Do You Drink Milk? 28 Things You Should Know.

[infin8_possibility]

Calves are tied down in dark cramp conditions and isolated away from there mother. But it makes the veal meat taste nice and tender for carnivorous humans... :mad: :(

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SBBFTpTMUbc&feature=related

[dingly]

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[zedd]

I don't get why people are so anti meat eating. Look in the mirror and check out those things in your mouth. Do you know why they are not shaped like those found in pure plant eating animals? Why your teeth are not completely flat? It's so you can eat some meat with your vegetables.

[element]

I don't get why people are so anti meat eating. Look in the mirror and check out those things in your mouth. Do you know why they are not shaped like those found in pure plant eating animals? Why your teeth are not completely flat? It's so you can eat some meat with your vegetables.

Where are the claws? Because of 2 a little bit more sharp teeth you NEED to be a meat eater?

Anyway, go back to cave living, if you want to..

[nolan13]

Where are the claws? Because of 2 a little bit more sharp teeth you NEED to be a meat eater?

Anyway, go back to cave living, if you want to..

Personally I disagree. I like to eat meat, although I am cutting back on it lately. Thats largely due to me knowing more about Hormones and the upcoming codex alimentarius though. The other thing is, we can't impose this to anyone. We are natural omnivores. What we can and should do is treat animals like animals and not like slaves. Let them have a good life with as much freedom as possible.

[infin8_possibility]

I don't get why people are so anti meat eating. Look in the mirror and check out those things in your mouth. Do you know why they are not shaped like those found in pure plant eating animals? Why your teeth are not completely flat? It's so you can eat some meat with your vegetables.

Vegetarians/vegans are not strictly "vegetable" eaters, we eat a variety of foods that for your information needs in some case vigorous chewing.

I dont subscribe to the monkey into man evolution theory but chimps, gorillas etc have a 97% herbivorous diet, you ever checked there teeth out?

[armoured_amazon]

I can't bring myself to drink milk. I used to force myself to...okay, my mum did lol, but as an adult I get my calcium elsewhere.

[jojo]

hummm, i view that vid with a little suspision to be honest.

i know (and are friends with) many dairy farmers and their herds are well looked after, live out side for 3 seasons per year so semi free range, only coming in in the winter months when the weather is too cold for their thin coats. the sheds they are kept in a roomy and are mucked out twice a day with fresh bedding put down.

The female calfs are kept with the herd (heffers) and the male calves (bullocks) are sent to a farm in surrey where they are raised untill 18months old (outside in fields) then a slaughtered for meat.

I know the veal industry goes on (but not all dairy farmers now use this practice) Veal is a most unhealthy practice and should be banned (IMO)

that vid classifies every dairy farmer in the same slot. It is not a fair representation of the 4 dariy farmer i know and call my friends.

[infin8_possibility]

that vid classifies every dairy farmer in the same slot. It is not a fair representation of the 4 dariy farmer i know and call my friends.

The vid shows the REALITY of the milk industry whether or not it applies to all milk farmers is irrelavent, it exposes the fact humans DO NOT need to drink milk - its a poison and glues up the body.

This is a better video that explains the lunacy of milk consumption.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h0awf4sinso

[jahzel]

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"Harden the fack up infin8!"

[1694]

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"Harden the fack up infin8!"

Pisser. Ronnie Johns, good times.

On a more related note, milk is pretty wanky stuff, even if it's raw it's not great. The stuff you get in the supermaket is really just diabeties juice.

In a similar fashion to refined grains it has been jamed down our throat as good for you....it's really not.

[kreesurgeon]

I very rarely eat beef but i do drink milk in tea. The thing is, I like cows. Because we as humans generally only surround our selves with things (we think) we need, if nobody ate beef and nobody drank milk we would have no need for cows and they would quickly become extinct. (apart from in india of course)

So, In this crazy world, we are saving the cow by drinking milk and eating beef.

[infin8_possibility]

"Harden the fack up infin8!"

Did you even watch the second video jarzel? :confused: Anyway, the fact as you put it is concrete now... See below if you can manage to scroll down and read it...

