Teaching 4 yr olds about sex

[shodan]

The sickening sexualisation and peadophile agenda marches forward:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2008/oct/23/sexeducation-primaryschools

Is four too early to learn about sex?Now primary schools are going to have to teach children where babies come from. Shouldn't parents have some say?Comments (3)
A baby on a weighing scale. Photograph: Chris Carroll/Corbis

All children – from the age of four up – are going to have to learn about sex and relationships as part of the curriculum, much to the delight of sexual health charities and others.

Ministers are making personal, social, health and economic (PSHE) classes – which include sex and relationships education (SRE) – a statutory subject in all schools in England – and at all ages.

No longer will sensitive parents be able to insist their children are spared the classes at any stage. Should they be able to?

No, as far as the Sex Education Forum is concerned. It represents 50 organisations including children's and sexual-health charities as well as parents and governors' groups, and says young people, teachers and parents all support the move.

Remember this from last year?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jul/07073008.html

German Government Publication Promotes Incestuous Pedophilia as Healthy Sex Ed
Micheal O'Brien, author on crisis of culture in West, says this "German state intervention in family life is a new level of auto-destruction"

By John-Henry Westen

BERLIN, July 30, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Booklets from a subsidiary of the German government's Ministry for Family Affairs encourage parents to sexually massage their children as young as 1 to 3 years of age. Two 40-page booklets entitled "Love, Body and Playing Doctor" by the German Federal Health Education Center (Bundeszentrale für gesundheitliche Aufklärung - BZgA) are aimed at parents - the first addressing children from 1-3 and the other children from 4-6 years of age.

[killmicrosoft]

simple say no

or is this what they want???????????????

[citroen999]

this is terrible and i for one wont let my child be invoved in this shit :mad:

she is 5 years old and has enough on her mind with learning to read, adding up, understanding why her best friend is not her best friend today but will be tomorrow and other important 5yr old related stuff..

talking about reproduction and sex education at this age will not effective as most kids have butterfly minds, so whats intersting no wont be in 2 mins when the cartoons are on.

It will probably lead to some uncomfortable situations as we all know children of that age have inquisitive minds and may want to try out stuff they learn..

They learn to read and then they start reading posters and adverts out loud and you feel proud, but telling them about the fact of life and then saying "but dont go doing any of this until your old enough" is lunacy, a child wont understand..

A better method would be to teach the teenagers in a better way and help them understand as they will be more receptive and you can talk to them on a certain level.

i will go to prison before i allow my daughter to be taught this shit before she is of a sensible age and mind

[citroen999]

simple say no

or is this what they want???????????????

elaborate please

thanks

[deckard]

The NWO perversion marches on, why would a four year old kid want or need to know about sex?
Homeschooling, and if thats banned then move to a country that isnt infected with politically correct madness.
This would be the only option for me, just leave the country.

[damagedbrainn]

It won't harm them or help them. Four is simply too young to give a shit either way.

[killmicrosoft]

elaborate please

thanks


Raised to the level of the 'sordid and deviant': the paradoxical ... (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informaworld.com%2Findex%2F79 2657941.pdf&ei=p1gASZmRH4_q0QTt0v3zDA&usg=AFQjCNHpSw4XEldJPU1lWSGuxtlJLos6uw&sig2=6SYb78WiCk9NbtZGQuZ-FA)

Report - Sexualisation of children in the contemporary media (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.gov.au%2FSENATE%2Fcommitt ee%2Feca_ctte%2Fsexualisation_of_children%2Freport %2Freport.pdf&ei=p1gASZmRH4_q0QTt0v3zDA&usg=AFQjCNHCel9u1dJ6uFCqvNFZalt8zp2Rmw&sig2=QQldZ1H_VTZmt_7EycGG-w)

SENATE INQUIRY INTO THE SEXUALISATION OF CHILDREN IN THE ... (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=6&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ocsc.vic.gov.au%2Fdownloads%2 Fsubmission_senateinquiry_media_sexn_of_kids.pdf&ei=p1gASZmRH4_q0QTt0v3zDA&usg=AFQjCNE9x38a-oFXOBqS7z7wHB2ySSDRTg&sig2=5QIDB8dhZC2yrYd24ApG_Q)

Henson fracas - Art the victim of child sexualisation (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=9&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clivehamilton.net.au%2Fcms%2F media%2Fdocuments%2Farticles%2Fhenson_fracas__art_ the_victim_of_child_sexualisation.pdf&ei=p1gASZmRH4_q0QTt0v3zDA&usg=AFQjCNGIO-innkftZgIbZKc8KRRSoQGzJQ&sig2=H26FLSrGHCf9WknhHyAqEw)

Community vocal at Senate inquiry into sexualisation of children ... (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youngmedia.org.au%2Fpdf%2Fsma llscreen%2Fss-241-April.pdf&ei=p1gASZmRH4_q0QTt0v3zDA&usg=AFQjCNEFgf3-nW30teM9w5eNxc8sZC1vMg&sig2=OlvyfEoqR1ZiZtGJ-zTqEA)

Corporate Paedophilia (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=11&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tai.org.au%2Fdocuments%2Fdown loads%2FDP90.pdf&ei=QloASZz5FY2A0gTKlpz8DA&usg=AFQjCNGixTgcE4iUbZ3BxE1vC493c0xglA&sig2=YAIbNy856N4B3SZfZzHN-w)

Protecting girls from sexualisation in the media (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=12&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psychology.org.au%2FAssets%2F Files%2FMR_Sexualisation_021007.pdf&ei=QloASZz5FY2A0gTKlpz8DA&usg=AFQjCNHRJcl3z2TwLAIZvCuIjsXKTCzChA&sig2=nDXVbupYEAmyHLfAnGQC3Q)

Submission - Sexualisation of children in the contemporary media (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=14&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nswchurches.com%2FResources%2 FArticles%2FA08088_WFA_Submission_on_sexualisation _of_children_in_the_contemporary_media.pdf&ei=QloASZz5FY2A0gTKlpz8DA&usg=AFQjCNHOsIxQCOrWwJt8FODz0tSrXCVz0g&sig2=ZwT_KRGdVIjvrDtf9rO_zQ)

Media Statement 26 June 2008 Senate inquiry into sexualisation of ... (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=15&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freetv.com.au%2Fmedia%2FNews-Media_Release%2FSenate_inquiry_into_sexualisation_ of_children.pdf&ei=QloASZz5FY2A0gTKlpz8DA&usg=AFQjCNGiiRYdKhLq0wcy8k6AFcu1SeRISQ&sig2=O8cgvNCd-1D4A5lxNPTcpA)

Free TV Response to Minister’s Statement on Sexualisation of Children (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=18&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thinktv.com.au%2FMedia%2FMedi a_Releases%2F2007-0230_MED_Response_to_Ministers_Statement_on_Sexual isation_of_Children_150807.pdf&ei=QloASZz5FY2A0gTKlpz8DA&usg=AFQjCNFLe8quINUAXGe6NlZLOSaqBCbTRQ&sig2=V9oB0qFmDpVzvy8dDk3y6w)

[shodan]

It won't harm them or help them. Four is simply too young to give a shit either way.

Maybe, but its conditioning the parents and society as a whole, thats their plan by the looks of things. Pole dancing kits for pre-teenagers in supermarkets, sexy underwear for teddy bears and all that crap

[deckard]

It won't harm them or help them. Four is simply too young to give a shit either way.

It will harm them, kids take in alot more than we do, and anything taught at this age, any age under twelve, has the tendancy to always be in their heads, never forgotten, and influencing them as they grow up.

[bones]

ive already asked my children if they dont want to learn religion at school? they said no. so ill be sending a notice to the school to remove em .

ill be doing the same for my son when it comes to school, this includes sex education untill 11 yrs..

im him dad not the school..

[hunger]

It will harm them, kids take in alot more than we do, and anything taught at this age, any age under twelve, has the tendancy to always be in their heads, never forgotten, and influencing them as they grow up.

Yes, I read something a while ago (can't remember where) what we learn & are taught in first 5 years of our lives shape the rest of our lives.

This sickens me

[damagedbrainn]

It will harm them, kids take in alot more than we do, and anything taught at this age, any age under twelve, has the tendancy to always be in their heads, never forgotten, and influencing them as they grow up.

So the idea that men and women make babies by having sex will always be in their head, never be forgotten, and influence them as they grow up.

The horror?

[deckard]

Yes, I read something a while ago (can't remember where) what we learn & are taught in first 5 years of our lives shape the rest of our lives.
This sickens me

Its just wrong isnt it?
Our education system has gone completely mad.

[killmicrosoft]

So the idea that men and women make babies by having sex will always be in their head, never be forgotten, and influence them as they grow up.

The horror?

please read these articils the coment


Raised to the level of the 'sordid and deviant': the paradoxical ... (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informaworld.com%2Findex%2F79 2657941.pdf&ei=p1gASZmRH4_q0QTt0v3zDA&usg=AFQjCNHpSw4XEldJPU1lWSGuxtlJLos6uw&sig2=6SYb78WiCk9NbtZGQuZ-FA)

Report - Sexualisation of children in the contemporary media (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.gov.au%2FSENATE%2Fcommitt ee%2Feca_ctte%2Fsexualisation_of_children%2Freport %2Freport.pdf&ei=p1gASZmRH4_q0QTt0v3zDA&usg=AFQjCNHCel9u1dJ6uFCqvNFZalt8zp2Rmw&sig2=QQldZ1H_VTZmt_7EycGG-w)

SENATE INQUIRY INTO THE SEXUALISATION OF CHILDREN IN THE ... (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=6&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ocsc.vic.gov.au%2Fdownloads%2 Fsubmission_senateinquiry_media_sexn_of_kids.pdf&ei=p1gASZmRH4_q0QTt0v3zDA&usg=AFQjCNE9x38a-oFXOBqS7z7wHB2ySSDRTg&sig2=5QIDB8dhZC2yrYd24ApG_Q)

Henson fracas - Art the victim of child sexualisation (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=9&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clivehamilton.net.au%2Fcms%2F media%2Fdocuments%2Farticles%2Fhenson_fracas__art_ the_victim_of_child_sexualisation.pdf&ei=p1gASZmRH4_q0QTt0v3zDA&usg=AFQjCNGIO-innkftZgIbZKc8KRRSoQGzJQ&sig2=H26FLSrGHCf9WknhHyAqEw)

Community vocal at Senate inquiry into sexualisation of children ... (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youngmedia.org.au%2Fpdf%2Fsma llscreen%2Fss-241-April.pdf&ei=p1gASZmRH4_q0QTt0v3zDA&usg=AFQjCNEFgf3-nW30teM9w5eNxc8sZC1vMg&sig2=OlvyfEoqR1ZiZtGJ-zTqEA)

Corporate Paedophilia (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=11&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tai.org.au%2Fdocuments%2Fdown loads%2FDP90.pdf&ei=QloASZz5FY2A0gTKlpz8DA&usg=AFQjCNGixTgcE4iUbZ3BxE1vC493c0xglA&sig2=YAIbNy856N4B3SZfZzHN-w)

Protecting girls from sexualisation in the media (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=12&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psychology.org.au%2FAssets%2F Files%2FMR_Sexualisation_021007.pdf&ei=QloASZz5FY2A0gTKlpz8DA&usg=AFQjCNHRJcl3z2TwLAIZvCuIjsXKTCzChA&sig2=nDXVbupYEAmyHLfAnGQC3Q)

Submission - Sexualisation of children in the contemporary media (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=14&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nswchurches.com%2FResources%2 FArticles%2FA08088_WFA_Submission_on_sexualisation _of_children_in_the_contemporary_media.pdf&ei=QloASZz5FY2A0gTKlpz8DA&usg=AFQjCNHOsIxQCOrWwJt8FODz0tSrXCVz0g&sig2=ZwT_KRGdVIjvrDtf9rO_zQ)

Media Statement 26 June 2008 Senate inquiry into sexualisation of ... (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=15&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freetv.com.au%2Fmedia%2FNews-Media_Release%2FSenate_inquiry_into_sexualisation_ of_children.pdf&ei=QloASZz5FY2A0gTKlpz8DA&usg=AFQjCNGiiRYdKhLq0wcy8k6AFcu1SeRISQ&sig2=O8cgvNCd-1D4A5lxNPTcpA)

Free TV Response to Minister’s Statement on Sexualisation of Children (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=18&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thinktv.com.au%2FMedia%2FMedi a_Releases%2F2007-0230_MED_Response_to_Ministers_Statement_on_Sexual isation_of_Children_150807.pdf&ei=QloASZz5FY2A0gTKlpz8DA&usg=AFQjCNFLe8quINUAXGe6NlZLOSaqBCbTRQ&sig2=V9oB0qFmDpVzvy8dDk3y6w)

[deckard]

So the idea that men and women make babies by having sex will always be in their head, never be forgotten, and influence them as they grow up.
The horror?

So you approve of 4 year olds being taught about sex then?

[goldenratio]

more nanny state meddling,
what happenned to just being a kid for f*ck sake!

UK worst in europe for teen pregnancy, wonder if people in other countries get the same level of state assistance (somewhere to live, rent,benefits etc etc)?

not being sarcastic, would genuinely like to know

[killmicrosoft]

The Australia Institute
The risks to children of premature sexualisation

Firstly, many studies have linked exposure to the ideal ‘slim, toned’ body type that is
considered sexy for adults to the development of eating disorders in older children and
teenagers.

There is already some evidence that children in Australia are developing
eating disorders at a younger age than previously. Even a ‘mild’ eating disorder can
have significant effects on a child’s physical health.

The idea that increased emphasis on
body image for children might be helpful in the context of significant increases in
childhood obesity is misguided, since negative motivations stemming from a sense of
inadequacy can be very counterproductive. Positive motivations like self-acceptance are
more effective in the promotion of healthy living.


Secondly, the sexualisation of children has psychological implications, although they
have not yet been fully researched. Studies have shown that exposure to ‘appearance-
focused media’ increases body dissatisfaction among children.

Apart from contributing
to the development of eating disorders, this may have further effects that are not yet
fully understood. For example, it is widely recognised that body image concerns are a
barrier to teenage girls’ participation in sporting activities.

It is possible that as younger
girls develop higher body dissatisfaction, this barrier may also affect their participation.
Psychologists have also noted that, given that precocious sexual behaviour is an
attention-getting strategy used by some older children and young teenagers, the general
sexualisation of children may escalate the level of sexual behaviour necessary to attract
attention. It has also been observed that premature sexualisation can lead to other
aspects of child development being neglected; if large amounts of time, money and
mental energy are devoted to appearance this will distract from other developmental
activities, be they physical, intellectual or artistic.

Two specifically sexual risks follow from the sexualisation of children, which reduces
the sexual distinction between children and adults.

Firstly, children may be encouraged to initiate sexual behaviour at an earlier age, well
before they have full knowledge of the potential consequences. Earlier sexual activity in
teenagers is linked to a higher incidence of unwanted sex (particularly for teenage girls)
and to increasing potential to contract sexually transmitted infections. Both unwanted
sex and sexually transmitted infections can have serious long-term consequences.

Secondly, because sex is widely represented in advertising and marketing as something
that fascinates and delights adults, the sexualisation of children could play a role in
‘grooming’ children for paedophiles – preparing children for sexual interaction with
older teenagers or adults.

This is of particular concern with respect to the girls’
magazines, which actively encourage girls of primary school age to have crushes on
adult male celebrities. At the same time, the representation of children as miniature
adults playing adult sexual roles sends a message to paedophiles that, contrary to laws
and ethical norms, children are sexually available.

There has as yet been no sustained public debate about the sexualisation of children in
Australia. This paper provides a framework for analysis of the issue in order to bring the
phenomenon of corporate paedophilia and the risks it entails for children, to public
attention. Although solutions are not straightforward, in the absence of any public
debate the trend towards increasing sexualisation of children by advertisers and
marketers appears likely to continue, with associated risks for children.

A forthcoming Australia Institute Discussion Paper will offer a range of policy
measures that could reduce the risk of harm to children based on an assessment of the
current regulatory frameworks covering the major sources of children’s sexualisation –
advertising, girls’ magazines and television program.

[damagedbrainn]

Maybe, but its conditioning the parents and society as a whole, thats their plan by the looks of things. Pole dancing kits for pre-teenagers in supermarkets, sexy underwear for teddy bears and all that crap

Pole dancing kits for pre-teen girls is pretty disgusting for reasons that have less to do with sexuality and more the warped message it sends to girls about what being a woman involves....Then again, I feel the same way about cheerleading. Though I've never heard of these kits before, let alone ever seen one, so it doesn't that they're much in demand.

Sexy underwear on teddy bears? That sounds like something which may be more in the eye of the beholder than anything else, but I could be wrong since I've never seen it. I think sexy underwear on dolls would be way more of an influence though, at least on girls. Sexy underwear on a teddy bear would do what? Make a child grow up sexually attracted to bears?

[damagedbrainn]

more nanny state meddling,
what happenned to just being a kid for f*ck sake!

UK worst in europe for teen pregnancy, wonder if people in other countries get the same level of state assistance (somewhere to live, rent,benefits etc etc)?

not being sarcastic, would genuinely like to know

Yeah, where I live, single mothers are given similar benefits, depending on their income. Mothers and fathers can also get the same benefits, though their combined income is usually higher.

What's the matter with that?

[deckard]

Sexy underwear on teddy bears? That sounds like something which may be more in the eye of the beholder than anything else, but I could be wrong since I've never seen it. I think sexy underwear on dolls would be way more of an influence though, at least on girls. Sexy underwear on a teddy bear would do what? Make a child grow up sexually attracted to bears?

You just dont get it do you?
They are sexualising kids in anyway possible now, putting the imagery into their heads where ever they can, on their toys, on their bears, do you understand?

[hunger]

Its just wrong isnt it?
Our education system has gone completely mad.

What makes me mad about things like this is thousands of people in authority/education didn't all suddenly think the same thought at the same time "lets teach 4 year old's about sex!" we need to re-trace back to which one person or small group of people came up with this stupid bloody idea & have them committed! or at least questioned publicly...who the hell do they think they are?! oh yeah I forgot... they worship hell & they think they are our masters...
:mad:

"I want you to go to your window & shout I'm mad as hell & I'm not gonna take it anymore!" - Network

[deckard]

So you approve of 4 year olds being taught about sex then?

for dammagedbrain again.

[damagedbrainn]

So you approve of 4 year olds being taught about sex then?

Not really, but only because it seems like a waste of time, because, like I said, I can't imagine a four year old caring much about it.

They should conduct some sort of study or survey to determine at what average age children begin asking about sex, then begin some sort of rudimentary sex education then. If a child is old enough to ask about it, then they're old enough for the answer. Not answering their questions won't stop their curiousity nor stop them from thinking about it; and failing to answer their questions will only drive them to seek out the answers on their own, possibly from each other, but much more likely from pop-media and/or pornography.

[deckard]

What makes me mad about things like this is thousands of people in authority/education didn't all suddenly think the same thought at the same time "lets teach 4 year old's about sex!" we need to re-trace back to which one person or small group of people came up with this stupid bloody idea & have them committed! or at least questioned publicly...who the hell do they think they are?! oh yeah I forgot... they worship hell & they think they are our masters...
:mad:
"I want you to go to your window & shout I'm mad as hell & I'm not gonna take it anymore!" - Network

Try feminist lesbian organisations like NOW and GLSEN for that, they have been carrying out all kinds of things on kids in their teen years for ages, now they have moved down to primary school with it.
Its all about being openminded for them.
This kind of perverted garbage is being thrust at us in the movies now, especially comedies more than ever.
I just saw the latest Simon Pegg movie, in it a transgender person exposes its penis to two young girls around the age of 5-8.
The message is being promoted everywhere, this is alright, nothing wrong here, be openminded etc.
Is it any wonder Islamic countrys consider the west, particuarly America and Britain, as completely evil?

[shodan]

Full article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-412195/Tesco-condemned-selling-pole-dancing-toy.html

Tesco condemned for selling pole dancing toy
by COLIN FERNANDEZ
Last updated at 23:13 24 October 2006

Comments (51) Add to My Stories Mother of two Karen Gallimore was searching for Christmas gifts for her two daughters, Laura 10, and Sarah, 11, when she came across the 'toy'
Tesco has been forced to remove a pole-dancing kit from the toys and games section of its website after it was accused of "destroying children's innocence".
The Tesco Direct site advertises the kit with the words, "Unleash the sex kitten inside...simply extend the Peekaboo pole inside the tube, slip on the sexy tunes and away you go!
"Soon you'll be flaunting it to the world and earning a fortune in Peekaboo Dance Dollars".
The £49.97 kit comprises a chrome pole extendible to 8ft 6ins, a 'sexy dance garter' and a DVD demonstrating suggestive dance moves.
The kit, condemned as 'extremely dangerous' by family campaigners yesterday, was discovered by mother of two Karen Gallimore who was searching for Christmas gifts for her two daughters, Laura 10, and Sarah, 11.
Mrs Gallimore, 33, of Ellesmere Port, Cheshire, said yesterday: "I'm no prude, but any children can go on there and see it. It's just not on."

[citroen999]

if teaching 4 year olds was the right thing to do, we would be doing as parents already and wouldnt need a fucking stupid cunt in the government to make it compulsory. :mad::mad: there isnt even any choice in the matter

if it was the right thing to do then we would have done it for the last few decades but guess what??, we dont so its obviousley not the right thing to do..

[goldenratio]

Yeah, where I live, single mothers are given similar benefits, depending on their income. Mothers and fathers can also get the same benefits, though their combined income is usually higher.

What's the matter with that?

