The Scriptures are all about the HEART

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Do you know that the scriptures mention the word "HEART" 833 times? :eek:

And that's mainly what is recorded that Jesus talked about. He talked about other stuff but the HEART was a main topic.

The HEART: a gateway to KNOW God.

God speaks thru your HEART CONNECTION.

He speaks to your intellect at tmes, but You really KNOW God thru your HEART. "Be still and know that I am God" (Psalm 46:10)


"For where your treasure is, there your HEART will be also" (Matthew 6:21)

"Blessed are the pure in HEART, For they shall SEE God" (Matthew 5:8)

"These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their HEART is far from Me. (Matthew 15:8) (false religious "works")

"A good man out of the good treasure of his HEART brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his HEART brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the HEART his mouth speaks." (Luke 6:45)

"LET not your HEART be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me" (John 14:1)

"Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your HEART be troubled, neither let it be afraid" (John 14:27)


It's ALL about the HEART.

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The 'heart' is related to 'love'.

We have five purposes in our walk with God:

1 - We were made for His pleasure
2 - We were made to be part of His family
3 - We were made to be Christ-like
4 - We were made to serve God
5 - We were made to fulfil His mission

Being a member of God's family is the highest honour and the WHOLE Law can be summed up in one word - LOVE.

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The 'heart' is related to 'love'.

We have five purposes in our walk with God:

1 - We were made for His pleasure
2 - We were made to be part of His family
3 - We were made to be Christ-like
4 - We were made to serve God
5 - We were made to fulfil His mission

Being a member of God's family is the highest honour and the WHOLE Law can be summed up in one word - LOVE.

:)

God is LOVE. God LOVES with the HEART :)

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God is LOVE. God LOVES with the HEART :)

That's right. :)

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That's right. :)

We are really in agreement today. Law of attraction ;)

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Hehe, must be. God told me off earlier today. He says I'm always too busy for Him and that I need to slow down in order to progress to great things with Him.

I'm always getting told off *sigh*

:)

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Hehe, must be. God told me off earlier today. He says I'm always too busy for Him and that I need to slow down in order to progress to great things with Him.

I'm always getting told off *sigh*

:)

Was talking to this christian in a pub the other day and he spekas to god a lot and hes his best pal and all this stuff I meant to ask if he talks back but the conversation was flowing, so when he told you off was it a voice in your head or what ?

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Also when you say he says your too busy for him what does that mean? Too busy to go to church or what ?

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Was talking to this christian in a pub the other day and he spekas to god a lot and hes his best pal and all this stuff I meant to ask if he talks back but the conversation was flowing, so when he told you off was it a voice in your head or what ?

Sometimes it's a voice in the head, other times it's in the form of dreams and other times it's through other people*. Especially when through other people, you need to test it as it can simply be the voice/thoughts of those people or malevolent spirits. If it's God, we get confirmation from another source...say for example, I have an idea about something, a way to live my life, a choice etc I don't always know if it is a thought God has planted or something from my own desires. I will usually pray about it and it will be confirmed through another person who had no prior knowledge giving me the same information, or a separate opportunity with the same outcome will be presented to me. When it's a direct voice, it's hard to explain. It's kinda not inside the head LOL. Sometimes it's formed sentences, other times it will be single words or metaphors (and I'm no good at interpreting them so get in a hissy fit).

*Ever see that series Joan of Arcadia? This made me think of that :D

Also when you say he says your too busy for him what does that mean? Too busy to go to church or what ?

Because answers don't always come in the form of direct speech, or immediately, I often miss them. Sometimes answers have already come and I'm that busy looking for them that I pass them by. Also, I always fill my time DOING things and He's told me several times I need to just BE and rest in the Holy Spirit where I can learn. I have a really short attention span so find this hard to do; I'm like "But why? Why? What? How? Tell me? Why ya being mean to me!" :D

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Yeah, the god of the old testament was a very 'loving' god.:rolleyes:

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Yeah, the god of the old testament was a very 'loving' god.:rolleyes:

God was, is and will be. And yes, he was a loving God. Those who were reprimanded deserved it. You forget that in those days there wasn't the vast chasm between the Creator and the created and people still turned their backs and did their own thing to offend God. OT admonitions were for nations, the NT speaks mainly about personal relationships with Him.

