Holy Grail - not what you think it is or is it?

[eternal_spirit]

Good article and has many explanations/theories about the Grail


What the Hell is the Holy Grail?

By Tracy R. Twyman
It is the editorial position of Dagobert’s Revenge that the “Sangreal”, or “Holy Grail”, as described in the stories that emerged from the courts of Europe in the early part of this millennium, is actually a veiled reference to the bloodline of David, a play on the words “Sang real”, meaning “royal blood.” In the stories, the custodians of the Grail are the “Grail family”, headed by the Fisher King. They trace their lineage back to Joseph of Arimathea, who, along with Mary Magdalene, was supposed to have brought the Grail (often a cup filled with the “blood” of Jesus) from Jerusalem after the crucifixion. The Grail family is romanticized as being chosen directly by God, just as King David was chosen for Israel, and one of its members, Sir Galahad, is described as “a scion of the House of David.


http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=35

http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=192

[rich157]

This will lead you straight to it... :)

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s98/Mitchell_090/TheAceofDiamondsMoon-1.jpg?t=1225125292


The so called elite already know about the grail & where it is.
They wouldn't let anyone know the truth though because they fear losing their power & control. lol

[darketernal]

Good article and has many explanations/theories about the Grail


What the Hell is the Holy Grail?

By Tracy R. Twyman
It is the editorial position of Dagobert’s Revenge that the “Sangreal”, or “Holy Grail”, as described in the stories that emerged from the courts of Europe in the early part of this millennium, is actually a veiled reference to the bloodline of David, a play on the words “Sang real”, meaning “royal blood.” In the stories, the custodians of the Grail are the “Grail family”, headed by the Fisher King. They trace their lineage back to Joseph of Arimathea, who, along with Mary Magdalene, was supposed to have brought the Grail (often a cup filled with the “blood” of Jesus) from Jerusalem after the crucifixion. The Grail family is romanticized as being chosen directly by God, just as King David was chosen for Israel, and one of its members, Sir Galahad, is described as “a scion of the House of David.


http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=35

http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=192


This is not common knowledge ES? I'm asking because I have a different background. The members of my family, those who were feed a front story at least, believe that Jesus and Mary Magdalene, and from the line of David, however the truth of the matter is none of those people actually existed historically.

I've always assumed it was common knowledge that the nobility of Europe have ALWAYS claimed to be of the line of David, and thus had a divine right to rule. Is this not something the average person knows about? I'm not trying to be condisending... I'm asking becuase I really was unaware that most people were unfamiliar with this.

[rich157]

Here's a tip...

He / She / It, is in England...

Without a doubt. :cool:

[armoured_amazon]

Here's a tip...

He / She / It, is in England...

Without a doubt. :cool:

Okay, I admit it. It's me. :D

eta: What makes you say England?

[rich157]

Okay, I admit it. It's me. :D

eta: What makes you say England?

Because 400,000 years ago it was the centre of the Earth, but then soon enough some wise guys came along and started adjusting things on Earth to suit themselves.

Similar to the free energy that comes out of the pyramids that they don't tell you about.

Why ? because it suits them.
They can make you do work for them that way if you need their paper money.


Besides all of that... I made an equation & map & clock to work it all out.
Part of it is encoded in that picture I posted.

Being related to the ancient bloodline also helped. :D

http://image.maniadb.com/images/album/166/166733_1_f.jpg



The diagram shows what happens soon, when all the stars line up with the pyramids.
The stars line up & form a cross section, just like shown in the diagram. (Looks like a rainbow & black England flag) :D


The bright beams of energy shooting out of the ocean & Earth just like CERN warned could happen.

That diagram is part of what they're looking for. lol

[nimlyn]

Here's a tip...

He / She / It, is in England...

Without a doubt. :cool:

Nay! The Holy Grail is in Australia right now…:rolleyes:

[armoured_amazon]

Because 400,000 years ago it was the centre of the Earth, but then soon enough some wise guys came along and started adjusting things on Earth to suit themselves.