:)easy there:)

Im not saying there is anything wrong with it, I was just asking for information

I was wondering if the high percentage of young single mothers in the UK might be more to do with the incentive package offered by the UK Government rather than how old kids are taught about sex by the nanny state

I accept theres probably a million other contributing social factors, I was asking for information to decide if this was a major reason

I still think Kids should be allowed to be kids, theres too much shit in the world already, theyll get to see plenty of it when theyre adults

:cool:

[deckard]

Not really, but only because it seems like a waste of time, because, like I said, I can't imagine a four year old caring much about it.
They should conduct some sort of study or survey to determine at what average age children begin asking about sex, then begin some sort of rudimentary sex education then. If a child is old enough to ask about it, then they're old enough for the answer. Not answering their questions won't stop their curiousity nor stop them from thinking about it; and failing to answer their questions will only drive them to seek out the answers on their own, possibly from each other, but much more likely from pop-media and/or pornography.

It is a waste of time, kids are more interested in finding out about friendship, not sexual relations, they are not ready for that.
I wouldnt tell a kid anything about sex, its fine for them to be curious, but it would be odd and uncomfortable for me to sit down and go into great detail about things like errections and semen entering vaginas etc

[citroen999]

Not really, but only because it seems like a waste of time, because, like I said, I can't imagine a four year old caring much about it.



some will care and it will affect them, and if it affects one 4 year old its one too many..

they will be curious and they dont really need to know..

[killmicrosoft]

INESCAPABLE media images of sexed-up girls and womenposing as adolescents can cause
psychological and even physical harm to adolescents and young women, a study has found.

The pressure of what experts call "sexualisation" can lead to depression, eating disorders, andpoor
academic performance, said the report, released by the American Psychological Association.

"Sexualisation of girls is a broad and increasing problem and is harmful to girls," it said.

Adult women dressed as school girls in music videos, bikini-clad dolls in hot tubs, and sexually-
charged advertisements featuring teenagers were among the many examples cited.

Such omnipresent images - on television and the internet, in movies and magazines - could also
have a negative effect on a young girl's sexual development, the study said.
Based on a comprehensive review of academic literature, the 66-page report noted that young
adolescents and girls were particularly at risk "because their sense of self is still being formed".

School performance can also suffer. In one experiment cited, college-aged women were asked to
try on and evaluate either a swimsuit or a sweater. While they waited for 10 minutes while wearing
the garment, they completed a math test.

"The results revealed that young women in swimsuits performed significantly worse ... than those
wearing sweaters. No difference were found for young men."

The study, which includes numerous recommendations for concerned parents, coincides with a
growing wave of public concern about the impact of highly sexed imagery.
The fashion world has been in turmoil since public authorities in Madrid banned under-weight and
under-age models from catwalks last year.

The Italian government and two top fashion associations followed suit, signing a code of ethics in
December after top Brazilian model Ana Carolina Reston died of heart failure weighing only 40kg.

In France, Health Minister Xavier Bertrand, concerned about the rise of eating disorders such as
anorexia and bulimia, recently asked a panel of experts to create a similar voluntary code for
advertisers and clothing designers on how the female body should be portrayed.

The US study said sexualisation occurs when "a person's value comes only from his or her sexual
appeal or behaviour", when sexuality is inappropriately imposed, or when a person is sexually
"objectified".

Looking at popular music videos, the authors quoted songs by the Pussycat Dolls

your girlfriend was hot like me?), Kid Rock (So blow me bitch I don't rock for cancer, I rock for the
cash and the topless dancers), and 50 Cent (I tell the hos (whores) all the time, Bitch get in my car).

The report said that "sexualisation of women is particularly prominent in advertising" and singledout
beer commercials as a major offender.

Also cited was a Skechers shoe ad that features pop singer Christina Aguilera dressed as a
schoolgirl in pigtails, with her shirt unbuttoned while licking a lollipop.
The popular Bratz dolls, the study said, depict "girls marketed in bikinis, sitting in a hot tub, mixing
drinks, and standing around, while the 'Boyz' play guitar and stand with their surf boards".

The dolls come dressed in miniskirts, fishnet stockings, and feather boas.
The report called on parents to take a more active roll in helping to shape the sexual self-image of
their children, and to exert consumer pressure on manufacturers and advertisers.

In the US, the sexualisation of young girls became an issue of public debate after the 1996 murder
of JonBenet Ramsey, a six-year old beauty pageant contestant who put on make-up and adult

[deckard]

Full article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-412195/Tesco-condemned-selling-pole-dancing-toy.html

Any parent who buys there kid a pole dancing toy, has some serious problems.

[hunger]

Full article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-412195/Tesco-condemned-selling-pole-dancing-toy.html

WTF!! When this was mentioned earlier, I thought someone was joking about how bad things could get! :eek:

Planet earth truly is the lunatic asylum of the universe...

[citroen999]

ok.. so the education is coming..

but where can i find out how and when? i want as much amunition as poosible for when i meet my childs headmistress. Will there be some white paper on it regarding the actual lesson content and actual ages it will be taught to?

any links to the correct govenment info will be appreciated

[godspeed]

here's a lesson for the pc mob rule shit..let the kids have thier childhood ffs.

[and justice for all]

If you’re a parent and you send your kids to school, handing them over to the state for their “education” you’re out of your brains - period. Sadly the ones suffering and paying the consequences for the inadequacies of their parents, are like always... the children.

[jhado]

[QUOTE=hunger;578455]What makes me mad about things like this is thousands of people in authority/education didn't all suddenly think the same thought at the same time "lets teach 4 year old's about sex!" we need to re-trace back to which one person or small group of people came up with this stupid bloody idea & have them committed! or at least questioned publicly...who the hell do they think they are?!

Common Purpose? their agenda seems to be to totally fuck up everything
we hold sacred.

[shodan]

[QUOTE=hunger;578455]What makes me mad about things like this is thousands of people in authority/education didn't all suddenly think the same thought at the same time "lets teach 4 year old's about sex!" we need to re-trace back to which one person or small group of people came up with this stupid bloody idea & have them committed! or at least questioned publicly...who the hell do they think they are?!

Common Purpose? their agenda seems to be to totally fuck up everything
we hold sacred.

It wouldn't suprise me one bit if its common purpose. Deluded fools that they are.

[hunger]

[QUOTE=jhado;578554]

It wouldn't suprise me one bit if its common purpose. Deluded fools that they are.

Just took this quote from wiki:

Notable comments

* "Young people have so much to offer to society. Common Purpose has recognised this through their leadership development programmes and award schemes that develop and celebrate the potential of young people. The more active, informed young people there are making a positive contribution to their local schools and communities." - Zenna Atkins, Chair of OFSTED

What do they have to offer? their bodies? sick fucks

[supertzar]

There is nothing harmful about understanding sexual reproduction at any age. I don't think any school is going to do it the right way, though. It is something for parents to explain to their own kids.

Throughout my daughter's life I have been frank about sexuality when the issue presents itself. She simply accepts information about reproduction as natural and no big deal. I think it retards a human being's development for their parents to pretend that sexuality does not exist. Furthermore, it allows for the system to control what they know and how they know it, as we see here.

[killmicrosoft]

all files to do with this subject will be put here for your convenence (most pdf)

http://www.google.co.uk/notebook/public/11173623637262055201/BDR96QgoQ1_vLzdIj?hl=en

[damagedbrainn]

some will care and it will affect them, and if it affects one 4 year old its one too many..

they will be curious and they dont really need to know..

The extent of a four year old's curiosity is more like "Why don't girls have a penis?" Simple shit like that, which can be given a simple answer.

Fear is a very exaggerating emotion, and in the West, there's more fear surrounding sex than anything else...even violence and death. If a child were to ask you about death, would you tell them that there's no such thing? Would you just give them no answer at all? What if they ask you about war? Or murder? Are those things less harmful than sex?

I'm sure this is all very sick and scary to you, but the reason you're paranoid about sex is because, like most people, you were raised to be. To me, wanting to continue to pass that same paranoia onto your children seems sick.

[citroen999]

The extent of a four year old's curiosity is more like "Why don't girls have a penis?" Simple shit like that, which can be given a simple answer.


correct a simple answer is all that is needed, you dont need to go into the process and what actually happens with a 4 year old.


Why don't girls have a penis?"

the answer to this question regarding a 4 year old is not sex eduaction, its sex diversion as it has no part of the childs life at that stage..

[ennui]

Schools Minister Jim Knight: "We are not suggesting that five and six-year-olds should be taught sex. What we are saying is we need to improve in particular the relationship education, improve the moral framework and moral understanding around which we then talk about sex later on in a child's education."

Relationship education? :confused:

[damagedbrainn]

It is a waste of time, kids are more interested in finding out about friendship, not sexual relations, they are not ready for that.
I wouldnt tell a kid anything about sex, its fine for them to be curious, but it would be odd and uncomfortable for me to sit down and go into great detail about things like errections and semen entering vaginas etc

No, kids are curious about sex just as they're curious about everything. You're just mistaking that curiosity for an actual sex drive. The way you look at it isn't necessarily the way they look at it. A kid may poke a dead animal with a stick, but that doesn't mean they've developed a desire to kill. A kid may play fight, even with toy guns, but when they really get hurt they cry and run to their mom. It's silly to assume that a kid hearing about sex will make them go and have it just like teenagers and adults do....at worst, they might play "doctor", which a lot kids already do anyway. You can't impose your adult perspective onto a child's and expect it to be accurate.

There's nothing wrong with feeling uncomfortable about it. I do too. It's just how most people are raised. Shit, a lot of adults get uncomfortable when talking about sex with other adults.

One time my 8 year old niece kept asking me over and over again, "What's a period?" and I kept telling her, "Ask your mother" or "That dot at the end of a sentence." Turns out she already knew what it was and she was just fucking with me because she knew it made me uncomfortable. Kids aren't as stupid and sheltered as a lot of adults apparently wish they were.

[deckard]

I think it retards a human being's development for their parents to pretend that sexuality does not exist.

Dont you think four, is a bit young to be pushing detailed and graphic sex ed?
Do you think kids development will be retarded for not having access to this information at such a young age?

[tracker]

The sickening sexualisation and peadophile agenda marches forward:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2008/oct/23/sexeducation-primaryschools



Remember this from last year?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jul/07073008.html

i saw the news clip and they said 5 years old , either way 4 or 5 is totally sick .

i refuse to help pedos make it lawfull to sexualise my 6 year old child .

how fucking pedo are they ?

teaching 5 year olds sex .

what abunch of pedos !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as if they need that in their minds or that they will be active by 6 or 7 ?
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !

what a crazy bunch of pedos we have running this system !:mad:

[tracker]

i saw the news clip and they said 5 years old , either way 4 or 5 is totally sick .

i refuse to help pedos make it lawfull to sexualise my 6 year old child .

how fucking pedo are they ?

teaching 5 year olds sex .

what abunch of pedos !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as if they need that in their minds or that they will be active by 6 or 7 ?
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !

what a crazy bunch of pedos we have running this system !:mad:

decard is right , it will also make our childrens mind slow and numb .

what a bunch of


peodophiles !

[sukyspook]

So the idea that men and women make babies by having sex will always be in their head, never be forgotten, and influence them as they grow up.

The horror?

The theft of innocence - this is pure, pure evil. Children of 5 do not need to become sexually aware until at least their teens. These days, our children in secondary schools are constantly indoctrinated about sex, drugs, alcohol, crime, violence and now suicide and death.

The liberalisation of 'culture' is part of the same satanic agenda.

When I first heard this proposal a couple of weeks ago, I immediately thought of this Bible passage:

Corinthians 11:13-15 (KJV)

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=54&chapter=11&verse=13&end_verse=15&version=9&context=context

And of course, for those who don't yet 'get it' that this is fundamentally a spiritual battle by what is best described as the 'synagogue of satan' for their master satan:

"The greatest trick the devil ever plays is convincing us he doesn't exist"

Just because satan's little helpers can be described as a 'synagogue' doesn't mean that his 'helpers' are merely zionist Jews.....his 'helpers' span the spectrum of what we call the 'illuminati/new world odour' as most of us know.

Britney Spears, Disney protege and 'tool' was extremely useful in sexualising young children on behalf of the satanic 'elite'....one minute dress her as a schoolgirl to attract young girls and also so that adult males so inclined can 'perve' over her and the next, as in her latest single is pure sex, bordering on the pornographic, showing side shots of her posing naked.....despicable.

The tiny children who began to follow Britney's schoolgirl image are still imitating her.......and she now a mother herself - of sorts.....I despair for humanity.

But of course, in Crowley's (and the like) liberalised society: "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - people like me are seen as prudish, old fashioned and just plain boring. I call it having morals.

Let our children BE children for as long as they can.

If we don't - satan will have one more success under his belt and WE will be guilty too by association.

[dangermouse]

sounds horrible to me ...

completely insane

[tracker]

sounds horrible to me ...

completely insane

imagine if you wanted to aproach a police man or county judge to say

hi dude , im going to teach my 5 year old sex education ,

ie
tell them about sex , show them how its done .

you would be arrested for some real serious shit .

and so should the people who planned this fucking pedos system !
they should be arrested , and thrown into jail and put on the sex offenders register as child preditors .

but noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !
because they have a suit and tie the big picture is missed and every one forgets what the bloody hell they are saying .

ffs , these peodophiles hsould be locked up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[deckard]

No, kids are curious about sex just as they're curious about everything. You're just mistaking that curiosity for an actual sex drive. The way you look at it isn't necessarily the way they look at it. A kid may poke a dead animal with a stick, but that doesn't mean they've developed a desire to kill. A kid may play fight, even with toy guns, but when they really get hurt they cry and run to their mom. It's silly to assume that a kid hearing about sex will make them go and have it just like teenagers and adults do....at worst, they might play "doctor", which a lot kids already do anyway. You can't impose your adult perspective onto a child's and expect it to be accurate.
There's nothing wrong with feeling uncomfortable about it. I do too. It's just how most people are raised. Shit, a lot of adults get uncomfortable when talking about sex with other adults.

Im not mistaking anything in that for a sex drive, maybe thats the main reason here why its so morally wrong, to teach young children about sex in the first place.
I think the world has managed fine up to now, to be able to reproduce without any confusion.
Just let the kids be kids, innocence is a very important part of a persons development when their young, and thats what the NWO is now trying to take away, if you support this, you are helping them.

[tracker]

Im not mistaking anything in that for a sex drive, maybe thats the main reason here why its so morally wrong, to teach young children about sex in the first place.
I think the world has managed fine up to now, to be able to reproduce without any confusion.
Just let the kids be kids, innocence is a very important part of a persons development when their young, and thats what the NWO is now trying to take away, if you support this, you are helping them.

yes and let those pedos face jail and name and shame !

[mushroombot]

elaborate please

thanks

Not finished the thread yet so question may have been answered - its to provoke a reaction from the masses. They have been poking and prodding us now for a good while, courtesy of mainstream media. They want the uprising so the military can get their toys out against us. May sound far fetched but I'm sure theres quite a few that share this belief. I for one will be phoning round local schools to check who is implementing this policy and will be saying No No NO!! I urge everyone to do the same. I shall report back with updates on school responses - Not bothering with email. I wouldnt bother with local press as they are in on it (common purpose). Refuse to take children to school, national strike for gods sake.

Fucking facist motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry about that)

[tracker]

Not finished the thread yet so question may have been answered - its to provoke a reaction from the masses. They have been poking and prodding us now for a good while, courtesy of mainstream media. They want the uprising so the military can get their toys out against us. May sound far fetched but I'm sure theres quite a few that share this belief. I for one will be phoning round local schools to check who is implementing this policy and will be saying No No NO!! I urge everyone to do the same. I shall report back with updates on school responses - Not bothering with email. I wouldnt bother with local press as they are in on it (common purpose). Refuse to take children to school, national strike for gods sake.

Fucking facist motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry about that)

you are right about the reaction army thing , well done , none the less


facts remain.

to have this in mind makes them peodophiles !

[deckard]

Britney Spears, Disney protege and 'tool' was extremely useful in sexualising young children on behalf of the satanic 'elite'....one minute dress her as a schoolgirl to attract young girls and also so that adult males so inclined can 'perve' over her and the next, as in her latest single is pure sex, bordering on the pornographic, showing side shots of her posing naked.....despicable.
The tiny children who began to follow Britney's schoolgirl image are still imitating her.......and she now a mother herself - of sorts.....I despair for humanity.


I believe this is a big part of the reason poor Britany lost it, she began to see what she was doing was evil, also the lesbian act she performed before half the planets population with satans main publicity whore Madonna, to help promote gay acts as normal probably screwed her head up as well.
What really sickened me about the whole inncident, was the same people cheering her on acting the slut, were probably the same ones kicking her on the ground when she lost her mind.

[deckard]

yes and let those pedos face jail and name and shame !

Unfortunately tracker, pedos and other perverts are very high up in the NWO, in my country the law protects them, and even moves them to safe houses near a school zone, the west is sick, and has been since the liberals began pushing satans NWO agenda on us regarding male and female roles, sex ed, gender wars etc in the sixties, its time we acknowleged that.

[damagedbrainn]

Dont you think four, is a bit young to be pushing detailed and graphic sex ed?
Do you think kids development will be retarded for not having access to this information at such a young age?

You seem to keep overlooking the fact that I don't think it much matters either way, at least when it comes to four year olds. I don't think hearing about sex would damage them. Graphic descriptions....maybe, it would at least gross them out if not frighten them a little.....but I don't see any indication that anyone's talking about graphic descriptions. I mean, do you think they're going to teach kids the various positions of the Kama Sutra or something? "Now today Children, we shall continue our lecture on the Dirty Sanchez!" Like I said, fear tends to exaggerate things.

I also don't think that sex education should be forced against the parents consent either. If a parent doesn't want them participating in it, then they shouldn't have to. Parents should be able to raise their kids how they want even if it is silly and superstitious, as long as no significant harm is being done.

[damagedbrainn]

yes and let those pedos face jail and name and shame !

People who constantly have pedophiles on their mind are creepy. No offense.

[endlessvista]

Maybe, but its conditioning the parents and society as a whole, thats their plan by the looks of things. Pole dancing kits for pre-teenagers in supermarkets, sexy underwear for teddy bears and all that crap

That's it I think. After a while the dumb parents will think it is "cute" and "adorable" that little Mary is dressed like a lil whore.

There was one woman on another group who is a school teacher in Canada and they kids had fancy dress up day and she was saying parents dressed their toddlers up as Lil Pimp, Lil Ho and the kid that won was a 5 year in a grey suit with a pony tail, breif case, mobile phone and sunglasses who opened the suitcase up and took out bags of flour meant to be cocaine. Wee toy 9mm under his jacket. All the parents and the teachers thought it was so sweet and Lil Dealer won. Even though the teachers had been issued with information on drug education the week before. Now you know were the sick fucks who adore Gerry and Kate McCann come from. A whole sway of respectable middle class society is so deranged and stupid and they are raising their children this way without thinking.

It's sick out there and getting sicker folks.

[damagedbrainn]

Im not mistaking anything in that for a sex drive, maybe thats the main reason here why its so morally wrong, to teach young children about sex in the first place.
I think the world has managed fine up to now, to be able to reproduce without any confusion.
Just let the kids be kids, innocence is a very important part of a persons development when their young, and thats what the NWO is now trying to take away, if you support this, you are helping them.

If a child asks you a question about sex, then that proves that they were thinking about it, and that's part of a kid being a kid. You just naively assume that they think about it for the exact same reasons that you think about it. Nothing looks to a child the same way that it does to an adult, and sex is no exception. To put it bluntly, a child expressing a curiosity about sex doesn't mean they're horny. And frankly, it's a tad deranged that so many adults interpret it that way. You just have an indoctrinated ideal of "innocence" which is nothing more than an idealized fairy-tale anyway.

You also have a very idealized and naive view of the past. Girls were often married off as young as 13 years old, pregnant shortly after, and it was not uncommon for them to die in childbirth. Children learning sex from horny, predatory adults was also not all that uncommon. This image you have in your head of some passed Christian "Golden Age" never actually existed.

[mushroombot]

If a child asks you a question about sex, then that proves that they were thinking about it, and that's part of a kid being a kid. You just naively assume that they think about it for the exact same reasons that you think about it. Nothing looks to a child the same way that it does to an adult, and sex is no exception. To put it bluntly, a child expressing a curiosity about sex doesn't mean they're horny. And frankly, it's a tad deranged that so many adults interpret it that way. You just have an indoctrinated ideal of "innocence" which is nothing more than an idealized fairy-tale anyway.

You also have a very idealized and naive view of the past. Girls were often married off as young as 13 years old, pregnant shortly after, and it was not uncommon for them to die in childbirth. Children learning sex from horny, predatory adults was also not all that uncommon. This image you have in your head of some passed Christian "Golden Age" never actually existed.

:eek:

[damagedbrainn]

Full article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-412195/Tesco-condemned-selling-pole-dancing-toy.html

That's just deranged. No offense to any Brits, but whenever I think that America's indoctrination of women is fucked, I can always rely on Britain for some perspective.

And Japan.

[deckard]

You seem to keep overlooking the fact that I don't think it much matters either way, at least when it comes to four year olds. I don't think hearing about sex would damage them. Graphic descriptions....maybe, it would at least gross them out if not frighten them a little.....but I don't see any indication that anyone's talking about graphic descriptions. I mean, do you think they're going to teach kids the various positions of the Kama Sutra or something? "Now today Children, we shall continue our lecture on the Dirty Sanchez!" Like I said, fear tends to exaggerate things.
I also don't think that sex education should be forced against the parents consent either. If a parent doesn't want them participating in it, then they shouldn't have to. Parents should be able to raise their kids how they want even if it is silly and superstitious, as long as no significant harm is being done.

Dont be surprised if they do damagedbrain, I wouldnt put anything past what the NWO is capable of, the main part of the sex ed, is not the birds and the bees either, it will be more focused on brainwashing them at an early age to accept gay relationships, and transgender people as normal.
And this sex ed will happen regardless of whether the parent wants it or not, as its already happening now.
Home schooling has just been made a criminal offence in California.

[americana]

I mean, do you think they're going to teach kids the various positions of the Kama Sutra or something? "Now today Children, we shall continue our lecture on the Dirty Sanchez!" Like I said, fear tends to exaggerate things.
.

You just made me laugh 'til I cried.

