Conspiracy Theorists & Debunkers - Both Correct

[verbal]

I'm running out the door late but wanted to start this thread / concept discussion...


The organization and manipulations observed by conspiracy theorists and half-witted people (us) exist and the orchestrated deeds are exactly that and they are occurring.

On the flip side, the claims that Bilderburg is just a general, prudent, policy discussion, and CFR is just a forum for foreign policy oriented political discussion, and Skull and Bones is not a satanic perpetrator of the NWO, and that the idea of Reptilians is an indicator of someone losing touch with the world around them and should probably seek help - all these usually very heartfelt denials of conspiracy implications are Honest Statements.

What conspiracy minded people are observing is the subconscious, DNA driven organization of reality. These coordinate efforts we see are indeed coordinated but executed on the level of DNA and only in our subconscious. When our conscious selves discuss "Reptilians", they are indeed speeking of a particular set of usually powerful individuals, coming from certain genetic lines, which seek world domination... for themselves. Individually. A World King if you will. Their quest for world domination Includes all the other "Reptilians" as well. Like in Highlander, "There can only be one." Why "Reptilians" you ask? That's what makes the whole thing whacky right? As a matter of convention, necessity, or whatever, that is a language compromise that has been made. "Reptilians" are these individuals who's core philosophy is driven by the 'reptilian' portion of the brain. Hence the ultracompetetive, ruthless, heartless, almost inhuman be haviors we see, in pursuit of this NWO. Thes individuals I refer to as "Alphas" there is another genetic type though. Those I refer to as Gammas.

I gotta run, I've written a little on the subject on ATS.com if you can't wait. Basically, the subconscious mind guides the conscious mind of Alphas in a way so as to be able to explain away the controlled behavior being executed by the person per the instructions of the "DNA-being" going about his business.... shoot...
later...
-v

Alphas - survival via hierarchy, domination, winning, success of the individual
Gammas - survival via cooperation, interdependence, not playing "games" outside of Games, and success of the group as the means of survival of the individual.

kinda makin sense?

[john white]

Oh yes

[red_ram]

Yes.

Good thread.

[kappy0405]

...and that the idea of Reptilians is an indicator of someone losing touch with the world around them and should probably seek help - all these usually very heartfelt denials of conspiracy implications are Honest Statements...

...When our conscious selves discuss "Reptilians", they are indeed speeking of a particular set of usually powerful individuals, coming from certain genetic lines, which seek world domination...

hmm.. good post, but the reptilian theory isnt just a creation of conspiracist-nutjobs either. Its been around for millenia.. There is more evidence and historical basis behind it then there is any religion in the world. Would you also then say that Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc have also 'lost touch with the world and should probably seek help'...? Because that is even more justified.

[lightgiver]

I'm running out the door late but wanted to start this thread / concept discussion...


The organization and manipulations observed by conspiracy theorists and half-witted people (us) exist and the orchestrated deeds are exactly that and they are occurring.

On the flip side, the claims that Bilderburg is just a general, prudent, policy discussion, and CFR is just a forum for foreign policy oriented political discussion, and Skull and Bones is not a satanic perpetrator of the NWO, and that the idea of Reptilians is an indicator of someone losing touch with the world around them and should probably seek help - all these usually very heartfelt denials of conspiracy implications are Honest Statements.

What conspiracy minded people are observing is the subconscious, DNA driven organization of reality. These coordinate efforts we see are indeed coordinated but executed on the level of DNA and only in our subconscious. When our conscious selves discuss "Reptilians", they are indeed speeking of a particular set of usually powerful individuals, coming from certain genetic lines, which seek world domination... for themselves. Individually. A World King if you will. Their quest for world domination Includes all the other "Reptilians" as well. Like in Highlander, "There can only be one." Why "Reptilians" you ask? That's what makes the whole thing whacky right? As a matter of convention, necessity, or whatever, that is a language compromise that has been made. "Reptilians" are these individuals who's core philosophy is driven by the 'reptilian' portion of the brain. Hence the ultracompetetive, ruthless, heartless, almost inhuman be haviors we see, in pursuit of this NWO. Thes individuals I refer to as "Alphas" there is another genetic type though. Those I refer to as Gammas.

I gotta run, I've written a little on the subject on ATS.com if you can't wait. Basically, the subconscious mind guides the conscious mind of Alphas in a way so as to be able to explain away the controlled behavior being executed by the person per the instructions of the "DNA-being" going about his business.... shoot...
later...
-v

Alphas - survival via hierarchy, domination, winning, success of the individual
Gammas - survival via cooperation, interdependence, not playing "games" outside of Games, and success of the group as the means of survival of the individual.

kinda makin sense?

