Christians, Read Your Bible!

[seekingthetruth]

I was hoping to encourage all of the Christians out there to take some time out of your day to read your Bibles! So often we get caught up in what's going on in the world, that we grow stagnant in our Christian walk. There is nothing in this world that comes close when compared to being in a right relationship with God, and no amount of news involving world events should distract us from our primary focus.

I'm sure many of you will think this suggestion is cowardly, but let me make something clear. The second a person repents of their sins, putting their trust in Jesus Christ to be their Savior, your priorities should change drastically. As Christians we are instructed to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to others, and there is NOTHING more important than doing this very thing. Some may argue that there are many lives at stake when it comes to political "conspiracies", (Which we should oppose) but keep in mind that a persons eternal soul if FAR more important than the insignificant amount of time they are living on this earth. Don't get me wrong, we should be observant to the systems and powers that are in place, doing what is right in Gods eyes regarding who we should support, (Politically) but these issues should always be a Christians second priority. The Bible instructs us to study the Word of God so that we may be approved unto Him ... so I just pray you will keep God in the driver seat of your life where He belongs. (God should be second to NO ONE)

(Although comments are more than welcome, keep in mind that this post is intended for Christians. Any anti-Christian comments hoping to start a debate will be ignored)

[madthumbs]

(Although comments are more than welcome, keep in mind that this post is intended for Christians. Any anti-Christian comments hoping to start a debate will be ignored)

It's great that you suggest they read it. Debate? - There wouldn't be if they simply read it for what it is.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations; seekingthetruth:

Welcome to the Party. :)

Myself, I am into the Bible yet I am not a christian.

A very wise and profound Book that stirs the full range of emotions and intellect.

You will find many here who share your ardor, and many who do not.

There is alot of wonderful, diverse information to be found on this Board, likewise the membership: wonderful, diverse and interesting.

Enjoy what you like, disregard the rest.

Kind Regards: Snoops

[tjohn]

I was hoping to encourage all of the Christians out there to take some time out of your day to read your Bibles!Yes, read your bibles, like I did for half my life! Then only to find that after all the years of study, the truth is not outside by looking to religion to tell us what to think and feel!
The second a person repents of their sins, putting their trust in Jesus Christ to be their Savior, your priorities should change drastically. What sins? You mean like the time I stole some apples from an orchard as a kid? Or how about the many times I have lost my cool with people because they show little compassion for anyone but themselves or their religious group? Or if they do, it is usually conditional that the person(s) they show compassion for become 'believers'. Religion is for people who do not know what real love is, because although it often teaches love, it has people not wanting to show true love.

Religion is for insecure people who cannot forgive themselves and much of the guilt is caused by religion! I cannot put right the wrongs I have done in the past, other than forgive myself but there is nothing, I repeat nothing I have done that can even remotely compare with all the lies and all the murder that religion has done throughout the ages!

Religion is for people who cannot find the God within because although it does sometimes say that God is within, it has people looking elsewhere for 'wisdom'! So after many years it finally dawned on me that the truth is really inside (and not just a meaningless catch-phrase) and the main thing that was preventing me from fully realising was religion!

[armoured_amazon]

I was hoping to encourage all of the Christians out there to take some time out of your day to read your Bibles! So often we get caught up in what's going on in the world, that we grow stagnant in our Christian walk. There is nothing in this world that comes close when compared to being in a right relationship with God, and no amount of news involving world events should distract us from our primary focus.

I'm sure many of you will think this suggestion is cowardly, but let me make something clear. The second a person repents of their sins, putting their trust in Jesus Christ to be their Savior, your priorities should change drastically. As Christians we are instructed to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to others, and there is NOTHING more important than doing this very thing. Some may argue that there are many lives at stake when it comes to political "conspiracies", (Which we should oppose) but keep in mind that a persons eternal soul if FAR more important than the insignificant amount of time they are living on this earth. Don't get me wrong, we should be observant to the systems and powers that are in place, doing what is right in Gods eyes regarding who we should support, (Politically) but these issues should always be a Christians second priority. The Bible instructs us to study the Word of God so that we may be approved unto Him ... so I just pray you will keep God in the driver seat of your life where He belongs. (God should be second to NO ONE)

(Although comments are more than welcome, keep in mind that this post is intended for Christians. Any anti-Christian comments hoping to start a debate will be ignored)

Thank you. God bless :)

[jayelowell]

I'm not a Christian but incourage everyone to read the bible!

[serenevasaline]

I was hoping to encourage all of the Christians out there to take some time out of your day to read your Bibles! So often we get caught up in what's going on in the world, that we grow stagnant in our Christian walk. There is nothing in this world that comes close when compared to being in a right relationship with God, and no amount of news involving world events should distract us from our primary focus.


A few day's back I got dragged back to God:D

I had been into this conspiracy stuff too deeply and I started to only feel and see badness and corruption in the world.

I ended up feeling fearful every second of the day.

I asked myself " why is there no good in the world anymore" and instantly I answered myself " because you are seeking badness" . It woke me up and i turned to God and the fear went. No lie's. I had spent weeks being so afraid. I had learned so much amazing truths, but the one thing I had totally neglected was my relationship with God. And look what happens when you seek bad and neglect God. You go down and down. And that's what satan (be he an energy, man, demon, mushroom) wants. He want's us to be scared.

I believe in a LOT of what is said on this site. But at the end of it all there has to be a beginning, a creator, justice, good. Whether he be a man, energy, or tetrhedron sitting on a throne (:D), God exsists.

Excellent post OP.

[tjohn]

A few day's back I got dragged back to God:D

I had been into this conspiracy stuff too deeply and I started to only feel and see badness and corruption in the world. If you feel sad for the world that's the God within - prompting you to do something. If you are only worried about yourself and your comfort that's not God. Have a think about it.

[armoured_amazon]

If you feel sad for the world that's the God within - prompting you to do something. If you are only worried about yourself and your comfort that's not God. Have a think about it.

She didn't say that. She said that the enemy was dragging her down with negativity and she wasn't able to feel serenity. Misery is a tool of satan and he LOVES when people succumb to it. Negativity smothers progress, compassion and spiritual growth.

A few day's back I got dragged back to God:D

I had been into this conspiracy stuff too deeply and I started to only feel and see badness and corruption in the world.

I ended up feeling fearful every second of the day.

I asked myself " why is there no good in the world anymore" and instantly I answered myself " because you are seeking badness" . It woke me up and i turned to God and the fear went. No lie's. I had spent weeks being so afraid. I had learned so much amazing truths, but the one thing I had totally neglected was my relationship with God. And look what happens when you seek bad and neglect God. You go down and down. And that's what satan (be he an energy, man, demon, mushroom) wants. He want's us to be scared.

I believe in a LOT of what is said on this site. But at the end of it all there has to be a beginning, a creator, justice, good. Whether he be a man, energy, or tetrhedron sitting on a throne (:D), God exsists.

Excellent post OP.

What a great thing. :)

Often when I receive word from God it is about me focussing everywhere but at Him. When I turn my focus back to God, everything's calm. My biggest thing to learn is to trust, i.e. not always rush around looking for answers but to relax and wait and then He will provide them. I'm really not good at staying still.

:)

[amethyst]

Aye.

What the elite have done is they have taken the truth contained in the Bible, and used it for their 'own" ends to fulfill their "own" agenda.

Basically, because they (the elite) do not want anyone to read the words contained in the Bible, and let people come to their own conclusions about what they are reading.

They want to promote their own interpretations of what the scriptures mean.

But if you read for example, the words of Jesus Christ, you will find that His words are the antithesis of what the elite say about God and Christ. Because their Christ is not the real Christ. And their promotion of Christianity, is not real Christianity.

Thus, they hide behind Christianity and the Bible. And, at the same time, they do it "in plain site" if that makes sense to anyone. It's a clever way to twist the actual intent and true meanings of the scriptures.

[tjohn]

She didn't say that. She said that the enemy was dragging her down with negativity and she wasn't able to feel serenity. Misery is a tool of satan and he LOVES when people succumb to it. Negativity smothers progress, compassion and spiritual growth.
It depends on the context. Some people don't want to know about the negative because it spoils their personal 'peace' and comfort zone.

We have to first recognise that the negative does exist, in order to (try at least) put things right. Apathy towards the suffering of others is why not enough is being done to help people who really need help and such apathy is the most negative of all.

Millions of people pray that their children will not starve to death. Millions of people pray for peace and millions of people pray for the wars to stop that blow people to bits (including babies and children)! But their prayers are not being answered because it is we who are better off in our part of the world, who do not care enough about fellow humans!

[thirdwave]

I would like to see the day Christians unite with Lucifer and call for peace.

[armoured_amazon]

It depends on the context. Some people don't want to know about the negative because it spoils their personal 'peace' and comfort zone.

We have to first recognise that the negative does exist, in order to (try at least) put things right. Apathy towards the suffering of others is why not enough is being done to help people who really need help and such apathy is the most negative of all.

Millions of people pray that their children will not starve to death. Millions of people pray for peace and millions of people pray for the wars to stop that blow people to bits (including babies and children)! But their prayers are not being answered because it is we who are better off in our part of the world, who do not care enough about fellow humans!

You didn't read the post.

[jayelowell]

I also suggest christians learn to read in hebrew! the original langauge that the bible is written in instead of the one translated by a pagan who didn't know how to read hebrew!

[thirdwave]

You didn't read the post.

looking at your sig, I actually spotted something...

if you look at my little edit here

"We are of Good: he that knoweth Good heareth us; he that is not of Good heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. - Romans 12:4-8

then it sounds much better! :)

[armoured_amazon]

looking at your sig, I actually spotted something...

if you look at my little edit here



then it sounds much better! :)

Remixes are never as good as original songs. ;)

[thirdwave]

Remixes are never as good as original songs. ;)

exactly.

[armoured_amazon]

exactly.

+1 ;)

[tjohn]

You didn't read the post. Huh???

[thirdwave]

Huh???

lol, probably in the bible ...

[madthumbs]

Here's a good one to read:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm

[tjohn]

Remixes are never as good as original songs. ;)Depends on which you heard first and Christianity is a remix!