Similar to the free energy that comes out of the pyramids that they don't tell you about.

Why ? because it suits them.
They can make you do work for them that way if you need their paper money.


Besides all of that... I made an equation & map & clock to work it all out.
Part of it is encoded in that picture I posted.

Being related to the ancient bloodline also helped. :D

http://image.maniadb.com/images/album/166/166733_1_f.jpg



The diagram shows what happens soon, when all the stars line up with the pyramids.
The stars line up & form a cross section, just like shown in the diagram. (Looks like a rainbow & black England flag) :D


The bright beams of energy shooting out of the ocean & Earth just like CERN warned could happen.

That diagram is part of what they're looking for. lol

And you just posted it, doh! :D

Running to the studio but I'll have a proper look at it upon my return :)

[size_of_light]

Holy Grail = prop in third Indiana Jones flick.

[lakkimakki]

Good article and has many explanations/theories about the Grail


What the Hell is the Holy Grail?

By Tracy R. Twyman
It is the editorial position of Dagobert’s Revenge that the “Sangreal”, or “Holy Grail”, as described in the stories that emerged from the courts of Europe in the early part of this millennium, is actually a veiled reference to the bloodline of David, a play on the words “Sang real”, meaning “royal blood.” In the stories, the custodians of the Grail are the “Grail family”, headed by the Fisher King. They trace their lineage back to Joseph of Arimathea, who, along with Mary Magdalene, was supposed to have brought the Grail (often a cup filled with the “blood” of Jesus) from Jerusalem after the crucifixion. The Grail family is romanticized as being chosen directly by God, just as King David was chosen for Israel, and one of its members, Sir Galahad, is described as “a scion of the House of David.


http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=35

http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=192

here s your answer ;

Q: What do you seek?

A: The Grail.

Q: What is the Grail?

A: It has different forms.

Q: How do you seek the unknown?

A: By following the path.

Q: Where does the path begin?

A: At this gate.

Q: Where does it end?

A: At this gate.

Q: How do you know you are on the path?

A: The Grail guides me.

Q: Is the Quest easy?

A: The path is long and the task heavy.

Q: How shall you accomplish the task?

A: All who go forth on the Quest achieve their heart's desire.

Q: What do you take with you?

A: Courage, love and dedication.

Q: How will you bring back what you find?

A: In my heart.

Q: Where is the Grail hidden?

A: ln the maze in the heart of this castle.

Enter, with my blessing.

[nimlyn]

Where there's a will, there's a way...:)

[eternal_spirit]

This is not common knowledge ES? I'm asking because I have a different background. The members of my family, those who were feed a front story at least, believe that Jesus and Mary Magdalene, and from the line of David, however the truth of the matter is none of those people actually existed historically.

I've always assumed it was common knowledge that the nobility of Europe have ALWAYS claimed to be of the line of David, and thus had a divine right to rule. Is this not something the average person knows about? I'm not trying to be condisending... I'm asking becuase I really was unaware that most people were unfamiliar with this.

Same for most religions they have these mythical fictional characters. At the top, believing that the same souls will incarnate into the same family bloodlines. Prophets claim direct descendant from other previous Prophets who become leaders of Countries/Kings/Politicians heads of Churches.

I think the Queen of England is head of the C of E Church of England. Although if they are indeed blood relatives of the Rothschild then David and 12 tribes and Solomon's Temple and freemasonry are connected. There's other groups who claim the Grail and 12 tribes are part of their people's ancestory. And King Arthur - some say that's another allegory of the Jesus story.

[rhydra]

The grail consists ofthe secret doctrine. The hidden rules and answers of life which humans cannot be entrusted to look after responsibly.

[spiraltrance]

One interpretation of the Holy Grail is that it's a state of being that's achieved through transcendental states of consciousness. It could be possible that the portrayal of it being an external physical object is just a smokescreen to mislead the unintiated.

