Pentagon - Unidentified 9/11 aircraft debris

[stannrodd]

I found this image at Congress woman Shelley Berkley's website. The image was allegedly taken during her visit to the Pentagon on Sept 13 2001.

http://berkley.house.gov/legis/otr/press_releases/2001/pr_2001_0913.html

I have cropped the image here to show the part/parts.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/Mysterypart2.jpg

The full size image at her website is at this URL

http://berkley.house.gov/legis/otr/press_releases/2001/pic_pr_2001_0913/mil_pentagon_relief_plane.jpg

A copy is at my archive here..

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/mil_pentagon_relief_plane.jpg

If the attack weapon was Flight 77 then this must be part of a Boeing 757.

If it is not part of a 757 then a 757 did not hit the Pentagon.

It should be 757 wreckage if the "official account" is correct .. it may well be a genuine photo from 9/11 or in this case 13 September, since that was the day that Congress woman Shelley Berkley visited the Pentagon crime scene.

The photo could be a plant ?? , .. but is presumably being shown as wreckage from the "attack vehicle" .. a Boeing 757 passenger aircraft.

I am new here and haven't looked at everything here so if this debris has already been discussed here I apologise.

Comments anyone ??

Perhaps an approach to Boeing's 757 department could confirm where it fits on a 757.

Stann

[helloperator]

Do I know you from the letsroll911 forums?

Re. the picture...I don't know

[stannrodd]

Do I know you from the letsroll911 forums?

Re. the picture...I don't know

Yeah, I was there for a few years, haven't been there for a while now, and originally posted the image there after I found it in October 2004.

It's a curly one if you consider the conjecture associated with the Pentagon attack.

Is it planted 757 parts?

Is it actual aircraft debris from the attack aircraft?

Is it actually 757 parts? If not what is it doing there?

If it is not .. what is it?

Why has it remained virtually unknown through the 9/11 community of 9/11
research.

It should be 757 parts if we are to believe the official line.

Could we believe Boeing if the question was asked?

Stann

[helloperator]

Hasn't received much attention huh? Seems strange. Surely someone can id it on sight.

[dave52]

Is it planted 757 parts?

Is it actual aircraft debris from the attack aircraft?

Is it actually 757 parts? If not what is it doing there?

If it is not .. what is it?


Hey Stann...

I personaly don't believe that a large passenger jet hit the Pentagon, therefore all the parts are either planted or from a different (smaller) plane.

[helloperator]

Yeah it's interesting because...some of the images of the facade show bugger all in terms of a huge plane...so what the hell is that piece in the photo? Who knows. It's crazy to suggest a plant...or is it? Could it be part of a smaller plane that flew into the building for show? Are there any people who saw a plane fly into the wall? There must have been many many people who saw the 'impact'.

[stelios]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=STcglX-ZGoY

[deckard]

http://berkley.house.gov/legis/otr/press_releases/2001/pr_2001_0913.html
I have cropped the image here to show the part/parts.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/Mysterypart2.jpg


It looks like it was just carried over and placed there, a piece of debris that size, would have gone flying very fast into the ground, but there doesn't appear to be any disturbance of the area around it.
Also it doesn't look like there are any burn marks on it, even though the whole 'plane' practically vanished in a fireball.

[helloperator]

Well it could easily have been carried out of the area and placed there...but no fire marks is right...and yes...the rest of the plane apparently vanished...so...

[lightgiver]

No plane hit the pentagon>it was staged.

[helloperator]

That's not the question....what is the scrap of areoplane looking debris in the photo?

[lightgiver]

That's not the question....what is the scrap of areoplane looking debris in the photo?

Whatever you want it to be.come back when you have grown up:p

[lightgiver]

does anyone see any plane wreckage on this photograph?

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6469/pentfireballnu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

does anyone see a plane hitting on this footage?

[QUOTE=lightgiver;569248]http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8373/pentagonhitib1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

If you look closely at the piece of wreckage,does it not strike you how unusual it is?no scorch marks,look at the impact on the cctv,no disturbance to ground?and on the 1st pic i posted,where is the wreckage?it does not take Sherlock Holmes to detect that one does it.

and where are all the parts of the aircraft evidence being kept,for crime analysis?preservation of the crime scene and the like.
HMM i wonder?
The wreckage you see was most likely planted in the confusion,easily pushed out on one of the black ops vehicle what arrived at the scene,prior knowledge of attacks would have enabled that to happen,and maybe in the renovation part of the building where the hit took place,maybe some distinguishing parts of the same type of aircraft may have been planted,we will not know until a real investigation takes place.

[mynameis]

does anyone see any plane wreckage on this photograph?

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6469/pentfireballnu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

does anyone see a plane hitting on this footage?

There's scraps of something there on the lawn, but as far a those being from the plane, who knows?

[lightgiver]

Scraps of what?confetti,


Meet Ace Suicide Pilot Hani Hanjour

Let's look at what we know about the alleged suicide pilot of American Airlines Flight 77, Hani Hanjour. According to press reports, Hanjour had used Bowie's Maryland Freeway Airport three times since mid-August as he attempted to get permission to use one of the airport's planes. This from The Prince George's Journal [Maryland] September 18, 2001:

Marcel Bernard, the chief flight instructor at the airport, said the man named Hani Hanjour went into the air in a Cessna 172 with instructors from the airport three times beginning the second week of August and had hoped to rent a plane from the airport.