[emerald]

When will useless threads cease to be opened? In the same note, I suggest to open similar threads, but addressed to Muslims, Buddhists, Jews etc.)

[tjohn]

You didn't read the post.I did read it but I didn't answer as expected and you didn't answer what I said.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=599333&postcount=11

Can you tell us why millions of prayers are not being answered, amazon?

[tjohn]

When will useless threads cease to be opened? In the same note, I suggest to open similar threads, but addressed to Muslims, Buddhists, Jews etc.)It would be OK if instead of trying to prove their religion people were being objective.

Are you following me around with those eyes of your again? lol :eek:

[emerald]

It would be OK if instead of trying to prove their religion people were being objective.

Are you following me around with those eyes of your again? lol :eek:

I'm not following u, dont worry, theres no sugar:D

[tjohn]

I'm not following u, dont worry, theres no sugar:D

Well, that's OK then. lol :D

[thirdwave]

When will useless threads cease to be opened? In the same note, I suggest to open similar threads, but addressed to Muslims, Buddhists, Jews etc.)

true in that all religions are the same as most people are noting... but apart from a recent thread started by a Muslim there have not been army's of those religions here telling us there god is the NWO saviour and how the NWO is out to kill their god...yadda yadda......

[twistedconcept]

Aye.

What the elite have done is they have taken the truth contained in the Bible, and used it for their 'own" ends to fulfill their "own" agenda.

Basically, because they (the elite) do not want anyone to read the words contained in the Bible, and let people come to their own conclusions about what they are reading.

They want to promote their own interpretations of what the scriptures mean.

But if you read for example, the words of Jesus Christ, you will find that His words are the antithesis of what the elite say about God and Christ. Because their Christ is not the real Christ. And their promotion of Christianity, is not real Christianity.

Thus, they hide behind Christianity and the Bible. And, at the same time, they do it "in plain site" if that makes sense to anyone. It's a clever way to twist the actual intent and true meanings of the scriptures.

Good post.

I'm not a Christian (my father is probably the only person in the family that is - he dismissed the Bible, started to believe it, and dismissed it again before going back to it. He states that everything takes him back to the Bible).

The Bible has some good things and points to a lot of historical truth:

'Do not trust in man'

'Beware of false prophets'

It wouldn't surprise me if the elite have done everything in their power to destroy Christianity and label religion as mass mind control. If this book is true (I believe it's possible), I'm sure they'll have done everything in their power to destroy its original message.

[thirdwave]

'Do not trust in man'

'Beware of false prophets'



don't trust man?, even though man wrote the bible!

don't trust in man, just put it all in a god that never even was.

submit ...submit.

trust in Jesus, and anyone that points out its all bollox, just trust in the bible and see him as a false prophet! .. the more sense he makes the more you are being tempted by "satan" ..lol

because Jesus Christ has made his claim as the only true prophet (as if there can only be one) by all the over whelming evidence of his existence!... and the wonderful job he has done delivering his message....!

I mean if it was not for him Humans would not have understood how to be good.

:rolleyes:

[armoured_amazon]

It wouldn't surprise me if the elite have done everything in their power to destroy Christianity and label religion as mass mind control. If this book is true (I believe it's possible), I'm sure they'll have done everything in their power to destroy its original message.

Without a doubt. That's why men of hate will never be able to read the Bible properly, because the message is so deeply covered. The Holy Spirit lifts the letters from the page.

:)

[twistedconcept]

don't trust man?, even though man wrote the bible!

don't trust in man, just put it all in a god that never even was.

submit ...submit.

trust in Jesus, and anyone that points out its all bollox, just trust in the bible and see him as a false prophet! .. the more sense he makes the more you are being tempted by "satan" ..lol

because Jesus Christ has made his claim as the only true prophet (as if there can only be one) by all the over whelming evidence of his existence!... and the wonderful job he has done delivering his message....!

I mean if it was not for him Humans would not have understood how to be good.

:rolleyes:

That's your opinion. I disagree.

I don't discount the possibility of the Bible being accurate. It wouldn't surprise me if its original message has been twisted.

[thirdwave]

Without a doubt. That's why men of hate will never be able to read the Bible properly, because the message is so deeply covered. The Holy Spirit lifts the letters from the page.

:)

Way to go Jesus and his merry men!!, deliver the world message but cover it so everyone thinks your talking shite and cant see those letters "drift from the page" ...

then when somone like Icke comes along and talks more sense in one of his farts, we will just see him as a false prophet or another lost soul who cant get in deep enough to see that covered message... covered by lots of bullshit.

You would have thought after Jesus went to all that trouble down here to be slaughtered to death for our sins and to spread the word of god... he would have at least made a few "Bible for dummies" books or something...

or maybe waited till the late 19th sentry and made a DVD with more illustration!

By the way just because I don't care a speck about Jesus Christ and it has no relevance to be WHAT'S SO EVER .. it does not mean Im filled with hate.... I have a degree of hate in me .. and to a degree you need it in order to feel.

the difference is my hate is out in the open and expressed, where others like to cover it sugar and ignorance.

I believe Jesus him self expressed hate...
but I guess that was one of those deeply covered fuck ups... :rolleyes:

[thirdwave]

That's your opinion. I disagree.

fare enough..

It wouldn't surprise me if its original message has been twisted.

Well ok, so it seems either way you have decided you WANT to believe Jesus was real, even if the available info we have on him (which is all we have) may be corrupt.... fare enough... all free to believe what we want.

its just a shame this belief's has ruled the world for the last 2000 years...

[thirdwave]

Ahhh here we go...


Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:


Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

also talking of hate

James 2:13 For he shall have judgement without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgement.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

here Jesus spears to approve of the violence in the old testament and other older texts....
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


Can you explain the deeper side of this as I have been trying and it I just don't seem qualified enough...

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace, but a sword. ...

Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.



a bit harsh, do you agree with this? .. any thoughts?

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


here we see Jesus telling us to fear god...he is talking about GOD..not Satan belive it or not.

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

and this one...seriously Im interested to know how I should be reading this..
John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

I'm trying to understand how all this expresses freedom!

what ever man... the guy was a arse hole, and was not very tactful.... came here to be slaughtered to death and say its because of us... and then leave us with all these really unpleasant texts with awful imagery, knowing full well the state of affairs and the mentality of the humans around him at the time.

[twistedconcept]

fare enough..



Well ok, so it seems either way you have decided you WANT to believe Jesus was real, even if the available info we have on him (which is all we have) may be corrupt.... fare enough... all free to believe what we want.

its just a shame this belief's has ruled the world for the last 2000 years...

No. I already told you that I'm not a Christian. I don't know if he exists or not. I'm open to the possibility...

[twistedconcept]

Ahhh here we go...





also talking of hate





here Jesus spears to approve of the violence in the old testament and other older texts....



Can you explain the deeper side of this as I have been trying and it I just don't seem qualified enough...




a bit harsh, do you agree with this? .. any thoughts?



here we see Jesus telling us to fear god...he is talking about GOD..not Satan belive it or not.


and this one...seriously Im interested to know how I should be reading this..


I'm trying to understand how all this expresses freedom!

what ever man... the guy was a arse hole, and was not very tactful.... came here to be slaughtered to death and say its because of us... and then leave us with all these really unpleasant texts with awful imagery, knowing full well the state of affairs and the mentality of the humans around him at the time.

If my creation turned against me like the Bible claims it did, I'd be pretty fucking annoyed with people. If I offered them perfection and they kept turning their back on me (despite me forgiving them), I'd let them have it their way.

[thirdwave]

No. I already told you that I'm not a Christian. I don't know if he exists or not. I'm open to the possibility...


First of all I have not really gone into him existing or not... there is no evidence he did not exsist, although there is much to show he did not exist in the way the bible portrays... and infact if he did there is everychance he was nothing like any "Christisn" or anyone smiler for that matter. That is not what I am saying at all.... I'm saying there is no Evidence he existed, which is more important seeing as the whole western world has been dominated by his texts..... I am also saying that whether he or such a person existed the bile is most certainly not the words of wisdom such a wise person would want to project ... and he would not have even wanted grouped beliefs... and would not have made people fear walking away from his teachings....

I did not say you said you were a christian....

You said you agreed with the bibles warning of not trusting false prophets yet you say we should trust Bible, hence Jesus?, and you also say that you would not be suprised if the book has been corupted, So Im saying that you obviously WANT to belive he was real and this is what your view is based on, as all you have to go by is the potentualy corrupt book you talk of, and your faith... can you point out a copy of a pre corrupt bible?

You can think what you want but I'm just pointing out what appears as a contradiction in my view. If i'm wrong then I apologise and feel free to correct me.....

[thirdwave]

If my creation turned against me like the Bible claims it did, I'd be pretty fucking annoyed with people. If I offered them perfection and they kept turning their back on me (despite me forgiving them), I'd let them have it their way.

Let them have it their way??????

HU????

since when has man wanted to burn for eternity in a lake of fire???? .. I don't think that's MANS WAY! ... he made it very clear he intends to punish man for his sins, and some of the sins he has deemed punishable (often buy death) are harsh to say the least.

If God is really the creator and the one, then if man kind do not like his teachings then either his teachings are shit, of he fucked up with his creation and there for its HIS responsibility to fix it..... not get all bitter and hateful because his creation has not done what he wants....

is he some sick arse hole who needs his self esteem boosted by hi little human toys?

He has the power to damn us to hell..... he is all great, all seeing, he can do anything .... but yet he seems to be short of ideas with his man kind creation, so he just lets them have a thing called "their way" ....


well so much for having to not be hate filled to understand the bible then!

[twistedconcept]

First of all I have not really gone into him existing or not... there is no evidence he did not exsist, although there is much to show he did not exist in the way the bible portrays... and infact if he did there is everychance he was nothing like any "Christisn" or anyone smiler for that matter. That is not what I am saying at all.... I'm saying there is no Evidence he existed, which is more important seeing as the whole western world has been dominated by his texts..... I am also saying that whether he or such a person existed the bile is most certainly not the words of wisdom such a wise person would want to project ... and he would not have even wanted grouped beliefs... and would not have made people fear walking away from his teachings....

I did not say you said you were a christian....

