Aleister Crowley returns?

[rhydra]

What's the chances that Aleister Crowley won't find a way of returning to this plane or being invoked and not going away? I heard about a property that he owned some while ago that was had some sort of disturbance going on, I think it was one of the places where he performed some of his rituals.

[marpat]

What's the chances that Aleister Crowley won't find a way of returning to this plane or being invoked and not going away? I heard about a property that he owned some while ago that was had some sort of disturbance going on, I think it was one of the places where he performed some of his rituals.

That could be anything. I was readig some of the Ra material on the David Wilcocks site that states Crowley is presently within the earths inner levels undergoing a healing phase. The Ra source also stated Crowley was a positive entity.

He is not the bad guy from Harry Potter you know.. You every read any of his books or perhaps his diaries?

[zen_fox]

Wasn't his home in Scotland purchased by Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin fame?

[krakhead]

Wasn't his home in Scotland purchased by Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin fame?

Boleskine House? He sold it years ago.

[lightgiver]

What's the chances that Aleister Crowley won't find a way of returning to this plane or being invoked and not going away? I heard about a property that he owned some while ago that was had some sort of disturbance going on, I think it was one of the places where he performed some of his rituals.

Have a read,see what you feel,

Liber 4 - Liber ABA:

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib4.html

[krakhead]

Alister Crowley is George W Bush's Grandfather. His mother was the product of a sex magic ritual. The Beast lives.

Well Crowley is reputed by some people to be Bush's grandfather. There's no definitive evidence is there?

[krakhead]

the evidence is in the akashic records but crackheads generally don have access, No offence meant, but there are ways to access the truth. And in most peoples dna, the ability to access these higher frequencies were burnt at the stake in their ancestory. Im working on a way to revitalise these frequencies.

Oh, the Akashic records, fair do's then. As long as you've got reliable sources! :p

[krakhead]

Barbra Bush was the ugly duckling of her family, her brothers and sisters were pretty. She took after her father, Crowley. There are pictures of them in other threads on this site

I'm well aware of the pictures, but that's hardly proof is it? I apparently look like some footballer and/or James Blunt - I'm neither's relative though!

[runciter]

I'm well aware of the pictures, but that's hardly proof is it?

the rothschilds are the descendants of the false messiah sabbetai zevi..

http://www.geocities.com/cliff_shack/shabbetai_rothschild.html

there is no proof, there are no illuminati, there isn't a conspiracy going on.

[rhydra]

That could be anything. I was readig some of the Ra material on the David Wilcocks site that states Crowley is presently within the earths inner levels undergoing a healing phase. The Ra source also stated Crowley was a positive entity.

He is not the bad guy from Harry Potter you know.. You every read any of his books or perhaps his diaries?

I have read quite a lot about him, enough to know that his spirit seems to have been a lot stronger than most other's. As for bad guy, I don't believe in good or bad as real concepts, they seem to be human concepts designed to restrict free thought but that's just my opinion. ;)

[marpat]

I have read quite a lot about him, enough to know that his spirit seems to have been a lot stronger than most other's. As for bad guy, I don't believe in good or bad as real concepts, they seem to be human concepts designed to restrict free thought but that's just my opinion. ;)

Too right, often bad is whatever the status quo tell people is wrong, such as the church making people think sex is evil. Crowley was one of the few people back then with the balls to test these things to the extreme. It's just a pity too many people have biased, limited viewpoints.

[eternal_spirit]

Too right, often bad is whatever the status quo tell people is wrong, such as the church making people think sex is evil. Crowley was one of the few people back then with the balls to test these things to the extreme. It's just a pity too many people have biased, limited viewpoints.

LOL you're biased and pro Crowley and brainwashed - avatar sig and a preacher man for Crowley's Thelema religion.

Don't you see the irony he was into Gnosticism which came out of Judaism and Christianity. The OTO have some Gnostic beliefs mixed in and some OTO groups are connected to Christianity including Catholic gnosis.

Yes sex with goats and weird rituals most people regardless of the Church would consider that a bit strange to say the least. And maybe Crowley was paedophile after all. He was known to hang out with some.

Double agent for British intelligence an Elite, hung out with Elite psychopaths, not a nice guy at all. He believed in the NWO's de-population agendas. The channelings he says came from entities confirmed this.

[marpat]

LOL you're biased and pro Crowley and brainwashed - avatar sig and a preacher man for Crowley's Thelema religion.

Don't you see the irony he was into Gnosticism which came out of Judaism and Christianity. The OTO have some Gnostic beliefs mixed in and some OTO groups are connected to Christianity including Catholic gnosis.

Yes sex with goats and weird rituals most people regardless of the Church would consider that a bit strange to say the least. And maybe Crowley was paedophile after all. He was known to hang out with some.

Double agent for British intelligence an Elite, hung out with Elite psychopaths, not a nice guy at all. He believed in the NWO's de-population agendas. The channelings he says came from entities confirmed this.

Yawn

Did you find all this out when you dabbled with ritual satanism, when you were harrased by those spirits you mentioned?

[eternal_spirit]

Yawn

Did you find all this out when you dabbled with ritual satanism, when you were harrased by those spirits you mentioned?

You're full of shit and lying as usual. What's up can't accept what I posted because you're so brainwashed with your Master. I know who you are.

[marpat]

You're full of shit and lying as usual. What's up can't accept what I posted because you're so brainwashed with your Master. I know who you are.


How ironic, you hate people making accusations about you and your dabbling but you are happy to make the most vile accusations against other people. Hypocrite

All of those things you mentioned were hammered out before.

Master? I dont have one. Thelema is not about worshipping Crowley it is about doing your true will while respecting the total right for others to follow their true nature. I find it odd that you would be so against such things. Crowley is just a very unusual, interesting, colourful character. He is far more interesting than most writers on western magic.

'Only love can unite the divided, all else is a curse'

'Love is the law, love under will'

'Every man and every woman is a star'

What I find interesting is that the Ra source that David Wilcoks channels states that Crowley is a positive entity. This Ra source is the one that has provided all the ascension material.

[krakhead]

FFS you two! Barely into double figures on the posts and already you're throwing insults!

Can't the pair of you agree to not post on Crowley threads? It really does get boring to read through your bickering!

Having said that, carry on....

But without the insults please! :D

[deathcultreject]

What's the chances that Aleister Crowley won't find a way of returning to this plane or being invoked and not going away? I heard about a property that he owned some while ago that was had some sort of disturbance going on, I think it was one of the places where he performed some of his rituals.

Hey, I'm realted to Crowley.

That's my uncle you're talking about.

I hate to have to say this but . . .

Can you rephrase that in Queen's English please?

[rhydra]

Hey, I'm realted to Crowley.

That's my uncle you're talking about.

I hate to have to say this but . . .

Can you rephrase that in Queen's English please?

Hi, I heard about a property that was being renovated that had some sort of manifestation, somewhere in London I think. It was on the TV quite a while back, someone said that it was something to do with Aleister Crowley.
Hope that's OK. :)

[marpat]

Hi, I heard about a property that was being renovated that had some sort of manifestation, somewhere in London I think. It was on the TV quite a while back, someone said that it was something to do with Aleister Crowley.
Hope that's OK. :)

That means nothing really though. It is probably a place he either lived or worked from, or visited. I doubt it is anything to do with a ghostly return.

[deathcultreject]

Hi, I heard about a property that was being renovated that had some sort of manifestation, somewhere in London I think. It was on the TV quite a while back, someone said that it was something to do with Aleister Crowley.
Hope that's OK. :)

OK thanks for that :)

He seems quite busy as a ghostie, along with people like Ghandi and Jim Morrison.

I've only seen him once myself. He looked like a nutter.

[hagbard_celine]

Well Crowley is reputed by some people to be Bush's grandfather. There's no definitive evidence is there?

Crowley was obsesively promiscuous and never used contraceptives and has therefore probably got 1000's of descendants all over the world!

[hagbard_celine]

He is not the bad guy from Harry Potter you know.. You every read any of his books or perhaps his diaries?

I read his biography by Martin Short, A Magick Life. It claimed to be the only unbiased thing ever written about this very controversial individual. I can see that the Law of Thelema, "Do what thou wilt" has been twisted and misrepresented by Crowley's enemies. His philosophy would look different if invented today, then against the backdrop of its contemporary Victorian purism.

[thirdwave]

I read his biography by Martin Short, A Magick Life. It claimed to be the only unbiased thing ever written about this very controversial individual. I can see that the Law of Thelema, "Do what thou wilt" has been twisted and misrepresented by Crowley's enemies. His philosophy would look different if invented today, then against the backdrop of its contemporary Victorian purism.

he was crazy, not evil.

obsessed with freedom like a crazed scientist.

and like you say if he was around today he would blend in quite well,a hell of alot more than he did back then.

[chris]

Boleskine House? He sold it years ago.