According to published reports, law enforcement sources say Hanjour, in his mid-twenties, is suspected of crashing the American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon. ...

Hanjour had his pilot's license, said Bernard, but needed what is called a 'check-out' done by the airport to gauge a pilot's skills before he or she is able to rent a plane at Freeway Airport which runs parallel to Route 50.

Instructors at the school told Bernard that after three times in the air, they still felt he was unable to fly solo and that Hanjour seemed disappointed ...

... Published reports said Hanjour obtained his pilot's license in April of 1999, but it expired six months later because he did not complete a required medical exam. He also was trained for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1996, but did not finish the course because instructors felt he was not capable.

Hanjour had 600 hours listed in his log book, Bernard said, and instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience .S Pete Goulatta, a special agent and spokesman for the FBI, said it is an on-going criminal investigation and he could not comment. (pg. 1.)

If you were the mastermind who planned this breathtaking terrorist attack, would you trust a man who took 600 hours of flying time and still could not do the job? Who was paying for Hanjour's lessons, and why?

Yet this is the man the FBI would have us believe flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon "with extraordinary skill." He could not even fly a Cessna 172!

Yes, maneuvering a Boeing 757 into a 270 degree turn under tense conditions (remember, the culprits were outmanned and had crude, non lethal weapons) demanded the skill of a fighter pilot. But why would those bad, bad, Muslims want to do such a thing?

By shifting the plane's position so radically, Flight 77 managed to hit the side of the Pentagon directly opposite the side on which the offices of the Secretary of Defense and Joint Chief of Staff were located. (Coincidentally, Flight 77 hit the offices of Army operations [US News and World Report, Sept. 14, 2001, pg. 25]. Recall, it was the Army that warned of the possibility that Israel's Mossad might make a terror attack against the US.) The masterminds of Operation 911 were prepared to sacrifice the rank and file, but carefully avoided touching a hair on the head of the brass.

It reminds one of Operation Northwoods, doesn't it? Remember the rank and file sailors who were to be sacrificed on a US Naval vessel in Guantanamo Bay, in order to justify war with Cuba? No, neither Hanjour nor any other Muslim suicide pilot was at the controls of this plane.

and what about the cctv footage?can you see an american airlines plane?from 19 to 23 secs thats 4 seconds,a plane of that size should be visible,even at the so called speed it was going,the reason you do not because it was a incoming low to the ground laser guided missile of some type.maybe similar the one i have put on my posts.

and if you do some research, some eye witness accounts state a plane but not coming in at the same direction of what the official story states,maybe there was a plane to add as a distraction why the missile came in at the official story version,i will try and find the statements,they are on u tube some where and my other posts on this section.,and the statements come from cops and a few other credible witnesses.

[mynameis]

Scraps of what?confetti,

Glasses might help if you have vision problems, mate.

:)

[lightgiver]

Glasses might help if you have vision problems, mate.

:)

You are just clutching at straws,because your version of events may be wrong,and you are to proud to admit it?maybe you should not put demeaning comments on your quotes about other forum members till you get the proof.after all you may be wrong,and there is nought wrong with my vision matey its A1:p:D:D
Just get the full facts before you pass judgement.

[mynameis]

You are just clutching at straws,because your version of events may be wrong,and you are to proud to admit it?maybe you should not put demeaning comments on your quotes about other forum members till you get the proof.after all you may be wrong,and there is nought wrong with my vision matey its A1:p:D:D
Just get the full facts before you pass judgement.

Do you really want me to put up an image with all the scraps of debris circled just to shut you up?

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6379/debrisoy7.jpg

[lightgiver]

Do you really want me to put up an image with all the scraps of debris circled just to shut you up?

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6379/debrisoy7.jpg

That proves nothing,that could be building debris,

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=UEGvcDJYJaw

and what about all the cameras planted all over the pentagram??????????????

and from surrounding business the FBI so conveniently confiscated never to be seen again :confused::confused:

and you will never shut me up until the real truth comes out.

[mynameis]

That proves nothing,that could be building debris,

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=UEGvcDJYJaw

and what about all the cameras planted all over the pentagram??????????????

and from surrounding business the FBI so conveniently confiscated never to be seen again :confused::confused:

So you are an illiterate with reading comprehension problems? :D

There's scraps of something there on the lawn, but as far a those being from the plane, who knows?

[mynameis]

you will never shut me up idiot,until the real truth comes out.

LULZ! You thought I meant that literally. LMAO! Aren't you a sensitive one? Aren't you a defensive pup.
:D

[lightgiver]

So you are an illiterate with reading comprehension problems? :D

Why do you always start with personnel attacks when things are not going your way,for a person who posts about heads in a fish tank or whatever it was in, and about ghosts and hob goblins,i find it hard for you not to understand the possibilities that a plane did not hit the pentagram,due to the factor of there being little evidence,and the sheer numbers of others who have made videos and wrote books about this bizarre incident.

Lord i despair.

[mynameis]

Why do you always start with personnel attacks when things are not going your way,for a person who posts about heads in a fish tank or whatever it was in, and about ghosts and hob goblins,i find it hard for you not to understand the possibilities that a plane did not hit the pentagram,due to the factor of there being little evidence,and the sheer numbers of others who have made videos and wrote books about this bizarre incident.

Lord i despair.

I posted the news story out of general interest.

I'd tell you to go back and read the link, but it appears you can't.