You said you agreed with the bibles warning of not trusting false prophets yet you say we should trust Bible, hence Jesus?, and you also say that you would not be suprised if the book has been corupted, So Im saying that you obviously WANT to belive he was real and this is what your view is based on, as all you have to go by is the potentualy corrupt book you talk of, and your faith... can you point out a copy of a pre corrupt bible?

You can think what you want but I'm just pointing out what appears as a contradiction in my view. If i'm wrong then I apologise and feel free to correct me.....

No, I didn't say we should trust the Bible. People can take what they want from it. The message of not trusting man and not being deceived by false prophets are good ones. We are constantly deceived (look at most people's reaction to Obama).

I'm also not saying I want to believe he is real. The elite seemingly worship other entities (possibly a luciferian agenda). If they do worship the devil, they'd have every reason to corrupt the original message of the Bible, assuming it's true.

[twistedconcept]

Let them have it their way??????

HU????

since when has man wanted to burn for eternity in a lake of fire???? .. I don't think that's MANS WAY! ... he made it very clear he intends to punish man for his sins, and some of the sins he has deemed punishable (often buy death) are harsh to say the least.

If God is really the creator and the one, then if man kind do not like his teachings then either his teachings are shit, of he fucked up with his creation and there for its HIS responsibility to fix it..... not get all bitter and hateful because his creation has not done what he wants....

is he some sick arse hole who needs his self esteem boosted by hi little human toys?

He has the power to damn us to hell..... he is all great, all seeing, he can do anything .... but yet he seems to be short of ideas with his man kind creation, so he just lets them have a thing called "their way" ....


well so much for having to not be hate filled to understand the bible then!

According to the Bible, God gave man perfection and they initially accepted. They eventually wanted to be in control (outside of God's control) and leave God's control. After constantly going against God's will, he eventually gave up on them and turned his back. He gave them what they wanted.

According to the Bible, God has no control over earthly events. The people that really believe in Christ will receive paradise and the doubters will suffer in hell. This is what I got out of it but I can't go any deeper.

Christians will be able to go into greater detail.

[thirdwave]

According to the Bible,

Ok, listning with all my trust.

God gave man perfection and they initially accepted.
and then we got amnesure?... so much for individualism and free will, he didn't fucking ask me.


They eventually wanted to be in control (outside of God's control) and leave God's control.
After constantly going against God's will, he eventually gave up on them and turned his back. He gave them what they wanted.

ok, so because man wanted to be free from Gods control and have their own control (the cheek of it) God gave up on them, ... so now we are all fucked because we have our freedom and are lousy at it without the mighty god who created us... so we can only be ok if we obey Christ's rules and live by his judgement.... and that's the way back to freedom ..

Oh PLEASE!!

he gave them what they wanted but he also added a lake of fire and the risk of eternal damnation.. he has not given them what they wanted at all... he has simply told them these are the rules... follow them and be ok don't follow them and you will burn in hell....

what was the alternative... ahh to not even have the choice to follow them or not....

that was written to fool people around 1000-2000 years ago man!!


According to the Bible, God has no control over earthly events

Not true... Jesus Christ who was born from a virgin was an earthly Event for a start.... and I could go on.

. The people that really believe in Christ will receive paradise and the doubters will suffer in hell. This is what I got out of it but I can't go any deeper.
Yes I have manage to get that bit out of it, its that fear driven bullshit that have oppressed so many over the years.


Christians will be able to go into greater detail.
Oh Im sure they could.... but only the kind where you have to see the Holy Spirit to see it.... even though it effects us all... I guess you just have to blindly submit to it and have faith :rolleyes:

[twistedconcept]

Ok, listning with all my trust.


and then we got amnesure?... so much for individualism and free will, he didn't fucking ask me.



ok, so because man wanted to be free from Gods control and have their own control (the cheek of it) God gave up on them, ... so now we are all fucked because we have our freedom and are lousy at it without the mighty god who created us... so we can only be ok if we obey Christ's rules and live by his judgement.... and that's the way back to freedom ..

Oh PLEASE!!

he gave them what they wanted but he also added a lake of fire and the risk of eternal damnation.. he has not given them what they wanted at all... he has simply told them these are the rules... follow them and be ok don't follow them and you will burn in hell....

what was the alternative... ahh to not even have the choice to follow them or not....

that was written to fool people around 1000-2000 years ago man!!



Not true... Jesus Christ who was born from a virgin was an earthly Event for a start.... and I could go on.


Yes I have manage to get that bit out of it, its that fear driven bullshit that have oppressed so many over the years.


Oh Im sure they could.... but only the kind where you have to see the Holy Spirit to see it.... even though it effects us all... I guess you just have to blindly submit to it and have faith :rolleyes:

Basically. You're suffering for the sins of others. It also doesn't matter if you're the nicest person in the world; if you disregard the existence of God, you'll go to hell.

I don't agree with a lot of aspects of the Bible but I also don't dismiss it completely. There could be a large amount of truth in it. It may have been distorted.

[armoured_amazon]

Oh Im sure they could.... but only the kind where you have to see the Holy Spirit to see it.... even though it effects us all... I guess you just have to...submit to it and have faith

That's right!!!

[ashanti_kingdom]

I was hoping to encourage all of the Christians out there to take some time out of your day to read your Bibles! So often we get caught up in what's going on in the world, that we grow stagnant in our Christian walk. There is nothing in this world that comes close when compared to being in a right relationship with God, and no amount of news involving world events should distract us from our primary focus.

I'm sure many of you will think this suggestion is cowardly, but let me make something clear. The second a person repents of their sins, putting their trust in Jesus Christ to be their Savior, your priorities should change drastically. As Christians we are instructed to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to others, and there is NOTHING more important than doing this very thing. Some may argue that there are many lives at stake when it comes to political "conspiracies", (Which we should oppose) but keep in mind that a persons eternal soul if FAR more important than the insignificant amount of time they are living on this earth. Don't get me wrong, we should be observant to the systems and powers that are in place, doing what is right in Gods eyes regarding who we should support, (Politically) but these issues should always be a Christians second priority. The Bible instructs us to study the Word of God so that we may be approved unto Him ... so I just pray you will keep God in the driver seat of your life where He belongs. (God should be second to NO ONE)

(Although comments are more than welcome, keep in mind that this post is intended for Christians. Any anti-Christian comments hoping to start a debate will be ignored)
What a refreshimg post.

thanks for the encouragement brother.

[thirdwave]

Basically. You're suffering for the sins of others. It also doesn't matter if you're the nicest person in the world; if you disregard the existence of God, you'll go to hell.

sounds awesome... the road to freedom :eek:

I don't agree with a lot of aspects of the Bible but I also don't dismiss it completely. There could be a large amount of truth in it. It may have been distorted.

Dismiss it is a vague thing really?... what do you mean?..

you either belive that it is the truth and Jesus christ is the messiah....or god... or you dont belive its the truth.... if you think there is truth within it but it has been fucked with, then what do you sugest? just guess what parts you think are truth and base you life on those parts?

Im not sure what you are defending if you do not buy into it your self?

people are free to have what ever view they like, what parts of the bible do you feel are true... and why?


That's right!!!

:eek: ... I will pass thanks.

http://fun.varadinum.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/blind-man.jpg

[thirdwave]

now here are some liborating quotes much better than that filth in the bible


"With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he
hangs upon the cross.

"I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed and blind him.

"With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and
the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.

"Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.

"Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake
let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!"

(Crowley - Liber AL).



You have to feel the holy spirit to really get your head around this stuff ;)

Im gona go play some loud guitar now I think !

[twistedconcept]

sounds awesome... the road to freedom :eek:



Dismiss it is a vague thing really?... what do you mean?..

you either belive that it is the truth and Jesus christ is the messiah....or god... or you dont belive its the truth.... if you think there is truth within it but it has been fucked with, then what do you sugest? just guess what parts you think are truth and base you life on those parts?

Im not sure what you are defending if you do not buy into it your self?

people are free to have what ever view they like, what parts of the bible do you feel are true... and why?




:eek: ... I will pass thanks.

http://fun.varadinum.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/blind-man.jpg

I believe that there are some good messages in the Bible, such as 'do not trust in man', 'beware of false prophets' and the like. You don't need to read the Bible to understand these concepts but it's a practical message.

I believe that the Bible may have been distorted, as the elite clearly worship something. It could be bollocks and reptilians could be in control. I have no idea. I don't doubt the possibility of anything. I believe in a higher power (not necessarily the Bible).

[thirdwave]

I believe that there are some good messages in the Bible, such as 'do not trust in man', 'beware of false prophets' and the like. You don't need to read the Bible to understand these concepts but it's a practical message.


your free not to trust in man, I find that a very negative statement. I am a man and I trust my self.

I believe that the Bible may have been distorted, as the elite clearly worship something.
fare enough but again its all vague and based on what you want to believe which hay, is fine!.. if you believe the bible has been distorted then research WHEN it has... and what was their before the distortion, that's all im saying.

I agree there are very likely to be some texts taken and put in the bible that have come from truth but they are nothing to do with Christianity... which is why the other books where burnt and not included in the bible because they did not fit the plan and would have upset the creation of the Jesus story.


It could be bollocks and reptilians could be in control. I have no idea.
Well why would you think religion would be the only institution where they have not been a figure head in?

when has religion ever liberated us?

Im not claiming I know what the bible is or what god is but as Maxwell says, I sure as hell know what it isnt!


I don't doubt the possibility of anything. I believe in a higher power (not necessarily the Bible).
I dont see it as a "higher power" to me that sounds like people who want to pass the buck... I think in a sense there is a higher power in that there is somthing we are not consious too....

But I dont think it is a separat power... the power is within our sevles and we are the creators... if we create hell then that's where we go... if we create heaven then that's where we go.... we cant get away from what we create...

i guess a way of explaining my view is we are all segments of god, but we have amnisure and are getting our memory back bit by bit...

it is clear in the past wise people (maybe ETEs) have tried to keep the masses in the mind set that they are not in control... they are not the creators but they are the servants of a higher god who are there to serve it and to follow its dogma... obviously over the years as man has gained more and more of his memory he does not fall for the tricks so much.... although many still cling to it and the bottom line its like a child who refuses to get on the bike a ride because god says they will fall off.... ok fine, its not my business they can walk if they like and never ride a bike... but i like to think others will be able to get the info that they wont always fall off the bike and they might actually be great and riding it and be bale to go to allot more places and see lots more ....and get their memory back quicker.

