David Icke -- Part of the problem??

[mystery]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?

[nathan30]

i agree, its not productive to just focus on the negative sides and we are feeding their enegy by doin so, but what it does do is create the awareness which, if your curious enough you'll look into further, so just remember guys, if the bad guys exist then so do the good guys. all will be revealed in time, just believe in good and love thyself and others. what happens in the world is irrelivant once you've opened your heart to the cosmo's. peace

[umbrex]

I agree. David Ickes solution to the problems we are facing are:

Sit down, do nothing but love. Without u the system dont work etc etc.
I mean; WTF m8!!!!

Originally i thought he was being sincere, but now. I don't know anymore. This whole court case giving him even more money, despite the fact that he probably is moving books like never before.
Maybe he blows all his money on monatomic gold.

And then there is this forum who obviously love to divulge into anything with REPS, Paris Hilton or some other retarded shit, then actually go on and read some of the very enlightened and usefull stuff.

My 5 cents.

[auron]

Bollocks! I'm listening to him now on the radio. Maybe you should!

http://www.bbsradio.com/towardthelight/toward_the_light.php

[nathan30]

yeah im listenin too, i like him, he his doing a lot of good, he's prmarily talkin to those who r still asleep. his tactic is to wake them up with a bang

[avatar]

Didn't he say at the beginning that he's finished his new book?

[andreadoria]

Hi guys,

just a small off-topic to ask if a good being could record David... i'm trying to connect to their server but it's full, and i get rejected... :confused:

[avatar]

I'm recording it, I'll post up a download link in about 40 minutes :)

[andreadoria]

I'm recording it, I'll post up a download link in about 40 minutes :)

:D YOU'RE A GIANT! :D

[i am all i am]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?

If this is what you truly believe, do you think that you are doing exactly the same thing with this, your first post ???


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[mystery]

If this is what you truly believe, do you think that you are doing exactly the same thing with this, your first post ???


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I'm just questioning that which seems incongruent with what David Icke teaches.

[i am all i am]

I'm just questioning that which seems incongruent with what David Icke teaches.

G'day Mystery.

And I am questioning what you have posted and you have avoided answering the the question.


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[gordonfreeman]

Should we resist. If the New World Order takes 'Action?'

David Icke will be the leader.

[telana]

David is just providing the forum under his name.Whether we discuss his "teachings" or understand them is up to us

[mystery]

G'day Mystery.

And I am questioning what you have posted and you have avoided answering the the question.


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I didn't quite understand what you meant to ask with that question. Can you rephrase it?

[i am all i am]

I didn't quite understand what you meant to ask with that question. Can you rephrase it?

G'day Mystery.

If you truly believe that talking about something that you perceive to be negative is not focusing on infinite love, then what you have written is exactly the same as what you have said that David Icke is doing. Do you think that this is, your first post, is creating a "better reality" without having focused upon infinite love ???


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[avatar]

It was being channeled way before Seth.

[john white]

It was being channeled way before Seth.

It is, in fact, as Old as the Universe. ALL spirtual paths contain this knowledge

Take the Judaic Religions: all based on Kabalah, which is, in fact, knowledge of how the Matrix is created

Of course, its takes a True Seeker to understand the knowledge and how it is being presented

Nonetheless, Gods message has always been consistant:

Love is the very foundation of Creation: there is nothing else, and it is without limit

[john white]

I'm just questioning that which seems incongruent with what David Icke teaches.

Your mistake is a basic one

Icke does not teach anything: he simply reports his journey of consciousness

The very notion of "teaching" is one you have created inside you

Only you can "teach" yourself anything: without co-operation with the information source, no learning of any kind can ever occur

It is a simple matter of free will

[john white]

And yeah, I'm looking forward to catching Icke's appearance on that show tonight: streaming was out of action

[december]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?


I agree with you, mystery, 100%.

We are here thank to David Icke.

Well, he is the one who ought to set an example. Correct?

And what kind of example does he set? Well, when people need money they simply GO TO WORK just like most of us do.

But what David Icke does? He does not go to work, but ASKS for money from people like us.

If I were him i would be running his "shows"/lectures every week to get these money.
But does he have any plans to do that?

Well, lets' see -


How can I get tickets to see davids lectures?

I have wanted to for a long time, but never have I seen any info on how to get them.

Thanx in advance

To add to Lookfar's post. There's nothing coming up soon but there might be one late this year or early next year possibly on the European mainland.

Nothing is planned so far. It's only at the idea stage.

