David Irving Expelled From Polish Book Fair

[december]

WARSAW, Poland: Organizers of a Polish book fair on Friday asked British writer David Irving, who was sentenced to prison in Austria for denying the Holocaust, to leave the event.

Irving had been scheduled to present his books at an event organized by British publisher Focal Point, said Grzegorz Guzowski, head of the Ars Polonia company, which organized the Warsaw International Book Fair.

Guzowski said that, when organizers were alerted to the nature of Irving's work, he told the writer to go.

"I told him his message was in violation of Polish law and that I would not allow him to deliver it at the book fair premises, and I asked him to leave," Guzowski said.

"At first he refused and started shouting that there is no freedom of speech and that Poland is not a democratic country, but eventually he left," he added.

Irving was sentenced in February 2006 to three years under an Austrian law that applies to "whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse" the Nazi genocide or other Nazi crimes against humanity. The charges stemmed from two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989.

He was released after a court converted two-thirds of his three-year sentence into probation.

In Poland, denying the Holocaust is a crime that can carry a prison term. However, Irving is not currently under investigation there.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/18/europe/EU-GEN-Poland-Irving.php

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[the norseman]

"""""""Irving was sentenced in February 2006 to three years under an Austrian law that applies to "whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse" the Nazi genocide or other Nazi crimes against humanity. The charges stemmed from two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989.""""""

And:

""""""In Poland, denying the Holocaust is a crime that can carry a prison term. However, Irving is not currently under investigation there.""""""

Thought crime is already in existence but many refuse to see the above as negative. Whatever peoples individual believes are on the holocaust, did it happen? If so, how many really died? etc is irrelevent to the above (as are my views). If you question "official history" regardless of how you came to your own conclusions you can be sentenced under criminal law. It is truely ridiculous.

The question that this begs is where does this stop? I can almost guarentee that in years to come (unless the truth movement continues to expand) it will be an offence to question the official history of 9/11 and other manufactured events. The holocaust sets the precedent for control.

There are some very informative books on the internet regarding the holocaust that are available for download from various sources on the net - these books should be freely available for people to read and draw their OWN conclusions based on the evidence but many are not and only the internets relative freedoms allows the "other side of the information" to be displayed (the powers that be are working on destroying this in the near future).

People should be allowed to speak on any topic they like without fear of criminal punishment - if their arguments are well reasoned and based on facts etc - no matter how ridiculous the believes may be - only through open debate should it be tackled not outlawed.

It amazes me that people actually believe that Western Europe is free.

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[auron]

I have that guy's book. If anyone wants it PM me.

[december]

It amazes me that people actually believe that Western Europe is free.

It makes my wonder who actually run the EU?...
I think a war has been declared on the white people after the end of WWII.

The Jews just want EVERYONE to feel guilty....

:mad:

[the norseman]

The EU is just a front piece on the way to a one world government. The absurd immigration policies throughout the EU are designed to dilute culture and any form of national identity. In years to come the huge melting pot of peoples / cultures will mean that no real national identity can be fathomed and from this because everyone just sees themslves as European the one world government will be easy to introduce.

It is a difficult situation because, patriotism has been perverted to bring about wars and then the other side ie full integration has been perverted to dilute national identities and make a one world overt government a reality. The common trade in the EU was a good idea but one currency, eventually one language and one government with a microchipped / controlled population is not.

We digress though and I apologise that the above is off topic.

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[december]

The EU is just a front piece on the way to a one world government. The absurd immigration policies throughout the EU are designed to dilute culture and any form of national identity. In years to come the huge melting pot of peoples / cultures will mean that no real national identity can be fathomed and from this because everyone just sees themslves as European the one world government will be easy to introduce.


That is exactly what the Jews wanted to do in the USSR. The Jews tried to create a new Soviet man by mixing up all peoples and cultures, but they didn't make it though...

USSR WAS FOUNDED AND RUN BY KILLER JEWS
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[the norseman]

Auron,

Another couple of good books on the subject are:

Kulaszka - Did Six Million Really Die - Report of the Evidence in the Canadian False News Trial of Ernst Zündel (1988)

and:

The diary of Anne Frank - A Hoax - by Ditlieb Felderer.

Very interesting reads, whether people agree with them or not, they are certainly food for thought and do shine a different light on things.

I have both as PDFs but they are easily available through P2P exchange. I have them in English, German and Dutch.

The Norseman.

[papillon]

Look here for another possibily: is mr Irving a 'useful idiot'? http://www.erichufschmid.net/HoloHoax/DavidIrvingHoax.html

Papillon.

[baron von lotsov]

I have that guy's book. If anyone wants it PM me.

I hear there is quite a bit on the Dresden issue. I'm sure they don't want to have that can of worms resurface into popular debate.

[auron]

Tell you the truth i haven't read it yet. I got it the other day in a huge zip file with hundreds of other books. But like i say, I'll send it to anyone that requests it. :)

[the norseman]

Papillion, I have read that link before and it is an interesting read but the actual holocaust taking place and or why Irvin has been seen to back peddle is not at the centre of this debate but it is highly interesting it is good that you made the link available for others to have a read of.