[oiram]

Here is gods way & your destiny!
Is this not the way it is every day, every month, every year?
So why is everyone searching for the wrong problems!Judaism and the Talmud (the first violation from which all others flow) (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews.htm)
Part 1: Introduction and Judaism (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews.htm)
Murder (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews2.htm)
Lies (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews3.htm)
Stealing (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews4.htm)
Race mixing (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews5.htm)
Whenever a thief steals something, the victim feels a sense of being violated. I don't know of too many people who enjoy having something belonging to them being taken from them. The God I believe in says it's a violation to take something that doesn't belong to you. "Thou shalt not steal" (Ex. 20:15). Whereas, in contradistinction, the jewish ethic or criminal code of the Talmud says, "All property of other nations belongs to the jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general" Schalchan arach Choszen Hasispat 348; "Christian property belongs to the first Jew claiming it" Babha Bathra 54b; "Keep any overpayment Christians make in error" Choschen Ham 193, 7; "What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep" Sanhedrin 57a; "If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile it does not have to be returned" Baba Mezia 24a.

The Talmud teaches that non-jews have no property rights. Their possessions are "Like unclaimed land in the desert." The jewish code for stealing is: milk the gentiles, but don't get caught in such a way as to jeopardize jewish interests. Jews do not preoccupy themselves with shoplifting bubblegum. What then, do they want that doesn't belong to them? In a word…. everything: all the tangible assets of the world. But "if any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him" (I John 2:15-16). All the evil that comprises this worldliness is: the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, which translates into motives to steal i.e. greed, ambition and desires.

Like the Big Lie, we have the Big Steal. If we have a religion of owning the world via institutionalized larceny, there can be no hope of Redemption. According to the ancient laws of the God of Israel, which still apply today, restitution was a means for a thief to restore to his victim at least double what he stole (Ex. 22:9). Whoever does not hearken unto the commandments of God shall be put to death (Joshua 1:18). Surely God's justice will not miss the robbery of the world by the children of the Babylonian Talmud. Indeed, judgment is to be executed upon the great Babylon in Rev. 18:6, "Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled, fill to her double."

Logic tells us that if the jewish merchants of the earth have stolen most of the gold, silver and precious stones, that it would be impossible for them to pay twice that amount in restitution. Moreover, it is not just the accumulation of precious metals, but the untold loss of life from the world's greediest of destroyers, a loss that can never be repaid. The mysterious truth unfolds in Revelation 18:24 with the practitioners of Babylonian traditions found guilty of "the blood of the prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

How could such a monumental indictment attach itself to any given people? "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of satan, which say they are jews, and are not, but do lie" (Rev. 3:9). The word "jews" in this verse explicitly points to Judahites or kinsmen belonging to the tribe of Judah. The word "jew", as used today, is the prism through which identity theft radiates as an angel of light (II Cor. 11:14).

How many Christians have been informed of these proud self-admitted identity thieves? Jewish writer Dr. Oscar Levy brags, "And are not they [today's jews] the inventors of the Chosen People myth?" The epic hypocrisy is candidly confessed in the tongue-in-cheek anomalous chapter entitled "Identity Crisis" in the 1980 Jewish Encyclopedia which states, "Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite' or a 'Hebrew'. However, talmudically speaking in tongues of unrestricted lawyerese, it is politically and economically expedient to call the country that is being stolen from the indigenous peoples by the ancient name of Israel. The audacious claim to ownership of the name of Israel by jews is merely that, the audacity of thieves. They never could have proceeded to confiscate the land of Palestine without first seizing the identity of the rightful heirs of the promises of God.

Even more preposterous of the one step of jewry impersonating the tribe of Judah is the giant leap of Ashkenazi jews assuming the entire 12 tribes of Israel. Nothing could be more absurd than allowing the thief to steal with impunity. But how often do we hear of a burglar entering a home and being shot by the owner, only to be prosecuted by jewish justice in the courts of the jew? Does the fact that so many law enforcement officers wear a six-pointed star for a badge, give you a clue?

The organized crime of jewry within government, is what Frederic Bastiat termed in his book "The Law" as "legalized plunder". It's the anti-Christian philosophy of one group of people prospering at the expense of others. The annals of history bear witness to the truth of the unscrupulous jewish practice of getting something for nothing. The Christian work ethic is alien to the jew. This process of honest labor is the origin of property. Dishonestly consuming the fruits of someone else's labor is the origin of plunder. People are inclined to avoid pain and since labor is basically pain, some people resort to stealing when it's easier than working.

God's justice protects property and punishes theft. The jewish criminal justice growth industry system leaves property unprotected and rewards the ethics of plunder. The stealing will stop only when the parasite has picked the meat from the bone or to be convinced that such activity is dangerous to its health.

Jewish life in Germany, prior to 1933, was an orgy of parasitic feastings upon the host nation. The plunder was checked with labor camps, which after the war were renamed 'death camps'. Which begs the question: would jews rather be caught dead than working? Ironically, the inscription over the gate to Camp Auschwitz "ARBEIT MACHT FREI" means "work will set us free". Following the war, the jew thought this meant free reparations for as long as there is meat on the bone. We'll see later in this treatise how the Holocaust industry has blossomed and continues to plunder property based on the protocols of 'the spoils of war' or legalized victimization. They can even get away with it for awhile by demonizing any and all opposition. But that will eventually fade and be replaced with raw tyranny (if we do nothing to stop it).

We're not talking about petty car-jackings. Jews are engaged in nation-jackings. Elections are being stolen literally by votescam. We are being robbed by the majority of republicrat politicians that take the AIPAC bribe. Special interest groups, if they have the jewish seal of approval, get millions of dollars in handouts from rampant corruption in government. In fact, our collective nose is being rubbed in all the glorified sin and corruption by jews who specialize in glamorizing such things. Our children's innocence has not been lost, it has been stolen by design. Subsequently, we are lost sheep, ripe for easy pickings, because we no longer have the family values of loving our own Christian ethics or hating the alien ethics of Judaism's strange gods.

Some people will not understand the intent of these messages and will misconstrue it as just another obsessive dissident malcontent venting his anger on the poor jew. That is not my point, although rape and pillage are symptoms in our society. We should look at cause just as much as effect. After all, who has given America to the robbers and spoilers? The prophet Isaiah asked a similar question to our ancestors as well as speaking to us today: "Who among you will giver ear to this? Who will hearken and hear for the time to come? Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? Did not the Lord, He against whom we have sinned? For they would not walk in His ways, nor were they obedient unto His law" (Is. 42:24). In other words, White people are going to get ripped off as long as they turn from Jesus Christ for their deliverance.

The spiritual apostasy which abounds today is a reflection of the failure to identify the causes which turns us away from God. Where is the true grit of White Christian men to stand up and say "Let God be true and every man a liar." Why should you listen to the man who says "God will bless them that bless the jew" when all you get is legalized plunder? Why is it so difficult for people to understand that if you bless the jew, you will get cursed? We are being spoiled by those who, through their deceit, have convinced our people that it is not necessary to honor and obey the laws of God Almighty, but rather to conform to a world run by jews. Each person must ask themselves if they want to live in a world where the standard is 'thou shalt steal' or put in occult satanic terms of the jewish kabalah "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

The cause of 'doing whatever you can get away with' has the reciprocal effect of random victimization, degeneracy and chaos, whereas, Christianity offers justice (i.e. 'thou shalt not steal' and if you do, you're going to be punished accordingly). It brings law and order that the jew can only mock, because he cannot subsist in such an environment. There won't be any thieves in the Kingdom of Heaven. "The Kingdom of Heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force" (Mt. 11:12). "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, not idolater, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the Kingdom of God" (I Cor. 6:9-10).

Thieves and robbers, by nature, are usually violent by violating someone's person or property. Likewise, they are the greatest of hypocrites in not wanting themselves violated. No Christian should be surprised at the way Christ addressed these Pharisees/hypocrites/thieves/jews. Jesus admonished His students that they must not call each other Rabbi or Master, because Christ alone is our Teacher (Mt. 23:8, 10). The Lord said, "Woe to you… hypocrites! Because you lock up the Kingdom of Heaven in the face of mankind; while you yourselves neither enter, nor allow those arriving to go in" (Mt. 23:13 FF).

Christian Identity author Eli James, in his book "The Great Impersonation" said, "There is no other way of describing a rabbi except as the composite hypocrite: one who believes privately numerous things which he either publicly denies or will not admit to for fear of being exposed as a liar." However, this generation of viper's caution is superceded with the haughty arrogance of prostituting their faith for gain, a religion that deliberately debases itself for the love of mammon. An amoral hypocrisy is the essence of jewish strategy, the weapon of choice to judaize Christian theology, because wherever they go to make one proselyte, the convert (judeo-Christian) becomes twice the child of hell than the jew!

The judeo-Christian is double minded in support of jewish dual-citizenship and an accessory before and after the fact. The fact is jews steal and they steal without the slightest compunction of remorse or wrongdoing. There is no excuse or reason for anybody who calls themselves Christian to hate the theft, but to love the thief. This is the religious hypocrisy that shall reap the damnation that it sows. "Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord? Therefore is wrath upon thee from before the Lord" (II Chron. 19:2).

"Prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of My people" (Is. 57:14). The four major elements as to why we hate jews have now cleared the path so that our people will not trip and fall when discussing the prevarications from our divine destiny and the future of jews. We will now proceed to inspect the 25 other elements which warrant an immediate quarantine of jews from the rest of the world.
http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews4.htm

The teachings of the Talmud are the words of the living Jewish god. He who breaks the laws of the Talmud deserves death. You should think about that throughout your whole life. If you always follow the Talmud laws diligently, you will join our biblical fathers in the Jewish heaven. Amen!"

Murder, thievery, and lies
Robbery, perjury, and cheating
These are all permitted for the Jews,
As every Jewish child knows.