Probably after he realised that the Abremalin working was 18 months instead of 6:D

[marpat]

I read his biography by Martin Short, A Magick Life. It claimed to be the only unbiased thing ever written about this very controversial individual. I can see that the Law of Thelema, "Do what thou wilt" has been twisted and misrepresented by Crowley's enemies. His philosophy would look different if invented today, then against the backdrop of its contemporary Victorian purism.

Well that is a lot of it, the historical context. Obviously his extreme views and activities we very shocking to a public that were very church/ establishment based, a society that was averse to change and individuality. I doubt people would bat an eyelid nowadays.

I think his humour was his own enemy at times as people often take every word he wrote as if it were completely serious rather than tongue in cheek.

[thirdwave]

I think his humour was his own enemy at times as people often take every word he wrote as if it were completely serious rather than tongue in cheek.

well most of those people WANTED to take it the wrong way anyway... because they new dam well he knew all about how fake their faiths where and often taunted them with it....

So many of them where desperate to prove he was evil and would have taken anything they could get their hands on...

I expirience the same thing here in many debates.... from believing in ETEs to not believing all secret societies are all evil and NWO based.... and of course understanding how religious faiths are based on lies... all these things have caused people to literally assume I am an agent that's here to spread disinfo.... just as people would accused somone of being under the influence of "Satan"...

for me it is all about the accusers Ego. One is ready for knowledge and the other is not, but the other's ego tells them they should know best and that they are the good ones, not the immature... and hence continue to learn nothing ...

[humito]

didnt tim leary think at one point that he was part of the same conciousness as crowely? tripping in the desert in north africa, in the same place as crowley took mescaline and did a ritual, he came to realise through many syncronicities that he was carrying on 'the great work' started by crowley as their lives were very similar on many levels...........the point being not reincarnation but recurring cycles with different representitives each time round.........dr john dee.........crowely......tim leary. He had similar visions on his trip in the desert as crowley had and together with brian barrit unwittingly released similar energies.Crowleys book of the law and learys prison bound starseed transmissions although different because of channeling through different nervous systems and egos are also very similar.
So the personality of crowley does not need to return it seems,other individuals are being guided by the same inteligence and are partaking in recurring scipts and are helping mankind evolve .
Check out a silly but fun film called the chemical wedding,it deals with the theme of the return of crowely.......he is conjured from the astral plane by magickal ritual programmed into the main frame of an lawnmower man style V R suit and takes over the body of a trinity college professer.Is a good laugh and made by the guy from iron maiden i think.

[rhydra]

He was brought up as a god fearing child, when his father died he then realised what a sham religion was. I personally think that he was way ahead of his time, even now I think he would have been.
I don't think he was crazy or evil, he was curious enough to push the boundaries, he might have pushed them too far for the time he lived in.

[impermanence]

Too right, often bad is whatever the status quo tell people is wrong, such as the church making people think sex is evil. Crowley was one of the few people back then with the balls to test these things to the extreme. It's just a pity too many people have biased, limited viewpoints.


Absolutely, Crowley liberated himself from primitive morals and dogma and felt no guilt or shame in indulging in whatever he fancied. He used his mysterious, alluring, mystical reputation to seduce whoever he wanted to fuck in the name of magick, he persuaded wealthy idiots who where fascinated with the occult to fund his lifestyle when he ran out of cash, he was so charismatic and boldly confident he could entice people into doing what ever he wanted.

Crowley was a man of many talents, he had a genius mind until it was dulled with opiates later in life, but his real magick was he always followed his hearts desire no matter how dark or unacceptable it seemed to mindless drones who ridiculed him.

He really just used the same tricks as elite Jews have used to enslave the world, for some, this is what magick is all about, truly believing in yourself and your ability, preying on the stupidity of others without any useless guilt if need be, getting what you want; whatever the cost, using every tool avalable. Manifesting desire through will, passion, imagination and intellect.

There's two types of enlightenment depending on which side of your brain is dominant; you can faithfully or agnostically forfeit your ego desires and perceptions, surrender to the present moment and dreamy hyperspace (warm creative right side), or you can nihilistically or agnostically indulge in the ego and the material world to the fullest extremes (cold analytical left side) and piss in the face of everything that dares get in your way. The latter is the way of the psychopath / wealthy elite, just maybe psychopaths are the only truly liberated and enlightened beings on the planet and we that follow the path of love are foolish dreamers. People have been ruthlessly conditioned with ideas of evil, sin, morals and fear of punishment because those at the top know; if the dim, obedient masses fearlessly knew this was just a playground and anything goes, then everything changes and those that can will take their slice of the pie at any cost. Right brained enlightenment is made difficult and frowned upon for the same reasons but on the other end of the spectrum, this time the worry for the elite is everybody becomes artists, hippies and gurus, then there is nobody to work the machines or fight the wars. (OK it's not that black and white but for the porpuse of making a point, yada yada yada!!) :D

To really understand people like Crowley I highly recommend reading the works of Christopher S Haytt, especially 'The Psychopaths Bible'. Haytt was a student of Israel Regardie and Regardie was a student of Crowley.

Actually, Haytt's excellent book 'Undoing Yourself' has a comic at the end in which he hints at what Crowley was really up too, and that's exactly what this thread is about. I'll convert the comic into jpegs and make a new thread about it. :D

[thirdwave]

What's the chances that Aleister Crowley won't find a way of returning to this plane or being invoked and not going away? I heard about a property that he owned some while ago that was had some sort of disturbance going on, I think it was one of the places where he performed some of his rituals.

why would he want to stick around here when he clearly showed a passion for being free from its restraints??..

Im sure he is Long gone from this place.

there was a film that Bruce Dickinson made about him possessing a teacher and coming back... it was a shite film though IMO.


*edit, just seen this was an old thread :)*

[eternal_spirit]

Crowley was obsesively promiscuous and never used contraceptives and has therefore probably got 1000's of descendants all over the world!


:eek: Yes and there's people you meet on forums who claim to be related. They know who they are.

[hagbard_celine]

:eek: Yes and there's people you meet on forums who claim to be related. They know who they are.

Somebody reckoned I look like him!:D

[eternal_spirit]

Somebody reckoned I look like him!:D

haha

Here is the thread from hell.
If you wanna learn something just read my posts and maybe some of souljas and few others - ignore the pro Crowley fan boys. It's like one of the many Freemason threads when the Masons come on troll sidetrack and twist things.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24416

[drael]

Twisted much?

Get some perspective.

Will it be pistols at sunset, or sabres at dawn?

Your older than me. Act ur age dude.

[eternal_spirit]

Twisted much?

Get some perspective.

Will it be pistols at sunset, or sabres at dawn?

Your older than me. Act ur age dude.


It got sent to the rantroom and the mods kindly de ranted it on request cleaned it up a bit. And I was called a fundy Christian many times (I'm not even religious) There was some obvious shilling and denial of facts.

Some of what I posted was random searches just to post as much varied info about the man as poss. It's shame it got trolled so badly in places (and name calling) it ruins the flow of info and makes difficult reading hence my previous post on this thread.

[thirdwave]

Just to intervene slightly here...

Now im not saying you are a christian ES...

But let me point this out...

if a person researches a subject and bases that research on the perspective created by teachings by a certain religion... then in a way you are being a christian....

you may not believe in Jesus... or worship him.. or you might just have your own take on it all...fair enough...

But for example.. If I say that MM is the anti Christ and is out to kill man kind....

then I would be coming from a CHRISTian perspective... because it was Christians who warned of an "Anti Christ" ... it was not drawn from mother natures teachings... and we did not know about him when we popped out from our mother.

ok, some people just use the words as they have been so used.... for example any occult practice that is negative is deemed by many as "satanic" ... when the evil act might have nothing to do with the worship or involvement of a being called Satan.... maybe a totally other being... or none at all...

or if an old religious group use a term Satan.. they might be coming from a pre christian time... where he was seen as something slightly different.. where if Satan was not there, then man as not punished for his sins as they were not noticed.

So to sum it up....

If we found out without a shadow of doubt that Crowley was an Evil man and a nasty despicable bit of work like many think and seme to want to think he was..... well fine, but it would still not mean he was a "Satanist" like christians would call him.... or that he worshipped the "anti Christ" ...so on..

it would mean that in his rituals he operated at the lower vibrations and allowed his being to become it.

So maybe if you don't want people to see you as a Christian sometimes... try scrapping the christian perspective and research... and come from a more individual angle where you apear more to be making judgements on what you feel is going down and what you see, rather than from old texts and religious faiths and views...

thats how I see it.

[ariel418]

Sometimes I have believed I was Crowley reincarnated.. whether or not that is true I don't know.. I know I have professed it to many people. Perhaps he has the way of making a lot of people believe he is reincarnated in them. I have no idea.. I don't speculate anymore.. I just believe what I believe there is no truth..