Still, I don't think that things need to get too technical with 4 year olds. What's wrong with a 4 year old thinking that babies come from mommy's tummy! I don't think that they need to know the intricacies of the sex act or about condoms and safe sex practices or about our LGBT friends.

Thus, it would really help parents to know exactly what is being taught.

For example, there is a comic book put out for sex education of 6-7 year olds in UK Schools. Read about it here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057397/Now-schools-introduce-sex-guide-year-olds.html

Interested parents should get a copy, in my humble opinion and see what's what.

Here is a recent 2008 review of Sex Ed in UK Schools. It makes quite a big deal about how parents should know what's being taught, but it also doesn't seem to trust parents' judgment or even their ability to teach their own children at home, according to their values, faith, or their own knowledge of their child's personality and abilities and what they can handle at that age, etc.

http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/_doc/13030/SRE%20final.pdf

Also note passages about external people and agencies being used to teach sex and relationship ed. This to me is something that would need to be fully investigated.

And here is the Government response: (BTW, check out the odd Helicopter graphic on the first page. Surveillance . . . . )

http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/_doc/13030/7924-DCSF-Sex%20and%20Relationships%20A4.pdf

[deckard]

That's just deranged. No offense to any Brits, but whenever I think that America's indoctrination of women is fucked, I can always rely on Britain for some perspective.
And Japan.

Not a peep from the feminists on this it seems, you think they would be picketing every store that sold them.

[damagedbrainn]

Dont be surprised if they do damagedbrain, I wouldnt put anything past what the NWO is capable of, the main part of the sex ed, is not the birds and the bees either, it will be more focused on brainwashing them at an early age to accept gay relationships, and transgender people as normal.
And this sex ed will happen regardless of whether the parent wants it or not, as its already happening now.
Home schooling has just been made a criminal offence in California.

I'm not getting into the whole gay issue with you again. Needless to say, I'm already familiar with your opinions on it and think they're bigoted and moronic.

And home schooling is not illegal in California.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/07/INCHVG0SD.DTL
http://www.hslda.org/hs/state/ca/200808080.asp

[deckard]

I'm not getting into the whole gay issue with you again. Needless to say, I'm already familiar with your opinions on it and think they're bigoted and moronic.
And home schooling is not illegal in California.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/07/INCHVG0SD.DTL
http://www.hslda.org/hs/state/ca/200808080.asp

Biggotted and moronic to you, NWO brainwashing to me.
And I stand corrected on the homeschooling, it seems I havent been up to date with the last developments, last I heard, it had been ruled to be an offence in California to homeschool, my apologies.
But the battle is not over for gay agenda activists, they will continue the fight to repeal this law, until home schooling is banned.

[damagedbrainn]

Biggotted and moronic to you, NWO brainwashing to me.
And I stand corrected on the homeschooling, but the battle is not over, gay agenda activists will continue to fight to repeal the law, until home schooling is banned.

Well, if you're so afraid of the gays, you may as well dive in the ocean and swim to a nice, isolated island because, whether you like it or not, homosexuality is becoming more and more accepted. I say, good. You say, "conspiracy". Too bad.

[runciter]

deckard maybe you should start reporting his harassing and insulting posts.

[deckard]

deckard maybe you should start reporting his harassing and insulting posts.

ok, if you say so.

[deckard]

Well, if you're so afraid of the gays, you may as well dive in the ocean and swim to a nice, isolated island because, whether you like it or not, homosexuality is becoming more and more accepted. I say, good. You say, "conspiracy". Too bad.

Im not afraid of gays at all, your just using NWO methods to try to discredit anyone who is against their gay agenda.
Homosexuality is becoming mainstream, not because people want it there, but because it is being pushed onto people whether they like it or not.

[americana]

Running parallel with this discussion, I thought that this article was of interest! I am not anti-homosexual and most of my friends are gay men and I love them to pieces, BUT this was rather disturbing. I would tie this into what I noted above about the Sex Ed report and bringing "outside educators" into the classroom. Educators with their own agenda and own desires . . . . . .

From the UK Daily Mail:

Teach 'the pleasure of gay sex' to children as young as five, say researchers

By Steve Doughty
16th September 2008

Children as young as five should be taught to understand the pleasures of gay sex, according to leaders of a taxpayer-funded education project.

Heads of the project have set themselves a goal of 'creating primary classrooms where queer sexualities are affirmed and celebrated'.

The ambition was revealed in documents prepared for the No Outsiders project run by researchers from universities and backed with £600,000 of public money provided by the Economic and Social Research Council.


Children as young as five should be taught about gay sex, an education project has said

The stated purpose of the project - which is operating in 14 primary schools - is to stop bullying and prejudice aimed at homosexuals.

However, at a seminar at Exeter University tomorrow, supporters of the group will go beyond the anti-bullying agenda and discuss 'pleasure and desire in educational contexts'.

A document prepared for the seminar and couched in convoluted academic jargon says: 'The team is concerned to interrogate the desexualisation of children's bodies, the negation of pleasure and desire in educational contexts, and the tendency to shy away from discussion of (sexual) bodily activity in No Outsiders project work.

'The danger of accusations of the corruption of innocent children has led team members to make repeated claims that this project is not about sex or desire - and that it is therefore not about bodies.

'Yet, at a very significant level, that is exactly what it is about and to deny this may have significant negative implications for children and young people.'

No Outsiders is led by researchers from Sunderland University and also involves academics at the Institute of Education and Exeter University. Books, puppet shows and plays are used to teach children about same-sex relationships.

During the project, the seminar paper says, its members have 'challenged each other to go beyond imagined possibilities into queer practice'.

The seminar will 'question the taken-for-granted of the supposedly sexless, bodiless and desire-less primary classroom' and examine 'the place of the research team members' own bodies, desires and pleasures in this research'.

The discussions provoked a furious reaction from critics of the homosexual rights agenda. Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute said: 'When an adult who is working in a primary school suggests that children should explore their sexuality, that should result in a complaint to the police.'

Patricia Morgan, author of studies of family life and gay adoption, said: 'The proposal is that primary school classrooms should be turned into gay saunas. This is about homosexual practice in junior schools. The idiots who repealed Section 28 should consider that this is where it has got them.'

Project leader Dr Elizabeth Atkinson said the seminar had no connection with No Outsiders work in classrooms. 'The seminar is part of a long-standing academic debate and has nothing to do with schools,' she said. 'It has no connection with sex education.'

Section 28, the law which banned the promotion of homosexuality in state schools, was repealed five years ago. Current guidance on sex education says it should not promote sexual orientation or sexual activity.

Source: Daily Mail UK.

[damagedbrainn]

Im not afraid of gays at all, your just using NWO methods to try to discredit anyone who is against their gay agenda.
Homosexuality is becoming mainstream, not because people want it there, but because it is being pushed onto people whether they like it or not.

Whatever....like I said, I'm not going down that road with you yet again. This topic really had nothing at all to do with homosexuality, and you dragging that into it will only start yet another argument; which I'm actually trying to avoid, surprisingly, even to myself.

[deckard]

Its just so disgusting isnt it americana, the sex ed being aimed at young kids, was always to help promote the gay agenda to them, its a common NWO tactic, promote something, but sneak in their real agenda with it.

[deckard]

Whatever....like I said, I'm not going down that road with you yet again. This topic really had nothing at all to do with homosexuality, and you dragging that into it will only start yet another argument; which I'm actually trying to avoid, surprisingly, even to myself.

If you read Americanas article, you might start to open your eyes to whats really happenning, sex ed is just the trojan horse.

[runciter]

:eek:

it's an effect of the freudian brainwashing about "infantile sexuality".

the "funny" thing is that freud himself, in 1896, had discovered that all his hysteric patients had repressed memories of sexual abuse suffered when they were children, and he clearly wrote about them as real events in his earlier writings, but at one point he decided that they were all fantasies, and gave birth to the "infantile sexuality" theory... looks like the old "blame the victim" strategy.

source: http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/5127V273X1L._SL500_AA240_.jpg

subtitle: "society's betrayal of the child"

[runciter]

ok, if you say so.

maybe it's the only way to get a little respect from some people..

[damagedbrainn]

If you read Americanas article, you might start to open your eyes to whats really happenning, sex ed is just the trojan horse.

Yeah yeah, I know....a trojan horse full of gay men in spandex. And apparently you're going to insist that this thread be about the evils of homosexuality, rather than its original topic. Just wanted to point that out because usually I get the blame for derailing things.

[deckard]

it's an effect of the freudian brainwashing about "infantile sexuality".
the "funny" thing is that freud himself, in 1896, had discovered that all his hysteric patients had repressed memories of sexual abuse suffered when they were children, and he clearly wrote about them as real events in his earlier writings, but at one point he decided that they were all fantasies, and gave birth to the "infantile sexuality" theory... looks like the old "blame the victim" strategy.


Freud is a fake, all his theorys have been proven to be just liberal minded trash.

[deckard]

Yeah yeah, I know....a trojan horse full of gay men in spandex. And apparently you're going to insist that this thread be about the evils of homosexuality, rather than its original topic. Just wanted to point that out because usually I get the blame for derailing things.

Where did I say anything about the evils of homosexuality, just on the basis of just being homosexual alone?
Its been pointed out to you by me and others, that the real long term agenda for sex ed, has really always been about pushing non traditional relationships on children as normal, not really about sex ed at all.
This has been the plan all along, for the last forty years, and now it is coming to a head.

[runciter]

Yeah yeah, I know....a trojan horse full of gay men in spandex. And apparently you're going to insist that this thread be about the evils of homosexuality, rather than its original topic. Just wanted to point that out because usually I get the blame for derailing things.

this reply was pointless, and looks like you're really derailing the thread..

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maybe the "infantile sexuality" theory has its roots in the torah..

Prohibition on Incest

Incest was not only hushed up in stories, but also tabooed by laws, bans, commandments and repetitions. Most of the laws of the Torah are found in the Third. Book of Moses, including the prohibition on incest (Lev. 18 and 20.) Many of the laws in chapter 20 are repeated from from chapter 18, for example, the prohibition on homosexuality (Verse 22.) In Israel and in progressive Judaism, (Reform and Liberal Judaism), homosexuality is currently no longer taboo. Unfortunately, mention of incest still is.

We find the prohibition on incest in greater detail in Lev. 18,6-17. In the following list, the specific prohibitions on incest are given. The perpetrator is always the one to whom the prohibition applies:

- General prohibition on incest, Verse 2;

- Sex with parents, verse 7, perpetrator: child;

- Sex with the mother, respectively, step-mother, Verse 8, perpetrator, child;

- Sex with the sister, respectively, half-sister, Verse 9, perpetrator: child:

- Sex with the aunt, Verse 12-13, perpetrator: child;

- Sex with the uncle, Verse 14, perpetrator: child.

- Sex with the uncle's wife, Verse 14, perpetrator: child;

- Sex with the sister-in-law, Verse 15; perpetrator: child;

- Sex with the daughter-in-law, Verse 15, perpetrator: child;

- Sex with the granddaughter, Verse 19, perpetrator: grandfather;

- Sex with the step-daughter, Verse 17, perpetrator: step-father;

- Sex with step-granddaughter, Verse 17, perpetrator: step-grandfather.

In most of the cases (7 from 11), the perpetrator is the child, who doesn't have to be a minor. The first detailed prohibition refers to sex with the parents. There is, however, no prohibition that refers to sex with the daughter or son. The biological father and biological mother, are not denoted as perpetrators. There is no woman as perpetrator.

http://www.hagalil.com/bet-debora/jewish-women/golandsky.htm

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[killmicrosoft]

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[dogsmilk]

Guidelines on sex and relationship education - including primary level - as a component of PHSE have existed for years. Basically what has happened is the government are formalising them as they have been implemented on a highly inconsistent and ad-hoc basis. Though some schools will inevitably already have been doing this for years. The guidelines from 2000 don't appear to say anything radically different from what is being said right now -
http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/sreguidance/sexeducation.pdf
This move to standardisation has previously been recommended by the UK Youth Parliament based on feedback from ver youth that the S & R education they were getting was frequently shit, as reported in this document whose racy double entendre title some may find upsetting.
http://www.ukyouthparliament.org.uk/campaigns/sre/AreYouGettingIt.pdf

We can probably expect to see drugs education for children - which at a primary level entails such things as not taking medicine from mummy's cupboard - similarly formalised as the directly comparable ad-hoc implementation has similarly failed to be implemented consistently because schools don't have to do it. And accompanying 'debate' about whether we should be teachin' liddle kids 'bout drugz.

If people don't like the idea of sex & relationship education at primary level, I would personally suggest scrutinising whatever new guidelines emerge, comparing them with old guidelines, looking at lesson plans, class delivery, directly relevant research on the subject etc rather than getting instantly terrifically excited about the notion because the mainstream media are telling you you should be terrifically excited about it, but maybe that's just me.

I'd argue that the amoral invocation of sex and gender stereotypes from the advertising industry to get you buying crap from year dot is far more threatening.

gay relationships, and transgender people as normal.

They are normal. There always have been and always will be gay and transgendered people. There is no rational reason why same sex couples should be viewed any differently from hetero couples or why somebody shouldn't be allowed to live as a member of the opposite gender if that is what feels right to them.

[deckard]

maybe it's the only way to get a little respect from some people..

He hasnt really been that bad, believe me I will if he does get that way, it certainly worked well with another one on here.
I think he is a NWO agent on here trying to push their agendas, and get people to accept them, if he cant see nothing wrong with the continued sexualising of young children, then he is definitely not one of us.

[mynameis]

Discussion below in context is meant for children in the classroom, hence the word seminar in the article explains that this written for adults and is about their training document. The practices in the classroom are entirely different. Why people are exaggerating about this without reading speaks volumes to people who are knee-jerk hardcore bigots. Well done, instead of working together, bigots are feeding into the negitive energy like good little sheep and are divided and conqueered, very nicely doing free anti-Icke work. The kind of behavior in the other two articles below are exactly the reasons why this kind of seminar was launched.



In documents prepared for the seminar, project leaders have set themselves a goal of "creating primary classrooms where queer sexualities are affirmed and celebrated".

"The team is concerned to interrogate the desexualisation of children's bodies, the negation of pleasure and desire in educational contexts, and the tendency to shy away from discussion of (sexual) bodily activity in No Outsiders project work.

"The danger of accusations of the corruption of innocent children has led team members to make repeated claims that this project is not about sex or desire - and that it is therefore not about bodies.

"Yet, at a very significant level, that is exactly what it is about and to deny this may have significant negative implications for children and young people."

During the project, the seminar paper says, its members have "challenged each other to go beyond imagined possibilities into queer practice".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/education/2967796/Primary-schools-should-celebrate-homosexuality.html


Right-wing threats silence gay project

An education project that teaches primary pupils about gay relationships has called off a high-profile launch after death threats from right-wing extremists.

The government-funded No Outsiders project, which works with 15 UK schools, has been running as a pilot since 2006 and provides gay story books such as King and King to schools, as well as helping teachers to organise plays, talks and films about gay families.

But Nick Griffin, leader of the British National Party, has described organisers of the project as “intellectual perverts”.

Threats have since appeared on hard-right websites, with one blogger calling for “capital punishment for the paedo-intellectuals”, alongside a list of researchers’ names and contact details.

Several commentators compared the researchers to paedophiles. One said: “Personally, I think that authors of this monstrosity should be shot without any trial.”

In response, plans for a public launch of the scheme, due this month, have been cancelled.

The TES removed all mention of schools involved in the scheme after Sunderland University expressed concern that they could be targeted by protestors.

The threats were made after The Daily Mail published a story claiming that the project’s researchers wanted to “teach the pleasure of gay sex to children as young as five”.

The article was a response to a conference organised by project leaders that looked at why educationists always fight shy of gay sex and “the negation of pleasure and desire in educational contexts”.

What had been a dry academic debate about the nuances of addressing gay sexuality in schools turned into the basis for a misconception that gay sex was being taught in British primaries.

The Star alleged that puppets, books and plays would be used to “explain the ‘bodily’ contact enjoyed by gays and lesbians”.

But none of the No Outsiders projects, aimed at tackling homophobia, had involved discussing gay sex with pupils at all.

Primaries involved in the project said they understood the need to give it a lower profile but were still disapponted. “It’s a shame,” said one teacher. “But all this stuff about teaching gay sex … It’s not true, but if parents read it, they could feel very let down.”
http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6003844


Finger on the pulse

Last Updated: 12:01am BST 22/09/2008

Homophobic bullying should be tackled before teenagers end up in A&E after attempting suicide, says Max Pemberton

Tony is vomiting. From behind the curtains, I can hear a nurse comforting him. The sound of him being sick makes me wretch as I try to write my notes. At the reception in A&E, I can hear a woman crying before being escorted by a nurse to the cubicle.

She rushes forward, flings back the curtain and embraces Tony as she sobs. He starts crying as well. The nurse looks at me and mouths the word "mum" by way of explanation. "Why?" his mum says again and again as she cradles him. I look away.
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Tony is 14 and has taken 60 paracetamol. Suicide attempts are a common presentation in A&E departments. Every patient who has tried to kill themselves must be assessed by the on-call psychiatrist, so I have now seen countless suicidal people.

There remains something particularly chilling about children who have tried to kill themselves. What could provoke a child into something so extreme and destructive is incomprehensible to most people. Yet it happens.

Each year, 25,000 children are admitted to hospital due to the severity of self-inflicted injuries. Tony took an overdose because he was being bullied at school after he told a friend he thought he might be gay. The friend told another friend and before long the whole school knew.

For the past three months, he has experienced a catalogue of physical and verbal abuse from other pupils. He told a teacher, who did nothing to stop it. That afternoon, after being set upon by a group after school, he decided life wasn't worth living.

He stopped off at several shops on the way home and bought the paracetamol. After writing a note to his mum, he sat in his bedroom and swallowed the tablets with orange juice. His sister found him lying on his bed crying and called an ambulance.

I'd like to think it was an isolated incident, but it is the second case of a young person trying to kill themselves as a result of homophobic bullying that I've seen in just six weeks.

Last week, academics held a conference at Exeter University on the issue of homophobic bullying. They asked questions about the nature of sexuality in schools and debated how they could become nurturing places, rather than ones that are hostile and threatening to students coming to terms with their sexuality.

The conference focused on the need for a more inclusive attitude towards sexuality within education, so that from a young age people understand that it is not acceptable to attack those who are different from themselves.

This is no different to the attempts made to stamp out racism in schools over the past few decades. The conference was addressing an unaccept­able mind set and had nothing to do with sex education. Yet it provoked a furious reaction from those opposed to gay rights, with some claiming that the academics were attempting to teach youngsters about gay sex.

This misrepresentation of a wholly worthwhile discussion about a complex problem helps no one.

What angers me is that I see the fall-out of this reactionary mentality time and again in A&E, and it is borne out in research.

Studies have shown that half of all students subjected to homophobic bullying admit to having considered killing themselves, and that gay youngsters are eight times more likely to have made a serious attempt on their lives than teenagers generally.

Research conducted by Stonewall shows that two-thirds of gay pupils experience homophobic bullying, rising to 75 per cent in faith schools.

And it has long-lasting effects - a study published last week by Michael King, Professor of Primary Care Psychiatry at University College London, showed that gay men and women are 50 per cent more likely to suffer from depression or anxiety disorders than the general population, as a direct result of discrimination and social exclusion.

If homophobic bullying is ever going to be stopped, and with it the self-harm that plagues young people coming to terms with their sexuality amid hostile peers, the problem is going to have to be brought out into the open and discussed calmly and sensibly.

It is, after all, far better to tackle homophobic bullying in the classroom than when your child is sitting in A&E.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2008/09/22/hpulse122.xml

[mynameis]

I'd argue that the amoral invocation of sex and gender stereotypes from the advertising industry to get you buying crap from year dot is far more threatening.

They are normal. There always have been and always will be gay and transgendered people. There is no rational reason why same sex couples should be viewed any differently from hetero couples or why somebody shouldn't be allowed to live as a member of the opposite gender if that is what feels right to them.

And this is why Sarkozy decided to take on the magazines in France and challenge them with the law, because the law trumps criminal behavior.

[mushroombot]

He hasnt really been that bad, believe me I will if he does get that way, it certainly worked well with another one on here.
I think he is a NWO agent on here trying to push their agendas, and get people to accept them, if he cant see nothing wrong with the continued sexualising of young children, then he is definitely not one of us.

Agreed!!!!

[deckard]

They are normal. There always have been and always will be gay and transgendered people. There is no rational reason why same sex couples should be viewed any differently from hetero couples or why somebody shouldn't be allowed to live as a member of the opposite gender if that is what feels right to them.

Got no problem with them being who they are, I dont think but that transgenders should be having sex changes in our hospitals, especially if its at tax payer expense.
There is no rational reason, why you should view samesex couples as exactly the same as normal couples.
Because just looking at them will tell you right from the start, that their basically not the same at all.

[runciter]

if he cant see nothing wrong with the continued sexualising of young children, then he is definitely not one of us.


.. concerned and aware people, who want to stop all this madness :mad:

[deckard]

Agreed!!!!

Exactly, he is defending perversion.

[deckard]

.. concerned and aware people, who want to stop all this madness :mad:
Unfortunately runciter, the madness is coming down from the PTB, they are letting it loose on us bit by bit.
They are well in the grip of satan, even if they dont fully know it themselves.
We will win in the long term, dont worry.

[runciter]

Discussion below in context is meant for children in the classroom, hence the word seminar in the article explains that this written for adults and is about their training document. The practices in the classroom are entirely different. Why people are exaggerating about this without reading speaks volumes to people who are knee-jerk hardcore bigots. Well done, instead of working together, bigots are feeding into the negitive energy like good little sheep and are divided and conqueered, very nicely doing free anti-Icke work. The kind of behavior in the other two articles below are exactly the reasons why this kind of seminar was launched.


i'm going to report this post as harassing and offending.

[runciter]

We will win in the long term, dont worry.


no doubt about it!!