In the Talmud it is written,
What Jews hate and what they love,
What Jews think and how they live,
All is ordained by the Talmud. http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/story5.htm "Unless they oppose it, they will be blamed for it. If they defend it, they are part of it."

[thirdwave]

Here is gods way & your destiny!
Is this not the way it is every day, every month, every year?
So why is everyone searching for the wrong problems!Judaism and the Talmud (the first violation from which all others flow) (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews.htm)
Part 1: Introduction and Judaism (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews.htm)
Murder (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews2.htm)
Lies (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews3.htm)
Stealing (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews4.htm)
Race mixing (http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews5.htm)"Unless they oppose it, they will be blamed for it. If they defend it, they are part of it."





dividing religions and pointing the finger at one movement requires the same ignorance that most of the religious people have... they are all the same, all do the same thing in different guises.... and in most cases all say the same thing and are often connected much like Judaism and Christianity.

[twistedconcept]

your free not to trust in man, I find that a very negative statement. I am a man and I trust my self.


fare enough but again its all vague and based on what you want to believe which hay, is fine!.. if you believe the bible has been distorted then research WHEN it has... and what was their before the distortion, that's all im saying.

I agree there are very likely to be some texts taken and put in the bible that have come from truth but they are nothing to do with Christianity... which is why the other books where burnt and not included in the bible because they did not fit the plan and would have upset the creation of the Jesus story.


Well why would you think religion would be the only institution where they have not been a figure head in?

when has religion ever liberated us?

Im not claiming I know what the bible is or what god is but as Maxwell says, I sure as hell know what it isnt!


I dont see it as a "higher power" to me that sounds like people who want to pass the buck... I think in a sense there is a higher power in that there is somthing we are not consious too....

But I dont think it is a separat power... the power is within our sevles and we are the creators... if we create hell then that's where we go... if we create heaven then that's where we go.... we cant get away from what we create...

i guess a way of explaining my view is we are all segments of god, but we have amnisure and are getting our memory back bit by bit...

it is clear in the past wise people (maybe ETEs) have tried to keep the masses in the mind set that they are not in control... they are not the creators but they are the servants of a higher god who are there to serve it and to follow its dogma... obviously over the years as man has gained more and more of his memory he does not fall for the tricks so much.... although many still cling to it and the bottom line its like a child who refuses to get on the bike a ride because god says they will fall off.... ok fine, its not my business they can walk if they like and never ride a bike... but i like to think others will be able to get the info that they wont always fall off the bike and they might actually be great and riding it and be bale to go to allot more places and see lots more ....and get their memory back quicker.

I don't find it negative. I've been fucked over numerous times in my life. I don't trust anybody, especially when money is involved. Most people are false.

[jayelowell]

I don't find it negative. I've been fucked over numerous times in my man. I don't trust anybody, especially when money is involved. Most people are false.seem like you have a twisted concept about this all! learn to let go!

[oiram]

dividing religions and pointing the finger at one movement requires the same ignorance that most of the religious people have... they are all the same, all do the same thing in different guises.... and in most cases all say the same thing and are often connected much like Judaism and Christianity.OK perfect lets abolish devision by abolishing all bogus religions!
Lets abolish divorcing by not ever getting married.
One wrong don't makes another wrong right. "Except of cause in Evil land"
Lets implement Honesty & truthfulness to stop all manipulation & lies.
Suits me to the " T "

[thirdwave]

I don't find it negative. I've been fucked over numerous times in my man. I don't trust anybody, especially when money is involved. Most people are false.

well god has also made a mistake as you have pointed out but you have not brushed him off...

are all man like hitler? .. no.

[thirdwave]

OK perfect lets abolish devision by abolishing all bogus religions!
Lets abolish divorcing by not ever getting married.
One wrong don't make one right.
Suits me to the " T "

all religion creates division.

[twistedconcept]

seem like you have a twisted concept about this all! learn to let go!

I have let it go. I no longer trust people easily. Most people are fooled very easily. Look at the reaction to Obama.

[twistedconcept]

well god has also made a mistake as you have pointed out but you have not brushed him off...

are all man like hitler? .. no.

What do you mean? You obviously haven't been reading my posts.

Also, I didn't state that people are like Hitler. I can have a laugh with most people but I wouldn't trust them, especially when money is involved. Most people would likely sell their soul.

[thirdwave]

I have let it go. I no longer trust people easily. Most people are fooled very easily. Look at the reaction to Obama.

so you agree with god saying dont trust man, because you have seen many men are shit heads?


well the question is .... how did god bring these shit heads about?

its ok for him to create shit heads and then blame it on the shit heads??

is he the creator here or not? ..if not then does that not mean we are also gods?

[twistedconcept]

all religion creates division.

It's easy to place the blame on religion. It's people who are to blame.

People caused the wars, not religion.

[twistedconcept]

so you agree with god saying dont trust man, because you have seen many men are shit heads?


well the question is .... how did god bring these shit heads about?

its ok for him to create shit heads and then blame it on the shit heads??

is he the creator here or not? ..if not then does that not mean we are also gods?

No.

God created everything perfect. Man turned his back. The Devil is in control. That's basically the message of the Bible.

[thirdwave]

No.

God created everything perfect. Man turned his back. The Devil is in control. That's basically the message of the Bible.

so his perfect man done something wrong by being tricked by the bible...

does perfect not mean you can do no wrong?

[twistedconcept]

so his perfect man done something wrong by being tricked by the bible...

does perfect not mean you can do no wrong?

No. God created man perfect and said that he can have everything he wants, providing he didn't eat from the tree of sin. The serpent convinced him to do so, creating sin and destroying man's perfection.

Have you read the Bible? I'm sure knowledgeable Christians will be able to explain better than me.

[thirdwave]

No. God created man perfect and said that he can have everything he wants, providing he didn't eat from the tree of sin. The serpent convinced him to do so, creating sin and destroying man's perfection.

Have you read the Bible? I'm sure knowledgeable Christians will be able to explain better than me.

did man make a mistake or did he not make a mistake?

and there is no such thing as a knowledgeable Christian.

[twistedconcept]

did man make a mistake or did he not make a mistake?

Obviously so. He was given the choice of everything to eat but was warned not to eat from that specific tree.

[twistedconcept]

did man make a mistake or did he not make a mistake?

and there is no such thing as a knowledgeable Christian.

There is. People who have read the Bible and studied it.

[thirdwave]

Obviously so. He was given the choice of everything to eat but was warned not to eat from that specific tree.

well then man was not made to be perfect.

[thirdwave]

There is. People who have read the Bible and studied it.

ahh ok :cool:

[twistedconcept]

well then man was not made to be perfect.

Man was given free will. According to my dad, the Bible doesn't state that man was perfect. He stated that God saw his creation as good (not perfect). He gave them a warning not to eat from that specific tree but they chose to ignore him, creating original sin.

I don't know. I haven't read the Bible for ages. People who've studied the Bible will be able to give you a better description.

[twistedconcept]

ahh ok :cool:

Yep.

[oiram]

all religion creates division.
I fully agree with you there was no double meaning in my comment that's why I made my point!
I only posted the article to wake up the ones which are dense to see reality!

[stfd]

To everyone trying to explain and be resonable to mr. thirdwave here...
It is impossible to even humanly communicate with someone who so stubornly and offensively rejects and doesnt even atempt to consider simple concepts like - cause a war -->blame on 'religion' -->expect mass adverse reaction to religion--> which results in great division and mass delusion.

Simple things like that mr. thirdwave that perhaps you would like to consider would surely increase your already vast knowledge.
Or maybe not , maybe you would prefer going back to youre prefered convenient stance of denial and total rejection...

good luck

[jayelowell]

all religion creates division.all religions were divided!

[jayelowell]

Would anybody like to do some Bible studies with me?
I would like to go through the book with some christians and anbody else who is intrested. Just give me the word and I will begin...

[armoured_amazon]

Would anybody like to do some Bible studies with me?
I would like to go through the book with some christians and anbody else who is intrested. Just give me the word and I will begin...

I would but I think you'd be better setting up a user group/facebook/myspace etc unless you want it to descend into a riot.

:D

[jayelowell]

I would but I think you'd be better setting up a user group/facebook/myspace etc unless you want it to descend into a riot.

:DI do not want to isolate the teachings. It may cause a riot within the christian community but I doubt that it will last long.:D

[jayelowell]

I shall begin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ros5dm19_sE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLIjstzDAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPGtkIu9Wkc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o9A5f_g6To

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lrMMNqw8sg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFr8JvEFCvM

[armoured_amazon]

I do not want to isolate the teachings. It may cause a riot within the christian community but I doubt that it will last long.:D

Not talkin' about them :D

[amethyst]

I shall begin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ros5dm19_sE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLIjstzDAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPGtkIu9Wkc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o9A5f_g6To

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lrMMNqw8sg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFr8JvEFCvM

I bet if JESUS came back to earth bodily right now, that MANY would not recognize if He was a Christian (Him being the CHRIST)

BECAUSE He looks NOTHING like today's ORGANIZED RELIGION.

[eternal_spirit]

Obviously so. He was given the choice of everything to eat but was warned not to eat from that specific tree.

And why would God put a poisonous tree in the Garden in the first place?

Bit of a silly billy wasn't he.

[armoured_amazon]

And why would God put a poisonous tree in the Garden in the first place?

Bit of a silly billy wasn't he.

Free will.

[talulah]

I was hoping to encourage all of the Christians out there to take some time out of your day to read your Bibles! So often we get caught up in what's going on in the world, that we grow stagnant in our Christian walk. There is nothing in this world that comes close when compared to being in a right relationship with God, and no amount of news involving world events should distract us from our primary focus.