Calcium and Protein Myths
Although American women consume tremendous amounts of calcium, their rates of osteoporosis are among the highest in the world. Conversely, Chinese people consume half as much calcium (most of it from plant sources) and have very low incidence of the bone disease. Medical studies indicate that rather than preventing the disease, milk may actually increase women’s risk of getting osteoporosis. A Harvard Nurses’ Study of more than 77,000 women ages 34 to 59 found that those who consumed two or more glasses of milk per day had higher risks of broken hips and arms than those who drank one glass or less per day. T. Colin Campbell, professor of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University, said, “The association between the intake of animal protein and fracture rates appears to be as strong as that between cigarette smoking and lung cancer.

Humans can get all the protein that they need from nuts, seeds, yeast, grains, beans, and other legumes. It’s very difficult not to get enough calories from protein when you eat a healthy diet; protein deficiency (also known as kwashiorkor) is very rare in the United States and is usually only a problem for people who live in famine-stricken countries.Consumption of excessive protein from dairy products, eggs, and meat has been linked to the formation of kidney stones and has been associated with colon cancer and liver cancer. It’s also suspected that consuming too much protein puts a strain on the kidneys, which compensate by leeching calcium from the bones.

http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=98


A table of calcium (mg) in food/drink at bottom of page, guess what jarzel, milk DOES NOT have the highest calcium content:
http://www.soystache.com/calcium.htm

[infin8_possibility]

So, In this crazy world, we are saving the cow by drinking milk and eating beef.

Sounds like twisted logic to me...

Shouldn't it be up to nature to decide if the cow species survives or becomes extint?

[1694]

Sounds like twisted logic to me...

Shouldn't it be up to nature to decide if the cow species survives or becomes extint?

Humans are a part of nature, and so is everything they create. If you were to strangle a cow to death with a Nylon rope, it would still be natural...or would that be supernatural?

[kreesurgeon]

Sounds like twisted logic to me...

Shouldn't it be up to nature to decide if the cow species survives or becomes extint?

It is twisted logic and i know that there is wild cattle in the U.K. Here (http://www.chillinghamwildcattle.com/) but what with the ever decreasing country side here they wouldn't have much of a chance if they we kick out of the farms.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not going to start eating beef and i may give up milk again. (i went for two years having coconut milk on my cereal and it was gert lush) but it would be a shame to loose the fields of cows that we have everywhere now, don't you think?

[infin8_possibility]

but it would be a shame to loose the fields of cows that we have everywhere now, don't you think?

Sure would man, they have as much right to be here as we do.

[1694]

Sure would man, they have as much right to be here as we do.

What about the massive deforestation that went on to create those fields. Think of all the natural habitats destroyed.

[infin8_possibility]

What about the massive deforestation that went on to create those fields. Think of all the natural habitats destroyed.

What about the natural habitats it would create...

[1694]

What about the natural habitats it would create...

What Killing the cows? I thought you were against that?

Cows are what keep fields fields and stop them from returning to woodland.

[infin8_possibility]

What Killing the cows? I thought you were against that?

Cows are what keep fields fields and stop them from returning to woodland.

I think one of us is confused, how could you possibly get "killing cows" from my reply???

[1694]

I think one of us is confused, how could you possibly get "killing cows" from my reply???

Natural woodlands were destroyed and turned into fields for cow pastures. For the land to return to it's natural state with it's natural inhabitants the cows would have to be killed otherwise they would simply maitain the pastures.

Cows in the large numbers they are in in this country are as unnatural as humans farming them.

[jojo]

if everyone stopped drinking milk millions of cows in this country alone would be put to sleep. millions killed. Is that what you want to see?

the dairy herds i know are very happy munching grass and being in fields for 22 hours a day. i for one do not want to see them disapear (even if i dont like milk... which i dont for what its worth)

[element]

I prefer some wild nature out there instead of cow fields everywhere!

Seperate the bulls.

Problem solved.