What is central to the debate is the ability for a person to question established thought without encountering criminal charges and that is what we should be focusing on and getting others to see.

At the time, when Mr Irvin returned to trial I thought that he was going to use the court room as a world stage and was shocked when he did not. He may well have been blackmailed, I do not know but I agree it odd that the U-turn appeared to take place.

The website you linked to and others of the same ilk are good as background information and for filling in pieces and opening up further lines in ones research but the central theme does remain that it is a criminal offence in a so called free society to question official history and established thought and it is that which we should take away from this and disseminate. Whether the holocaust took place or not or if it did on the scale we are lead to believe is somewhat irrelevent.

As I said above people should question, "where does it end" first the holocaust, then 9/11 then 7/7 and so on. The holocaust was a precedent to silence people with differing opinions.

The Norseman.

[papillon]

Norseman, I understand & appreciate your remarks.

[december]

At the time, when Mr Irvin returned to trial I thought that he was going to use the court room as a world stage and was shocked when he did not.

If things will continue to move the way they are today, than in the future it is going to be illegal to read the books by David Irving.

Sure thing - EU is turning into neo-USSR...


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[the norseman]

December,

I agree and that is the point I have alluded to many times. It is now illegal to hold a different opion and make that opinion public. It is not a huge step for the establishment to take and ban the reading of material that they deem inflamitory such as Mr Irvins books and even the books of Icke and so on.

Opinions are opinions and they should be free to be expressed no matter how absurd they are - it is through considered informed debate that the absurdity of such opinions should be highlighted and NOT by criminalising any form of marginal thought.

The Norseman.

[december]

Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax

By P. Samuel Foner
The Spotlight
Volume XIX, Number 2
5-31-4

In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.


What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.
With this admission by none other than the respected head of the Auschwitz State Museum, one of the most sacred 'facts' of history has been destroyed. This 'gas chamber' is the major historical 'fact' on which much of the foreign and domestic policies of all Western nations since WWII are based.

It is the basis for the $100+ billion in foreign aid the United States has poured into the state of Israel since its inception in 1948 - amounting to $16,500 for every man, woman and child in the Jewish state and billions more paid by Germany in 'reparations' - not to mention the constructing of Israel's national telephone, electrical and rail systems...all gifts of the German people.

It is the basis for the $10 billion 'loan' (read 'gift') made to Israel for housing its immigrants in the occupied territories...while Americans sleep on the streets and businesses are bankrupted by the thousands. (Note - As of 2004, not a single 'loan' of US tax money made to the state of Israel by Washington has ever been paid back. -ed)
Germany is paying 'reparations' - the the United States is making major contributions - to atone for the 'gassings at Auschwitz' and elsewhere. If the 'homicidal gas chambers' were postwar creations of the Soviets, in which no one was gassed regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin, then these 'reparations' were unnecessary, and were based on fraud.

The videotape on which Dr. Piper makes his revelations was made in mid-1992 by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole and follows 12 years of intensive investigation by dozens of historians, journalists and scientists who have tried to get to the bottom of what really happened at Auschwitz.
Like most Americans, since his youth, Cole had been instructed in the 'irrefutable fact' that mass homicidal gassings had taken place at Auschwitz. The number of those executed - also declared irrefutable - was 4.1 million.

Then came the Leuchter Report in 1988 which was followed with an official 're-evaluation' of the total deaths at Auschwitz (down to 1.1 million). As a budding historian - and a Jew - Cole was intrigued.
Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted or questioned the official 4.1 millon 'gassing' deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-semite, neo-nazi skinhead at the very least. Quietly, because of revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million. No mention was made of the missing 3 million.

The Cole videotape interview proves that the people who run the Auschwitz State Museum had made a practice of fabricating 'proofs' of homicidal gassings. Keep in mind that over the years millions of tourists have been told that 'Krema 1' is in its original state, while officials knew that 'original state' is a ie.

The political, religious, fiancial and historical ramifications of this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie. It proves that what televangelists such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have been telling their flocks is simply not true.

No one, regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin was gassed to death in any building so designated at Auschwitz. And without 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz, where is the reasoning for the special treatment of the state of Israel?
Note - This is excerpted from the orginal, much longer article by P. Samuel Foner.

SOURCE -

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

[december]

EU is turning into neo-USSR.

Here is proof -

Banning the freedom to deny

Germany is courting a row over freedom of speech as it seeks to clamp down on those who deny genocide or mass murder.
Before its six-month spell at the helm of the EU is up, it hopes to push through measures which would criminalise, and possibly imprison, not just those who downplay the Holocaust but also those who belittle genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

"Historically proven facts must not be denied," said German Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries in a radio interview this week.


EU STATES WITH LAWS AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL

Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Lithuania
Poland
Romania
Slovakia

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6336513.stm