[rhydra]

As I wrote before, it is the doctrine. However, it lies on the astral plane, in the library. Almost no one gets to see it. I'm sure many will know about the library on the astral plane.

[agent99]

The grail consists ofthe secret doctrine. The hidden rules and answers of life which humans cannot be entrusted to look after responsibly.

If the Illuminati have posession of it, I'm not so sure they looked after it "responsibly" if you know what I mean. I feel that the illuminati have many things that they have kept hidden from the world so that there is no actual evidence of what really happened in the past as referred to in the bible.

[eternal_spirit]

One interpretation of the Holy Grail is that it's a state of being that's achieved through transcendental states of consciousness. It could be possible that the portrayal of it being an external physical object is just a smokescreen to mislead the unintiated.

Grail/Grael may mean soul? Maybe Illumination/enlightenment.

[spiraltrance]

Grail/Grael may mean soul? Maybe Illumination/enlightenment.

Yes :)

[eternal_spirit]

As I wrote before, it is the doctrine. However, it lies on the astral plane, in the library. Almost no one gets to see it. I'm sure many will know about the library on the astral plane.

Whose doctrine?
Turn left after the askashic records?

[lottie]

The members of my family, those who were feed a front story at least, believe that Jesus and Mary Magdalene, and from the line of David, however the truth of the matter is none of those people actually existed historically.

What makes you say this?:confused:

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rhydra http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=613439#post613439)
As I wrote before, it is the doctrine. However, it lies on the astral plane, in the library. Almost no one gets to see it. I'm sure many will know about the library on the astral plane.

Whose doctrine?
Turn left after the askashic records?

Is this related to ascended masters (discarnate entities who hang out in the astral) ?

[anahata]

http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:gxYRsnMIBELk7M:http://www.sacatomato.com/HolyGrail051.jpg

[quysant]

Good article and has many explanations/theories about the Grail


What the Hell is the Holy Grail?

By Tracy R. Twyman
It is the editorial position of Dagobert’s Revenge that the “Sangreal”, or “Holy Grail”, as described in the stories that emerged from the courts of Europe in the early part of this millennium, is actually a veiled reference to the bloodline of David, a play on the words “Sang real”, meaning “royal blood.” In the stories, the custodians of the Grail are the “Grail family”, headed by the Fisher King. They trace their lineage back to Joseph of Arimathea, who, along with Mary Magdalene, was supposed to have brought the Grail (often a cup filled with the “blood” of Jesus) from Jerusalem after the crucifixion. The Grail family is romanticized as being chosen directly by God, just as King David was chosen for Israel, and one of its members, Sir Galahad, is described as “a scion of the House of David.



The strong creature from before the flood

Without flesh, without bone,

Without vein, without blood,

Without head, without feet,

In fields, in forest....

Without hand, without foot'

It is also as wide

as the surface of the Earth,

and it was not born

Nor was it seen....

What is it?


The Grail is also a clever riddle, but unlike the above, the answer has never been given because if it were given it would not be understood.

Some things cannot be taught, the must be learnt.
(example: you cannot teach a boy of 10 the intricacies of love making.)

Yes it is "Sang real" but it is not red.
Yes it is the Cup of eternal life but it is also the Spear of Longinus.
...and it is found everywhere.

[ianw]

The strong creature from before the flood

Without flesh, without bone,

Without vein, without blood,

Without head, without feet,

In fields, in forest....

Without hand, without foot'

It is also as wide

as the surface of the Earth,

and it was not born

Nor was it seen....

What is it?


The Grail is also a clever riddle, but unlike the above, the answer has never been given because if it were given it would not be understood.

Some things cannot be taught, the must be learnt.
(example: you cannot teach a boy of 10 the intricacies of love making.)

Yes it is "Sang real" but it is not red.
Yes it is the Cup of eternal life but it is also the Spear of Longinus.
...and it is found everywhere.

