real life monitoring and harrasment from big bro

[tracker]

Many people have often wondered if they are being monitored or recorded during their life time .

Not because they are paranoid , no not at all , but mainly because the amount of "coincidences" that surround their everyday life , ranging from "coincidences" that cover ;

1 ) Telephone conversations .
2 ) Just a subject bought up in everyday talk maybe in the living room
3 ) Something that was said maybe in a bedroom .
4 ) A business idea that may have seemed stolen
5 ) Emails stopped
6 ) Pc viruses after talking to some one on the net about something controversial .

There are many "coincidences" that will surround their life in many ways before they come up with the conclusion that they are some how being watched , which is why it is a very good reason not to think that these individuals are paranoid , because it's more than likely , that they are correct in their conclusion .
The strange thing is that through out history including today , a 7000 year program of "assessing the individuals mentality" and not the actual "situation at hand" is always the case . It's never ever the situation being investigated .
We would then have to question ; "Why this is so ?" , when more and more people are now suspecting this to be true especially since the early 80s .

Myself and a few others I know round my way have all complained about the same "coincidence" factor of gang stalking and big bro surveillance upon them . Not just because it bothers them because of privacy issue but because it is being used to either drive them paranoid and/ or use information to totally fkup their life .

Think it cant be true ?
Think again .
I have had personal experience of this horror and will give you my experiences and what I have learned from these sick and very depraved desperate authoritarian bodies who have an incessant insane need to control people .
If they cant control them , they fkup their lives instead . So with a little humility I now give you some of my personal experiences , and just remember , they don't just belong to me , many thousands experience this harassment too . So I begin with saying ;

At 1st , many individuals don't realise that they have been targeted .
This is because they usually trust the system and those in power and have no reason to suspect them . At 1st its not always obvious to the "T,I" ( Targeted individual ) that they have been targeted .

common factors that may arise in their life , is the "coincidence" factor .
it's the 1st thing they notice and is very hard to ignore .
Gang stalking and electronic surveillance usually ends up being turned into harassment . This is how it can start /

One day they talk to a friend about a certain subject .
The next day , whilst walking into a local shop , the individual could experience a complete group of strangers , who then brings up the subject in almost the exact same way , as was previously done by the individual behind closed doors when they thought it was in private .

This is done so that the "T,I" is made aware that something isn't quite right .
At 1st this seems as a coincidence , but later on , these coincidences happen time and time again , in more detail . This is a tactic to make them feel insecure which will then eventually make them worry . if they voice their concerns to others they know they will look and appear crazy , but to their friends and family around them , nothing seems out of the ordinary , thus
the individual starts to feel or could feel paranoid. this tactic is played out over a long time , so that it is obvious to the "T,I" but to no one else .
It is a very horrifying situation for those who experience it .

I have mentioned this on another thread but feel it necessary to do it again as it is very fitting to this situation .

Also during this "coincidence" time the "T,I" ( targeted individual ) will see an increase to services around the area and an increase of persons wishing to have access to their home .

These can come in the forms of ;

1 ) Jehovah witnesses
2 ) Double glazing sails
3 ) Water companies
4 ) Gas meter readers
5 ) Electric meter readers
6 ) Local council officers
7 ) TV licence personnel
8 ) Avon
9 ) Better-ware
10 ) door salesmen for sanitary stuff

this sudden increase in traffic and personnel happens for a few reasons .

1 ) An end agenda of a quick peeky boo in the "T,I"s property .
2 ) To asses the individuals personality traits.
3 ) To test whether the "T,I" is weak or strong minded.
4 ) Find habits of likes and dislikes.
5 ) To assess their every day routines .( whether they are out or not etc )
6 ) To make them aware that something around them is focusing on them .

A way to spot it is to remember when the last time these people came to your area .
for instance a "T,I" would know something is wrong when - for instance ;
They may have just had their new kitchen fitted by the local council and had the electricians in to do the electrical work , after which a test procedure was carried out , yet 3 weeks later another engineer insists something wasn't filled in right and needs testing again . Then a week later another engineer comes round to see if you are happy with the work . Then yet again another 2 weeks later another person comes round and says they are the supervisor of the electrical team and need to know a few things or check something out .
Simple excuses like "well i don't know mate , must have lost the paper work"
or "well you know these office boys , cant get nothing right" are usually the tactic played upon targeted individuals .

Including the "increased personnel and traffic" will be an increase of "strangers" walking past the house , sometimes looking directly at their windows , or just , so happening , to want to walk up the ally next to their house , to go a long way round , just to go the other way .
little things like this and im not talking about now and again , its usually when the "increased personnel and traffic " tactic is enforced .
These patterns of behaviour again only appear to the "T,I" during these times . part of the stranger routine is an increase of strangers in their cars .
like , a car pulling up just down the road , they stay there , then go .
For instance ; Later on during the week , you are on your way to work and see that car in a layby . This is the tagging tactic as the "T,I" will then see them again within ten minutes down the road . It wont be an ordinary family car because that's not how it is done . What usually happens is an expensive sports car turns up , turns around as though lost and then go away , yet 10 minutes later your on your way to your brothers and there it is again , just down the road from him . The cars are not usually normal cars as said , although they can be , usually it's a car that is fantastically smart and expensive , thus again , only the "T,I" will know that they have seen it down their road before just doing nothing . Again to an outside observer , its all nothing to worry about but to the "T,I" , they know better .

During this time there are also strange sentiments in others around them .
This can be noticed by the individual who sees people getting all funny ,like starting an issue then backing out of it the lazy way and leaving them to pick up the mess of verbal abuse that could follow just because they stuck up for them self , and whilst that was happening , a reasoning mind would know they are innocent yet every one around them suddenly joins in as though the individual started it all .
It can seem very strange to the individual and long term exposure to this crap can really mess them up , which is why its actually used .

There are ways to see this uncanny behaviour and spot it as it arises around them . Here is how to spot those who start it and those who are easily influenced by it .
These tactics are also known as "gas lighting" in the gang stalking departments,hence they put the gas on for others to ignite . I prefer to call it "fire starting" and always have done because of the way that good practices of gang stalking and shit stirrers .

1 ) Will start a misguided issue out of nowhere .
2 ) Then Become incredulous and indignant - (How dare you say that etc.)
3 ) Create rumour mongers. They will Avoid discussing issues by describing anything in detail , regardless of venue or evidence , and will prefer to stick with rumours and wild accusations , but then refuse to explain why they say it or whom they heard it from .
4 ) Whilst questioning their motives and asking for an explanation they will "Side-track" opponents with name calling and ridicule or go onto a complete different issue .
5 )this is the classic one . The "Hit and Run" . This can be spotted as they make a comment but then refuse to say why they made it and insinuate to others that it should be obvious as to why they said it .
6) They will bring in an authoritative issue over them like so , Well i know johns mother and bla bla bla bla
7) Establish and rely upon fall-back positions i.e. they will turn the issue around and insinuate that because the individual insists on an explanation or detail , that they are blowing everything out of proportion , or are paranoid , or asking too much etc .
8) they will try to Emotionalise, Antagonise, and Goad individuals.
9) they may try to silence the individual . Tell them to "shut up" or "grow up" in attempt to ridicule or under dog the opponent .

this is a hard tactic to stop especially if the individual is out numbered and meet these people in every day routines .



Another routine of a life of a "T,I" being targeted is what i wall the "IN OUT" tactic. This is my own term that i have made my self for reasons i refuse to submit .
The "IN OUT" tactic happens like this .

Imagine MR Smith , hes just got a pay rise . All of the sudden , out of nowhere , comes an urgent tax bill for the sum of £3000. He is told to pay within 2 weeks .He phones up the tax office and protests and insist he has all his receipts and can prove he has payed and wishes to make an appeal .
Whilst on the phone he is told , that he can appeal but that takes 4 weeks . Mr smith tells them that he was told to pay in 2 weeks other wise the bailiffs come round to take his stuff . The tax clerk ( who probably doesn't even know him , or whats happening ) says ,
"OK MR Smith , we see your point and we will review this issue , however we recommend you still pay small sums of money , would you like to make an offer ?" MR Smith , protests but sees that he is fighting a loosing battle , so agrees with small payment plan while the case is being reviewed . However ,
this is happening in November just before Christmas .
Later the Christmas period has come and gone , an when the end of the January and february sales finish , MR Smith then finds that the tax office repays his money back with no apology .To which now Mr Smith finds that his rent has suddenly gone up and he owes some money from somewhere he hasn't seen before .




Now ? You may ask your self "Why the bloody hell would authorities do this ?"
so now , although gladly i don't represent them i can give a few ideas why .

1) To find out if new operatives are up to the job , this means unfortunately , that a member can be picked even if they have done nothing wrong , its an experiment .

2) The individual has been targeted because a slow subliminal program of "seek and destroy" a certain other individual is being enforced . This is a subtle mind control tactic that slowly brings into affect , a slow process of subject , that link other subjects , that then links to one person .
In affect the "T,I" is slowly being mind programmed as an assassin .
Through many many years of being electronically harassed or gang stalked , the person is slowly driven to madness , however !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
these "T,I"s are usually the acclaimed "miss fits" or "drop outs" of society , that way , in the eventual outcome , a Dr's diagnosis of schizophrenia or clinical madness covers up the "T,I"s experiences as delusions and takes away the focus from the experiences to the "T.I"s mentality instead .

3) The "T,I" is close to something very important .they may have accidentally said something important or found something out of grave matters and has accidentally told a person who may have connections else where . This doesn't mean that the person they told has totally betrayed them with an intent , more over it could have been an accidental slip up , or just a comment that as made by the person they told near some one who does think its important . From there the person they told are politely and covertly through conversation asked questions as to where and when they heard the issue , this brings back the whole idea of being laid back to the "T,I" .
Thus, an unintentional process of _ being a loud mouth , gets them in trouble for a reason that was not sinister in the 1st place but turns out nasty in the long run through no fault of their own or their friends .

4) Too much prodding big brother , we know that this speaks for it self .

5) because they started off a ( just a comment doods don't bite me just get the idea of it ) looser in life and have managed to work them self off drugs and unemployment status to become pretty self dependant , which the system does not like because if they can do it , so can every one else .

6 )a mind control experiment has back fired and a slow process of targeting take place to crush the individuals character integrity .

7 )the individual has stuck out like a sour thumb and does not comply to the systems "hold you down" rules and is making a big change in their life . The big bros do not like this as , if one person can do it , so can the rest , so they do the slow process thing hence it can be done in and around a promotion.

8 ) The "T,I" is not liked by some one up top in position of councils , tax offices etc .


So why would so many people co-operate with such a sick idea ?
well the explanation is alot more simple than you might think .

Those who have been highered for this type of operation would have more than likely been lied to by the figure head for them to enlist .

this then makes those concerned actually think they are doing it for the good of society , as they may have been told that the individual could be a terrorist , or a fraudster . To the team highered for the intent , all they know is that they do it for good reasons whilst the "T,I" gets slowly freaked out .
these are cunning smart plans and are hard to stop if these individuals have no idea who to contact about it .


Eventually the person can get paranoid if they are unable to find others who know about this sickery .It is a horrifying situation indeed .
On this note i will tell individuals who experience this is that there is also another situation that rises from this .
NATURAL GOSSIP !
Sometimes , during the process , people blabb off news like hot gossip .
So word will naturally get around the area .This means , that some people could be looking at you strangely , or just making a passing comment because of rumors , this too can be widely mistaken as harassment or stalking .

I know this area very well indeed , and although i have seen some cases that are very true and so obvious , i have to admit that , like all subjects , there are also a lot of fake videos on this matter on the utube that do not cover natural gossip in their analysis .
however , lies and gossip does its own damage and is very similar in the way that it can come across which is why the topic of Big brother , surveillance ,
electronic harassment and gang stalking and mind control must be very carefully considered indeed .




If you wish to know more on this issue use the main utube sites to get is by typing in





MK ultra utube gang stalking

MK ultra mind control

electronic harassment utube

gang stalking utube

etc .
look out , some sites are actually controlled by the very enemy them selves .
but , alot of them do have some real good info.

Hope any of you have not endured this bstrd situation however i feel this may not be the case .
I also hope that this information helps any of you who have or are under going this trickery by big brother .:cool:


OH YES , Just for some advertised proof on this issue .

I now take you to a slightly different angel to show you true life admittance that local councils have placed servailance on people and trashed their lives using many techniques . This will shock you folks , believe it !
It's from an artical in a local authority magazine made by a local council that fully admits they trash peoples lives , but to see this truth , you have to learn how to undo how they put it together , so bare with me this is real bad stuff . the law actually concerns this situation .
Being "An individual who does not comply to concensors" or "AN individual who is apart from the hured" or is "inconsistant to the norm" of everyday masses .

think its not true , well let me take you to this , 1st read it , see how it works then judge for your self . at 1st the subject seems to have nothing to do with individuals , but after you will see how it actually directly attacks individuals , if you let me explain how .
i now take you to a magazine made by

Ashford borough council . August 2006 .

Artical = (title )
Making the country a safer place to live and do business .

( it says this on page 21 )
Kent trading standards supports the countries 54,000 businesses to trade in a fair , safe and lawfull manner to protect the interests of consumers with officers involved in a range of advice and enforcement activities including

1 ) targeting rogue traders and disrupting their activities .
2 ) reducing the supply of aged restricted goods .
3 ) helping to prevent the easy disposal of stolen goods into the second hand trade .
4 ) conducting focused campains
5 ) carrying out visits to traders and supporting local businesses to ensure that they comply with UK and European trading standard laws and business with complicated technical or indepth enquiries and problems
6 ) helping vunerable consumers
7 ) sending alert messages to warn consumers and partner organisations including , Citizens advice bureau , neighbourhood watch especially about rogue traders who are in their area .
8 ) warning consumers about loosing money to junk mail scams
9 ) encouraging young people to become "confident consumers" through the citizenship curriculum , and through school competitions .

Rogue traders on the increase.
trading standards are recieving more reports than ever about cold callers offering ---block paving / tarmacking / roofing / fascia / gutter repairs / tree cutting / switching energy supplies or perchasing antiques .Trading standard officers work closly with
police / community wardens / banks / volentary organisations to desrupt the activities of rogue traders and cowboys who feel no shame in taking thousands of pounds from suseptable consumers . all information recieved by officers helps identify the traders and the area currently being targeted .





Now folks , readers of this big thread , did you see it ? No ?
well allow me if you will .
definition of rogue found in the collins english dictionary .=

1) dishoenest or unprincipled person . ( but whos principles do they mean ?)
2) mischief loving person ( what ? if i love mischief they can target me ? )
3 ) a wild beast ( so bite me )
4 ) apart from the herd ( hhm , you mean masses then )

so let me straighten this out .
lets gat back to the top and see number 1 =
1 ) targeting rogue traders and disrupting their activities .

so if you are a unique person creating a unique self employed business that is different from that of the herd ( and you dont have to be a cowboy at all , just a unique trade ) you could have as quoted

police / community wardens / banks / volentary organisations to desrupt the activities

so how do they -------------disrupt your activities then ?
well if your van is mot and insured all legit etc , how do they take it away ?
they cant !
so what they do is comunicate with banks and local councils thus the "IN OUT" tactic i mentioned earlier is done on you . they use banks to put a hold on your acount , suspend benifits etc , whilst debting you with big bills in the other and , all creating a very inconvenient situation around you .

and did you see how they use law to allow the use of the word "rogue" and then justify this word next to "cowboy" to insinuate they mean the same thing when actually the 2 words are completly different in nature and name and meaning ?

yes they use the term "ROGUE" in the statute , but then undernieth justify the term "ROGUE" by using it next to "COWBOY" and then give all this info on how bad cowboys act etc . yet when we take it apart , what they are sayinfg is this .

if youve been on the doll for ages , or have never made anything work in your life , and begin to act out of the norm away from the herd , they will totally fkup your life using the above departments to do so .and they will do this in number 4 = 4 ) conducting focused campains and will also use number 5 =carrying out visits to traders and supporting local businesses .