[marpat]

Sometimes I have believed I was Crowley reincarnated.. whether or not that is true I don't know.. I know I have professed it to many people. Perhaps he has the way of making a lot of people believe he is reincarnated in them. I have no idea.. I don't speculate anymore.. I just believe what I believe there is no truth..

Or it could be that in a previous life you have had some close personal connection with the man and think that this means you have been that person rather than an associate.

[lizzy]

haha

Here is the thread from hell.
If you wanna learn something just read my posts and maybe some of souljas and few others - ignore the pro Crowley fan boys. It's like one of the many Freemason threads when the Masons come on troll sidetrack and twist things.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24416


Within this thread, ES (again) brings us much indepth research.

I have just been reading it, took a while but was well worth it.

Highly recommended.

[blah]

I hope he does return, that would be helpful

[eternal_spirit]

I hope he does return, that would be helpful

In what way?

[sophia_h]

`

Crowley was not good or evil

He had the courage to go within and examine his own darker side.

stuffed in everyone of our dark side is good and evil
according to the effects our actions have had on others.

AND YE HARM NONE... and all that.

IMV Crowley has had a positive effect on millions
who were caused to examine their own INTENTS after
reading of his courage to do so and instructs on how
to proceed.

IF, and I know some claim so, Crowley has had an unpleasant
effect on some, perhaps those are more tightly holding down
their own shadow side.


IMV his energy is alive and well and probably in a new vehicle
and maye not wishing to reveal as he was so hounded by
narrow minds and fearful Souls in his last incarnation.


He/she may be seeking peace and quiet on a mountaintop
somewhere to assimilate all the energies he stirred up
last round!

The very energies he unleashed when he was here as Crowley
are still reverberating so he was one of the great phenoms.

Such are always misunderstood by many who are FEAR based
and often worshipped also by FEAR based who cant use his energy
as a Lucifer to Guide the Path but as a HANDED OUT RECIPE
for life for ones who cannot try lifes paths and retreat or go foward
on their own.

so detractors and worshippers alike have their own emotional needs
in forming their reactions to Crowley and any strong Spirited ones
who pass through here during their lives.

draw your own energies from Crowley and the like and leave the
rest for others ,
all without rancor or suppliance.

just use what gives you some light.


`

[blah]

I think Crowley is abit of a fire starter and a rebel, we need those types in the world, plus he understands the darker side of human nature.. I suppose hes a good man overall. I am not sure that his reputation matched what he truely was. Most evil man in the uk, I dont think so, I can think of much worse, he was a thinker.

[newdecades]

Within this thread, ES (again) brings us much indepth research.

I have just been reading it, took a while but was well worth it.

Highly recommended.

how do you know all that is true though?

[marpat]

I think Crowley is abit of a fire starter and a rebel, we need those types in the world, plus he understands the darker side of human nature.. I suppose hes a good man overall. I am not sure that his reputation matched what he truely was. Most evil man in the uk, I dont think so, I can think of much worse, he was a thinker.


Good post. One of the things that people often talk about in here is manipulation through the media in order to keep people down but then when the media of the day condemned Crowley as the wickedest man in the world many people just soak it up as if it were completely true. People are also too keen to believe any negative press about him when a lot of it was made with the express idea of demonising his views.

Often many of the things that are quoted were written just to upset people in the establishment. To some people any publicity is good publicity and Crowley tried to get people interested by making shock headlines.

[thirdwave]

I think Crowley is abit of a fire starter and a rebel, we need those types in the world, plus he understands the darker side of human nature.. I suppose hes a good man overall. I am not sure that his reputation matched what he truely was. Most evil man in the uk, I dont think so, I can think of much worse, he was a thinker.

when you think of the real evil in the world going on around his time... and yet he is the one who got the most evil man in the world tag?, this alone should highlight how much of his bad name was created by propaganda...

But it was not only religious people who liked to brand him as such, and not just a case of his dark sense of humour and willingness to shock... there is of course the fact that he was an arse hole :)

[elder_god]

when you think of the real evil in the world going on around his time... and yet he is the one who got the most evil man in the world tag?, this alone should highlight how much of his bad name was created by propaganda...

But it was not only religious people who liked to brand him as such, and not just a case of his dark sense of humour and willingness to shock... there is of course the fact that he was an arse hole :)

what krauli is or isn't it depends on what he realized. he was no ordinary man, so how good demon he was? :)
have you ever read his Liber 51?

[thirdwave]

what krauli is or isn't it depends on what he realized. he was no ordinary man, so how god demon he was? :)
have you ever read his Liber 51?

No not read that one... the most recent book on Crowley I am reading and am yet to finish is "The Magick of Aleister Crowley" ... written by Lon Milo Du Quette...

[elder_god]

thank you. i am asking all of the people here same question.

[marpat]

thank you. i am asking all of the people here same question.

The one about Atlantis.

Not read it yet but for anybody else here is a link

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib51.htm

Not much in it is there

[neverwas]

Makes me laugh when detractors make a big deal of his heoin addiction.In a time when it was prescribed by the chemist.For practically every ailment.None of them seem to mention that part.

[marpat]

Makes me laugh when detractors make a big deal of his heoin addiction.In a time when it was prescribed by the chemist.For practically every ailment.None of them seem to mention that part.

True, but they use it because it adds to his evil images:rolleyes:

[elder_god]

The one about Atlantis.

Not read it yet but for anybody else here is a link

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib51.htm

Not much in it is there

i think there is a lot about alchemy, but you like more magic? ;)
V.V.V.V.V. is pentagram with right side on the top. :cool:

[synergy777]

Absolutely, Crowley liberated himself from primitive morals and dogma and felt no guilt or shame in indulging in whatever he fancied. He used his mysterious, alluring, mystical reputation to seduce whoever he wanted to fuck in the name of magick, he persuaded wealthy idiots who where fascinated with the occult to fund his lifestyle when he ran out of cash, he was so charismatic and boldly confident he could entice people into doing what ever he wanted.

Crowley was a man of many talents, he had a genius mind until it was dulled with opiates later in life, but his real magick was he always followed his hearts desire no matter how dark or unacceptable it seemed to mindless drones who ridiculed him.

He really just used the same tricks as elite Jews have used to enslave the world, for some, this is what magick is all about, truly believing in yourself and your ability, preying on the stupidity of others without any useless guilt if need be, getting what you want; whatever the cost, using every tool avalable. Manifesting desire through will, passion, imagination and intellect.

There's two types of enlightenment depending on which side of your brain is dominant;

you can faithfully or agnostically forfeit your ego desires and perceptions, surrender to the present moment and dreamy hyperspace (warm creative right side),

or you can nihilistically or agnostically indulge in the ego and the material world to the fullest extremes (cold analytical left side) and piss in the face of everything that dares get in your way.

The latter is the way of the psychopath / wealthy elite, just maybe psychopaths are the only truly liberated and enlightened beings on the planet and we that follow the path of love are foolish dreamers. People have been ruthlessly conditioned with ideas of evil, sin, morals and fear of punishment

because those at the top know; if the dim, obedient masses fearlessly knew this was just a playground and anything goes, then everything changes and those that can will take their slice of the pie at any cost.

Right brained enlightenment is made difficult and frowned upon for the same reasons but on the other end of the spectrum, this time the worry for the elite is everybody becomes artists, hippies and gurus, then there is nobody to work the machines or fight the wars. (OK it's not that black and white but for the porpuse of making a point, yada yada yada!!) :D

To really understand people like Crowley I highly recommend reading the works of Christopher S Haytt, especially 'The Psychopaths Bible'. Haytt was a student of Israel Regardie and Regardie was a student of Crowley.

Actually, Haytt's excellent book 'Undoing Yourself' has a comic at the end in which he hints at what Crowley was really up too, and that's exactly what this thread is about. I'll convert the comic into jpegs and make a new thread about it. :D

thats one of the best views on enligtenment/elite i have read. the right hemisphere versus the left hemisphere. it also explains why the elite behave like like they do, after knowing what they know, hence their disregard for draconian religious doctrine etc.

maybe religion/occult religions are just opposames, and here to give us choice. maybe in the end, whether we behave good or evil doesn't matter, as an all powerful/wise god will forgive us anyway, will forgive all our sins. maybe we are here just to see what the limits of our goodness/evil are, to test ourselves, to see what we can create and experience. this could lead to anarchy, but it could also lead to true freedom.

maybe the elite know that in the end a good god will forgive all sins, and that this life is temporary, thus suffering is temporary, ergo you can do what you want. you can live freely, and use your will to manifest your desires/law of attraction etc.

it certainly answers alot of questions about life, god, gnostic philosophies etc.

i have only read a little about crowley, i think i will start to read more crowley, and ignore the hysteria attached to his teachings.

[endlessvista]

Well Crowley is reputed by some people to be Bush's grandfather. There's no definitive evidence is there?


No, but it looks pretty substantial when all factors are looked at.

[thirdwave]

No, but it looks pretty substantial when all factors are looked at.

like?