Lookfar has kindly offered to organise the whole event! Just kidding LOL!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3951

[mystery]

G'day Mystery.

If you truly believe that talking about something that you perceive to be negative is not focusing on infinite love, then what you have written is exactly the same as what you have said that David Icke is doing. Do you think that this is, your first post, is creating a "better reality" without having focused upon infinite love ???


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G'day. :)

I see where you're coming from.

Aren't I doing the same exact thing which I'm accusing of Icke doing?

No, those aren't my perceptive lens which I'm reporting... their David Icke's..

I'm merely curious because it seems to me that he spends most of his time and energy on 'illusions' and problems when he also holds that 'Love is the only Truth' and we 'create our reality.'

[i am all i am]

.

"All of you go and read the Seth material now" is a demand brother, as is "go read it". Is this STS or STO ???

The Seth material is not the originator of this material.

Uni = one and mono = single. What differnce do you perceive in using one and not the other ???


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[mystery]

It just seems to me that he's part of the problem in his own conclusions.

[december]

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OK...
And how do YOU, i am all i am, plan to do that?

[i am all i am]

I agree with you, mystery, 100%.

We are here thank to David Icke.

Well, he is the one who ought to set an example. Correct?

And what kind of example does he set? Well, when people need money they simply GO TO WORK just like most of us do.

But what David Icke does? He does not go to work, but ASKS for money from people like us.

If I were him i would be running his "shows"/lectures every week to get these money.
But does he have any plans to do that?

Well, lets' see -

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3951

G'day December.

Wow, you obviously get a big thrill out of telling others what they should or should not be doing because you have done so again, and again, and again...

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[i am all i am]

OK...
And how do YOU, i am all i am, plan to do that?

I already have made a difference.


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[i am all i am]

G'day. :)

I see where you're coming from.

Aren't I doing the same exact thing which I'm accusing of Icke doing?

No, those aren't my perceptive lens which I'm reporting... their David Icke's..

I'm merely curious because it seems to me that he spends most of his time and energy on 'illusions' and problems when he also holds that 'Love is the only Truth' and we 'create our reality.'

G'day Mystery.

I made no reference to an accusation. Is this what you believe that you are doing, accusing David Icke ???

All of our reality is an illusion. David is merely showing how the illusion has been created to maintain the enslavement of humanity. The references to infinite love is the solution to freedom.

Being curious myself, how is it that you know that David "spends most of his time and energy on 'illusions' and problems" ???


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[auron]

I would really recommend you guys to listen to David's interview. I'm now looking for a link! You will discover that he is not "full of shit", and I'm sure you'll feel the same after listening to him!

Auron :)

[awakensong]

Uni = one and mono = single. What differnce do you perceive in using one and not the other ???

I just wanted to state my own perspective on this, since it has come up for discussion (?)

To me "uni"verse is One for All, and All for one; whereas "mono"verse is "Every man for himself" and "It's all about me".

BTW, my understanding of the definition of the whole word "Universe" is "One Song". So perhaps "Monoverse" would be "My (Separate) Song"?

[ah42]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?
Hi, Mystery.
From your post, I get the feeling that you don't understand what is giong on here. The point of raising awareness of "infinite love" is that we are all an expressionof that concept. We are hologrphically a part of all that is, therefore we contain and can potentially recreate the whole(all that is/ infinite love) from any one of its "parts". The answer to the problems we see in this hologram (illusion) is that we realise this and act accordingly. We are attempting to understand and apply ourselves to this concept to make a difference and solve the problem. If however we don't percieve a problem, we dont seek an answer to it. We have been manipulated into these problematic scenarios by "forces" that are trying to control us and feed off the energy created in our ignorance of reality, namely fear and misdirected energies, be they positive or negative. The only answers to problems we are given by them are the answers they want us to accept. The problems they create distract us from the REAL problem, i.e that we are not aware of our true existence, our holographic expression of "infinite love". People like David Icke are attempting to raise awareness of this situation which the populace would not have otherwise realised existed, so it is necessary to go into as much detail as possible in order to provide convincing evidence."proof". It is up to you what you do with the information. You can examine it intellectually and either discard it though lack of evidence, or examine the evidence and decide that it is valid. I appreciate that you have questions and would agree that these concepts should be questioned, but It will take a long time for you to understand fully as there are thousands of years worth of "evidence" to get through. Good luck.