[runciter]

And this is why Sarkozy decided to take on the magazines in France and challenge them with the law, because the law trumps criminal behavior.

what are you talking about? :confused:

[deckard]

no doubt about it!!

keep your eyes on the prize, stick to the light which is always good and fresh, it will never change, because it never needs to.
And dont listen to their arguements for what you know already is wrong.
Satan isnt called the prince of lies for nothing.

[astrochicken]

LOLZ

Damagedbrain and mynameis at it again eh?

I sincerely wish it would be possible to change the system as an alternative i'm paying about 240 quid a month to send both my kids to a steiner school, which i really can't afford.

At first it was just an alternative to having their minds fucked with at a state school, which bluntly has nothing to do with education but making a mindless drone..sure education of kids is primarily for parents, but there's still 6-8 hours a day with no parental control over which i would have had little influence.

The more i delve into the whole anthroposophical angle and steiner in particular, the more it's dawned on me, that what they're learning from primary 1 onwards, is what took me 37 years on this planet with a fuckload of mushrooms, insights and internet access to realize. ie. astral projection, sacred geometry, unified fields, personal growth, forming an opinion based on expierence and much much more.

I can recommend looking into waldorf schools as an option: Asides from english/french/german,maths,music etc. they can make their own clothes from felt (hats,jackets,dolls etc.), grow their own veggies in their garden,
they can thresh & winnow wheat and make their own bread, make and bind their own books and they're not locked in the one brain hemisphere. They're 6 and 4 yrds old.

I am actually learning things FROM THEM and that is awesome (not like a hotdog ;)

[lightworks]

It is my earnest opinion that children should be taught advanced self techniques at the earliest possible age....including the use of and that does include herforeto the skilled use of edged weapon and small and large firearms
sop even if the illuminati have this agenda of sexualaing young children....I share my own current soul lesson.....that in appropriate occasions ruthless and exacting restariant tecvhniques will quiet the biggest mouth...and for those of you who muight ponder...I speak from past and ongoing personal experience....the harsh and gritty reality of self defence agaisnt bullys paedophiles house intruders ,rapists etc...is simple.....VIOLENCE WORKS.... but of course meted out with a fully calm and concious attitude.....the any and all assailant can be stoopped in the matter of milli seconds...Im no expert on self defence...I ghave not one belt to my name..but on my own authourity.....
A quick smack in the mouth will save hours of unnessecary paperwork

it is also certain that under british law..... one can defend oneself against any and all would be assasins with "reasonable force"...... all we need to do is educate our children on the benfits of how and where to cause the would be sexual predator ,maximum pain.....such as the point of a pencil jammed forcefully in the assailants eyeball......or using a wooden,plastic or metal chair in the same arc swinging manner as a baseball bat.....if there are going to be a new a fresh horde of sexual predators at large in society today...then it would only make perfect sense......to teach children the extrme benfits of learning realistic self defence techniques today...amen

[mynameis]

It is my earnest opinion that children should be taught advanced self techniques at the earliest possible age....including the use of and that does include herforeto the skilled use of edged weapon and small and large firearms
sop even if the illuminati have this agenda of sexualaing young children....I share my own current soul lesson.....that in appropriate occasions ruthless and exacting restariant tecvhniques will quiet the biggest mouth...and for those of you who muight ponder...I speak from past and ongoing personal experience....the harsh and gritty reality of self defence agaisnt bullys paedophiles house intruders ,rapists etc...is simple.....VIOLENCE WORKS.... but of course meted out with a fully calm and concious attitude.....the any and all assailant can be stoopped in the matter of milli seconds...Im no expert on self defence...I ghave not one belt to my name..but on my own authourity.....
A quick smack in the mouth will save hours of unnessecary paperwork

it is also certain that under british law..... one can defend oneself against any and all would be assasins with "reasonable force"...... all we need to do is educate our children on the benfits of how and where to cause the would be sexual predator ,maximum pain.....such as the point of a pencil jammed forcefully in the assailants eyeball......or using a wooden,plastic or metal chair in the same arc swinging manner as a baseball bat.....if there are going to be a new a fresh horde of sexual predators at large in society today...then it would only make perfect sense......to teach children the extrme benfits of learning realistic self defence techniques today...amen

This should be a given in schools instead of gym. It gives children a sense of themselves and their own power, but a qualified instructor that isn't a pedo or predator is and isn't hard to come across in learning martial arts.

[mushroombot]

LOLZ

Damagedbrain and mynameis at it again eh?


I'm paying about 240 quid a month to send both my kids to a steiner school, which i really can't afford.

At first it was just an alternative to having their minds fucked with at a state school, which bluntly has nothing to do with education but making a mindless drone..sure education of kids is primarily for parents, but there's still 6-8 hours a day with no parental control over which i would have had little influence.

The more i delve into the whole anthroposophical angle and steiner in particular, the more it's dawned on me, that what they're learning from primary 1 onwards, is what took me 37 years on this planet with a fuckload of mushrooms, insights and internet access to aquire.
ie. astral projection, sacred geometry, unified fields, personal growth and much much more.

Lol - wouldnt say I'm that well read but just wiki'ed steiner, does sound interesting. Will delve further. :)

[americana]

If people don't like the idea of sex & relationship education at primary level, I would personally suggest scrutinising whatever new guidelines emerge, comparing them with old guidelines, looking at lesson plans, class delivery, directly relevant research on the subject etc rather than getting instantly terrifically excited about the notion because the mainstream media are telling you you should be terrifically excited about it, but maybe that's just me.

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Right. Hopefully, the schools/ bureaucrats, won't make it difficult for parents to get that information. Like I said in a post above, that cartoon book, which includes drawings of a nude boy and girl, and a place where a child connects words like "testicles" and "vagina" to the various body parts, is something that a concerned parent might wish to see!

And that's perfectly normal - - - hopefully, parents take an interest in all of their child's schooling and can reinforce lessons at home, see where there's work needed, etc., etc. There is nothing wrong with a parent wanting to see what's being taught, sex and relationship-wise. That goes for lesbian parents, gay male parents, and straight parents - - all might be concerned about how and when things are being taught!

One change, it seems to me, is that the schools are making this about sex and relationships, that is, they are discussing emotions that go into sexual relationships. Not just the nuts and bolts of the acts, but perhaps discussing with teen girls the complex feelings that they have - - even maybe how boys will try to talk them into sex! I read about this in an article about a UK educator who saw that girls in her class felt compelled to have sex with boys to "keep them", and were by no means emotionally ready for sexual relationships.

[mynameis]

Right. Hopefully, the schools/ bureaucrats, won't make it difficult for parents to get that information. Like I said in a post above, that cartoon book, which includes drawings of a nude boy and girl, and a place where a child connects words like "testicles" and "vagina" to the various body parts, is something that a concerned parent might wish to see!

And that's perfectly normal - - - hopefully, parents take an interest in all of their child's schooling and can reinforce lessons at home, see where there's work needed, etc., etc. There is nothing wrong with a parent wanting to see what's being taught, sex and relationship-wise. That goes for lesbian parents, gay male parents, and straight parents - - all might be concerned about how and when things are being taught!

One change, it seems to me, is that the schools are making this about sex and relationships, that is, they are discussing emotions that go into sexual relationships. Not just the nuts and bolts of the acts, but perhaps discussing with teen girls the complex feelings that they have - - even maybe how boys will try to talk them into sex! I read about this in an article about a UK educator who saw that girls in her class felt compelled to have sex with boys to "keep them", and were by no means emotionally ready for sexual relationships.

Well thought and written.

[runciter]

This should be a given in schools instead of gym. It gives children a sense of themselves and their own power, but a qualified instructor that isn't a pedo or predator is and isn't hard to come across in learning martial arts.

what are you talking about? their power?

children must be protected by responsible adults.

[runciter]

Well thought and written.

do you think that teaching children about sex is a good thing?

[dogsmilk]

Got no problem with them being who they are, I dont think but that transgenders should be having sex changes in our hospitals, especially if its at tax payer expense.
There is no rational reason, why you should view samesex couples as exactly the same as normal couples.
Because just looking at them will tell you right from the start, that their basically not the same at all.

I don't personally see any problem with transgendered people accessing the NHS for sex changes for the same reason I don't see a problem with people accessing the NHS for mental health issues. Transgendered people will tend to suffer psychologically as they feel 100% they are 'in the wrong body' - it makes more sense to me to treat this and get it sorted than to wait until they get depressed and allow them to be treated for that. Besides, I'm not one of these tight fisted cunts that would deprive funding that would help a fellow human live - what is to them - a normal life.

I do not understand what you perceive that is so different about gay couples. If a bloke is into shagging other blokes that is merely one facet of their being and is hardly definitive. I struggle to understand both why you would choose to focus on this one aspect of their person and bestow particular significance upon it or suggest it isn't "normal" considering there have always been gay people. I don't personally see any inherent difference between myself and a gay man other than we happen to find different people sexy.

[astrochicken]

Lol - wouldnt say I'm that well read but just wiki'ed steiner, does sound interesting. Will delve further. :)

Do that, it's fascinating.

[runciter]

keep your eyes on the prize, stick to the light which is always good and fresh, it will never change, because it never needs to.
And dont listen to their arguements for what you know already is wrong.
Satan isnt called the prince of lies for nothing.

this is exactly what i'm trying to... ahem... what i'm DOING.

[danster82]

I agree its fucking bullshit. Reversed psychology like if I tell you not to think about a pink elephant I pretty much know what your thinking about.
Their 4 years old they are not thinking about sex because their not ment to be at that age they will intuitively know when they come to the right age, dont make them think about it at 4 this is sick imo.

Just leave them Alone.

[musti]

i believe that children are already aware of sexuality. i know i was, as early as 5 or 6. of course, the perception i had as a child was much different than the perception i have now. it was somewhat ordinary; only as adults we get this obsessed with sex.

this of course, doesn't mean that ptb doesn't have an agenda. i would try to avoid any teaching at school, let alone sexual education so i share the concerns but it's important to understand that sexuality is just there even as a child, whether you realize it or not. it just doesn't suddenly appear when you are 12.

[cycles of time]

you know what.. i tried having sex with a girl when i was 4-5 yrs old. obviously it didnt work out to well,but the next couple of years, first and second grade,it was all about "show me yours and ill show you mine". by the 3-4th grade,some of us were already having sex with older students...

[mushroombot]

Still sends a shiver down my spine listening to this

[ Pink Floyd ] we dont need no education - YouTube

[dogsmilk]

Right. Hopefully, the schools/ bureaucrats, won't make it difficult for parents to get that information. Like I said in a post above, that cartoon book, which includes drawings of a nude boy and girl, and a place where a child connects words like "testicles" and "vagina" to the various body parts, is something that a concerned parent might wish to see!

And that's perfectly normal - - - hopefully, parents take an interest in all of their child's schooling and can reinforce lessons at home, see where there's work needed, etc., etc. There is nothing wrong with a parent wanting to see what's being taught, sex and relationship-wise. That goes for lesbian parents, gay male parents, and straight parents - - all might be concerned about how and when things are being taught!

One change, it seems to me, is that the schools are making this about sex and relationships, that is, they are discussing emotions that go into sexual relationships. Not just the nuts and bolts of the acts, but perhaps discussing with teen girls the complex feelings that they have - - even maybe how boys will try to talk them into sex! I read about this in an article about a UK educator who saw that girls in her class felt compelled to have sex with boys to "keep them", and were by no means emotionally ready for sexual relationships.

Yes.

Though they invariably make all the guidance publicly available. You just have to trawl dull statutory websites looking for dull documents.

[hunger]

I really want to tell my story & perspective on this. It just doesn't feel right for me right now.

"NOW" in the only moment we have

But I will against my will... at some point I will create a new thread about knowing too much about sex before the age of 5... & the good & bad effects it had on me

Help me gather the strength to delve back into a past which no longer exists for me & I will share the difficulties I faced that followed.
if you promise to pick me up again with love, Then I will sprinkle fairy dust through cyber space to all of you...

For the impatient: I thought it was normal, It was the..

ah fuck I can't finish this today

But I can't leave it like this, I am the funniest most intelligent creative humble person you could ever hope to meet & so are you...if you try

Love you all

[runciter]

I really want to tell my story & perspective on this. It just doesn't feel right for me right now.

"NOW" in the only moment we have

But I will against my will... at some point I will create a new thread about knowing too much about sex before the age of 5... & the good & bad effects it had on me

Help me gather the strength to delve back into a past which no longer exists for me & I will share the difficulties I faced that followed.
if you promise to pick me up again with love, Then I will sprinkle fairy dust through cyber space to all of you...

For the impatient: I thought it was normal, It was the..

ah fuck I can't finish this today

But I can't leave it like this, I am the funniest most intelligent creative humble person you could ever hope to meet & so are you...if you try

Love you all

thank you hunger, i empathize with you,

even if i still can't remember what happened to me.

edit:

good effects? hard to imagine.. :confused:

[lostinstrangeworld]

That is way too young to teach children about sex, in my opinion. I think it will confuse them. I remember feeling traumatized when I was about 9 after this older kid at my junior school told me where babies come from. :o

[kanz]

:)easy there:)

Im not saying there is anything wrong with it, I was just asking for information

I was wondering if the high percentage of young single mothers in the UK might be more to do with the incentive package offered by the UK Government rather than how old kids are taught about sex by the nanny state

I accept theres probably a million other contributing social factors, I was asking for information to decide if this was a major reason

I still think Kids should be allowed to be kids, theres too much shit in the world already, theyll get to see plenty of it when theyre adults

:cool:

Its not the only reason , but it is a big cause of it . Alot of girls see a kid as a fast way to a house payed for them. Sad I know but this is the truth.

And there is no need to start teaching 4 year olds about sex. It's the parents job , even then i think most kids arnt really into sex etc till about 10 ish.

[damagedbrainn]

Right. Hopefully, the schools/ bureaucrats, won't make it difficult for parents to get that information. Like I said in a post above, that cartoon book, which includes drawings of a nude boy and girl, and a place where a child connects words like "testicles" and "vagina" to the various body parts, is something that a concerned parent might wish to see!

And that's perfectly normal - - - hopefully, parents take an interest in all of their child's schooling and can reinforce lessons at home, see where there's work needed, etc., etc. There is nothing wrong with a parent wanting to see what's being taught, sex and relationship-wise. That goes for lesbian parents, gay male parents, and straight parents - - all might be concerned about how and when things are being taught!

One change, it seems to me, is that the schools are making this about sex and relationships, that is, they are discussing emotions that go into sexual relationships. Not just the nuts and bolts of the acts, but perhaps discussing with teen girls the complex feelings that they have - - even maybe how boys will try to talk them into sex! I read about this in an article about a UK educator who saw that girls in her class felt compelled to have sex with boys to "keep them", and were by no means emotionally ready for sexual relationships.

I agree that parents shouldn't be left out of the decision as to whether or not to educate their kids about such things, even though I personally think that a parent whose afraid of their child simply knowing what a vagina or a testicle is is probably a batshit religious nut. But if they subscribe to batshitology, then they have the right to fulfill that subscription. However, parents should also have the right to the alternative, and many within the batshit crowd commonly fight for the total restriction of ANY child receiving any sort of sex education, aside from "abstinence training", not just their own child. At least that's more how it is in America.

When I went to school, they used the permission slip method, and that worked just fine. There's no reason why it wouldn't work everywhere else as well.

The emotional angle doesn't really work though, and any sort of sex education should probably remain strictly technical. In Junior High, we had to take a class called "C.A.R.E." which, while having nothing to do with sexual feelings, was all about emotional sharing, caring, and giving and all that crap. It was generally regarded and treated as a joke by most of the kids, and any sort of "emotional sharing" was often used as a tool of ridicule and humiliation outside of the class. That's another problem with viewing kids as inherently "innocent"....they can actually be little assholes when they know they aren't being watched.

[moondancer]

They are still babies at 4 really.. Their minds can't and should'nt have to contemplate such topics as having sex and relationships. They don't have the capacity to learn the bigger picture which sits with it all..

They have all the time in the world to learn about this.

Let them be little people for as long as they can be.

Sad days :(

[hw spartan]

wtf... and you people still havnt burned down your goverments, thank God its not everywhere this thing been pushed, you should of burned things down when they where teaching your sons and daughters about SEX at any age.... pathetic.
you left it, you thought there is no sin in it, and now you complain, and yet, you still dont get rid of it.
maybe the occults love threads...
FUCK them, the fucken GROOMERS.
theY GROOMED YOU AS A TEEN AND NOW THERE GROOMIG YOUR TODDLERS
im surprized its even a issue, or that they have the BALLS to even mock you with the idea.

good luck people who do nothing.

makes me so sick, im going to create more hells.:cool:

[hunger]

thank you hunger, i empathize with you,

even if i still can't remember what happened to me.

edit:

good effects? hard to imagine.. :confused:

Good effects: I like being me, I am not joe public. I Woke up early, I guide others. I see through bullshit instantly, that kind of "good" PM me if you need to know more, that applies to anyone reading this :)

[amethyst]

The sickening sexualisation and peadophile agenda marches forward:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2008/oct/23/sexeducation-primaryschools



Remember this from last year?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jul/07073008.html

This is ridulous.

Let little children be little children. The elite's mentality is just so warped.

Homeschool your child.

[deckard]

what a gorgeous woman you are amethyst.

[amethyst]

what a gorgeous woman you are amethyst.

Thanks for the compliment Deckard.....I'm enjoying my new 'do :D

[deckard]

you look sexier than ever.

[amethyst]

you look sexier than ever.

hehe..enough about me.....the thread's getting off topic ;)

[sukyspook]

I told my family the other day that if I'd have known The Truth about how the world has/is being corrupted and that humanity has been made into a slave race for satan and his little helpers, I would NOT have had children at all. Of course I told them I love them and am always here for them but that's how I truly feel right now.

When I see a pregnant woman, a baby in a pram or children in a playground, my heart aches and my eyes fill with tears for the potential satanic future that lies ahead for them all.

When I was 14 in the late 60's I was still considered a child and 'knew my place'. There was no Britney or Madonna........it was just the beginning of the aggressive social engineering of our children.

"Hey Teacher, leave them kids alone".....

You might be interested in this article I saw yesterday - and if you don't already, I would check in at this site often as it's a great source of Truth and alternative 'news':

DOT = '.', obviously.....(bad experiences with links from 'bots').

http://www.aangirfanDOTblogspot.com/

Thursday, October 23, 2008
BALLS, SEX AND NAZIS

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SQChYTtNBcI/AAAAAAAAGHo/mOjAaBdO6nQ/s1600-h/nazi_uniform.jpg

The Daily Mail news paper , 26 September 2008, showed Ed Balls, UK Secretary of State for Children, wearing a Nazi uniform.

On 23 October 2008, we learn that Balls wants children as young as five to learn more about sex while they are in school.

Balls was privately educated, at Nottingham High School.



Vid here....

Britain has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in western Europe.

Will more young children now be getting themselves interested in "bow-chika-bow-wow"

Young women in deprived areas are up to five times more likely to become teenage mothers.

Britain, under Labour, has lots of very deprived areas.

snip

Please go to site for video and live links - you won't be disappointed lol!!

If your heart tells you that agendas like this are wrong, then they are wrong.....

Don't just listen to your head - listen from and to your heart as well - this is the true meaning of 'circumcision' - when your heart is opened with compassion and love for everyone and everything and this is the path to 'knowing' God.

Forcing knowledge of sex onto young children is perverted which is what satanists/luciferians are.....just look at the Washington Monument and all other obelisks the world over - it couldn't be more 'in your face' yet it's still there.

[alfrmo]

They are still babies at 4 really.. Their minds can't and should'nt have to contemplate such topics as having sex and relationships. They don't have the capacity to learn the bigger picture which sits with it all..

They have all the time in the world to learn about this.

Let them be little people for as long as they can be.

Sad days :(

I totally agree with you Moondancer, my little son is 4 and is like a sponge when it comes to learning. You only have to look at the constant bombardment from advertisers to see the promotion of sexually-orientated clothing and imaging especially for little girls. We must not allow our childrens' innocence to be stolen by these PC morons. I believe it is just another attempt at destroying the influence of parents, and to re-enforce the powers of the state in order to shape the mind-set and world view of our children from the earliest of ages. It is important to answer questions when your child asks, and I and my partner have no problem with this, but let's not lose the innocence of infancy, and that's what we're talking about. We cannot trust the twisted education system promoting the ideas the PTB wish to promote in order to undermine our society, I for one will not go along with it.

[lemonique]

I don't personally see any problem with transgendered people accessing the NHS for sex changes for the same reason I don't see a problem with people accessing the NHS for mental health issues. Transgendered people will tend to suffer psychologically as they feel 100% they are 'in the wrong body' - it makes more sense to me to treat this and get it sorted than to wait until they get depressed and allow them to be treated for that. Besides, I'm not one of these tight fisted cunts that would deprive funding that would help a fellow human live - what is to them - a normal life.

I do not understand what you perceive that is so different about gay couples. If a bloke is into shagging other blokes that is merely one facet of their being and is hardly definitive. I struggle to understand both why you would choose to focus on this one aspect of their person and bestow particular significance upon it or suggest it isn't "normal" considering there have always been gay people. I don't personally see any inherent difference between myself and a gay man other than we happen to find different people sexy.

Nicely said dogsmilk :)
Met a 'transgender' at an education facility a few years ago. Brilliant person who was living a miserable existence as a woman in a male body. She was a highly educated and intelligent person who was having to work as a prostitute to earn enough dosh for her operation in a foreign country.
So much better healthwise for her to have had the operation here in NZ.
I for one would not begrudge the tax money needed for these people to be their normal selves.

Lem

[americana]

Just so you know that the debate is going on in America, too:

Obama favors sex ed for kindergartners, and THAT got a lot of heated debate!

Here we go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pO1dIKgfPw

Mitt Romney comments after Obama talks.

[americana]

Has anyone seen this story? This version is from Fox News.

Dad Says 6-Year-Old Classmates Forced Son Into 'Sex Club'
Friday, September 12, 2008



Three six-year-old boys ran a sex club at a Brisbane, Australia, state school demanding and receiving sexual favors from classmates, a father has claimed.