[runciter]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2127/2050905193_e97addcd91.jpg

[marpat]

Wow the evidence is just so compelling.

I have been told I look like Sylvester Stallone but I doubt I am related.

[marpat]

i think there is a lot about alchemy, but you like more magic? ;)
V.V.V.V.V. is pentagram with right side on the top. :cool:


You could use 5 A's as well

[runciter]

Wow the evidence is just so compelling.

I have been told I look like Sylvester Stallone but I doubt I am related.

i think it's a funny picture, i posted it because i like it.

[thirdwave]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2127/2050905193_e97addcd91.jpg

OK, so we have our evidence a couple of bush's mothers pics look a bit like Crowley!

game set and match!

*nods head in disbelief*

[synergy777]

thirdwave have you any crowley pdf's i can download.

[thirdwave]

thirdwave have you any crowley pdf's i can download.

You got mail.

[runciter]

OK, so we have our evidence a couple of bush's mothers pics look a bit like Crowley!

game set and match!

*nods head in disbelief*

i think there's something more, but i'm no expert on this subject.

[thirdwave]

i think there's something more, but i'm no expert on this subject.

Well like in Tsarions last video... "If in doubt,find out"

[runciter]

Well like in Tsarions last video... "If in doubt,find out"

i think on some matters there isn't a final, objective answer.

[elder_god]

You could use 5 A's as well

yes you can, but no meaning in them ;)))

[thirdwave]

i think on some matters there isn't a final, objective answer.

and when did you find that out?

[runciter]

and when did you find that out?

i asked lam yesterday night.

[metacomet]

You crowley worshippers are fucking strange.

Crowley wanted an evil persona and had no trouble owning his evil... he loved it. He loved to be evil. He loved to have sex, do drugs, manipulate others etc.

Crowley loved to be evil.

Yet all his worshippers now-a-days want to say he was a 'good man' etc. etc.

:rolleyes: Boggles the mind.

The man was a genius but he was never a 'good person'. The fact that the OTO and it's members try to polish his image etc. would make Crowley cringe.

Stop trying to be public relations officials for a man long dead. His writings speak for themself... his life speaks for itself...

yet everyone wants to speak for him.

[thirdwave]

You crowley worshippers are fucking strange.

Crowley wanted an evil persona and had no trouble owning his evil... he loved it. He loved to be evil. He loved to have sex, do drugs, manipulate others etc.

Crowley loved to be evil.

Not really.... Because he had often highlighted the downfalls of the actions of real evil people, and highlighted how they where fools who where only fucking there own being up.

And sex is not evil and neither are drugs...

the "evil" you talk of is simply been created by hear say and Christians miss quoting texts from his books (something they attack others of doing when there "evil" book is being exposed)... and yes the fact he did not give a shit what people who did not WANT to understand him thought.

I can honestly say that he is one of the most misunderstood people of all time, I will agree it was much down to his own doing for publicity, and also I can very much share his desire to wind up dogmatic religious people who throw venom at you for not following in their gods foot steps... you cant reason with them as they sling shit at you, so pissing them off is the next best thing and takes less effort. (ok not all of them, although allot of them back in those days)

From what I have read of him, in his own works and from other less bias peoples righting's of him, he was not evil one little bit... he was acentric, extreme and passionate... and yes not perfect... But if you are going to call someone "evil" then come on, you got to have something there to go on...

What did he do that was evil?? ... are you going by facts or "it was known".... "apparently" ... "some say" ..... "allegedly" ... texts?

show me some of his works that promote evil.

My main thing with this subject is how quick so many are to judge people they don't even understand.... when I read his stuff, the parts that "proved he was evil" just seemed too up front and blatant for me to except they come from such an influential and smart man... And I was right as he was not about promoting evil... and in fact his works are liberating and all about freedom for all... Now, maybe some may not agree with his over all practice and behaviour that's up to them... but if we are to go on his vision and motive then I cant for the life of me work out how he could have been evil... and if he was then I think Evil has turned into an odd word, because as far as I know freedom is not one of evils tools.


Yet all his worshippers now-a-days want to say he was a 'good man' etc. etc.

you can take inspiration and have respect for someone without worshipping them... He is no Guru of mine and I don't follow in his foot steps, but he is a figure head that pops up with much relevant information and this is why he as well as many modern Authors are attacked.... which Is why its important for his true works to be highlighted... and not smeared and brushed under the mat by dogmatic religious groups and people who think he worshipped something that he pretty much exposed.

The man was a genius but he was never a 'good person'. The fact that the OTO and it's members try to polish his image etc. would make Crowley cringe.

Why was he not a good person?

Im not saying he was a saint, but I do not know what he did that made him not a good person? .... are we good people?.. why is he worse than us?

Stop trying to be public relations officials for a man long dead. His writings speak for them self... his life speaks for itself...

Exactly!.. and Im going by his righting's.... I do not find sex evil, I do not find denying the gods of organised religious evil... nor is human liberation and freedom evil...

yet everyone wants to speak for him.

No, its to educate people who have made a judgement based on the amazing amounts of bull shit written about him rather than doing what you say and read his own works and what they mean.

unless people can read such works objectively and look at the parts they don't want to look at, they will never move on...simple as that... for a number of reasons.

[thirdwave]

i asked lam yesterday night.

How did he find out?

[runciter]

How did he find out?

he asked the duck rabbit

http://locus.cwrl.utexas.edu/jbrown/files/wittgenstein_duck_rabbit.jpg

[runciter]

Why was he not a good person?


rofl.. he would kick you in the ass!

[thirdwave]

rofl.. he would kick you in the ass!

why?

[runciter]

why?

why not?

[thirdwave]

why not?

because I would kick him back?

[runciter]

well done!

then he would kick you again.

[thirdwave]

well done!

then he would kick you again.


Why?

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdwave http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=813358#post813358)
Why was he not a good person?
rofl.. he would kick you in the ass!

He'd prob wanna do you in the ass and serve the aftermath on a plate, or smear on a sigil to attract demons.

[metacomet]

:rolleyes:

Crowley was never misunderstood. He loved magick, loved sex, loved drugs, and loved combining all of those things in dark ways . He did not apologize for this yet his 'fans' are constantly trying to excuse Crowley for his actions and philosophy.

Crowley named HIMSELF the beast, called HIMSELF evil,

and the fact that people to this day call him 'misunderstood' highlights that he is just another 'hero' figure to people.

If you think sex and drugs are not 'evil' when used in certain context you are a perfect example of the non-thinking, non-discriminating person that Crowley loved to manipulate. He had them following him in droves.

Just because something is anti-religion does not make it noble. Or right.

True evil and 'wrongness' do exist. Crowley would spit in your face had you tried to argue otherwise.

[thirdwave]

:rolleyes:

Crowley was never misunderstood.

of course, he cleary was the most wicked man in the world :rolleyes:

He loved magick, loved sex, loved drugs, and loved combining all of those things in dark ways .

I have loved all of those as well but im not evil... and define "evil ways"? ... Im just interested to know what you have come across of his which is "evil" and discuss it....

He did not apologize for this yet his 'fans' are constantly trying to excuse Crowley for his actions and philosophy.

He took people to court for calling him a Black Magician ..what do you mean he did not apologize for it? ...

this is what Im talking about...
what is "IT"?


Crowley named HIMSELF the beast, called HIMSELF evil,
LOL, 666 is the nuumber of the heart chakra, is is a sun symbol... it is NOT the number of the Beast (Devil) the reason he called him self it was because his Christian mother used to call him that when he was naughty as a child.


here...


Hilbery: cross-examining Crowley for the Defense) Are you asking for damages because your reputation has suffered?
Crowley: Yes.
Hilbery: For how many years you have been publicly denounced as the worst man in the world?
Crowley: Only by the lowest kind of newspaper.
Hilbery: Did any paper call you "the Monster of Wickedness"?
Crowley: I can't remember.
Hilbery: Have you, from the time of your adolescence, openly defied all moral convention?
Crowley: No.
Hilbery: And proclaimed your contempt for all the documents of Christianity?
Crowley: Not all the doctrines...
Hilbery: Did you take to yourself the designation of The Beast 666?
Crowley: Yes.
Hilbery: Do you call yourself The Master Therion?
Crowley: Yes.
Hilbery: What does Therion mean?
Crowley: Great Wild Beast.
Hilbery: Do these titles convey a fair expression of your practice and outlook on life?
Crowley: "The Beast 666" only means 'sunlight'. You can call me "Little Sunshine."
(Laughter in the court)



and the fact that people to this day call him 'misunderstood' highlights that he is just another 'hero' figure to people.

You seem an intelligent person so I will just advise you now... like the man or dislike him... find his works inspiring find them drab.... he was not a Satanist.. he was not a self proclaimed evil person.. and his mission was not to push evil.... I advice you to do deeper research on the man and leave the mainstream views of him to the mains stream...

