Obe

[lostwonderer]

So what are peoples opinions on out-of-body experiences?

[red_ram]

That it's no coincidence that they're all (or mostly) so similar in theme and events.

[lostwonderer]

What about the actual projection itself? Is it the soul, hallucinations, another energy level or maybe layer of consciousness etc? What could it mean in terms of death, is there something after it?

[hirschfelder]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BgBr1pt9r44

Awesome!

[patrish]

its a kind of out of body experience from a lady who is blind

Vicki told Dr. Ring she found herself floating above her body in the emergency room of a hospital following an automobile accident. She was aware of being up near the ceiling watching a male doctor and a female nurse working on her body, which she viewed from her elevated position. Vicki has a clear recollection of how she came to the realization that this was her own body below her. The following is her experience.

I knew it was me ... I was pretty thin then. I was quite tall and thin at that point. And I recognized at first that it was a body, but I didn't even know that it was mine initially.


Then I perceived that I was up on the ceiling, and I thought, "Well, that's kind of weird. What am I doing up here?"


I thought, "Well, this must be me. Am I dead? ..."

I just briefly saw this body, and ... I knew that it was mine because I wasn't in mine.


In addition, she was able to note certain further identifying features indicating that the body she was observing was certainly her own.

I think I was wearing the plain gold band on my right ring finger and my father's wedding ring next to it. But my wedding ring I definitely saw ... That was the one I noticed the most because it's most unusual. It has orange blossoms on the corners of it.


There is something extremely remarkable and provocative about Vicki's recollection of these visual impressions, as a subsequent comment of hers implied.

"This was," she said, "the only time I could ever relate to seeing and to what light was, because I experienced it."


She then told them that following her out-of-body episode, which was very fast and fleeting, she found herself going up through the ceilings of the hospital until she was above the roof of the building itself, during which time she had a brief panoramic view of her surroundings. She felt very exhilarated during this ascension and enjoyed tremendously the freedom of movement she was experiencing. She also began to hear sublimely beautiful and exquisitely harmonious music akin to the sound of wind chimes.

With scarcely a noticeable transition, she then discovered she had been sucked head first into a tube and felt that she was being pulled up into it. The enclosure itself was dark, Vicki said, yet she was aware that she was moving toward light. As she reached the opening of the tube, the music that she had heard earlier seemed to be transformed into hymns and she then "rolled out" to find herself lying on grass.

She was surrounded by trees and flowers and a vast number of people. She was in a place of tremendous light, and the light, Vicki said, was something you could feel as well as see. Even the people she saw were bright.

Everybody there was made of light. And I was made of light. What the light conveyed was love. There was love everywhere. It was like love came from the grass, love came from the birds, love came from the trees.


Vicki then becomes aware of specific persons she knew in life who are welcoming her to this place. There are five of them. Debby and Diane were Vicki's blind schoolmates, who had died years before, at ages 11 and 6, respectively.

In life, they had both been profoundly retarded as well as blind, but here they appeared bright and beautiful, healthy and vitally alive.

And no longer children, but, as Vicki phrased it, "in their prime."

In addition, Vicki reports seeing two of her childhood caretakers, a couple named Mr. and Mrs. Zilk, both of whom had also previously died. Finally, there was Vicki's grandmother - who had essentially raised Vicki and who had died just two years before this incident. In these encounters, no actual words were exchanged, Vicki says, but only feelings - feelings of love and welcome.

In the midst of this rapture, Vicki is suddenly overcome with a sense of total knowledge.

I had a feeling like I knew everything ... and like everything made sense. I just knew that this was where ... this place was where I would find the answers to all the questions about life, and about the planets, and about God, and about everything ... It's like the place was the knowing.


As these revelations are unfolding, Vicki notices that now next to her is a figure whose radiance is far greater than the illumination of any of the persons she has so far encountered. Immediately, she recognizes this being to be Jesus. He greets her tenderly, while she conveys her excitement to him about her newfound omniscience and her joy at being there with him.

Telepathically, he communicates to her.

"Isn't it wonderful? Everything is beautiful here, and it fits together. And you'll find that. But you can't stay here now. It's not your time to be here yet and you have to go back."


Vicki reacts, understandably enough, with extreme disappointment and protests vehemently.

"No, I want to stay with you."

But the being reassures her that she will come back, but for now, she "has to go back and learn and teach more about loving and forgiving."

Still resistant, however, Vicki then learns that she also needs to go back to have her children. With that, Vicki, who was then childless but who "desperately wanted" to have children (and who has since given birth to three) becomes almost eager to return and finally consents.

However, before Vicki can leave, the being says to her, in these exact words, "But first, watch this."

And what Vicki then sees is "everything from my birth" in a complete panoramic review of her life, and as she watches, the being gently comments to help her understand the significance of her actions and their repercussions.

The last thing Vicki remembers, once the life review has been completed, are the words, "You have to leave now."

Then she experiences "a sickening thud" like a roller-coaster going backwards, and finds herself back in her body.

Such reports, replete with visual imagery, were the rule, not the exception, among Ring and Cooper's blind respondents. Altogether, 80% of their entire sample claimed some visual perception during their near-death or out-of-body encounters. Although Vicki's was unusual with respect to the degree of detail, it was hardly unique in their sample.