Yes,that is very true;) i go with gamma:)but still retaining individuality,until duality becomes non duality.;)

[lightgiver]

I'm running out the door late but wanted to start this thread / concept discussion...


The organization and manipulations observed by conspiracy theorists and half-witted people (us) exist and the orchestrated deeds are exactly that and they are occurring.

On the flip side, the claims that Bilderburg is just a general, prudent, policy discussion, and CFR is just a forum for foreign policy oriented political discussion, and Skull and Bones is not a satanic perpetrator of the NWO, and that the idea of Reptilians is an indicator of someone losing touch with the world around them and should probably seek help - all these usually very heartfelt denials of conspiracy implications are Honest Statements.

What conspiracy minded people are observing is the subconscious, DNA driven organization of reality. These coordinate efforts we see are indeed coordinated but executed on the level of DNA and only in our subconscious. When our conscious selves discuss "Reptilians", they are indeed speeking of a particular set of usually powerful individuals, coming from certain genetic lines, which seek world domination... for themselves. Individually. A World King if you will. Their quest for world domination Includes all the other "Reptilians" as well. Like in Highlander, "There can only be one." Why "Reptilians" you ask? That's what makes the whole thing whacky right? As a matter of convention, necessity, or whatever, that is a language compromise that has been made. "Reptilians" are these individuals who's core philosophy is driven by the 'reptilian' portion of the brain. Hence the ultracompetetive, ruthless, heartless, almost inhuman be haviors we see, in pursuit of this NWO. Thes individuals I refer to as "Alphas" there is another genetic type though. Those I refer to as Gammas.

I gotta run, I've written a little on the subject on ATS.com if you can't wait. Basically, the subconscious mind guides the conscious mind of Alphas in a way so as to be able to explain away the controlled behavior being executed by the person per the instructions of the "DNA-being" going about his business.... shoot...
later...
-v

Alphas - survival via hierarchy, domination, winning, success of the individual
Gammas - survival via cooperation, interdependence, not playing "games" outside of Games, and success of the group as the means of survival of the individual.

kinda makin sense?

Yes,that is very true;) i go with gamma:)but still retaining individuality,until duality becomes non duality.;)

http://lightworkers.org/blog/41653/the-reptilian-brain

[elirien]

I'm running out the door late but wanted to start this thread / concept discussion...


The organization and manipulations observed by conspiracy theorists and half-witted people (us) exist and the orchestrated deeds are exactly that and they are occurring.

On the flip side, the claims that Bilderburg is just a general, prudent, policy discussion, and CFR is just a forum for foreign policy oriented political discussion, and Skull and Bones is not a satanic perpetrator of the NWO, and that the idea of Reptilians is an indicator of someone losing touch with the world around them and should probably seek help - all these usually very heartfelt denials of conspiracy implications are Honest Statements.

What conspiracy minded people are observing is the subconscious, DNA driven organization of reality. These coordinate efforts we see are indeed coordinated but executed on the level of DNA and only in our subconscious. When our conscious selves discuss "Reptilians", they are indeed speeking of a particular set of usually powerful individuals, coming from certain genetic lines, which seek world domination... for themselves. Individually. A World King if you will. Their quest for world domination Includes all the other "Reptilians" as well. Like in Highlander, "There can only be one." Why "Reptilians" you ask? That's what makes the whole thing whacky right? As a matter of convention, necessity, or whatever, that is a language compromise that has been made. "Reptilians" are these individuals who's core philosophy is driven by the 'reptilian' portion of the brain. Hence the ultracompetetive, ruthless, heartless, almost inhuman be haviors we see, in pursuit of this NWO. Thes individuals I refer to as "Alphas" there is another genetic type though. Those I refer to as Gammas.

I gotta run, I've written a little on the subject on ATS.com if you can't wait. Basically, the subconscious mind guides the conscious mind of Alphas in a way so as to be able to explain away the controlled behavior being executed by the person per the instructions of the "DNA-being" going about his business.... shoot...
later...
-v

Alphas - survival via hierarchy, domination, winning, success of the individual
Gammas - survival via cooperation, interdependence, not playing "games" outside of Games, and success of the group as the means of survival of the individual.

kinda makin sense?

You are not speaking about what you claim in the topic. you are just repeating government rhetoric (and I'm not talking about "reptilians" here).

For example, a doctor that claims "AIDS is not a synthetic bio weapon" is a killer of thousands just by not saying at least "I don't know".

You could have tied conspiracy research + religious prophecy + debunkers all together since they all contribute in the search for truth.