Its not only Crowley who gets targeted he just liked the attention, but many people in that kind of stuff are targeted by people.

If you think sex and drugs are not 'evil' when used in certain context you are a perfect example of the non-thinking, non-discriminating person that Crowley loved to manipulate. He had them following him in droves.

you can say anything is bad for you if done with negative intent.... if you rape someone physically or mentally then it is negative... if you express your love and desire for another human which willily expresses them self back to you in any shape of form, then it is positive... hence good.

Drugs have there advantages dealing with oppressed and drugged minds that are victimised by society, Crowley new this all right, but the only reason he was involved to start with what he (like many back in that day) was prescribed Heroin.

Just because something is anti-religion does not make it noble. Or right.

true, it depends on why it was anti religion that determines how noble it was....

True evil and 'wrongness' do exist. Crowley would spit in your face had you tried to argue otherwise.

lol, sorry, utter rubbish.... while I would not book my self a holliday with Crowley or leave him to look after my house while I went away.... He was genuine in what he did... Im not bothered what he would think of me as I would not seek his aproval anyway.... he provided his books for people like my self to read ....

when have I said evil does not exist or wrongness does not exsist....?

My argument is that you have said he was "Evil" and that he admited and promoted being "evil" ...

Well just provide me with some of his works that clearly show him offering this.... and feel free to expalin to me how its evil and what it is doing...

I am open to what you are saying but like to research this and not just say it.

what's books (paragraphs) are you referring to?

you see, look at me. Im making this big fuss about him...why?, because I am being challenged every time I say that he was not an evil man... and was not about preaching evil.... all I ask is for clarification on this and why he wrote so much works that have not inspired me with evil.... I could keep quite and roll my eyes when everyone does it.... but it interests me to provoke the reactions...

You just seem like you are content on judging him from the hear say and mainstream media projection of him...

I am more than aware he had his perversions and flaws in his character... his closest friends have expressed this... I am saying if you are going to call someone "Evil" or "The Wickedist man in the world" well then lets see what you got on him.

[runciter]

and the footnote about child sacrifice is only an innocent good man's joke :)

[eternal_spirit]

and the footnote about child sacrifice is only an innocent good man's joke :)
So, if one of the other names Crowley used for himself was Frater Perdurabo read this quote below and it will become clear.

From The Magick, in Paris, France:

"...it was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal , and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly. The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape...For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim." (Magick, by Master Therion, published in 1929 by the Lecram Press, Paris, France)

A footnote on p. 95 says: "(4) It appears from the Magical Records of Frater Perdurabo that he made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928.

Not many people at the time he wrote this would know that Crowley used other names for himself.

[thirdwave]

and the footnote about child sacrifice is only an innocent good man's joke :)


This is it, you guys go on about that where he was talking about the anciant magicians who used to do animal and human sacfrice... (which is no worse than anything said in the OT) and you make out this means he is some child killer even when in the foot notes it is pointed out that he does not promote such things, it is your choice to not believe it, even though nothing anywhere else in his works does he promote such acts.. of course we all know that he promoted sex magick though....

but your right, with that page he was talking about how he sacrifices 150 kids a year... meaning he would have sacrificed around 2400 children and that was just prior to the book. He was of course talking about spanking the monkey but you believe what you like :)


here is the foot note you are talking about, you can also to to the links he referenced in other books describing the "Rituals" where you can find out its a sex thing... with no death involved.


There is a traditional saying that whenever an Adept seems to have made a straightforward, comprehensible statement, then is it most certain that He means something entirely different. The Truth is nevertheless clearly set forth in His Words: it is His simplicity that baffles the unworthy. I have chosen the expressions in this Chapter in such a way that it is likely to mislead those magicians who allow selfish interests to cloud their intelligence, but to give useful hints to such as are bound by the proper Oaths to devote their powers to legitimate ends. "...thou hast no right but to do thy will." "It is a lie, this folly against self." The radical error of all uninitiates is that they define "self" as irreconcilably opposed to "not-self." Each element of oneself is, on the contrary, sterile and without meaning, until it fulfils itself, by "love under will", in its counterpart in the Macrocosm. To separate oneself from others is to destroy oneself; the way to realize and to extend oneself is to lose that self --- its sense of separateness --- in the other. Thus: Child plus food: this does not preserve one at the expense of the other; it "destroys" or rather changes both in order to fulfil both in the result of the operation --- a grown man. It is in fact impossible to preserve anything as it is by positive action upon it. Its integrity demands inaction; and inaction, resistance to change, is stagnation, death and dissolution due to the internal putrefaction of the starved elements.

of course another thing that made it all very amusing was that had he openly talked about sex rituals, the books would have been banned... talk about Human and Animal sacrifice and it was ok! LOL!

[runciter]

he was obviously a good man, full of empathy and compassion :o

[thirdwave]

he was obviously a good man, full of empathy and compassion :o

listen mate, Im not looking for a guru who shit smells of roses.. thats your job...

First of all you don't WANT him to be a good man.. its not that you dont think he is .... I have only ever pointed out his reputation and image has been polluted by the MSM and idiots, and that his relevant works have been misunderstood and over looked as a result.. much stuff he went on about people think they are discovering today.

I never met him so I don't know if he was a good man or not....I have no reason to think he is evil...

and you are a one to talk with your God who had his son slaughtered on the cross as a sacrifice for man kind,.. wonderful chap :rolleyes:

[metacomet]

First of all you don't WANT him to be a good man..

It's irrelevant what we 'want'. The man called himself evil on a daily basis.

What's your problem, bro? The man called himself evil yet you claim we are throwing a bucket of paint on his reputation for acknowledging what he wanted ?
I have only ever pointed out his reputation and image has been polluted by the MSM and idiots, and that his relevant works have been misunderstood and over looked as a result..

You and everyone else.

All 'masters' are misunderstood by laymen. So what?

He still called himself evil on a daily basis. He is not 'misunderstood'. He has the reputation he wanted to create.


I never met him so I don't know if he was a good man or not....I have no reason to think he is evil...

No reason to think he's evil?

If Aleister walked up to you and told you to your face "I am evil and I deal with demons."

What would you do? "Oh you silly rascal Aleister! I know you're just kidding *poke in the ribs*."



and you are a one to talk with your God who had his son slaughtered on the cross as a sacrifice for man kind,.. wonderful chap :rolleyes:
Yes yes, we all hate God and Jesus and Religion. Phooey on them. :rolleyes:

Always this card gets pulled.

'You dirty Christian how dare you judge me.'

Who is judging you?

Who said they're Christian?

Your fanaticism towards Crowley is clouding your judgement. Just like it clouds everyone elses... the Antoine Levey mainiacs etc... totally incapable of being objective when it comes to their cult heros.

[eternal_spirit]

The classic prototype of such an egregore is Baphomet, the alleged
egregore of the Templars, who was worshipped in the form of a bust.

An `egregore' is a magical entity that is artificially created by
the focused thoughts and desires of a medium (analogous in many ways
to Tibetan tulpas and the Golems of kabbalisitc/Cabalistic Judaism) Supposedly a medium or statue could then serve
as a tenant for the egregore, nourished by the sexual life-powers of
the members.

The blood (or excrements) attract the
spirits/demons while the sperm keeps them alive.



Crowley played around with different sexmagickal methods. One of
the OTO's secrets is the adoration of the idol Baphomet of the old
Templars. While the splinter-group, the Fraternitas Saturni
definitely tried (and still tries) to incarnate Baphomet in flesh,
Quote:

Crowley's VIII.(degree) unveiled the "pupil" that masturbating on a sigil
of a demon or meditating upon the image of a phallus would bring
power or communication with a (or one's own) divine being/Super
Ego. The IX. labelled heterosexual intercourse where the sexual
secrets were sucked out of the vagina and when not consumed (when
considered holy) put on a sigil to attract this or that demon to
fullfill the pertinent wish/order. In his "Emblems and Mode of
Use" Crowley describes the method of how to smear sperm on a
talisman/sigil in order to attract for example money.

[eternal_spirit]

According to one source, Crowley resided in the Abbey of Thelema near Cefalu Sicily, and revived ancient Dionysian ceremonies. During a 1921 ritual, he induced a he-goat to copulate with his mistress, then slit the animal's throat at the moment of orgasm.

similar story as in about animal scarifice

On Jan. 20, 2007, weeks before the strange message, a pregnant goat was found dead near the Okaloosa-Walton County line. It had been raped by a man, tests showed.

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/goa...rick_call.html (http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/goats_10112___article.html/broderick_call.html)

[thirdwave]

It's irrelevant what we 'want'. The man called himself evil on a daily basis.


now your loosing me.


What's your problem, bro? The man called himself evil yet you claim we are throwing a bucket of paint on his reputation for acknowledging what he wanted ?

where did he call him self evil, can you put me in the picture here?