Now if this doesnt sink in that this is real and we are all being fkd , nothing will sink in .

and by the way , this was admitted in 2006 , so this has actually have to had been tested 1st .
also , this is nothing , they have been doing it for years .
so ! if you think they are playing on your life






your probably right , and you only have to be a person away from the herd who does not comply to the consensers of things to have this harrasment !:cool:

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and another thing , note that sometimes your name is spelled in capitals when authorities give you letters ?
thats because in law this means you name say
John smith is a person , but JOHN SMITH is a trade name , which there for means , they can do it to anyone .

im not going to go into that law as there is a thread all about this situation , and if i may be so bold ( sorry duck ) but duckingdafter and other folks here know this statement is true , that block capital letters on your name is a traders company name which is why law courts use it because they cant sue you , only the captital trade mark of you , its all complicated to me but so many other folks here know what i mean , which is why they can harras any one if they wish and often do so .

hence sometimes the councils will suspend your council tax benifit , but then take you to court whilst you wait for a desision , its how its done .
i have called it the IN OUT tactic . its what they always use !

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So , if you think you are being watched / monitored or played upon , how do you prevent it or at least minimise the damage .

some steps can be taken to confuse and throw off cours these sick people .


1 ) always be careful of what you say on the phone as all uk phones are tapped !
im not saying shut up , im saying , be careful how you say it .

2 ) make a note on how long you spend on sites .
maybe the next day turn your computer on and click into different types of sites .
this mix and match will confuse the big brother , maybe .
the next day , try a new thing like catalogues or Indian news etc . anything to appear random . you might even have to do it for a couple of days .
common masses subjects you can click into , but not take part are as follows .
food
page 3 girls / not porn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ever ! beware of porn !
bingo
online games
gardening
seeing sites on flood defence
electric prices
investments
B&Q prices
meditation master , coffee prices
anything that is random !
a look at bingo sites now thats a masses mentality thing to do and that's really it . the masses are completely brain dead and don't really do much else , but don't forget , spend time on them . get involved if you feel like it , but do it for a while as the character profiling machine will not be able to make a spot on reference .

3 ) . make as small amount of phone calls as possible !
and don't talk about anything too much and keep the language down .
as bad language indicates anger and character instability . ( you never know , you could end up with quacks at your door )

4 ) texts . make as small amount as possible same as phone calls .

5 ) turn off your mobile as much as possible .
they constantly communicated to satellites , and mobiles are untrustworthy anyway as it is quite possible to use new age machines to listen into people even when the phone is not in use , which is why , when you turn it off , take the battery out !

6 ) . only take the mobile with you on important trips .
say like , when you are taking the kids etc as you might need a break down service , but remember , just because you might have forgotten yours , other members of public have them too . better to make a phone call from their phone i suppose the choice is yours .

7 ) very important ! when you walk around your local town start making a note on where cameras are put .
this helps for number

8 ) . take car journeys on routes with the minimum surveillance equipment possible .

9 ) randomise your routine of driving and travelling .
randomising your routine makes you unpredictable . its a good tactic . but this also means randomise your routes of going into town etc .
its not easy to remember , but it is a good tactic .

10 ) .learn to misdirect others .
no im not talking about fraud .
im saying , don't always tell people you have meetings or are going out that night to meet a friend etc . by the way people , if any of you are under 21 , don't lie to your parents please . im not talking about being a complete idiot .
im just saying , you could be in an interview or a chat with a person who works in a council department .
if you have been to the library and was looking at the conspiracy section .
if you were still switched on and spent some time in the food section too ( to throw off 24 hr surveillance systems of what you read ) then you could say during conversation .
"yes the libraries great Ive just been there to look up a beginners guide to cooking Italian etc "
its not quite a lie , but that doesn't mean your telling all the truth .
sometimes , other people don't need to know exactly what you are doing .
its not a lie , so there for , your conscience can also rest .

11 ) don't just suddenly change everything .
do it slowly over a period of time . we have already been watched .
all they are doing is bringing in the law that publicly admits what they've been doing for ages .
this way they can do it openly , that's all .
so don't go changing too quick now , otherwise they will be on your case as to find out what you are hiding .


times are getting close guys and girls , its soon time . we must think carefully .
the time is near !:cool:

[cluas]

Thx Tracker, good post....

Really makes me think.... :)

[tracker]

Thx Tracker, good post....

Really makes me think.... :)

thank you claus for taking your time to read that thread .
there are thousands of people out there who think that their business ideas have been stolen from them in one way or another .
in 2006 BT was taken to court for monitoring 240,000 private emails and peoples files on their computer .

the case is still on going ( sorry i cant make attatchments ) and because the phone company has claimed that they do not share the details and were doing it for research perposes it looks as though they will get away with it .

but whats to say they havent stolen ideas ?
sold them to government etc and taken the credit for it ?


with new anti terrorist laws coming out to create 24/7 monitoring servailance legal , no ones ideas would be safe on their computers anymore .

its a way to keep us all down and in poverty .:cool:

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i have atempted with out any luck to find an easy comprehencive list of the 270 bylaws that are covered by the anti terorist and security statute but am unable to find one .

i would apreciate any one who can link us to a credible site on this issue .
thank you .:cool:

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Subbed. :)

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Subbed. :)


did you read the whole thread amazon ?

when i saw that magazine on the councils authority to target rogues , it shocked me .:cool:

why ?

because in 2004 i created a massive idea of an electrical company .
it was unique .
I called it

NEO ENGINEERING .

meaning New Electrical Outlook engineering .

it covered

anti flood affecting electricals in the home and flood releif
electrical black out releaf
home safety and security
home survival in case of power shortages
free 2 page must know info

it covered a totally new idea of true electrical installations . not just because of the apraoch and services but because i was one of the only electricians who would

give a free £100 home survival kit if a client had a full house rwire
free key ring alarms ( given with if installed ) house alarm
free energy light saving bulbs with any aplication etc

i had done all my home work
all the costs etc

and instead of under cutting others around the area , my business would have given the odd free gift here and there including a full home security assesment .

my idea was nicked and then devided between 10 different authorative departments ranging from

local councils
police
fire brigade
flood defence
elctrical council
media
government leaflets ( hence 3 years ago they gave every one a free leaflet throguh their door . the leaflets had colourd circles on it ) want to knwo where they got the idea ? you heard it here 1st .

they stole Neo engineerings ideas and took them for their own .

guess what though ?

i saved all data of creaing that business on hard drive .
everything i made , saved , times saved etc , is still on an old hard drive and can be matched next to radio and media files to show you that every time i created an idea on my pc , with in 2 weeks they put it out on media as their won .
this happened during 2004 and the stats go like this .

i had 10 ideas that were unique .
so what are the changes of 10 seperate authorative bodyes all having 1 idea but the same as mine ?

it goes like this .
imagine a man going into a library ( ideas ) and picking out 10 books .( thats me )

now imagine 10 seperate people going into that library ( ideas ) but each person only picks 1 idea .( authorative departments )
what are the chances of those ten people picking exactly the same books ( ideas ) as me if they all pick 1 book ( idea ) each .:eek:

the stats for that is near impossible !

all this happened in a space of one year including a book i was writing called

"they have it in for you"

2 weeks later after completing it and before sending it to a publisher a profeser who used an ailias name wrote a book called

"they will fk you up".

so what are the chances of this amazon ?

all this happened in one year . it was 2004 !

i will never trust PCs again ! ever !

[armoured_amazon]

Just the first post so far, Tracker. I'm SO cold that I can't concentrate on anything for more than a few minutes. :(

I am going to make something hot to eat and a hot drink and put MORE layers on and the heating and maybe wrap a duvet round me too lol.

I am nesher than a nesh Nessie. An ex-bf nicknamed me Neshertiti lol

[tracker]

Just the first post so far, Tracker. I'm SO cold that I can't concentrate on anything for more than a few minutes. :(

I am going to make something hot to eat and a hot drink and put MORE layers on and the heating and maybe wrap a duvet round me too lol.

I am nesher than a nesh Nessie. An ex-bf nicknamed me Neshertiti lol


what you like .
you that cold too ?

sorry amazon , i dont like hearing people in difficulty being cold .:(

sorry to hear that .

but my proof of true life harrasment and fraud , steeling simple peoples ideas etc , are all saved on my hard drive .

everytime i fifnished an idea , within 2 weeks it was in my face on the radio or tv as an authoratives idea .
it really made me parranoid




until i read that artical from the local council above .

i knew i wasnt imagining things .

during that time i had visited a bank and a women apraoched me and said

"hello mr tracker , dont worry your not in trouble but a colegue wishes to speek to you"

i said
"trouble ? why do you mention trouble ?"

she said
"well its nothing to worry about its just about your account"

i replied
"and what about my ID then because ive never seen you in my life so how did you know my name ? and what about my acount ? i am now very aware lady , lets meet this other collegue"

later during the converstation the other colegue slipped up and mentioned this .

well if your creating a business you should have insurance

i said

funny that because i havent told any one about business , so why do you mention it ?

there was so much going on that year amazon i nearly cracked .

after wirting that book and showing all my proof inside that book , i came down with an illness and the DRs misdiagnosed me and nearly killed me .

how is that for adding to all that coincedences then ?

this is why i know exactly how and what games they play .

[tracker]

thats not to say that the self employed business i had wasnt a success because it was .
for a good while i was lucky enough to earn £1200 per week for about 12 weeks .then found other great contracts but the limited business went on hold until i release it again maybe sometime in the future , however on that note , that year later on the tax man bought out a new law stating that no self employed person can work for more than 3 months a time for a contractor unless they go on the cards .
thus taxes raise , beinfits of being self eomplyed go out the window and earnings go down .
and i wonder why ?

could it be that they dont want a simple joe bloggs earning over 60k per year ?

it seems to be the cases as they want to make joe bloggs son stay as mr bloggs , and there is no room for expansion , thats how they operate .
they monitor individuals , not the masses .
the masses usually fall in line but individuals who wish to progress do not stay in line , so if they monitor individuals who are able to get out of their clutches , they then create laws around what they do to prevent the rest doing the same .
its typical of why all these new HS laws came out , like , having a bloody cert incase you use a ladder .


its the same all over and they are getting more and more sick minded and desperate to keep control over peoples lives keeping them slaves .:cool:

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there is now another thread on this electronic servailance system called

britains mindless changes , inside the madhouse .


go see it , its horrifying what theyare now doing .:cool:

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there is now another thread on this electronic servailance system called

britains mindless changes , inside the madhouse .


go see it , its horrifying what theyare now doing .:cool:

here is an extract of that thread .

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The Government have been using here in Britain for the last six month lie detectors on each and every call made to Department of Works and Pensions, offices this included Job Centres as well as Social Security Claimants. So successful are the units, fitted to call operatives computers, that in the four areas that they have been trialled, that government now wants to roll it out across the country ahead of the twelve month supposed trials. The unit and software picks out fraudulent claims and in one area, within two months of its use, a quarter of a million pounds was stopped from fraudulent claims. Just how this is effecting the mentally ill, who may suffer from paranoia, those who genuinely suffer lack of confidence, or the like, has not been measured. Government as I acrulatly reported here in a previous posting, is determined it will reach its target of removing over one million people off Incapacity Benefits and those on long term sickness benefits . People are presently receiving through the post demands for them to be reassessed. After paying G.P's huge increases in their pay the GMC has advised its members not to engage with government plans advising that the plans would lead to a break down in the doctor patient relationship already damaged by existing contracts. In Secret plans revealed, here for the first time and because the British media will not publish information that is being leaked to them by fearful civil servants whose fears are that Britain is beginning to resemble Germany in the early 1930's. It is known that out of frustration the Home Office has put forward plans for what are known as "Revolving Door Patients". This refures to patients who suffer from long term drink and drug related problems or have been diagnosed with a Dual Diagnosis’ condition and who are now regularly and openly refused admission into A&E departments, leading to the Police having to be called to hospitals after drunks and drug addicted people who become violent on being refused treatment. This leads to arrests and over crowding of the prison system. Realising the immense size of this problem the Home Office instead of building more prisons, which would not solve the problems it, was decided and cross benches have been aware of Governments approval of the construction of holding centres, which began to be built around Britain. The Home Office using the Mental Health Acts will begin to forcibly detained persons who are presented as having conditions diagnosed as medically termed PD's (Personal Disorders). Parts of the Mental Heath Act allow for the detention of a person who is medically considered to be of a danger to their selves or others . The new holding centres purposely designed securely to hold a patient for periods that allow for the rehabilitation of a patient. Between one and up to five years, has been considered by most experts to be a period that allows the brain to rehabilitate and stop the panging of an addiction. The Mental Health Act is the most powerful detention order HM government can supervise. This was recently spoke about in Stephen Fry's program about bi-polar disorder in which Doctor Liz Miller explained how she was sectioned under the Act it's power can order that a patient forcibly be injected with any drug that a Doctor may wish to administer to the patient, despite the patient and his families objections. This is the most evil of all practices when considering recent event in the USA where it has been shown that the use of anti-psychotic drugs of which a drug called ZYPREXA known as Olanzapine and worth 5'8 Billion (June, 2007)to its makers Ely-Lilly is just one of them used. In a class legal action, brought against Ely Lilly. Eight thousand people who's body organs namely the pancreas where damaged to the point of making them diabetic (See here how the company is still trying to ban website from displaying information which a judge ruled on Olanzapine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) or to develop one of man's most painful conditions that of Chronic Pancreatitis. The company agreed to pay out in an out of court settlement. (Please do your own research because it is important that you understand that even after this our government still allows the use of this drug to be prescribed) Medical staff who work in Mental Health are presently to vote for an indefinite strike action, should on November 1st 2007 their colleague and an extremely brave nurse be sacked for openly criticising new plans being implemented by the former CEO of Ramptom Hospital, and who recently took up the position of CEO of Manchester Mental Health Trust. Sheila Foley is sitting as judge and jury in the disciplinary hearing of CPN (Community Psychiatric Nurse) Karen Reissmann, who after twenty-five years working in the NHS offered her professional opinion of the new plans. Karen who is a UNISON member studied along with her colleges the plans. Immediately labelling them to be unprofessional and ultimately to be unworkable. Sheila Foley was brought in, pacifically to be used to assist in carrying out government’s policy. On the very morning that Karen Reissmann was given promotion in her job she was later that day suspended from it. Nursing Staff at Manchester gave their support but were tipped off that the policy behind the reason for which Karen was speaking out against was coming from very powerful men and that it would be wiser to let Karen do the talking. As soon as Karen was explaining to a journalist why she had been suspended she was ordered that she was not to speak to anyone concerning her suspension. News was out and the Bedlam that is now happening in Manchester is just the beginning of what started in the so-called Nazi Germany. Before the Germans started on the Jews they had been carrying out solving the problems of "Personal Disorders" with the full agreement of the German Folk; they told them the problem and then told them solution. In Manchester, the Nursing Staff have held strikes. The nurses offered to cover the wards at North Manchester Mental Hospital. NHS nurses do that even when they go on strike. Sheila Foley acting some say off her own back order the Buses and those patients who could not go home, were injected ordered on to the waiting Private buses and transported out to private holding centres in Darlington and Bury Lancs. On arrival at the Bury centre the patients were woke from their drowsy drugged induced sleep, strip search and placed behind walls that ensure that no child will ever be allowed to kiss their mother or father’s lips. For the patient’s safety and to ensure that no drugs or alcohols may be passed over. A problem that cannot be controlled in the NHS they cannot get nurses or staff to do that work. However, in the holding centres things are controlled by uniformed private security personnel; The Labour Party under Mr Blair and Mr Brown received one million pounds from the owner of the Priory Centre Group. They made him a Lord. When you have seen too much and when you know too much and after being in a war zone and your mind can take no more the British Armed Services place you in the private care of these private organisations. Given enough neuroleptic drugs, you stop thinking about your environment. However, if your body is wounded then you go in to the NHS because Mr Brown sold all the British Armies Hospitals. Remember at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, how could any one forget number 33? The government are fully aware of how intelligent the people with Bi Polar are after all they know of all the master minds who suffered from the condition some say when they go high its like they become super charged. Churchill called it the black dog when he went low. Prof Basanti Puri has proven that by taking fish oil capsules that contains 90% EPA that clears the channels in the brain. He knows this because he is an expert in MRI scanning and he has seen that the brains of those patients who take this oil display changes within their brain and the depressive side, the black dog, disappears. He wrote a book on all this and thousands of patients take the oils. The Prof will tell you that he has had over three threats upon his life by the drug companies. He told the government and the civil servants informed the press. for information see the only two companys that will supply the oil at 90% EPA no DHA www.vegepa.co.uk and www.mind1st.co.uk The British Government are aware of the NHS Prof. B. Puri he works at the Hammersmith Hospital in London.