[fenriswulf]

The fields would not be able to be returned to woodland as it would have to be filled with grain crops to feed the new vego's. Thats if the land was flat and able climaticly to be used as such.

[infin8_possibility]

if everyone stopped drinking milk millions of cows in this country alone would be put to sleep. millions killed. Is that what you want to see?

Oh FFS of course not, dont be a fucking drama queen! Its only because of "the system" that, that might happen anyway. It certainly wouldnt be animal lovers etc that would ever dream of doing that. Surely there could be a conservation project put together for the cows, there's enough fucking space on the planet for them to live (despite what the elite say).

Milk is full of shite... Humans should not be drinking animal milk.

[cleft_asunder]

Where are the claws? Because of 2 a little bit more sharp teeth you NEED to be a meat eater?

Anyway, go back to cave living, if you want to..

I don't eat meat, but this is a poor argument. We have no claws because we form hunting weapons using our intellect. And although I don't eat meat, It's because the meat at the stores is just pure poison. The fact of the matter is that animals provide materials such as leather which results in clothing and other items. This is mandatory in climates that have cold winters, or are cold year-round. In other words it is quite obvious that animals were meant to be hunted and eaten just like the camel was meant to be riden across the desert. But not in the quanitites we do now. Humans should have primarily a vegetarian diet followed by animal foods.

[cleft_asunder]

I can't bring myself to drink milk. I used to force myself to...okay, my mum did lol, but as an adult I get my calcium elsewhere.

Milk makes my stomach stop. Here in the states, you will find billboards EVERYWHERE pushing milk.

[cleft_asunder]

I very rarely eat beef but i do drink milk in tea. The thing is, I like cows. Because we as humans generally only surround our selves with things (we think) we need, if nobody ate beef and nobody drank milk we would have no need for cows and they would quickly become extinct. (apart from in india of course)

So, In this crazy world, we are saving the cow by drinking milk and eating beef.

Not quite. You bring up a good point but you missed the implecations. If we don't drink milk nor eat meat, what a bout the leather? Leather is one of the ultimate materials for cothing, although these days it's used to produce a lot of stupid "fashion" shit instead of being used for effective utilitarian clothing and other items. But back to the point, what would we do with the rest of the cow once we take the leather? I suppose we could cut up the cow and plant it in the soil with seeds, just like the native americans did with fish heads and the like. This feeds the soil and produces proper crops. However, I doubt it should work like. I still believe that meat must be eaten to some degree by humans.

[cleft_asunder]

Consumption of excessive protein from dairy products, eggs, and meat has been linked to the formation of kidney stones and has been associated with colon cancer and liver cancer. It’s also suspected that consuming too much protein puts a strain on the kidneys, which compensate by leeching calcium from the bones.

Oh boy, how true that is!! I can tell you from experience. This year or so, I was eating quite a bit of animal produces, and a lot of beans. But not so much vegetables. I reached a point about a month ago where I developed kidney/bladder problems which I attribute now to stones having been formed. And also, if I look at my teeth in the mirror, the ends of them are transparant, meaning that calcium has been robbed quite a bit! This has never been the case for me. Despite that, I have no cavities or other problems. Other than that, I do have colon problems. Right now I'm on a vegetarian diet, but I feel the need to eat eggs one a week.

[cleft_asunder]

Humans are a part of nature, and so is everything they create. If you were to strangle a cow to death with a Nylon rope, it would still be natural...or would that be supernatural?

Unfortunately, talk of humans roll in nature is a bit absurd. From my point of view, there was a far different order in nature before the Reptilians came and modified us. Likely, they took all the species here and either wiped them out and created new ones based off their DNA, or they modified the pre-existing ones. In either case, I theorize that the Reptilian-based nature is based off of fear, survival, and death.

It is true that despite any tampering, outside of humans nature is perfect in it's own way. It follows the circle of life, while humans trample it. But my main point is that it's very difficult to talk about what humans should and should not be consuming or doing when there is a big possibility that we've been genetically modified.