He still called himself evil on a daily basis. He is not 'misunderstood'. He has the reputation he wanted to create.

again I have no idea what your talking about... if you want be to "Get it" you need to show me what you mean?...

then I can look at what you are saying.



If Aleister walked up to you and told you to your face "I am evil and I deal with demons."

What would you do? "Oh you silly rascal Aleister! I know you're just kidding *poke in the ribs*."

I would think its quite odd him saying such a thing and would be interested to know where he was coming from....

And probably learn that when a person who thinks that Christianity is ignorantly researched documents then I would not expect him to use words within Christian context... Hence the word Demon Pre Christianity was not a word used for evil things... it simply meant spirits... Angels...

if you do not do this home work then its easy to not get the guy, just as you dont, im not your teacher here to give you home work, But Im not going to bite my lip and agree with you.

Like I say, I am yet to hear him admit to be evil and admit to pushing evil...so on... so if you have then by all means educate me, I will keep an open mind to anything you put forward and take a good look at it.



Yes yes, we all hate God and Jesus and Religion. Phooey on them. :rolleyes:

speak for your self, I have no hate for them.. just frustration at the lies and the ignorance they have created over a long time.

And it is foolish to imply that not respecting religion means you have no interest in God.

Always this card gets pulled.

Thats because its relevant.... ignorance does not rule our relevance Im afraid.

'You dirty Christian how dare you judge me.'
I would never use those words and it was not where Crowley was coming from either... How about you actualy do some research before trying to teach me something I can see you clearly have know clue about?

Who is judging you?

Im not talking about me.... that's is what you are now doing... I was talking about Crowley.

But you appear to be judging me now.

But if you want to talk about eachother I will tell you, You just cant talk to people like you because you dont even bother to do genuine research on things... you set your mind set and what you want to belive and look for things to reassure it.... hence never really learn anything, though feel safe and secure in your tunnel....

Someone comes along and ventures past your white lines and you dont like it... and you cant even tell them what you don't like about it because you have not even been there! ... you just don't like feeling like your in a tunnel, which you are..

that's just truth right there what I said by the way.


Who said they're Christian?

I have not said you where one and am getting quite confused .... My references to Christians where because they don't like Crowley and his Christian mother gave him the name 666 the beast.... what are you going on about Christians for??

Your fanaticism towards Crowley is clouding your judgement. Just like it clouds everyone elses... the Antoine Levey mainiacs etc... totally incapable of being objective when it comes to their cult heros.

If you want to see me that way then go for it, if it makes your state of mind feel more secure, ...wont bother me, Its just I would not expect to learn much about what other think of him if you are to busy creating their view points.

[coco]

<<Barbra Bush was the ugly duckling of her family, her brothers and sisters were pretty.>>


Oh?

http://i43.tinypic.com/2wcqtye.jpg

[eternal_spirit]

Ohh la la @ pic ^^^

"According to Ron Jr., his father considered himself to be the one 'who came after'; that he was Crowley's successor; that he had taken on the mantle of the 'Great Beast'. He told him that Scientology actually began on December the Ist, 1947. This was the day Aleister Crowley died."

Hubbard and Black Magick

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53929

[thirdwave]

<<Barbra Bush was the ugly duckling of her family, her brothers and sisters were pretty.>>


Oh?

http://i43.tinypic.com/2wcqtye.jpg


I would :)

[coco]

I would :)

Daddy Bush did! :D

[thirdwave]

Daddy Bush did! :D

well to be fair who ever did, how would they know they were Rogering a reptile demon human set to destroy humanity! :)

(scary thing is thats probebly what she is! :o )

[coco]

I doubt she did.

[thirdwave]

I doubt she did.

that is actually a good question, I have often wondered at what point these people join in on this agenda... do they have a choice? ... I don't believe people are born bad...

[metacomet]

“I was not content to believe in a personal devil and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff.”

“Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people.”

“The pious pretense that evil does not exist only makes it vague, enormous and menacing.”

Aleister Crowley


This man would not give a fuck less that you are defending his moral character on a message board. Honestly.

So why do you do it?

Morality was an illusion to Aleister.

All ethics, including religion, were a joke to Aleister and is a joke to most satanists.

Therefore defending his moral character makes no sense to me whatsoever. It wouldn't make any sense to him either. He would assume the same thing I do, that all the defense of his morality etc. is another form of hero worship.

[eternal_spirit]

I've been round in circles with TW on many threads about AC, and the amount of evidence I've provided and he still doesn't get it, it beggars belief.

Where the hell is Marpat anyhow, he would usually be here by now:confused:

[metacomet]

I've been round in circles with TW on many threads about AC, and the amount of evidence I've provided and he still doesn't get it, it beggars belief.

Where the hell is Marpat anyhow, he would usually be here by now:confused:

I totally get where OTO members etc. are coming from.

Magick is real... it offers real 'benefits'... it's an interesting topic to study.

Never the less all of this moral relativism bullshit is really sad to witness.

It shows true naivety and ignorance to believe in others. To believe in Aliester Crowley, to believe in G.W. Bush... to believe in anyone .

When we say that Aleister is evil - it's because Aleister named himself the most evil man in the world. Aleister relished that term.

Yes, the Christian world is 'spooked' by Satanists - therefore they think everyone in the world doesn't 'get it'. They think we are all just 'spooked' about Satanism because of our Christian beliefs etc.

:rolleyes: I totally 'get it'.

[thirdwave]

“I was not content to believe in a personal devil and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff.”

ahh so at least we have some texts...yes I have read his life book, are you not going to mention that fact he was talking about when he turned his back on the chruch?

his refrence to the devil was from the perspective of how the chruch would deem his actions... if you had read his works properly other than a quick sift through google you would learn that he did not belive the Devil to be a real being :rolleyes:


"The Devil does not exist. It is a false name invented by the Black Brothers to imply a Unity in their ignorant muddle of dispersions. A devil who had unity would be a God... 'The Devil' is, historically, the God of any people that one personally dislikes... This serpent, SATAN, is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade 'Know Thyself!' and taught Initiation. He is 'The Devil' of the Book of Thoth, and His emblem is BAPHOMET
:rolleyes:


“Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people.”
Wise words which I agree with %100 .... ar you implying people that act diforent and become inspired by different things are evil?

my word, no wonder you think he is evil lol, you don't happen to be a Boy Zone fan do you?


“The pious pretense that evil does not exist only makes it vague, enormous and menacing.”

Im glad you quoted that... here have the rest..

The pious pretence that evil does not exist only makes it vague, enormous and menacing. Its overshadowing formlessness obsesses the mind. The way to beat an enemy is to define him clearly, to analyse and measure him. Once an idea is intelligently grasped, it ceases to threaten the mind with the terrors of the unknown.

ok, well go on... explain to me where he has admitted to being evil (every day) and why on earth you think this comment is "evil"?



This man would not give a fuck less that you are defending his moral character on a message board. Honestly.

So why do you do it?

If this is the case or not I do not really care... but Im not sure what the relevance in that is.. Im not trying to do the guy a favour I am presenting truth regardless of how he would like me or not... One thing I do know, he would respect the little intelligence I have in expressing the matter than the unfocused and uneducated scathing you are doing...



Morality was an illusion to Aleister.

Actually it was all an illusion... although you are simply Choosing to dislike him ... as its what you want... which is fair enough, but I often wonder why your kind try so passionately to pass the bullshit it to others?

Every man and every woman is a star.

I admit that my visions can never mean to other men as much as they do to me. I do not regret this. All I ask is that my results should convince seekers after truth that there is beyond doubt something worth while seeking, attainable by methods more or less like mine. I do not want to father a flock, to be the fetish of fools and fanatics, or the founder of a faith whose followers are content to echo my opinions. I want each man to cut his own way through the jungle.

"Do What Thou Wilt"...is the apotheosis of Freedom; but it is also the strictest possible bond - A. C.

Whatever your sexual predilections may be, you are free, by the Law of Thelema, to be the star you are, to go your own way rejoicing. It is not indicated here in this text, though it is elsewhere implied, that only one symptom warns that you have mistaken your True Will, and that is, if you should imagine that in pursuing your way you interfere with that of another star. It may, therefore, be considered improper, as a general rule, for your sexual gratification to destroy, deform, or displease any other star. Mutual consent to the act is the condition thereof - A. C. (The Law Is For All)



All ethics, including religion, were a joke to Aleister and is a joke to most satanists.

lol, well you would know as you are clearly clued up on these things...


Therefore defending his moral character makes no sense to me whatsoever. It wouldn't make any sense to him either. He would assume the same thing I do, that all the defense of his morality etc. is another form of hero worship.

lol, I think if I started to make sense to you then I would have taken a wrong turn, big time...

lol... Im not getting stuck in another thread like this.... good luck!

:rolleyes:

[thirdwave]

I've been round in circles with TW on many threads about AC, and the amount of evidence I've provided and he still doesn't get it, it beggars belief.