Although the punishments of God may appear to some as out of character with His mercifulness and love, it is not true that these are contradictory attributes. Justice is necessary to show love to the victims of evil. If God did not punish those who perpetrate evil, we would not only consider Him unrighteous but uncaring as well. When reading some of these isolated instances in the scripture, we are not privy to the extent of their actions and why God feels they should be judged, so we tend to think of the judgment as unfair. But God is God; He is in the position to judge His creation and because of that He doesn't need to justify His actions to us with an explanation why a nation deserves judgment.

Throughout the Bible, God is portrayed as not only loving and long-suffering, but also a righteous judge who will come to punish the unrepentant and the wicked. This is as true in the New Testament as in the Old. The Book of Revelation specifically speaks about God's judgment on the nations and His wholesale destruction of nations. Similarly, the Old Testament highlights instances where god reached out to sinning nations and gave them unusual grace.
http://www.comereason.org/bibl_cntr/con090.asp

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Was talking to this christian in a pub the other day and he spekas to god a lot and hes his best pal and all this stuff I meant to ask if he talks back but the conversation was flowing, so when he told you off was it a voice in your head or what ?

God the infinite One, speaks from His Spirit which is the Holy Spirit, to your spirit, resident in every human being. When your spirit is suppressed, it's difficult to "hear" what the Spirit is saying. But when you open yourself (and your HEART) to the Holy Spirit, you can hear more clearly.

HEART conditions like anger and unforgiveness, block us from hearing the Spirit.

(Matthew 5:8) "The pure in HEART shall see God" said Jesus Christ.

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God the infinite One, speaks from His Spirit which is the Holy Spirit, to your spirit, resident in every human being. When your spirit is suppressed, it's difficult to "hear" what the Spirit is saying. But when you open yourself (and your HEART) to the Holy Spirit, you can hear more clearly.

HEART conditions like anger and unforgiveness, block us from hearing the Spirit.

Tru dat. ;)

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God was, is and will be. And yes, he was a loving God. Those who were reprimanded deserved it. You forget that in those days there wasn't the vast chasm between the Creator and the created and people still turned their backs and did their own thing to offend God. OT admonitions were for nations, the NT speaks mainly about personal relationships with Him.

The Old Testament is about an Egyptian sun cult. If you knew a lot about astrology, meanings of words, mythology, and history you would be able to get an idea of what the bible is really about. Look into it.

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Sometimes it's a voice in the head, other times it's in the form of dreams and other times it's through other people*. Especially when through other people, you need to test it as it can simply be the voice/thoughts of those people or malevolent spirits. If it's God, we get confirmation from another source...say for example, I have an idea about something, a way to live my life, a choice etc I don't always know if it is a thought God has planted or something from my own desires. I will usually pray about it and it will be confirmed through another person who had no prior knowledge giving me the same information, or a separate opportunity with the same outcome will be presented to me. When it's a direct voice, it's hard to explain. It's kinda not inside the head LOL. Sometimes it's formed sentences, other times it will be single words or metaphors (and I'm no good at interpreting them so get in a hissy fit).

*Ever see that series Joan of Arcadia? This made me think of that :D



Because answers don't always come in the form of direct speech, or immediately, I often miss them. Sometimes answers have already come and I'm that busy looking for them that I pass them by. Also, I always fill my time DOING things and He's told me several times I need to just BE and rest in the Holy Spirit where I can learn. I have a really short attention span so find this hard to do; I'm like "But why? Why? What? How? Tell me? Why ya being mean to me!" :D


Interesting cheers. The christian I was talking to came over to me and mrs dmt in the pub because we were playing with a pendulum, got into a bit of a debate was cool, though he was trying to make us go to his church, he was saying I shouldnt be playing with this pendulum because we just have to have faith in God and Jesus, im not asking you just saying why would God or Jesus be against using whatever forces are there for good?

And personally I dont get this having to worship him, if he exists, surely he loves you anyway, infinite love and all that. Personally I think we are all experssions of god and we are all one so why go worship yourself ? If thats the case im not sure tbh with dmt experiences, why did god create dmt? This button inside all of us to venture in other dimensions? Not asking you armoured just saying lol does my head in sometimes lol

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Interesting cheers. The christian I was talking to came over to me and mrs dmt in the pub because we were playing with a pendulum, got into a bit of a debate was cool, though he was trying to make us go to his church, he was saying I shouldnt be playing with this pendulum because we just have to have faith in God and Jesus, im not asking you just saying why would God or Jesus be against using whatever forces are there for good?