Benefits savings to fund therapy explosion

26.10.07

An army of 3,600 people are to be trained in cognitive behavioural therapy in order to deliver the treatment to almost a million people suffering from depression and anxiety over the next four years. Announcing the move, health secretary Alan Johnson claimed that the £170 million cost would be paid for out of savings that will result from 25,000 fewer people with mental health conditions claiming benefits
Cognitive behavioural therapy usually involves a course of 6-12 meetings with a trained therapist. The treatment deals with solving current problems rather than trying to discover the past causes of current feelings or behaviour. According to NICE it is as effective, but no more effective, than drug treatments for conditions such as depression and anxiety.
Many claimants will welcome the possibility of receiving such treatment, which is currently often unavailable from GPs surgeries or subject to a waiting list of 18 months or more.
However, there is concern that CBT may become a one size fits all remedy offered to anyone reporting a mental health condition. Not everyone with depression or anxiety will benefit from this type of quick-fix therapy. Even those who do may find that their symptoms return after a short time if the underlying causes have not been addressed.*
There are also concerns about the level of training and experience that the new wave of therapists will have and at the role that unqualified private sector Pathways to Work personal advisers may have in referring claimants for therapy.
© 2007 Steve Donnison

* This was my experience. Conversely, I have found seemingly permanent results to some of my problems with the equally quick EMDR therapy, and have been impressed by the results I have seen in others who have undergone Emotional Freedom Technique sessions. I think that there may be error in putting all the hopes on just one therapy which although it undoubtedly does have results, they are often short-lived.
I also have concerns about the competence of the practitioners, who will often have had little experience if they are to be freshly trained. I fear that the rapid introduction of the programme may result in a similar situation to the original Learn Direct Scheme, where the training offered was often on paper only and never materialised, or it was of poor quality and in the hands of those who jumped on the delivery bandwagon in order to claim the cash, but were not actually up to the task, and the claimant never got the training they had enrolled for.

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this big bro tactic has resulted in thousands having their benifits taken from them just because a machine asesses them as a wrisk .
but !!!!!!!!!!!!
what about mentaliy ill or parranoid people ?
self asteme deficiencies etc ?
what about those already upset because their money has gone down etc ???????????????????

those bstrds are really playing the game now .



how to defend your self from this trap !


steps of prevention to stop big bro analsising your feelings .


1 ) always stay calm !
if you dont , this will show a raise in temprament and angsiety , to a machine this could be mistaken for a tell tail sign of a lier .
when people talk sometimes they dont realise that their own pitch of tone raises and lowers as they talk .
keep an ear open to how you talk , pitch tone can give alot away to some one who knows what to look for .

Stay focused !
very inportant indeed !
why ?
because they will change the line of conversation many times . also , once during a phone call to Hm Taxes about my working tax credits being stopped .
i noted how the lady asked me for all my details , allmy ( more so ) private details , then near the end she cought me by surprise and asked how much my last payment was exactly . i told her i didnt have my bank statement on me and she then said
"well im inclined to keep it posponed because you are unable to give me the last payment detail"
i replied
"so your telling me , because i might have shredded my last bank statement , that after giving you all my details , my security details , that you are now not going to pay me ???????????"

she was very clever at this .
just as soon as i finished saying that i recalled the fact that i hadnt shredded it and asked the lady ( Sharon the land lady ) to kindly get my bank statement from the kitchen window , and now listen to how she reacted . the lady on the phone then said this .

"dont be rude there is no need for that language to me"

i replied
"excuse me lady on the phone , were you just talking to me ? i sincerely hope not or i will make complaint to your superviser about your abnoctiouse intent to make me appear unreasonable and rude to you , when indeed i had said nothing to you what so ever , i also named Sharon who lives here , atwhich i asked her to kindly get my bank statement from the kitchen window . On this note i will ask you . Are you trying to infuriate me with a false acusation ? Are you trying to show off to some one your end who i cannot see ? Or are you trying to make me apear unreasonable for no reason other than gaining points for believeing you have spotted a fraud ?
iether way kind lady , i will now refuse to make this a debate because this is not why i have phoned you , to which now , your actions on this phone has proved you to be totally unreasonable and rather abusive of your position . i am about to put the phone down now , i strongly surguest you sort this out , have a good day ."


2 months later i was billed for £264 case closed before i could even reply .


these are tactics that will be used upon you if you do not learn to see how they play you .
my mistake was putting down the phone , so make no mistake your self
they will play you , so stay focused and remember rule 1 , stay calm at all times .
i stayed calm but finished the call too soon , i should have stayed on to make sure it was done properly , i didnt !

they play you and even some times insinuate something you havent done so be aware not to rise to the occasion !

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Many people have often wondered if they are being monitored or recorded during their life time .

Not because they are paranoid , no not at all , but mainly because the amount of "coincidences" that surround their everyday life , ranging from "coincidences" that cover ;

1 ) Telephone conversations .
2 ) Just a subject bought up in everyday talk maybe in the living room
3 ) Something that was said maybe in a bedroom .
4 ) A business idea that may have seemed stolen
5 ) Emails stopped
6 ) Pc viruses after talking to some one on the net about something controversial .

There are many "coincidences" that will surround their life in many ways before they come up with the conclusion that they are some how being watched , which is why it is a very good reason not to think that these individuals are paranoid , because it's more than likely , that they are correct in their conclusion .
The strange thing is that through out history including today , a 7000 year program of "assessing the individuals mentality" and not the actual "situation at hand" is always the case . It's never ever the situation being investigated .
We would then have to question ; "Why this is so ?" , when more and more people are now suspecting this to be true especially since the early 80s .

Myself and a few others I know round my way have all complained about the same "coincidence" factor of gang stalking and big bro surveillance upon them . Not just because it bothers them because of privacy issue but because it is being used to either drive them paranoid and/ or use information to totally fkup their life .

Think it cant be true ?
Think again .
I have had personal experience of this horror and will give you my experiences and what I have learned from these sick and very depraved desperate authoritarian bodies who have an incessant insane need to control people .
If they cant control them , they fkup their lives instead . So with a little humility I now give you some of my personal experiences , and just remember , they don't just belong to me , many thousands experience this harassment too . So I begin with saying ;

At 1st , many individuals don't realise that they have been targeted .
This is because they usually trust the system and those in power and have no reason to suspect them . At 1st its not always obvious to the "T,I" ( Targeted individual ) that they have been targeted .

common factors that may arise in their life , is the "coincidence" factor .
it's the 1st thing they notice and is very hard to ignore .
Gang stalking and electronic surveillance usually ends up being turned into harassment . This is how it can start /

One day they talk to a friend about a certain subject .
The next day , whilst walking into a local shop , the individual could experience a complete group of strangers , who then brings up the subject in almost the exact same way , as was previously done by the individual behind closed doors when they thought it was in private .

This is done so that the "T,I" is made aware that something isn't quite right .
At 1st this seems as a coincidence , but later on , these coincidences happen time and time again , in more detail . This is a tactic to make them feel insecure which will then eventually make them worry . if they voice their concerns to others they know they will look and appear crazy , but to their friends and family around them , nothing seems out of the ordinary , thus
the individual starts to feel or could feel paranoid. this tactic is played out over a long time , so that it is obvious to the "T,I" but to no one else .
It is a very horrifying situation for those who experience it .

I have mentioned this on another thread but feel it necessary to do it again as it is very fitting to this situation .

Also during this "coincidence" time the "T,I" ( targeted individual ) will see an increase to services around the area and an increase of persons wishing to have access to their home .

These can come in the forms of ;

1 ) Jehovah witnesses
2 ) Double glazing sails
3 ) Water companies
4 ) Gas meter readers
5 ) Electric meter readers
6 ) Local council officers
7 ) TV licence personnel
8 ) Avon
9 ) Better-ware
10 ) door salesmen for sanitary stuff

this sudden increase in traffic and personnel happens for a few reasons .

1 ) An end agenda of a quick peeky boo in the "T,I"s property .
2 ) To asses the individuals personality traits.
3 ) To test whether the "T,I" is weak or strong minded.
4 ) Find habits of likes and dislikes.
5 ) To assess their every day routines .( whether they are out or not etc )
6 ) To make them aware that something around them is focusing on them .

A way to spot it is to remember when the last time these people came to your area .
for instance a "T,I" would know something is wrong when - for instance ;
They may have just had their new kitchen fitted by the local council and had the electricians in to do the electrical work , after which a test procedure was carried out , yet 3 weeks later another engineer insists something wasn't filled in right and needs testing again . Then a week later another engineer comes round to see if you are happy with the work . Then yet again another 2 weeks later another person comes round and says they are the supervisor of the electrical team and need to know a few things or check something out .
Simple excuses like "well i don't know mate , must have lost the paper work"
or "well you know these office boys , cant get nothing right" are usually the tactic played upon targeted individuals .

Including the "increased personnel and traffic" will be an increase of "strangers" walking past the house , sometimes looking directly at their windows , or just , so happening , to want to walk up the ally next to their house , to go a long way round , just to go the other way .
little things like this and im not talking about now and again , its usually when the "increased personnel and traffic " tactic is enforced .
These patterns of behaviour again only appear to the "T,I" during these times . part of the stranger routine is an increase of strangers in their cars .
like , a car pulling up just down the road , they stay there , then go .
For instance ; Later on during the week , you are on your way to work and see that car in a layby . This is the tagging tactic as the "T,I" will then see them again within ten minutes down the road . It wont be an ordinary family car because that's not how it is done . What usually happens is an expensive sports car turns up , turns around as though lost and then go away , yet 10 minutes later your on your way to your brothers and there it is again , just down the road from him . The cars are not usually normal cars as said , although they can be , usually it's a car that is fantastically smart and expensive , thus again , only the "T,I" will know that they have seen it down their road before just doing nothing . Again to an outside observer , its all nothing to worry about but to the "T,I" , they know better .

During this time there are also strange sentiments in others around them .
This can be noticed by the individual who sees people getting all funny ,like starting an issue then backing out of it the lazy way and leaving them to pick up the mess of verbal abuse that could follow just because they stuck up for them self , and whilst that was happening , a reasoning mind would know they are innocent yet every one around them suddenly joins in as though the individual started it all .
It can seem very strange to the individual and long term exposure to this crap can really mess them up , which is why its actually used .

There are ways to see this uncanny behaviour and spot it as it arises around them . Here is how to spot those who start it and those who are easily influenced by it .
These tactics are also known as "gas lighting" in the gang stalking departments,hence they put the gas on for others to ignite . I prefer to call it "fire starting" and always have done because of the way that good practices of gang stalking and shit stirrers .

1 ) Will start a misguided issue out of nowhere .
2 ) Then Become incredulous and indignant - (How dare you say that etc.)
3 ) Create rumour mongers. They will Avoid discussing issues by describing anything in detail , regardless of venue or evidence , and will prefer to stick with rumours and wild accusations , but then refuse to explain why they say it or whom they heard it from .
4 ) Whilst questioning their motives and asking for an explanation they will "Side-track" opponents with name calling and ridicule or go onto a complete different issue .
5 )this is the classic one . The "Hit and Run" . This can be spotted as they make a comment but then refuse to say why they made it and insinuate to others that it should be obvious as to why they said it .
6) They will bring in an authoritative issue over them like so , Well i know johns mother and bla bla bla bla
7) Establish and rely upon fall-back positions i.e. they will turn the issue around and insinuate that because the individual insists on an explanation or detail , that they are blowing everything out of proportion , or are paranoid , or asking too much etc .
8) they will try to Emotionalise, Antagonise, and Goad individuals.
9) they may try to silence the individual . Tell them to "shut up" or "grow up" in attempt to ridicule or under dog the opponent .

this is a hard tactic to stop especially if the individual is out numbered and meet these people in every day routines .



Another routine of a life of a "T,I" being targeted is what i wall the "IN OUT" tactic. This is my own term that i have made my self for reasons i refuse to submit .
The "IN OUT" tactic happens like this .

Imagine MR Smith , hes just got a pay rise . All of the sudden , out of nowhere , comes an urgent tax bill for the sum of £3000. He is told to pay within 2 weeks .He phones up the tax office and protests and insist he has all his receipts and can prove he has payed and wishes to make an appeal .
Whilst on the phone he is told , that he can appeal but that takes 4 weeks . Mr smith tells them that he was told to pay in 2 weeks other wise the bailiffs come round to take his stuff . The tax clerk ( who probably doesn't even know him , or whats happening ) says ,
"OK MR Smith , we see your point and we will review this issue , however we recommend you still pay small sums of money , would you like to make an offer ?" MR Smith , protests but sees that he is fighting a loosing battle , so agrees with small payment plan while the case is being reviewed . However ,
this is happening in November just before Christmas .
Later the Christmas period has come and gone , an when the end of the January and february sales finish , MR Smith then finds that the tax office repays his money back with no apology .To which now Mr Smith finds that his rent has suddenly gone up and he owes some money from somewhere he hasn't seen before .




Now ? You may ask your self "Why the bloody hell would authorities do this ?"
so now , although gladly i don't represent them i can give a few ideas why .

1) To find out if new operatives are up to the job , this means unfortunately , that a member can be picked even if they have done nothing wrong , its an experiment .

2) The individual has been targeted because a slow subliminal program of "seek and destroy" a certain other individual is being enforced . This is a subtle mind control tactic that slowly brings into affect , a slow process of subject , that link other subjects , that then links to one person .
In affect the "T,I" is slowly being mind programmed as an assassin .
Through many many years of being electronically harassed or gang stalked , the person is slowly driven to madness , however !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
these "T,I"s are usually the acclaimed "miss fits" or "drop outs" of society , that way , in the eventual outcome , a Dr's diagnosis of schizophrenia or clinical madness covers up the "T,I"s experiences as delusions and takes away the focus from the experiences to the "T.I"s mentality instead .

3) The "T,I" is close to something very important .they may have accidentally said something important or found something out of grave matters and has accidentally told a person who may have connections else where . This doesn't mean that the person they told has totally betrayed them with an intent , more over it could have been an accidental slip up , or just a comment that as made by the person they told near some one who does think its important . From there the person they told are politely and covertly through conversation asked questions as to where and when they heard the issue , this brings back the whole idea of being laid back to the "T,I" .
Thus, an unintentional process of _ being a loud mouth , gets them in trouble for a reason that was not sinister in the 1st place but turns out nasty in the long run through no fault of their own or their friends .

4) Too much prodding big brother , we know that this speaks for it self .

5) because they started off a ( just a comment doods don't bite me just get the idea of it ) looser in life and have managed to work them self off drugs and unemployment status to become pretty self dependant , which the system does not like because if they can do it , so can every one else .

6 )a mind control experiment has back fired and a slow process of targeting take place to crush the individuals character integrity .

7 )the individual has stuck out like a sour thumb and does not comply to the systems "hold you down" rules and is making a big change in their life . The big bros do not like this as , if one person can do it , so can the rest , so they do the slow process thing hence it can be done in and around a promotion.

8 ) The "T,I" is not liked by some one up top in position of councils , tax offices etc .


So why would so many people co-operate with such a sick idea ?
well the explanation is alot more simple than you might think .

Those who have been highered for this type of operation would have more than likely been lied to by the figure head for them to enlist .

this then makes those concerned actually think they are doing it for the good of society , as they may have been told that the individual could be a terrorist , or a fraudster . To the team highered for the intent , all they know is that they do it for good reasons whilst the "T,I" gets slowly freaked out .
these are cunning smart plans and are hard to stop if these individuals have no idea who to contact about it .


Eventually the person can get paranoid if they are unable to find others who know about this sickery .It is a horrifying situation indeed .
On this note i will tell individuals who experience this is that there is also another situation that rises from this .
NATURAL GOSSIP !
Sometimes , during the process , people blabb off news like hot gossip .
So word will naturally get around the area .This means , that some people could be looking at you strangely , or just making a passing comment because of rumors , this too can be widely mistaken as harassment or stalking .

I know this area very well indeed , and although i have seen some cases that are very true and so obvious , i have to admit that , like all subjects , there are also a lot of fake videos on this matter on the utube that do not cover natural gossip in their analysis .
however , lies and gossip does its own damage and is very similar in the way that it can come across which is why the topic of Big brother , surveillance ,
electronic harassment and gang stalking and mind control must be very carefully considered indeed .