Where the hell is Marpat anyhow, he would usually be here by now:confused:

Yes I know about your evidence ES, lol...

you guys have a good time in there...

laterz...

[eternal_spirit]

The evidence produced by the prosecution is better than the defences evidence lol.


http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/PHC/PHC008/73346731.jpg

[metacomet]

The evidence produced by the prosecution is better than the defences evidence lol.


http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/PHC/PHC008/73346731.jpg

All I know is Crowley named himself the most evil man in the world.

Named himself the great beast 666.

Gave himself the reputation and title of being 'evil'.

What business is it of mine to prove what the man was? Know a man by his deeds. He dealt with lower dimensionals and practice blood ritual and sex magick. *shrug* Therefore I know the man to be left-handed.

[runciter]

First of all you don't WANT him to be a good man..


he didn't want it himself, despite your self-hypnosis.

[thirdwave]

All I know is Crowley named himself the most evil man in the world.

Well if that's all you "know" then you got work to do because that information is quite simply FALSE.

it was the mainstream media who branded him that name... admittedly did not do much to argue with them, but are you implying doing so would have been effective? :rolleyes:

Named himself the great beast 666.

lol, Becuase it was given to him by his Christian mother, and because people like you dont even know what it means are don't bother to find out... even though you will scathe at it.

Gave himself the reputation and title of being 'evil'.

We see then, that we can never affect anything outside ourselves save only as it is also within us. Whatever I do to another, I also do to myself. If I kill a man, I destroy my own life at the same time...Every vibration awakens all others of its particular pitch - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

Really?... why do people who like his books not think he is evil?? lol

You have already expressed how you find it odd or silly that his fans defend him, has the penny not dropped yet? lol

What business is it of mine to prove what the man was? Know a man by his deeds.

Exactly! ... and extremely hypocritical of you.

He dealt with lower dimensionals and practice blood ritual and sex magick.

Yes.. does not mean he was evil and the most wicked man in the world... :rolleyes: .. the lower dimensions are constantly effecting us every day.

he also dealt with the higher dimensions.

My adepts stand upright, their heads above the heavens, their feet below the hells - A. C. (Liber XC)



*shrug* Therefore I know the man to be left-handed.

I think the shrug is the only thing that made sense in that post...

You can think what you like, but if you have such a strong opinion on someone would it not be more fruitful to have actually done more in depth research into someone who has obviously been inspirational to many good and successful people in the world?

your choice...

[runciter]

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/LamSm.jpg

typical higher dimensional creature

[thirdwave]

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/LamSm.jpg

typical higher dimensional creature

pity people did not pay attention when this mysterious entity popped up.

Do you think this might prove the "greys" are something very real?

[thirdwave]

anyway just because its a dead morning Im not going to spend it confronting ignorance.

laterz.

[runciter]

Really?... why do people who like his books not think he is evil?? lol


self-deception.

or maybe they know he was a sick man,

but they're still trying to re-program others to think he was "good".

[runciter]

pity people did not pay attention when this mysterious entity popped up.

Do you think this might prove the "greys" are something very real?

no.

[metacomet]

self-deception.

or maybe they know he was a sick man,

but they're still trying to re-program others to think he was "good".

They're just allergic to the world 'evil' really.

Crowley was not a 'good' man. He was a great magician. He was a shit person.

To defend him, as I said already, is hero worship :) Not only would crowley not want to be defended, he would see the need to defend him as hero worship. Despicable in his opinion. Just another form of religion.

[thirdwave]

They're just allergic to the world 'evil' really.

Crowley was not a 'good' man. He was a great magician. He was a shit person.

To defend him, as I said already, is hero worship :) Not only would crowley not want to be defended, he would see the need to defend him as hero worship. Despicable in his opinion. Just another form of religion.


ok for argument sake, lets say he was a shit person but a great magican and very clued up.... is that not a value that is worth anything?

this is it, we can argue about what kind of person he is.. you think he was evil I think he was hyped...

But the bottom line is can we not learn anything from evil people anyway?.. even if they are powerful?

does not mean we follow in their footsteps... but learn how to use to neet tools.

[metacomet]

I heard Einstein used to stand naked by the window during snowstorms.

That isn't 'sane' but the mane was a genius. Therefore... it's irrelevant to his work.

Crowley did things that were incredibly twisted morally... he did things that were 'insane'... but aren't all of these things relevant to his work?

Blood ritual is insane and morally wrong (in my opinion... lol). It's still interesting... and relevant because it's going on all the time (war). Therefore the morals and sanity of a person who investigates such issues are irrelevant I agree.

Silly argument altogether.

[thirdwave]

Blood ritual is insane and morally wrong (in my opinion... lol). It's still interesting... and relevant because it's going on all the time (war). Therefore the morals and sanity of a person who investigates such issues are irrelevant I agree.


For me it depends.. obviously the blood of innocent people is obviously wrong... and there are no doubt people do this crazy shit.. and yes I think many blood rituals are done without people even knowing..

But if there is something to it and you decide to use your own blood for a good ritual... then who is anyone to tell that person not to?... I think in most case you draw blood because it heightens the conciousness the sharp pain and also the subtle shock the body goes into when it draws blood.. even a tiny nick. You adsorb more of the ritual when in this altered state... this is the same with sex... and other methods.. it is all about putting a desire or a vision into your head, because they believed that your mind is what creates the magick anyway... so its like a mind art... using many methods to learn to control it and to bury things deep within it.

this is why if you are not read up and thoroughly clued up about it all, and not responsible, you could really fuck your head up... like a person who does not know much about computers can fuck his PC up.

I believe the PTB want people to be lousy programmers and want them to fear the concept of uploading and downloading.... and that's pretty much what it is... how we do it is our choice.

[lawrence_connor]

Frater Perdurabo Rocks! :cool:

[marpat]

:rolleyes:

Crowley was never misunderstood. He loved magick, loved sex, loved drugs, and loved combining all of those things in dark ways . He did not apologize for this yet his 'fans' are constantly trying to excuse Crowley for his actions and philosophy.

Crowley named HIMSELF the beast, called HIMSELF evil,

and the fact that people to this day call him 'misunderstood' highlights that he is just another 'hero' figure to people.

If you think sex and drugs are not 'evil' when used in certain context you are a perfect example of the non-thinking, non-discriminating person that Crowley loved to manipulate. He had them following him in droves.

Just because something is anti-religion does not make it noble. Or right.

True evil and 'wrongness' do exist. Crowley would spit in your face had you tried to argue otherwise.

Actually his mother kept calling him that so he took it as a label.

So where are the droves of Crowley followers? the OTO is hardly overflowing with members and the AA even less.

Fair enough the man did have a lot of bad points but so what, is anybody above wrong doing in this world?

[marpat]

“I was not content to believe in a personal devil and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff.”

“Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people.”

“The pious pretense that evil does not exist only makes it vague, enormous and menacing.”

Aleister Crowley


This man would not give a fuck less that you are defending his moral character on a message board. Honestly.

So why do you do it?

Morality was an illusion to Aleister.

All ethics, including religion, were a joke to Aleister and is a joke to most satanists.

Therefore defending his moral character makes no sense to me whatsoever. It wouldn't make any sense to him either. He would assume the same thing I do, that all the defense of his morality etc. is another form of hero worship.

Morality is illusory in reality. Your moral behaviour is nothing but a set uf rules and regulations imposed by the herd in order to conform to an agreed herd pattern.

Another thing you have to consider is that some thing he wrote early on do not fit well with what he wrote later due to changes in character, which is part of inner unfoldment. In his early days he had a bad attitude towards women but later on began to develop a magical system based on Goddes worship. People change so it is not possible to take quotes from one of his books and act as if that same statement was true for his entire life.

[marpat]

I heard Einstein used to stand naked by the window during snowstorms.

That isn't 'sane' but the mane was a genius. Therefore... it's irrelevant to his work.

Crowley did things that were incredibly twisted morally... he did things that were 'insane'... but aren't all of these things relevant to his work?

Blood ritual is insane and morally wrong (in my opinion... lol). It's still interesting... and relevant because it's going on all the time (war). Therefore the morals and sanity of a person who investigates such issues are irrelevant I agree.

Silly argument altogether.


Funny you should mention this because Icke is pals with a zulu shaman and animal sacrifice is actually part of their rituals. You would think he would tell his friend to stop feeding the reptoids.

[thirdwave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-dQRVnepQ&feature=channel_page

this guy is really into Crowley... very cool to listen to him read the texts although he does come across like a bit or a religious nut him self as if Crowley was his guru..... but he has an interesting you tube channel for anyone who wants to learn about him them sevles...

[nofuture]

http://www.behutetmagazine.com/images/covers/beh_33.jpg

Does anyone out there have this magazine?

[torus]

I read an article last week that the villian in the latest Sherlock Holmes movie is "Crowley".