And personally I dont get this having to worship him, if he exists, surely he loves you anyway, infinite love and all that. Personally I think we are all experssions of god and we are all one so why go worship yourself ? If thats the case im not sure tbh with dmt experiences, why did god create dmt? This button inside all of us to venture in other dimensions? Not asking you armoured just saying lol does my head in sometimes lol

I don't think anyone should make anyone do ANYTHING. that's what "religion' does.

The Holy Spirit gives you a free will choice.

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God the infinite One, speaks from His Spirit which is the Holy Spirit, to your spirit, resident in every human being. When your spirit is suppressed, it's difficult to "hear" what the Spirit is saying. But when you open yourself (and your HEART) to the Holy Spirit, you can hear more clearly.

HEART conditions like anger and unforgiveness, block us from hearing the Spirit.

(Matthew 5:8) "The pure in HEART shall see God" said Jesus Christ.

How do you open yourself?? By worshipping god and becoming a christian?? Thats what this guy in the pub was saying, cos im not goi9ng to start going to church and not be involved smoking dmt and taking ayahuasca, where lots of people say you meet god, and I bet you can ive only met a whole bunch of aliens that showed me love ive never experienced, though I dont think they are divine or God or angels lol

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I don't think anyone should make anyone do ANYTHING. that's what "religion' does.

The Holy Spirit gives you a free will choice.


But arent you talking about religion?? Jesus and God ??

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Interesting cheers. The christian I was talking to came over to me and mrs dmt in the pub because we were playing with a pendulum, got into a bit of a debate was cool, though he was trying to make us go to his church, he was saying I shouldnt be playing with this pendulum because we just have to have faith in God and Jesus, im not asking you just saying why would God or Jesus be against using whatever forces are there for good?

And personally I dont get this having to worship him, if he exists, surely he loves you anyway, infinite love and all that. Personally I think we are all experssions of god and we are all one so why go worship yourself ? If thats the case im not sure tbh with dmt experiences, why did god create dmt? This button inside all of us to venture in other dimensions? Not asking you armoured just saying lol does my head in sometimes lol

God created individual people because individuals are a manifestation of different aspects of His HEART.

That's why all the different species of animals and all the different races were created. Because God is so creative, He can't stop creating new things. He just loves it! And he wants us to be just like Him, creating new things and sowing love. because God is love. And God loves from the HEART.

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But arent you talking about religion?? Jesus and God ??

RELIGION in it's outer form is man made.

RELATIONSHIP with God thru the Holy Spirit is God made.

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This is the loving god that sends people to 'hell' if they don't believe in jesus. In other words, if you are not a christian you are going to 'hell'. So he sent all the native american indians to hell because they were pagans and didn't know jesus. It seems like god punishes more than he loves.

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Interesting cheers. The christian I was talking to came over to me and mrs dmt in the pub because we were playing with a pendulum, got into a bit of a debate was cool, though he was trying to make us go to his church, he was saying I shouldnt be playing with this pendulum because we just have to have faith in God and Jesus, im not asking you just saying why would God or Jesus be against using whatever forces are there for good?

And personally I dont get this having to worship him, if he exists, surely he loves you anyway, infinite love and all that. Personally I think we are all experssions of god and we are all one so why go worship yourself ? If thats the case im not sure tbh with dmt experiences, why did god create dmt? This button inside all of us to venture in other dimensions? Not asking you armoured just saying lol does my head in sometimes lol

LOL

I look at it like this. 'God' is the name I/we use for the Creator that created EVERYTHING. God is an easy prenoun, like calling someone Sean or Sarah etc. Below God are all His creations and those that chose to be apart from Him form the tier of gods and non-human entities that endeavour to separate us from our Creator for their own gains. The biggest problem we have - even with believers - is not realising that we can go directly to our Source. Thus, when using a pendulum or any other tool of divination, who's to say that the energy received is from our Creator or one of the (malevolent) lower beings? I had a LOT more personal power before I came to God. A LOT. And it was coming from elsewhere, I was a conduit for many forces and able to do a lot of stuff. That kind of power is addictive. I put a lid on it and became an infant again and now, any gift that I have, I know it has come from the Creator/God and I only use it when I am instructed to (which is rarely). I guess this guy in the pub didn't want you open to forces who do not have your interests at heart. When we invite the Holy Spirit to dwell in us, we love others as ourselves and thus want them to be safe from harm.