I'm sure many of you will think this suggestion is cowardly, but let me make something clear. The second a person repents of their sins, putting their trust in Jesus Christ to be their Savior, your priorities should change drastically. As Christians we are instructed to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to others, and there is NOTHING more important than doing this very thing. Some may argue that there are many lives at stake when it comes to political "conspiracies", (Which we should oppose) but keep in mind that a persons eternal soul if FAR more important than the insignificant amount of time they are living on this earth. Don't get me wrong, we should be observant to the systems and powers that are in place, doing what is right in Gods eyes regarding who we should support, (Politically) but these issues should always be a Christians second priority. The Bible instructs us to study the Word of God so that we may be approved unto Him ... so I just pray you will keep God in the driver seat of your life where He belongs. (God should be second to NO ONE)

(Although comments are more than welcome, keep in mind that this post is intended for Christians. Any anti-Christian comments hoping to start a debate will be ignored)

Should only christians read the bible?I myself have only read revelation and i believe thats what is writtten there is happening now.Im not gonna pretend im educated in the teachings of the bible.But i know one thing if you ask the majority of young people today what they think churches are about,they will tell you they are run by so called christian/catholic men of god who are peados.REVELATION:IN THE END OF DAYS RIGHT BECOMES WRONG AND WRONG BECOMES RIGHT.

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by seekingthetruth http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=595262#post595262)
I was hoping to encourage all of the Christians out there to take some time out of your day to read your Bibles! So often we get caught up in what's going on in the world, that we grow stagnant in our Christian walk. There is nothing in this world that comes close when compared to being in a right relationship with God, and no amount of news involving world events should distract us from our primary focus.

I'm sure many of you will think this suggestion is cowardly, but let me make something clear. The second a person repents of their sins, putting their trust in Jesus Christ to be their Savior, your priorities should change drastically. As Christians we are instructed to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to others, and there is NOTHING more important than doing this very thing. Some may argue that there are many lives at stake when it comes to political "conspiracies", (Which we should oppose) but keep in mind that a persons eternal soul if FAR more important than the insignificant amount of time they are living on this earth. Don't get me wrong, we should be observant to the systems and powers that are in place, doing what is right in Gods eyes regarding who we should support, (Politically) but these issues should always be a Christians second priority. The Bible instructs us to study the Word of God so that we may be approved unto Him ... so I just pray you will keep God in the driver seat of your life where He belongs. (God should be second to NO ONE)

(Although comments are more than welcome, keep in mind that this post is intended for Christians. Any anti-Christian comments hoping to start a debate will be ignored)

Good luck sure some will get happy.

It's not reader friendly, the lingo is a bit outdated even though it's written in English much of it don't make sense.



But I'm in the drivers seat. If God's so great he don't need a ride.

[talulah]

Quote:
Originally Posted by seekingthetruth http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=595262#post595262)
I was hoping to encourage all of the Christians out there to take some time out of your day to read your Bibles! So often we get caught up in what's going on in the world, that we grow stagnant in our Christian walk. There is nothing in this world that comes close when compared to being in a right relationship with God, and no amount of news involving world events should distract us from our primary focus.

I'm sure many of you will think this suggestion is cowardly, but let me make something clear. The second a person repents of their sins, putting their trust in Jesus Christ to be their Savior, your priorities should change drastically. As Christians we are instructed to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to others, and there is NOTHING more important than doing this very thing. Some may argue that there are many lives at stake when it comes to political "conspiracies", (Which we should oppose) but keep in mind that a persons eternal soul if FAR more important than the insignificant amount of time they are living on this earth. Don't get me wrong, we should be observant to the systems and powers that are in place, doing what is right in Gods eyes regarding who we should support, (Politically) but these issues should always be a Christians second priority. The Bible instructs us to study the Word of God so that we may be approved unto Him ... so I just pray you will keep God in the driver seat of your life where He belongs. (God should be second to NO ONE)

(Although comments are more than welcome, keep in mind that this post is intended for Christians. Any anti-Christian comments hoping to start a debate will be ignored)

Good luck sure some will get happy.

It's not reader friendly, the lingo is a bit outdated even though it's written in English much of it don't make sense.



But I'm in the drivers seat. If God's so great he don't need a ride.



I am not anti christian in anyway however i know that jesus excepts everyone.And we are all sinners wether we like to admit it or not.jesus knows my sins and when the time comes il have no problem bowing down and repenting.But i also know jesus loves everyone not just christians.

[thirdwave]

all religions were divided!

well if that's true, then they are no use any more.

[thirdwave]

Free will.

Free will?

do you know what free will means?

how can man be given free will if his options are do as god says and go to heaven ... or not do as he says a burn in hell?

is that not like saying a sheep is free and has the choice to stay in the pen ... or leave it and get shot by the farmer?

its not free will one little bit, its freedom while being at gun point.

[thirdwave]

I am not anti christian in anyway however i know that jesus excepts everyone.And we are all sinners wether we like to admit it or not.jesus knows my sins and when the time comes il have no problem bowing down and repenting.But i also know jesus loves everyone not just christians.

he does not love Satan....

[talulah]

he does not love Satan....

Yeah but he did at one time according to the bible before satan became a fallen angel.And No im not into Satan.

[armoured_amazon]

he does not love Satan....

Of course He does.

[tjohn]

God created everything perfect. Man turned his back. The Devil is in control. That's basically the message of the Bible.And that contradicts itself.

[thirdwave]

Not talkin' about them :D

she says with her Bible texts in the icke forum :)... must be looking for a holiday!

at least I can admit I come here to argue.

[armoured_amazon]

she says with her Bible texts in the icke forum :)... must be looking for a holiday!

at least I can admit I come here to argue.

I was talking about people like you, not the Christian members. :)

[thirdwave]

I was talking about people like you, not the Christian members. :)

I know!, thats what I commented on :D

[armoured_amazon]

i know!, thats what i commented on :d

lol ;)

[stfd]

And why would God put a poisonous tree in the Garden in the first place?

Bit of a silly billy wasn't he.

It is not that God would , on purpouse, lay a trap for the man , so he can then punish him.He placed ALL the trees there , available, in order to provide all the possible options. And that my fried IS freedom, the freedom to make your choice, unquestionable freedom. If God would have never placed the " tree of life and death and of knowledge' in the garden of Eden than it would imply that God already knew that man is weak and therefore guided him on a predetermined path. That , is not the case as God offered man with the option to CHOOSE, to let his mind free , and THINK for himself. God did NOT make choices for the man as that isn't freedom but dictatorship, which again isn't the case.

thanks

[thirdwave]

It is not that God would , on purpouse, lay a trap for the man , so he can then punish him.He placed ALL the trees there , available, in order to provide all the possible options. And that my fried IS freedom, the freedom to make your choice, unquestionable freedom. If God would have never placed the " tree of life and death and of knowledge' in the garden of Eden than it would imply that God already knew that man is weak and therefore guided him on a predetermined path. That , is not the case as God offered man with the option to CHOOSE, to let his mind free , and THINK for himself. God did NOT make choices for the man as that isn't freedom but dictatorship, which again isn't the case.

thanks

only there is one small thing you are forgetting.... he set some boobie traps knowing full well the conciquences.

it is then reviled that if we dont follow his rules we will burn in hell..

please explain to me how you see that as Freedom?

We are free to either do what god says and go to heaven.... or we are free to not, and burn in hell....

please let me know how this is freedom?, because to be it just sounds like some sick twisted logic of freedom....

the idea of freedom is you can create.... you are free to create what you want and to experience what you want.... if you are sent to Hell for doing something god does not like... then where does this offer freedom?

how can we be free if there are only two paths we are given?

[armoured_amazon]

Would you prefer that choice had never existed?

[thirdwave]

Would you prefer that choice had never existed?


what? you mean that instead of threatening me with a lake of fire, just to use a set of chains and force me to worship him?

I guess chains are better than burning alive forever, so yeah, why bother?, I think if your gona give someone a choice at least make it with while.

the one thing I can honestly say I like about this "satan" guy the bible goes on about.... is that he shows up all of Gods mistakes and I think that really pisses God off.

[armoured_amazon]

what? you mean that instead of threatening me with a lake of fire, just to use a set of chains and force me to worship him?

I guess chains are better than burning alive forever, so yeah, why bother?, I think if your gona give someone a choice at least make it with while.

the one thing I can honestly say I like about this "satan" guy the bible goes on about.... is that he shows up all of Gods mistakes and I think that really pisses God off.

Threatening you with a lake of fire, lmfao.

Would you prefer that humans had no choices in life over their conduct? No decisions? No 'right' and 'wrong'? Rape and murder would not be classed as 'wrong'? Kindness and empathy would not be classed as 'right'?

[stfd]

only there is one small thing you are forgetting.... he set some boobie traps knowing full well the conciquences.

it is then reviled that if we dont follow his rules we will burn in hell..

please explain to me how you see that as Freedom?

We are free to either do what god says and go to heaven.... or we are free to not, and burn in hell....

please let me know how this is freedom?, because to be it just sounds like some sick twisted logic of freedom....

the idea of freedom is you can create.... you are free to create what you want and to experience what you want.... if you are sent to Hell for doing something god does not like... then where does this offer freedom?

how can we be free if there are only two paths we are given?

First of all God does NOT know in advance which road we will be choosing, just as he didnt know in advance that Adam and Eve would actually eat the apple. He only knows what would the circumstances be after we had already made our choices. If god would know in advance what is the fate of this world , planets , etc etc than that would mean our lives are pointlesly spen trying to achieve the impossible-now that isnt the case buddy. Life is a constant struggle , especially with ourselfes. A constant 'fight'. Nothing is predetermined , we have been given TOTaL control over our own outcome. However WE have given that away in time (as it is very VERY visible today - just look arround).

" We are free to either do what god says and go to heaven.... or we are free to not, and burn in hell....

please let me know how this is freedom?, because to be it just sounds like some sick twisted logic of freedom.... "

I dont understand what you don't get, you seem to know the line pretty good. Take for example our buddies behind the NWO : you either take the chip(which you will be able to buy food) or you wont take it and see your children starve to death; tough choice eh ?
Yup, but it IS a choice. ONE that YOU are free to make for yourself. Oh wait you would actually want God to make the decission for you , so you can then have someone/something to blame ... ok i get it. So yea look arround , we DO let others make choices for us every day which sucks.
And then how would you have it? what is your definition of justice? Bomb the crap outa Irak because Sadam has wmd's ? oh wait there weren't any ! but opps we already hanged the guy and killed another 300k innocent people on the way OOOOPS ! wtf dude is THAT justice ?