The holy grail is the third eye the illuminati are trying to keep it quiet. look at there pyramid with the eye. We all posses this magic eye.science calls it the pineal gland. youtue -2012enigma by david wilcock -and also-Joe rogan DMT-

[rhydra]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rhydra http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=613439#post613439)
As I wrote before, it is the doctrine. However, it lies on the astral plane, in the library. Almost no one gets to see it. I'm sure many will know about the library on the astral plane.

Whose doctrine?
Turn left after the askashic records?

Is this related to ascended masters (discarnate entities who hang out in the astral) ?


Very much so. All those who seek it can't have it, once you reach a certain level of understanding you will not need to seek it. It isn't something which can be stolen from a bookshelf or memorised after sneaking a peek at it.

[quysant]

The holy grail is the third eye the illuminati are trying to keep it quiet. look at there pyramid with the eye. We all posses this magic eye.science calls it the pineal gland. youtue -2012enigma by david wilcock -and also-Joe rogan DMT-

Dear friend,
You are guessing. That will only lead you to further speculation.
The single eye is open, the third eye is covered. They have nothing in common.

Weishaupt's order was to be based entirely on human nature and observation and was to be regulated by reason.

By "Illumination" (enlightenment) men were to be liberated from their silly prejudices, to become "mature" and thus to outgrow the religious and political tutelage of Church and State.
Only "maturity" renders one conscious.

Believing is not the same as knowing.
Believing is second hand knowledge. Knowing is first hand experience. 

[synergy777]

the holy grail is not an object, goblet.

the holy grail is enlightenment.

[quysant]

the holy grail is not an object, goblet.

the holy grail is enlightenment.

You are also guessing.
It is "enlightenment" only when you know what it is.


Object: Something perceptible by one or more of the senses, especially by vision or touch; a material thing.

It is also an object. Not a goblet but it can contain liquids of different composition.

You have seen it many times in your life.

[rhydra]

It is indeed enlightenment, you will only see it when you no longer require it.

[phildee3]

The so called elite already know about the grail & where it is.



This is complete disinfo.
The exact opposite of the truth.

The Holy Grail is the ONE THING that the elite/illuminati cannot possess.
It is only available to the worthy - the meek and humble.
Parcifal is the only one in the legend to attain it.
If WE are to attain it, we must become like Parcifal.
Nobody can say what it is, even after attaining it (or else the unworthy would know).

Richard Whiting, the last abbot of Glastonbury, gave everything to Henry VIII,
and yet he was still punished by most cruel death imaginable.
Why?
Because he could not give Henry the Grail.

[scotia]

The "elite" do not have or own the "grail" :)

Quysant and Phildee your words are wise ;)

King Aurthur, Merlin and company were of the people that knew the truth, they have had many lies said/taught about them by the same people scared of them..

The grail was never in England,well not the England yous 'know' that false history and education teaches to this day to keep people from the truth... Same as the stone of destiny/jacobs pillow etc has never been in England, the elite thought they had it :D

Education/History and 'religion' are all tools to keep you all from the truth on who we realy are :(

[ianw]

Here's a tip...

He / She / It, is in England...

Without a doubt. :cool:

he she it is your pineal gland center of your brain youtube 2012enigma. the vids title is missleading as it concerns the pineal or holy grail

[phildee3]

You can only know what the Grail is by finding it.

3192

Parcifal finds it not by asking what it is but by asking who it serves.

[phildee3]

It exists as a real object in the aetheric.

It has manifested, briefly, in the physical plane.

If the entire human race were worthy, it would do so permanently.

[eternal_spirit]

bump

[tusme]

The "Holy Grail", in this Physical realm, is a "bogus attempt by mankind", to indicate it's connection/covenant to/with GOD (Truth)...!!

Whoever is in possession of the "Biblical, Ark of the Convenant - Holy Grail", is sitting with a piece of "scrap-metal"...!! :D

The "Holy Grail" is a physically & spiritually untouchable entity, it's the Truth Dimension existing within the realms of the (GOD) Spirit (Truth) realm...!!