As to the worship thing. Sometimes I'll be somewhere really beautiful and I'll look around and think "Wow. Look at this! In my greatest moments I could never create anything remotely like this." Then I think how AWESOME design is, and the humans that we are meant to be - our potential etc. How can I not be thankful and humbled that I was "wonderfully and fearfully made"? :D A child with a good relationship with their parents will worship them. To understand that, we look at the main definition of the term 'worship':

'Reverent love and devotion'

and the term 'reverence':

'A feeling of profound awe and respect and often love.'

That's how we are happy to worship. :)

This is the loving god that sends people to 'hell' if they don't believe in jesus. In other words, if you are not a christian you are going to 'hell'. So he sent all the native american indians to hell because they were pagans and didn't know jesus. It seems like god punishes more than he loves.

You speak as an angry child. How do you know anyone's in Hell? As far as I'm aware, no one's there yet. Everyone has an opportunity to know God and unless you are there with every person in the world you know not of their personal experience. :)

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How do you open yourself?? By worshipping god and becoming a christian?? Thats what this guy in the pub was saying, cos im not goi9ng to start going to church and not be involved smoking dmt and taking ayahuasca, where lots of people say you meet god, and I bet you can ive only met a whole bunch of aliens that showed me love ive never experienced, though I dont think they are divine or God or angels lol

You don't need to go to a church. God is right where you are.

You start by ASKING.

ASKING God to make His home in your heart. When you do that, you have God's HEART joined by the Spirit to your heart. A perfect union of love. Ask Him to cleanse any unforgiveness and anger from your heart, and if your heart is sincere, He will, by his Spirit.

God knows when we are sincere as God knows ALL hearts.

ASK and you shall receive :)

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You don't need to go to a church. God is right where you are.

You start by ASKING.

ASKING God to make His home in your heart. When you do that, you have God's HEART joined by the Spirit to your heart. A perfect union of love. Ask Him to cleanse any unforgiveness and anger from your heart, and if your heart is sincere, He will, by his Spirit.

God knows when we are sincere as God knows ALL hearts.

ASK and you shall receive :)

I notice you don't mention Jesus once there. I thought it was only through him that you can be saved. What about the people that never hear about him? Are they screwed?

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LOL

I look at it like this. 'God' is the name I/we use for the Creator that created EVERYTHING. God is an easy prenoun, like calling someone Sean or Sarah etc. Below God are all His creations and those that chose to be apart from Him form the tier of gods and non-human entities that endeavour to separate us from our Creator for their own gains. The biggest problem we have - even with believers - is not realising that we can go directly to our Source. Thus, when using a pendulum or any other tool of divination, who's to say that the energy received is from our Creator or one of the (malevolent) lower beings? I had a LOT more personal power before I came to God. A LOT. And it was coming from elsewhere, I was a conduit for many forces and able to do a lot of stuff. That kind of power is addictive. I put a lid on it and became an infant again and now, any gift that I have, I know it has come from the Creator/God and I only use it when I am instructed to (which is rarely). I guess this guy in the pub didn't want you open to forces who do not have your interests at heart. When we invite the Holy Spirit to dwell in us, we love others as ourselves and thus want them to be safe from harm.

As to the worship thing. Sometimes I'll be somewhere really beautiful and I'll look around and think "Wow. Look at this! In my greatest moments I could never create anything remotely like this." Then I think how AWESOME design is, and the humans that we are meant to be - our potential etc. How can I not be thankful and humbled that I was "wonderfully and fearfully made"? :D A child with a good relationship with their parents will worship them. To understand that, we look at the main definition of the term 'worship':

'Reverent love and devotion'

and the term 'reverence':

'A feeling of profound awe and respect and often love.'

That's how we are happy to worship. :)



You speak as an angry child. How do you know anyone's in Hell? As far as I'm aware, no one's there yet. Everyone has an opportunity to know God and unless you are there with every person in the world you know not of their personal experience. :)

Yes, worship is simply gratitude and thankfulness for the goodness that is God. God is ALL goodness.

When you see and appreciate something beautiful and something magnificent, you are grateful.

Worship is a natural thing. it is good to thank God for good things. We forget to do that quite often.

