How can this exist?

[whiteshadow]

After spending a lot of time in recent weeks on these threads viewing some brilliant and excellent posts (as well as a complete load of utter bollocks at times- sorry it has to be said), something is bugging me....

If the controlling forces of the elite were at all worried about the existence of forums such as this and others, including youtube vids and other internet sources exposing the illuminati agenda, would they not be shut down or heavily censored?
After all why risk people breaking out of the mould and achieving awareness unnecessarily when it just might bring about a revolution?? Why risk it?
The awakening of one person may be all takes to begin a butterfly effect that would potentially be world changing. The first sparks of that awakening could come from a site like this or any other.

So I am reaching the conclusion that because they are allowing it to happen, it is another control mechanism. Perhaps a looser form of control than the mainstream, but still quite within the boundaries of ‘Condition Green’ for the illuminated ones.
Perhaps the viewers of anti-agenda material are seen as an insignificant minority?
Do they actively use forums such as this to spread disinformation? I would guess that this is the case and that there is some serious manipulation going on. I have seen so many threads that start off and then disintegrate into personal slanging matches, and I cannot help but wonder if these are deliberate attempts to discredit and distract if someone gets too close to a subject that is 'off limits'.

Is the system of totalitarian control already so advanced and perfect that the critical mass needed to tip the balance in favour of an alternative will never ever be achieved??

[loki]

ill give you an answer ....

because they want you to think you are free



no man is more hoplessly enslaved then a man who believes he is free

they have to allow this so questions like yours will be asked ... where is if they shut down everything like this forums and david Icke and people like him we would know 100% that we were correct everytime

they are very very smart people, i dont think anyone on this forum would disagree with that

its easyer for them to mold society into thinking people who dont agree with the established society should be rediculed and out cast ... using this technique we basicly police ourselves, and we as a species are stopping ourselves being free with this attitude

ill have to cut your answer short there as i have to go to work in like 10 mins but i think you will understand what i mean


:) i hope this helps answer your question

[anonymousoneuk]

After spending a lot of time in recent weeks on these threads viewing some brilliant and excellent posts (as well as a complete load of utter bollocks at times- sorry it has to be said), something is bugging me....

If the controlling forces of the elite were at all worried about the existence of forums such as this and others, including youtube vids and other internet sources exposing the illuminati agenda, would they not be shut down or heavily censored?
After all why risk people breaking out of the mould and achieving awareness unnecessarily when it just might bring about a revolution?? Why risk it?
The awakening of one person may be all takes to begin a butterfly effect that would potentially be world changing. The first sparks of that awakening could come from a site like this or any other.

So I am reaching the conclusion that because they are allowing it to happen, it is another control mechanism. Perhaps a looser form of control than the mainstream, but still quite within the boundaries of ‘Condition Green’ for the illuminated ones.
Perhaps the viewers of anti-agenda material are seen as an insignificant minority?
Do they actively use forums such as this to spread disinformation? I would guess that this is the case and that there is some serious manipulation going on. I have seen so many threads that start off and then disintegrate into personal slanging matches, and I cannot help but wonder if these are deliberate attempts to discredit and distract if someone gets too close to a subject that is 'off limits'.

Is the system of totalitarian control already so advanced and perfect that the critical mass needed to tip the balance in favour of an alternative will never ever be achieved??

They will never be able to control the masses unless they keep them blissfully unaware.

If something is emotionally satisfying, then there is no need to question it.

If a perception of reality is satisfying then there is no need to question it.

The powers that be really don't want people to be emotionally dissatisfied if they can help it.

They want people to be addicted, to vritualised representations of reality, music, drugs, sex (all good things right? neither good or bad, addictive but something that's addictive can be perceived as good or bad, the point being nothing is good and bad, there are just many flavors to emotion, some like chocolate some like strawberry and the universe is unbiased, as it's only purpose is to provide options.

If the entire human race woke up tomorrow and said, i hate all this media, this ineffectual government, all this hate and war, all this identity politics, all greed, this separation amongst us.

The world would transform.

There is no us vs them, reality is not simple and linear, it take on the formula of infinitely complex conscious abstraction.

