The Moneymasters

[papillon]

Dear readers,

First a few words about my own findings; I'm afraid Max is right!! I am reading David for more than a year but in fact he leaves us in the dark as to 'who the people on the top of the conspiracy really are'; the Ilumminati, the Black Pope, aliens etc.? We all can guess about it while we need REAL information, no misleading crap!! For 90% he is right but doesn't pinpoint the right people and his theory on 'reptillian shapeshifting' Royal Family and father Bush, makes that a lot of people don't take him serious on other issues as well; is this deliberately!? Finally about a month ago I received an email from Max, a friend of mine, I feel I'm on the right track. Please, take this seriously and forward the message.

Papillon.
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Dear folks,

It's a long time ago, how are you doing? The reason I'm writing to you is another than usual: since a few months I am investigating what's about those conspiracy theories around 9/11. It took me a few months to wade through a pile of crap that you find on the internet, most theories are either pure nonsense, such as the Pope, the Bilderberg Group, the 'Neo-Nazi's', Bin Laden/ El Quaida are behind 9/11, or a mix up of truth with Ufo's & aliens, crop circles, holographic illusions, New Age etc.. Others say Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeldt are the culprits while in reality they are only the frontmen, puppets and people don't see who is pulling the strings behind the curtain. Finally..... I found the people who present the well documented & researched material in a concise way, the naked truth. The truth is very depressing for all of us but..... we can do something about it; in the first place by educating as much people as possible. A very good introduction is the movie The Moneymasters.
http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=The+Moneymasters

Then the Benjamin Freedman speech van from 1961
http://www.iamthewitness.com/historical.html (a textfile of it is on
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm )

This is an introduction for 'Many people suffer from the Smith Shock
Syndrome when they discover our site', listen to the audiofiles on
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBr...29Mar2006.html

For more and complete information:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/

History of at least the last 250 years has to be rewritten!

Max.

[the norseman]

Papillon,

Good post and interesting links that many I hope are already aware of.

I think the truth movement has been damaged by the shape shifting / new age stories etc. Whether or not they are true etc - I do not know but what I do know is that theories such as these turn many away from the truth movement.

I have been writing on these and a few other forums in Iceland, Germany and the Netherlands about how the "imagine your own reality" and "don't give out any negative energy" school of thought actually harms the information exchange - it may be true - I do not know, but what I do know is that most people are far too asleep for it to have any meaning for them. People have to be "physically / intellectually" awoken before they can be spiritually awoken. This is done by presenting them with hard facts and tangible information about how they are affected. Your links serve that purpose.

We as a group should be concentrated collectively on disseminating tangible information in easy to digest chunks through methods such as fliers, webpages, public speaking, other writings and meetings etc, only this way will be people see what the real agenda behind the news stories are.

As to the Esoteric etc, I have written numerous times that it has it place and it may well be the pinacle of the collective human awakening but it does not form the beginning. The beginning is an effective information exchange protocal with tangible "real" information that people can instantly relate to their own lifes / existances. If further down the line, the path then leads us collectively to the esoteric / so called new age then so be it but lets wake people up first.

People should continue to study such things but should also (in my opinion) focus their energies on forming groups of like minded individuals dedicated to getting information out into the public domain before it really is too late. The sticky at the top of this forum named "meeting" is excellent and I hope that it gains momentum.

The Norseman.

[papillon]

Dear Norseman.

Fine! Listen to the radiobradcast by Daryl Bradford Smith, how he is ranting the 1000's of 'TruthSUCKERS' that buy the crap being put on the web by a bunch of crooks that is deliberately misleading 1000's of honest truthseeking people; this is by design!!!!! Alex Jones, Rense and a bunch of others are infact criminals! Please, inform your friends & family! Since I got these sites from Max, I don't visit anyother sites (except sites that relate to specific issues); be aware of that 95% of the 'Truthseekers stuff' you find on the net is crap, misleading by design!!!

Listen here http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_19May2007.html

Papillon.

[eternal_spirit]

To me it's not important who was responsible for 911 or how it happened, its the past. What is important the fact that the Military and Government used 911 as a reason to carry on a War with Iraqu and create a Police state of interrogation and surveillance turning on their own people. This is the real issue not 911! I refuse to read or take part in any debate about 911, far too many different stories.