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Now I have this song stuck in my head lololol

*turns it up and dances round the room*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMnMN08sv4k

I notice you don't mention Jesus once there. I thought it was only through him that you can be saved. What about the people that never hear about him? Are they screwed?

Everyone will meet Jesus and get a chance to accept Him or turn Him down.

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I notice you don't mention Jesus once there. I thought it was only through him that you can be saved. What about the people that never hear about him? Are they screwed?

Jesus the Christ said," When you see ME, you've seen the Father. Jesus Christ is part of the Godhead. The three outer manifestations of the totality of God.

God is infinite but he also manifested in the three manifestations known as the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit.....perhaps, so we finite humans can try and get a grasp on the infinite. God was just trying to make it a bit easier for us because He is just like that.

As, God is love, and it is His nature to be loving and kind.

*Oh, I want to add, that all of this comes out of God's HEART:)

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Jesus the Christ said," When you see ME, you've seen the Father. Jesus Christ is part of the Godhead. The three outer manifestations of the totality of God.

God is infinite but he also manifested in the three manifestations known as the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit.....perhaps, so we finite humans can try and get a grasp on the infinite. God was just trying to make it a bit easier for us because He is just like that.

As, God is love, and it is His nature to be loving and kind.


*Oh, I want to add, that all of this comes out of God's HEART:)

That doesn't answer my question in the slightest. I used to work in sales and they have a term for what you have just done there.

Everyone will meet Jesus and get a chance to accept Him or turn Him down.

Cool. Can I be a naughty boy and wait till I get to the pearly gates and then say sorry?

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I notice you don't mention Jesus once there. I thought it was only through him that you can be saved. What about the people that never hear about him? Are they screwed?

I said that to the christian guy in the pub and he said its the same god, they just havent heard of Jesus, oh and thanks for the replys folks, still I want to hopefully meet him one day! :D

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Now I have this song stuck in my head lololol

*turns it up and dances round the room*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMnMN08sv4k



Everyone will meet Jesus and get a chance to accept Him or turn Him down.

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that video! :)

I am grateful that you posted that! :)

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That doesn't answer my question in the slightest. I used to work in sales and they have a term for what you have just done there.

Cool. Can I be a naughty boy and wait till I get to the pearly gates and then say sorry?

I was saying that to the christian guy, surely if that did happen you would repent and get in, the christian guy said oh no you could go to hell, which I dont buy. Find it hard when I think of paedos and the like but loveing all creation and all :confused:

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Cool. Can I be a naughty boy and wait till I get to the pearly gates and then say sorry?

Well, I don't think there are any 'pearly gates' but if you mean can you dwell in evil and then just take it back, God knows the HEART. So, you can try. But I wouldn't put money on it. ;)

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Well, I don't think there are any 'pearly gates' but if you mean can you dwell in evil and then just take it back, God knows the HEART. So, you can try. But I wouldn't put money on it. ;)

So would you go to hell then yes? lol

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That doesn't answer my question in the slightest. I used to work in sales and they have a term for what you have just done there.



Cool. Can I be a naughty boy and wait till I get to the pearly gates and then say sorry?

You mean about people who have never heard of Him? If that is the question, God only holds one accountable for what they KNOW. Not for what they don't know. I have heard that Jesus has manifested Himself to people who have never heard of Him before tho.

Jesus the Christ is the intersection between God and man. That is why God manifested in to a man, the "Christ" Jesus. He said I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me, (the intersection).

OR you could read the scripture this way: I AM the way, the truth and the Life.

because when Jesus was talking about Himself, he was also talking about God.

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That doesn't answer my question in the slightest. I used to work in sales and they have a term for what you have just done there.

Sorry, I do not have an agenda or technique ....I am speaking from the HEART :)

(Must keep with my "theme" topic)

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I was saying that to the christian guy, surely if that did happen you would repent and get in, the christian guy said oh no you could go to hell, which I dont buy. Find it hard when I think of paedos and the like but loveing all creation and all :confused:

This is the question I always ask Christians. I've probably asked it over a hundred times. These two obviously don't know their scripture very well or they would be able to answer my query with ease.

Come on girls.. there's a passage that deals with this very question. How come you don't know it. You haven't even come close to paraphrasing it.

Do you read the bible?

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so would you go to hell then yes? Lol

lol I'm not qualified to comment :D

This is the question I always ask Christians. I've probably asked it over a hundred times. These two obviously don't know their scripture very well or they would be able to answer my query with ease.