[ah42]

I just relised that the previous post was my 33rd!!!! Do I get my "33 degree" apron. rolled up newspaper and knotted hankerchief now?:D

[king]

I think that once you are truly awakened, once you find YOUR OWN WAY -- then you will understand that what “gurus” think – does not matter much as what you think, what you feel and what you already know.
See, easiest thing is to point a finger and say that another person is wrong.

Sure Icke is not always right, sure he has certain beliefs, but all humans do don’t they?

but, once you get to know your self -- you do not really care what Icke or other researchers say. because, once you have that connection with the universal force -- you will rely lot more on that and your own intuition, than what some “guru” is preaching.


the way i see it, even Michael Moore or Noam Chomsky have their purpose.
and their purpose is to help those who are going through very first level of awakening.

Are those two doing the good job? Personally, I do not think so. They are not risking much, are they? So, are they as brave, as altruistic and as awakened as average person on this forum?
You be the judge. I have more respect for those people like Icke who went against grain and who unbeknownst to him was setup with fake reptilian agenda, or Bill Cooper who was setup with “alien invasion” agenda.
BTW, Bill Cooper may have spoiled long planned Alien Invasion. Cooper was a man who decided to be true to himself, who loved the truth and as a result – he exposed the U.F.O. hoax and how they set him up.

Anyways, let’s say you are on 3rd level of awakening and you can see lot more than you were able to see before, you can see through the veil, and if you are lucky -- you may even understand some exoteric levels better than major of conspiracy researchers, most of them who seem to be stuck in 1st or second level of awareness.
So, aren’t you lucky?

i consider my self lucky that I was able to move freely through my awakening process without need for a guru. with time, you begin to understand that there is a purpose for each of us here, and that a most important service is to give something back to the universe
because the universe gave you a lot already. And by doing so – you will receive something even more valuable in return.

And, how do you do that?
by concentrating on what positive changes you can make, by doing something that can help humanity. A dollar or a few to homeless, a smile here and there, a compliment or two, an advice, a kiss, a hug, "I like you" or "Love you". Or just write in your email “you are a cool person” when it is called for and see what you will create.

once i understood this simple principle – a lot changed for me.
I am creating … whatever my thoughts are.

Anyways, i can sit on my ass shivering what Bush and Blair and other NWO hacks have planned for us, or i can use all tools that i am given to make changes towards the world that I want to see. And if you do the same – world already begins to be a better place. Imagine if millions do the same?
house of manipulation would fail in a instant.


that is what "creating of reality" is all about.

Man, I was so stupid for not realizing how simple is this; the very first step
in reality creation is what is inside my mind -- the thought.

if i believe that world would turn into a desolate land and that we will live in world of Mad Max, and if rest of you buy into it as well -- then such world will come to existence.

But, if I watch the same Mad Max movie and i make determination that THAT will not be my world, and you come to same conclusion -- then such world will not come to existence, it will be kind of like rejected business plan.

So, I know why I am here and I know what I have to do.

And, please do not think that I am agreeing with all what conspiracy researchers like Icke are saying. Actually because of certain things that Icke was pushing at the time (evil ET lizards) i had to reevaluate my beliefs, this has propelled me to the next level of awareness, and next self reevaluation has propelled to yet another level.

so, even Michael More can awaken some people and most likely that is his purpose,
to awaken the worse case skeptics, those who are in deep sleep, to plant the seeds.

Many of us are not only learning bit also helping other people with their awakening process, and I am sure that one day soon we will have even more important jobs to do.

Even if you help awaken just one person -- you have done a good deed, not only for that person but for the humanity, but you also have helped yourself grow a bit.

what greater gift can you give someone than gift of self liberating knowledge , together with your love? What greater gift for you and your family, your friends is than to give them some love in a world that lacks love?

last thing I want to do is to reincarnate here, to go to another learning process because i did not learn anything on this blue rock this time around.

[king]

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[premasai]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?

The answer could be very simple. Why is David Icke this way? Because it is his intention to lead us toward a path with no exit.
Icke refuses to seek for Infinity, moreover he denies It when he finds it on his way.
Another MIS-LEADER!!!

[the festival spirit]

Oh Isn't this fun!
Great thread

The learning curves are steep on this one.

[i_am]

Oh Isn't this fun!
Great thread

The learning curves are steep on this one.

I was just having similar thoughts myself. I am not having a go at the person who started it as I can see where they are coming from. I don't agree but I see. You can agree without attacking anyone and you can disagree by stating how you see it, calmly and concisely.