[1694]

Unfortunately, talk of humans roll in nature is a bit absurd. From my point of view, there was a far different order in nature before the Reptilians came and modified us. Likely, they took all the species here and either wiped them out and created new ones based off their DNA, or they modified the pre-existing ones. In either case, I theorize that the Reptilian-based nature is based off of fear, survival, and death.

It is true that despite any tampering, outside of humans nature is perfect in it's own way. It follows the circle of life, while humans trample it. But my main point is that it's very difficult to talk about what humans should and should not be consuming or doing when there is a big possibility that we've been genetically modified.

And yet you actually typed the rest of your post!

Even if we take a swing at the rest of your theory, how exactly are the reptilians un natural? Everything that exists is just different arrangements of stuff, even if they are from different dimensions :rolleyes: their dimensions exist.

On a simple level if a bird caught a field mouse and flew off with it and dropped it in a tree and it became a tree dwelling mouse. Has that bird perverted nature?

[kreesurgeon]

Not quite. You bring up a good point but you missed the implecations. If we don't drink milk nor eat meat, what a bout the leather? Leather is one of the ultimate materials for cothing, although these days it's used to produce a lot of stupid "fashion" shit instead of being used for effective utilitarian clothing and other items. But back to the point, what would we do with the rest of the cow once we take the leather? I suppose we could cut up the cow and plant it in the soil with seeds, just like the native americans did with fish heads and the like. This feeds the soil and produces proper crops. However, I doubt it should work like. I still believe that meat must be eaten to some degree by humans.

As far as I'm aware, and this is completely absurd if true, we actually use different cows for leather than we do milk/meat. In the U.K. we import most if not all of our cow leather from the middle east and africa.

[zedd]

Where are the claws? Because of 2 a little bit more sharp teeth you NEED to be a meat eater?

Anyway, go back to cave living, if you want to..

You seem like the typical "I don't eat meat because I'm better than you" type. Get over yourself. Meat is here for us to eat. If we didn't supposed to, then we wouldn't have lived. We've used animals to survive, be it for food or clothing. We would not be here if it weren't for "evil" humans eating meat. Just because you decide that you don't want to eat it to appear special to people, does not negate the fact that eating meat is perfectly normal.

Not only that, it is very telling that it's always the high-and-mighty douchebags who don't eat meat that feel the need to be insulting to people. Yes, I am the caveman who eats meat and you are the evolved one who immediately insults fellow humans with whom you disagree. The hypocrisy is as delicious as a nice steak.

Not only that, it isn't 2 teeth. If you bothered to lokk in your mouth you would see that ALL of your teeth are somewhat jagged. I guess you do not know what flat means. Look at a cows teeth and look at your molars and you should be able to see that every one of your teeth is designed to accommodate meat in your diet.

[element]

You seem like the typical "I don't eat meat because I'm better than you" type. Get over yourself. Meat is here for us to eat. If we didn't supposed to, then we wouldn't have lived. We've used animals to survive, be it for food or clothing. We would not be here if it weren't for "evil" humans eating meat. Just because you decide that you don't want to eat it to appear special to people, does not negate the fact that eating meat is perfectly normal.

I'm not a ''typical type'', sunshine. I don't say meat is evil. You condemn me with other people's arguments. I'm always saying in our current society we can make the choice, and CAN realize we DON'T need it.

Not only that, it is very telling that it's always the high-and-mighty douchebags who don't eat meat that feel the need to be insulting to people. Yes, I am the caveman who eats meat and you are the evolved one who immediately insults fellow humans with whom you disagree. The hypocrisy is as delicious as a nice steak.

Please stop this behaviour. Amazing your response after I put up just two sentences. Such a hero you are. :) Go go Zedd..(?)

Not only that, it isn't 2 teeth. If you bothered to lokk in your mouth you would see that ALL of your teeth are somewhat jagged. I guess you do not know what flat means. Look at a cows teeth and look at your molars and you should be able to see that every one of your teeth is designed to accommodate meat in your diet.

So many vegetarian animals have sharp teeth. Weak excuse you got here!