[lightgiver]

LULZ! You thought I meant that literally. LMAO! Aren't you a sensitive one? Aren't you a defensive pup.
:D

No,i just want the truth,its a good job none of my aquaintness died on that day,you would hear be loud and clear.

i wonder why you find it so hard to believe:confused:

a little snippet from you mynameis,

Something strange in that for sure. I always wondered with the gnome sightings, ghost sightings, and now this; are we supposed to see these things? I know we are hard wired to make patterns where none normally exist, but this one is so uncanny. I am thinking water elemental, but that can't be real.

I do not know what you believe happened????

[mynameis]

No,i just want the truth,its a good job none of my aquaintness died on that day,you would hear be loud and clear.

i wonder why you find it so hard to believe:confused:

a little snippet from you mynameis,

Something strange in that for sure. I always wondered with the gnome sightings, ghost sightings, and now this; are we supposed to see these things? I know we are hard wired to make patterns where none normally exist, but this one is so uncanny. I am thinking water elemental, but that can't be real.

Yes. Where in that does it say I believe any of that story?

[lightgiver]

Yes. Where in that does it say I believe any of that story?

Do you believe a plane hit the pentagram yes or no?

[deckard]

Do you really want me to put up an image with all the scraps of debris circled just to shut you up?

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6379/debrisoy7.jpg

wow thats a lot of debris mate, when a plane really crashes anywhere there is like three quarters of a plane burning on the ground, not a dozen odd little bits scattered here and there, scattered..

[mynameis]

wow thats a lot of debris mate, when a plane really crashes anywhere there is like three quarters of a plane burning on the ground, not a dozen odd little bits scattered here and there, scattered..

Yea, you're right to think that, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that this is part of the plane's skin, as I stated before, who knows.

[lightgiver]

wow thats a lot of debris mate, when a plane really crashes anywhere there is like three quarters of a plane burning on the ground, not a dozen odd little bits scattered here and there, scattered..

crisp packet paper for all we know.

[mynameis]

crisp packet paper for all we know.

There could be more smaller bits that we can't see on the photograph.

[hw spartan]

Do you believe a plane hit the pentagram yes or no?

no.. it clearly is not a plain.... and even i can tell them that Lightgiver, and dont think im sticking up for LG, i just belive it was not a plain.
trust me, Lightgiver and any one else who say it was not a plain, is very correct.
and i say that, while i have a diffrent view, but even in my view, i will not say it was a plain,
people who think the pentagrame was hit by a plain, are either very stupid, or mossad style "lets throw childish questions" type attacks at people who can SEE it was no plain that hit the pentagram.
:)
enjoy

[mynameis]

no.. it clearly is not a plain.... and even i can tell them that Lightgiver, and dont think im sticking up for LG, i just belive it was not a plain.
trust me, Lightgiver and any one else who say it was not a plain, is very correct.
and i say that, while i have a diffrent view, but even in my view, i will not say it was a plain,
people who think the pentagrame was hit by a plain, are either very stupid, or mossad style "lets throw childish questions" type attacks at people who can SEE it was no plain that hit the pentagram.
:)
enjoy

Yep. Nobody knows what those are....yet.

[hw spartan]

Yep. Nobody knows what those are....yet.

i do...and it wasnt no plain, if thats the discusion here..
..but, i will never say it was a plain, i could of told you that, before it actaully colapsed, and was in one peice with a nice 3 meter hole, same as other end...so they blasted the rest down, threw some plain parts around, prooves it was not them, or they would of had the Real parts, instead of paniking and grabing the wrong plain bits.
you see, it is not what everyone thinks, and they win.:)

also, if nobody knows as you admit, why still say it was a plain?
anywho, i better not talk 9\11, cause my theory gets people killed, while every one else, is aloud to say"they did this to themselfs"
God forbid if any one says"Spartans talk on 9\11" is more a fact, than they did it to themselves.
yeh sure, some got killed, but more got killed, saying what i say on the other thread, wich im not saying here.... but to get back to this threads topic..
no, no plains hit the pentagrame.:)

[deckard]

Yea, you're right to think that, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that this is part of the plane's skin, as I stated before, who knows.

You only believe a PLANE crashed there because thats the government offical statement on what happenned, to believe otherwise, despite the mounting evidence, would bring horrible realitys for the average taxpayer, too terrible to face.
There simply is no video of a plane crashing into the building, from one of the most heavily secured and monitored places in the world, all video tape content from cameras on buildings or wherever around the pentagon was confiscated, and the containing footage has not been released to the public since.

Now dont you find that a little odd?

What have they got to hide?

If it was a plane flying in to hit the pentagon, then wouldnt they have just immediately released the footage of it doing so, from all these different angles?

The only evidence we have of something hitting the pentagon, is 5 frames of footage from a security camera on a gatehouse they missed.
The five frames does not show anything like a large plane hitting the building.

There are 24 frames in one second of video tape, or 25 if your in America the case here, thats less than quarter of a second of play.
So in other words you believe a huge object like a boeing jet aircraft, managed to cross the pentagon lawn in the camera shot, somehow not be seen at all in the milisecond of footage, and dissappear into the building somehow, without leaving hardly any wreckage outside..?

What the tape does show is a small white pointed nose entering the first frame( a boeing does not have that, it has a much larger, more rounded, also usually white nose, the only similarity here) then an explosion two frames later, whatever came through was so fast the camera couldnt pick it up, so wouldnt you say the above sounds, much more like a guided missle?