Come on girls.. there's a passage that deals with this very question. How come you don't know it. You haven't even come close to paraphrasing it.

Do you read the bible?

Oh, I know my Scripture very well, trust me.

There are several passages in the Bible that relate, but I am speaking personally in this thread and not employing apologetics.

Besides, if you want bible scripture, you can have this one.

Matt 7:6
"Never give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs. Otherwise, they will trample them with their feet and then turn around and attack you."

The meaning behind this scripture is that it is futile discussing the Word with people who don't want to hear it, but merely to refute it. People always get pissy about it because they think dogs and pigs are used as an insult but that is not the intention behind the passage. ;) But basically, I'm happy to discuss the Bible and God with people with open ears, but to waste time in theological debate with those viewing it as an academic sparring event, it's not something I do because it turns my attention away from God and to humans.

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This is the question I always ask Christians. I've probably asked it over a hundred times. These two obviously don't know their scripture very well or they would be able to answer my query with ease.

Come on girls.. there's a passage that deals with this very question. How come you don't know it. You haven't even come close to paraphrasing it.

Do you read the bible?

Not sure what you are asking dude ;) Please explain.

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Not sure what you are asking dude ;) Please explain.

This one..

I notice you don't mention Jesus once there. I thought it was only through him that you can be saved. What about the people that never hear about him? Are they screwed?

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It was answered further up in the thread.

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If a paedo sincerely and humbly says from their HEART to Jesus Christ that they do not want to be the way they are and that they do not want to abuse little ones anymore, God will forgive them.

Because God's mercy is greater than even human mercy and because God knows the HEARTS of ALL. Also because He created all humanity and because He is love. And His love is infinite.

Man does not know another's HEART but God knows the HEARTS of all men and women.

Does this answer your question?

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It was answered further up in the thread.

No it wasn't you went back and edited your post after my I made my last one.

Oh, I know my Scripture very well, trust me.

There are several passages in the Bible that relate, but I am speaking personally in this thread and not employing apologetics.

Besides, if you want bible scripture, you can have this one.

Matt 7:6
"Never give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs. Otherwise, they will trample them with their feet and then turn around and attack you."

The meaning behind this scripture is that it is futile discussing the Word with people who don't want to hear it, but merely to refute it. People always get pissy about it because they think dogs and pigs are used as an insult but that is not the intention behind the passage. But basically, I'm happy to discuss the Bible and God with people with open ears, but to waste time in theological debate with those viewing it as an academic sparring event, it's not something I do because it turns my attention away from God and to humans.

I think you are making a grand assumption here. I'm not hear to refute it and I do want to discuss it. Why are you in defense mode? I don't want you to employ apologetics.

I know the Bible very well myself having studying for quite some time when I was younger.

And how is this answering my question?

I accept not all Christians know the scripture well enough to answer the question. What I am saying is the answer is in the Bible itself.

Would you like to try again?

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If a paedo sincerely and humbly says from their HEART to Jesus Christ that they do not want to be the way they are and that they do not want to abuse little ones anymore, God will forgive them.

Because God's mercy is greater than even human mercy and because God knows the HEARTS of ALL. Also because He created all humanity and because He is love. And His love is infinite.

Man does not know another's HEART but God knows the HEARTS of all men and women.

Does this answer your question?

So are you saying that you can still by saved by Jesus and communicate with him through your HEART even if you've never heard of him?

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Was thinking, perhaps because God's love is so PURE and transparent, maybe that's how Jesus Christ was able to walk thru walls. Being pure energy and love.

And meet with several of his believers after he was ressurrected as it says in the book of Acts. He didn't need time travel as He WAS time travel!

It says in Revelation 22:1 that the river of God in heaven proceeding from His throne is like pure water, clear as crystal.

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No it wasn't you went back and edited your post after my I made my last one.



I think you are making a grand assumption here. I'm not hear to refute it and I do want to discuss it. Why are you in defense mode? I don't want you to employ apologetics.

I know the Bible very well myself having studying for quite some time when I was younger.

And how is this answering my question?

I accept not all Christians know the scripture well enough to answer the question. What I am saying is the answer is in the Bible itself.

Would you like to try again?

:rolleyes:

Romans 12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

So are you saying that you can still by saved by Jesus and communicate with him through your HEART even if you've never heard of him?