If you wish to know more on this issue use the main utube sites to get is by typing in





MK ultra utube gang stalking

MK ultra mind control

electronic harassment utube

gang stalking utube

etc .
look out , some sites are actually controlled by the very enemy them selves .
but , alot of them do have some real good info.

Hope any of you have not endured this bstrd situation however i feel this may not be the case .
I also hope that this information helps any of you who have or are under going this trickery by big brother .:cool:


OH YES , Just for some advertised proof on this issue .

I now take you to a slightly different angel to show you true life admittance that local councils have placed servailance on people and trashed their lives using many techniques . This will shock you folks , believe it !
It's from an artical in a local authority magazine made by a local council that fully admits they trash peoples lives , but to see this truth , you have to learn how to undo how they put it together , so bare with me this is real bad stuff . the law actually concerns this situation .
Being "An individual who does not comply to concensors" or "AN individual who is apart from the hured" or is "inconsistant to the norm" of everyday masses .

think its not true , well let me take you to this , 1st read it , see how it works then judge for your self . at 1st the subject seems to have nothing to do with individuals , but after you will see how it actually directly attacks individuals , if you let me explain how .
i now take you to a magazine made by

Ashford borough council . August 2006 .

Artical = (title )
Making the country a safer place to live and do business .

( it says this on page 21 )
Kent trading standards supports the countries 54,000 businesses to trade in a fair , safe and lawfull manner to protect the interests of consumers with officers involved in a range of advice and enforcement activities including

1 ) targeting rogue traders and disrupting their activities .
2 ) reducing the supply of aged restricted goods .
3 ) helping to prevent the easy disposal of stolen goods into the second hand trade .
4 ) conducting focused campains
5 ) carrying out visits to traders and supporting local businesses to ensure that they comply with UK and European trading standard laws and business with complicated technical or indepth enquiries and problems
6 ) helping vunerable consumers
7 ) sending alert messages to warn consumers and partner organisations including , Citizens advice bureau , neighbourhood watch especially about rogue traders who are in their area .
8 ) warning consumers about loosing money to junk mail scams
9 ) encouraging young people to become "confident consumers" through the citizenship curriculum , and through school competitions .

Rogue traders on the increase.
trading standards are recieving more reports than ever about cold callers offering ---block paving / tarmacking / roofing / fascia / gutter repairs / tree cutting / switching energy supplies or perchasing antiques .Trading standard officers work closly with
police / community wardens / banks / volentary organisations to desrupt the activities of rogue traders and cowboys who feel no shame in taking thousands of pounds from suseptable consumers . all information recieved by officers helps identify the traders and the area currently being targeted .





Now folks , readers of this big thread , did you see it ? No ?
well allow me if you will .
definition of rogue found in the collins english dictionary .=

1) dishoenest or unprincipled person . ( but whos principles do they mean ?)
2) mischief loving person ( what ? if i love mischief they can target me ? )
3 ) a wild beast ( so bite me )
4 ) apart from the herd ( hhm , you mean masses then )

so let me straighten this out .
lets gat back to the top and see number 1 =
1 ) targeting rogue traders and disrupting their activities .

so if you are a unique person creating a unique self employed business that is different from that of the herd ( and you dont have to be a cowboy at all , just a unique trade ) you could have as quoted

police / community wardens / banks / volentary organisations to desrupt the activities

so how do they -------------disrupt your activities then ?
well if your van is mot and insured all legit etc , how do they take it away ?
they cant !
so what they do is comunicate with banks and local councils thus the "IN OUT" tactic i mentioned earlier is done on you . they use banks to put a hold on your acount , suspend benifits etc , whilst debting you with big bills in the other and , all creating a very inconvenient situation around you .

and did you see how they use law to allow the use of the word "rogue" and then justify this word next to "cowboy" to insinuate they mean the same thing when actually the 2 words are completly different in nature and name and meaning ?

yes they use the term "ROGUE" in the statute , but then undernieth justify the term "ROGUE" by using it next to "COWBOY" and then give all this info on how bad cowboys act etc . yet when we take it apart , what they are sayinfg is this .

if youve been on the doll for ages , or have never made anything work in your life , and begin to act out of the norm away from the herd , they will totally fkup your life using the above departments to do so .and they will do this in number 4 = 4 ) conducting focused campains and will also use number 5 =carrying out visits to traders and supporting local businesses .

Now if this doesnt sink in that this is real and we are all being fkd , nothing will sink in .

and by the way , this was admitted in 2006 , so this has actually have to had been tested 1st .
also , this is nothing , they have been doing it for years .
so ! if you think they are playing on your life






your probably right , and you only have to be a person away from the herd who does not comply to the consensers of things to have this harrasment !:cool:

Ive been experiancing situations indentical to what you describe,
for a while.
Today, Im back to worrying its a mental problem as the doctors
would say, and have said in the past.
I sence that many entities and people, and/or bloodlines
are a part of this in order to surpress me because I have so much
information that could make alot of people look very stupid,
and change the thinking of the hypnotised masses.

I feel Im at a dead end. I feel like Im being watched,
but the consensus is there is somthing wrong with me.
Its becoming more difficult to distigwish the dark
energies from the positive ones.

Also movies conserning this make me feel as if Im delusional.

[lewi]

Check this out then :eek:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7711698.stm

:eek:

[shodan]

Check this out then :eek:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7711698.stm

:eek:


from that link

Recent losses of personal data held on discs, laptops and USB keys by governments and companies have highlighted the need for better security. Here Dan Simmons looks to see if biometrics can help.

Its astonishing how easily some of the masses are conditioned.

[tracker]

Check this out then :eek:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7711698.stm

:eek:

yes ! bloody typical if you ask me . its a sly way to say we wanted the ID chip but want to make it look not so bad , so instead look at this idea its not a chip .

typical tactics .

thanks for that one lewi .

i wonder if there is a way out of it like

collecting enough DNA off someone ?
then doing fraud on that tactic .

you never know , what about all that blood in hospitals ?
surely that would be enough to create some type of chemical signiture to fool machines thus , once you can achieve that , you could get any inoscent joe in trouble , infact it would be easier because machines would have logged in some one elses DNA signiture .
this is a horrifying thought .:cool:

[tracker]

from that link



Its astonishing how easily some of the masses are conditioned.


wait until the shit hits the fan and home safety turns into a servival issue .
after all the masses move in masses .

anyone who has stocked up will be at wrisk , so if you do stock up , dont tell anyone coz like all sheeple they will just be a big brother operetive and dobb you in so that all your hard work supplies are taken .

to see what supplies you might need when the going gets tough see my home survival thread and wazaaaps survival list thread .

[unusual_suspect]

wait until the shit hits the fan and home safety turns into a servival issue .
after all the masses move in masses .

anyone who has stocked up will be at wrisk , so if you do stock up , dont tell anyone coz like all sheeple they will just be a big brother operetive and dobb you in so that all your hard work supplies are taken .

to see what supplies you might need when the going gets tough see my home survival thread and wazaaaps survival list thread .

Do you believe that tptb will spread propagande making the masses believe that to stock up on food, save money, grow your own food etc is selfish and uncommunitarian - eg going against the collective?

[tracker]

Do you believe that tptb will spread propagande making the masses believe that to stock up on food, save money, grow your own food etc is selfish and uncommunitarian - eg going against the collective?

no i dont .
i dont believe that stocking up food by buying the odd extra tin of beans or soup per week is bad .

just because i say dont tell others , it does not mean dont help others .

one has to learn to be descreit about it . for instance .

say if i have bought an extra tin of beans per week etc and one day the crunch comes .
now ? if a young lady or couple have a baby who is hungry , one can always be descreit about it and offer them over for a chat , hence then by the end of the night young baby has a full tummy .

it is hard to say exactly how to do it all coz it is a delicate subject .
but just because i say dont tell others , it doesnt mean i say dont help them .

i am a lover of the himan race not a hater , so no , i dont believe its a bad thing .

its prudent planning thats all .
one has to understand the nature of the beast , to learn how not to be controlled by it .

i know this much , i wont be crying when the crunch comes and if i can lighten the load for others when it does come then all the better for everyone , but make no mistake i will not advertise it on a big billboard for every one to see . not when it comes i wont .:cool:

i have a family and children and do this for them , not me .

[unusual_suspect]

I dont think I explained what I meant very well. What I meant was that hypothetically, do you think that tptb may spread propaganda regarding the practise of storing food etc?

To make people think that such a practise is unacceptable and therefore to spread fear and mistrust among others, in essence to make people police each other? :)

[tracker]

I dont think I explained what I meant very well. What I meant was that hypothetically, do you think that tptb may spread propaganda regarding the practise of storing food etc?

To make people think that such a practise is unacceptable and therefore to spread fear and mistrust among others, in essence to make people police each other? :)

oh i see now , well if you wish to see it that way yes it can seem that way , but this forum is not eaxactly a normal pitched forum is it ?

i am hoping that people who come here may be a little more reserved and mature than to believe that what they should do is make banners and posters telling people to suddenly rush out and store provisions and dont trust others , because thats not what i am trying to achieve .

i am hoping to appeal to others who do generally have these concerns , because their are quite a few here that do .
to put it mildly i made this thread because there was a few parents here with some concerns on what might happen , so instead of giving them the "there there" or "dont worry nothing will happen" or " its all hype" chat , what i said was that sometimes its just best to face those fears , get rid of them , by ?

yes youve got it , making preperations thus getting rid of the fear .

some of them have thanked me for it and are now sitting a little more comfy for it as i have had pm from them saying thankyou .

overall my aim is only making threads like this if people want to know what to do , but dont know where to find the info , otherwise believe it , i would rather not have to do this as we should have sorted out this god forsaken system years ago , and as we know , totally rellying on this system is naive and could lead to a national desaster .

i have made two threads on it .
monitoring by big bro and home safety survival thread .

it doesnt appear nice in some light , but then , i think that rellying on this system is worse .

in the end my threads are created to give some advice to allow for an ease during hard times , and an attempt to ease the pressure on worried parents .

otherwise , quite frankly , i dont think that meditating , praying or believing life is an illusion will fill hungry childrens tummies at the end of the day .

its just a different aproach .:cool:

[tracker]

now to get back on track , other than

all phone lines being tapped
all PC emails being monitored
your pic taken 300 times a day in town centers
your cars registration number taken by new cameras soon to be installed to see if you are not wareing a seat belt.
armed citizens with speed cameras

it wont take long before all posts and corispondants are also noted .

our time is near , and the hour is closing fast .
if you dont take this seriously no matter what you believe , how on earth will you look your children in the face when they ask
"what was you doing about it when it all came in ?"

coz when they do ask , you can take credit for being part of that problem for doing nothing about it when it came in , after all inaction is a form of mass destruction .

this is serious folks , this is no joke .

and all of this crap has come about because apparently

a team of heavily armed people took over an airoplane with plastic knives and forks . the planes had fully capable men and grown adults on it .

apparently 4 children ( teenagers ) managed to run rings around the elite police squads and servailance security and killed 50 people on trains .

all this , for the deaths of 50 people .

now dont get me wrong i was shocked too and felt for those families , but all this is well blown out of preportion , because northern ireland killed more in terrorist attacks than any muslim fundamentalist group have here in britain over the last 50 years .
other than lockaby ( not spelled correctly ) london was the only other muslim fundamentalist attack here on the main land .

so all those laws and systems for that ?

something is seriously wrong in this country and if people cant see it , we are more fkd than we think .:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

it wont take long before all posts and corispondants are also noted .



I kinda think they are already, the internet is slowly being censored, just look at Australia. I'm really not sure what to do about it other than contact MP's petition etc, like that's going to make a difference.

[tracker]

I kinda think they are already, the internet is slowly being censored, just look at Australia. I'm really not sure what to do about it other than contact MP's petition etc, like that's going to make a difference.

yes and this is the sad case we are in .

it has never eally made any difference , they will do what they want to do with or with out our concent mainly because the masses are spineless , week , cant be bothered and are


really most of the problem in the 1st case because with out the masses inactions , they would never have got away with this crap in the 1st place .

this country is not what our country went to war to fight for .

its a complete state run by gangsters and pedos , gun sellers and war mongerers .

its gonna be a long dark road to freedom thats for sure .

when the masses do finally wake up and riot , you wont find me backing them up .
ill be finding a safe place to live out those months thats for sure .

it could be done piecefully right now , but as we know the masses are pathetic and dont usually learn until its too late , then they riot and kill . so regarding that crap , im not being part of their idea of liberation when it comes thats for sure .:cool:

[tracker]

the sheeple who do not protest most of the time are as much to blame for these laws etc as big brother is for making them .
and then sheeple co-operate with the system and do it for a living .

[tracker]

Bumped for Ian2day .

hope it might have helped .

[Ian2day]

Bumped for Ian2day .

hope it might have helped .


I'm sure I had actually replied to this thread months back! There has been selective pruning of my internet activity taking place. I have noticed a number of my threads from the talent section of the site gone missing. These were ones containing lyrics with links back to the original threads I wrote the lyrics in.

A bit like the job Winston Smith has in the film 1984.

[tracker]

I'm sure I had actually replied to this thread months back! There has been selective pruning of my internet activity taking place. I have noticed a number of my threads from the talent section of the site gone missing. These were ones containing lyrics with links back to the original threads I wrote the lyrics in.

A bit like the job Winston Smith has in the film 1984.

your not the only one who has said this to me before .

its nothing to do with mods here thats for sure .

its those who monitor the web .maybe but defo not the mods here .

one would have to make a galactic fkup for that to happen here .:cool:

[tracker]

its a shame because folks wont take this seriously enough untill its all too late and all there ready installed and on the go under the new ID card scheme .

its already happening .

when the ID card comes out the shit really will hit the fan .

[bahnhof]

This is exactly what happend to me for MOST OF ME LIFE.

And I am sick of it.
This is the most denied, most ridiculed problem ever.

Its basicly one of the worst things that can happen to you.
Even the Internet is swarming with fake "TI's" or disinformants trying to make us look like total nutcases. I cant tell you just how damn sick I am of this. I KNOW FOR SURE IT WILL NOT STOP.
And I damn know for sure it is happening. So many exact situations that I read all over. This "Cause/Gang Stalking'' is one of the worst forms of viololation of human rights. People must be out of their damn minds. TO TRY TO KILL people on a day to day basis. 24/7.
Its just out of this world.

[tracker]

This is exactly what happend to me for MOST OF ME LIFE.

And I am sick of it.
This is the most denied, most ridiculed problem ever.

Its basicly one of the worst things that can happen to you.
Even the Internet is swarming with fake "TI's" or disinformants trying to make us look like total nutcases. I cant tell you just how damn sick I am of this. I KNOW FOR SURE IT WILL NOT STOP.
And I damn know for sure it is happening. So many exact situations that I read all over. This "Cause/Gang Stalking'' is one of the worst forms of viololation of human rights. People must be out of their damn minds. TO TRY TO KILL people on a day to day basis. 24/7.
Its just out of this world.

i agree . do you know what gets my back up ?

ive never heard of gangstalking untilthis year , but i use it so that others can relate to the situation through the name . basicly its not really gangstalking , its authority harrassment endstop !
like i said , before this year i had never heard of gangstalking , ive always called it harrassment !

i use the word cang stalking so that others can relate to the situation at hand but my issue is this .

all my threads opening page has been written from 1st hand experiences , and not the nets idea of what it is .
this year when i heard of gang stalking i looked on in serprise . i was serprised to see so many others who went through similar problems to my self but guess what ?
MK ultra / cathy obrian etc , is double talk ! she is a plant so that people stay confused meees thinks . would you like to know why ?

because it all points you away from the true fact that humanity is not in control over their own mind . basicly putting it , planet earth is sick ! easily lead , mind controlled etc , however if you can convince poeple that others are being tricked into a good course and there fore become part of the gang stalking with out them knowing it , it takes you away from the truth .
we are being programmed from birth , defo schools , to grow up in such a manner that we actually go out of our way to fk each others life up !
im saying that people even get kicks out of it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but if we can attempt to make others think its and "ILLUSIVE" MI5 trick or MK ULTRA watch and monitor us plan , it takes away the focus away from the true source ! our education . not forgetting that education also comes from TV ? adults / past / present and belief structures etc etc etc .

the fraud on gangstalking also never tell people that if it is happening to them that also "NATURAL RUMOR" mongering also happens and this can be confused with gang stalking , and if they both happen at the same time , some of the indicators of being gang staled can be confused with gang stalking .

but do any of the sights mention this ?