"ow can we be free if there are only two paths we are given? "
There are ALWAYS only two possible paths - especially-for issues of great importance.
For example:(on a large scale) You pick up your arms , start a war onto someone else , burn his country to the ground , exterminate the population there and steal their wealth OR NOT. That's it ! No middle path got it ?
You can 'sort of' invade an kill just 10% of them and steal 20% of their wealth and be called an OK person. You cant choose between Mc CAin and Obama , then elect Obama be cause he's a so called 'lesser evil' and call that a good choice. No buddy - THEY ARE BOTH BAD !
Now on smaller scale - You either choose to walk the streets at night and be a rapist for example OR not. You cant partially be a rapist and expect people to like because you arent raping as much as others or whatever.

Remember, what you do every day, the choices you make, make you a good man - or not; there isnt a so-so.
Stop acting like a victim and take life by the horns, talke responsibility , trully be your own judge.... good luck.

[armoured_amazon]

First of all God does NOT know in advance which road we will be choosing, just as he didnt know in advance that Adam and Eve would actually eat the apple. He only knows what would the circumstances be after we had already made our choices. If god would know in advance what is the fate of this world , planets , etc etc than that would mean our lives are pointlesly spen trying to achieve the impossible-now that isnt the case buddy. Life is a constant struggle , especially with ourselfes. A constant 'fight'. Nothing is predetermined , we have been given TOTaL control over our own outcome. However WE have given that away in time (as it is very VERY visible today - just look arround).

God knows everything. To us it's a choice. :)

" We are free to either do what god says and go to heaven.... or we are free to not, and burn in hell....

please let me know how this is freedom?, because to be it just sounds like some sick twisted logic of freedom.... "

I dont understand what you don't get, you seem to know the line pretty good. Take for example our buddies behind the NWO : you either take the chip(which you will be able to buy food) or you wont take it and see your children starve to death; tough choice eh ?
Yup, but it IS a choice. ONE that YOU are free to make for yourself. Oh wait you would actually want God to make the decission for you , so you can then have someone/something to blame ... ok i get it. So yea look arround , we DO let others make choices for us every day which sucks.
And then how would you have it? what is your definition of justice? Bomb the crap outa Irak because Sadam has wmd's ? oh wait there weren't any ! but opps we already hanged the guy and killed another 300k innocent people on the way OOOOPS ! wtf dude is THAT justice ?


"ow can we be free if there are only two paths we are given? "
There are ALWAYS only two possible paths - especially-for issues of great importance.
For example:(on a large scale) You pick up your arms , start a war onto someone else , burn his country to the ground , exterminate the population there and steal their wealth OR NOT. That's it ! No middle path got it ?
You can 'sort of' invade an kill just 10% of them and steal 20% of their wealth and be called an OK person. You cant choose between Mc CAin and Obama , then elect Obama be cause he's a so called 'lesser evil' and call that a good choice. No buddy - THEY ARE BOTH BAD !
Now on smaller scale - You either choose to walk the streets at night and be a rapist for example OR not. You cant partially be a rapist and expect people to like because you arent raping as much as others or whatever.

Remember, what you do every day, the choices you make, make you a good man - or not; there isnt a so-so.
Stop acting like a victim and take life by the horns, talke responsibility , trully be your own judge.... good luck.

*claps*

[stfd]

Threatening you with a lake of fire, lmfao.

Would you prefer that humans had no choices in life over their conduct? No decisions? No 'right' and 'wrong'? Rape and murder would not be classed as 'wrong'? Kindness and empathy would not be classed as 'right'?

Well I prefer choice, choice makes freedom.It was man's fault that he screwed himself up and ate the apple... not god's , he only offered the alternatives THAT is freedom.

[armoured_amazon]

Well I prefer choice, choice makes freedom.It was man's fault that he screwed himself up and ate the apple... not god's , he only offered the alternatives THAT is freedom.

Yup. :)

[thirdwave]

Threatening you with a lake of fire, lmfao.

Would you prefer that humans had no choices in life over their conduct? No decisions? No 'right' and 'wrong'? Rape and murder would not be classed as 'wrong'? Kindness and empathy would not be classed as 'right'?

fire yes, go and have another read of it and don't skip over those bits and you will see what I am talking about.

you are not talking choices.... rape is wrong and we don't need Jesus to tell us that.... murder is wrong and we don't need Jesus to tell us that either...

and we all know what its like to be kind.

these are not the choices the bible gives...

the bible does not tell us if we are not good and kind we will go to hell... it tells us if we do not worship the lord we will go to hell and there are a number of the things the "lord" asks us not to do are not even bad... there is a difference.

it is not asking us to be good, it is asking for our emotional attachment to Jesus Christ.

[stfd]

fire yes, go and have another read of it and don't skip over those bits and you will see what I am talking about.

you are not talking choices.... rape is wrong and we don't need Jesus to tell us that.... murder is wrong and we don't need Jesus to tell us that either...

and we all know what its like to be kind.

these are not the choices the bible gives...

the bible does not tell us if we are not good and kind we will go to hell... it tells us if we do not worship the lord we will go to hell and there are a number of the things the "lord" asks us not to do are not even bad... there is a difference.

it is not asking us to be good, it is asking for our emotional attachment to Jesus Christ.


And what else Oh you enlightened one does the Bible say?
You obviously posses a great deal of knowledge based on which you can argue and argue and argue literally forever.
You probably never,read the Bible.Even if you had(which i highly doubt) you must have looked for pictures, found none , read the first sentence then closed it.
It is not that one needs Jesus to figure out whether killing is good or bad... oh man ... i can't do this anymore - is like smashing my head onto a rock with you...
Sorry dude youre just impossible, if only youd stop being so rejective for 1 min perhaps would still be hope .

Cheers

[thirdwave]

And what else Oh you enlightened one does the Bible say?

What ? lol
Now you think im competing with your lord?? lol
yeah right.
Im not perfect mate, and would not be on this planet if I was....


You obviously posses a great deal of knowledge based on which you can argue and argue and argue literally forever.
You probably never,read the Bible.Even if you had(which i highly doubt) you must have looked for pictures, found none , read the first sentence then closed it.
Yes I have read the bible part by part..... and was read it out during school... not for a long time now and tbh this convo have made me start reading bits again just so I can dig up parts that you guys try to make out are not there.

Its not only about knowledge its about seeing the book for what it is.

You see you can see it for what ever you like, but the problem with you guys is how you bring everyone else into the fold... and how it creates so much judgement on others... even among your selves...all for what?

a belief! ...a faith! .... why do you think others need it to be saved..?

It is not that one needs Jesus to figure out whether killing is good or bad... oh man ... i can't do this anymore - is like smashing my head onto a rock with you...
No, its like realising you already are smashing your head into a rock with me.

and it IS IS IS IS IS about NEEDING Jesus to be good, its what the bible CLEARLY says its what christians DO, and its what you are DOING Now!.


Sorry dude youre just impossible, if only youd stop being so rejective for 1 min perhaps would still be hope .

What????, Why would i not be Rejective?..... I reject Jesus Christ, I have stated that I don't agree with him, I don't think he is right and I don't think he is the messiah.

I have no concern WHAT'S SO EVER about Christianity being viewed for what it is by more and more people....

This does not mean that people do not need to be educated more, no.

But people like David Icke can educate FAR FAR better than a old myth from thousands of years ago created to keep people in in their place.

people need to start growing up, not start doing the Jesus Christ tango!

Can you be a good person with out the bible?..without Jesus Christ?

if so would it not remove allot of unnecessary baggage? ... a bit like a wrestler with long hair..... shave it off!.

[stfd]

What ? lol
Now you think im competing with your lord?? lol
yeah right.
Im not perfect mate, and would not be on this planet if I was....



Yes I have read the bible part by part..... and was read it out during school... not for a long time now and tbh this convo have made me start reading bits again just so I can dig up parts that you guys try to make out are not there.

Its not only about knowledge its about seeing the book for what it is.

You see you can see it for what ever you like, but the problem with you guys is how you bring everyone else into the fold... and how it creates so much judgement on others... even among your selves...all for what?

a belief! ...a faith! .... why do you think others need it to be saved..?


No, its like realising you already are smashing your head into a rock with me.

and it IS IS IS IS IS about NEEDING Jesus to be good, its what the bible CLEARLY says its what christians DO, and its what you are DOING Now!.




What????, Why would i not be Rejective?..... I reject Jesus Christ, I have stated that I don't agree with him, I don't think he is right and I don't think he is the messiah.

I have no concern WHAT'S SO EVER about Christianity being viewed for what it is by more and more people....

This does not mean that people do not need to be educated more, no.

But people like David Icke can educate FAR FAR better than a old myth from thousands of years ago created to keep people in in their place.

people need to start growing up, not start doing the Jesus Christ tango!

Can you be a good person with out the bible?..without Jesus Christ?

if so would it not remove allot of unnecessary baggage? ... a bit like a wrestler with long hair..... shave it off!.


Well, first of all i dont think "others" need to be saved ; i do believe however that we ALL need to be saved, especially from our own stupidity.
Now i never said that you need Jesus to be a good man, that would eliminate muslims and any other non-christian, that would be simply idiotic to say the least.

You better stop putting words in my mouth ar implying things that never crossed my mind-thank you.

One can be and there are many of them who are VERY good people, and they aren't Bible-people or Christians ; some are 'better' people than some of the so-called Christians who hold the Bible with one hand and with the other lay waste to everything in their path - in the name of God.
What god is that which they serve, because that isn't certanly what Christianity is about.

But then,is pointless, bringing facts to your attention, you will just continue arguing :D so go ahead !

[tracker]

fire yes, go and have another read of it and don't skip over those bits and you will see what I am talking about.

you are not talking choices.... rape is wrong and we don't need Jesus to tell us that.... murder is wrong and we don't need Jesus to tell us that either...

and we all know what its like to be kind.

these are not the choices the bible gives...

the bible does not tell us if we are not good and kind we will go to hell... it tells us if we do not worship the lord we will go to hell and there are a number of the things the "lord" asks us not to do are not even bad... there is a difference.

it is not asking us to be good, it is asking for our emotional attachment to Jesus Christ.

whilst i agree that most of the bible does seem to go that way 3rdwave , it also says that the 1st and formost commandment is to love they fellow man , and if we do then we shall not be punished .

im not exactly a bible basher or a church goer , but when i was i did notice that small part , so maybe , it depends on how people use it rather than what it is , because at the end of the day , it always boils down to how the individual uses it . thats my stand on it now .:cool:

it never used to be but it is now because i have met some really good christians here , armourd amazon is one , spartan was another .

i dont wuite think now that the bible imprisons us , more than likely its the way it is used to numb people down by numb people who claim to know the bible when indeed they dont , we call them vicars etc .