[3stepsahead]

yknow that chris crocker guy
he shouldve done a, leave the bush administration alone, video instead.

who knows?
we all know..

[lightgiver]

Psychological Operations (PSYOP, PSYOPS) are techniques used by military and police forces to influence a target audience's value systems, belief systems, emotions, motives, reasoning, and behavior. Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals, and are used in order to induce confessions, or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives. These are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics.

This concept has been used by military institutions throughout history, but it is only since the twentieth century that it has been accorded the organizational and professional status it enjoys now.

The word is commonly used by governments, such as the government of the United States, who do not wish to use the term propaganda or brainwashing to refer to their own work. The word propaganda has very negative connotations, and by calling it psychological operations instead, more sophisticated methods of psychological manipulation are accurately incorporated by the terminology. This euphemism for mind control is ironically an example of psychological operations -- i.e. using psychological techniques to persuade [manipulate] a large number of people to support something that they wouldn't normally support.

A psychological warfare campaign is a war of the mind. Your primary weapons are sight and sound. PSYOP can be disseminated by face-to-face communication, audio visual means (television), audio media (radio or loudspeaker), visual media (leaflets, newspapers, books, magazines and/or posters). The weapon is not how its sent, but the message it carries and how that message affects the recipient.

http://www.psywarrior.com/psyhist.html

I mean come on,its not hard to fool the masses is it now.


"I want to tell you something very clear. Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, October 2001

A precision hit all right. But… retired commercial airline / military pilot, Russ Wittenberg, who flew for Pan Am and United for over 30 years, piloted Flight 93 (Shanksville) and Flight 175 (South Tower) before 9/11. He says the alleged hijackers could not have flown those planes:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=o1eEHAs284Q

[mynameis]

You only believe a PLANE crashed there because thats the government offical statement on what happenned, to believe otherwise, despite the mounting evidence, would bring horrible realitys for the average taxpayer, too terrible to face.
There simply is no video of a plane crashing into the building, from one of the most heavily secured and monitored buildings in the world, all video tape content from cameras on buildings or wherever around the pentagon was confiscated, and the containing footage have not been released to the public since.

Now dont you find that a little bit odd?

What have they got to hide?
If it was a plane flying in to hit the pentagon, then wouldnt they just release the footage of it doing so from all these different angles?

The only evidence we have of something hitting the pentagon, is 5 frames of footage from a security camera on a gatehouse they missed.
The five frames does not show anything like a large plane hitting the building.

There are 24 frames in one second of video tape, or 25 if your in America the case here, thats less than quarter of a second of play.
So in other words you believe a huge object like a boeing jet aircraft, managed to cross the pentagon lawn in the camera shot, somehow not be seen at all in the milisecond of footage, and dissappear into the building somehow, without leaving hardly any wreckage outside..?
What the tape does show is a small white pointed nose entering the first frame( a boeing does not have that, it has a much larger rounded, usually white nose) then an explosion two frames later, whatever came through was so fast the camera couldnt pick it up, wouldnt you say the above sounds much more like a guided missle?

You don't know what I believe. I think the plane they said hit didn't hit, and I don't even know if it was a plane, we don't know what those pieces are on the ground. I'd rather not jump to conclusions like some are doing already.

[stannrodd]

Well ... anyway, during the early days of speculation about what hit the Pentagon if it wasn't a 757, then was it a cruise missile? a drone jet such as an F16 or an A3 Skywarrior ... so I looked into it and found this picture at the F16 forums picture gallery..

To me the object looked something like a hatch or a cowling . Seems to have a locking mechanism on one edge.

What we know is that something hit the Pentagon and it was supposed to be a 757. I don't believe that personally.

Here's an F16 showing a fuselage hatch..

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/afz.jpg

The part again

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/Mysterypart2.jpg

I'm not an aircraft engineer but have a reasonable knowledge of aircraft.

The question for me is .. is it 757 or not? I don't think it's F16.

The object looks much older than I would expect from a fairly new plane such as the 757. A3's also have hatches but I haven't found a useful photo yet.

Photo taken on 9/13 2001

Stann

[deckard]

You don't know what I believe. I think the plane they said hit didn't hit, and I don't even know if it was a plane, we don't know what those pieces are on the ground. I'd rather not jump to conclusions like some are doing already.

Those pieces on the ground are plane parts, but they are not burnt from any explosion, and some displayed for the public werent even the right parts for that plane.

This is how arrogant this government has become in America, the oversights can only be in my view deliberate, and done purposely.

Nobody could be so stupid, for something as huge as this, as to put the wrong parts out there on the lawn, and try to pass them off as from the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon.

Also nobody is jumping to any conclusions, its obvious its not a plane in the only video footage, only an idiot would think so, so what does that leave as an alternative mynameis?

hmm lets see, thinks really hard.. guided missle?
Guided missle, or could it be guided missle?

Or maybe its in fact a guided missle.

If you start using a bit of commonsense and logic, there really arent any conclusions to jump to at all, except for the completely obvious.

[mynameis]

Those pieces on the ground are plane parts, but they are not burnt from any explosion, and some displayed for the public werent even the right parts for that plane.

This is how arrogant this government has become in America, the oversights can only be in my view deliberate, and done purposely.

Nobody could be so stupid as to put the wrong parts out there on the lawn, and try to pass them off as from the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon.