It has become this way in so many threads lately. There is no deep and meaningful discussion. Just personal attacks. If 'we' are not attacking some author or purveyor of the truth (according to their beliefs) 'we' are attacking each other. There are a few people here who hijack these threads for whatever reason it is that gives them their jollies. There is an easy solution. IGNORE THEM! Don't even try to win an argument with them. It is pointless! They don't care. They are just taking you away from the topic and getting people all riled up. Guess What? They have then achieved their goal.

[the festival spirit]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

You already have the answers to your questions Mystery, The main answer is in your own statement " but I've been wondering:" If YOU always fixate on the problems then that is your problem.


If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

IT Isn't going to help at all,

You already have the answers to your questions Mystery, The main answer is in your own statement " but I've been wondering:" If YOU always fixate on the problems then that is your problem.


What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Yes the truth is what WE ALL should be focusing on, See you are getting there ALREADY and you were not even aware of it....... in the slightest

You already have the answers to your questions Mystery, The main answer is in your own statement " but I've been wondering:" If YOU always fixate on the problems then that is your problem.


Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

See you are getting there ALREADY and you were not even aware of it....... in the slightest. Yes you would be contributing, WE ALL should be focusing on, Infinite LOVE, it's the only truth, but you knew that my friend, I hope you still like David Icke, He has taught you much friend.

You already have the answers to your questions Mystery, The main answer is in your own statement " but I've been wondering:" If YOU always fixate on the problems then that is your problem.


If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?

It Isn't, If any thing it is Exactly the opposite, To prove to you that you already know.

I don't know how old you are mystery, but its obvious you are young and unaware of the pain and suffering that comes with Arthritis, I suspect your elder family members are all none arthritis sufferers. Some of us don't wait till we are elderly, It can happen at ANY AGE, I hope you dont get it too soon. But from now on you will always go out of your way to make sure you never injure any of your bones or joints, or knock them or bang them when you throw yourself on the settee or the floor in front of the video game or pc, I could go on and on........


I agree. David Ickes solution to the problems we are facing are:

Sit down, do nothing but love. Without u the system dont work etc etc.
I mean; WTF m8!!!!


;) Try it sometime.


Originally i thought he was being sincere, but now.


I don't know anymore.


The first respectful thing you have said on this thread

To know you dont know is one of the first massive steps to waking up!


This whole court case giving him even more money, despite the fact that he probably is moving books like never before. Maybe he blows all his money on monatomic gold.


I don't know how old you are umbrex, but its obvious you are young and unaware of the pain and suffering that comes with Arthritis, I suspect your elder family members are all none arthritis sufferers. I could go on and on,

I knew I was going to have fun, I really mean all this with sincere intentions, We all have amazing abilities to learn in many, many ways, dont knock them until you have tried them please.

[the festival spirit]

I was just having similar thoughts myself. I am not having a go at the person who started it as I can see where they are coming from.

Pleased to meet you i_am,

No-one was having a go, unless you know different, everyone is entitled to ask in their own way, everyone is entitled to answer in their own way.


I don't agree but I see.

Now I like that way of Solution


You can agree without attacking anyone and you can disagree by stating how you see it, calmly and concisely.

I agree


It has become this way in so many threads lately. There is no deep and meaningful discussion. Just personal attacks.

Are you 100% certain ;)


If 'we' are not attacking some author or purveyor of the truth (according to their beliefs) 'we' are attacking each other.

lol :cool:


There are a few people here who hijack these threads for whatever reason it is that gives them their jollies. There is an easy solution.

Yes I agree, that it is easy and 'it' is more like your first solution than your second!


IGNORE THEM! Don't even try to win an argument with them. It is pointless! They don't care. They are just taking you away from the topic and getting people all riled up. Guess What? They have then achieved their goal.

did they ? .... I just knew I was going to have fun, Please lets all get together and do it again soon ;)

No-one was having a go, everyone is entitled to ask in their own way, everyone is entitled to answer in their own way. If I could have a signature that was about 42 lines long I would add to it,

Love Peace, Respect.

[the festival spirit]

The answer could be very simple. Why is David Icke this way? Because it is his intention to lead us toward a path with no exit.
Icke refuses to seek for Infinity, moreover he denies It when he finds it on his way.
Another MIS-LEADER!!!