We are responsible, there is no conspiracy we are the conspiracy.

This is how the universe works, it doesn't give us perfect understanding of the consequences of our actions, but it gives us the ability to choose between positive emotions and addictive/powerful emotions.

All humans beings on earth are simultaneously complicit in generating their own frequency resonance, which over all determines how much we are aligned with the hyperdimensionals predators singularity hierarchy energy dynamic(they feed of our addictive/power emotions) or the spiritual self reinforcing wave propagation energy dynamic.

There is nothing good or bad about the situation, there are flavors and individual tastes of flavor.

The more you dis align with the hierarchy the more freedom you achieve, but to do so you must let go of both desire for power and fear of anything.

Like i said there is no us or them, there is only your mind and your frequency, but people obviously can choose any perspective and any flavor of the emotional spectrum they like,

Peace

:)

[lessgov2007]

After spending a lot of time in recent weeks on these threads viewing some brilliant and excellent posts (as well as a complete load of utter bollocks at times- sorry it has to be said), something is bugging me....

If the controlling forces of the elite were at all worried about the existence of forums such as this and others, including youtube vids and other internet sources exposing the illuminati agenda, would they not be shut down or heavily censored?
After all why risk people breaking out of the mould and achieving awareness unnecessarily when it just might bring about a revolution?? Why risk it?
The awakening of one person may be all takes to begin a butterfly effect that would potentially be world changing. The first sparks of that awakening could come from a site like this or any other.

So I am reaching the conclusion that because they are allowing it to happen, it is another control mechanism. Perhaps a looser form of control than the mainstream, but still quite within the boundaries of ‘Condition Green’ for the illuminated ones.
Perhaps the viewers of anti-agenda material are seen as an insignificant minority?
Do they actively use forums such as this to spread disinformation? I would guess that this is the case and that there is some serious manipulation going on. I have seen so many threads that start off and then disintegrate into personal slanging matches, and I cannot help but wonder if these are deliberate attempts to discredit and distract if someone gets too close to a subject that is 'off limits'.

Is the system of totalitarian control already so advanced and perfect that the critical mass needed to tip the balance in favour of an alternative will never ever be achieved??

In my opinion, the idea the elite control so much, is pure hype. They control very little, they rely on influence. So, as society becomes more distrustful of their intentions, the harder it becomes for the elite to influence others. The only realistic way for the elite to censor the web, or other outlets of information, would be to convince the populace that the information is war time propaganda. If any of that information can be verified, and a significant portion of people become aware of it, you can not easily censor that information without raising some eye brawls.

But, I'm sure you will get plenty of answers, which if looked at closely are just repeated lines from what other researchers have said. To many people seem to have a paranoid world view, and seem to think every single thing wrong in society is part of a conspiracy. Some give more credit to the powers that be, than they are due. Some researchers have an interest in getting folks as afraid as possible, so they will buy more DVD's!! :eek:

[anthony65]

After spending a lot of time in recent weeks on these threads viewing some brilliant and excellent posts (as well as a complete load of utter bollocks at times- sorry it has to be said), something is bugging me....

If the controlling forces of the elite were at all worried about the existence of forums such as this and others, including youtube vids and other internet sources exposing the illuminati agenda, would they not be shut down or heavily censored?
After all why risk people breaking out of the mould and achieving awareness unnecessarily when it just might bring about a revolution?? Why risk it?
The awakening of one person may be all takes to begin a butterfly effect that would potentially be world changing. The first sparks of that awakening could come from a site like this or any other.

So I am reaching the conclusion that because they are allowing it to happen, it is another control mechanism. Perhaps a looser form of control than the mainstream, but still quite within the boundaries of ‘Condition Green’ for the illuminated ones.
Perhaps the viewers of anti-agenda material are seen as an insignificant minority?
Do they actively use forums such as this to spread disinformation? I would guess that this is the case and that there is some serious manipulation going on. I have seen so many threads that start off and then disintegrate into personal slanging matches, and I cannot help but wonder if these are deliberate attempts to discredit and distract if someone gets too close to a subject that is 'off limits'.