[zedd]

I'm not a ''typical type'', sunshine. I don't say meat is evil. You condemn me with other people's arguments. I'm always saying in our current society we can make the choice, and CAN realize we DON'T need it."

You're right. I', condemning your totally original, and 100%-yours arguments with other people's that I had to take and in no way could thought of on my own. You're probably so enlightened and astute because you are no longer a meat eating barbarian like some of us.

Please stop this behaviour. Amazing your response after I put up just two sentences. Such a hero you are. :) Go go Zedd..(?)

Amazing even more is someone making implications and then trying to play it off as if they didn't really intend to say what they clearly implied. Yes, I will go back to my cave now and eat meat while "civilized" individuals like yourself try to insult others in a runaround fashion.

What needs to stop, is people like you feeling the need to talk down to other people for making their own choices that don't quite match your "right" ones.

I made my choice. I'll eat meat, thanks. Move along.

So many vegetarian animals have sharp teeth. Weak excuse you got here!

No, actually they don't. My "excuse" is based on actual science and evolution. The "vegetarian" animals with sharp teeth would fall into one of two categories: omnivores (who eat meat as well as vegetables) and pompous humans (who want a pat on the back for their brave and oh-so-trendy choice to give up on meat eating).

Congratulations. You don't eat meat. No one gives a shit.

[infin8_possibility]

http://www.milksucks.co.uk/mucus.html

Got Allergies and Mucus?

If your kids suffer from chronic runny noses and sore throats, it might be time to dump the dairy. According to the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology, cow’s milk is the number one-cause of food allergies in children. According to the former director of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University, Dr. Frank Oski, there is evidence to indicate that up to half of U.S. children have some allergic reaction to milk. For these kids (and for adults who are allergic to dairy foods), milk is a mucus maker and can lead to persistent problems such as chronic coughs and sinus infections, asthma, and ear infections.

More and more physicians and dietitians realize that removing dairy products from the diet can be the solution to many childhood illnesses such as runny noses, constipation, colic, ear infections, and gas—and the list goes on.

See for yourself:

According to a report published by the American Academy of Allergy and Immunology Committee on Adverse Reactions to Food (part of the National Institutes of Health), the allergies of up to one third of children tested cleared after milk was removed from their diet.

Dr. Benjamin Spock, author of the world-famous book Baby and Child Care, wrote in 1998, "Cow’s milk is not recommended for a child when he is sick—or when he is well, for that matter. Dairy products may cause more mucus complications and cause more discomfort with upper respiratory infections."

In their book Allergies to Milk, Drs. Sami L. Bahna and Douglas C. Heiner report that children who are allergic to milk "may have breathing difficulty, particularly during sleep, or an irritating cough associated with a postnasal drip. … The cough is frequently associated with noisy breathing and excessive mucus in the throat, and sometimes parents worry that their child is ‘gagging.’ … Such affected children are frequently diagnosed as having upper respiratory infection, viral illness, bronchitis, … or pneumonia. Accordingly, they may be given unnecessary medications, including cough syrups, decongestants, or antibiotics. Relief, however, is not satisfactory until cow’s milk is eliminated from the diet."

A 1997 report on food allergies in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that cow’s milk allergies tend to hit children in their infancies. Recommended therapies for food allergies include "strict removal of the offending allergen" or possibly a diet centered on human breast milk.

A British study found that 93 percent of children diagnosed with cow’s milk allergy experienced asthma and/or rhinitis when milk was included in their diet. (The book Asthma and Rhinitis states that rhinitis is "characterized by itching, sneezing, nasal blockage, and discharge.")

Frank Oski, M.D., the former director of the Department of Pediatrics of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and physician-in-chief of the Johns Hopkins Children’s Center, said in his 1992 book, "The fact is: The drinking of cow milk has been linked to iron-deficiency anemia in infants and children; it has been named as the cause of cramps and diarrhea in much of the world’s population, and the cause of multiple forms of allergy as well."