Snigger,

I have already had more than my fair share,

Love Peace and RESPECT

[i_am]

Pleased to meet you i_am,

No-one was having a go, unless you know different, everyone is entitled to ask in their own way, everyone is entitled to answer in their own way.

ummmm!! I didn't say anyone was. I said I wasn't. A tad different, methinks

No-one was having a go, everyone is entitled to ask in their own way, everyone is entitled to answer in their own way.

ummmm!! I didn't say anyone was. I said I wasn't. A tad different, methinks.

I think there is an echo in here. I think there is an echo in here.

and now that we are completely off topic.............

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[the festival spirit]

ummmm!! I didn't say anyone was. I said I wasn't. A tad different, methinks
ummmm!! I didn't say anyone was. I said I wasn't. A tad different, methinks.

A tad different to what, what I said ;) I never said anyone was having a go, :) I said no-one was, are you arguing about us agreeing ?


I think there is an echo in here. I think there is an echo in here.

and now that we are completely off topic.............


yep, lol, sorry mystery. I proper like this forum.


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[andreadoria]

I agree with you, mystery, 100%.

We are here thank to David Icke.

Well, he is the one who ought to set an example. Correct?

And what kind of example does he set? Well, when people need money they simply GO TO WORK just like most of us do.

But what David Icke does? He does not go to work, but ASKS for money from people like us.

If I were him i would be running his "shows"/lectures every week to get these money.
But does he have any plans to do that?

Well, lets' see -

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3951

Well, it's pretty much clear your envy for what David is doing. GO TO WORK means KEEP CONTINUE TO BE A SLAVE. KEEP CONTINUE TO SLEEP SHEEPLE. But what if people like me, begin to wonder themselves if this does makes any sense? So why we all work but we all are unhappy? More money and more career should bring us all to be very happy, but we're not! All my friends that have millions of Euros, have some kind of mind disease. They spend everything, and more they spend, more they are unhappy and build some kind of "their" realities through chemicals/drugs etcetera. I know one that destroy a Ferrari every 3 months, and the funny part is that he likes to do! So explain me that! They should be happy! But they are not!

I didn't know David until i've understood by myself all this crap, and i had a time i was spending a lot of money too, because it was so easy for me to gain (i'm musician). More i was spending and more i was sick. Then i began to wonder if it wasn't because of the money, and i've understood by myself that HELL YES! I'm FREE now, and when i gain something i pretend to have nothing, and i convince myself that I HAVE NOTHING. That's why what David says makes a lot of sense. You're consciousness will rebel one day.

[edelweiss pirate]

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

The original supposition of this thread is incorrect... Icke at no point says 'we're doomed' or anything like it...

He might say 'we're doomed unless we do something about it..'

That's very different...

[limelady]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?


Is David Icke part of the problem?

Yes, in so much as we are ALL part of the problem.
David is a man, and ordinary man bringing forth an extraordinary
message. But he is no more the problem than we are. He simply
speaks his truth.

The rest is up to us.

[batavia]

....
Icke does not teach anything: he simply reports his journey of consciousness

The very notion of "teaching" is one you have created inside you

Only you can "teach" yourself anything: without co-operation with the information source, no learning of any kind can ever occur

It is a simple matter of free will

"he simply reports his journey of consciousness"
that is it for me!

[celtic isis]

Didn't he say at the beginning that he's finished his new book?

hope so!!! Mind you i'm trying to read another 3 at the same time right now lol not easy to get the full icke experience...

omg avatar, you have the coolest funniest avatar i've ever seen lol

Just to say i agree with what limelady said, the rest is up to us, Icke has been through a hell of a lot doing what he does, and omg to say that he dosen't work...What? lol of course he works, he's a writer, that's a job lol Why should he have to be any different to other writer's in how he earns his living?


I've tried to do little things, not onthe scale of icke obviously to wake people up and bloody hell that almost gave me an ulcer, not to mind what icke must go through on a daily basis!

Plus this thread has already been done, it's "is david Icke part of the illuminati?".


Who cares anyway 'if icke is part of the problem', it doesn't change anything about what's going on in the world...we just have to stop the NWO that's it, as lime said, that's up to us, not following icke or jones or tsarion or whoever, they just point us in a direction, which always leads back to the NWO...and that's what has to be stopped!
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[the festival spirit]

I meant to say Respect to King, AH42 and andreadoria for getting in there before me.

[celtic isis]

Didn't he say at the beginning that he's finished his new book?

i hope so!!! :D Mind you i'm trying to read another 3 at the same time right now lol not easy to get the full icke experience...:D

omg avatar, you have the coolest funniest avatar i've ever seen lol :D

Just to say i agree with what limelady said, the rest is up to us, Icke has been through a hell of a lot doing what he does, and omg to say that he dosen't work...What? lol of course he works, he's a writer, that's a job lol Why should he have to be any different to other writer's in how he earns his living?