NO THEY DONT !

why ?

because i agree with you , many sights on gang stalking are frauds ! copies of other peoples true life situations .

frauds ! basicly !


i noticed it too , and none of them also talk about how people can be naturally predudice . mix that with rumor mongerers , cruel and rasist groups etc , and you could find that gang stalking can be confused with this situation .

gang stalking sites are crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the truth is this , it happens only fro m authorative figures endstop !
our councils / banks / large businesses etc etc etc .

bloody street gangs etc ?????????????

yes rumors dont help but believe it , a lot of sites are so up their back sides , i agree they probably are disinfo sites !

[tracker]

[QUOTE=bahnhof;641538]This is exactly what happend to me for MOST OF ME LIFE.

And I am sick of it.
This is the most denied, most ridiculed problem ever.

Its basicly one of the worst things that can happen to you.
Even the Internet is swarming with fake "TI's" or disinformants trying to make us look like total nutcases. QUOTE]

its a stratergy im sure you know.:cool:

[realllly]

I think that people here are all a little bit to worried. For a start, MK Ultra or any other form of mind controlling does not exist-it has simply been created to create fear.
Most governments do not have the resources to always be spying on a large number of civilians.


"Even the fear of death is nothing compared to the fear of not having lived authentically and fully."

So I ask you, are you living your life authentically or are you letting a bunch of unsustained rumours control your lives.

[jahzel]

In the words of George W. Bush, "Bring it on!"

[tracker]

I think that people here are all a little bit to worried. For a start, MK Ultra or any other form of mind controlling does not exist-it has simply been created to create fear.
Most governments do not have the resources to always be spying on a large number of civilians.


"Even the fear of death is nothing compared to the fear of not having lived authentically and fully."

So I ask you, are you living your life authentically or are you letting a bunch of unsustained rumours control your lives.


this is what im saying although i did mention to go to MK ultra sites .

i too think all this MK ultra is leading people away from truth . MK ultra and gang stalking are masks for what is really happening and thats big brother pestering us , even in the home .

[bob_jones]

OK I have read most of this thread and all I can say is that the illuminati are in the banks. Banks are the big one.
But they have busineses too.
One of the most profitable is pharmaceuticals.
You might understand that in my case there are hundreds of people that have been bribed by the police to attack me with bio-warfare germs and give me runny shit.
Chip-shops, bar maids, any food outlet and any people physically near me as soon as my back is turned.
Here is a fraud I uncovered many years ago and they give bribes to the politicians including Hellen Marry Jones AM for Llanelli, Tony Blair, who had to have Jill Dando murdered to cover it up and even £12,000,000 to Elisabeth Windsor who blew it on a party.
So they could well be bribing dozens if not hundreds of people around you for real.
They can do this because you are one and they are everyone else. They are cowards and want to be part of the bigger group. They are always told how much fun it is and made to laugh at your expense.
They murder people that do not take bribes to come in on the conspiracy e.g.
Richard Whitley was poisoned to have a heart attack by his dinner guests from the Telegraph and Daily Mail:-
They can always lie their way out by accusing you of mental illness and even if you have proof you have few people outside the conspiracy to show it to.
I know this from my experience not yours.
But here is the fraud they make so much money out of:-

Fraudulent Psychiatric Drugs
I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering form Swansea University in 1997. My first job a chemical engineer was a Nipa Laboratories in Llantwit Fardre near Pontypridd in the South Wales Valleys.
My main responsibility was to run the P2 methanol recovery Column. This was to distil a mixture of 10% methanol 90% water into a top product of 99% methanol and not more than 1% water and produce a waste product of 99% water and not more than 1% methanol that was sent to the effluent storage tank before being tanked away by Welsh Water for treatment before it could be put in the dirty water drainage system of the country.
During my job interview I was warned by the Technical Director Gareth Vokins that the site was dirty as most of the chemicals had no pharmacological tests done on them. As the months went by I came to appreciate the serious illegality of this. Garth Vokin's God son the Healthy and Safety Officer Glyn Cox told me that there were no safety trap doors around the ladders on the three story high distillation column because he had bribed the Health and Safety Executive £800 for them to pass the safety certificate to allow them to being production at the commissioning stage of the life of the distillation column. The law requires any ladder of over three meters in height to have safety trap doors at the opening at the top or safety gates so that workers can not fall to their potential death by stepping into the opening around the top of the ladders. For pulling of the job off bribing the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) he told me he was given £400 by Gareth Vokins. Glyn Cox told me how it was an on going thing to give bribes to the HSE and that the man from the HSE that inspected the column was not interested in it at all but was keen to come up to the office to pick up his cheque for £800.
One day there was a chemistry problem with the development of the process for a new product and Gareth Vokins was losing his temper as he frequently did as he had earned the nick name "The Viper".
I walked into the laboratory part of the factory and was confided in by a Scots man that worked there. He told me that he did not know why the Viper was shouting at him because he was not a chemist but a psychologist and that he was only pretending to be a chemist for cover for his real job at Nipa Laboratories.
He went on to tell me that Nipa laboratories did not make that much money from producing and selling chemicals but that he had been secretly assessed at Swansea University while doing his degree in psychology for criminal tendencies before being offered his job at Nipa. He told me that they had taken the chance that he would not mind being a criminal to earn lots of money and were right. He said that he had paid off the mortgage on a three story house in King Edwards Road in Swansea only two and a half years after graduation for doing his secret job at Nipa Laboratories.
He explained that his job was to do medical research for the institute of psychiatry in London, the professional body governing psychiatrists. He told me that I too had been secretly assessed at university for criminal attributes and that his job was to write research notes on the workers claiming that the chemicals that they were illegally being exposed to were having beneficial effects on their mental health.
He told me that he had me down as being a little bit mentally ill when I left university but having been exposed to chemicals at Nipa Laboratories I was better.
He confided that the typical profit on a psychiatric drug is 4000% and so he had to write research notes claiming that the chemicals at Nipa were having anti-psychotic effects on the workers. He admitted that he made this up entirely but said that he had to do it because that is what made the money.
He told me how the notes he made were sold as research to the institute of psychiatry in London and they would sell them on to pharmaceutical companies at a profit with the assurance that they would make sure their members the psychiatrists would all say the chemical was an anti-psychotic if they developed it onto the market as a psychiatric drug.
This was except for the reprographic printing ink. They were not making any money on the printing ink business as they could be manufactured more cheaply in the Far East and so they were keeping that one for themselves as it was being developed as an anti-psychotic medication that was going to produce an 8000% profit.
He said that at first he never thought he would get away with it but the man that did secondary research for them thought it was a really good anti-psychotic and he was getting good results by testing it on humans that were meant to be mentally ill.
This was developed, I believe, by BTP and is now on the market as an A-typical anti-psychotic called Respiradone marketed by Janssen and is sold to the NHS for £120 per injection. It causes permanent lactation in women so they have to change their bras every day and I have heard that it causes the face to tingle. It needs an extra large nozzle for injection as the particles of soot are squashed by the small hole in a normal hypodermic needle.
He told me that he could not believe that it was taken to be a cure for mental illness as he had made up the claims that it was having any beneficial effect on the mental health of the workers at Nipa Laboratories entirely.
He also told me that the biocide facility was been used for chemical weapons research by the Ministry of Defence and that if anyone ever tried to blow the whistle on it that they would be assassinated by the Ministry of Defence.
The law requires that any chemical in production has pharmacological tests done on them as they must be submitted to the Health and Safety Executive so that they can use the toxicity data etc to set an occupational exposure limit.
However none were done on the vast majority of chemicals at Nipa Laboratories so that it was not even legal to expose worker to the smell of these chemicals. As no occupational exposure limit had been set as this sets out the maximum level in the air that a worker can be exposed to for 8hrs per day six days a week and 52 weeks of the year.
The maintenance manager Roy Rixon was in charge of sacking people that became ill due to exposure to chemicals at Nipa Laboratories. He would tell them that they were complacent and that their hearts were not in the job because they had come out in a big red rash or become pale as a sheet and lacking in energy.
I was sacked by Roy Rixon for this reason on 28/01/98.
Nipa laboratories were part of BTP plc with their headquarters in Cadishead in Manchester. The share price slumped in 1999 despite the police corruption they had funded to re-butt the truth about their corrupt and illegal practices. They would regularly send out spies to community meetings about the smells coming from the factory to make sure that Friends of the Earth were not onto them for covering the local hosing and woodland with chemicals with no pharmacological tests done on them.
During February and March 2000 the share trading firm Potam managed a take-over by Swiss owned chemical giant Clarient as they are no listed on the stock exchange and so did not need a reputation for honest accounting and so on.
So now the whole of what was BTP is called Clarient Chemicals and so there is a Clarient Chemicals in Llantwit Fardre between Llantrisant and Pontypridd.
The accountant told me to stop collecting data on the P2 methanol recovery column because he was going to include more overheads to make it look more profitable.
Written by Robert Alexander Jones on 22/09/07 revised 12/12/07

[bob_jones]

Dear Mr, Al-Fayed,
I am sending you a public letter as letting people keep secrets for you leads to your murder at the hands of the blood thirsty Royal Family.
I was watching the TV news this evening and I hear that you have been the victim of an allegation of sexual assault against a fifteen year old girl.
I can only give you the benefit of my experience.
Firstly it is obvious that the Royal Family have motive to try and set you with a malicious allegation as they are concerned that you have discovered the motive as to why they had Lady Diana Spencer murdered.
You know that Sir John Stevens was being entirely dishonest when he said that he could find no motive for the "Firm" to assassinate Lady Diana because you know that I had many long conversations with operation Paget officers starting on 4/01/06.
You know that Lady Diana could have got back at "gear box" Camilla and Charles "Call me George the seventh" by telling the press that the Royal Household do not legally own any Royal Estates and have no right of succession in law and never have done since the controversial crowning of George of Hanover in 1714.
You know that 57 more hereditary legitimate heirs to the throne were passed over to satisfy the Act of Settlement 1701 for a Protestant Monarch.
You know that George of Hanover never owned any Royal Estates and so never had any to give to his descendents and his descendents were not legitimate and bribery and intimidation has had to be used to maintain the crown in the hands of those that do not have any legitimate claim to it.
You must know then that according to known history the heir to the throne is Franz Duke of Baveria as he is not Catholic and so takes president over Charles and all Windsors.
You also know that history is wrong and there is an even closer hereditary link to the throne atained by myself due to the historically unknown off-spring of Henry the Ninth younger brother of Bonnie Prince Charlie.
You know that Diana had sent a man to warn me that Prince Charles was bribing all my friends and so you know that she knew enough to expose the Windsors as a fraud that only truth have squatter's right in law. Overwhelming motive to have her murdered!
You know that they knew that the Royal Family were [and still are] engaged in a long running campaign of bio-chemical warfare terrorism against me and Prince Charles and his Agent Y can not bare the though of me evading their terrorism to eat uncontaminated food and so avoid liquid bowels.
Recently I managed to go for two weeks and two days without liquid bowels. But have realised that keeping food in a locked tool box is not beyond their capabilities of subversion.
What I can tell you is that the Royal Household have a proven history of using bribery to solicit false allegations of a sexual nature against myself.
This adding proof that I have a better claim to the throne than Charles Windsor.
After the attempt on my life using VX-nerve gas in February 2004 I tried to find safety in the Republic of Ireland and the Windsor/Bair plot to murder me evolved into an attempt to get the IRA to murder me by falsely accusing me of being a spy.
When I returned to Llanelli in October 2005 having been away since June 2004 I found that all the people the Royals had bribed to take part in the cowardly plot to murder me had tried to make themselves feel better about their treachery by making a flase justification for their high crimes by spreading a false rumour that I was a pedophile.
The first one of the traitors to make me aware of this rumour was Helen Boles whom I caught spreading the rumour around Bar Lunar night club.
The confirmation of this came in February 2006 when in Bar Lunar night club I spied a young lady in a white dress. She was at the bar and bought a Vodka Mudshake. She then made eye contact and sat side on in front of me so that I would go and speak to her.
I went up to her and said I had not seen her before and asked her her name.
She replied "I do not wish to speak to you. I do not speak to child molesters". And then she intoduced herself as a member of the Royal Household.
She spoke and sounded like the Queen and so was obviously not local to Llanelli.
I informed her that "No-one around here believes those allegations anymore as because they were solicited by corrupt police officers using bribery".
She replied "No there's proof"
I asked her her name again and she reasserted that "I do not wish to give you my name".
I did not speak to her again and had never seen her there before or since.
I have since tried to find out about these allegations and first thought that my neigbours of 20 New Road had made them.
After the VX-nerve gas attack in February 2004 I made some secert friends that lived at the top of New Road. I had known Rose for a long time at a distance since I used to go out with Alison Joy Williams my girlfreind who was in the pay of Prince Charles in the early 1990s.
Her partner was called Rob and I used to visit them as my secret freinds and they were disccusted at what had happened to me and Rob told me that he had never heard of such a scandal in his life.
But then he went to a party where my old friends were. The ones Lady Diana had warned me were being bribed by Prince Charles.
Rob's attitude to me soon changed and he seemed to be repeating all the typical deformations that are the halmarks of someone in the pay of the Royal Household.
I can only conclude that he had been bribed when my old friends Jason Thomas, Robert James Craig and Dylan Thomas had found out that I had made a supportive freind that was outside the murder conspiracy.
However I was told by Rose's ex-husband's brother that Rose and Rob were not the source of the pedophile allegation but that it was Robert James Craig and Sian that had been bribed to make the alleagtion.
They have been avoiding me since I retuned in October 2005 and I have only spoke to Rob Craig once since then and that was in the frame of the usual pretence of normality.
However Una the Landlady of the Killkenny Cat Pub in Westend Llanelli had been spreading rumours of me being a pedophile as she had been paid a bribe to take part in Charles Windsor's plot to murder me with VX-nerve gas.
She had been perfectly two faced about it as traitors are supposed to be but after I put a temporary poster on the post box at the end of Stradey Park Avenue saying "New Labour have had a lot of people murdered" and her pub filled up with people that had been to the rygby match in Stradey Park she lost her dacorum as the pub became too full of people talking about it for her to spread corruption.
So the next time I went to her pub I tried to speak to a man with long hair from Brecon that I had spoke to once before.
He turned around and punched me.
I said "Aw! What was that for?" And he said it was because I was a paedophile. I asked "Who told you that?" and he pointed at Una the land lady.
She then threatened to call the police and I said "Well I could make a complaint but I don't really want to because it is embarrassing".
Una replied "Is that because he hit you because you are a paedophile?"
I said "No. I meant embarrasing for him because he didn't even cut my lip."
She then said "I don't think you should come here any more" and I replied "I am no going to if you are going to call me a paedophile". And began to return to my seat. She asked "Where are you going?" I said "I am going to finish my drink. You shouldn't have sold it to me if you don't want me drinking it in here".
I next day I had liquid runs as the Newcastle Brown Ale bottle had been contaminated with bio-warfare germs. This was the only explanation as I had made sure I was no infected by any other means that day.
Not long before that Una had walked passed Joly's Cafe and waved and smiled at me. That day I spotted faint white spots on the spoon and had liquid runs with twenty minuites of eating there and so on Sunday I put a poster on the door so passers-by would know of their germ warfare terrorism.
On a night out the week after there was a woman making a scene in the Kerbab shop. The one next door to the Grill'N'Spice where the man that answeres to the name Lance Corporal Jebrom Hashmir works as a germ warfare specialist for M.I.6 and did not die in Afghanistan as reported in the press.
The woman that told me she was from No. 62 New Road was falling to the floor and hammering it and screaming "He's a pedophile" and crying loundly. She was being devestated that her husband was a pedophile and had molested her baby and so that was why she was living with her parents at No.62.
I joined her and her group and she did a repeat performance as we walked home.
A man in his mid twenties was with her and asked me if I had put that poster on the door of Joly's cafe and I told him I had.
He told me that he was from M.I.5 and said that I was impossible to get angry with me because they had attacked me with bio-warfare germs because they had taken bribes after being told I was a pedophile.
He told me the germ agent used was Helical Bactor Pylori.
Then he mentioned the screaming woman that was on the floor and hammering her fist on the ground and shouting "pedo".
He asked me if I hadn't noticed that she was over acting and told me that she had been bribed to go out and do all that because the police wanted to impress on people what terrible people paedophiles are.
When Prince Charles did his bum finger stage hypnotism stunt on 4/08/06 a few weeks after the incident in the Kilkenny Cat I passed by the man with long hair from Brecon as I walkked under the big arch outside Stead and Simpsons shoe shop.
I said "Alright?" to him as I remembered why I knew his face.
Twenty meters later I was outside Boots walking along holding my trousers around my knees as Prince Charles sexually assaulted my anus using his stage hypnotism stunt. He second performance as he has done if before in the early 1990s and Diana could have told the world.
Looking on the funny side it was because he knows that that is the only way he is ever going to get to wear a King's ring!!
Councillor Janet Greig was standing in the alcove of the security door just after the entrance door to Boots watching this assault.
She is Parliamentary secretary to Dominic Grieve in Westminster and later after I was assaulted and falsely imprisoned on the 26/08/06 by Charles' corrupt police force Janet Grieg came and pretended to be a hospital manager during my rigged manager's hearing.
After Charles had made off with my art work New Britania I made my way home re-kegged and saw Una and her daughter passing by Barkley's Bank and so they too may have seen the sexula assault by Charles Windsor.
Please see attachment for details.
The legal ruling of the situation is simple.
Magna Carta makes the Monarch subject to law.
It is precedent set during the trial of Charles the first that the Monarch commits an offence of treason if they go against any subject without due process of law.
As the Monarch is clearly guilty of high treason she is abdicated in law and that makes me King Robert the first of England as Chalres Windsor has no claim in law and is awaiting trial once the paperwork is amended to hold the true name of the king.
And so you or anyone else may not be prosecuted in the name of the Queen as she is no longer Queen in law.
You could never recieve a fair trial and by my command there is no authrity in the conceopt of a Queen Elisabeth the second you may lawfuly recoginse.
Long Live King Robert The Great!!
Upon further invetigation Dylan Thomas tells me that Robert James Craig would not have accused me of being a pedophile and remarked how childish an allegation it would be.
A pedophile is someone the Windsor's don't like vey much in this context.
I hope this information and judgement will be of use to you as Elisabeth Windsor is a woman and when chastised for doing something despicable and deplorable such as fabricating false allegations of such a low nature she has the tendency to try and show she has done no wrong by repeating the crime.