In his book Pregnancy, Children, and the Vegan Diet, Dr. Michael Klaper explains why milk may trigger the production of mucus: "[W]hen the protein of another animal is introduced into one’s immune system, an allergic/immune response is created in many places in the body. A common reaction to such an assault by a foreign protein in our immune system is an outpouring of mucus from the nasal and throat membranes. … The resulting mucus flow can create the chronic runny noses, persistent sore throats, hoarseness, bronchitis, and the recurrent ear infections that plague so many children (and their parents)."

According to the metastudy Milk Allergies, "Cow’s milk allergy, mainly a disease of infancy, is usually manifested within the first two or three months of life. … No age, however, is exempt, and milk allergy may be first detected during adolescence or adulthood."

Dr. Christiane Northrup states: "Dairy is a tremendous mucus producer and a burden on the respiratory, digestive, and immune systems." Dr. Northrup says that patients who "eliminate dairy products for an extended period and eat a balanced diet … suffer less from colds and sinus infections."

The mucus created by milk may cause other health problems, as well. Dr. William Ellis, who has studied the effects of dairy foods for more than four decades, says that milk is "simply no good for humans." Dr. Ellis believes that the excess mucus caused by milk can harden to form a coating on the inner wall of the intestines, hindering the absorption of nutrients and possibly leading to chronic fatigue.

Unless you like phlegm in your throat and a constant runny nose, it might be time to try soy.

[infin8_possibility]

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm


Yes... milk is Mother Nature's "perfect food" ...for a calf... until it is weaned.

Everything you know about cow's milk and dairy is probably part of a Dairy industry MYTH.

Cow's milk is an unhealthy fluid from diseased animals that contains a wide range of dangerous and disease-causing substances that have a cumulative negative effect on all who consume it.

MILK'S BASIC CONTENTS

*ALL* cow's milk (regular and 'organic') has 59 active hormones, scores of allergens, fat and cholesterol.

Most cow's milk has measurable quantities of herbicides, pesticides, dioxins (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52 powerful antibiotics (perhaps 53, with LS-50), blood, pus, feces, bacteria and viruses. (Cow's milk can have traces of anything the cow ate... including such things as radioactive fallout from nuke testing ... (the 50's strontium-90 problem).

LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN AMERICA
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus.html (1998)

Rank Total Description

1 724,859 Heart Disease (think fats/cholesterol: meat/dairy)
2 541,532 Malignant Neoplasms (cancer: think toxins/milk/dairy)
2a 250,000 Medical system (drugs/etc. think ignorance/incompetence)
3 158,448 Cerebro-vascular (think meat milk and dairy)
4 112,584 Bronchitis Emphysema Asthma (think toxins/milk/dairy)
5 97,835 Unintentional Injuries and Adverse Effects
6 91,871 Pneumonia & Influenza (think weak immune systems and
mucus)
7 64,751 Diabetes (think milk/dairy)
7a 40,000+ Highway slaughter (men, women and children)
8 30,575 Suicide (think behavioral problems)
9 26,182 Nephritis (Bright's disease: inflammation of the
kidneys)
10 25,192 Liver Disease (think alcohol and other toxins)

(2a and 7a were added for completeness)

(note: Number 13 on the CDC list is -18,272 Homicide & Legal Intervention-. It is curious that the CDC would readily list law enforcement and homicides... and not the 250,000 deaths caused by the medical system!)

CANCER FUEL

Of those 59 hormones one is a powerful GROWTH hormone called Insulin- like Growth Factor ONE (IGF-1). By a freak of nature it is identical in cows and humans. Consider this hormone to be a "fuel cell" for any cancer... (the medical world says IGF-1 is a key factor in the rapid growth and proliferation of breast, prostate and colon cancers, and we suspect that most likely it will be found to promote ALL cancers).

IGF-1 is a normal part of ALL milk... the newborn is SUPPOSED to grow quickly! What makes the 50% of obese American consumers think they need MORE growth? Consumers don't think anything about it because they do not have a clue to the problem... nor do most of our doctors.