[verbal]

You are not speaking about what you claim in the topic. you are just repeating government rhetoric (and I'm not talking about "reptilians" here).

For example, a doctor that claims "AIDS is not a synthetic bio weapon" is a killer of thousands just by not saying at least "I don't know".

You could have tied conspiracy research + religious prophecy + debunkers all together since they all contribute in the search for truth.

Saget! I wrote a lengthy response to this earlier - must have fallen asleep and deleted it when I woke... grrrr...

I think you may have misread or misunderstood me. To unify consp. research, religious prophecy, and debunkers under the search for truth - without addressing their contradictory views is what we have already - "repeating government rhetoric" as you say. It's just a means of "throwing a blanket" over the conflict and saying, "see, they're united.", as they strangle each other under the blanket.

The theory I'm putting forth, in contrast, actually addresses the conflict between the observed realities of each of these groups. I doing so, I create a paradigm in which they can co-exist without contradiction.
i.e. A context which allows CONSPIRACY THEORISTS & DEBUNKERS to be BOTH CORRECT. I think I'm speaking about what I claim in the Title.

In a nutshell, I'm saying that DNA exercises a mature intellect which we have no conscious awareness of. Mostly via the subconscious, but with some direct manipulation of the conscious minds, DNA executes it's solutions to ensure its individual survival and improve it's abilities to survive by reproduction.

Our conscious awareness is not "the Boss" of our bodies. The DNA entity is. DNA uses what we perceive as consciousness as a translator between taking action and it's own will. Now, we DO still function as self-determined entities, but only within the limits set up by DNA. This program of behavior and thought, by design, acts "independently". In human terms, it is so DNA's creator can focus elsewhere but his 'DNA being' will still progress and adapt.

Back to our world... the conspiracies we see are not being contrived by the conscious minds of the people involved. The interconnections we see are due to organization on the level of DNA, not our consciousness.

There. Finally. A two sentence summary of the theory. The lack of language for the details of this is exhausting me. I want to go see what's in the Egyptian Pyramids. I'll be back.

[bigus_dickus]

i don't think so.

there's no question about whether conspiracies exist. conspiracies have existed, exist and will exist, because the notion conspiracy means that two or more people get together and make secret agreements. we can be talking about two individuals, or two nations, it's still a conspiracy.

but there is nothing to suggest that whenever a conspiracy is formed, it is being done for "evil" reasons, for ruling the world, for killing people, etc. of course these kind of conspiracies exist, everyone wants to rule the world, but at the same time other conspiracies exist that have different reasons that are not necessarily "evil" and that help humankind to overcome the obstacles and move forward.

conspiracy theorists are only interested in one kind of conspiracies. the first kind, with the doom and gloom and all the drama. and each conspiracy they discover, they attach it to their grander conspiracy scheme like it's the most logical and natural thing to do.

question: why do they do that?

[phaid]

Entering into a loop situation, you could say that the people on this forum are engaged in an 'open' conspiracy to react to those they think are plotting a conspiracy against them, both claiming their own monopoly on their own subjective 'truth', whatever that means to them.
Round and round it goes....:rolleyes:

[raptorialis]

Sounds like a load of jibberish to me.

Why start a thread whilst you are running out the door.

I suspect this is not that important to the author and so shouldn't be taken seriously.


I'm running out the door late but wanted to start this thread / concept discussion...


The organization and manipulations observed by conspiracy theorists and half-witted people (us) exist and the orchestrated deeds are exactly that and they are occurring.

On the flip side, the claims that Bilderburg is just a general, prudent, policy discussion, and CFR is just a forum for foreign policy oriented political discussion, and Skull and Bones is not a satanic perpetrator of the NWO, and that the idea of Reptilians is an indicator of someone losing touch with the world around them and should probably seek help - all these usually very heartfelt denials of conspiracy implications are Honest Statements.

What conspiracy minded people are observing is the subconscious, DNA driven organization of reality. These coordinate efforts we see are indeed coordinated but executed on the level of DNA and only in our subconscious. When our conscious selves discuss "Reptilians", they are indeed speeking of a particular set of usually powerful individuals, coming from certain genetic lines, which seek world domination... for themselves. Individually. A World King if you will. Their quest for world domination Includes all the other "Reptilians" as well. Like in Highlander, "There can only be one." Why "Reptilians" you ask? That's what makes the whole thing whacky right? As a matter of convention, necessity, or whatever, that is a language compromise that has been made. "Reptilians" are these individuals who's core philosophy is driven by the 'reptilian' portion of the brain. Hence the ultracompetetive, ruthless, heartless, almost inhuman be haviors we see, in pursuit of this NWO. Thes individuals I refer to as "Alphas" there is another genetic type though. Those I refer to as Gammas.

