Waterboarding, and they say it isn’t torture...

[steevo]

Christopher Hitchens lasted seconds under waterboarding. And they say it isn’t torture.

Watch the video here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5061441.ece)

I cant help feeling that this stuff is being publicised purposely to frighten anyone who would consider "challenging" the PTB.
In the old days they would hang people, and as a warning to others, they would let everyone watch and even leave the rotting corpse hanging for all to see.
Nowadays to frighten us they TELL us these horrific stories in the media to SHOCK us into becoming docile (in the same way that they give an electric shock to a laboratory mouse in a maze and it will no longer try to go down the path that leads to the exit).
The mainstream media tells us that torture is being used by our governments, but nothing is done to stop the torture. We wait for the "heroes" to come and save us but no-one comes. And in our minds they legitimise the torture by being totally open about it and then it has the required effect, just like the hanging corpses that were there to warn us not to go down a particular path OR ELSE.

These mainstream media newspapers are sending out messages saying "dont mess with us or else!". THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT SEEMS TO ME ANYWAY.

[mushroombot]

Watch the video here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5061441.ece)

I cant help feeling that this stuff is being publicised purposely to frighten anyone who would consider "challenging" the PTB.
In the old days they would hang people, and as a warning to others, they would let everyone watch and even leave the rotting corpse hanging for all to see.


These mainstream media newspapers are sending out messages saying "dont mess with us or else!". THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT SEEMS TO ME ANYWAY.

I have to agree Steevo, I watched the video myself. These psychopaths have been at the top for so long, how do we take them down? It amazes me how they easily find people that are prepared to carry out these torture practices, and others much worse I'm sure. The trouble is, take out one lot and another lot rises to the top to fill their place.

[amandaooo]

I get a bit annoyed at the new age gurus who sate "Evil is only the absense of love". Excuse my french but what a lot of merde that statement is.

Evil is an intent and it is creative and it is a deed. Evil is not passive. It is real and focused.

Hitler mentioned meeting with the devil once. He stated: "He was intrepid and cruel. I was afraid of him". Alestair Crowley on his deathbed purpotedly stated "I am perplexed".

Torture does not make someone confess to something. It makes a person confess to anything the perpetrator wants them to, regardless of it being real or not.

So this: "Infinate love is the only truth - everything else is an illusion" does not wash with me. Evil exists and it is a clear and present danger for all of us to confront and - God willing - overcome.

[steevo]

I get a bit annoyed at the new age gurus who sate "Evil is only the absense of love". Excuse my french but what a lot of merde that statement is.

Evil is an intent and it is creative and it is a deed. Evil is not passive. It is real and focused.

Hitler mentioned meeting with the devil once. He stated: "He was intrepid and cruel. I was afraid of him". Alestair Crowley on his deathbed purpotedly stated "I am perplexed".

Torture does not make someone confess to something. It makes a person confess to anything the perpetrator wants them to, regardless of it being real or not.

So this: "Infinate love is the only truth - everything else is an illusion" does not wash with me. Evil exists and it is a clear and present danger for all of us to confront and - God willing - overcome.

Yeah that's the big question, does love and evil really exist as entities ?

I am not new age AT ALL (I dislike that stuff very much). PERSONALLY, I dont believe in evil entities or the devil. I think that when your mind is disconnected from your true self, and therefore you have no idea who you REALLY are, then you can be manipulated by others who place thoughts into your mind and then you act on it. Mind body and soul need to act in unison for you to do what you FEEL is the right thing. From the second you are born, your soul tells you right from wrong and your body and mind will act upon it. Obviously in the early days your parents guide you because your body and brain are not yet developed. Your soul will work with everything around you in order for you to co-exist.
People are brainwashed and manipulated by outside sources who wish to benefit from you being brainwashed. So that must mean that Bush is brainwashed and he has a soul that is pure too, his body and mind is just not connected to it, he is like a zombie where the soul leaves the body. And power corrupts absolutely.

But who were the people who manipulated Bush, and who were the people who manipulated those people, and who were the people who manipulated THOSE people AND WHY ?

I PERSONALLY think that it all possibily started when someone was given some knowledge that no-one else had (seeds were planted in people's heads) and the seeds then grew and they used their knowledge to get what they want, POWER OVER OTHERS. I think that the secret info has been passed down. I think the secret info is just how to manipulate others so that they can control others and they set up secret societies who would arrange it on a grand scale and they and their families would ALWAYS stay in control of us.

But for these people to carry out such attrocities on their fellow man, there has to be an absence of love (ie they are disconnected from their soul because of mind manipulation).

That's how I see it, BUT MAYBE I am wrong and there ARE evil entities. Who knows.:confused:

[elirien]

Watch the video here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5061441.ece)

I cant help feeling that this stuff is being publicised purposely to frighten anyone who would consider "challenging" the PTB.
In the old days they would hang people, and as a warning to others, they would let everyone watch and even leave the rotting corpse hanging for all to see.
Nowadays to frighten us they TELL us these horrific stories in the media to SHOCK us into becoming docile (in the same way that they give an electric shock to a laboratory mouse in a maze and it will no longer try to go down the path that leads to the exit).
The mainstream media tells us that torture is being used by our governments, but nothing is done to stop the torture. We wait for the "heroes" to come and save us but no-one comes. And in our minds they legitimise the torture by being totally open about it and then it has the required effect, just like the hanging corpses that were there to warn us not to go down a particular path OR ELSE.

These mainstream media newspapers are sending out messages saying "dont mess with us or else!". THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT SEEMS TO ME ANYWAY.

I didn't watch the video but I have to say that why don't they publicly try it on the people that claim that it isn't torture? That's the same mentality that says "a bloody revolution is good" but gets hick-ups on the thoughts of dying horribly in the tumult. It's not torture for them because they don't get waterboarded damn it!