I've tried to do little things, not onthe scale of icke obviously to wake people up and bloody hell that almost gave me an ulcer, not to mind what icke must go through on a daily basis!

Plus this thread has already been done, it's "is david Icke part of the illuminati?".
:confused:

Who cares anyway 'if icke is part of the problem', it doesn't change anything about what's going on in the world...we just hav to stop the NWO that's it, as lime said, that's up to us, not following icke or jones or tsarion or whoever, they just point us in a direction, which always leads back to the NWO...and that's what has to be stopped!

sorry guys don't knwo what happened with my posting there DOH!

[i_am]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?

Back on topic ;)

Hi mystery,

I don't believe we are doomed. Why not? Because more and more people are awakening to the truth. Now, whilst I believe that Infinite love is THE TRUTH and the ultimate reality to which we aspire, we are still trapped in this 3d experiment.

We could live in fairyland and believe that all will be well without any assistance from us or we could open our eyes and see that there is an agenda to keep us trapped. I believe that becoming fixated on that agenda only, is giving it energy. BUT if we are aware of that agenda, accept that it is there and refuse to give it energy, we can then place our energy where it is needed to raise the vibration of the planet to critical mass, where we can make that quantum leap beyond this reality, with Love.

Maybe the forum is centred as you say around negative stuff because that is where people need to be. How many will then go on to threads such as ascension and the like. You need to be able to see the illusion for what it is, process it and realising how far out it is, the other subjects don’t seem that way out. It works both ways actually. With me the spiritual stuff came first and through delving deeper and deeper into the origins of things I came across the games being played. It was like a light turning on and I really think that is possibly the better way because the anger that is sometimes associated with discovering the manipulation, was missing because I already was in a peaceful place.

It is a holographic puzzle and it does all make sense as you study the whole.


"every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole.
The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has laboured under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart something constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made; we will only get smaller wholes"

[tru3]

Hi, Mystery.
From your post, I get the feeling that you don't understand what is giong on here. The point of raising awareness of "infinite love" is that we are all an expressionof that concept. We are hologrphically a part of all that is, therefore we contain and can potentially recreate the whole(all that is/ infinite love) from any one of its "parts". The answer to the problems we see in this hologram (illusion) is that we realise this and act accordingly. We are attempting to understand and apply ourselves to this concept to make a difference and solve the problem. If however we don't percieve a problem, we dont seek an answer to it. We have been manipulated into these problematic scenarios by "forces" that are trying to control us and feed off the energy created in our ignorance of reality, namely fear and misdirected energies, be they positive or negative. The only answers to problems we are given by them are the answers they want us to accept. The problems they create distract us from the REAL problem, i.e that we are not aware of our true existence, our holographic expression of "infinite love". People like David Icke are attempting to raise awareness of this situation which the populace would not have otherwise realised existed, so it is necessary to go into as much detail as possible in order to provide convincing evidence."proof". It is up to you what you do with the information. You can examine it intellectually and either discard it though lack of evidence, or examine the evidence and decide that it is valid. I appreciate that you have questions and would agree that these concepts should be questioned, but It will take a long time for you to understand fully as there are thousands of years worth of "evidence" to get through. Good luck.

nice response.

the title on the masthead says, "exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real."

ime, understanding begins with acceptance. until i accept that most of what i learned from my folks, my chums, my psuedo-daddy (the "fearless leader" of the moment), is an illusion at best, a betrayal at worst, i will never drop my limiting beliefs. the mind is built to believe in something; even nihilism is a belief system.

to use a crude analogy, if i am stranded in the middle of the desert and i have a map, the map is useless until i can find an orienting landmark. i have to know my own position on the map before i can move toward water and shelter. unfortunately, because most of what i learned as a young person was a lie, until i really accept how much i have been in denial and how deep the deception is, i can never really orient myself toward truth.

so, i feel d.i. has done an invaluable service for me. what i do with that is indeed up to me.

[thirdwave]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?


Ok this is how I see it.

There are more people out there looking into all this info that dwell on the Illuminati than David Icke actually does and that people that admire his work do...

