he is carrying at the time then try to imagine the effect that the subconscious symbolism has if it involves millions of people? If this effect can be harnessed and stored then try to imagine the power those that can harness this energy will have gained.

It certainly would give them licence to rule our world…. wouldn’t it?
Obviously I have just used Superman and the Christmas Tree as two good examples of how things, we have been subjected to all our lives, could be used against us if their true meanings were kept from us. There are many more examples I could have used.

If we believe the Pope or the media then this article is a comical farce.
Please believe the Pope’s version of the meaning of the Christmas Tree if that’s what you want to do.


Please believe the Marvel comics version and the explanation from Warner Bros for the true reasons behind the Superman S symbolism, despite their contradictions, if that’s what you want to do.


I don’t expect anyone to believe that “Superman” or a “Christmas Tree” could be used against the human race in such a way as I have previously described. So get out the tree this Christmas and watch Superman on TV.


Lets face it folks only the greatest deceiver, or a slippery snake, would stoop so low in using such things against us… never mind getting the Pope to endorse them as well?


Till next time…..Have A SuperDay.

Matthew Delooze

Ps..If you found this article interesting I am sure you will find this even betteR(link below). It is in e-book format at the moment but it is soon to be released as a paper back.

…..The Stars Are Falling….

Order his books here:

http://hetuurvandewaarheid.info/2011/01/28/matthew-delooze-toward-the-light-books/

[sundeep]

the pictures dont appear to be working so may i redirect you here...
http://hetuurvandewaarheid.info/2011/05/31/matthew-delooze-4-eng-nl-superman-the-true-symbolism/

Ps,English version halwway the page.

[sundeep]

[QUOTE=mr stoppitall;1059838133]This is the second person to have posted Saturn related material that is now banned.


Who was the first?

[emperfire576]

yeh i read about this old Germanic order ("Fraternitas Saturni") about 4 years ago.. its a kind of offshoot Freemasonic type system of esoteric knowledge heavily focusing on sex magic .. there are loads of links on the net to a pdf version of an old book about it ..
Idont know about all this vatican stuff being said on here though ..i mean i was reading a few years ago on these sites that the vatican had to be satanic because the pope sat in a chair with an upside down cross on it ..which he does but when you do proper research its called st peters chair and st peter asked to be crusified upsidedown hence the chair ... its obvious that catholisism is full of shit without adding spooky stories to it..

[size_of_light]

Interesting thread, worth a bump.

[pepsi78]

SATURNIA

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/ITALYSATURN.jpg

(ITALY THE SEAT OF WORLD POWER)

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/hotelsaturnia.gif http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/dagon.gif
Hotel Saturnia logo with its Dragon looks very fishy like Dagon known as Saturn (EL)


Hotel Saturnia & International
S. Marco 2398 - Via XXII Marzo Venice - Italy

VENICE - ITALY HOME OF THE HIGHEST BLACK NOBILITY

Hotel Saturnia is located in the heart of Venice, only 250 metres from St. Mark's Square

SQUARE = SATURN THE GOD EL
(THE BLACK SQUARE/BLACK SUN)

"SATURN wandered to Italy, where he ruled as king in the Golden Age and gave the name SATURNIA to the country." (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Saturn," p. 231)

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/PopeBenedictwithredSATURNOhat.jpg
Pope Benedict XVI wears a "saturno hat", inspired by the ringed planet Saturn, to shield himself from the sun as he waves to the crowd of faithful prior to his weekly general audience in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican Wednesday.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/carloskissinghandofpope.jpg http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnaki_2006/dagon.gif
The Pope's Mitre is simply taken from once again Saturnknown as Dagon

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Saturn_(God)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/2...5-pope-hat.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060906-0705-pope-hat.html)

-2TUFF 26/9/6

I keep saying that Christianity was inspired after Saturnial customs. It has nothing to do with Jesus and what he was teaching.

[ksigmason]

I keep saying that Christianity was inspired after Saturnial customs. It has nothing to do with Jesus and what he was teaching.
Then what is?