[mk72]

:confused: Hi papillon
I'm sorry to tell you that this is very old news: The Zionists, the visible European bloodlines who started the federal reserve, ect. Your thread does not make it clear who you think is on top of the conspiracy. Don't get me wrong I've also watched the Money Masters, it is very good and all fact based and I am aware of the Zionist movement but I think there is much, much more to this. If you find something it leads you to the next, and so on and so on, and the problem is not to get distracted by the obvious, like the Zionists the Jesuits the Masons ect.ect. You have to look at the last billion years not the last 250!!! And the real power is not visible, think about it, if you are on the top of this pyrimid you don't excactly live on the same planet we do, to have that much money and power is difficult for us to comprehend - these people will never let themselves be seen, they never have any accountability - how else could they do this for hundreds maybe thousands of years. The Black Pope the Iluminati are only distractions, they are not the real power, they are puppets. Also, which books of Icke did you read ? I found all these topics and more in great detail in "Robot's Rebellion" - I don't agree with you that he does not go into this. I think he has an angle that few other conspiricy theorist have and that is that he brings in Spirituality or "awakening", but some of his best work were research, based on all the above.
I do agree with you on the truth movement and how it is infiltrated by people who mislead us: like Rense and Alex Jones (bracing myself for a storm on this forum) also listen to what Lisa Guiliani says about them. Norseman – I agree with you, you have a valid point!

[the norseman]

mk72,

Without this turning into a group hugging moment, I agree with your points too. I fear that the information that many of us are chasing is indeed at the lower levels - it certainly goes up like you say and I am pretty sure we do not know who is at the top.

We need to focus our energies collectively on 1) diseminating this "lower level information" and 2) on digging ever deeper and 3) forming groups.

We should also all be making efforts to archive a lot of this information / thought as I do fear with the proposed changes to the internet that may take place in the not too distant future that much of it will be lost / surpressed. Also at the moment the truth movement is really only an online community and not a "physical one" if I can use that phrase. If the internet as we know it was shut down tomorrow we would all be fragmented and a collective voice lost - it is for that reason that I have been banging on about people meeting and forming study groups / debating societies / information disemination mechanisms and so weiter.

A political movement could also be formed down the line but that is a way off.

The Norseman.

[mk72]

Yes I was thinking about that too, now that we have more knowledge and we are on a schedule (NWO) it would be great to form groups but unfortunately not all of us can do that. In my community, and my country, although there are a lot more open minded people, I know 4 people who are into this, and I have to say I'm the extremist - most of them are just focusing on surviving. But I am hopeful and I feel we have to support each others opinions on this subject, we don't have to agree on everything as long as we don't focus on one thing, at the moment we have a worm's eye view on this. That is why there are misinformation so that we get hyped up, divided, and focused on our own believe system (Christian, new age, Muslim whatever it may be - just look at the doomsday Christians with their conspiracies). To me that is just another type of close-mindedness. I have to say though, I would stay away from politics - will always be corrupt

[auron]

So am i brother! :)

[papillon]

Sorry MK72 but your theorie sounds too farfetched for me; you end up with NOTHING as long you believe in mysteries which means you can do NOTHING about it. Truth is often right in front of us, you have to learn where to look for and tackle the problem. It is way easier to remain passive and indulge in mysteries! In Holland we say; 'blijf met beide benen op de grond', which means; stay with both feet on the ground!

But I fully agree on the fact that we form not a physical group, which is indeed difficult to materialize. I also know a handful of persons who are seriously interested, most are to lazy and/ or dumb, or simply have no time as they have to work hard for living on a shoestring! Anyway, we can save material on CD's/ DVD's, harddisks

Papillon.

[mk72]

What theorie ? I think you misunderstood me, but which mysteries do you think I believe in? You still haven't told us were we are wrong and who is really behind it - the links you provided are old news and it covers a very small amount of research. Maybe I missed your answer to it all.

[edro9494]

god bless you for this.

you dont know how frustrating it is to try to wake-up those who already think they are awake, or do you?

the "black pope" and the vatican arent committing genocide against Arabs, stealing land, controlling the international financial industry, controlling vital information through the media, or financing world revolution such as Communism or global terrorism such as 9/11, OKC, and the USS Liberty.

The Rothschilds are the top "Illuminati" family, they control world finances, nothing happens without their "blessings." They financed and founded Israel and are using naive "Jews" and christian zionists to further their one world agenda by triggering world war 3.