Now lets not forget... yes we create our reality... and up un till now look at what we have created.... we have created the illumianti and we have given them their power.... the big fuck up is the masses don't know this.... you have created them into your life as I have mine.... and it certainly was not due to us being aware of it that created it.... most of there work was done while we were all "asleep"... now more are aware, look how much weaker they look and see through.... look at the state of the Iraq war and how little they are being able to manipulate the masses compared to how they used to be able to...

when you get what David is really on about (which most don't, and im not assuming you don't) you see that he is not dwelling on them.... he is infact trying to show people how powerless they are..... but in order to show people how much power they have you need to try and show them why they feel so powerless to start with... you cant have a heart opp until you know what's wrong with it......

If someone is already aware of the elite and what they are up to I don't think David would not bang on about it to you.... When I met him he did not bring them up once... he was more into the spirituality of the place and stuff...

now If David was telling us all "we are doomed and look at how much power they have...... then yes he would indeed be focusing on the negative... but he is not... he is merely letting people know WHAT THEY are creating and that they could change it "Over Night" ....

I have friends who are very clued up and have an arrogance about being so aware... but to me this is just like the masons... they don't want to help the masses...enjoy them as sheep while they breath in the good stuff.... I want to try and wake the sheep up, I don't think one should claim knowledge for ones self and use it to have advantage over others... I think knowledge if for everyone and should be pushed out to everyone ...good and bad.

I feel people really don't get the idea with the LOA ..... the point you are bringing up is assuming that we have not already created the problem ...and we just need to forget about it.... no.... we have made the tree grow due to our ignorance... and we allow it to grow due to our fear..... to change it we need to open our eyes... see it and learn to deal with it in a mature way.... and we need to evolve so it does not create more of it....

yes we know about it.... no we should not dwell on the negative...we should feel positive we can see the wrong doings and feel we have the power to change it..... and this is what I feel David Is trying to do and why he gets my full support....

[chandrakavi]

The way I see it David Icke does the following things, showing these different scenarios:

A) SHOWS EVERYONE THE PROBLEM, i.e. the illuminati and what they are doing

B) THE WAY OUT TO THE SOLUTION (You can't find a way out if you don't know the problem, can you?)

C) How we without being aware are supporting this, and if we stop doing it,
the illuminati power will fall, because they are the few, and we are THE MANY.

D)How they have fooled everyone in believing we are bodies with no soul, how they have dIsconected people into thinking in a limited way,
and how people should go back to be fully ourselves"

David Icke says: "WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONDITIONED TO CLOSE DOWN THEIR CONCIOUSNESS THEY DELINK FROM THEIR ETERNAL SOUL AND ALL THE LOVE,
WISDOM,KNOWLEDGE AND INSPIRATION WAITING TO BE TAPPED. IT IS NOT
THAT WE NEED TO SEEK ENLIGHTENMENT---WE ARE ENLIGHTENED.
WE JUST NEED TO REMOVE THE BARRIERS OF FEAR WHICH DISCONNECT US
FROM OUR OWN ENLIGHTENMENT OUTSIDE THE 'EGG SHELL' ".

Don't get stuck in reading or watching ONLY books and DVDs about the problem,
read and also pay attention to the solution ,the way out, which is up to us individually, if you don't do this ,then we become the problem, you can't blame anyone in the outside world, not David Icke or anyone else. If we change inside of us, that will be reflected in the outside world.

This is probably HIS PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION,
KNOW THE PROBLEM, have people react to this, but unlike what politicans do solving this themselves , WE SOLVE THE PROBLEM, NOT THEM
THE SOLUTION IS ENTIRELY UP TO US,
ONCE WE KNOW THE PROBLEM, WE CAN FOCUS ON THE POSITIVE ENERGIES ,like in David's book I AM ME I AM FREE.
This way the NWO or should we call the OLD WORLD ORDER?
will need us more, and we will not need them anymore,
It will be the process of awakening to a new dawn.

INFINITE LOVE TO ALL

[zaira]

mystery,

Brilliant questions, every one of them. I too am concerned about the damage David might be inadvertently doing to his own reality - and his health.

I too am of the belief that we create our own reality and that each of us live in a world of our own making.

I also like to think of myself as being very open minded…. I will take onboard all the information available and, since I trust my instincts, intuition and inner knowing, I choose to believe only that which rings true to the deepest part of my soul and this is what I allow to become a part of my reality.

Right now, after coming across a book of David Icke’s by accident, and reading it out of curiosity no more, I am simply doing my research and exploring some of his ideas.