The outraged father alleged Friday the school did not bother to tell him for more than a week that his son was involved.

He spoke out as similar stories emerged at state schools on the Gold and Sunshine coasts and in Cairns, which indicate the sexual abuse of young students by other school children appears rampant.

The Brisbane father said his son was one of a trio seen performing various sex acts in a bathroom.

"The teachers interrogated the kids and made them write out statements without our consent," he said. "The boys wrote down that they belonged to a sex club.

"The teachers didn't make contact for six days. They sent me an email and said, 'Sorry, we've been busy'. We believe older children were also involved."

The father has demanded a full police investigation.

His revelations came as uproar was sparked by a story that told how the sexual assault of a seven-year-old girl by a young classmate was dismissed as a "childhood experiment" by a country school principal.

On the Sunshine Coast, a gang of nine-year-old boys has been accused of "grooming" children as young as five to engage in sex acts. Investigators were told victims were rewarded with candy.

I wonder what the story was behind that horror. An abused child as ringleader? or just plain evil . . . .

[lovelatious]

Sex education at such a tender age is just WRONG WRONG WRONG....

Do parents get a say in whether their children are exposed to this or not? (Again, Big Brother attempting to steal more of the parent's role, BIG BROTHER.... BUTT OUT of our precious children's lives!!!)

If we are not allowed a say, to me anyway, the State is clearly leaving me only ONE choice (the choice which I was veering towards anyway)... which is to HOME SCHOOL.

If vaccinations are made compulsory for my child to attend school, again, it leaves me with ONE choice.

I feel that other parents will be swayed towards the same conclusion as I sense extremely bad feeling EN MASSE towards this proposal.
IF the state do implement this, then it will work against them ultimately, as there will be a certain segment of the population who will not be going through the SET School State Programming... and will be educated PROPERLY, about relevant subjects which they can apply to this life's journey...
The more I read the more I think that HOME SCHOOLING is the answer.

[deckard]

Sex education at such a tender age is just WRONG WRONG WRONG....
Do parents get a say in whether their children are exposed to this or not? (Again, Big Brother attempting to steal more of the parent's role, BIG BROTHER.... BUTT OUT of our precious children's lives!!!)
If we are not allowed a say, to me anyway, the State is clearly leaving me only ONE choice (the choice which I was veering towards anyway)... which is to HOME SCHOOL.
If vaccinations are made compulsory for my child to attend school, again, it leaves me with ONE choice.
I feel that other parents will be swayed towards the same conclusion as I sense extremely bad feeling EN MASSE towards this proposal.
IF the state do implement this, then it will work against them ultimately, as there will be a certain segment of the population who will not be going through the SET School State Programming... and will be educated PROPERLY, about relevant subjects which they can apply to this life's journey...
The more I read the more I think that HOME SCHOOLING is the answer.

I believe this is part of the NWO plans to seperate morally responsible people, away from the rest of society.
Home schooling will be encouraged to find out who these people are.

[raptorialis]

So as a woman has a right to say no to sex

so too does a parent have a right to say no to teaching our babies about sex

who are these people that seeks such an agenda?

Out of all the agendas on earth

why is this one such a priority?

One does not wonder about the policy
but one does wonder why policies such as this are deemed so important and get so much presidence over others that are far, far more important.

That's where the cracks in trust occur. When people question the priority of policies........... Who do they really serve??????? Not the people thats for sure.

the sickening sexualisation and peadophile agenda marches forward:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2008/oct/23/sexeducation-primaryschools



remember this from last year?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jul/07073008.html

[lovelatious]

Could very well be... Another case of "You're either WITH US or..."

Anyone know if there is any way that you can (legally?) exclude your child from such lessons? (Thinking about it though, the way kids are, that could leave them open to teasing from others)

[runciter]

So as a woman has a right to say no to sex

so too does a parent have a right to say no to teaching our babies about sex

who are these people that seeks such an agenda?

Out of all the agendas on earth

why is this one such a priority?

One does not wonder about the policy
but one does wonder why policies such as this are deemed so important and get so much presidence over others that are far, far more important.

That's where the cracks in trust occur. When people question the priority of policies........... Who do they really serve??????? Not the people thats for sure.

we're on icke's forum, so i think that i can post this...

Could you tell us something of "Lucian," and the Luciferian beliefs he shared with you?

Lucian is highly regarded within the ranks of the Illuminati, although his popularity with the public has definitely waned in the past several years. He is a former DC-level politician who, due to the circumstances of his birth, cannot become President. For that reason, and because he appears to have an extreme, life-long need to wield power and control everyone and everything around him, he has operated in the background of almost every administration since at least the 1970s. Extremely wealthy, he perversely enjoys entrapping and blackmailing politicians and using the “evidence” of their indiscretions to continue to blackmail them throughout their careers. He especially likes to entrap politicians who claim to be born-again Christians. He told me, more than once, that they are all “hypocrites” and that he is determined to prove that.

He is also not above doing more ugly things to people who get in his way or cause problems for him. The last time I saw him, shortly after Clinton became President, “Lucian” informed me that when “they” have total power over our government (whoever “they” are), he’ll have me back with him as his “pet.”

Concerning the Luciferian beliefs that Lucian taught me: as a person who did not come from a Christian family, Lucian seemed to be primarily interested in the Old Testament. He told me that he and other Luciferians consider Jesus to have been a usurper, in that Jesus stole Lucifer’s rightful position as the true son of God. In a Yin/Yang way, he stated that while Lucifer was thrown down to rule the earth, he has become known as Satan, the evil one, to most people. But Lucian and his associates know him as Lucifer, the light-bearer. This is why they prefer the word, “Illuminati.” The “illumined ones.” He and others like him have grandiose schemes to develop a one-world religion and one-world government that would originally pretend to tolerate Christianity, but would eventually have all Christians either convert to their more global religion, or face ugly consequences. But of course, Lucian – who is a flaming pedophile – is also convinced that they will be able to convince the masses that adult/child sex should be legalized.

Lucian was one of the few members of Illuminati who seemed to truly hate Christians with a passion. I don’t know how that came about.

Like the others he worshipped with, he called the sun, “Ra,” and stated that the sun’s light, when it comes into our bodies, transforms us to be more like that top God. At one location, they had a wall made of round crystals at least the size of golf balls. They believed that they could stand inside that wall and that the sunlight would somehow be concentrated by the crystals and speed their transformation. He stated that he and others like him would transform into Godlike beings that would rule the world and universe. He also mentioned something I still think is extremely odd, because I’ve not heard of it from any other source. He talked about what he called “Saint Peter’s Net.” He stated that as godlike beings, they would form a “net” and capture the energy of others who die and use their spirit-energy to become even more godlike. (In a way, this reminds me of cannibalism and ingestion of blood by some occultists in rituals, to gain the life force of their newly deceased, or dying, victims.)

Some of the Illuminati wives of politicians I was ordered to “worship” with, as a slave, included Greco-Roman religious traditions in their daytime rituals. Forced female-female and adult-child sex was often perpetrated at their rituals. At each of their rituals, at least some of the wives would also have sex with each other. They did not believe in cannibalism or drinking blood. Instead, (this is gross, sorry), they drank semen from the men, after it had been processed somehow to “purify” it. They believed it would also increase their energy. I didn’t.

Lucian, who often gave my father orders, was – like my father – since at least the 50’s, closely aligned with Nazi immigrants who were brought to the US by the OSS/CIA and U.S. Army. Like my father, Lucian was also into Gnosticism, and truly seemed to believe that by physically suffering and depriving himself of certain pleasures (excluding sex with children) he would become more spiritually godlike and elevated. That didn’t seem to keep him and Dad from tormenting and depriving their victims, however. Perhaps they failed to realize that they were also making us spiritually stronger, if their beliefs were true.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/search?q=maitreya

(scroll down until you see the "eyes wide shut" pic)

[deckard]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

This will make you sick.

[moondancer]

Like DI reminded us last night.. when enough people stood up and voiced their opinion on poll tax.. it got turned around.

The same should be done with this

[psychedelia]

My oldest daughter is 5 & there is no way I would let her know anything about sex at this age. If her school starts teaching this I will ask for her to be taken out of class for that lesson because sex is a subject I should tell her about when she is an appropriate age!!

[dogsmilk]

Y'know, upon reflection, the egregious move to fulfill such a sinister agenda as



The Government sees education as key to supporting young people to avoid teenage pregnancy, STIs, drug and alcohol misuse. They recognise that parents must take the lead in instilling values in their children, but that schools must help in equipping pupils with information and the emotional and social skills to make safe and healthy choices.

by inflicting such unadulterated filth as

Sex and Relationships: at primary school this means recognising that animals produce offspring, naming parts of the body, preparing for puberty and being able to talk about feelings and friendships (DISGUSTING!!!!!!. Especially the puberty bit. How can we have telekinetic high school rampages if girls know they're going to start having periods????? And "animals produce offspring"????? I was twenty-five when my mummy sat me on her knee and revealed animals have babies! I could scarcely cope even then!) At secondary school it includes learning how to develop mutually respectful personal relationships and the importance of stable relationships to family life and how risky sexual behaviour contributes to the spread of STIs and unplanned pregnancy.

“Parents bring up children, not schools or Governments, but schools can help guide them through the maze of issues and prepare them for the difficult transition from childhood through to adulthood. We will ensure there is flexibility for schools to tailor lessons to reflect the values and beliefs of the parents and communities they serve.

“Schools already teach PSHE, but it’s clear – especially from the feedback we have from young people – that teaching is patchy. In order to improve that we need to secure a place in the curriculum, renew guidance and increase teacher training, making sure schools have the resources they need.”

http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/pns/DisplayPN.cgi?pn_id=2008_0235

makes me see that I should launch myself into getting it into my head that by making mandatory PHSE content that has been on the books for nearly a decade the government is probably going to be teaching infants about fisting, rimming and golden showers the moment they enter school. After all, if the media mention "sex education" and "primary school" in the same breath, this is my cue to instantly start writing indignant letters to the daily mail irrespective of any detailed understanding of what exactly young children are likely to be taught or have been taught, in some places, for years now without society collapsing and toddlers openly having gay sex in the streets in the areas where schools have actually already implemented the sex and relationships curriculum.
The sheeple who have yet to take the red pill and go down the rabbit hole have not awoken to the esoteric understanding that if the media is generating a story to fill newspapers it is inevitably of vital importance. Some twats may be under the impression that having headlines like "sex education in primary schools" is cynically sensationalist. They have much to learn.
Some of these fucking morons may even think the current 'debate' about whether we should be teaching children things it was government policy to teach them for nigh on the last decade is a handy way of it not being noticed the government has blatantly failed to implement its PHSE curriculum in the face of rising teenage pregnancy and STIs which may make them look inept. But goddam it! It's in the papers! It fills columns! It's your duty to join the vital debate about whether we should make sure boys know they have a cock and girls know they have a fanny! (attention Americans! a fanny is not an 'ass'!)

The teenage pregnancy unit workers I personally know who are currently very happy the uphill battle they have fought in trying to spread their evil propaganda like getting young people educated about STIs in the face of alarming increases is now getting some clout behind it are clearly all NWO agents. Their distinctly average lives and frustration with government failing for years to give them adequate resources is just a front.

The only people - under any circumstances - that should ever teach children about sex or relationships are parents. And if a child has parents that don't bother, teach them daddy hits mummy when she's disobedient and that's the way it is, teach them girls are for shagging and johnnies are rubbish or relationships don't extend beyond having a new 'uncle' every fortnight that's their tough shit.

Back in the good old days, the sin of onanism, bromide in the tea and whisking girls pregnant out of wedlock off to a mental institution was the order of the day! Yet now, teenagers can actually be taught how to put on a condom! And they have been for years!!!!!!!

I blame the "gay agenda"! (whatever that is).

Let's stop teaching kids about relationships, safe sex and the fact puberty exists and bring back and truss them up in outfits like this -

http://thenonist.com/images/uploads/pat.surgapplnce.jpg

To keep them safe until they get married.

It's a victory for common sense!

[deckard]

Yes, lets reach for an extreme reaction to try and prove why kids should be taught about sex ed, and non hetero relationships at the ages of four and five.

[hunger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak0RMsrQB3E

This will make you sick.

It only made me feel slightly sick & it wasn't anything to do with the sexuality part.
I felt sick at seeing young innocent faces, young minds being programed/condintioned. "Hey teacher, leave those kids alone"

I have many gay & lesbian friends. Each to their own. I like girls, but that's just me.
This thread though has raked up a lot of old awful memories... & it always hits me like a fucking hammer "Shit, that happened to me...I was abused before I had a chance to even be..." I am almost 40 years old now & I turned out fine, I Could go on to say how that 1 episode in my life made me the person I am today or I could talk about the acid trips I took when I was 18 but I don't because I realised one important thing: I am me , & I am not stupid.

All the answers you need are inside you

[lightworks]

This should be a given in schools instead of gym. It gives children a sense of themselves and their own power, but a qualified instructor that isn't a pedo or predator is and isn't hard to come across in learning martial arts.
why do you say that qualified instructors being paedo isnt hard to come across?..........perhaps there are some bonafide decent ones also......I agree with you that it should be a given...if |I am lucky enough to be blessed with children.....then they will be taught these things i.e realistic and deadly self defence techniques ...namely techniques so as to cause maximum discomfort to the assailant and would be padeophile/sexual predator ...falling weel within the limits of the use of "reasonable force"

Does the law protect me? What is 'reasonable force'?
Anyone can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others, or to carry out an arrest or to prevent crime. You are not expected to make fine judgements over the level of force you use in the heat of the moment. So long as you only do what you honestly and instinctively believe is necessary in the heat of the moment, that would be the strongest evidence of you acting lawfully and in selfdefence. This is still the case if you use something to hand as a weapon.

As a general rule, the more extreme the circumstances and the fear felt, the more force you can lawfully use in self-defence.



taken from the er home office page on er reasonable force...so lets cut the dyed in the wool new age huggy kissy crap....and get back to basics ...shall we eh?...the police will not complain if your children attack marauding sexual predators ...for fear of thier own personal safety...

and indeed if said predators err to fiddle around with little boys bottoms

http://www.cps.gov.uk/Publications/prosecution/householders.html


...I am not clear if the reasonable defence ruling takes precedent over minors....I wonder if anyone can shed some light on this matter

[damagedbrainn]

Sex education at such a tender age is just WRONG WRONG WRONG....

Do parents get a say in whether their children are exposed to this or not? (Again, Big Brother attempting to steal more of the parent's role, BIG BROTHER.... BUTT OUT of our precious children's lives!!!)

If we are not allowed a say, to me anyway, the State is clearly leaving me only ONE choice (the choice which I was veering towards anyway)... which is to HOME SCHOOL.

If vaccinations are made compulsory for my child to attend school, again, it leaves me with ONE choice.

I feel that other parents will be swayed towards the same conclusion as I sense extremely bad feeling EN MASSE towards this proposal.
IF the state do implement this, then it will work against them ultimately, as there will be a certain segment of the population who will not be going through the SET School State Programming... and will be educated PROPERLY, about relevant subjects which they can apply to this life's journey...
The more I read the more I think that HOME SCHOOLING is the answer.

Yeah, if a child asks about where babies come from, we should stick to the old stork line. Then tell them about santa claus and the easter bunny and the tooth fairy and all sort of magical nonsense. Why do adults love lying to kids so much?

[damagedbrainn]

I believe this is part of the NWO plans to seperate morally responsible people, away from the rest of society.
Home schooling will be encouraged to find out who these people are.

You/re classifying people who send their children to public school (or even private school) as morally irresponsible, yet it's "them" that's creating the division.

[damagedbrainn]

Could very well be... Another case of "You're either WITH US or..."

Anyone know if there is any way that you can (legally?) exclude your child from such lessons? (Thinking about it though, the way kids are, that could leave them open to teasing from others)

With enough complaint, they always end up implementing a system of parental consent where the parent can request that their child not be included. That's how it went when I was in school.

As far as teasing goes....I guess that just depends on the school in question, and is more a matter of parents not raising their children to be assholes.

[damagedbrainn]

It only made me feel slightly sick & it wasn't anything to do with the sexuality part.
I felt sick at seeing young innocent faces, young minds being programed/condintioned. "Hey teacher, leave those kids alone"

I have many gay & lesbian friends. Each to their own. I like girls, but that's just me.
This thread though has raked up a lot of old awful memories... & it always hits me like a fucking hammer "Shit, that happened to me...I was abused before I had a chance to even be..." I am almost 40 years old now & I turned out fine, I Could go on to say how that 1 episode in my life made me the person I am today or I could talk about the acid trips I took when I was 18 but I don't because I realised one important thing: I am me , & I am not stupid.

All the answers you need are inside you

Oh come on. I know that "We don't need no education" sounds cool and all, but do you honestly believe that children should receive no education whatsoever? They're going to learn math, reading, writing, science, history, and all the rest of it by "searching inside themselves"? Did acid teach you to read and write and how to use a computer?

[hw spartan]

wtf... and you people still havnt burned down your goverments, thank God its not everywhere this thing been pushed, you should of burned things down when they where teaching your sons and daughters about SEX at any age.... pathetic.
you left it, you thought there is no sin in it, and now you complain, and yet, you still dont get rid of it.
maybe the occults love threads...
FUCK them, the fucken GROOMERS.
theY GROOMED YOU AS A TEEN AND NOW THERE GROOMIG YOUR TODDLERS
im surprized its even a issue, or that they have the BALLS to even mock you with the idea.

good luck people who do nothing.

makes me so sick, im going to create more hells.:cool:

also, if any School teaches my children about sex, at 4yo or 10yo or even 14yo, heck even 16yo...... im going to burn the fucken school to the ground.
:cool:

[deckard]

also, if any School teaches my children about sex, at 4yo or 10yo or even 14yo, heck even 16yo...... im going to burn the fucken school to the ground.
:cool:

Go for it, try and round up the evil buggers teaching it to kids especially and tie them all to a large bunch of tindling in the middle of it, there going to burn in hell forever anyway.

[deckard]

You/re classifying people who send their children to public school (or even private school) as morally irresponsible, yet it's "them" that's creating the division.

No, its irresponsible teaching methods, especially ones that are going to offend that are creating the divisons.

[damagedbrainn]

Go for it, try and round up the evil buggers teaching it to kids especially and tie them all to a large bunch of tindling in the middle of it, there going to burn in hell forever anyway.

Are you being sarcastic or serious?

[damagedbrainn]

also, if any School teaches my children about sex, at 4yo or 10yo or even 14yo, heck even 16yo...... im going to burn the fucken school to the ground.
:cool:

With or without people inside?

[amethyst]

Oh come on. I know that "We don't need no education" sounds cool and all, but do you honestly believe that children should receive no education whatsoever? They're going to learn math, reading, writing, science, history, and all the rest of it by "searching inside themselves"? Did acid teach you to read and write and how to use a computer?

You are being very insensitive with this post damagedbrain. Read between the lines and get a reality check.

Hunger was sharing his own personal story of what happened to him with the forum and you just shot him all down to hell. He is to be commended for sharing, not mocked :mad:

[deckard]

Are you being sarcastic or serious?

neither.

[deckard]

It only made me feel slightly sick & it wasn't anything to do with the sexuality part.
I felt sick at seeing young innocent faces, young minds being programed/condintioned. "Hey teacher, leave those kids alone"
I have many gay & lesbian friends. Each to their own. I like girls, but that's just me.
This thread though has raked up a lot of old awful memories... & it always hits me like a fucking hammer "Shit, that happened to me...I was abused before I had a chance to even be..." I am almost 40 years old now & I turned out fine, I Could go on to say how that 1 episode in my life made me the person I am today or I could talk about the acid trips I took when I was 18 but I don't because I realised one important thing: I am me , & I am not stupid.
All the answers you need are inside you

Agreed, the mindwashing made me more angry than sick, you could even tell the kids werent that keen on learning about it either, you only have to look at their expressions.
We are worse but, we are letting these monsters do this to young kids.

[damagedbrainn]

neither.

So you weren't kidding or being serious. Then what were you being by implying that people who teach children about sex should be burned to death because they'll "burn in hell anyway"? Do you really believe that? Were you exaggerating? Were you kidding? What?

[deckard]

So you weren't kidding or being serious. Then what were you being by implying that people who teach children about sex should be burned to death because they'll "burn in hell anyway"? Do you really believe that? Were you exaggerating? Were you kidding? What?

geez lighten up will you, its not the spanish inquistion.

[damagedbrainn]

You are being very insensitive with this post damagedbrain. Read between the lines and get a reality check.

Hunger was sharing his own personal story of what happened to him with the forum and you just shot him all down to hell. He is to be commended for sharing, not mocked :mad:

I was disagreeing with his opinions, not criticizing his personal experience. And he didn't really tell a personal story, he just said he was abused. So was I. What does that have to do with my opinions? Nothing. If someone disagrees with me, are they being insensitive? No, they're not.

[damagedbrainn]

geez lighten up will you, its not the spanish inquistion.

Clearly some would like it to be.

[deckard]

Clearly some would like it to be.

Well I guess I wouldnt shed a tear, for people who are hellbent on destroying a childs innocence.

[amethyst]

I was disagreeing with his opinions, not criticizing his personal experience. And he didn't really tell a personal story, he just said he was abused. So was I. What does that have to do with my opinions? Nothing. If someone disagrees with me, are they being insensitive? No, they're not.

You TOTALLY missed the intent behind his post. He was expressing that the video made him sick. You were argueing about something that had nothing to do with his thoughts.

And I am sorry that you were abused. No child should ever have to experience anything like this at all. That's why others were disagreeing with you. Because 4 year olds ARE TOO YOUNG to be sex educated. Regardless whether you think it goes over their heads or not. Four years old is TOO young. End of. And tptb due to their own corruption, want to corrupt their little minds. It's sick and there is an agenda behind it and it stinks.

If you were honest with yourself, you'd admit that.

[damagedbrainn]

Well I guess I wouldnt shed a tear, for people who are hellbent on destroying a childs innocence.