[herushura]

http://www.usbible.com/images/holy_grail.gif

The Holy Grail is a Star Sign in the House of Virgo/Bread

The Blood of Christ repressents the bleeding of the sun, or the red sunset,

[eternal_spirit]

Thanks for the replys :)

The truth about what the grail is seems faith based, pick and choose which story you believe. I am still undecided about what the grail is.

[cinder_darkskys]

I have skimed over the posts. intressing reading.
I liked the Blood Royal idea with the blood of David house.
France is a more likely, place for any such idea of royal blood mixing.

How every unlikely, this idea is.
To think some rich guy holding just the cup Chirst that is funny.

The Phycial Holy Grail. The Real Cup
The Holy Grail, ( I believe > Holy men that bleed like Christ, are the most likely candate who held or hold it.
Big magic here. you may not wanta play with trinket, which realy part of a bobble. It wants to be where it at, who it's with. < note the sujustion of inteligents. Not in the way u see intelligents. It most likly can kills.)

What would the Cup of Christ looking like. I belive It looks very much like they say it looks. a Small Egg Holder. bottem up. 2 inch stand It's seems silver over lay to protect it. < Makes sence for the Marking as well )

Top 2 inchs maybe a bit bigger. over lay an a seal, which looks very much like a Skull an Crossed Bones

St patrick held the Cup of Christ. He used it chace the snakes away, or serpents, or Reptials.

Mar's or ET point of view; The Cup of Chist is a Small part of the Chalace of god. They know just what it is, an where it is.

INCOMPLEAT

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I dare say the Grail is actually Jesus himself.

[phildee3]

I dare say the Grail is actually Jesus himself.



It is the (etheric) vessel which contains the (etheric) "blood" of the (cosmic) Christ.

It can (and has) materialised briefly.

[zetetic0void]

"Holy Grail - not what you think it is or is it?"
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Sacred Mushroom??


I don't know if this has been said but I've heard some ideas that suggest perhaps the Holy Grail was actually a material composed of a species of 'sacred mushroom' (psilocybin or other mushroom) put in a container of honey to preserve it which was put inside the Ark of the Covenant. This was the saved source of this manna which they no longer found once they reached a settled land.

(I might not believe everything posted in these links but it gives a reference)

http://deoxy.org/manna.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe


This sacred mushroom was an entheogenic (en = within : theo = devine : gen = generate .... 'generates the devine within') substance which created altered mental states (and soem researchers suggest even to lower barriers of the usual brain to allow experience of other real realms) and can induce the experience of "oneness" with Reality (or the peoples at that time probably would have termed "knowing God").

This mushroom possibly is the 'manna' referred to in the Bible.
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Exodus 16:14-15

"And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground . And when the children of Israel saw if, they said one to another It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat."

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Exodus 12:19-20

"And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning (16:19). Notwithstanding they harkened not unto Moses, but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms and stank: and Moses was wroth with them (16:20). And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating. and when the sun waxed hot it melted...(16:21).
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From what I've read, these mushrooms do start to have worms if left too long.


I've never tried these things myself but have looked into this subject as it is interesting. Shamanic cultures use these types of plants and mushrooms in their religious beliefs and ceremonies.


There are images even within Christian art and chapels which seem to show mushrooms although the idea probably will be met with reistance by most Christians.

http://thesacredmushroom.com/main/index.php?module=photoalbum&PHPWS_Album_op=view&PHPWS_Album_id=1


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[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

It is the (etheric) vessel which contains the (etheric) "blood" of the (cosmic) Christ.

It can (and has) materialise briefly.

Read my reply to zetetic0void

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

"Holy Grail - not what you think it is or is it?"
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I don't know if this has been said but I've heard some ideas that suggest perhaps the Holy Grail was actually a material composed of a species of 'sacred mushroom' (psilocybin or other mushroom) put in a container of honey to preserve it which was put inside the Ark of the Covenant. This was the saved source of this manna which they no longer found once they reached a settled land.


http://deoxy.org/manna.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe


This sacred mushroom was an entheogenic (en = within : theo = devine : gen = generate .... 'generates the devine within') substance which created altered mental states (and soem researchers suggest even to lower barriers of the usual brain to allow experience of other real realms) and can induce the experience of "oneness" with Reality (or the peoples at that time probably would have termed "knowing God").