Yours sincerely,
Robert Alexander Jones Rex

[shenoma]

I think a lot of the mods on this forum need to study up on their history, but I highly doubt any will be brave enough to have a real debate without putting a boot on other's face, if they don't like what they hear.

[cluas]

have any of you heard of the "Teleguard" system that came out in '76 :confused:
I read it first at AboveTopSecret (about a year ago), then i read it again in Tsarions book about Atlantis....:
(Michael Tsarion-Atlantis-Alien-Visitation And Genetic Manipulation)

1976
Teleguard TG2 DE monitoring device begins to be
installed in all TV sets. The device is capable of transmission of
all activities and sounds in front of the set to satellite and CIA headquarters.
Confirmed in 1993 investigation.

Oh my :eek:

Apparently the info comes from this site :

http://www.trufax.org/

Does anyone even know of this ???`

I find it very hard to believe, since there is absolutely NO info on this anywhere :mad:

...AND I DONT WANT IT TO BE TRUE....

[tracker]

OK I have read most of this thread and all I can say is that the illuminati are in the banks. Banks are the big one.
But they have busineses too.
One of the most profitable is pharmaceuticals.
You might understand that in my case there are hundreds of people that have been bribed by the police to attack me with bio-warfare germs and give me runny shit.
Chip-shops, bar maids, any food outlet and any people physically near me as soon as my back is turned.
Here is a fraud I uncovered many years ago and they give bribes to the politicians including Hellen Marry Jones AM for Llanelli, Tony Blair, who had to have Jill Dando murdered to cover it up and even £12,000,000 to Elisabeth Windsor who blew it on a party.
So they could well be bribing dozens if not hundreds of people around you for real.
They can do this because you are one and they are everyone else. They are cowards and want to be part of the bigger group. They are always told how much fun it is and made to laugh at your expense.
They murder people that do not take bribes to come in on the conspiracy e.g.
Richard Whitley was poisoned to have a heart attack by his dinner guests from the Telegraph and Daily Mail:-
They can always lie their way out by accusing you of mental illness and even if you have proof you have few people outside the conspiracy to show it to.
I know this from my experience not yours.
But here is the fraud they make so much money out of:-

Fraudulent Psychiatric Drugs
I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering form Swansea University in 1997. My first job a chemical engineer was a Nipa Laboratories in Llantwit Fardre near Pontypridd in the South Wales Valleys.
My main responsibility was to run the P2 methanol recovery Column. This was to distil a mixture of 10% methanol 90% water into a top product of 99% methanol and not more than 1% water and produce a waste product of 99% water and not more than 1% methanol that was sent to the effluent storage tank before being tanked away by Welsh Water for treatment before it could be put in the dirty water drainage system of the country.
During my job interview I was warned by the Technical Director Gareth Vokins that the site was dirty as most of the chemicals had no pharmacological tests done on them. As the months went by I came to appreciate the serious illegality of this. Garth Vokin's God son the Healthy and Safety Officer Glyn Cox told me that there were no safety trap doors around the ladders on the three story high distillation column because he had bribed the Health and Safety Executive £800 for them to pass the safety certificate to allow them to being production at the commissioning stage of the life of the distillation column. The law requires any ladder of over three meters in height to have safety trap doors at the opening at the top or safety gates so that workers can not fall to their potential death by stepping into the opening around the top of the ladders. For pulling of the job off bribing the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) he told me he was given £400 by Gareth Vokins. Glyn Cox told me how it was an on going thing to give bribes to the HSE and that the man from the HSE that inspected the column was not interested in it at all but was keen to come up to the office to pick up his cheque for £800.
One day there was a chemistry problem with the development of the process for a new product and Gareth Vokins was losing his temper as he frequently did as he had earned the nick name "The Viper".
I walked into the laboratory part of the factory and was confided in by a Scots man that worked there. He told me that he did not know why the Viper was shouting at him because he was not a chemist but a psychologist and that he was only pretending to be a chemist for cover for his real job at Nipa Laboratories.
He went on to tell me that Nipa laboratories did not make that much money from producing and selling chemicals but that he had been secretly assessed at Swansea University while doing his degree in psychology for criminal tendencies before being offered his job at Nipa. He told me that they had taken the chance that he would not mind being a criminal to earn lots of money and were right. He said that he had paid off the mortgage on a three story house in King Edwards Road in Swansea only two and a half years after graduation for doing his secret job at Nipa Laboratories.
He explained that his job was to do medical research for the institute of psychiatry in London, the professional body governing psychiatrists. He told me that I too had been secretly assessed at university for criminal attributes and that his job was to write research notes on the workers claiming that the chemicals that they were illegally being exposed to were having beneficial effects on their mental health.
He told me that he had me down as being a little bit mentally ill when I left university but having been exposed to chemicals at Nipa Laboratories I was better.
He confided that the typical profit on a psychiatric drug is 4000% and so he had to write research notes claiming that the chemicals at Nipa were having anti-psychotic effects on the workers. He admitted that he made this up entirely but said that he had to do it because that is what made the money.
He told me how the notes he made were sold as research to the institute of psychiatry in London and they would sell them on to pharmaceutical companies at a profit with the assurance that they would make sure their members the psychiatrists would all say the chemical was an anti-psychotic if they developed it onto the market as a psychiatric drug.
This was except for the reprographic printing ink. They were not making any money on the printing ink business as they could be manufactured more cheaply in the Far East and so they were keeping that one for themselves as it was being developed as an anti-psychotic medication that was going to produce an 8000% profit.
He said that at first he never thought he would get away with it but the man that did secondary research for them thought it was a really good anti-psychotic and he was getting good results by testing it on humans that were meant to be mentally ill.
This was developed, I believe, by BTP and is now on the market as an A-typical anti-psychotic called Respiradone marketed by Janssen and is sold to the NHS for £120 per injection. It causes permanent lactation in women so they have to change their bras every day and I have heard that it causes the face to tingle. It needs an extra large nozzle for injection as the particles of soot are squashed by the small hole in a normal hypodermic needle.
He told me that he could not believe that it was taken to be a cure for mental illness as he had made up the claims that it was having any beneficial effect on the mental health of the workers at Nipa Laboratories entirely.
He also told me that the biocide facility was been used for chemical weapons research by the Ministry of Defence and that if anyone ever tried to blow the whistle on it that they would be assassinated by the Ministry of Defence.
The law requires that any chemical in production has pharmacological tests done on them as they must be submitted to the Health and Safety Executive so that they can use the toxicity data etc to set an occupational exposure limit.
However none were done on the vast majority of chemicals at Nipa Laboratories so that it was not even legal to expose worker to the smell of these chemicals. As no occupational exposure limit had been set as this sets out the maximum level in the air that a worker can be exposed to for 8hrs per day six days a week and 52 weeks of the year.
The maintenance manager Roy Rixon was in charge of sacking people that became ill due to exposure to chemicals at Nipa Laboratories. He would tell them that they were complacent and that their hearts were not in the job because they had come out in a big red rash or become pale as a sheet and lacking in energy.
I was sacked by Roy Rixon for this reason on 28/01/98.
Nipa laboratories were part of BTP plc with their headquarters in Cadishead in Manchester. The share price slumped in 1999 despite the police corruption they had funded to re-butt the truth about their corrupt and illegal practices. They would regularly send out spies to community meetings about the smells coming from the factory to make sure that Friends of the Earth were not onto them for covering the local hosing and woodland with chemicals with no pharmacological tests done on them.
During February and March 2000 the share trading firm Potam managed a take-over by Swiss owned chemical giant Clarient as they are no listed on the stock exchange and so did not need a reputation for honest accounting and so on.
So now the whole of what was BTP is called Clarient Chemicals and so there is a Clarient Chemicals in Llantwit Fardre between Llantrisant and Pontypridd.
The accountant told me to stop collecting data on the P2 methanol recovery column because he was going to include more overheads to make it look more profitable.
Written by Robert Alexander Jones on 22/09/07 revised 12/12/07

bob-jones .
this situation does not serprise me .
only today i was talking to a supervisor who i knew years ago and he was just a monkey boy ( not my term but his own ) and he told me through general chat today that he had stayed top dog and is determined to stay that way .
i asked him how . he then told me that if he has to keep others down to stay top dog he will which is why he is still there .

i was shocked at this because he was never like that .

my point is this .

it is a known fact that good business men and bankers are actually phsycopathic , otherwise their ability to make money wouldnt be as good . yes youve heard it , they are phsycopaths . these people dont know empathy or sympathy hence their ability to make large amounts of money and run massive sorperations etc .

the overall endstop fact is this .
our planet is run by phsycopaths , and if they have to keep you down , even jail some of us , put others in mad houses or get some one like your self unjustly sacked from a good job so that they can keep their powerfull position , they will , and they wont feel one bit sorry for it either .

we really are all in deep fkn shit ! this planet is sick !
it is run by the sick !
and there is no cure for those types either .
it is a growing INFECTION !

sorry to hear you were unjustly sacked .

im going to read it all again because when i read it last night i was dead tired and went to bed , shall get back to you soon . thankyou for all that input .:cool:

[tracker]

have any of you heard of the "Teleguard" system that came out in '76 :confused:
I read it first at AboveTopSecret (about a year ago), then i read it again in Tsarions book about Atlantis....:
(Michael Tsarion-Atlantis-Alien-Visitation And Genetic Manipulation)



Oh my :eek:

Apparently the info comes from this site :

http://www.trufax.org/

Does anyone even know of this ???`

I find it very hard to believe, since there is absolutely NO info on this anywhere :mad:

...AND I DONT WANT IT TO BE TRUE....


some of us thought it was the early 90s .

but the 70s ????????????????????????????????:eek:


hhmmm , would any of us really be serprised though ?

mees thinks not .:cool:

[shenoma]

So what if they are watching?

[tracker]

So what if they are watching?

it is my understanding that zena phobia has been a natural part of instinct .
we have to understand as to why ?
more than likely its to reppell those who act unlike humans but look human .

but why ?

why dislike others who might appear different or act different ?

its all fine by me as i am not rasist and never will be , but the seeds of rasism and zena phobia were planted there for a reason .

maybe the long story about my point is this .


there are animals on this planet .
they look humans .
talk like humans .

BUT they aint human because you can tell by the way they act !

constantly watching our own kind with the obsession big brother has , can only mean they are not human .
we do the same to lab rats .

[shenoma]

You know what is really scary? Having some little kid stand behind you wearing the Scream mask and entire outfit growling at you. What a freak world we live in.

it is my understanding that zena phobia has been a natural part of instinct .
we have to understand as to why ?
more than likely its to reppell those who act unlike humans but look human .

but why ?

why dislike others who might appear different or act different ?

its all fine by me as i am not rasist and never will be , but the seeds of rasism and zena phobia were planted there for a reason .

maybe the long story about my point is this .


there are animals on this planet .
they look humans .
talk like humans .

BUT they aint human because you can tell by the way they act !

constantly watching our own kind with the obsession big brother has , can only mean they are not human .
we do the same to lab rats .

[tracker]

You know what is really scary? Having some little kid stand behind you wearing the Scream mask and entire outfit growling at you. What a freak world we live in.


yes it is a strange world we live in . I prefure to call it a mentaly sick planet my self .
most childrens entertainment is all about action , people killing and fighting each other , same goes for adult entertainment .
how on earth entertainment can be put out as an idea of people killing each other needs to be explained really .

its a sick sick world full of sick ideas by sick people .
reality tv for instance .
the show big brother ?
its about people who have to form a group to get on but then stab each other in the back in the quiet room to vote them off .
the weekest link ?
now there is a cronic sick game .
contenders made to create a group to make money and vote off the weekest link . unfortunatly most dont vote off the weekest link but more over take a vow of a popularity contest of bla bla bla .
it shows just how sick society really is .

:cool:

then there are the other reality shows .
east-benders
coronation street.
neighbours
etc etc etc
all shows about people living an apparent normal life .

so what we end up with , is people sitting down on a sofa watching other people live a normal life .
how fkin saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad is that ?


this whole place is run by maniacs .
sick , twisted insane maniacs !

:cool:

[bahnhof]

i agree . do you know what gets my back up ?

ive never heard of gangstalking untilthis year , but i use it so that others can relate to the situation through the name . basicly its not really gangstalking , its authority harrassment endstop !
like i said , before this year i had never heard of gangstalking , ive always called it harrassment !

i use the word cang stalking so that others can relate to the situation at hand but my issue is this .

all my threads opening page has been written from 1st hand experiences , and not the nets idea of what it is .
this year when i heard of gang stalking i looked on in serprise . i was serprised to see so many others who went through similar problems to my self but guess what ?
MK ultra / cathy obrian etc , is double talk ! she is a plant so that people stay confused meees thinks . would you like to know why ?

because it all points you away from the true fact that humanity is not in control over their own mind . basicly putting it , planet earth is sick ! easily lead , mind controlled etc , however if you can convince poeple that others are being tricked into a good course and there fore become part of the gang stalking with out them knowing it , it takes you away from the truth .
we are being programmed from birth , defo schools , to grow up in such a manner that we actually go out of our way to fk each others life up !
im saying that people even get kicks out of it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but if we can attempt to make others think its and "ILLUSIVE" MI5 trick or MK ULTRA watch and monitor us plan , it takes away the focus away from the true source ! our education . not forgetting that education also comes from TV ? adults / past / present and belief structures etc etc etc .

the fraud on gangstalking also never tell people that if it is happening to them that also "NATURAL RUMOR" mongering also happens and this can be confused with gang stalking , and if they both happen at the same time , some of the indicators of being gang staled can be confused with gang stalking .

but do any of the sights mention this ?

NO THEY DONT !

why ?

because i agree with you , many sights on gang stalking are frauds ! copies of other peoples true life situations .

frauds ! basicly !


i noticed it too , and none of them also talk about how people can be naturally predudice . mix that with rumor mongerers , cruel and rasist groups etc , and you could find that gang stalking can be confused with this situation .

gang stalking sites are crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the truth is this , it happens only fro m authorative figures endstop !
our councils / banks / large businesses etc etc etc .

bloody street gangs etc ?????????????

yes rumors dont help but believe it , a lot of sites are so up their back sides , i agree they probably are disinfo sites !