Sometimes the initial onset of visual perception of the physical world is disorienting and even disturbing to the blind. This was true for Vicki, for example, who said:

I had a hard time relating to it (i.e., seeing). I had a real difficult time relating to it because I've never experienced it. And it was something very foreign to me ... Let's see, how can I put it into words? It was like hearing words and not being able to understand them, but knowing that they were words. And before you'd never heard anything. But it was something new, something you'd not been able to previously attach any meaning to.

[lostwonderer]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BgBr1pt9r44

Awesome!

wow, weren't expecting that:D

[xpleet]

What about the actual projection itself? Is it the soul, hallucinations, another energy level or maybe layer of consciousness etc? What could it mean in terms of death, is there something after it?

In deep meditation or relaxation you can leave the body and go to higher realms of the virtual reality. You will realise and experience that the physical is but a joke to what really exists.

The main astral realm could be called the 4th dimension, it is where we used to reside until the astral-system (like a government) asks everyone to reincarnate again.

There's a lot of research to do about it, I suggest you go to Youtube and look up some radio interviews from people like Robert Bruce. There are also a couple of forums for astral projection and metaphysics out there, such as astral-pulse or astral-society.

[aruru]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BgBr1pt9r44

Awesome!

I really enjoyed that. Thanks for sharing, hirschfelder!

[hirschfelder]

I really enjoyed that. Thanks for sharing, hirschfelder!

I got it off someone who posted it here before, but glad to share it because it's such an awesome feeling of inner peace and happiness, a euphoric feeling, such joy I feel inside! :)

[dmt head]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BgBr1pt9r44

Awesome!

Aye thats one of the coolest things ever, some of his other vids are hilarious too :D

[jahzel]

The human being exists in EVERY dimension at the same time. When we project out of our bodies, we actually generate a body double which we then use to navigate in these realms (much the same as we navigate using our physical body in the 3rd Dimension. The physical body, contrary to popular belief, is NOT left empty. The mind is shared by the newly created body double.

We all project out of bodies during sleep. The reason we are not aware of this is simply because we have no conscious memory of the process. A conscious projection involves mind awake/body asleep.

I am familiar with these experiences because I have previously consciously projected out of my body on various different occasions.

[farros]

There's a lot of research to do about it, I suggest you go to Youtube and look up some radio interviews from people like Robert Bruce. There are also a couple of forums for astral projection and metaphysics out there, such as astral-pulse or astral-society.

Seconded, Robert Bruce is THE guy to read up on if your interested in OBE.
his website is www.astraldynamics.com and the forum is more active than astral pulse.
Reading/watching interviews is all well and good.. but the best research comes from having one yourself, again R.Bruce's work is the most comprehensive.

[lostwonderer]

What exactly is it though that project's out of our bodies during OBE's?

[rhydra]

I'm not sure what it that projects, I have had at least one and many partial ones. The most realistic one was when I was completely out, though when it happened it wasn't so much awesome but totally shocking, definately not a dream I can assure.

There have been many accounts of Buddhis monks meditating, having obes and astrally travelling who never wake up again. One can assume that whatever they find on the other side is much better than it is here.

Either that or something snatches them and they are unable to return before their body dies.

[danster82]

What exactly is it though that project's out of our bodies during OBE's?

Awareness

[whiterain]

hi ive consciously experienced one obe. the main differences i can add from the general common links between what people experience during such a trip is that some of the people i was communicating with were not just dead relatives but some very much alive ones too. seeing as the astral operates 'above' time i guess this makes sense tho. also when nearing the end i was aware of my need to come back, and unlike those who say that a spirit told them to go back, the spirits were telling me to stay with them but i told them i have to return. although sometimes i regret this! :D

[whiterain]

i would say that it is our awareness/consciousness that leaves, but for those who find it hard to visualise this check out this video on auras and how they change depending on the emotional state of the person.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1yx6PaLTKTk

crazy technology but seein it with your own eyes helps.

on this note someone really needs to get some of this kirlian photography going on while someone attempts to go out of body. that could be some proof. imagine being able to record visions! (i guess those mind reading technologies couls help with that tho). also perhaps use kirlian on someones deathbed to record any auric changes that may occur. ive read that on death a few grams can be lost so perhaps the spirit has some physical mass?

[jahzel]

The part that projects out of you is a type of energy. During the projection reflex our body double is created using stored etheric energy. When we die all of this energy is removed from the physical leaving you in complete astral existence.

Sometimes when I consciously projected I found myself looking at my body double from my bed position (Real Time sight) yet observing through my body double at the exact same time - this was incredible.

I also once viewed my body double in the mirror when I decided to go into the bathroom and noticed that I had a really confused facial expression like I was struggling to keep my eyes open during bright light.

The best thing that happened to me was what they call an 'astral wind' experience whereby I was forced out of my body instantaneously and sent flying high above through the earth's atmosphere and into space. There I could briefly see the brightly lit earth until I fell back down into my physical body.

http://www.blog.thesietch.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/earth.thumbnail.jpg

This all happened in seconds at a very high speed.

Flying is absolutely incredible. I once took a running dive through my bedroom window and flew right out into the street circling above the houses and then on to a strange hilly landscape with bright sunlight and old-fashioned looking children playing. I believe this place to be another dimension in the area near to where I live.

Sadly, my success rates are currently very limited indeed. I cannot seem to consciously project anymore. The last time I separated was during a night dweller attack. I flew at the astral critter and put on a menacing show which instantly scared it away. This by the way is an affective way to scare off unwanted guests during projection. Show no fear and imagine you are a lot bigger and a lot scarier than the critter and fly right at it - it should work. ;)