This mushroom possibly is the 'manna' referred to in the Bible.
-----------
Exodus 16:14-15

"And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground . And when the children of Israel saw if, they said one to another It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat."

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Exodus 12:19-20

"And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning (16:19). Notwithstanding they harkened not unto Moses, but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms and stank: and Moses was wroth with them (16:20). And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating. and when the sun waxed hot it melted...(16:21).
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From what I've read, these mushrooms do start to have worms if left too long.


I've never tried these things myself but have looked into this subject as it is interesting. Shamanic cultures use these types of plants and mushrooms in their religious beliefs and ceremonies.


There are images even within Christian art and chapels which seem to show mushrooms although the idea probably will be met with reistance by most Christians.

http://thesacredmushroom.com/main/index.php?module=photoalbum&PHPWS_Album_op=view&PHPWS_Album_id=1


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Then why would templars renounce their belief in Christianity after seeing what the grail is?

A mushroom wouldn't make them curse it. Yes, they stay due to power and the oath of death. However why would a mere mushroom make them do this?

[phildee3]

Read my reply to zetetic0void



Why?

[cinder_darkskys]

Top 2 inchs maybe a bit bigger. over lay an a seal, which looks very much like a Skull an Crossed Bones. But it looks like there may be more to the ressalutions- I was useing were feeable, to say the lest.

St patrick held the Cup of Christ. He used it chaced the snakes away, or serpents, or Reptials.
There is an amulet as well. < I believe )...
He also knew of the gates of heaven...
Mar's or ET point of view; The Cup of Christ is a Small part of the Chalace of god. They know just what it is, an where it is.
intressing stuff as a side note.

King Arther may have been real. in our time, or a Great king who may have listion to a tales, like that from his father or teachers. in more uncivied times a King may have been given that name as HONOR for his deeds, from such a tale.

Mar's or ET point of view; Arther real or fiction. I actial have Images up This shows a king, human seeming from another earlier 25,000 span as we know man, Who place his wife as the highest places, in his crown, < Crown symbology Mars, Relates these 2 crowns This Great King, and Gods Crown, or the Crown of God.) He knew god. Nether have anything to do with the cup of Christ, More trinket and bobbles.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=372&pictureid=3442
The 1 tin soldior effect.
As I have Said The Cup is a small part of the Chalace of God.
As humans What we need to know is this.
man an wife Holy. An how your wife should be held in your hights place. Wife should be looked after.
In the real world This just a small section of Mars the whole image.
If you seek the Holy Grail look between your legs and have a wedding ring even better, an enjoy your wife. love her an honor her.

Peace

[eternal_spirit]

It is the (etheric) vessel which contains the (etheric) "blood" of the (cosmic) Christ.

It can (and has) materialised briefly.
Expand:confused:

[fidelcastro]

If the Illuminati have posession of it, I'm not so sure they looked after it "responsibly" if you know what I mean. I feel that the illuminati have many things that they have kept hidden from the world so that there is no actual evidence of what really happened in the past as referred to in the bible.

I think its about the secret books. The jews already own 2 books book of creation and the other is the book of healing. (the kabbalah). but there are other books hidden. I dont know wether they have them already or not. But i do know that they are digging in Palestina for a while now.

In the quran youll find the following verses wich i interpretet that the illuminati do have information wich they keep for themselfs and lie about:

40. O Children of Israel! Remember My Favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill (your obligations to) My Covenant (with you) so that I fulfill (My Obligations to) your covenant (with Me), and fear none but Me.

41. And believe in what I have sent down (this Qur'an), confirming that which is with you, [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone. (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. I, Page 253).

42. And mix not truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth while you know (the truth) .

[hadabusa]

its the womb.not a cup.

