The British Empire

[baron von lotsov]

Is doing just fine (isn't it?)

America is once again a fully paid up member and a British colony and so is China. You know about the opium trade don't you?

So why does Mr Icke carry on hammering Mr Bush when all he is really is the son of someone working for Her Majesty?

Can't we just cut the hype out and get to the real truth and stop reinforcing cover stories?

Now the Blair poodle stuff must stop. The Iraq war say both him and Bush visit the Queen before they got the go ahead, didn't they?

What interests has America ever had in Iraq anyway? It was the British Empire that installed Saddam in the first place in the usual bloody coup that is really how the empire expanded. It's like believing ships like the Cutty Sark were importing tea. Has anyone ever calculated the profit in tea importing? Something a bit stronger must have built the British Empire instead!

[edelweiss pirate]

You won't like this at all Baron but I was actually wishing you were here... Today in fact... I was thinking about where all the old forumers had gone... How some have been diverted to Illusions and some here... and the Baron...Where?

And now you're here....

I know you don't believe in all that reality creation stuff mate but.. well, there's something in it after all...

Anyway to reply to your post, I thought Icke made it clear that Britain and London is the centre of the Illuminati and all that.....

Bush is an easy target though you must admit.. He also appears in public more and is generally more accountable, I guess that proves that the Queen is top dog... lurking in the shadows with her Corgis of the Baskervilles...

[beetzart]

Interesting post. All here surely know that Blair, Bush are puppets. I would personally like to read more about how we are all contracted as corporations to the state, ie with respect to our birth certificates, and how US flags always have a gold edge in courts because of being tried under British Admiralty law or something. Icke does mention this but it is so hard to find more info anywhere.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes I have read snippets out of certain Icke books and they are spot on though I wish the cheap shots at these people would stop because it devalues the message. Something else is going on other than what the popular alternative media is putting out and I smell infiltration. For example I have seen them put out rubbish by such people as the American Civil Liberties Union and that is a known Tavistock thinktank. You have to be really careful as a journalist to avoid the temptation to agree with something when it is only partially right and often the wrong bit is intentional and more important and misleading in the long term.

Do you remember the logo that millions of stop the war protesters were given by certain people connected with the Stop the War Coalition? They read "Make tea not War". Interesting that, it makes me think there is a message behind the message and consistent with the policy of destroying America to usher in world socialism, aka the NWO.

[december]

So, who owned the British Empire?

It doesn't look like it was the British/English people because you just like regular Joes in any other country are looking for a job...

[baron von lotsov]

Well they ran the Bolsheviks from London if that is what you had in mind.

[baron von lotsov]

Interesting post. All here surely know that Blair, Bush are puppets. I would personally like to read more about how we are all contracted as corporations to the state, ie with respect to our birth certificates, and how US flags always have a gold edge in courts because of being tried under British Admiralty law or something. Icke does mention this but it is so hard to find more info anywhere.

Naturally what really goes on is very difficult to find out about and this is made all the more impossible when people have the wrong leads. For example if I were following the standard line I'd be looking at the PNAC and that would lead me down a blind alley.

I'm beginning to figure it out for myself these days and its gradually getting clearer. The next big thing will be the green movement and this will be pushed to more and more extreme levels to the point where it might even become a bit of a vigilante type of thing.

Icke needs to reassess a lot of stuff and get off his high horse and get back down to figuring it out. Loose generalisations are not helping either and if I were him I'd be serious about establishing some quality research. He has enough people following him who know a lot so it's time to pool resources in terms of knowledge. Each of us has a piece of the puzzle. It's quite amazing who you can meet on the internet, for instance a while back I met this woman who did a temping job at the Tavistock Institute and told her what really went on there. The reply was it didn't surprise her in the least!