Yes. If a person dies and God knows that they had no chance, then they would be saved just as babies are. However, you are writing this question and you know about Him.

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So are you saying that you can still by saved by Jesus and communicate with him through your HEART even if you've never heard of him?

What I am saying is that every person is at different places and different levels. Some have never heard of Jesus Christ. I believe God will only judge a person on what they know, not what they don't know.

For example little babies. I believe, God knowing all their little hearts, are not judged as they haven't had a chance yet to accept or not accept His love and His message.

One that does know can either accept or reject Jesus the Christ's message.

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:rolleyes:

Romans 12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.



Yes. If a person dies and God knows that they had no chance, then they would be saved just as babies are. However, you are writing this question and you know about Him.

We were on the same God wavelength :D

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We were on the same God wavelength :D


:D

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You speak as an angry child. How do you know anyone's in Hell? As far as I'm aware, no one's there yet. Everyone has an opportunity to know God and unless you are there with every person in the world you know not of their personal experience. :)

No, i'm not angry, i'm just pointing out that god supposedly will send people to hell if they aren't 'christian' or believe in the god of the bible. Based on your reply to my comment, you can't explain this yourself. Everyone does have the opportunity to know god, but everyone didn't have the opportunity to know the christian god. It's silly to think that you have to believe in the god of the bible in order to get to 'heaven'. Like I said before, this would mean the native american indians, african tribes, etc. will be going to 'hell' because they didn't know the god of the bible. I believe 'god' is beyond religion and man made holy books. There is no one way to know 'god'. Whether, you're christian, muslim, pagan, etc. you can know 'god'.

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No, i'm not angry, i'm just pointing out that god supposedly will send people to hell if they aren't 'christian' or believe in the god of the bible. Based on your reply to my comment, you can't explain this yourself. Everyone does have the opportunity to know god, but everyone didn't have the opportunity to know the christian god. It's silly to think that you have to believe in the god of the bible in order to get to 'heaven'. Like I said before, this would mean the native american indians, african tribes, etc. will be going to 'hell' because they didn't know the god of the bible. I believe 'god' is beyond religion and man made holy books. There is no one way to know 'god'. Whether, you're christian, muslim, pagan, etc. you can know 'god'.

And you haven't read the thread or you'd realise your questions are answered.

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One that does know can either accept or reject Jesus the Christ's message.

What accepts it when they die and are asked or at the moment? Like my gran shes really old not religious at all as are all my family and friends dont know anyone who is into Jesus or God obviously weve all ehard of him, because we have no interest in Jesus or God or doing whatever it is you have to do does that mean when we die well all be asked do you accept him, then you can just go yes? lol Like not as if were bad people just not into God or Jesus, actually im probably the most "religious" out of everyone I know

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What accepts it when they die and are asked or at the moment? Like my gran shes really old not religious at all as are all my family and friends dont know anyone who is into Jesus or God obviously weve all ehard of him, because we have no interest in Jesus or God or doing whatever it is you have to do does that mean when we die well all be asked do you accept him, then you can just go yes? lol Like not as if were bad people just not into God or Jesus, actually im probably the most "religious" out of everyone I know

You'd only be saying Yes with your head and not your heart if you did that and God would see through it :p

eta: Same goes for Christians - in fact we will be more severely judged. Just because one believes isn't enough, you have to repent and live life differently. Anyone can sit in church once a week and be unGodly the other 6 days.

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Some have never heard of Jesus Christ. I believe God will only judge a person on what they know, not what they don't know.

One that does know can either accept or reject Jesus the Christ's message.

Hallelujah we're finally getting there. Thank you.


:rolleyes:

Romans 12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Thank you. I was actually talking about Romans 1:20 which is a better example than this knowing him through creation but it'll do. No need for the rolly eyes btw :rolleyes:

However, you are writing this question and you know about Him.

Yes. Looks like I'm well and truly screwed then :(

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You'd only be saying Yes with your head and not your heart if you did that and God would see through it :p

eta: Same goes for Christians - in fact we will be more severely judged. Just because one believes isn't enough, you have to repent and live life differently. Anyone can sit in church once a week and be unGodly the other 6 days.