That probably sums it all up.
You can also put it in a more accepted way
These gangstalkers all have a low IQ
none of them are questioning any NWO stuff
Basicly all of them trust in politics
Anywho they are total lemmings, all this stuff is total bullcrap to them
I am also convinced the people who stalk you 24/7 are getting paid, cause its just too much trouble and it costs way too much dough.
Also this group theory is somewhat true, somewhat false. People wont friggin stalk you, there basicly wont be reason enough: look at joran van der sloot, he doesnt get stalked 24/7. It has too be goverment controlledld cause I swear to you it is happening too me since I was friggin 5 years old.
My two cents is that these stalkers dont know shit about you being stalked 24/7 both during vacations as doing your job, or going to a friggin mall, if they do yea theyll be pretty evil. Also to them it is as much bullcrap as it is to my family who also dont believe shit. Anyway the current state these assholes are in theyll decapitate me if they have too and I know for one I am in very very big trouble.

[lizzy]

hi Tracker,
Have just read the whole thread. Some good pointers of the first page on how to diguise oursleves and deal with authority.
The s.wales chemical co. paying off the Health authority is a sad reflection of how little public health safety can be bought for.....(I know, even bought at all)
On the royalty post, yup, we got shafted in1701. .the foreign Norman ruling class brought in their foreign 'loyality'...expand control....
and well the scientific totalitarian agenda is complete...and will the borgs' (us) ever break that programming. Let's hope so..if humanity is to continue , the elite must die....a borg rebellion , but they won't be human then either..:confused:

[tracker]

hi Tracker,
Have just read the whole thread. Some good pointers of the first page on how to diguise oursleves and deal with authority.
The s.wales chemical co. paying off the Health authority is a sad reflection of how little public health safety can be bought for.....(I know, even bought at all)
On the royalty post, yup, we got shafted in1701. .the foreign Norman ruling class brought in their foreign 'loyality'...expand control....
and well the scientific totalitarian agenda is complete...and will the borgs' (us) ever break that programming. Let's hope so..if humanity is to continue , the elite must die....a borg rebellion , but they won't be human then either..:confused:

yeah thanks for that lizzy ;
like i said though , im not entirely the know all on everything that big brother does to many individuals , its mostly personal experiences .
i think many of us go through this accept half of them can't see the patterns .

im not sure if individuals are stalked 24/7 because it would just cost too much . you only need a small 1 or 2 person active program and the rest spirals out of control from there and takes care of its self .

but authorities ? yes ! they do monitor your activities and income , its all to do with the rogue traders and cowboys law thing . as we know , rogues are not cowboys . cowboys are bad guys as where rogues are just companies that operate and offer a service outside the norm .

its mostly those at the bottom of the social structure that go through this so that big bro can create laws around them thus holding the masses . this idea is so stupendously easy to reason with its almost unreal in its sad truth .:D

[tracker]

Swat Team conducts food raid


in rural Ohio . It might not be long before it starts taking place here so remember to read the thread "surviving catastrophe and martial law".






December 4, 2008

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"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." --Barack Obama, "Obama's Civilian National Security Force"

"At the World Food Programme we have recognized what a valuable tool food aid can be in changing behaviour. In so many poorer countries food is money, food is power....." --Catherine Bertini, Executive Director of the World Food Program, "The UN Plan for Food and Land"


On Monday, December 1, a SWAT team with semi-automatic rifles entered the private home of the Stowers family in LaGrange, Ohio, herded the family onto the couches in the living room, and kept guns trained on parents, children, infants and toddlers, from approximately 11 AM to 8 PM. The team was aggressive and belligerent. The children were quite traumatized. At some point, the “bad cop” SWAT team was relieved by another team, a “good cop” team that tried to befriend the family. The Stowers family has run a very large, well-known food cooperative called Manna Storehouse on the western side of the greater Cleveland area for many years.
There were agents from the Department of Agriculture present, one of them identified as Bill Lesho. The search warrant is reportedly suspicious-looking. Agents began rifling through all of the family’s possessions, a task that lasted hours and resulted in a complete upheaval of every private area in the home. Many items were taken that were not listed on the search warrant. The family was not permitted a phone call, and they were not told what crime they were being charged with. They were not read their rights. Over ten thousand dollars worth of food was taken, including the family’s personal stock of food for the coming year. All of their computers, and all of their cell phones were taken, as well as phone and contact records. The food cooperative was virtually shut down. There was no rational explanation, nor justification, for this extreme violation of Constitutional rights.

Presumably Manna Storehouse might eventually be charged with running a retail establishment without a license. Why then the Gestapo-type interrogation for a 3rd degree misdemeanor charge? This incident has raised the ominous specter of a restrictive new era in State regulation and enforcement over the nation’s private food supply.

This same type of abusive search and seizure was reported by those innocents who fell victim to oppressive federal drug laws passed in the 1990s. The present circumstance raises the obvious question: is there some rabid new interpretation of an existing drug law that considers food a controlled substance worthy of a nasty SWAT operation? Or worse, is there a previously unrecognized provision(s) pertaining to food in the Homeland Security measures? Some have suggested that it was merely an out-of-control, hot-to-trot ODA agent, and, if so, this would be a best-case scenario. Anything else might spell the beginning of the end for the freedom to eat unregulated and unmonitored food.

One blogger familiar with the Ohio situation has reported that:

“Interestingly, I believe they [Manna Storehouse] said a month or so ago, an undercover ODA official came to their little store and claimed to have a sick father wanting to join the co-op. Both the owner and her daughter-in-law had a horrible feeling about the man, and decided not to allow him into the co-op and notified him by certified mail. He came back to the co-op demanding to be part of it. They refused and gave him names of other businesses and health food stores closer to his home. Not coincidentally, this man was there yesterday as part of the raid.”

The same blog also noted that the Ohio Department of Agriculture has been chastised by the courts in several previous instances for its aggression, including trying to entrap an Amish man in a raw milk “sale,” which backfired when it became known that the Amish believe in a literal interpretation of “give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away” (Matthew 5:42)

The issue appears to be the discovery of a bit of non-institutional beef in an Oberlin College food service freezer a year ago that was tracked down by a county sanitation official to Manna Storehouse. Oberlin College’s student food coop is widely known for its strident ideological stance about eating organic foods. It seems that the Oberlin student food cooperative had joined the Manna Storehouse food cooperative in order to buy organic foods in bulk from the national organic food distributor United, which services buying clubs across the nation. The sanitation official, James Boddy, evidently contacted the Ohio Department of Agriculture. After the first contact by state ODA officials, Manna Storehouse reportedly wrote them a letter requesting assistance and guidelines for complying with the law. This letter was never answered. Rather, the ODA agent tried several times to infiltrate the coop, as described above. When his attempts failed, the SWAT team showed up!

Food cooperatives and buying clubs have been an active part of the American landscape for over a generation. In the 1970s, with the rise of the organic food industry (a direct outgrowth of the hippie back-to-nature movement) food coops started up all over the country. These were groups of people who freely associated for the purpose of combining their buying power so that they could order organic food items in bulk and case lots. Anyone who was part of these coops in the early era will remember the messy breakdown of 35 pounds of peanut butter and 5 gallon drums of honey!

These buying clubs have persisted and flourished over the years due to their ability to purchase high quality organic foods at reduced prices in bulk quantities. Most cooperatives have participated greatly in the local agrarian economies, supporting neighborhood organic farmers with purchases of produce, eggs, chickens, etc. The groups also purchase food from a number of different local, regional and national distributors, many of them family-based businesses who truck the food themselves. Some of these food cooperatives have become large enough to set up mini-storefront operations where members can drop in and purchase items leftover from case lot sales. Manna Storehouse had established itself in such a manner, using a small enclosed breezeway attached to their home. It was a folksy place with old wooden floors where coop members stopped by to chat and snack on bags of organic corn chips.

The state of Ohio boasts the second largest Amish population in the country. Many of the Amish live on acreages where they raise their own food, not unlike Manna Storehouse, and sell off the extras to neighbors and church members. There is a sense of foreboding that this state crackdown on a longstanding, reputable food cooperative operation could adversely impact the peaceful agrarian way of life not only for the Amish, but homeschoolers and those families living off the land on rural acreages. It raises the disturbing possibility that it could become a crime to raise your own food, buy eggs from the farmer down the road, or butcher your own chickens for family and friends – bustling activities that routinely take place in backwater America.

The freedom to purchase food directly form the source is increasingly under attack. For those who have food allergies and chemical intolerances, or who are on special medical diets, this is becoming a serious health issue. Will Americans retain the right to purchase food that is uncontaminated by pesticides, herbicides, allergens, additives, dyes, preservatives, MSG, GMOs, radiation, etc.? The melamine scare from China underscores the increasingly inferior and suspect quality of modern processed institutional foods. One blog, commenting on the bizarre and troubling Manna Storehouse situation, observed that:

“No one is saying exactly why. At the same time the FDA says it is safe to eat the 40% of tainted beef found in Costco's and Sam's all over the nation. These farm raids are very common now. Every farmer needs to fully equipped [sic] for the possibility of it happening to them. The Farmer To Consumer Legal Defense Fund was created just for this purpose. The USDA just released their plans to put a law into action that will put all small farmers out of business. Animals for the sale of meat or milk will only be allowed in commercial farms, even the organic ones.” December 3, 2008 7:09 PM

Note: "The police paramilitary units also conduct training exercises with active duty Army Rangers and Navy SEALs. State and local police departments are increasingly accepting the military as a model for their behavior and outlook.... The problem is that the mindset of the soldier is simply not appropriate for the civilian police officer. Police officers confront not an 'enemy' but individuals who are protected by the Bill of Rights. Confusing the police function with the military function can lead to dangerous and unintended consequences...." (Diane Cecilia Weber, Cato Institute, "Warrior Cops: The Ominous Growth of Paramilitarism in Police Departments")

[lizzy]

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
~SPECIAL ALERT TO EVERYONE THAT EATS ~
Swat Team Conducts "Food Raid" in Rural Ohio

Subject: VDW: Swat Team Conducts Food Raid in Rural Ohio

Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:14:10 -0800

http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/4287/Brannon-Howse/

By-John-Loeffler

SWAT TEAM CONDUCTS FOOD RAID IN RURAL OHIO

Posted: 12/04/2008

SWAT TEAM CONDUCTS FOOD RAID IN RURAL OHIO

On Monday, December 1, a SWAT team with semi-automatic rifles entered the private home of the Stowers family in LaGrange, Ohio, herded the family onto the couches in the living room, and kept guns trained on parents, children, infants and toddlers, from approximately 11 AM to 8 PM. The team was aggressive and belligerent. The children were quite traumatized. At some point, the “bad cop” SWAT team was relieved by another team, a “good cop” team that tried to befriend the family. The Stowers family has run a very large, well-known food cooperative called Manna Storehouse

http://www.mannastorehouse.com

on the western side of the greater Cleveland area for many years.

There were agents from the Department of Agriculture present, one of them identified as Bill Lesho. The search warrant is reportedly supicious-looking <http://steveandpaul arunyan.blogspot .com/>.

Agents began rifling through all of the family’s possessions, a task that lasted hours and resulted in a complete upheaval of every private area in the home. Many items were taken that were not listed on the search warrant. The family was not permitted a phone call, and they were not told what crime they were being charged with. They were not read their rights. Over ten thousand dollars worth of food was taken, including the family’s personal stock of food for the coming year. All of their computers, and all of their cell phones were taken, as well as phone and contact records. The food cooperative was virtually shut down. There was no rational explanation, nor justification, for this extreme violation of Constitutional rights.

Presumably Manna Storehouse might eventually be charged with running a retail establishment without a license. Why then the Gestapo-type interrogation for a 3^rd degree misdemeanor charge? This incident has raised the ominous specter of a restrictive new era in State regulation and enforcement over the nation’s private food supply.

This same type of abusive search and seizure was reported by those innocents who fell victim to oppressive federal drug laws passed in the 1990s. The present circumstance raises the obvious question: is there some rabid new interpretation of an existing drug law that considers food a controlled substance worthy of a nasty SWAT operation? Or worse, is there a previously unrecognized provision(s) pertaining to food in the Homeland Security measures? Some have suggested that it was merely an out-of-control, hot-to-trot ODA agent, and, if so, this would be a best-case scenario. Anything else might spell the beginning of the end for the freedom to eat unregulated and unmonitored food http://www.westonap rice.org/.

One blogger

http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/oda-swats-manna-storehouse-co-op/

familiar with the Ohio situation has reported that:

“Interestingly, I believe they [Manna Storehouse] said a month or so ago, an undercover ODA official came to their little store and claimed to have a sick father wanting to join the co-op. Both the owner and her daughter-in- law had a horrible feeling about the man, and decided not to allow him into the co-op and notified him by certified mail. He came back to the co-op demanding to be part of it. They refused and gave him names of other businesses and health food stores closer to his home. Not coincidentally, this man was there yesterday as part of the raid.”

The same blog

http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/oda-swats-manna-storehouse-co-op/

also noted that the Ohio Department of Agriculture has been chastised by the courts in several previous instances for its aggression, including trying to entrap an Amish man in a raw milk “sale,”

http://familycow.proboards32.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=12013

which backfired when it became known that the Amish believe in a literal interpretation of “give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away” (Matthew 5:42)

The issue appears to be the discovery of a bit of non-institutional beef in an Oberlin College food service freezer a year ago that was tracked down by a county sanitation official to Manna Storehouse. Oberlin College’s student food coop is widely known for its strident ideological stance about eating organic foods. It seems that the Oberlin student food cooperative had joined the Manna Storehouse food cooperative in order to buy organic foods in bulk from the national organic food distributor United http://www.unitedbu yingclubs. com/

, which services buying clubs across the nation. The sanitation official, James Boddy, evidently contacted the Ohio Department of Agriculture. After the first contact by state ODA officials, Manna Storehouse reportedly wrote them a letter requesting assistance and guidelines for complying with the law. This letter was never answered. Rather, the ODA agent tried several times to infiltrate the coop, as described above. When his attempts failed, the SWAT team showed up!

Food cooperatives and buying clubs have been an active part of the American landscape for over a generation. In the 1970s, with the rise of the organic food industry (a direct outgrowth of the hippie back-to-nature movement) food coops started up all over the country. These were groups of people who freely associated for the purpose of combining their buying power so that they could order organic food items in bulk and case lots. Anyone who was part of these coops in the early era will remember the messy breakdown of 35 pounds of peanut butter and 5 gallon drums of honey!

These buying clubs have persisted and flourished over the years due to their ability to purchase high quality organic foods at reduced prices in bulk quantities. Most cooperatives have participated greatly in the local agrarian economies, supporting neighborhood organic farmers with purchases of produce, eggs, chickens, etc. The groups also purchase food from a number of different local, regional and national distributors, many of them family-based businesses who truck the food themselves. Some of these food cooperatives have become large enough to set up mini-storefront operations where members can drop in and purchase items leftover from case lot sales. Manna Storehouse had established itself in such a manner, using a small enclosed breezeway attached to their home. It was a folksy place with old wooden floors where coop members stopped by to chat and snack on bags of organic corn chips.

The state of Ohio boasts the second largest Amish population in the country. Many of the Amish live on acreages where they raise their own food, not unlike Manna Storehouse, and sell off the extras to neighbors and church members. There is a sense of foreboding that this state crackdown on a longstanding, reputable food cooperative operation could adversely impact the peaceful agrarian way of life not only for the Amish, but homeschoolers and those families living off the land on rural acreages. It raises the disturbing possibility that it could become a crime to raise your own food, buy eggs from the farmer down the road, or butcher your own chickens for family and friends – bustling activities that routinely take place in backwater America.

The freedom to purchase food directly form the source is increasingly under attack. For those who have food allergies and chemical intolerances, or who are on special medical diets, this is becoming a serious health issue. Will Americans retain the right to purchase food that is uncontaminated by pesticides, herbicides, allergens, additives, dyes, preservatives, MSG, GMOs, radiation, etc.? The melamine scare from China underscores the increasingly inferior and suspect quality of modern processed institutional foods. One blog, commenting on the bizarre and troubling Manna Storehouse situation, observed that:


“No one is saying exactly why. At the same time the FDA says it it safe to eat the 40% of tainted beef found in Costco's and Sam's all over the nation. These farm raids are very common now. Every farmer needs to fully eqiped [sic] for the possibility of it happening to them. The Farmer To Consumer Legal Defense Fund

http://www.ftcldf. org/

was created just for this purpose. The USDA just released their plans to put a law into action that will put all small farmers out of business. Animals for the sale of meat or milk will only be allowed in commercial farms, even the organic ones.” December 3, 2008 7:09 PM file://localhost/ comment.g

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Hi tracker....