Also nobody is jumping to any conclusions, its obvious its not a plane in the only video footage, only an idiot would think so, so what does that leave as an alternative mynameis?

hmm lets see, thinks really hard.. guided missle?
Guided missle, or could it be guided missle?

Or maybe its in fact a guided missle.

If you start using a bit of commonsense and logic, there really arent any conclusions to jump to at all, except for the completely obvious.

You have the right to believe it was a guided missile. I have the right to withhold my judgment until I see more evidence gathered to come to a conclusion. It could have been a special built UAV plane for all that we know.

[lightgiver]

This vid will give you an idea what was used,wait until the end of vid,make sure you watch it all,you will be surprised;)

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=GfvAN2ck3Go

We are trying to get to the truth of 911 for all those concerned.

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=GfvAN2ck3Go

[hw spartan]

Those pieces on the ground are plane parts, but they are not burnt from any explosion, and some displayed for the public werent even the right parts for that plane.

This is how arrogant this government has become in America, the oversights can only be in my view deliberate, and done purposely.

Nobody could be so stupid, for something as huge as this, as to put the wrong parts out there on the lawn, and try to pass them off as from the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon.

Also nobody is jumping to any conclusions, its obvious its not a plane in the only video footage, only an idiot would think so, so what does that leave as an alternative mynameis?

hmm lets see, thinks really hard.. guided missle?
Guided missle, or could it be guided missle?

Or maybe its in fact a guided missle.

If you start using a bit of commonsense and logic, there really arent any conclusions to jump to at all, except for the completely obvious.

you grabed my point, then missed the mark.... it prooves they didnt do it, it was a last minute"hide tha alien attack" type thing, or they can easerly had the right parts...trust me, its more than this.:cool:

[hw spartan]

This vid will give you an idea what was used,wait until the end of vid,make sure you watch it all,you will be surprised;)

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=GfvAN2ck3Go

We are trying to get to the truth of 911 for all those concerned.

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=GfvAN2ck3Go

again, why missle your self ,without the real parts on stand by....trust me, they where shocked that they where hit"by Aliens"
trust me.... they can had easerly the parts.

[hw spartan]

i belive the missle hit, was Alien....full stop, simply cause they are not stupid, to grab wrong plain parts, if it where themselves doing it:)

but they thought otherwise, and had to grab any parts quikly, before media get there, or the human investigators.

[lightgiver]

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2259/000alcm600032je5.jpg (http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=000alcm600032je5.jpg)

[deckard]

You have the right to believe it was a guided missile. I have the right to withhold my judgment until I see more evidence gathered to come to a conclusion. It could have been a special built UAV plane for all that we know.

Possibly, so we have missle or UAV, what else does that leave?

Not much.

[mynameis]

i belive the missle hit, was Alien....full stop, simply cause they are not stupid, to grab wrong plain parts, if it where themselves doing it:)

but they thought otherwise, and had to grab any parts quikly, before media get there, or the human investigators.

Why would aliens mask the attacks as airplanes and Al Qaeda, why wouldn't witnesses in NY see these aliens on the attack?

[deckard]

you grabed my point, then missed the mark.... it prooves they didnt do it, it was a last minute"hide tha alien attack" type thing, or they can easerly had the right parts...trust me, its more than this.:cool:

No, I think it was done on purpose to create the feeling of fear in the average American, that there is something wrong, and theres not much we can do about it.

[lightgiver]

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1193/alcmcruisemissilefc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[hw spartan]

Why would aliens mask the attacks as airplanes and Al Qaeda, why wouldn't witnesses in NY see these aliens on the attack?

1st, they didnt mask the attacks..thats my whole point, your leaders masked the attack, 1st as Arabs, then that they did it to themselves.
and you still did not answer the question
"if they did this to themselves(planned) why didnt they get the real parts?"

because they didnt do this to themselves, they paniced, big time, anyway, i see people dont get what im saying....ok, off i go from the thread
PS; it was Alien guided missle, even on the towers.
then 2 great laser shots on the top.
anyway..... its all cool, its not like i have the power to join them:)

[hw spartan]

No, I think it was done on purpose to create the feeling of fear in the average American, that there is something wrong, and theres not much we can do about it.

so, they knew, people like me, will dismiss both the arabs and themselves did it, and blundered a years in advance plan, by not haveing the right plain parts.
mmmmmmm very weird?
but like i said, "it aint what people think it is":)
carry on:eek:

[mynameis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqPvJE6RM00

[mynameis]

1st, they didnt mask the attacks..thats my whole point, your leaders masked the attack, 1st as Arabs, then that they did it to themselves.
and you still did not answer the question
"if they did this to themselves(planned) why didnt they get the real parts?"

because they didnt do this to themselves, they paniced, big time, anyway, i see people dont get what im saying....ok, off i go from the thread
PS; it was Alien guided missle, even on the towers.
then 2 great laser shots on the top.
anyway..... its all cool, its not like i have the power to join them:)

If they're alien, so who knows if and what they have for planning. The aliens could even be among us right now, if they exist lol.

[hw spartan]

If they're alien, so who knows if and what they have for planning. The aliens could even be among us right now, if they exist lol.

OMG, welcome to earth.
hahahaha

[mynameis]

OMG, welcome to earth.
hahahaha

If it was an alien attack its more like, "Hi we're aliens. Where the fuck was our welcome by your species? You told us to come here millions from light-years away."