Is the system of totalitarian control already so advanced and perfect that the critical mass needed to tip the balance in favour of an alternative will never ever be achieved??

Many of us have learned to distrust the mainstream media. At most, the mainstream can show us which lies and agenda are being pushed.

The alternative media can offer us lots of interesting information, but it is possible to get stuck in the masses of information that can actually slow down the process of freeing yourself.

Therefore I think that the alternative media, including forums such as this one, are allowed to continue, because without them, many of us would probably benefit from it.

Some of us (and I'm not excluding myself) are like kids who are learing to ride a bike with stabilizers, but we continue to use the stabilizers even when we no longer need them.

If the Internet disappeared tomorrow, then we would be freed from a lot of negative energy. We would have more time and opportunity to explore ourselves and the real world around us.

The Internet has brought us great opportunities, but I feel that the key to this whole thing is spiritual. For that we don't need the Internet.

** I've met some wonderful, amazing people who have never touched a computer in their life.

** Whichever way the elite move, I feel that they are losing their grip on us. They want to control us. They are desperate to control us.

But we don't need them! :)

[tattooverb]

After spending a lot of time in recent weeks on these threads viewing some brilliant and excellent posts (as well as a complete load of utter bollocks at times- sorry it has to be said), something is bugging me....

If the controlling forces of the elite were at all worried about the existence of forums such as this and others, including youtube vids and other internet sources exposing the illuminati agenda, would they not be shut down or heavily censored?
After all why risk people breaking out of the mould and achieving awareness unnecessarily when it just might bring about a revolution?? Why risk it?
The awakening of one person may be all takes to begin a butterfly effect that would potentially be world changing. The first sparks of that awakening could come from a site like this or any other.

So I am reaching the conclusion that because they are allowing it to happen, it is another control mechanism. Perhaps a looser form of control than the mainstream, but still quite within the boundaries of ‘Condition Green’ for the illuminated ones.
Perhaps the viewers of anti-agenda material are seen as an insignificant minority?
Do they actively use forums such as this to spread disinformation? I would guess that this is the case and that there is some serious manipulation going on. I have seen so many threads that start off and then disintegrate into personal slanging matches, and I cannot help but wonder if these are deliberate attempts to discredit and distract if someone gets too close to a subject that is 'off limits'.

Is the system of totalitarian control already so advanced and perfect that the critical mass needed to tip the balance in favour of an alternative will never ever be achieved??

because those of us that either look for or in my case stumble across the conspiracy are portrayed in the media as nutters

discrediting us is even better for them than stopping us which would be like waving a red flag at everyone

i can not tell you how many of my british friends laughed at me when i told them i was going to see david icke's lecture in santa clara
which was fantastic by the way

i have a feeling none of them will be laughing for long as the nwo is getting in high gear

[twistedconcept]

After spending a lot of time in recent weeks on these threads viewing some brilliant and excellent posts (as well as a complete load of utter bollocks at times- sorry it has to be said), something is bugging me....

If the controlling forces of the elite were at all worried about the existence of forums such as this and others, including youtube vids and other internet sources exposing the illuminati agenda, would they not be shut down or heavily censored?
After all why risk people breaking out of the mould and achieving awareness unnecessarily when it just might bring about a revolution?? Why risk it?
The awakening of one person may be all takes to begin a butterfly effect that would potentially be world changing. The first sparks of that awakening could come from a site like this or any other.

So I am reaching the conclusion that because they are allowing it to happen, it is another control mechanism. Perhaps a looser form of control than the mainstream, but still quite within the boundaries of ‘Condition Green’ for the illuminated ones.
Perhaps the viewers of anti-agenda material are seen as an insignificant minority?
Do they actively use forums such as this to spread disinformation? I would guess that this is the case and that there is some serious manipulation going on. I have seen so many threads that start off and then disintegrate into personal slanging matches, and I cannot help but wonder if these are deliberate attempts to discredit and distract if someone gets too close to a subject that is 'off limits'.

Is the system of totalitarian control already so advanced and perfect that the critical mass needed to tip the balance in favour of an alternative will never ever be achieved??