So if a parent chooses to teach their child about sex at an age you personally deem as "inappropriate", do you feel that they would be deserving of some sort of punishment?

[damagedbrainn]

You TOTALLY missed the intent behind his post. He was expressing that the video made him sick. You were argueing about something that had nothing to do with his thoughts.

And I am sorry that you were abused. No child should ever have to experience anything like this at all. That's why others were disagreeing with you. Because 4 year olds ARE TOO YOUNG to be sex educated. Regardless whether you think it goes over their heads or not. Four years old is TOO young. End of. And tptb due to their own corruption, want to corrupt their little minds. It's sick and there is an agenda behind it and it stinks.

If you were honest with yourself, you'd admit that.

I know why people were disagreeing with me...and I'm disagreeing back. What is so complicated about that? You think that sex education destroys children for some reason. I don't think that. It's a matter of personal opinion, obviously, and both of us are being honest. You all just keep trying to spin this into something else.

Edit:
Also, why don't you be honest with yourself and admit that this largely religiously motivated. Waiting until you're married and all that jazz....

[onourwayto2012]

wow.... "damaged brain" sums it up quite nicely...

[amethyst]

I know why people were disagreeing with me...and I'm disagreeing back. What is so complicated about that? You think that sex education destroys children for some reason. I don't think that. It's a matter of personal opinion, obviously, and both of us are being honest. You all just keep trying to spin this into something else.

Edit:
Also, why don't you be honest with yourself and admit that this largely religiously motivated. Waiting until you're married and all that jazz....

No one said anything about sex education destroying children....but you are spinning it however you want.:rolleyes:

You are so far off the mark it's not even funny.....I guess deflection is better for you than being honest and admitting you are wrong......if you are trying to save face, it's not working. Decency has no agenda, whether it's "religious" or not.

[deckard]

So if a parent chooses to teach their child about sex at an age you personally deem as "inappropriate", do you feel that they would be deserving of some sort of punishment?

Yes, a slap in the head.

[deckard]

wow.... "damaged brain" sums it up quite nicely...

perversion?

[damagedbrainn]

No one said anything about sex education destroying children....but you are spinning it however you want.:rolleyes:

You are so far off the mark it's not even funny.....I guess deflection is better for you than being honest and admitting you are wrong......if you are trying to save face, it's not working. Decency has no agenda, whether it's "religious" or not.

Why would I admit to being wrong when I don't believe that I am wrong? You're trying to make it seem like I secretly know you're right, but just won't admit it. THAT'S deflection. That's "spin".

I can at least acknowledge the fact that you say what you say because it's what you really think. Why is that hard for you to do with others? Do you really think that your opinions are so self-evident that no one could possibly disagree with them without "lying to themselves"?

[deckard]

In Australia a year ago, they had some state schools having sex ed lessons where young teenagers of the same sex were invited to cuddle each other, to promote undersatnding.

This was done without parental knowlege, and outraged parents demanded it be stopped straight away, which it was.

But these evil socialist bastards that have infiltrated our education systems, will wait for another chance, and try again.

[damagedbrainn]

Yes, a slap in the head.

Okay, since you wanna be a wuss about it, I'll rephrase the question.

Throughout this thread you and several others have complained that parents should be able to withdraw their children from receiving any sex education in school. I agree with that....A parent should have the right to make this decision, even if I think that they're reasons for making the decision are superstitious and dumb. I'm able to recognize and accept the rights of those that I disagree with.

Are you capable of this? If a parent wants their child to receive sex education, do you believe that they should be allowed to?

[deckard]

Okay, since you wanna be a wuss about it, I'll rephrase the question.
Throughout this thread you and several others have complained that parents should be able to withdraw their children from receiving any sex education in school. I agree with that....A parent should have the right to make this decision, even if I think that they're reasons for making the decision are superstitious and dumb. I'm able to recognize and accept the rights of those that I disagree with.
Are you capable of this? If a parent wants their child to receive sex education, do you believe that they should be allowed to?

Not at a young age, and certainly never about same sex, genderbenders etc thats just evil and wrong.

[amethyst]

Why would I admit to being wrong when I don't believe that I am wrong? You're trying to make it seem like I secretly know you're right, but just won't admit it. THAT'S deflection. That's "spin".

I can at least acknowledge the fact that you say what you say because it's what you really think. Why is that hard for you to do with others? Do you really think that your opinions are so self-evident that no one could possibly disagree with them without "lying to themselves"?

Whatever damagedbrain. If you think it's ok to teach little four year old children all about the joys of sex, you are entitled to your opinion.

But it's a perverse opinion, in my opinion. And everyone else who has replied to this thread appears to agree with me. I don't understand why you would defend it, but you have your reasons obviously.

[hw spartan]

With or without people inside?

with out.

[damagedbrainn]

Not at a young age, and certainly never about same sex, genderbenders etc thats just evil and wrong.

So no parent should be allowed to have sex education taught their child, even if they don't personally share your views on sexual morality? To you, this isn't a matter of personal opinion or personal choice, but more a matter of you being right and everyone else should just obey that, regardless of what they think about it?

[damagedbrainn]

with out.

Well, god bless you sir. Wish there were more fanatical arsonists like you.

[hw spartan]

So no parent should be allowed to have sex education taught their child, even if they don't personally share your views on sexual morality? To you, this isn't a matter of personal opinion or personal choice, but more a matter of you being right and everyone else should just obey that, regardless of what they think about it?

bro, get over your political ass kissing, have you been or know about occults and petty witches, they fucken give up thee children to sex orgies and crap.
and you want us to let children get thought, by teachers, and you throw the parents remark, unknowing that we dont give a fuck about parents teaching children sex, 1st thats wrong anyway.. life does a good job of it, plus the soicail dissorder....but you a a big puppet...get the fuck out, illuminati ass kisses...
..really, you think its ok....while babies are been slaghterered in the name of the devil, go, we have a section here, called satanism\child abuse.... you fuck.

[damagedbrainn]

Whatever damagedbrain. If you think it's ok to teach little four year old children all about the joys of sex, you are entitled to your opinion.

But it's a perverse opinion, in my opinion. And everyone else who has replied to this thread appears to agree with me. I don't understand why you would defend it, but you have your reasons obviously.

You're exaggerating. I seriously doubt that they're being taught the "joys of sex".

There's nothing "perverse" about a child knowing what a vagina is. And if knowing what a vagina is is perverted, then actually having one on your body must be like super-ultra-perverted. This is why girls grow up all fucked in the head about their own bodies. Seriously.

[deckard]

Chill Spartan, your doing what he wants.

[amethyst]

Just curious damagedbrain. Do you have children?

If or if not, would you want someone to educate your little four year old all about the joys of sex?

Why do you think a school teacher who is a stranger, can do a better job than a parent?

[amethyst]

You're exaggerating. I seriously doubt that they're being taught the "joys of sex".

There's nothing "perverse" about a child knowing what a vagina is. And if knowing what a vagina is is perverted, then actually having one on your body must be like super-ultra-perverted. This is why girls grow up all fucked in the head about their own bodies. Seriously.

Well, duh.:rolleyes:

But that's different than sex education. It's the parents job to teach them when they ask natural curious questions, not the schools job.

[deckard]

So no parent should be allowed to have sex education taught their child, even if they don't personally share your views on sexual morality? To you, this isn't a matter of personal opinion or personal choice, but more a matter of you being right and everyone else should just obey that, regardless of what they think about it?

That sounds alot like our socialist school system but doesnt it, we are right in what we are teaching to your kids, and everyone else had better obey that and not disagree, regardless of what they think about it?

[deckard]

Well, duh.:rolleyes:

But that's different than sex education. It's the parents job to teach them when they ask natural curious questions, not the schools job.

Exactly.
Schools are for education regarding writing, maths science etc
not socialist brainwashing exercises.

[amethyst]

Exactly.
Schools are for education regarding writing, maths science etc
not socialist brainwashing exercises.

Yeah, unfortunately they are not even doing a good job educating them either.. They are however, very good at dumbing down their pupils.

[damagedbrainn]

That sounds alot like our socialist school system but doesnt it, we are right in what we are teaching to your kids, and everyone else had better obey that and not disagree, regardless of what they think about it?

Yeah, you're probably better off dodging the question.

[damagedbrainn]

Just curious damagedbrain. Do you have children?

If or if not, would you want someone to educate your little four year old all about the joys of sex?

Why do you think a school teacher who is a stranger, can do a better job than a parent?

Did you ever even have sex education? Because it's not really what you seem to imagine it to be. I mean, you keep repeating that "joys of sex" line, like they teach children how to hit the g-spot, or why doggystyle feels so good. Or they sit down and watch a lot of porn.

Anyway....As I said way earlier in this thread, I think four years old is too young for sex education because the questions four year olds have about sex are too simple, and any further technical details about it would be gibberish to them. I just don't share in your massive-freak out about it, like it's the end of the fucking world or something. People having that level of fear and paranoia (not to mention shame and guilt) regarding the subject of sexuality is completely deranged to me.

And be honest, you don't think kids should have sex education at all. I mean, kids learn about war, kids learn about murder, kids learn about death, they even eventually about rape....but them learning about sex, that's what's really gonna fuck them up. That would traumatize them.

[deckard]

Yeah, you're probably better off dodging the question.

Why? Are you going to get the thought police onto me?

[amethyst]

Did you ever even have sex education? Because it's not really what you seem to imagine it to be. I mean, you keep repeating that "joys of sex" line, like they teach children how to hit the g-spot, or why doggystyle feels so good. Or they sit down and watch a lot of porn.

Anyway....As I said way earlier in this thread, I think four years old is too young for sex education because the questions four year olds have about sex are too simple, and any further technical details about it would be gibberish to them. I just don't share in your massive-freak out about it, like it's the end of the fucking world or something. People having that level of fear and paranoia (not to mention shame and guilt) regarding the subject of sexuality is completely deranged to me.

And be honest, you don't kids should have sex education at all. I mean, kids learn about war, kids learn about murder, kids learn about death, they even eventually about rape....but them learning about sex, that's what's really gonna fuck them up. That would traumatize them.

You're backtracking damagedbrain.......yes siree, you are. And contradicting yourself. You didn't asnswer my questions, but how come I'm not surprised :rolleyes:

[damagedbrainn]

You're backtracking damagedbrain.......yes siree, you are. And contradicting yourself. You didn't asnswer my questions, but how come I'm not surprised :rolleyes:

The only question I missed is whether or not I have kids, and no I don't. The rest I did actually answer. And "backtracking" would involve changing my opinion, which I haven't done. So, again, you're going for more spin, and it's getting annoying.

[damagedbrainn]

Why? Are you going to get the thought police onto me?

Hyperbole is fun, ain't it.

[amethyst]

The only question I missed is whether or not I have kids, and no I don't. The rest I did actually answer. And "backtracking" would involve changing my opinion, which I haven't done. So, again, you're going for more spin, and it's getting annoying.

You might change your mind if you did have a child.

Sorry. I just don't understand why you would defend something that really isn't defensible.

[damagedbrainn]

You might change your mind if you did have a child.

Sorry. I just don't understand why you would defend something that really isn't defensible.

I don't think having a child changes a persons mind about everything. I don't believe in heaven or hell, or some dichotomy of God vs. the devil, or "temptation", or the sanctity of marriage, or that sex is inherently dangerous and evil, or any of that stuff. I don't see how having a child would change my mind about all that. Like I would look into their eyes and see God or something. Especially considering the fact that the child I would be looking at would have been created through the act of sex.

[amethyst]

I don't think having a child changes a persons mind about everything. I don't believe in heaven or hell, or some dichotomy of God vs. the devil, or "temptation", or the sanctity of marriage, or that sex is inherently dangerous and evil, or any of that stuff. I don't see how having a child would change my mind about all that. Like I would look into their eyes and see God or something. Especially considering the fact that the child I would be looking at would have been created through the act of sex.

Oh you're a slippery one. What has the topic to do with anything you mentioned above? You are the only one interjecting "morality' into the conversation.

[damagedbrainn]

Oh you're a slippery one. What has the topic to do with anything you mentioned above? You are the only one interjecting "morality' into the conversation.

This has everything to do with morality. What are you talking about?

Stop trying to spin every little thing I say. I have been replying to what you have said, I'm sure you can do the same.

[amethyst]

This has everything to do with morality. What are you talking about?

Stop trying to spin every little thing I say. I have been replying to what you have said, I'm sure you can do the same.

No actually, just common decency. But I'm done. bye-bye.

[damagedbrainn]

No actually, just common decency. But I'm done. bye-bye.

Oh, "common decency"....that has nothing to do with morality. Those are like two completely different things, like manners and etiquette, or belief and faith, or suns and stars.

[deckard]

Oh, "common decency"....that has nothing to do with morality. Those are like two completely different things, like manners and etiquette, or belief and faith, or suns and stars.

There is no reason to teach kids, especially ones who are only four, and to especially go into great or indeed any detail, about sexual reproduction, sexual diseases, sexual positions or sexual persuasions.

Like the teachers in the vid, you really creep me out.

[damagedbrainn]

There is no reason to teach kids, especially ones who are only four, and to especially go into great or indeed any detail, about sexual reproduction, sexual diseases, sexual positions or sexual persuasions.

Like the teachers in the vid, you really creep me out.

Well, you'll just have to live with it I'm afraid. Christians just aren't allowed to burn sinners anymore.

[deckard]

Well, you'll just have to live with it I'm afraid. Christians just aren't allowed to burn sinners anymore.

Wrong, we dont have to live with it, and we wont.

[damagedbrainn]

Wrong, we dont have to live with it, and we wont.

Oh, come to the dark side, Deck. We got pie.

[mynameis]

If or if not, would you want someone to educate your little four year old all about the joys of sex?

You do realize that you are taking the seminar out of context. The literature of the seminar was not designed to teach children the concept "joys of sex" or anything else sexual, it is designed to inform and educate about the sex differences and preferences that are written into the new inclusion laws.

[runciter]

I know why people were disagreeing with me...and I'm disagreeing back. What is so complicated about that? You think that sex education destroys children for some reason. I don't think that. It's a matter of personal opinion, obviously, and both of us are being honest. You all just keep trying to spin this into something else.


i think it's about preparing children to have sex with adults.


Edit:
Also, why don't you be honest with yourself and admit that this largely religiously motivated. Waiting until you're married and all that jazz....


protecting children from sick people is religiously motivated?

[deckard]

Oh, come to the dark side, Deck. We got pie.

Dark side, I would believe it.
Keep your pie, I don't like pedyberry flavour thanks.

[sukyspook]

Well, you'll just have to live with it I'm afraid. Christians just aren't allowed to burn sinners anymore.

There is no reason to teach kids, especially ones who are only four, and to especially go into great or indeed any detail, about sexual reproduction, sexual diseases, sexual positions or sexual persuasions.

Like the teachers in the vid, you really creep me out.

I posted earlier on in the thread but soon realised, damagedbrainn, that I no longer wanted to post on this one as YOU very much had your own opinions and you believe that everyone else is wrong who doesn't share your values.

One last and only comment from me - I have three children, have worked in playgroups and infant schools so I have known children pretty well for 25 years.

Children immitate what they see and hear and they are already curious about sex at a very young age - they even explore their own bodies - boys in particular, from a few weeks old....

That's no reason to install or instill OUR values upon them from as young as 4 as this WILL make them even more curious and hence, begin sex at an earlier age which, as a researcher into all things 'occult/luciferian/satanic/kabbalistic etc etc (for education purposes only) - is precisely what the luciferians (read all of the above and more) want.....

We all know that our children have been 'dumbed down' deliberately and so too have they been indoctrinated with education about drugs (dare), sex, alcohol, violence and now even suicide......

We have been lead down a blind alley in that we could trust the 'experts'.....common purpose/un/luciferian experts are NOT the ones I want to have access to the mind of MY children thanks very much.

If we really cared about our children we could start to tell them earlier how love, peace, Truth, true justice, COMPASSION, honesty, hope, joy and abundance could REALLY change the world for the better. Oh, and we could help them learn to grow their own food, bake bread and feed themselves too instead of having been manipulated into the mindset that we don't want to waste our time looking after the basics - but be like Britney, Madonna or the Spice Girls and spend your time 'dolling yourself up' for the opposite sex.....

I despair, I really do.

[runciter]

I posted earlier on in the thread but soon realised, damagedbrainn, that I no longer wanted to post on this one as YOU very much had your own opinions and you believe that everyone else is wrong who doesn't share your values.


this is a good reason for posting..

don't be discouraged by "dark-siders" :)

Oh, come to the dark side, Deck. We got pie.

...

[kde_]

Sex education for 5 years old is being pushed by the British Humanist Association, the same NGO behind the Atheist Bus Campaign.

[deckard]

Sex education for 5 years old is being pushed by the British Humanist Association, the same NGO behind the Atheist Bus Campaign.

They are all satan, into wicca, the occult, sexual perversion these creeps.

Humanist? weird.

[runciter]

Oh, "common decency"....that has nothing to do with morality. Those are like two completely different things, like manners and etiquette, or belief and faith, or suns and stars.

it has to do with empathy and compassion, natural human feelings.

[deckard]

it has to do with empathy and compassion, natural human feelings.

as opposed to the dark side..

[mushroombot]

I posted earlier on in the thread but soon realised, damagedbrainn, that I no longer wanted to post on this one as YOU very much had your own opinions and you believe that everyone else is wrong who doesn't share your values.

One last and only comment from me - I have three children, have worked in playgroups and infant schools so I have known children pretty well for 25 years.

Children immitate what they see and hear and they are already curious about sex at a very young age - they even explore their own bodies - boys in particular, from a few weeks old....

That's no reason to install or instill OUR values upon them from as young as 4 as this WILL make them even more curious and hence, begin sex at an earlier age which, as a researcher into all things 'occult/luciferian/satanic/kabbalistic etc etc (for education purposes only) - is precisely what the luciferians (read all of the above and more) want.....

We all know that our children have been 'dumbed down' deliberately and so too have they been indoctrinated with education about drugs (dare), sex, alcohol, violence and now even suicide......

We have been lead down a blind alley in that we could trust the 'experts'.....common purpose/un/luciferian experts are NOT the ones I want to have access to the mind of MY children thanks very much.

If we really cared about our children we could start to tell them earlier how love, peace, Truth, true justice, COMPASSION, honesty, hope, joy and abundance could REALLY change the world for the better. Oh, and we could help them learn to grow their own food, bake bread and feed themselves too instead of having been manipulated into the mindset that we don't want to waste our time looking after the basics - but be like Britney, Madonna or the Spice Girls and spend your time 'dolling yourself up' for the opposite sex.....

I despair, I really do.

Good post!

[sukyspook]

Good post!

Thanks mushroombot - I was going to post shortly after that post my pooter crashed.....anyway, here's what I wasn't going to say - then decided to say it (women eh!! lol).


"They are all satan, into wicca, the occult, sexual perversion these creeps.

Humanist? weird."



'They' hide behind 'humanist' and other such words - the word 'human' should mean compassion, truth, justice, trust etc but some 'humans', especially those who have been put 'in charge' really don't appear to be...human.

'The Agenda' is so very, very clever and so very, very evil....

Nice one Deckard - you've held on to your morals/principles throughout this thread.

The 'self appointed' satanic/luciferian elite are nothing more than bullies who have infiltrated everything and use what I call the REAL wmd's such as 'political correctness', 'anti-semitism', 'religious intolerance' and plain words such as 'luddite' to ridicule and stifle anything 'good' and with a strong, principled and good moral foundation.

Simply put - a battle of good vs evil....it really IS that simple and no one can convince me otherwise. To those who scoff at this - deal with it!

It really does come down to which mindset you live in and hence create in 'the world'. The highest 'vibration' of goodness, compassion, truth etc or the lowest of greed, war, hatred, poverty, sickness - or the beast-man/goyim etc which I would describe as 'satanic' which is mainly materially based but in cahoots with lower vibrational energies/entities which could be described as Icke's reppies but I understand them to be demonic entities/jinn etc....

To return to the thread - teaching little children about sex as young as 4 is purely of the latter mindset. Those who live in and worship the lower mindset are, indeed what can be described as 'satanic' and they can, by many accounts I've personally read - invoke and evoke - satan.

Whilst there are those of this mindset in control - the world, for 'right-thinking' individuals will continue to go to hell in a handbasket.

Like the smoking ban - perhaps we should begin to legislate against luciferianism/witchcraft/satanism as imho and from my research, this kind of practice/mindset affects everyone whether they practice it or not.....look around you....we could call it 'passive luciferianism' lol!!!

I can just hear all those 'weekend pagans' up in arms at my suggestion....

However, pagan is pagan and pan/the green man is one 'identity' of satan......

[lovelatious]

Yeah, if a child asks about where babies come from, we should stick to the old stork line. Then tell them about santa claus and the easter bunny and the tooth fairy and all sort of magical nonsense. Why do adults love lying to kids so much?


Only just read this now...

Damagedbrainn,

The Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, hey, whatever YOU believe in Damagedbrainn is your belief…
(which is most evidently at the opposite end of the spectrum to mine)

On the other hand… most parents KNOW it’s THEIR
GOD-GIVEN right, (and most definitely, and defiantly NOT the government’s) to educate their young children as they KNOW best on such matters. End Of.

[deckard]

'They' hide behind 'humanist' and other such words - the word 'human' should mean compassion, truth, justice, trust etc but some 'humans', especially those who have been put 'in charge' really don't appear to be...human.
'The Agenda' is so very, very clever and so very, very evil....
Nice one Deckard - you've held on to your morals/principles throughout this thread.
The 'self appointed' satanic/luciferian elite are nothing more than bullies who have infiltrated everything and use what I call the REAL wmd's such as 'political correctness', 'anti-semitism', 'religious intolerance' and plain words such as 'luddite' to ridicule and stifle anything 'good' and with a strong, principled and good moral foundation.
Simply put - a battle of good vs evil....it really IS that simple and no one can convince me otherwise. To those who scoff at this - deal with it!
It really does come down to which mindset you live in and hence create in 'the world'. The highest 'vibration' of goodness, compassion, truth etc or the lowest of greed, war, hatred, poverty, sickness - or the beast-man/goyim etc which I would describe as 'satanic' which is mainly materially based but in cahoots with lower vibrational energies/entities which could be described as Icke's reppies but I understand them to be demonic entities/jinn etc....
To return to the thread - teaching little children about sex as young as 4 is purely of the latter mindset. Those who live in and worship the lower mindset are, indeed what can be described as 'satanic' and they can, by many accounts I've personally read - invoke and evoke - satan.