[thirdwave]

I read an article last week that the villian in the latest Sherlock Holmes movie is "Crowley".

No, just an evil occultist.... or rather... (well wont spoil the plot)

[torus]

No, just an evil occultist.... or rather... (well wont spoil the plot)


help a brother out here...in your opinion, IS it worth slapping down a few bucks to see the film?

[david numen]

I posted this on another thread a while back but this might be of interest here.

My brother-in-law is Spanish and had a major heart attack a couple of years ago. He later told of what sounds like a standard NDE where a couple of people were on "the other side" beckoning him...one was his wife's late grandmother and another a man he didn't know. Some time later one of his daughters was online and reading an article about the Beatles and the Sgt Pepper album was on screen - he pointed to the pic of Crowley and said that was the guy he saw.

Although he lived in Britain for 20 years he is really not that culturally aware and wouldn't know of Crowley so I found it rather bizarre.

[the cosmos]

That could be anything. I was readig some of the Ra material on the David Wilcocks site that states Crowley is presently within the earths inner levels undergoing a healing phase. The Ra source also stated Crowley was a positive entity.

He is not the bad guy from Harry Potter you know.. You every read any of his books or perhaps his diaries?

You can always find an interdimensional portal interview with him here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQUHE_C28WQ

[thirdwave]

help a brother out here...in your opinion, IS it worth slapping down a few bucks to see the film?

it was hyped up quite allot, for me it did not live up to the hype, but still a decent enough film.. nothing ground braking though.. who ever wrote the story was very much making implications to a few conspiracy subjects regarding secret societies...

[reflectioneternal]

I read an article last week that the villian in the latest Sherlock Holmes movie is "Crowley".

No, just an evil occultist.... or rather... (well wont spoil the plot)

The villian is based on Crowley. It's very obvious too. I decided to have a little Google when I'd got back from the film and within minutes found this interview with the actor Mark Strong who plays his character, Lord Blackwood:

First and fourth question:
http://www.metro.co.uk/showbiz/interviews/807075-sherlock-holmes-star-mark-strong-i-love-being-the-villain

[thirdwave]

The villian is based on Crowley. It's very obvious too. I decided to have a little Google when I'd got back from the film and within minutes found this interview with the actor Mark Strong who plays his character, Lord Blackwood:

First and fourth question:
http://www.metro.co.uk/showbiz/interviews/807075-sherlock-holmes-star-mark-strong-i-love-being-the-villain


I think Torus meant the character was actually Crowley, which it was not, it was Lord Blackwood.

[nightwriterk]

have you ever wondered if Crowley is still alive?

His secretary Israel Regardie, near the end of his life, realized that the philosopher's stone was a real thing and began doing research on it. But, alas! It was too late and he croaked before he had a chance to figure it all out. That's the story.

You don't suppose that Crowley - as absolutely amazing as he was - did figure it out?

Hmmm....

It's something I wonder about from time to time.

Something else, too - in the Montauk Project books by Moon that I read (excellent series - I highly recommend them), there were some very strange experiments going on there involving hyper-conductors. Crowley was a part of that.

[thelonious]

Crowley died at his residence in Hastings, England in 1947. His remains were cremated, and spread in a wooded area in New Jersey by Grady McMurtry, one of the then-leaders of the American branch of the O.T.O.

Crowley did not believe the individual ego, as it was, survived he experienced of death, nor did he believe it should, as it would retard spiritual evolution. It was the "higher self" that lived on, of which the individual Aleister Crowley was a temporary material manifestation.

have you ever wondered if Crowley is still alive?

His secretary Israel Regardie, near the end of his life, realized that the philosopher's stone was a real thing and began doing research on it. But, alas! It was too late and he croaked before he had a chance to figure it all out. That's the story.

You don't suppose that Crowley - as absolutely amazing as he was - did figure it out?

Hmmm....

It's something I wonder about from time to time.

Something else, too - in the Montauk Project books by Moon that I read (excellent series - I highly recommend them), there were some very strange experiments going on there involving hyper-conductors. Crowley was a part of that.

[j35p3r4d0]

early quote: (in regards to good an evil)

they seem to be human concepts designed to restrict free thought but that's just my opinion.

what about negative and positive? You're a hype man for thinking what you want to. Step past it.

Crowley Is a good spirit, and yeah, he's around somewhere

[noewhan]

From what I see, he always talks about love and such. But love for what? The 'God' he believs in? Marpat would dissagree and suggest that the writings of a liar can be trusted.
So he summoned 'deamons' to do 'good'? So in a way, he's trusting in deamons... Right.
He was an agent. I don't care if new age Wilcock praises him for 5 min.

I guess the main truth is, it's all a matter of perception. Apparently nobody knows the truth about his life.

[marpat]

From what I see, he always talks about love and such. But love for what? The 'God' he believs in? Marpat would dissagree and suggest that the writings of a liar can be trusted.
So he summoned 'deamons' to do 'good'? So in a way, he's trusting in deamons... Right.
He was an agent. I don't care if new age Wilcock praises him for 5 min.

I guess the main truth is, it's all a matter of perception. Apparently nobody knows the truth about his life.

You seem confused about love!!! you think love requires an object but the love in Crowleys work is an expression of the will and being, an act of creativity not the worship of an idol strapped to a piece of wood in a church.

I would suggest that you dont know what you are talking about and your judgement cannot be trusted

[rhydra]

You seem confused about love!!! you think love requires an object but the love in Crowleys work is an expression of the will and being, an act of creativity not the worship of an idol strapped to a piece of wood in a church.

I would suggest that you dont know what you are talking about and your judgement cannot be trusted

I echo that sentiment exactly.

As for evil and good, positive and negative, that is so subjective.

[consciousness]

Well Crowley is reputed by some people to be Bush's grandfather. There's no definitive evidence is there?

There's some speculation here

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html

[theperceivingeye]

A lot of thelemic philosophy really makes sense to me.. The people who get all puffed up and righteously indignant about Crowley should really just be looking at themselves instead. I guess some people just love the false sense of self-worth with comes from judging someone else as being morally inferior... :rolleyes:

But then it is kind of annoying when your friend asks you to read the book of the law aloud on a certain thelemic holy day.. But this kind of of mindset displays itself in all religions.

[thirdwave]

A lot of thelemic philosophy really makes sense to me.. The people who get all puffed up and righteously indignant about Crowley should really just be looking at themselves instead. I guess some people just love the false sense of self-worth with comes from judging someone else as being morally inferior... :rolleyes:

But then it is kind of annoying when your friend asks you to read the book of the law aloud on a certain thelemic holy day.. But this kind of of mindset displays itself in all religions.

The only part in Ickes Brixton talk I had to snip out was the comment about Crowley :) .. He may have been a nutter and a lose cannon and far from perfect but he was no way on the same team as those Icke exposes.. and they would not have trusted him with their real secrets.. In fact in much of Ickes talk Im sure he would have had Crowley off his chair clapping.

But, his body is dead IMO, People forget that back in his day he was hardly mega famous .. he was known by some but not a speck of how famous he got after the 60s through to today... staging a death was simply not somthing he needed or anyone needed him to do.. He was alone in a bedsit with a small cult of loyal fans suporting him, and looking to keep his work alive.

And I also dont think he is Bushes Grandfather ,A story that started out as an April fools joke, just goes to show how easy this stuff is to cook up, the only stuff there is used for that claim is a picture where his face is smiler to B Bushes, and the fact it was possible he met her mother....

all these claims are simply peoples entertainment... more ideas to throw in the mass of entertainment theories the elite rely on to make conspiracies a sea of everything and anything where truth is not even recognisable.

[tarant8l]

The avatar of the AEon of Cetus has calculated the zodiac and ascendant set. The lovely star is Venus in Pegasus in the Age of Pegasus III, but first it climbs in 2017. For all data about the AEon of Cetus, venusian Age of Pegasus and the present new Age of Eridanus, go http://lulu.com/astrology

BTW, RTRRT stands for open source Instant Magick for one.

P.S.

The avatar of the AEon has also calculated the next coming. The triune ascendant is +- the same as Crowley's own: Hydra/SM/Monoceros.

[kadosh]

A useful new on-line resource on Aleister Crowley - http://weiserantiquarian.com/catalog/

[thirdwave]

What's the chances that Aleister Crowley won't find a way of returning to this plane or being invoked and not going away? I heard about a property that he owned some while ago that was had some sort of disturbance going on, I think it was one of the places where he performed some of his rituals.

I think someone as spiritually evolved would move on and be long gone from here... Personally..

[locksmith]

A useful new on-line resource on Aleister Crowley - http://weiserantiquarian.com/catalog/
Good find, thank you for posting.

[marpat]

I think someone as spiritually evolved would move on and be long gone from here... Personally..

And why would they do that? could they not return to help those behind, as they boddhisatvas do in mahayana Buddhism? why should evolution be solely about escaping this world? such viewpoints tend to belong to specific religious mindsets