Don't you think that would be a little obvious? It'd make it appear like there is a conspiracy when you blatantly censor specific forms of speech. Websites such as davidicke.com and others are no major threat when the vast majority of people are still unaware of the conspiracy.

Also, censorship is slowly creeping in. Australia will soon have major censorship; much like China. Subjects deemed controversial will be filtered out. This will slowly occur into more drastic steps and the vast majority of people won't bat an eyelid.

[truthseeker1980]

After spending a lot of time in recent weeks on these threads viewing some brilliant and excellent posts (as well as a complete load of utter bollocks at times- sorry it has to be said), something is bugging me....

If the controlling forces of the elite were at all worried about the existence of forums such as this and others, including youtube vids and other internet sources exposing the illuminati agenda, would they not be shut down or heavily censored?
After all why risk people breaking out of the mould and achieving awareness unnecessarily when it just might bring about a revolution?? Why risk it?
The awakening of one person may be all takes to begin a butterfly effect that would potentially be world changing. The first sparks of that awakening could come from a site like this or any other.

So I am reaching the conclusion that because they are allowing it to happen, it is another control mechanism. Perhaps a looser form of control than the mainstream, but still quite within the boundaries of ‘Condition Green’ for the illuminated ones.
Perhaps the viewers of anti-agenda material are seen as an insignificant minority?
Do they actively use forums such as this to spread disinformation? I would guess that this is the case and that there is some serious manipulation going on. I have seen so many threads that start off and then disintegrate into personal slanging matches, and I cannot help but wonder if these are deliberate attempts to discredit and distract if someone gets too close to a subject that is 'off limits'.

Is the system of totalitarian control already so advanced and perfect that the critical mass needed to tip the balance in favour of an alternative will never ever be achieved??

If something or someone gets too close to exposing any agenda's, they have tried to take things off the internet, the BBC WTC7 video disappeared, loads of Youtube videos often disappear and then there is RIK CLAY, if you have not heard about this unfortunate happening then please read the sticky threads about Cosmic Mind and Rik Clay, he got too close for comfort for them IMO, and before anyone says it I aint jumping on the conspiracy band wagon, he answered some of my questions about his blog before they took it off the net and it doesn't add up at all.

But also as others have answered and David also says in his speeches, they hide nothing from us, unless we get too close to something, they operate like this so if you want to find the answers we can, it's to create the illusion we are free and then it's also easier for them to infiltrate with disinfo IMO.

[11indigo11]

Coz anything can:)

[friendsinthesky]

it's to create the illusion we are free and then it's also easier for them to infiltrate with disinfo IMO.

How so? I've never felt free, except "perhaps" camping in the desert, with no TV, newspaper or news broadcast.

[disorder2k8]

The amount of aware people who use sites like this is marginal, the mainstream watch tv, and the mainstream who use PC's play pc games and worry about how many friends they have on facebook (so lame).
the other factor is, ALL WE DO IS TALK, we bicker and share our concern and nobody does anything about it, as I have mentioned in threads before. This is why I hardly have time to post massive length pieces here anymore.

They have left us alone because we pose no threat.

We're procrastinators most of the time, just like everyone else, we're just a little bit more aware than most.. whoopie friggin do, its not going to change a thing.

[truthseeker1980]

How so? I've never felt free, except "perhaps" camping in the desert, with no TV, newspaper or news broadcast.

I didn't mean for people like us as we are well aware we are not free which can be a contributing factor to discovering sites like these, I mean for the majority of the public or as some people call them the sheeple, if the unawake mind comes across sites like these, it then further cements their oppinion that it cant be true or it would be taken off the net, as they would think that if the elite did exist then they wouldn't allow sites like these. So it's a mind game the elite play with us.

[anthony65]

The amount of aware people who use sites like this is marginal, the mainstream watch tv, and the mainstream who use PC's play pc games and worry about how many friends they have on facebook (so lame).
the other factor is, ALL WE DO IS TALK, we bicker and share our concern and nobody does anything about it, as I have mentioned in threads before. This is why I hardly have time to post massive length pieces here anymore.

They have left us alone because we pose no threat.