Totally agreed sukyspook, the evil creeps, use words like tolerance, understanding etc to hide their vile agenda, and now they have got as far as the innocent kids who have just learned to talk, if this is the future of education, then the children are better off out of it, no education would be better than this.

[amethyst]

Well it's heartening to see that most replying to this thread have a conscience.

You know, if you think about it, the one's creating these idiotic school rules aren't human. Remember, they're reptile people. And as such, they have to guess at what "human" is.

That's why they have to tag on titles like " British humanist Association".

Because they are simply human "wannabes". Must be sad to have to guess at what real humanity is all about :rolleyes:

[runciter]

Well it's heartening to see that most replying to this thread have a conscience.


yes amethyst... and i'm also understanding one important thing:

they can't make the smallest step without making us stronger :)

[amethyst]

yes amethyst... and i'm also understanding one important thing:

they can't make the smallest step without making us stronger :)

That's right :)

[sukyspook]

Totally agreed sukyspook, the evil creeps, use words like tolerance, understanding etc to hide their vile agenda, and now they have got as far as the innocent kids who have just learned to talk, if this is the future of education, then the children are better off out of it, no education would be better than this.

When we see that 'adversary' means 'opponent or enemy' (Collins Gem Dictionary).

Deckard, having read many of your posts, I don't need to tell you that Satan is the 'adversary' but I need to say something.....

Satan's worshippers tell us one thing and the exact opposite is true....there are reasons why 'they' can justify this....apparently it's in 'our interests' lol because 'they' think we are incapable of running the world properly so 'they' do it for us....because it's not just A Crowley who is 'the beast' but WE are too until we become fully awake and aware and raise our energy vibrations to rise about the 'sex,drugs,rock and roll' scam that's been perpetrated upon us.

The main example of this is when boosh (W) said in the wake of 911: "you're either with us or you're with the terrsts"....

Of course, we all know by now that the real terrsts are 'them' and of course, anyone who opposes 'them' are now classed as terrsts.....the very confusing Truth is that WE are the Truthtellers and our own governments are the REAL terrsts....."black is white and white is black".

In the Bible, which I refer to as a kind of 'moral compass', this scenario is kind of explained thus:

Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.


This next one best describes the 'sheep in wolf's clothing' who sell us 'humanism' but until we understand what that REALLY means - 'they' have us:


2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (KJV)

13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

....and of course - 'education' means 'luciferian/satanic indoctrination' which is plain to see in the current crop of teens especially here in the uk....sigh.

Whilst it's funny in parts and just downright lewd in others - I think 'Little Britain' is part of the BBC/common purpose/humanist agenda... I won't say any more - for now lol!!

[sukyspook]

yes amethyst... and i'm also understanding one important thing:

they can't make the smallest step without making us stronger :)

I absolutely agree with your observation Runciter.

I guess that's how 'the Universe' works Runciter/Amethyst - or is it Jordan Maxwell's "force in the Universe that some call God" or just plain Karma!!

I share your compassion for the children who are, in reality, our future selves....

Love and peace to both of you, nay all of you

;)

[deckard]

When we see that 'adversary' means 'opponent or enemy' (Collins Gem Dictionary).
Deckard, having read many of your posts, I don't need to tell you that Satan is the 'adversary' but I need to say something.....
Satan's worshippers tell us one thing and the exact opposite is true....there are reasons why 'they' can justify this....apparently it's in 'our interests' lol because 'they' think we are incapable of running the world properly so 'they' do it for us....because it's not just A Crowley who is 'the beast' but WE are too until we become fully awake and aware and raise our energy vibrations to rise about the 'sex,drugs,rock and roll' scam that's been perpetrated upon us.
The main example of this is when boosh (W) said in the wake of 911: "you're either with us or you're with the terrsts"....
Of course, we all know by now that the real terrsts are 'them' and of course, anyone who opposes 'them' are now classed as terrsts.....the very confusing Truth is that WE are the Truthtellers and our own governments are the REAL terrsts....."black is white and white is black".
In the Bible, which I refer to as a kind of 'moral compass', this scenario is kind of explained thus:
Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
This next one best describes the 'sheep in wolf's clothing' who sell us 'humanism' but until we understand what that REALLY means - 'they' have us:
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (KJV)
13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
....and of course - 'education' means 'luciferian/satanic indoctrination' which is plain to see in the current crop of teens especially here in the uk....sigh.
Whilst it's funny in parts and just downright lewd in others - I think 'Little Britain' is part of the BBC/common purpose/humanist agenda... I won't say any more - for now lol!!

Exactly, Satan isnt called the prince of lies for nothing is he.
I myself know when Im free of this creature, and his evil vermin on earth, when I am energetic and confident.
If I am down its usually because of satan.

Have you noticed how much perversion has crept into our movies and comedy shows lately, just when you are enjoying a funny movie, out of nowhere comes a gay scenario, or worse a trans gender one now, it seems the rest of the movie was just a show case for this latest obscenity to be thrust at us.

Bush to be honest I find amusing, hes very down to earth, and likes to crack jokes, who can ever forget his 'dont slap that camel on the ass'.

I know hes evil and part of the illuminati, but if I like someone I like someone, unless I catch them doing something horrific, I cant change that.

What seems to unite satanic people are the words and newage beliefs currently around, they identify each other by their usage, kind of like how masons do with handshakes etc if people arent using these words and expressions, like stereotype, tolerance, open mindedness etc then they are attacked untill they agree with them, or leave.

On Little Britain, its a funny show, their very good comedians especially Walliams, they do some excellent non offensive stuff like Mr Man, but they also throw in some perverted nonsense as well, so I have to pick and choose with them, but I think they are both agents for satan, even if they dont know that themselves.

[dogsmilk]

Yes, lets reach for an extreme reaction to try and prove why kids should be taught about sex ed, and non hetero relationships at the ages of four and five.

Well what seems to have escaped people are the things I keep saying -

1/ No-one appears to have isolated anything in the curriculum they specifically object to, but just keep parroting that five year olds will be 'taught about sex' in a vague way because they saw it on telly or read it in the paper.
2/ It's not new and people are acting like it is. All these 'concerned parents' evidently haven't bothered to look at what the PHSE curriculum has been saying for years.

As I keep saying if you look at the 2000 guidelines it is basically the same stuff

1.12 The Department recommends that all primary schools should have a sex and
relationship education programme tailored to the age and the physical and
emotional maturity of the children. It should ensure that both boys and girls know
about puberty and how a baby is born – as set out in Key Stages 1 and 2 of the
National Science Curriculum. Section 3 gives further information on what should
be taught at these stages and how this should be rooted in the PSHE framework.
1.13 All children, including those who develop earlier than the average, need to know
about puberty before they experience the onset of physical changes. In the early
primary school years, education about relationships needs to focus on friendship,
bullying and the building of self-esteem.

And what exactly is the problem here?

Or for secondary schools?

 teach about relationships, love and care and the responsibilities of parenthood
as well as sex;
 focus on boys as much as girls;
 build self-esteem;
 teach the taking on of responsibility and the consequences of one’s actions in
relation to sexual activity and parenthood;
 provide young people with information about different types of contraception,
safe sex and how they can access local sources of further advice and
treatment;
 use young people as peer educators, e.g. teenage mothers and fathers;
 give young people a clear understanding of the arguments for delaying sexual
activity and resisting pressure;
 link sex and relationship education with issues of peer pressure and other risktaking
behaviour, such as drugs, smoking and alcohol; and
 ensure young people understand how the law applies to sexual relationships.

What is the big fucking deal?

In fact, a big gap in the current guidelines is that I haven't seen anything about teaching children about gay relationships (though they mention homophobic bullying). I'd say children should be taught that same sex couples exist and that that's fine from a pretty young age. That may help to counter the pig-ignorant, bigoted homophobia that is still endemic in large chunks of the populace. I'd be happy if the government put it in the new curriculum. I watched a couple of minutes of that video you posted and simply saw an approach I totally approve of. Good for them. Hopefully one day there won't have to be any effort to give children positive images of gay people because all the anachronistic bigots still living in the 19th century will have died out.

Secondary children should certainly receive proper sex education. It's all very well saying it's up to parents, but if parents don't do so or give fucked up messages, what then? The current guidelines clearly state parents should have the right to withdraw their child if they choose and the govt have already said they will be looking at this for the current review, so what is the fucking problem? Futhermore, the science curriculum component is already mandatory -

5.7 Parents have the right to withdraw their children from all or part of the sex and
relationship education provided at school except for those parts included in the
statutory National Curriculum (see section 3). Schools should make alternative
arrangements in such cases. The DfEE will offer schools a standard pack of
information for parents who withdraw their children from sex and relationship
education.

Which covers

National Curriculum Science
Key Stage 1
1. b) that animals including humans, move, feed, grow, use their senses and
reproduce
2. a) to recognise and compare the main external parts of the bodies of humans
f ) that humans and animals can produce offspring and these grow into adults
4. a) to recognise similarities and differences between themselves and others
and treat others with sensitivity
Key Stage 2
1. a) that the life processes common to humans and other animals include
nutrition, growth and reproduction
2. f) about the main stages of the human life cycle

Well why have all the people getting hysterical about their kids being brainwashed or whatever apparently not previously noticed this is what their kids have already been being taught on a mandatory basis for at least the last eight years?

Finally, no-one seems to be acknowledging that this has partially arisen from consultation with young people themselves where many of them said they weren't getting adequate sex education. Though presumably these young people were all agents of the New World Order in disguise.

I simply cannot believe how easily people are manipulated by 'flat earth news' generated by the mainstream media.

[amethyst]

I absolutely agree with your observation Runciter.

I guess that's how 'the Universe' works Runciter/Amethyst - or is it Jordan Maxwell's "force in the Universe that some call God" or just plain Karma!!

I share your compassion for the children who are, in reality, our future selves....

Love and peace to both of you, nay all of you

;)

Children should always be allowed to be children. They are treasures.

We are just grown up children in a lot of respects.

Sadly, some children are made to grow up a lot sooner than others due to thier circumstances, but that doesn't make it right that they have the adult's sick agendas forced on them.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

Children should always be allowed to be children. They are treasures.

We are just grown up children in a lot of respects.

Sadly, some children are made to grow up a lot sooner than others due to thier circumstances, but that doesn't make it right that they have the adult's sick agendas forced on them.

I agree 100% with what you have written there, let children have their childhood and innocence; only adults with dubious motives would argue otherwise. :-/

[amethyst]

I agree 100% with what you have written there, let children have their childhood and innocence; only adults with dubious motives would argue otherwise. :-/

You are a good egg Winnie :)

See, and i didn't call you Winnifred :D

[sukyspook]

Exactly, Satan isnt called the prince of lies for nothing is he.
I myself know when Im free of this creature, and his evil vermin on earth, when I am energetic and confident.
If I am down its usually because of satan.


On Little Britain, its a funny show, their very good comedians especially Walliams, they do some excellent non offensive stuff like Mr Man, but they also throw in some perverted nonsense as well, so I have to pick and choose with them, but I think they are both agents for satan, even if they dont know that themselves.

I know what you mean about being 'down' Deckard - usually some part of every week I have a couple of days when I struggle to motivate myself against 'the agenda' but I know I'll come through....I always know that I'm going to be able to 'pick myself up' because if I don't - then what's the point in living with the scenario we are all facing? If I thought our struggle was futile I wouldn't even bother to access the Internet lol!!

Also, Little Britain - the new series set in America - I only watched one episode and it was really vulgar and I'm no prude believe me. I suspect the Little Britain boys are being used because I watched a documentary about their rise to fame and they struggled for years before making it big in their current 'incarnation'.....of course, they're on the Beeb which is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the globalists...sigh. Of course, I needn't mention the boys sexuality.....Matt is openly gay but David 'keeps em guessing'!!

Having said that, when the Beeb is good - it's still excellent with travel progs like Stephen Fry (gay - just sayin') in America and the excellent three series Long Way Round, Long Way Down and the current one - By Any Means (or words to that effect) with Charlie Boorman (son of John Boorman - film director) and the first two with Euan McGregor. Cracking programmes, educational, informative and just plain enjoyable. Both Charlie and Euan are married to....... women!!!!!!

Sorry, off topic. I bash Al Beeba so much that sometimes I have to find something good to say about it!!

I hope and pray that there are many teachers who 'see' the satanic agenda and refuse to implement it in our schools.....or we'll be seeing 4 year old girls dressed like Britney....perish the thought.

[sukyspook]

Dear Dogsmilk:

Are you:

1.....a teacher

2.....a parent

You might not think these questions are relevant but I do.

[runciter]

Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.


A Chicago-area scholar, Christopher Jon Bjerknes, 42, thinks he knows what plagues mankind and believes his knowledge is necessary to stop Armageddon.

He says a heretical cult, the "Shabataian Frankists," controls organized Jewry, including Zionism and Freemasonry. They began as followers of Shabatai Zvi (1626-1676) and later Jacob Frank (1726-1791.) They believe Shabatai was the Messiah (God) and his soul has transmigrated down to the Rothschild dynasty, who are now the "king of the Jews."

According to their messianic system, Redemption requires that the Rothschilds become God, i.e. king of the world.

http://www.savethemales.ca/002089.html

[dogsmilk]

Dear Dogsmilk:

Are you:

1.....a teacher

2.....a parent

You might not think these questions are relevant but I do.

No I don't think it's relevant. Why is it?

[runciter]

http://www.geocities.com/cliff_shack/shabbetai1.gif

Was the 17th Century Jewish Messiah, Shabbetai Tzvi, really an impostor as history would have us believe? He was acknowledged and proclaimed to be the Messiah by Nathan of Gaza, the only authentic, recognized Jewish prophet in the past 2500 years. He was accepted as the Messiah by the vast majority of World Jewry, that is, until he consented to convert to Islam when threatened with death by the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. Shabbatai Tzvi understood the conversion to be a sign from G-d that he needed to take his mission underground. In a letter to his brother he wrote, "G-d has made me a Turk."

Do people have the power to reject a messiah?

Did Shabtai Tzvi's "conversion" to Islam render him a messianic impostor or were those that rejected Shabbetai Tzvi rendered infidels with their rejection?

Did Shabbetai Tzvi have offspring? Yes. Where are they now? Where is this Messianic Dynasty? Have they vanished into obscurity? History leaves us no clues. Or does it? Perhaps Shabbatai did succeed in his messianic takeover of the planet. Perhaps his offspring did manage to fulfill the mission of their prophet-proclaimed Messiah father? I suggest that the family Rothschild are direct descendents of the messiah, Shabbatai Tzvi. Shabbatai Tzvi said that he would rebuild Israel. The Rothschilds did. He said that he would re-unite the lost tribes that had been spread out throughout the world. Has this been accomplished through the United Nations? Is the UN a project of hidden Rothschild influence designed to bring world peace? A Rothschild-Shabbatai Tzvi connection would also explain the Rothschilds' relationship to the mystical Jacob Frank, a co-creator of the Illuminati, who claimed to be the reincarnation of Shabbetai Tzvi. It would also explain the Rothschilds strange obsession with their bloodline and their custom of intermarrying amongst themselves. Was this practice determined to keep the royal messianic blood from assimilation? A Rothschildian/Messianic relationship would also explain their lavish and opulent lifestyle. Why shouldn't the direct descendants of the messiah live within the finest palaces on Earth?

It should therefore come as no surprise that there is a strong family resemblance between Shabbatai Tzvi and the Family Rothschild.

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http://www.geocities.com/cliff_shack/shabbetai_rothschild.html

[sukyspook]

No I don't think it's relevant. Why is it?

IMHO and from experience, currently, the majority of teachers - and I'm not talking about the ones of 10-15 years ago plus who walked away from the profession because of the constant changes in indoctrination procedures aka 'national curriculum' are themselves indoctrinated with the belief that the 'one size fits all' national curriculum is better and wiser than parents at 'knowing' what's best for children.

The national curriculum came out of the UN which is built on Rockefeller donated land, a former abbatoir called 'Blood alley' and within the UN building is based the Lucis Trust, formerly Lucifer Trust and the building also houses a meditation room complete with luciferian symbolism.
All that aside, teachers are paid to teach what they're contracted to teach - not what's emotionally best for the children. I have sought to teach what I believe is morally fit for the kind of society I wish to live in and which I wish my children to inherit.

Parents KNOW their children emotionally - and by association, generally know other parents' children better than people who don't have children....
Parents like me, who have done many, many hours of research into just what's wrong with the world and who/what's causing it KNOW the satanic/luciferian agenda and KNOW in their heart - not just in their head - that sex education for 4+ year olds is wrong, unnecessary and WILL take away their innocence....it's part of the agenda....

"Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law"....."love is the law, love under will"....Aleister Crowley.

The 'love' Crowley and his cohorts speak of is, apparently, compassionless love....which I believe is the same as believed by the 'Black Sun' worshippers. 'People' with such a mindset run the world through the likes of the satanic believing rothschilds/bloodlines and the black pope in Rome/saturnia and other 'fronts'. Employees of these 'people' devised the national curriculum.

So called experts without children imho are not qualified to know what is morally and emotionally right for my children and children in general. Only when one is a parent can one understand such a perverted agenda and how wrong it is.

For too long people with very strong morals, which many see as 'luddite', have had to accept agendas of the so called 'do-gooders'. As many of us now see when we look around at this crazy world, those agendas were plainly wrong and so I will no longer be silenced for my views, no matter how 'old fashioned' they may appear.

The antichrist is said to have one eye because he sees only with his mind.....to 'know' God is to see with two eyes - the head AND the heart.

My mother would have said of my remarks: "you shouldn't wear your heart on your sleeve". These days I would reply: "If more of us wore our heart on our sleeve the world would be a much better place for everybody".

[sukyspook]

A Chicago-area scholar, Christopher Jon Bjerknes, 42, thinks he knows what plagues mankind and believes his knowledge is necessary to stop Armageddon.

He says a heretical cult, the "Shabataian Frankists," controls organized Jewry, including Zionism and Freemasonry. They began as followers of Shabatai Zvi (1626-1676) and later Jacob Frank (1726-1791.) They believe Shabatai was the Messiah (God) and his soul has transmigrated down to the Rothschild dynasty, who are now the "king of the Jews."

According to their messianic system, Redemption requires that the Rothschilds become God, i.e. king of the world.

http://www.savethemales.ca/002089.html

Hi Runciter - I've been looking into the many faces of zionism and in particular Shabatai Zvi - until a couple of years ago I'd never heard of him and his followers. I must go back to connect the rothschilds properly - imho I feel they are, in fact, the seed of Cain/satan/samael and Lilith also known by many other names. Barry Chamish talks about Sabbatean Frankists a lot on Dr Stan Monteith's show at Radio Liberty.

One thing that ties all these 'people' together is the Talmud - a perverts paradise.....if people read some of it they'd soon see who the perverts are who insist on sexualising our tiny children.

Here's the link to Elizabeth Dilling's book which is based on exposing the Talmud - it's a lot of reading but a quick look will reveal 'the real agenda':

THE JEWISH
RELIGION
Its Influence Today

Formerly Titled
THE PLOT AGAINST CHRISTIANITY

Elizabeth Dilling

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html

a selection from the index:

Gentile Babies Defile
Swearing Falsely — the Kol Nidre
Robbery, Stealing, Murder — Approved Against Gentiles
Cheating a Gentile Out of Wages
Sodomy and Killing a Gentile
Kill the Gentile Who Studies the Torah
Accidental Killing of Jews

Of course, as we know, the satanists/zionists 'use' and hide behind every religion and the Torah believing Jews are no exception....sigh

Follow the money and you'll always end up at a slimy rothschild.....evil, evil family and one of the main causes of humanities suffering and exploitation.

[damagedbrainn]

They are all satan, into wicca, the occult, sexual perversion these creeps.

Humanist? weird.

I made a point earlier that this was all really religiously motivated. Thank you for proving that point.

[damagedbrainn]

Hi Runciter - I've been looking into the many faces of zionism and in particular Shabatai Zvi - until a couple of years ago I'd never heard of him and his followers. I must go back to connect the rothschilds properly - imho I feel they are, in fact, the seed of Cain/satan/samael and Lilith also known by many other names. Barry Chamish talks about Sabbatean Frankists a lot on Dr Stan Monteith's show at Radio Liberty.

One thing that ties all these 'people' together is the Talmud - a perverts paradise.....if people read some of it they'd soon see who the perverts are who insist on sexualising our tiny children.

Here's the link to Elizabeth Dilling's book which is based on exposing the Talmud - it's a lot of reading but a quick look will reveal 'the real agenda':

THE JEWISH
RELIGION
Its Influence Today

Formerly Titled
THE PLOT AGAINST CHRISTIANITY

Elizabeth Dilling

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html

a selection from the index:

Gentile Babies Defile
Swearing Falsely — the Kol Nidre
Robbery, Stealing, Murder — Approved Against Gentiles
Cheating a Gentile Out of Wages
Sodomy and Killing a Gentile
Kill the Gentile Who Studies the Torah
Accidental Killing of Jews

Of course, as we know, the satanists/zionists 'use' and hide behind every religion and the Torah believing Jews are no exception....sigh

Follow the money and you'll always end up at a slimy rothschild.....evil, evil family and one of the main causes of humanities suffering and exploitation.

Good god, another one. It's like an egg-sack hatched somewhere.