[deckard]

If it was an alien attack its more like, "Hi we're aliens. Where the fuck was our welcome by your species? You told us to come here millions from light-years away."

Their not aliens mynameis, they are demons.

[lightgiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqPvJE6RM00

good video,yeah brings up a lot of questions,the american government aint answering.

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTsiLX3XbA

http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/2007/08/tv-911-airplane-fabrication.html

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=t9GYaUQyUxY

[helloperator]

lightgiver, me old China...how's it going?

Yes....so why hasn't anything officially happened yet...quite obviously there was no plane at the Pentagon...not the one reported.

What happened to those passengers?

Here's my theory...they were diverted to some secret place and put in a big warehouse and made to watch the unfolding events of 911 including their 'plane'...then some thugs with a lust for blood came in with swords and massacred them all in some sick perverted blood lust game.

[lightgiver]

lightgiver, me old China...how's it going?

Yes....so why hasn't anything officially happened yet...quite obviously there was no plane at the Pentagon...not the one reported.

What happened to those passengers?

Here's my theory...they were diverted to some secret place and put in a big warehouse and made to watch the unfolding events of 911 including their 'plane'...then some thugs with a lust for blood came in with swords and massacred them all in some sick perverted blood lust game.

I am just fine,yeah i would not put anything past these psychotic elites:eek:

i am off to zzzzz now,see ya round:)

[dave52]

I just read through this thread and, although you all appear to agree with each other - most of the thread was full of arguments and insults... classic :)

HW Spartan - if it was aliens, what was the point of their attack...? Or is this a "reptillian elite did it" viewpoint...?

[hw spartan]

I just read through this thread and, although you all appear to agree with each other - most of the thread was full of arguments and insults... classic :)

HW Spartan - if it was aliens, what was the point of their attack...? Or is this a "reptillian elite did it" viewpoint...?

mmm i reckon it was a warning, of future Attack.
the Aliens\Angels\Gods forces gave them a deadline, i belive it was 2003. but who what or why? is a diffrent story, wich leans towards the super natraull, even tho it was ALIEN, its not a easy point of veiw, but, i patient to say "they cant hide the next attack":)
but maybe im just crazy....:eek:

[stannrodd]

I just read through this thread and, although you all appear to agree with each other - most of the thread was full of arguments and insults... classic

I was born in 52........ totally agree dave ..

stann

[lightgiver]

I was born in 52........ totally agree dave ..

stann

Could you give an example,i would not exactly say it is full of insults,maybe a few arguments,what do you expect when we are all being lied to by TPTB,is it such a problem for debates to get heated,i do not think so,that is what you call FREE SPEECH,something we lack today in the age of big brother and political correctness IMHO,and i was born in 66,what difference does it make ,it makes none,sung in a smiths styley;)

911 was an inside job,whatever way they carried out the false flag operation.The elites are BAD.

[lightgiver]

I just read through this thread and, although you all appear to agree with each other - most of the thread was full of arguments and insults... classic :)

HW Spartan - if it was aliens, what was the point of their attack...? Or is this a "reptillian elite did it" viewpoint...?

Go to page 22 of The Biggest Secret;)

[stannrodd]

Could you give an example,i would not exactly say it is full of insults,maybe a few arguments,what do you expect when we are all being lied to by TPTB,is it such a problem for debates to get heated,i do not think so,that is what you call FREE SPEECH,something we lack today in the age of big brother and political correctness IMHO,and i was born in 66,what difference does it make ,it makes none,sung in a smiths styley;)

911 was an inside job,whatever way they carried out the false flag operation.The elites are BAD.

I guess the point is that the thread was hijacked mostly by sparring members who were not particularly interested in the topic.. That's OK .. I presented the image to this forum hopefully to indulge in some intelligent banter ..

Could you give an example

Since you asked ..
I refer you to page three .. it's simply bickering ..

Cheers
Stann

[lightgiver]

I guess the point is that the thread was hijacked mostly by sparring members who were not particularly interested in the topic.. That's OK .. I presented the image to this forum hopefully to indulge in some intelligent banter ..


Since you asked ..
I refer you to page three .. it's simply bickering ..

Cheers
Stann


Just a couple of posts,that's not bickering,just reminding folk no need to get personnel,and we are all far from perfect.

When you are debating mass murder,its not exactly like discussing sniffing roses,it is bound to get heated,also if you are dealing with immature comments,sometimes it happens,like i say none of us are perfect.:)

by the way have you come across any unidentified aircraft parts on your travels on the net:confused:

Nice one lg.

[stannrodd]

Let's move on ..

A couple of facts first.

That image is still currently displayed at Shelley Berkley's website .. save the site if you wish to corroborate that it was displayed there.

http://berkley.house.gov/legis/otr/p...2001_0913.html

It was removed at one point .. ? I don't recall when .. perhaps I should have taken notes at the time. there is this at the bottom of the page

Page Last Updated: 01/31/2007 This could be when the photo returned ??

The interesting thing about the photo for me at least.. is that it does/or did not appear in the DOD site about the Pentagon attack.. I can't find the damned link ..duh .. anyone ??

Ok from here I would like to speculate a little .. the general consensus from those studying the "attack" at the Pentagon is that Flight 77 did not impact the building (I am also of that opinion). Just so you know where I sit on the fence ..!

It's a bit of an enigma, this image.

The questions which arise for me are..