Most importantly, they ARE the Illuminati. Their idea and money was used to finance Adam Weishaupt, a crypto-jew, to setup the Bavarian Illuminati in 1776.

The "star of david" is an occult, kabbalistic symbol which was/is a symbol for the House of Rothschild!

The Rothschild financial systems control all but 5 countries in the world, of which include the likes of NKorea, Iran, and Syria. CAN YOU SEE THE AGENDA AND THE MANIPULATION YET?????????????????????

Do your homework people!

IAMTHEWITNESS.COM

People can't argue the information so they attack the messanger with all sorts of ridiculous, nonsense such as irrational allegations of anti-semitism.

[edro9494]

DBS and co. at iamthewitness.com really brought me into crucial information that people such as alex jones and david icke dont really get into.

time and again i find it unbelievable that this new age solution directly benefits the Rothschild controllers. People need to value and protect their right to live.

loving away our controllers will not help when you are about to be killed. we are justified and entitled to self-defense.

this "love them away" solution is the 2nd and final step of a 2-part solution. The first part is to dismantle the control by self empowerment and awareness.

at least this is what i learned from studying the history of government and the US Constitution.

despite what you believe being "enlightened" involves addressing all options and information. it is NOT swallowing what someone tells because you believe they are good and have "the truth"

[the norseman]

Edro,

I have to admit that I do agree with your points - I find the "new age" solution to be the biggest contributor to apathy that there is in the truth movement. The "love your way to freedom" and "imagine your reality and it shall be so" school of thought has done more to turn people away from the truth movement due to the perceived lack of credibility that this school of thought has. It has also, as you put, contributed to the lack of cohesion by us. Forums such as these / books and awareness of a global conspiracy has been around for years but we are no better off for knowing - in fact the agenda is moving swiftily along why people continue to think taking magic mushrooms and singing songs is the way to bring about change. NO.

The way to bring about change is for the online community to form physical groups and start to disiminate information on tangible topics to the masses.

There is a guy on here who I have read a number of posts from - I can not remember his name - but it seems he is doing a fantastic job in getting information out there as he is a film maker and this is one of the best mediums there is. We need more of the same. Also the chap that has the sticky on the "general forum" called meeting, again a fantastic step forward.

As I have said almost ad nausium - people in the same geographic areas should form study groups, debating societies, alternative media outlets, fliers etc and even films - unless we are just happy to read about the worlds problems, moan about them but ultimately do nothing. At present the so called truth movement is really only an online community - if the internet changes that are proposed do come about, the community could be effectively shut down and we would be fragmented and powerless.

The Norseman.

[papillon]

Listen to the interviews with Eustace Mullins, a vetaran who's is in the business for about 60 years. He's a down to earth man, confirms what you find on iamthewitness.com and not a single word that confirms crap like aliens, Ufo's, occult Masonic things; it's all kabbalistic garbage!

Keep both feet on the ground people!!

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviews_Mullins.html

In this intervieuw you can hear 'who's on top of the pyramide' according mr. Mullins; I think he's right.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/mp3/Smith_Mullins_7Feb2006.mp3

Papillon.

[papillon]

On http://www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.html
http://www.iamthewitness.com/ByDate.html you will find countless intervieuws and if you click on them you'll see underlying pages with more information. I am reading & listening to this stuff and only visit sites that link to related issues. I started spreading the message on this board.

Listening to David's latest broadcast http://www.bbsradio.com/temp/Toward_The_Light_5-20-07.mp3 I am striked by the fact that he tells NOTHING new that brings us closer to practical knowledge! He goes on talking about 'Infinite Love infinite Truth' etc., it's fuzzy talk and it's the same that I read more than a year ago in his books! Compere this to what I've learned in a mere 4 weeks on iamthewitness.com !!!!!!!!

David's stuff makes people self-indulging and PASSIVE; a very dangerous situation! People have been passive for ages and New Age worsens this in a 'new way'. When we got rid from our enemies, than...... we can rebuild society and integrate with 'Infinite Conscoiousness is Love'. I'm not telling David is a bad guy bud he keeps us away from taking action. I certainly do believe that we are 'infinite possibility' but let's first clean up the mess around us!

HAve a nice weekend, Papillon.