[blueyonder2012]

the sickening sexualisation and peadophile agenda marches forward:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2008/oct/23/sexeducation-primaryschools



remember this from last year?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jul/07073008.html


satanic

[runciter]

I made a point earlier that this was all really religiously motivated.


the paedophile agenda is "religiously" motivated, not standing against it.

[deckard]

No I don't think it's relevant. Why is it?

If you were a parent, you would definitely not like your kid being taught sex ed at such a young age, or about gay, transgender life styles, its sick.

[deckard]

I made a point earlier that this was all really religiously motivated. Thank you for proving that point.

Satan, wicca the occult is not religon, they are cults.
Religon is good.
Cult is bad.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

If you were a parent, you would definitely not like your kid being taught sex ed at such a young age, or about gay, transgender life styles, its sick.

One does have to wonder: Why are people so (seemingly) desperate to rob children of their childhood innocence?

What is it to them?
Why can't they leave children to be children?

It's tantamount to 'grooming' as far as I'm concerned, and they'll probably lower the 'Age of Consent' in the fairly near future too. Then people will say: "So what if she's 12, and he's 48... it's legal!" Mark my words, that day will come...

I am not a parent, but I do have enough intelligence, empathy and integrity to see where this is all leading, and to be indignant about it...

[deckard]

One does have to wonder: Why are people so (seemingly) desperate to rob children of their childhood innocence?
What is it to them?
Why can't they leave children to be children?
It's tantamount to 'grooming' as far as I'm concerned, and they'll probably lower the 'Age of Consent' in the fairly near future too. Then people will say: "So what if she's 12, and he's 48... it's legal!" Mark my words, that day will come...
I am not a parent, but I do have enough intelligence, empathy and integrity to see where this is all leading, and to be indignant about it...

Agreed, the gay movement is after the kids now, grooming is the perfect word.

[sukyspook]

33' 10"

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Highly pertinent....

[dogsmilk]

If you were a parent, you would definitely not like your kid being taught sex ed at such a young age, or about gay, transgender life styles, its sick.

Au contraire. I have no problem with children generally being taught they will experience puberty, that animals breed or be taught about self-esteem etc.
I also have no problem with them being taught that some children have two mummies or two daddies or some men and women live together like mummy and daddy do. Or that that person they saw in town who was obviously a bloke in women's clothes is a person that might want to be a lady and such people exist.

What's sick is trying to make out gay people are some abnormal types you can't possibly get your head round til you're an adult.

I wouldn't like primary kids taught about safe sex, when to have sex, how to not get STIs etc. But since no-one is about to actually do that, I don't see a problem.

You seem very preoccupied with gay people. You seem to think about them a lot. Perhaps you have something you need to come to terms with going on...?

IMHO and from experience, currently, the majority of teachers - and I'm not talking about the ones of 10-15 years ago plus who walked away from the profession because of the constant changes in indoctrination procedures aka 'national curriculum' are themselves indoctrinated with the belief that the 'one size fits all' national curriculum is better and wiser than parents at 'knowing' what's best for children.

The national curriculum came out of the UN which is built on Rockefeller donated land, a former abbatoir called 'Blood alley' and within the UN building is based the Lucis Trust, formerly Lucifer Trust and the building also houses a meditation room complete with luciferian symbolism.
All that aside, teachers are paid to teach what they're contracted to teach - not what's emotionally best for the children. I have sought to teach what I believe is morally fit for the kind of society I wish to live in and which I wish my children to inherit.

Parents KNOW their children emotionally - and by association, generally know other parents' children better than people who don't have children....
Parents like me, who have done many, many hours of research into just what's wrong with the world and who/what's causing it KNOW the satanic/luciferian agenda and KNOW in their heart - not just in their head - that sex education for 4+ year olds is wrong, unnecessary and WILL take away their innocence....it's part of the agenda....

"Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law"....."love is the law, love under will"....Aleister Crowley.

The 'love' Crowley and his cohorts speak of is, apparently, compassionless love....which I believe is the same as believed by the 'Black Sun' worshippers. 'People' with such a mindset run the world through the likes of the satanic believing rothschilds/bloodlines and the black pope in Rome/saturnia and other 'fronts'. Employees of these 'people' devised the national curriculum.

So called experts without children imho are not qualified to know what is morally and emotionally right for my children and children in general. Only when one is a parent can one understand such a perverted agenda and how wrong it is.

For too long people with very strong morals, which many see as 'luddite', have had to accept agendas of the so called 'do-gooders'. As many of us now see when we look around at this crazy world, those agendas were plainly wrong and so I will no longer be silenced for my views, no matter how 'old fashioned' they may appear.

The antichrist is said to have one eye because he sees only with his mind.....to 'know' God is to see with two eyes - the head AND the heart.

My mother would have said of my remarks: "you shouldn't wear your heart on your sleeve". These days I would reply: "If more of us wore our heart on our sleeve the world would be a much better place for everybody".

Well since I don't believe in any Antichrist and find your comments about the NC coming from the UN and the like rather perplexing, we may be on a slightly different plane here.

I find your comments about teachers somewhat patronising. I know several and not one of them thinks the NC trumps parenting and none of them have been "indoctrinated". In fact, yet again, the existing guidelines are at pains to stress the importance of parents.

Since my job is another that you will inevitably decide involves "indoctrination" (I'm a social worker by trade), you may or may not take on board that whereas many parents do connect well with their child emotionally, some do not. I have much personal experience of parents that have beaten their children, ignored their children, messed with their children's heads and fucked their children both literally and metaphorically. But beyond that, there is research that suggests that a sizeable quantity of parents simply do not give their children good sex/relationship education. That is the way it is, no matter how good a parent you yourself may be.

In the final equation, do you think it bad a child knows what puberty is and what to expect before it happens? Do you think it bad they are taught about bullying and discuss it in the classroom? Do you think it bad secondary children are taught about STIs? To resist pressure to have sex?

So called experts without children imho are not qualified to know what is morally and emotionally right for my children and children in general.

There is no logical reason why an "expert" who has children is automatically superior than one who doesn't. It's a bit like saying a counsellor who hasn't been raped can't possibly help you deal with being raped or a doctor who hasn't had cancer is in no position to treat yours. In fact, I've known loads of professionals who have trouble with their own kids.
Additionally, people can have a tendency to extrapolate from their own experience and assume it applies to others, but each person's experience of any situation is unique.

The 'love' Crowley and his cohorts speak of is, apparently, compassionless love....which I believe is the same as believed by the 'Black Sun' worshippers. 'People' with such a mindset run the world through the likes of the satanic believing rothschilds/bloodlines and the black pope in Rome/saturnia and other 'fronts'. Employees of these 'people' devised the national curriculum.


No offence meant, but that is just gobbledygook to me.

Only when one is a parent can one understand such a perverted agenda and how wrong it is.


And parents who don't perceive a "Perverted agenda"...?
childless people who do...?

For the record, just what exactly is this "perverted agenda"?

[hunger]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080604/PETER-HITCHENS-Not-Kim-Jong-II-live-visit-Mandy.html

State groomers are as bad as paedophiles

If a man in your street started trying to talk to your small children about their genitals, you’d call the police and he’d be in the segregation wing in prison and on the sex offenders’ register before you could say ‘paedophile’.

But if the Government say they want to talk dirty to primary school pupils and groom the young for sex, this is praised as enlightened social policy. Look, there’s nobody
in this country over 11 who doesn’t know how babies are made (and therefore how to avoid making them if you don’t want one).

What’s more, the human race managed to reproduce without any difficulty long before there was any sex education at all.

Since ‘sex education’ began, the things it claims to discourage – unwanted pregnancy, sexual diseases etc – have increased like anything.

So why, as a people, are we so lacking in natural suspicion when the sex-education and family-planning lobby come knocking?

These people have failed in their alleged purpose, because it’s a fake. Really, they wish to do several fishy things.

They wish to destroy childhood innocence and smash the remaining influence of religion. They wish to alienate children from their parents.

They wish to spread the idea that under-age sex, sex outside marriage and many other things are ‘natural’ and ‘normal’ and inevitable.

They wish to destroy any lingering belief that marriage is usual or to be expected.
I can’t help you if you want to let this happen. I am baffled that parents and decent teachers do not fight it.

If there were any conservative MPs, I’d be puzzled by their inaction and complacency too, but there aren’t.

How can we get so worked up about individual paedophile grooming and so uninterested when it’s done by the State in schools we’re forced to pay for?

As for the Scouts bringing in ‘sex education’, what is this organisation for, any more?
If they can’t stand against the sordid modern world, who can or will?

[musti]

Au contraire. I have no problem with children generally being taught they will experience puberty, that animals breed or be taught about self-esteem etc.
I also have no problem with them being taught that some children have two mummies or two daddies or some men and women live together like mummy and daddy do. Or that that person they saw in town who was obviously a bloke in women's clothes is a person that might want to be a lady and such people exist.

What's sick is trying to make out gay people are some abnormal types you can't possibly get your head round til you're an adult.

I wouldn't like primary kids taught about safe sex, when to have sex, how to not get STIs etc. But since no-one is about to actually do that, I don't see a problem.

You seem very preoccupied with gay people. You seem to think about them a lot. Perhaps you have something you need to come to terms with going on...?



Well since I don't believe in any Antichrist and find your comments about the NC coming from the UN and the like rather perplexing, we may be on a slightly different plane here.

I find your comments about teachers somewhat patronising. I know several and not one of them thinks the NC trumps parenting and none of them have been "indoctrinated". In fact, yet again, the existing guidelines are at pains to stress the importance of parents.

Since my job is another that you will inevitably decide involves "indoctrination" (I'm a social worker by trade), you may or may not take on board that whereas many parents do connect well with their child emotionally, some do not. I have much personal experience of parents that have beaten their children, ignored their children, messed with their children's heads and fucked their children both literally and metaphorically. But beyond that, there is research that suggests that a sizeable quantity of parents simply do not give their children good sex/relationship education. That is the way it is, no matter how good a parent you yourself may be.

In the final equation, do you think it bad a child knows what puberty is and what to expect before it happens? Do you think it bad they are taught about bullying and discuss it in the classroom? Do you think it bad secondary children are taught about STIs? To resist pressure to have sex?



There is no logical reason why an "expert" who has children is automatically superior than one who doesn't. It's a bit like saying a counsellor who hasn't been raped can't possibly help you deal with being raped or a doctor who hasn't had cancer is in no position to treat yours. In fact, I've known loads of professionals who have trouble with their own kids.
Additionally, people can have a tendency to extrapolate from their own experience and assume it applies to others, but each person's experience of any situation is unique.



No offence meant, but that is just gobbledygook to me.



And parents who don't perceive a "Perverted agenda"...?
childless people who do...?

For the record, just what exactly is this "perverted agenda"?

excellent post!

to me the only missing thing in your post is that the possibility of tptb having a hidden agenda, which many people here are strongly suspecting of. this might very well be a steppingstone to a specific agenda and i think this possibility should not be overlooked. other than that i'm with you 100%.

[amethyst]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080604/PETER-HITCHENS-Not-Kim-Jong-II-live-visit-Mandy.html

State groomers are as bad as paedophiles

If a man in your street started trying to talk to your small children about their genitals, you’d call the police and he’d be in the segregation wing in prison and on the sex offenders’ register before you could say ‘paedophile’.

But if the Government say they want to talk dirty to primary school pupils and groom the young for sex, this is praised as enlightened social policy. Look, there’s nobody
in this country over 11 who doesn’t know how babies are made (and therefore how to avoid making them if you don’t want one).

What’s more, the human race managed to reproduce without any difficulty long before there was any sex education at all.

Since ‘sex education’ began, the things it claims to discourage – unwanted pregnancy, sexual diseases etc – have increased like anything.

So why, as a people, are we so lacking in natural suspicion when the sex-education and family-planning lobby come knocking?

These people have failed in their alleged purpose, because it’s a fake. Really, they wish to do several fishy things.

They wish to destroy childhood innocence and smash the remaining influence of religion. They wish to alienate children from their parents.

They wish to spread the idea that under-age sex, sex outside marriage and many other things are ‘natural’ and ‘normal’ and inevitable.

They wish to destroy any lingering belief that marriage is usual or to be expected.
I can’t help you if you want to let this happen. I am baffled that parents and decent teachers do not fight it.

If there were any conservative MPs, I’d be puzzled by their inaction and complacency too, but there aren’t.

How can we get so worked up about individual paedophile grooming and so uninterested when it’s done by the State in schools we’re forced to pay for?

As for the Scouts bringing in ‘sex education’, what is this organisation for, any more?
If they can’t stand against the sordid modern world, who can or will?

Really good points!

BTW, the boy scouts were started by the elite.

[damagedbrainn]

One does have to wonder: Why are people so (seemingly) desperate to rob children of their childhood innocence?

What is it to them?
Why can't they leave children to be children?

It's tantamount to 'grooming' as far as I'm concerned, and they'll probably lower the 'Age of Consent' in the fairly near future too. Then people will say: "So what if she's 12, and he's 48... it's legal!" Mark my words, that day will come...

I am not a parent, but I do have enough intelligence, empathy and integrity to see where this is all leading, and to be indignant about it...

If there were a goal to lower the age of consent, then why would they have bothered to create one in the first place? And why are the states with a lower age of consent predominantly Christian Conservative ones?

[mynameis]

If there were a goal to lower the age of consent, then why would they have bothered to create one in the first place? And why are the states with a lower age of consent predominantly Christian Conservative ones?

Laugh...It's all grooming..../sarcasm.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

If there were a goal to lower the age of consent, then why would they have bothered to create one in the first place? And why are the states with a lower age of consent predominantly Christian Conservative ones?

Well, there's the 'drip feed' approach: Lower the age over a period of time... and, who controls 'Christianity'?

[damagedbrainn]

Well, there's the 'drip feed' approach: Lower the age over a period of time... and, who controls 'Christianity'?

No, there isn't any "drip feed" approach. The age of consent has risen over time, with the more conservative, or "old-fashioned", states retaining a lower age of consent. Like my own state of Oklahoma, which is super-christian-conservative territory, the age of consent of 16, whereas a more liberal state such as California has an age of consent of 18. If the goal was to eliminate the age of consent so that adults will fuck and marry children, then "they" would have already met that goal a long time ago, because that's the way things used to be....Age of consent laws are a relatively new concept.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

...Like my own state of Oklahoma, which is super-christian-conservative territory, the age of consent of 16, whereas a more liberal state such as California has an age of consent of 18...

Why is it 'conservative' to have a lower age of consent? :eek:

[damagedbrainn]

Why is it 'conservative' to have a lower age of consent? :eek:

Because in the past, the age of consent was lower; therefore states (and even nations) who are more conservative are more likely going to have a lower age of consent. Part of the nature of being conservative is clinging to the past...believing that things are either better the way they are, or the way that they used to be. Conservatives favor old-fashioned tradition.

[runciter]

Why is it 'conservative' to have a lower age of consent? :eek:

http://kokesh.blogspot.com/2007/10/45-republican-pedophiles.html

??

[w1nstonsm1th84]

??


Don't quote me out of context. :rolleyes: This is what I was referring to:

...Like my own state of Oklahoma, which is super-christian-conservative territory, the age of consent of 16, whereas a more liberal state such as California has an age of consent of 18...

So I answered that with:

Why is it 'conservative' to have a lower age of consent? :eek:

I do wonder about some of the people on here... :-/

[runciter]

Don't quote me out of context.


i quoted your question and linked a webpage.


I do wonder about some of the people on here... :-/


please explain yourself, if it was aimed at me.

[sukyspook]

More confirmation of the ongoing satanic agenda in this recent article from Henry Makow who also 'knows'....

The Banker Conspiracy

October 25, 2008
berngreen1.jpg
by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Recently, on his internet radio show, Alan Stang asked me if there is such a thing as a Jewish conspiracy. He gets email from people blaming Jews, Jesuits, the Vatican, Freemasons etc.

I replied that the central banking cartel is the only group that has both the motive and the means to take over the world. Consisting mainly of Cabala-believing Jews and Freemasons, it is the head of the octopus. Zionism, Freemasonry, organized Jewry, Western Imperialism, Jesuits,Vatican, Intelligence agencies, mass media etc. are among countless octopus arms.

The "motive" is to protect its fraudulent private monopoly over public (government) credit (money creation) which is worth trillions and trillions. They need a "world government" to ensure that no nation creates its own money or defaults on the loans the bankers created out of nothing.

The "means" of course is unlimited money funneled through their network of cartels, which allows them to own the government, mass media, education etc. Anyone who succeeds in public life is their puppet or unconsciously serves their agenda. Their Zionist-Freemason-Communist-Socialist-MI-5/6 network allows them to exercise covert control on the ground.

About 1770, a syndicate of bankers led by Mayer Rothschild started the "Illuminati", a satanic cult designed to subvert society. According to Edith Starr Miller, the Rothschild syndicate included Jewish financiers such as Daniel Itzig, Friedlander, the Goldsmids and Mosses Mocatta. ("Occult Theosophy" p. 184.)

According to Miller, the goals of the Illuminati (and Communism and the NWO) were the destruction of Christianity, monarchies, nation-states (in favor of their world government or "internationalism"), the abolition of family ties and marriage by means of promoting homosexuality and promiscuity; the end of inheritance and private property; and the suppression of any collective identity in the spurious name of "universal human brotherhood" i.e. "diversity." (p.185)

SATANISM

The ideology behind this world tyranny, Illuminism, derives from the Jewish Cabala which conveniently preaches that man (i.e. the bankers) can usurp the place of God and redefine reality. Thus, the goal of world banker conspiracy is to enshrine Satan as God. The Illuminati uses revolution, war and financial turmoil to inaugurate their "New World Order."

The world government tyranny is the only conquest to take place without the knowledge of the conquered. In the First Protocol of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," the author says three times, our "countersign" is "Force and Make-believe." By "Make-believe" he means mass deception or "magic."

When alien bankers control the purse strings of the State, inevitably the State becomes synonymous with these bankers. The State is a ruse used to manipulate the masses, "public" in name only. This is the truth behind the "make-believe" face of the Communist NWO.

This tyranny is also the first in history which people cannot mention for fear of being labeled "anti Semitic" and a "hater." Trust me, the hatred is entirely on their side.

This ruse is achieved by blaming all Jews for the machinations of a relative few. It's as though all Italians were blamed for the Mafia. As a Jew, I can testify that very few Jews are aware of how they are used by Illuminati-sponsored movements such as the B'nai Brith (Freemasonry); Zionism; Communism; Socialism, Neo-conservatism, Feminism and Liberalism.

Blaming all Jews naturally makes them run interference for the Rothschilds, thus confirming they are all in collusion. Talk about walking into the line of fire! What would we think of Italians if they defended Al Capone and organized crime on a racial basis? The bankers have always run organized Jewry and used Jews as their pawns and pitchmen.

"Anti-Semite" and "hate" are used like a occult curse from which all shrink in horror. To take this weapon away, we should wear the badge of anti-Semite with pride, by asserting that it stands for opposition to the disproportionate Jewish (and crypto-Jewish) role in advancing the New World Order. (No one is advocating or condoning genocide.) Thus, anti-Semitism will assume its role as a legitimate political (not racial) movement directed against specific Jewish (and non-Jewish) Illuminati-pawns.

Like everyone else, Jews are kept in a bubble and don't know who they are. They have been brainwashed to see themselves as innocent victims. Most have suffered from the machinations of their Zionist "leaders." But many others were Bolshevik murderers and oppressors.

THE BIGGEST REVELATION

The biggest revelation for me was realizing that Judaism is not a religion but a pagan racial creed at best, and a Satanic secret society at worst. The nature of a secret society is that the membership is fed idealistic platitudes and isn't told the real agenda. I expand on this discovery in my forthcoming Illuminati-The Cult that Hijacked the World.

Most Jews are unaware that Judaism largely eschews the Old Testament in favor of the Talmud and Cabala. Very few Jews read these books. If they did, they might realize that the Talmud is full of hate and contempt for non-Jews. They would discover that the Cabala is the basis of modern witchcraft, astrology, numerology, tarot cards, black magic, androgyny, sex worship and much of the New Age movement. It is the basis of Illuminism which teaches that good and evil are one and that black is white and vice-versa. They operate by doing evil while espousing good.

The arc of Western Civilization has been from worship-of-God (rise) to worship-of-Satan (fall.) I suspect the Cabala is the blueprint of post-Christian civilization, the reason we are drowning in media-generated filth, violence, occultism and fear. The apex was the so-called "Enlightenment" when men were taught they could use "reason" and ignore God's natural and spiritual (moral) order. Typically, the consequent decline into moral darkness is represented by Luciferians as light, sunrise (i.e. Obama's logo.)

According to Texe Marrs, the Cabala teaches that the "holy serpent is the true God; that all the evil that a person does, through alchemy is magically transformed into righteousness; and that yes, Lucifer is Lord. Satan is the true and only god. That is the essential doctrine of Cabalism." (Codex Magica p. 426.)



PUBLIC LIFE

obamalogo1.jpgThe fraudulent nature of our public life all stems from the fundamental fraud, Illuminati control of public credit. Thus we have a government sponsored depopulation program in the guise of feminism and gay rights. Thus we have the spectacle of two mind-controlled Illuminati puppets vying for the US Presidency. The case of Barack Obama is the most outrageous. He cannot even prove he is an American citizen. His real father, Communist activist Frank Marshall Davis, was a rapist and pedophile who probably sexually abused his son.

Larry Sinclair claims he has had sex and smoked crack with Obama in the late 1990's. Oddly, this resume is perfect for the Illuminati. Obama can be easily controlled or the Illuminati media will stop ignoring these stories. (To see a puppet malfunctioning, check out the You Tubes of Obama without a teleprompter.)

Now Joe Biden is prophesying that Obama will be severely tested after coming to office and will betray his supporters and plummet in the polls. He seems to be describing something like martial law. An odd thing to say before the election. (Notice the Republicans are ignoring all this- suggesting they are in collusion.)

The world has been taken over by a satanic cult. We are under constant occult attack. Instead of fighting among ourselves like they want, we must recognize that in this struggle there are only two sides --God's and
Satan's.

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