Why did it not appear in mainstream media or alternative media?

Why, since it is on that .gov website wasn't it noted as being some sort of evidence.

Where is that debris now.

If evidence of another attack vehicle other than a 757 is found through video or photographic media, and the debris IS from a 757 .. then it MUST have been planted.

If the debris is not from a 757, then what is it and why were we told that a 757 impacted the Pentagon. And why is this non 757 debris there ??

I'm not sure if I have articulated this very well.

At the end of the day it "should" be 757 debris .. planted or not.

The reason it is not in the DOD imagery perhaps is because it isn't 757 debris.

Why then is it still being displayed .. presumably as such.

Sorry guys but this one has got me flustered and I was hoping to logically sort through .. how to deal with it.

In the mean time perhaps some of you could save that website too .. perhaps it's the gift horse from an insider .. who knows.??

Stann

[mynameis]

wow thats a lot of debris mate, when a plane really crashes anywhere there is like three quarters of a plane burning on the ground, not a dozen odd little bits scattered here and there, scattered..

I should also point out the obvious here, it might help. What do we think is burning in the picture?

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6379/debrisoy7.jpg

[deckard]

I should also point out the obvious here, it might help. What do we think is burning in the picture?

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6379/debrisoy7.jpg

Its a tree.

[deckard]

Which gives the final proof, that it wasn't a plane.

[stannrodd]

@deckard

&

@mynameis

.. should I start a new thread ?

[deckard]

about what.

[stannrodd]

Let's move on ..

A couple of facts first.

That image is still currently displayed at Shelley Berkley's website .. save the site if you wish to corroborate that it was displayed there.

http://berkley.house.gov/legis/otr/p...2001_0913.html

It was removed at one point .. ? I don't recall when .. perhaps I should have taken notes at the time. there is this at the bottom of the page

Quote:
Page Last Updated: 01/31/2007
This could be when the photo returned ??

The interesting thing about the photo for me at least.. is that it does/or did not appear in the DOD site about the Pentagon attack.. I can't find the damned link ..duh .. anyone ??

Ok from here I would like to speculate a little .. the general consensus from those studying the "attack" at the Pentagon is that Flight 77 did not impact the building (I am also of that opinion). Just so you know where I sit on the fence ..!

It's a bit of an enigma, this image.

The questions which arise for me are..

Why did it not appear in mainstream media or alternative media?

Why, since it is on that .gov website wasn't it noted as being some sort of evidence.

Where is that debris now.

If evidence of another attack vehicle other than a 757 is found through video or photographic media, and the debris IS from a 757 .. then it MUST have been planted.

If the debris is not from a 757, then what is it and why were we told that a 757 impacted the Pentagon. And why is this non 757 debris there ??

I'm not sure if I have articulated this very well.

At the end of the day it "should" be 757 debris .. planted or not.

The reason it is not in the DOD imagery perhaps is because it isn't 757 debris.

Why then is it still being displayed .. presumably as such.

Sorry guys but this one has got me flustered and I was hoping to logically sort through .. how to deal with it.

In the mean time perhaps some of you could save that website too .. perhaps it's the gift horse from an insider .. who knows.??

Stann

[stannrodd]

This in the above post, was the direction I was attempting to venture ..

Stann

[lightgiver]

Just a reminder for peeps,could you put TITLE on your posts so the info can get be spread across the web, do you concur:confused:

No plane hit the pentagon,all the scraps you see,have been planted.

The elites are pulling the wool over your eyes like they have done for centuries.

[stannrodd]

Just a reminder for peeps,could you put TITLE on your posts so the info can get be spread across the web, do you concur:confused:

No plane hit the pentagon,all the scraps you see,have been planted.

The elites are pulling the wool over your eyes like they have done for centuries.

Hi LG,

Do you mean every post in a thread needs to be titled? Just curious.

Moving on ....

I agree somehow with your comment below ..

No plane hit the pentagon ..

.. but is this, on the basis that the plane (that didn't hit the Pentagon) you refer to, was Flight77. ( is that said correctly?)

Do you exclude any/all other aircraft too.

I don't know what hit the Pentagon, and feel fairly strongly that it wasn't Flight 77, a 757 passenger jet.

Was it an airborne attack vehicle for example, or an artillery shell. Sounds like a daft question I suppose, but sometimes when you ask a daft question you can get good results.

I'm not suggesting anything daft being discussed BTW.

I would just refer to the image I posted, and the enigma it produces in terms of peoples beliefs about 9/11 Pentagon attack.

Stann

[lightgiver]

Hi LG,

Do you mean every post in a thread needs to be titled? Just curious.

Moving on ....

I agree somehow with your comment below ..



.. but is this, on the basis that the plane (that didn't hit the Pentagon) you refer to, was Flight77. ( is that said correctly?)

Do you exclude any/all other aircraft too.

I don't know what hit the Pentagon, and feel fairly strongly that it wasn't Flight 77, a 757 passenger jet.

Was it an airborne attack vehicle for example, or an artillery shell. Sounds like a daft question I suppose, but sometimes when you ask a daft question you can get good results.

I'm not suggesting anything daft being discussed BTW.

I would just refer to the image I posted, and the enigma it produces in terms of peoples beliefs about 9/11 Pentagon attack.

Stann

I am not sure if every post as to be titled:confused:maybe,its on a sticky in the general section,at the top of page.