I gotta run, I've written a little on the subject on ATS.com if you can't wait. Basically, the subconscious mind guides the conscious mind of Alphas in a way so as to be able to explain away the controlled behavior being executed by the person per the instructions of the "DNA-being" going about his business.... shoot...
later...
-v

Alphas - survival via hierarchy, domination, winning, success of the individual
Gammas - survival via cooperation, interdependence, not playing "games" outside of Games, and success of the group as the means of survival of the individual.

kinda makin sense?

[elirien]

Saget! I wrote a lengthy response to this earlier - must have fallen asleep and deleted it when I woke... grrrr...


Oh that happens to me all the time. :D Don't get angry. Sometimes it helps you edit all the rant out that you put in in "the heat of the moment" so to speak :)


I think you may have misread or misunderstood me. To unify consp. research, religious prophecy, and debunkers under the search for truth - without addressing their contradictory views is what we have already - "repeating government rhetoric" as you say. It's just a means of "throwing a blanket" over the conflict and saying, "see, they're united.", as they strangle each other under the blanket.

No, we have a blanket of lies on one string of truth. There are tens of myths and weird beliefs dancing around the truth that we the alleged "truth seekers" can't see the damn thing because of that blanket that reads coincidence theory, sun-god myth, mystery belief and other sorts of well thought lies.

As far as I have observed this is that the conspiracy theorist or researcher unearths the religious prophecy (and I don't mean only religions based on a deity but also religions like money worship, people worship, demon and other "extra-terrestrial" worship etc.) objectively and the debunkers clean the damn thing up based on scientific and other evidence. It's kind of like real journalism i think.


The theory I'm putting forth, in contrast, actually addresses the conflict between the observed realities of each of these groups. I doing so, I create a paradigm in which they can co-exist without contradiction.
i.e. A context which allows CONSPIRACY THEORISTS & DEBUNKERS to be BOTH CORRECT. I think I'm speaking about what I claim in the Title.

Well but they can be both correct anyway with the above mentioned technique (or system). You are not speaking about that. Your thoughts more resonate in the "that is your reality and this is mine" mentality with your "The theory I'm putting forth, in contrast, actually addresses the conflict between the observed realities of each of these groups. I doing so, I create a paradigm in which they can co-exist without contradiction." sentences. you did create a pardigm and actually a belief system but it is not truth and there is only one truth which is not yours neither mine.


In a nutshell, I'm saying that DNA exercises a mature intellect which we have no conscious awareness of. Mostly via the subconscious, but with some direct manipulation of the conscious minds, DNA executes it's solutions to ensure its individual survival and improve it's abilities to survive by reproduction.

Ok. Now this is a theory and we need to treat it like one. First of all i think it was Greg Braden who said that scientists found that the DNA is working like a photon antenna. Since positive science doesn't know where these photons come from they are not scientifically aware of this but we could be knowing what those photons are and where they come from but our conscious mind is not focusing on the broad picture since it is conditioned to look at the small details (like your job, your left brain life etc.).


Our conscious awareness is not "the Boss" of our bodies. The DNA entity is. DNA uses what we perceive as consciousness as a translator between taking action and it's own will. Now, we DO still function as self-determined entities, but only within the limits set up by DNA. This program of behavior and thought, by design, acts "independently". In human terms, it is so DNA's creator can focus elsewhere but his 'DNA being' will still progress and adapt.

Well this fails with Greg Braden's scientific approach and my theoretical additions. I don't know about the DNA but I am in the control of this body when I buy cigarettes to poison my body for some minutes of relief. That I do know :)


Back to our world... the conspiracies we see are not being contrived by the conscious minds of the people involved. The interconnections we see are due to organization on the level of DNA, not our consciousness.

There. Finally. A two sentence summary of the theory. The lack of language for the details of this is exhausting me. I want to go see what's in the Egyptian Pyramids. I'll be back.

Well I think a trip around the pyramids with those glaring eyes won't do you any good but well it's your DNA :)

I have a small theory that the sub-conscious is the telepathic area of everyone around. It could be one of the planes that we exist in.

'nuff dimensional ranting. take care.

[graflok]

but there is nothing to suggest that whenever a conspiracy is formed, it is being done for "evil" reasons ...


... except the definition of conspiracy.

[bigus_dickus]

... except the definition of conspiracy.

that's what i am talking about. the modern definition of conspiracy is that it is an agreement, or plot, which is bad, sinful, evil or illegal when done in secret.

but the word conspiracy literally means "together in spirit"..