[jimijams]

Interesting post Baron.. I've just recently read John Coleman's book The Conspirators Hierarchy - The Committee of 300. This book outlines a lot of what you talk of, I never realized how controlled and manipulated the drug trade is. It also talks about how the US secretary of state is appointed from the RIIA in London.
It's a highly recommended book for anybody who's in to researching the global conspiracy.
Available here.. http://hiddenmysteries.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16237

[baron von lotsov]

Interesting post Baron.. I've just recently read John Coleman's book The Conspirators Hierarchy - The Committee of 300. This book outlines a lot of what you talk of, I never realized how controlled and manipulated the drug trade is. It also talks about how the US secretary of state is appointed from the RIIA in London.
It's a highly recommended book for anybody who's in to researching the global conspiracy.
Available here.. http://hiddenmysteries.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16237

Yes I have just read it. I can't recommend it enough, talk about being well informed.

[freespark]

.....

Anyway to reply to your post, I thought Icke made it clear that Britain and London is the centre of the Illuminati and all that.....

Bush is an easy target though you must admit.. He also appears in public more and is generally more accountable, I guess that proves that the Queen is top dog... lurking in the shadows with her Corgis of the Baskervilles...

What he said....

[december]

Well they ran the Bolsheviks from London if that is what you had in mind.

Yes, baron von lotsov.
It was a family business so to say...

http://incentraleurope.radio.cz/pictures/historie/churchill_winston.jpg

WINSTON CHURCHILL ON JEWISH COMMUNISM IN EUROPE.

Video - YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html



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Benjamin Disraeli, P.M. 1874-1880

Benjamin Disraeli (1804-1880) (nicknamed "Dizzy") was an English statesman from 1837 to 1880. He was Prime Minister of England in 1868, and again from 1874 to 1880. He was England's first Jewish Prime Minister. When he was young, his father had a severe argument with his synagogue, and, as a result, baptized his children as Christians. If he hadn't been baptized, his career would have been very different (Jews were not allowed in Parliament until 1858).

His early life was a series of failures. In 1824 he lost all of his money in South African mining shares, and didn't get out of debt until middle age. He became a novelist like his father (he wrote many books throughout his life) and then decided in 1831 to enter politics. He lost as an independant radical in both 1832 and 1835, and decided he needed to affialite himself with a political party. He finally won a seat in the House of Commons in 1837 as a Conservative. His first speech was so pompous and poorly delivered that he was shouted at and forced to sit down. He uttered this famous quote: "I will sit down now, but the time will come when you will hear me." He was right; in 1846, when the Liberals repealed the Corn Laws (protective tariffs on foreign grain), he became the leader of the opposition in the House of Commons. Then he became the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He was Prime Minister for a very short time during 1868, then resigned when the Liberals won the elections.

During 1872, his very rich wife died of cancer, and all of her fortunes were inherited by her cousins. Now poorer, Disraeli decided to fully devote his life to politics. After 1872, he favored making the Conservative party clearly different from the Liberal policy. He favored social reform and a strong foreign policy, especially against Russia. One of his larger goals was to fully bring India into the British Empire.

In 1874, the Conservatives won power and Disraeli became Prime Minister again. He was old and in poor health, but a strong cabinet and a friendship with Conservative Queen Victoria convinced him to take the job. In England, he passed acts that increased political power of the unions, protected workers, and increased health care. He was also busy with foreign affairs.
In 1875, Disraeli scored a huge imperialistic victory for England when he learned of Khedive Ismail Pasha of Egypt's intent to sell his large interest in the Suez Canal to pay off debts. Even though the Foreign Office opposed it, Disraeli bought the shares using money from the Rothschild family in England until Parliament approved the purchase. Disraeli did this to secure a British-controlled passage to India. During 1876, he brought forward a bill to give Queen Victoria the title of "Empress of India." Even though many opposed it, he fought for it at her request. Around this time, she gave him the title of the Earl of Beaconsfield.

When the Russo-Turkish war broke out, Disraeli kept the British out of the war, even though the British feared for the security of India. He then represented Britain at the Congress of Berlin in 1878 after the war ended. He was friendly with Otto von Bismarck during the Congress. They discovered that they had a lot in common-among other things, they both liked Realpolitik, and didn't like Slavs. Disraeli was called "The lion of the Congress." Bismarck said this about him: "Der alte Jude, das ist der Mann." ("The old Jew, that is the man.") Disraeli was instrumental in dissolving the Three Emperors League and preventing Russian expansion in Turkey. He also secured Cypress for Britain.