So all my friends and family are going to hell because we arent into Jesus or God? :rolleyes: I mean im not sayign when I die I wouldnt with my heart a sounds bit culty tho doesnt it? Exactly what ickes always going on about

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So all my friends and family are going to hell because we arent into Jesus or God? :rolleyes: I mean im not sayign when I die I wouldnt with my heart a sounds bit culty tho doesnt it? Exactly what ickes always going on about

LOL go back and read my last few posts. I have to go gig soon so I may not reply for a few hours. :)

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No need for the rolly eyes btw :rolleyes:

There was, actually. The only testing I need to succumb to is from God, not humans. I don't need to be correct or incorrect in the eyes of anyone else.

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And you haven't read the thread or you'd realise your questions are answered.

oh i see, since they didn't have a chance to know the biblical god they will automatically go to heaven, like babies and animals. but if you know about jesus and the bible but chose to be say 'wiccan' or something you will probably go to hell since the only way to know god is through the bible. All the other spiritual/religious/holy books are the wrong way.:rolleyes:

I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree.:)

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I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree.:)

Yes. :)

The only way to know God is through the heart, not through a book.

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Hallelujah we're finally getting there. Thank you.




Thank you. I was actually talking about Romans 1:20 which is a better example than this but it'll do. No need for the rolly eyes btw :rolleyes:



Yes. Looks like I'm well and truly screwed then :(

Well, a lot of it sort of depends on where you are at in your life's journey. I was never raised with any sort of "religion" yet I always knew God and always talked with God. But when I had an encounter with the manifestation with Christ Jesus thru my spirit, I recieved a fuller understanding of perception that the infinite God is so much bigger than I could ever imagine.

Because the Spirit of the universe fills up your spirit and you are bonding in unity with God when you ASK God to live in your HEART via the Holy Spirit.

Jesus the Christ said He fulfilled the law, all the requirements of it because he knew mankind could not do it on their own. That's why He is the fullness of God, who was in bodily form at one time on earth.

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Yes. :)

The only way to know God is through the heart, not through a book.

I agree with you there!:) You don't have to read the bible or know anything about jesus to know 'god'.

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I agree with you there!:) You don't have to read the bible or know anything about jesus to know 'god'.

Yes, but the bible is God's manual for us. I may instinctively know what a computer does but a manual tells me how not to mess up the hard drive.

At the end of the day, I'm not forcing you to believe and I don't know why non-believers assume that we're all tricking you into believing, like getting to know God personally is the equivalent of shoving you in a hot vat of oil for giggles. With God in my life I'm a better person than I was and for that I am eternally joyful that I can do things for others that I wouldn't have done before. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. :)

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I agree with you there!:) You don't have to read the bible or know anything about jesus to know 'god'.

That's the topic of this thread .....it's ALL about the HEART.

The Bible just has still retained a lot of the pure Christ's words given to His disciples, thru the Holy Spirit who wrote them down. I'm speaking particularly about the gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

But you are correct. A "book" will not "save" you. But the Living Word will give you life if you ask for it. Jesus the Christ is the Word.

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Yes, but the bible is God's manual for us. I may instinctively know what a computer does but a manual tells me how not to mess up the hard drive.

At the end of the day, I'm not forcing you to believe and I don't know why non-believers assume that we're all tricking you into believing, like getting to know God personally is the equivalent of shoving you in a hot vat of oil for giggles. With God in my life I'm a better person than I was and for that I am eternally joyful that I can do things for others that I wouldn't have done before. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. :)

ahh, so it isn't just through the heart, you have to read the bible or else you might mess up the 'hard drive', the ONLY book that comes from god. You cant use any other book as a 'manual'. You're contradicting yourself. it's ok though, we obviously have different opinions when it comes to 'god'.:)

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That's the topic of this thread .....it's ALL about the HEART.

The Bible just has still retained a lot of the pure Christ's words given to His disciples, thru the Holy Spirit who wrote them down. I'm speaking particularly about the gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

But you are correct. A "book" will not "save" you. But the Living Word will give you life if you ask for it. Jesus the Christ is the Word.

But I don't believe in the biblical jesus. Does that mean i'm not connected to 'god'? I personally don't think so.

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ahh, so it isn't just through the heart, you have to read the bible or else you might mess up the 'hard drive', the ONLY book that comes from god. You cant use any other book as a 'manual'. You're contradicting yourself. it's ok though, we obviously have different opinions when it comes to 'god'.:)

Then you don't need to keep reinforcing your belief if you're so sure, do you? ;)