I personally believe it was a missile,and maybe a plane was used as a diversion tactic,there is a vid somewhere explaining this,and credible witnesses,ie police stating they saw a plane but not in the direction of the official story's claim,so if you put 1 and 1 together it starts to make sense,there is no way on earth on the security cam that was leaked shows a plane hitting the pentagram,it was a missile,you see it on the right hand of the screen,the tip of the missile,i have put some pics on my other posts to give you an idea;)and the dates also wrong on the vid.This is the link to the police statements http://www.vt911.org/Pentagon.htm
Evidence is easily planted in a world of smoke and mirrors.

Just watch, in plane site. 911 was a set up,big time.

[stannrodd]

Thanks LG re titles for each post.

In plane site ? .. yeah .. been there done that and most of the others too, and have distributed copies to many as well.

I totally agree that 9/11 was a huge setup to provide excuses for American Military action in the middle east. As to how it was actioned will no doubt be discussed for a very long time. Suffice to say that the official fairy tale is about as believable as Christpheras Concrete Core ..;) !!

Stann ;)

[lightgiver]

Nice one,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjCx-B6xjSY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuLQmonX1eo

[dangermouse]

Just a reminder for peeps,could you put TITLE on your posts so the info can get be spread across the web, do you concur:confused:

No plane hit the pentagon,all the scraps you see,have been planted.

The elites are pulling the wool over your eyes like they have done for centuries.

maybe one wants to remain anonymouse :D

[lightgiver]

maybe one wants to remain anonymouse :D

Maybe:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj6J7BBH6iU


MISSILE DAMAGE TO PENTAGON

Where are the bodies? Supposedly 100 Tons of steel and titanium alloy completely disintegrated, yet, government forensics teams claim to have identified 180+ bodies. This is just on 'paper'. No witnesses saw any bodies, no witnesses saw damage consistent with a 757 slamming onto the lawn and Pentagon. And Massive Pilot Irony Gone Unreported!
ALSO SEE TIMELINE TROUBLE

http://www.911lies.org/full_size_911_pentagon_attack_damage5.html

[merlincove]

i think it is obvious that it wasn't a larghe passenger airliner that hit the pentagon.

i have just watched loose change, and i would be far more concearned about flight 93 - apparently it was seen in cleveland making an emergency landing and whatever came down in that field in shanksville was not a plane, and there were no survivors!

We don't see or hear about that kinda thing on the news.

But we are told that four passenger airliners were used in terrorist attacks, and even if we say ok, the two planes that ploughed into the twin towers were in fact passenger jets (and it has been mooted that they may have been cargo planes) there are still # passengers on two planes, the pentagon and shanksville (flight 93) that remain unacounted for.

So what happened to these guys on those planes?

When you start to think about that the consequences are scarrier, perhaps, than being on a hi-jacked plane...

[oiram]

Pentagon always was my favored you seen this one yet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnzh-EyxKwc
About the video:
I have the found the proof of editing by the pentagon. There was another bit of footage that day that shows the missing 4 seconds that were edited out of the official Pentagon release. See the footage that shows the truth and the actual impact. NOTE: After watching this I realized that you can still see the shadow of the object over the lawn yet not the object. Watch the slow motion carefully! For more information:
http://www.911lies.org/full_size_911_pentagon_attack_damage5.html

--------------------------

This is quite something that people think so outside the box to investigate in this manner. This guy deserves kudos for something that really is so easily missed by most people but he caught it. Watch and realize that he clearly proves that frames have been removed by the MSM in order to further their propaganda of the 9/11 story.

They're discussing this one on the PP thread here
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=49074.msg223106#msg223106
and some are calling it into quesiton, but the fact that the frames missing are actually shown is needed to realize how the official story is pushed on us constantly. People who know what they're looking for need to do this kind of research and realize the holes in which exist in the official story and expose them.

Original Post: http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=58.msg8057#msg8057
Something like this a bit bigger!
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1193/alcmcruisemissilefc2.jpg
Helicopter view part gif
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/11/pentagon50.gif

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/11/pentagon20.gif

Maybe it's just me but.
What I don't get is the direction & angle of penetration looking at the helicopter view?
I found the problem the Image is mirror image once you look at the standard Video!
Just download the new one should looks right now & what a difference it makes!
http://www.911lies.org/images2/entrance_pentagon_missile_911.jpg
http://www.911lies.org/images2/camera_miss_this.jpg (http://www.911lies.org/full_size_911_pentagon_attack_damage5.html)
http://www.911lies.org/full_size_911_pentagon_attack_damage5.html

[merlincove]

Nice post Oram :-)

it also raises the question, if you were going to fly a plane into the pentagon, it is such a low lying building, surely diving in rather than a long trajectory, piloting around posts, trees etc is full of margins to err... that is if you were going to fly a plane in!

Rumsfield was aparently in his office on the other side of the building, whats the betting that there is a secure bunker access from his office?

[oiram]

Nice post Oram :-)

it also raises the question, if you were going to fly a plane into the pentagon, it is such a low lying building, surely diving in rather than a long trajectory, piloting around posts, trees etc is full of margins to err... that is if you were going to fly a plane in!

Rumsfield was aparently in his office on the other side of the building, whats the betting that there is a secure bunker access from his office?My question is when will these people face any court?
Most likely never because they are all brothers & sisters working for the same money changers!

[mynameis]

I don't think that footage is real. I think someone fabricated and put that online for getting hits to their channel on youtube.