(See http://www.notmilk.com/igf1time.txt for a time line)

QUANTITY

Each bite of hard cheese has TEN TIMES whatever was in that sip of milk... because it takes ten pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese. Each bite of ice cream has 12 times ... and every swipe of butter 21 times whatever is contained in the fat molecules in a sip of milk.

MONSANTO AND rbGH (Posilac)

Monsanto Chemical Co., maker of fine poisons such as DDT, agent orange, Roundup and more... spent around half a billion dollars inventing a shot to inject into cows... to force a cow to produce MORE milk (for an already glutted taxpayer subsidized market).

Unfortunately, they created *FIVE* errors in their Frankenstein Posilac (rbGH) shot that direly affected all test animals... but that important report (Richard, Odaglia & Deslex, 1989) has been hidden from everyone under Clinton's Trade Secrets act. The Canadians read enough of this report (before it was stolen) to reject rbGH for their country.

Monsanto's Posilac creates additional IGF-1 in milk: up to 80% more.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) insists that IGF-1 is destroyed in the stomach. If that were true, the FDA has proven that breast feeding cannot work. Common sense says their "finding" is ridiculous because this growth factor DOES make the baby calf grow (rapidly, as mother natured intended). Visit the Dairy Education Board at http://www.notmilk.com/deb/100399.html to review a DAIRY study that confirms what the FDA has lied about this for years.

IGF-1 INCREASES

This study involved two groups. One group consuming 12 ounces of milk a day and the other consuming the USDA recommended allowance of 24 ounces (three cups). This report notes that the participants consuming 12 ounces more milk per day... HAD A 10% RISE IN IGF-1 IN THEIR BLOOD SERUM! Now, consider that PER DAY, from ALL sources, the typical milk/dairy consumer ingests approximately 39% of daily diet from dairy... and that 10% increase becomes the "tip of the iceberg". We have NO idea of the non-dairy versus full-dairy difference but considering cancer rates... it has to be significant.

FAT

Whole milk 49% of the calories are from fat.
"2%" milk 35% of the calories are from fat.
Cheddar cheese 74% of the calories are from fat.
Butter 100% of the calories are from fat.

Most folks suspect that butter is all fat. Most folks have no concept of the just how much fat is in the rest of milk and dairy. Perhaps the 54% of Americans who are obese need to comprehend that milk, ice cream, cheeses, yogurts, and all the OTHER products that use milk derivatives (casein, whey, lactose, colostrum) are most likely a significant cause for their weight and health problem.

CALCIUM

Calcium? Where do the COWS get calcium for their big bones? Yes... from plants! The calcium they consume from plants has a large amount of magnesium... necessary for the body to absorb and USE the calcium.

The calcium in cow's milk is basically useless because it has insufficient magnesium content (those nations with the highest amount of milk/dairy consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis. Proof? How about a controlled study of 78,000 nurses over a period of 12 years?

Read more about it at:

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/030799.html Article on the 78,000 nurse study
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092098.html CALCIUM AND BONE DISEASE
http://www.notmilk.com/badbones.html WHO GETS BONE DISEASE?
http://www.notmilk.com/bonehead.txt CRIPPLING BONEHEADS
http://www.notmilk.com/calcium/index.html Consolidated info

Cows milk has three times the calcium as does human breast milk. No matter, neither are very usable because in order to be absorbed and used their MUST be an equal quantity of MAGNESIUM (as exists in the greens that cows eat to get all the calcium they need for their big bones). Milk has only enough magnesium to absorb around 11% (33mg per cup) of calcium.

Per the USDA 8 ounces (one cup) of cows milk contains:

Calcium, Ca mg 291.336
Magnesium, Mg mg 32.794

The USDA recommends 1200mg of calcium per day. The USDA recommended three cups of milk a day only have 900mg of calcium. Some argue that only 1/3 of the magnesium is necessary. Mother nature seems to suggest it should be one to one. If the ratio for proper absorption were 1/3 magnesium to one calcium then no more than 300mg of that 900mg of calcium is usable. If, in fact, it is a one to one ratio... only 98.38mg of calcium is usable.