[lordzoma]

All this talk about the Holy Grail, but nobody mentioned that the Philosophers Stone may have been thought of as being the Holy Grail.

I think the Holy Grail (Philosophers Stone) is a 144 faceted gem. The words Holy Grail became a metaphor but the philosophers stone would exist as a tangible object.

Like the Florentine diamond, only green.

http://famousdiamonds.tripod.com/florentinediamond.jpg

OR, according to Otto Rahn, it was 144 stone tablets engraved in emerald.

The Rosicrucians believe there are 144 elements in the universe.

"The sacred site of Externsteine is located in the heartland of Germany. The rocks are 70 million year old sandstone spires with the remains of a temple still existing on the top. The temple has definite astronomical purposes as its rounded windows align with the moon and the sun during the summer solstice. Some researchers believe that the Persian god Mithras was worshipped here but others believe that the Germanic gods and goddesses were the objects of devotion. Up through the 8th century CE Pagan rituals were conducted here until Charles the Great cut down the site's 'Tree of Life' the religious symbol of the Pagan religion. There appear to be signs that these rituals are still practiced here. During the Nazi era hymns were sung here by the Nazi youth during the solstice and on Hitler's birthday. A decidedly Neo-Nazi element is still active. A series of hand-hewn caves are located in the base of the spires and, while their original purpose is unknown, Christian monks occupied them in the 12th century.

During the time of the Nazis, Otto Rahn investigated these ruins. Rahn must have discovered something that caused him to invent a very strange theory. He came to the conclusion that the fabled Emerald Cup was only one Holy Grail, while in fact there was another... The second Grail, which according to Rahn, was a Stone, or more specifically, a collection of stone tablets... on which was written the wisdom of the ages or the ultimate truth, but in a language that no one could decipher ...In ancient times, the word 'Gorr' meant 'Precious Stone,' and 'Al' meant 'a splinter' or 'stylus' with which to write. Hence came the contraction to Gorral or Graal, meaning Precious Engraved Stone." Rahn believed that it was either one perfect emerald with 144 facets or 144 tablets of stone engraved in emerald.

This parallels another Ancient Sumerian myth that is written about in Egyptian Civilization. The earliest known specimen of historical Sumerian writing is the votive inscription on the trophy stone-bowl or 'Holy Grail' captured from the Serpent-Dragon worshippers by the first Sumerian King Zass (AKA Ukusi or Ot-Tur) think Ar-Thur and the Pendragon line. It was engraved by his great-grandson King Udu of Kisk about 3245 B.C. This itself also corresponds nicely with a man named Buechner's description of the first Grail, the Emerald Cup, as having been inscribed with Cuneiform (Sumerian writing) and handed down 'by God' to Melchizidek, who used it to serve wine to Abraham and who was undoubtedly one of the Priest-Kings (Fisher Kings) of Ancient Mesopotamia.

The treasures stolen by the Nazi's were reputed to be; Items from Solomon's temple (including gold plates and wooden fragments of the original ark), 12 (or 144) stone tablets with indecipherable, pre-runic writing upon them, a silver cup with a jasper green base, and 3 gold plaques inscribed in cuneiform script. Most of the treasure is said to be deep under the walls of Heinrich Himmler's castle home 'Wewelsburg'. There are, however, many persistent rumors that part of the treasure is buried at Externsteine.
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[angelthecat]

"Holy Grail - not what you think it is or is it?"
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Sacred Mushroom??


I don't know if this has been said but I've heard some ideas that suggest perhaps the Holy Grail was actually a material composed of a species of 'sacred mushroom' (psilocybin or other mushroom) put in a container of honey to preserve it which was put inside the Ark of the Covenant. This was the saved source of this manna which they no longer found once they reached a settled land.