There was one blight on Disraeli's record of foreign affairs. In 1877, South Africa was allied with the British. The Boers wanted protection from the Capetown colony, due to fear of the Zulus. Sir Bartle Frere, English High Commissioner for South Africa, believed South Africa could not be secure until Britain had control over all of the native tribes, and had destroyed the Zulu system. Disraeli and the rest of the cabinet, especially during the Eastern Crisis, did not want war. Disraeli was also worried because it was appearing that war with Afganistan was going to happen soon. Frere was ordered not to start war, but Frere paid no attention and antagonized the Zulus. During 1879 the Zulus attacked at Isandhlwana, and wiped out the British troops there. Disraeli ordered more troops in, and sent orders to replace one of the commanders of forces, Lord Chelmsford. He ignored orders to be replaced, conquered the Zulus, and resigned, knowing he would be in trouble. Many hailed Chelmsford as a hero, but Disraeli was very upset with him and with Frere. He did not fire them, but had people in the cabinet treat them badly. This was one of the rare times that Queen Victoria was upset with him-she thought he should either back them or fire them, not do something in between. She also thought he was being too harsh on Chelmsford.
During the elections of 1880, the Conservatives were badly defeated, but Disraeli still kept his party leadership. He died later that year, still Queen Victoria's favorite Prime Minister.

Source - Henry Ford, The International Jew, Chapter 4


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THE JEWISH-CONSPIRACY THEORY OF THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION

There is an extensive literature in English, French, and German reflecting the argument that the Bolshevik Revolution was the result of a "Jewish conspiracy"; more specifically, a conspiracy by Jewish world bankers. Generally, world control is seen as the ultimate objective; the Bolshevik Revolution was but one phase of a wider program that supposedly reflects an age-old religious struggle between Christianity and the "forces of darkness."
The argument and its variants can be found in the most surprising places and from quite surprising persons. In February 1920 Winston Churchill wrote an article — rarely cited today — for the London Illustrated Sunday Herald entitled "Zionism Versus Bolshevism." In this' article Churchill concluded that it was "particularly important... that the National Jews in every country who are loyal to the land of their adoption should come forward on every occasion . . . and take a prominent part in every measure for combatting the Bolshevik conspiracy." Churchill draws a line between "national Jews" and what he calls "international Jews." He argues that the "international and for the most atheistical Jews" certainly had a "very great" role in the creation of Bolshevism and bringing about the Russian Revolution. He asserts (contrary to fact) that with the exception of Lenin, "the majority" of the leading figures in the revolution were Jewish, and adds (also contrary to fact) that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship were excepted by the Bolsheviks from their policies of seizure. Churchill calls the international Jews a "sinister confederacy" emergent from the persecuted populations of countries where Jews have been persecuted on account of their race. Winston Churchill traces this movement back to Spartacus-Weishaupt, throws his literary net around Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxemburg, and Emma Goldman, and charges: "This world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing."
Churchill then argues that this conspiratorial Spartacus-Weishaupt group has been the mainspring of every subversive movement in the nineteenth century. While pointing out that Zionism and Bolshevism are competing for the soul of the Jewish people, Churchill (in 1920) was preoccupied with the role of the Jew in the Bolshevik Revolution and the existence of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy.
Another well-known author in the 1920s, Henry Wickham Steed describes in the second volume of his Through 30 Years 1892-1922 (p. 302) how he attempted to bring the Jewish-conspiracy concept to the attention of Colonel Edward M. House and President Woodrow Wilson. One day in March 1919 Wickham Steed called Colonel House and found him disturbed over Steed's recent criticism of U.S. recognition of the Bolsheviks. Steed pointed out to House that Wilson would be discredited among the many peoples and nations of Europe and "insisted that, unknown to him, the prime movers were Jacob Schiff, Warburg and other international financiers, who wished above all to bolster up the Jewish Bolshevists in order to secure a field for German and Jewish exploitation of Russia."1 According to Steed, Colonel House argued for the establishment of economic relations with the Soviet Union.
Probably the most superficially damning collection of documents on the Jewish conspiracy is in the State Department Decimal File (861.00/5339). The central document is one entitled "Bolshevism and Judaism," dated November 13, 1918. The text is in the form of a report, which states that the revolution in Russia was engineered "in February 1916" and "it was found that the following persons and firms were engaged in this destructive work":