[stfd]

whilst i agree that most of the bible does seem to go that way 3rdwave , it also says that the 1st and formost commandment is to love they fellow man , and if we do then we shall not be punished .

im not exactly a bible basher or a church goer , but when i was i did notice that small part , so maybe , it depends on how people use it rather than what it is , because at the end of the day , it always boils down to how the individual uses it . thats my stand on it now .:cool:

it never used to be but it is now because i have met some really good christians here , armourd amazon is one , spartan was another .

i dont wuite think now that the bible imprisons us , more than likely its the way it is used to numb people down by numb people who claim to know the bible when indeed they dont , we call them vicars etc .


Exactly !

It is indeed how you use it, what you make of it.
Just like knowledge, some use it for good , most dont unfortunatelly.
And indeed there ARE still, some good people out there, fortunatelly.
It isn't made (the Bible,Christianity) to imprison us but rather to show options,alternatives and to show outcomes of the possible paths one decides to take.

:)

[thirdwave]

Well, first of all i dont think "others" need to be saved ; i do believe however that we ALL need to be saved, especially from our own stupidity.
Now i never said that you need Jesus to be a good man, that would eliminate muslims and any other non-christian, that would be simply idiotic to say the least.

You better stop putting words in my mouth ar implying things that never crossed my mind-thank you.


I was not talking about you directly I was talking about the bible which is what it says.

why do you think it does not say that?

One can be and there are many of them who are VERY good people, and they aren't Bible-people or Christians ; some are 'better' people than some of the so-called Christians who hold the Bible with one hand and with the other lay waste to everything in their path - in the name of God.
What god is that which they serve, because that isn't certanly what Christianity is about.
I am going by what the bible teaches... if you and some others have your own little way or taking it in then good luck to you...

and ok so we all need saving... how is Jesus Christ going to save us?


But then,is pointless, bringing facts to your attention, you will just continue arguing :D so go ahead !


I will agree with you if it makes you feel better...

[thirdwave]

whilst i agree that most of the bible does seem to go that way 3rdwave , it also says that the 1st and formost commandment is to love they fellow man , and if we do then we shall not be punished .

but its not the target I am being critical of... its the practice.


im not exactly a bible basher or a church goer , but when i was i did notice that small part , so maybe , it depends on how people use it rather than what it is , because at the end of the day , it always boils down to how the individual uses it . thats my stand on it now .:cool:

I have already said this is the case.... if it works for you and makes you a better person then great!, keep it up....

But why is it going to save the NWO? .. why is it going to save everyone else so much so that they all need to worship Jesus?

it never used to be but it is now because i have met some really good christians here , armourd amazon is one , spartan was another .
well thats all good.... i have never said all christians are bad...

i dont wuite think now that the bible imprisons us , more than likely its the way it is used to numb people down by numb people who claim to know the bible when indeed they dont , we call them vicars etc .

ok you have to look at history....the bible used to bully people.... it was the law... if you broke it you were burned alive ...hung...killed....

now if you dont think that leaves its mark on a civilisation then you are wrong.. it has left many marks.. from oppressed people around today... to people that have swung totally the other way and are crazy....

So I do not think the bible is a danger to people today as such as it simply does not have the potency that it used to... for a start most people can read now.

so I do not fear the bible as such.... But what I am saying here is you have a bunch of Christians telling people that Jesus will save the NWO... and believing in Christ will save us from it... now while this is not a disaster...it is still an outlook based on stuff that was put there by the very elites that are pushing the NWO ...
and the reason I am into the debate is because this forum is being bombarded by them... on a David Icke forum of all places.

many researchers are getting branded as Agents and so on based on Christian views.... Christian education... this is unhealthy for a start.

[thirdwave]

Exactly !

It is indeed how you use it, what you make of it.
Just like knowledge, some use it for good , most dont unfortunatelly.
And indeed there ARE still, some good people out there, fortunatelly.
It isn't made (the Bible,Christianity) to imprison us but rather to show options,alternatives and to show outcomes of the possible paths one decides to take.

:)


if thats how you take it then great, at least you take it as a harmless way.... good for you....

but do you really think that many Christians take it that way?

and it is so valuable to hold onto or are you good enough to go it without the bible from now?

[tjohn]

Do we need a book to tell us right from wrong? Do we need a vicar or the clergy to teach us? Do children need to believe in Santa Clause for them to be good? Do we need a myth about a sacrificial lamb before we feel compassion for others? If we need these, we need to grow up because the time has come to leave religion.

You pray to your father in heaven? You rejoice in the "house of the Lord"? The time comes to leave our parent’s house and fend for ourselves in the big world. When we have grown up our parents shouldn’t need to tell us right from wrong.

Paul calls Christians “little children” and ‘Jesus’ says that unless you become as a child you will not see it – but hopefully we grow up and “put away childish things” and no longer see through the “hazy mirror” of religion.

In those days a mirror was made of metal and what you saw in it was a distorted image (includes your own image) and likewise with religious beliefs and doctrines, they distort people’s view of reality and themselves.

The time has come for people put down that mirror of distortion and it’s time for people to see things as they really are.

[stfd]

if thats how you take it then great, at least you take it as a harmless way.... good for you....

but do you really think that many Christians take it that way?

and it is so valuable to hold onto or are you good enough to go it without the bible from now?

That is how i personally take it , yes.
I take it as an option, as a 'way' of making my choice.
It isn't intended as way of scaring people into submision, was never intended that way, NEVER. Those who did use that way , and enslaved people's bodies and souls may , as we speak, burn in hell.If you would only know, how altered and twisted the old texts have become at the hand of those (men) who only wanted power, raw power over others.
Those men, are NOT Christians, those man only use the name, and picture themselfes in the eyes of the masses to purpously taint and distort , and ultimatelly destroy.

I am at least happy :) you finally got to understand where i'm coming from!

I know for a fact that there are still Christians kicking arround(please dont call those who only use the name, something they arent), and for the sake of whats left, lets not further the damage that those NWO jerks have done over the ages.

[stfd]

Do we need a book to tell us right from wrong? Do we need a vicar or the clergy to teach us? Do children need to believe in Santa Clause for them to be good? Do we need a myth about a sacrificial lamb before we feel compassion for others? If we need these, we need to grow up because the time has come to leave religion.

You pray to your father in heaven? You rejoice in the "house of the Lord"? The time comes to leave our parent’s house and fend for ourselves in the big world. When we have grown up our parents shouldn’t need to tell us right from wrong.

Paul calls Christians “little children” and ‘Jesus’ says that unless you become as a child you will not see it – but hopefully we grow up and “put away childish things” and no longer see through the “hazy mirror” of religion.

In those days a mirror was made of metal and what you saw in it was a distorted image (includes your own image) and likewise with religious beliefs and doctrines, they distort people’s view of reality and themselves.

The time has come for people put down that mirror of distortion and it’s time for people to see things as they really are.


I don't exactly get the message.
Could you be a little more precise?

[tjohn]

I don't exactly get the message.
Could you be a little more precise?I don't think I could be more precise! It is a message for those who are very familiar with the bible. If you have not read your bible you are likely less confused and doing better than many who have.

[tjohn]

These remain faith, hope and love and the greatest of these is love.

Faith does not mean religion but faith means trust and we cannot trust, or hope in, nor should we love religion, because religion and the bible do not always tell the truth.

Our real ‘Father’ in heaven (the cosmic intent) and our real ‘Mother’ (the Elohim or Anunnaki, or the ‘angels’ – check it out) do not show much favouritism toward anyone’s religion but they want you to know who you are as a part of the whole. Otherwise if you cling to religion for your idenity you will not recognise who you are and likely nor will they.

[tjohn]

Sigh - does anyone understand what I am saying?

[stfd]

These remain faith, hope and love and the greatest of these is love.

Faith does not mean religion but faith means trust and we cannot trust, or hope in, nor should we love religion, because religion and the bible do not always tell the truth.

Our real ‘Father’ in heaven (the cosmic intent) and our real ‘Mother’ (the Elohim or Anunnaki, or the ‘angels’ – check it out) do not show much favouritism toward anyone’s religion but they want you to know who you are as a part of the whole. Otherwise if you cling to religion for your idenity you will not recognise who you are and likely nor will they.

Ok so religion and Bible,youre saying, tell the truth only sometimes right?
Could you perhaps,if it isnt so much to ask, put in words just ONE thing which you personally found as bs?

thanks

[tjohn]

Ok so religion and Bible,youre saying, tell the truth only sometimes right?
Could you perhaps,if it isnt so much to ask, put in words just ONE thing which you personally found as bs?

thanks I could if I had the time and energy write a whole book about the BS in the bible and religion but if you think it is all infallible read the bible (as the thread says) for yourself.

No, I am not trying to evade your answer but I am not well and I seriously need a rest now. Perhaps if you insist, I can come back with one or more reasons why I think that religion and the bible (on the whole) is mostly BS. Saying that, my comments at http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=614615&postcount=113 should say it all to you.

[stfd]

I could if I had the time and energy write a whole book about the BS in the bible and religion but if you think it is all infallible read the bible (as the thread says) for yourself.

No, I am not trying to evade your answer but I am not well and I seriously need a rest now. Perhaps if you insist, I can come back with one or more reasons why I think that religion and the bible (on the whole) is mostly BS. Saying that, my comments at http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=614615&postcount=113 should say it all to you.

No is cool dude, go and rest.
When you feel better, just bring a single b.s. line you were able to find.

thanks

[jayelowell]

I have posted these videos before in another thread but I feel more ppl need to overstand!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y620P8PvJG4

playlist link
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=94DE480FB348DE4E

important wordplay in this section...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GIGajPNz98