[zaira]

nathan30,

"i agree, its not productive to just focus on the negative sides and we are feeding their energy by doing so, but what it does do is create the awareness which, if your curious enough you'll look into further, so just remember guys, if the bad guys exist then so do the good guys. all will be revealed in time, just believe in good and love thyself and others. what happens in the world is irrelevant once you've opened your heart to the cosmos."

I agree one hundred percent.

Let us put it into perspective, people.

[zaira]

giftfromgoduk,

I believe we create our own reality.

I have also read the Seth material.

Here is something you might be interested in.

The Masterkey System free on line -
http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekTMKSContents.html

[zaira]

awakensong,

Yes, 'Universe' does interpret as 'one song'. The problem is so many of the major notes need quite a bit of fine tuning, or may even have to be rethought altogether.

[albie]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?

I had the same feeling. In his earlier books he talks about the earth falling down the frequencies (something he's dropped now, even though he was so convinced of it at the time) and I came away thinking it was all hopeless.

I think he's gone for a cheerier angle now. All you have to do is know it's not real.

When you die and see Vishnu telling you to go back...tell him to £uck off.

[lifeofbrian]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?

People tend to fear the unknown. It is why they research. To end the fear. Be more in 'control' of their 'reality'. A lot of people are walking talking monitors of what other people get up to. Research is often nothing but gossip.

Call me crazy but my impression of David back in the day was of a man wanting to make sense of what was happening to him. To know what, how and why. Basic psychological reaction.

Some folks would rather not know anything which would place them in a dilemma of the moral kind, or any other. They fear the unknown too in a sense. Fear of change, being mistaken, having to look closer to home, all that.

So what if people get freaked out by David Icke and his stuff. They can move on and pick another belief system. If they break a leg they can ignore it and not focus on the 'negative illusion' which is their broken leg.

[thirdwave]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like David Icke.

I support what he's doing and I'm sure he's got the best intentions.. but I've been wondering:

If we all create our reality then how is always fixating on the problems about how we're doomed going to help create a better reality?

What is the point of going into such detail about the reptilians and the whole conspiracy... if Love is the Only Truth? Isn't the Truth what we should be focusing on?

Aren't we only contributing to reinforce the reality that the 'reptilians' want for us by focusing on all the negative things and not Love (if its the only truth)?

Also, it's been egging me how the forum topics are set up. Fear-based topics like Big Brother/Microchipping and Illuminati get your attention first... while "What Can We Do" and "Nature of Reality" are all the way on the bottom as if they're insignificant.

If 'Infinite Love is the Only Truth and Everything Else is Illusion' then why is the forum centered around feeding into the illusions?


With all due respect I find this crazy.... I'm not trying to have a go here but its hard to explain this ...

I am a strong believer (as is Icke) in that we create our own reality.... and we are all living in an amazingly huge and powerful program of when we can be programmed or program....

however.... the vast majority of people do not understand this or have any concept of it, there for they are simply being programmed and playing the part of someone else's program.... because they are being fooled into creating the lives they have...even if its not in their interests...

So we have choices to make

1, don't bring up any of the hideous truths around us that are allowed to be created due to the ignorance of the masses and the greed of a small few with lots of knowledge, in the attempt not to bring any fear mongering into their lives ???... in other words let them slip the knife into their numbed down heads as if you tell them they will not like it and would rather have the knife sink into their brain.

2, bring the problem to peoples attention, and while they sink into shock of how awful some of these people can be and why they do it..and HOW they have done it... we can sit down and explain to them the error in our ways and the power that most have no idea they have... and with this hope that they take that inspiration to use the power they have to prevent the manipulation that has brought upon the problem we have.

The latter is what Icke is doing and what I support....

Its a case of do we care for our selfs or the world.... we could take care of our own souls and keep us tidy for the next school.... or we can make an effort to make this world more effective.... ignoring the shit we have created wont make this world any better because ignoring something is simply allowing it.... to fix something you don't ignore it.... if you are un fit and want to get fit... you wont get fit by ignoring your lack of fitness..... you think about it with a positive and enthusiastic energy and you make your self fitter.

its hard to tell people that they live in a zoo and many are used at a whim by evil bastards with out bringing fear into the picture.... but its how you deal with that fear that has the effect, do you let the fear win and kneel and let it be? .... or do you find the way to beat it and hence prevent any further manipulation....

I find you are contradicting your self a bit..... if you are aware of the bad things then you have helped create them as much as you can help prevent them..... no point running away with ignorance when you see how much milk you split.