We're procrastinators most of the time, just like everyone else, we're just a little bit more aware than most.. whoopie friggin do, its not going to change a thing.

How can you write "ALL WE DO IS TALK"? :confused:

Do you know anybody who posts on this forum?

I mean. Have you met them? Have you asked them what they've been doing all their life or what they're doing now?

And assuming that most people wouldn't want to write about everything they do to an anonymous stranger in the forum, then you have to assume that every one of the people here is doing something to change things.

Most of them have woken up! That's a major achievement in itself!

Then you write "just like everybody else"... Now you're qualified to judge the rest of the world's population (all non DI Forum members). :eek:

You don't know what countless people around the world are doing every day to make this world a better place.

The only thing you know is what you do.

Are you doing enough? :rolleyes:

[starscream]

ill give you an answer ....

because they want you to think you are free



no man is more hoplessly enslaved then a man who believes he is free

they have to allow this so questions like yours will be asked ... where is if they shut down everything like this forums and david Icke and people like him we would know 100% that we were correct everytime

they are very very smart people, i dont think anyone on this forum would disagree with that

its easyer for them to mold society into thinking people who dont agree with the established society should be rediculed and out cast ... using this technique we basicly police ourselves, and we as a species are stopping ourselves being free with this attitude

ill have to cut your answer short there as i have to go to work in like 10 mins but i think you will understand what i mean


:) i hope this helps answer your question

They shut JFK, Gandhi, Martin Luther King down, China is hanging Fa lun Gong practitioner. Any view on this?

[loki]

people are more aware now days, that wouldnt work .. simple as that they ahve to change with the tmes just like everyone else ...

[twistedconcept]

They shut JFK, Gandhi, Martin Luther King down, China is hanging Fa lun Gong practitioner. Any view on this?

Those people were much higher public figures than David Icke.

John Lennon, for example, had the ability to make hundreds of millions of people believe every word he said, purely for being the figure he was. He was a major threat to the ptb.

Although Icke's influence has grown, he's still not regarded as a serious threat. The few million (a very small number) people that do follow his work are deemed 'conspiracy theorists'.

[starscream]

Those people were much higher public figures than David Icke.

John Lennon, for example, had the ability to make hundreds of millions of people believe every word he said, purely for being the figure he was. He was a major threat to the ptb.

Although Icke's influence has grown, he's still not regarded as a serious threat. The few million (a very small number) people that do follow his work are deemed 'conspiracy theorists'.

But the amount of information icke supplied is so much more. pin pointing directly to them. Maybe this proves how hopeless humanity are.

[spiritist]

After spending a lot of time in recent weeks on these threads viewing some brilliant and excellent posts (as well as a complete load of utter bollocks at times- sorry it has to be said), something is bugging me....

If the controlling forces of the elite were at all worried about the existence of forums such as this and others, including youtube vids and other internet sources exposing the illuminati agenda, would they not be shut down or heavily censored?
After all why risk people breaking out of the mould and achieving awareness unnecessarily when it just might bring about a revolution?? Why risk it?
The awakening of one person may be all takes to begin a butterfly effect that would potentially be world changing. The first sparks of that awakening could come from a site like this or any other.

So I am reaching the conclusion that because they are allowing it to happen, it is another control mechanism. Perhaps a looser form of control than the mainstream, but still quite within the boundaries of ‘Condition Green’ for the illuminated ones.
Perhaps the viewers of anti-agenda material are seen as an insignificant minority?
Do they actively use forums such as this to spread disinformation? I would guess that this is the case and that there is some serious manipulation going on. I have seen so many threads that start off and then disintegrate into personal slanging matches, and I cannot help but wonder if these are deliberate attempts to discredit and distract if someone gets too close to a subject that is 'off limits'.

Is the system of totalitarian control already so advanced and perfect that the critical mass needed to tip the balance in favour of an alternative will never ever be achieved??

The reason this forum hasnt been pulled is because it is largely impotent. The truth is seeping out slowly, too slow and as for a collective drive towards change it is almost non-existant. The elite are tip-toeing slowly to a one world totalitarian state, but we are tip-toeing eben slower. Time to speed up everybody.