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=conspire

[zero1]

But the word conspiracy literally means "together in spirit".

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=conspire

The PTB don't want us to be together in spirit! :eek: Yet they are conspiring together in spirit! :eek: WTF..?!

[bigus_dickus]

The PTB don't want us to be together in spirit! :eek: Yet they are conspiring together in spirit! :eek: WTF..?!

do you know another way for the PTB to B? :)

[zero1]

do you know another way for the PTB to B? :)

Nope. :( Perhaps the reason they seem so invincible and you get all the "we'll never beat them..." negativity from CT's is that they really are together in spirit.

But is it a Holy Spirit, or an Unholy one..? ;) Or does it matter at all so long as they get the business of running humanity and the Earth down to a perfect tee? I don't know.

[Anders Lindman]

One problem is that not only is mainstream media a smokescreen, also much of the conspiracy info is a smokescreen in that it doesn't deal with the real issues well enough.

There are exceptions, like Webster Tarpley saying that Obama has been selected to make deals with countries in Africa in order to kick China out of there. That sounded very plausible to me since China has started to make a lot of no-strings-attached deals with developing countries in Africa and in other places around the globe. China is sweeping the world for oil and other raw materials needed to fuel and sustain its huge and fast-growing economy.

The U.S. government has to be able to compete with that. The old-school ways of using the CIA etc to overthrow governments in developing countries are probably not working so well any longer. They have to start making ordinary business, and Obama will no doubt be a better choice for making business deals peacefully with developing countries such as in Africa than McCain. Also, Obama's connection to the Muslim faith will be helpful when dealing with Muslim nations. Obama is well-suited for dealing with both Muslim and Christian developing countries.

Watch out China, heeeere comes OBAMA!!! :D

[Anders Lindman]

Watch out China, heeeere comes OBAMA!!! :D

Not only China. Obama's negative comments about Pakistan are likely well calculated. I'm too lazy to do a Web search right now, but isn't Pakistan a very big nation? Not as large as India but still very big?

What's the reason for provoking Pakistan? The U.S. government already has huge competition for resources from the BRIC nations plus from the Middle East who together form an enormous and very fast-growing part of the world economy. If Pakistan would join that group by getting their economy growing very rapidly, then the competition would be even larger putting the U.S. (and other nations such as in Europe) in an even more difficult situation. If Pakistan can be prevented from getting their economy start blooming there would be less economic competition for the U.S.

[bigus_dickus]

Nope. :( Perhaps the reason they seem so invincible and you get all the "we'll never beat them..." negativity from CT's is that they really are together in spirit.

But is it a Holy Spirit, or an Unholy one..? ;) Or does it matter at all so long as they get the business of running humanity and the Earth down to a perfect tee? I don't know.

spirit is one. there is no holy and unholy spirit, it depends on where you are looking from.

it's our breath. together in spirit is to breathe together in harmony.

we are divided, because we believe that we own the air that we breathe.

[verbal]

Sounds like a load of jibberish to me.
Why start a thread whilst you are running out the door.
I suspect this is not that important to the author and so shouldn't be taken seriously.

perhaps you should reread it then and see if you can get your head around it. I promise, it's not a load of jibberish.

because i would likely forget about the post entirely, and I wanted to read some reactions to help me revise and edit.

why would you suspect this isn't important to me? You don't just come up with this stuff on a single cigarette break. Well, at least I don't. The Alpha - Gamma/Omega (managed to get stuck between the two labels.) is one of my primary topics of study and continued development of the theory one of my most valued endeavors.

[kweli]

Yes,that is very true;) i go with gamma:)but still retaining individuality,until duality becomes non duality.;)

http://lightworkers.org/blog/41653/the-reptilian-brain

You wanna be a Gamma? :eek: :D

BRAVE NEW WORLD

Caste System— people in Brave New World are genetically divided into five Greek letter categories. The best and brightest intellectuals are Alphas while the Epsilons are the manual laborers with little need for intelligence. The other castes fill jobs somewhere in between.

Alphas: Wear grey; these are the intellectuals of society. Some examples of professions can be World Controllers (Alpha double Plus), Directors of Hatcheries, and Wardens. Bernard, a psychologist, is also an Alpha.

Betas: Mulberry colored; these persons are somewhat intelligent and often work as mechanics.

Gammas: Wear green; often work as machine minders/manipulators, butlers, and other semi-thought-provoking jobs.

Deltas: Wear khaki, helicopter attendants, cold pressers, screw-cutters, package packers; are mass produced and have no individuality.

Epsilons: Wear black, can’t read or write, Sewage Workers, liftmen, foundry-workers, carriers, semi-morons.