(1) Jacob Schiff Jew
(2) Kuhn, Loeb & Company Jewish Firm
Management: Jacob Schiff Jew
Felix Warburg Jew
Otto H. Kahn Jew
Mortimer L. Schiff Jew
Jerome J. Hanauer Jew
(3) Guggenheim Jew
(4) Max Breitung Jew
(5) Isaac Seligman Jew
The report goes on to assert that there can be no doubt that the Russian Revolution was started and engineered by this group and that in April 1917.

Source - WALL STREET
AND THE
BOLSHEVIK
REVOLUTION
By
Antony C. Sutton


http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/appendix_02.htm

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html

[baron von lotsov]

OK, some good sources there and I'd back a lot of it but for one thing. Churchill was a part of that conspiracy as well. He was like on both sides at the same time. Wining and dining with the Stalins and the Molotovs and at the same time he was an upstanding (mainly drunk) Conservative.

[december]

OK, some good sources there and I'd back a lot of it but for one thing. Churchill was a part of that conspiracy as well.

There are managers and owners.
So, in this case Churchill was a manager, he was the inside man, which make his opinion even more valuable.
He sure knew what he was talking about:


He argues that the "international and for the most atheistical Jews" certainly had a "very great" role in the creation of Bolshevism and bringing about the Russian Revolution. He asserts (contrary to fact) that with the exception of Lenin, "the majority" of the leading figures in the revolution were Jewish, and adds (also contrary to fact) that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship were excepted by the Bolsheviks from their policies of seizure. Churchill calls the international Jews a "sinister confederacy" emergent from the persecuted populations of countries where Jews have been persecuted on account of their race. Winston Churchill traces this movement back to Spartacus-Weishaupt, throws his literary net around Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxemburg, and Emma Goldman, and charges: "This world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing."

[baron von lotsov]

Well Churchill was chosen because he was a bit thick and easily corruptible. They groom the leaders for some time and he was worked on and got involved with some quite satanic secret society occult stuff. This is how they often do it, they need to degrade someone to the point where they have no intact humanity about them and are at such a point of desperation that they are governed by their addictions. This is when they can be completely controlled and naturally completely blackmailable as well.

Sometimes this means that they make mistakes, especially since they are not party to the entire goings on in the system. Churchill would know a lot of inside stuff for certain because it is always on a need to know basis and he needed to know part of their operations. This is when we can elicite the truth but we must also take account of their brainwashing, so a certain spin gets infused with it. The reason I think this is true is because I have seen other primary documents that point to exactly the same thing, namely the involvement of Jewish bankers but as he points out there is a distinction between ordinary Jew and what was termed an 'International Jew'.

[december]

Baron von lotsov, there were many people like Churchill who were just managers.

By the way, David Icke says that father of Winston Churchill owed money to Rothschild. He owed him £50.000 if I am not mistaken.
For more information see And the Truth Shall Set You Free by David Icke.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes he had some elite family ties as well that got him to be considered in the first place. Often these leaders are failures in their life up to the point they are chosen. The Soviet leaders were even more useless, one I recall trying to be a solicitor and being considered a bit of a joke before running the entire country.

They never have to try very hard. When at Oxford they often skive off tutorials like you would just not believe but end up with degrees all the same. Interestingly nearly every subject in Oxford is a double degree. It's economics and philosophy, psychology with philosophy and so on, anything you could imagine + philosophy. A real eye opener and I was only there for a week myself. I was at Balliol college, considered to be leftwing. Not a working class person in sight!