I read the same article...........they will force us to eat their GM poisons at gun point.

[tracker]

Hi tracker....

I read the same article...........they will force us to eat their GM poisons at gun point.

yeah well i had to copy it coz the ist time i posted the link it didnt work .

im just begining to get the hang of it .

and your right , i recon they will eventually make a situation to be like that .
martial law is one situation where they can give us that poison as a means to make us think they are helping us .

it is inevitable .:cool:

[lizzy]

Hi tracker...:)
I am hopeless at links..I just copied from an email I get from an ex-poster here.. I didn't expect the links to work at all......

this is what that person said.....some might even recognize him,;)

THIS IS OUT-FUCKING-RAGEOUS!!!! Thank God we live in a FREE country,eh?!? FREE TO CHOOSE THE DIFFERENT "GOVT.-APPROVED" POISONS!!!!! It is time to get ARMED, and prepared!!! .

[tracker]

i am free to be arrested for saying something .
i am free to have my silenced used against me in a court of law .

however

i still have my freedom to be arrested if i descide to shoot them too .:D

[shenoma]

That state HAS a lot of problems, one being how rotten the people running it got in the past. It was so bad the bigger goverment had to step in, and they have so weird laws on the books has well.

[tracker]

One major problem with the way that the authorities manipulate peoples lives by using banks and businesses can be seen a few pages near the beginning and it gets confused with gang stalking .

also common gossip and the sick society we are in that doesnt want to let go of rumors coupled with authority targeting can be confused with gang stalking .
gang stalking is a miss interperetation of common gossip / ( small type gang stalking ) and government harrassment .

i do use the term gang stalking because in affect this is what it can be called but i use it in the broad sense so that those who have this manipulated life can understand what it is im talking about .

what ever you do , do not think it doesnt exist , always keep an open mind .

[tracker]

The strange thing is this .

the government go out of their way to insist that those who beleive they are being watched and harrassed by them are ill .
apparently parranoid people are ill because they think people watch them and are out to get them .
So if this is true , why do so many in high places have to have the massive servailance system in place ? IE
monitor all our emails
tap every phone inbritain ?
monitor our posts ?
our jobs ?
our way of life ?

and i do mean absolutly every single one of us , why ?

i will tell you why .

they are so parranoid , so ill and very thoughtless ( rather like those they try and assinate charactor ) that they build and fund with our money

computers ,
masses and masses of them
to constantly watch us because
it is they who are parranoid !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they are so delusionally parranoid that they try to bring in

ID cards
monitor our posts
our computers
our emails
our phone calls
our way of life

because apparently ,

every one is out to get them or each other .

so see the truth , if you think your being watched , ITS TRUE because you are being watched !

YET , you are not ill , they are , because they are the ones watching every one else just in case they kill some one etc etc , so make no mistake , the governments are ill , not you for thinking they watch and harrass you .

its just the facts .
they are ones putting this massive servailance system in place to watch every one just in case as where your not .

there is a difference !:cool:

[shaz mears]

my local paper - the Fife Free Press has reported that a shop is using fingerprint id in a local shop in Kirkcaldy, Fife (Gordon Brown town) to detect underage drinking and smoking by donating their fingerprints for future use so they dont have to show their id all the time!!!!!! why then can i not access it online. when i google it its not there.

[stamaheep]

Today I noticed a police helicopter over Kiersland street in Glasgow, I carried on about my business thinking it must have been a criminal pursuit perhaps. I then went into a cafe on Byers road for my breakfast and when I came out half an hour later the copter was still in the same position. I was intrigued so I walked towards the area the helicopter seemed to be observing and nothing untoward seemed to be going on, there were no police cars or police on the streets in the area. I stopped and looked up at the copter and at this point it veered south and disappeared. The streets were very busy with people but noone was even looking up. I then walked into town going through Kelvingrove park where I was confronted on a foot path by a huge police transit van with POLICE OBSERVATION UNIT emblazoned on the side and blacked out windows, it crawled around the park and made for a very strange sight. Still there were no police on foot or other police vehicles around.
Any theories?

[ms hope]

why am I not surprised that Ashford in Kent, controlled by Kent County Council is mentioned.

google Yolande Lindridge a Kent business woman, who they virtually destroyed.:(

They are very good at making out people are mad if they dare to stand up to them :mad:

[tracker]

why am I not surprised that Ashford in Kent, controlled by Kent County Council is mentioned.

google Yolande Lindridge a Kent business woman, who they virtually destroyed.:(

They are very good at making out people are mad if they dare to stand up to them :mad:


I shall do ---------right now .

:cool:

[tracker]

why am I not surprised that Ashford in Kent, controlled by Kent County Council is mentioned.

google Yolande Lindridge a Kent business woman, who they virtually destroyed.:(

They are very good at making out people are mad if they dare to stand up to them :mad:

I have googled this and read the whole case , here ;

http://myreader.co.uk/message/106169.aspx

and so if I told you that I am not surprised , would I need to ask if that surprises you ? :rolleyes:

In 2004 I descovered my home was monitored somehow through many strings of coincidences .

I watched my business idea turn up as someone elses idea and busniess .

So with suspision in mind I created a new engineeering company with unique ideas yet again accept this one was different .
It had ten inique points that no other engineering company has .

in a space of 12 months my business ideas were again stolen and sheared out between 10 large authority types .

Little known to me at the time I had proof of this.

within 2 months of dedscovering this truth I went to the DRs .

I nearly died because of ----------missdiagnosys after another .

When that failed I was ---------------hounded , followed , phone calls at 9pm from people who claimed they were phoning from the bank and more besides .
my van was sabotarged , my banks stopped , my working tax credits stopped , phones were tapped and my life played like a Piano .

After I had descided to give up this "limited" companies name ( because companies house is also patent house ) I then waited for whom would come up for the buying of that name .

if you wish to pattent a name , a way to do that is to make it a limited companies name thus it is copy wrighted , Im sure you understand that someone whos name is "Whane henry smith" cannot call his builders business WH smith builders ------------if you get my drift .

Well I still have all those records of when I designed the company , all the records of saved data etc , all I need to do now is link them with media / intell from variouse records that is available to public sourses etc and then I have the ultimate proof that councils DOOOOOOOOOOO monitor young and upper coming folks / steal their ideas and if they have too --enter their homes and or spy on them anyway they can just to make a buck or two .

[bluehorseman]

yeah hi tracker I've had all these things (in op) happen to me.

[tracker]

yeah hi tracker I've had all these things (in op) happen to me.

Well then -----maybe like me -------------you were one at an early age who battled against the odds .
this is why councils do this upon folks like you and me -------so that they can learn how to control the masses .

control is like a bottle .
the masses are like lots of little magnetic balls in that bottle .
but folk like me and you are not magnetic --- we may not feel attracted to the system of things ( if youget my drift )
now because the masses ---------stick together and do the same thing
it is inevitable that the masses will never get through the bottles neck to freedom .
yet you and I ------are not like the masses -------we move randomly ------we move ---------differently and do not hve the same properties as the masses .
this means -----------one day it is inevitable that folk like us will find a way to freedom .
thus
this is why only INDIVIDUALS are defo monitored and spied on -------because if ONE breaks to freedom -------------the rest might follow suit , thus it is imperative that most resorces are used upon those who do not comply to the masses mind set --------------- so that the PTB can create more laws / more boundries / more rules / more red tape -------so that the masses are unable to copy the individual .
now you know why it is a fact that authorities play certain peoples lives like a piano , this is so the individual cannot prove anything yet knows something is wrong .

its how the authorities work .

:cool:

[bluehorseman]

^^thanks for the reframe I didnt think of it like that. I thought I was just being paranoid or overly sensitive but you are right. The situation I'm in at the moment things growing (business, friends contacts increasing etc) also I don't dress the same, behave/conform the same, brown nose anyone is putting me at odds with a few because I am supporting the "other side". Also I had cia operative living next door for a while and rumbled him (only military types are given infared cam corders gen public can't get them) so he had to move back to US so I believe this hasn't helped my situation.

Its a difficult thing to combat.

[tracker]

^^thanks for the reframe I didnt think of it like that. I thought I was just being paranoid or overly sensitive but you are right. The situation I'm in at the moment things growing (business, friends contacts increasing etc) also I don't dress the same, behave/conform the same, brown nose anyone is putting me at odds with a few because I am supporting the "other side". Also I had cia operative living next door for a while and rumbled him (only military types are given infared cam corders gen public can't get them) so he had to move back to US so I believe this hasn't helped my situation.

Its a difficult thing to combat.

I can tell you right now the only way to beat them well and truly done .

DONT--------------------------- GIVE A FLYING F+CK !


the idea is to stress you out because as time goes bye stress mounts up to Illnesses and or even loosing ones mind tod something bad .

the only way to beat them is to --------not give a shit !

once they see that you will carry on doing what you plan to do --------you will then see things esculate ----------------keep at it -----dont give a fk --------even if you see some private conversation that you had in asome room -----epeated on TV --------------this is how they play things .

just think this ;

Wow ---i am surely powerful beyond my own recognition that this much attention energy and time is spent on me .AllI have to do now is find out what that is -----and it wont be long iether .


they hate this attitude and are unable to beat that in anyway .

the idea is to only make YOU know its going on , this is exactly how they play ------------ just make them know that you know ---and dont give a flying one .:D

just remember ----to do this upon us is extrememly sad , depraved and desperate because they fear you , otherwise lets face it -----------who do this ?

just some good night thoughts there for ya dude/dudette .

:cool:

[Ian2day]

why am I not surprised that Ashford in Kent, controlled by Kent County Council is mentioned.

google Yolande Lindridge a Kent business woman, who they virtually destroyed.:(

They are very good at making out people are mad if they dare to stand up to them :mad:

They have done this to me.

[tracker]

They have done this to me.

hhhm , sounds as though --------------- we know who to look out for when TSHTF .

"THEY" do this to every one !

its just that some folks dont recognise the symptoms .

:cool:

[shodan]

Today I noticed a police helicopter over Kiersland street in Glasgow, I carried on about my business thinking it must have been a criminal pursuit perhaps. I then went into a cafe on Byers road for my breakfast and when I came out half an hour later the copter was still in the same position. I was intrigued so I walked towards the area the helicopter seemed to be observing and nothing untoward seemed to be going on, there were no police cars or police on the streets in the area. I stopped and looked up at the copter and at this point it veered south and disappeared. The streets were very busy with people but noone was even looking up. I then walked into town going through Kelvingrove park where I was confronted on a foot path by a huge police transit van with POLICE OBSERVATION UNIT emblazoned on the side and blacked out windows, it crawled around the park and made for a very strange sight. Still there were no police on foot or other police vehicles around.
Any theories?

some recent experiences from the north east uk. today I saw 4 policemen on horses and a riot van. just cruising around in the non descript streets around here, absolutely preposterous.
a few days ago a mate was at the Newcastle match and he texted saying there are policemen filming the crowd. that right now there are two huge handheld camera's pointing at him and his mate. no trouble around whatsoever. I've seen the photo's he took and will post them when I get them.
I met a couple a few weeks ago that had been to a match and they said that the police horses outside the grounds seemed to have bolted for some reason and were trampling on cars, smashing windscreens.
going back a few months, there was another match where the police had been criticised for virtually starting a fight with the crowd, this made the evening news, except of course it was the fans fault in their eyes. I caught a bit of the report and it was sinister, cops in formation, advancing on ordinary people, one cop had this insane long metal 'pole' which was angled with a video camera on top, very sinister.
I had a fare to pick up in newcastle, parked my cab where I'd been parking for 2 years, a brand spanking new police range rover pulled up beside me and the gentleman in the front of the policecar gave me a nasty verbal telling off.
I have seen one, and been told of 3 other instances of policemen being incredibly brutal with young people, who are in the drinking areas, being very heavily handled by gangs of policemen. I have seen totally unnecessary headlocks etc. I imagine its all on the many cctv camera's in the city centre, but fear that they may malfunction and not be able to take footage during these times.

[tracker]

some recent experiences from the north east uk. today I saw 4 policemen on horses and a riot van. just cruising around in the non descript streets around here, absolutely preposterous.
a few days ago a mate was at the Newcastle match and he texted saying there are policemen filming the crowd. that right now there are two huge handheld camera's pointing at him and his mate. no trouble around whatsoever. I've seen the photo's he took and will post them when I get them.
I met a couple a few weeks ago that had been to a match and they said that the police horses outside the grounds seemed to have bolted for some reason and were trampling on cars, smashing windscreens.
going back a few months, there was another match where the police had been criticised for virtually starting a fight with the crowd, this made the evening news, except of course it was the fans fault in their eyes. I caught a bit of the report and it was sinister, cops in formation, advancing on ordinary people, one cop had this insane long metal 'pole' which was angled with a video camera on top, very sinister.
I had a fare to pick up in newcastle, parked my cab where I'd been parking for 2 years, a brand spanking new police range rover pulled up beside me and the gentleman in the front of the policecar gave me a nasty verbal telling off.
I have seen one, and been told of 3 other instances of policemen being incredibly brutal with young people, who are in the drinking areas, being very heavily handled by gangs of policemen. I have seen totally unnecessary headlocks etc. I imagine its all on the many cctv camera's in the city centre, but fear that they may malfunction and not be able to take footage during these times.

this has been in the making since the strikes years back when police horses steamed through a peacefull croud .

it is a slowy- but-slowly ------------EBB -----towards totalterian state of affiars .

It is already a crime to protest with out permition .
strike with out permition .

we are indeed heading for bad times , and we havent got there yet .

its situations like those described Shodan that makes people hate those ---coorperate loving hard lined punish masters we once called the police ----who were there in the begining to serve and protect .

its just sooooooooooooooo Illminded . its ---crazy ---clinicly insane !:cool:

[ufochick]

I know damn well I am monitored. I receive calls on my cell that are people speaking quickly in foreign languages for about 10 seconds, I assume that is to find out where I ma since I have the oldest cell phone known to man.
. I once received a recording on my voice mail of my family talking while sitting outside on our deck at our lake cottage. How they did that is beyond me.
My computer constantly sends me the message from sites that they are receiveing auto queries from my computer and I must confirm I am a person. I assume this is because my computer is sending stuff OUT to those monitoring me. I have had it to the repair shop and they say nothing is wrong with it..
I have been followed and harrassed on the highway by unmarked white semi trucks while on trips.
It goes on and on.... life as an abductee sucks.

By the way I am new here, from the States.. Hello :)

Dana

[tracker]

I know damn well I am monitored. I receive calls on my cell that are people speaking quickly in foreign languages for about 10 seconds, I assume that is to find out where I ma since I have the oldest cell phone known to man.
. I once received a recording on my voice mail of my family talking while sitting outside on our deck at our lake cottage. How they did that is beyond me.
My computer constantly sends me the message from sites that they are receiveing auto queries from my computer and I must confirm I am a person. I assume this is because my computer is sending stuff OUT to those monitoring me. I have had it to the repair shop and they say nothing is wrong with it..
I have been followed and harrassed on the highway by unmarked white semi trucks while on trips.
It goes on and on.... life as an abductee sucks.

By the way I am new here, from the States.. Hello :)

Dana

sorry to hear your story dude/dudette .
that sounds astonishing but not surprising .

sometimes these agencies do muck up big time and yours seems like a classic case .
mine was with a bank years ago .

I forget now if i mentioned it but a lady I had never met before walked up to me and said
"MR ???? -- dont worry your not in trouble ---"

not in trouble meees thoughts ? and they sent a lady ? typical tactic , and she knew my name ?--------and im not in trouble ? I hadnt even made it to the counter and she was well on my case :cool:

played it cool did mees for a while , allowed them to talk and talk , its funny how people like to talk whilst they think they have you .

your best point of move is not to let this get at you , as hard as it may sound .

relax , relish in the fact that you pose such a risk

just find out what that is .

if you make a record of all things happening , record those calls etc , it might help you someday prove it , with profound conclusions for them .

anyway --------------welcome to the forum , I hope you have a good time here .
its never boaring .:)