(I might not believe everything posted in these links but it gives a reference)

http://deoxy.org/manna.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe


This sacred mushroom was an entheogenic (en = within : theo = devine : gen = generate .... 'generates the devine within') substance which created altered mental states (and soem researchers suggest even to lower barriers of the usual brain to allow experience of other real realms) and can induce the experience of "oneness" with Reality (or the peoples at that time probably would have termed "knowing God").

This mushroom possibly is the 'manna' referred to in the Bible.
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Exodus 16:14-15

"And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground . And when the children of Israel saw if, they said one to another It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat."

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Exodus 12:19-20

"And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning (16:19). Notwithstanding they harkened not unto Moses, but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms and stank: and Moses was wroth with them (16:20). And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating. and when the sun waxed hot it melted...(16:21).
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From what I've read, these mushrooms do start to have worms if left too long.


I've never tried these things myself but have looked into this subject as it is interesting. Shamanic cultures use these types of plants and mushrooms in their religious beliefs and ceremonies.


There are images even within Christian art and chapels which seem to show mushrooms although the idea probably will be met with reistance by most Christians.

http://thesacredmushroom.com/main/index.php?module=photoalbum&PHPWS_Album_op=view&PHPWS_Album_id=1


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I believe that it is the amanita muscaria mushroom as described by the (so called be-bunked by those who dont want you to know) theory of John Marco Allegro, It has a large DMT content and apparantly 2.5 grammes is enough to give you an out of body experience. Also the pope dresses up as this mushroom check out the

pharmacratic-inquisition (http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/main/)

if you consider bread in the bible to mushroom then five large amanita's may feed 5,000 people enough to make them forget their hunger, in addition to 2 fish (sign of pisces), as one of its side effects is to make people vomit it should be of no suprise that the deciples collected 13 bushels of leftovers (vomit)

dont rule it in and dont rule it out, just dont know for sure

:rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ZAhbIqF54N5_jM:http://files.shroomery.org/files/08-47/703065548-Fly_Agaric.jpg
Yeah had afair few of these beauties myself.
But have had better experiences from these little beauts

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:YduAZuP5WTxaeM:http://teleomorph.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ps1.jpg

And can say we used to joke about feeling like Jesus. :D

[miracles]

Good article and has many explanations/theories about the Grail


What the Hell is the Holy Grail?

By Tracy R. Twyman
It is the editorial position of Dagobert’s Revenge that the “Sangreal”, or “Holy Grail”, as described in the stories that emerged from the courts of Europe in the early part of this millennium, is actually a veiled reference to the bloodline of David, a play on the words “Sang real”, meaning “royal blood.” In the stories, the custodians of the Grail are the “Grail family”, headed by the Fisher King. They trace their lineage back to Joseph of Arimathea, who, along with Mary Magdalene, was supposed to have brought the Grail (often a cup filled with the “blood” of Jesus) from Jerusalem after the crucifixion. The Grail family is romanticized as being chosen directly by God, just as King David was chosen for Israel, and one of its members, Sir Galahad, is described as “a scion of the House of David.


http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=35

http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=192

I thought it was a fiction novel, Ive got a copy and read it yonks ago. Its like reading the encycloedia britanica

[phildee3]

It is the mystical (ie. existing on the etheric) cup containing the mystical Blood of Christ. It may be accessed through it's physical counterpart at the holy mass. At the consecration the wine is infused with the real essence of the Holy Blood which exists on the etheric.

http://www.bandeiragalega.com/img/breino.png

Flag of the Kingdom of Galicia.

[eternal_spirit]

This is complete disinfo.
The exact opposite of the truth.

The Holy Grail is the ONE THING that the elite/illuminati cannot possess.
It is only available to the worthy - the meek and humble.
Parcifal is the only one in the legend to attain it.
If WE are to attain it, we must become like Parcifal.
Nobody can say what it is, even after attaining it (or else the unworthy would know).

Richard Whiting, the last abbot of Glastonbury, gave everything to Henry VIII,
and yet he was still punished by most cruel death imaginable.
Why?
Because he could not give Henry the Grail.
http://www.monsalvat.no/story0.htm