It is not a matter of how much calcium one ingests... but how much one does not lose.

PROTEIN

Milk can be thought of as "liquid meat" because of its high protein content which, in concert with other proteins, may actually LEACH calcium from the body. Countries that consume high protein diets (meat, milk and dairy) have the highest rates of osteoporosis.

THE 'WHOLESOME' PROTEIN MYTH

87% of milk is water. That makes it VERY expensive water.

Broken down into its basic groups... WHOLE MILK is:

WATER FAT CASEIN OTHER PROTEIN
87% 3.25% 4% 1% 4.75

(note: that is 3.25% "milkfat" which includes the 87% water.)

80% of the protein in milk is casein. Casein is a powerful binder... a
polymer used to make plastics... and a glue that is better used to make
sturdy furniture or hold beer bottle labels in place. It is in
thousands of processed foods as a binder... as "something" caseinate.

Casein is a powerful allergen... a histamine that creates lots of
mucus. The only medicine in Olympic athlete Flo-Jo's body was Benedryl,
a power antihistamine she took to combat her last meal... pizza.
For the whole Flo-Jo story:

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092198.html,
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/111598.html and
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/112398.html for the whole story.

BACTERIA

Cow's milk is allowed to have feces in it. This is a major source for bacteria. Milk is typically pasteurized more than once before it gets to your table... each time for only 15 seconds at 162 degrees Fahrenheit.

To sanitize water one is told to boil it (212 degrees F) for several minutes. That is a tremendous disparity, isn't it!

Keep in mind that at room temperature the number of bacteria in milk DOUBLE around every 20 minutes. No wonder milk turns rotten very quickly.

PUS

ONE cubic centimeter (cc) of commercial cow's milk is allowed to have up to 750,000 somatic cells (common name is "PUS") and 20,000 live bacteria... before it is kept off the market.

That amounts to a whopping 20 million live squiggly bacteria and up to 750 MILLION pus cells per liter (bit more than a quart).

1 cup = 236.5882cc 177,441,150 pus cells ~ 4,731,600 bacteria
24 oz (3 glasses) = 532,323,450 pus cells ~ 14,220,000 bacteria
(the "recommended" daily intake)

The EU and the Canadians allow for a less "tasty" 400,000,000 pus cells per liter.

Typically these levels are lower... but they COULD reach these levels and still get to YOUR table.

CHOLESTEROL

The cholesterol content of those three glasses of milk is equal to what one would get from 53 slices of bacon. Do you know of any doctor who recommends that much bacon per day?

KOSHER

Is cow's milk and dairy "Kosher"? Consider this:

"D-3 always is derived from an animal. The sunlight reaction that converts 7-dehydrocholesterol to vitamin D-3 is a 'pure' chemical reaction that occurs in your skin in certain cells."

"The provitamin known as 7-dehydrocholesterol is extracted and isolated from the skins of mammals and purified." (Marian Herbert of the Vitamin D Workshop U of C)

Vitamin D-3 can come from four different sources:

Pig skin, sheep skin, raw fish liver, and pig brains. Most of the time, Vitamin D-3 is extracted from pig skin and sold to dairy processors.

Short answer to "is milk kosher" - probably not.

OTHER 'STUFF'

Fat and cholesterol. Lots of it. Per the dairy influenced USDA "food pyramid" all milk, dairy and meats should represent no more than 8% of the diet. Statistically, by volume of sales in a nation of 281 million Americans, it works out to almost 40% of the diet for MILK AND DAIRY.. without the meat.

The milk of each of the over 4,700 mammals on earth is formulated specifically for that species. There are special lactoferrins and immunoglobulins (cow specific immunizing stuff) that in humans serve as allergens.

LEUKEMIA

According to Hoards Dairyman (Volume 147, number 4)... 89% of America's dairy herds have the leukemia virus. (more at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/835)

DIABETES

The protein lactalbumin, has been identified as a key factor in diabetes (and a major reason for NOT giving cows milk to infants).

CROHN'S DISEASE

Mycobacterium paratuberculosis causes a bovine disease called "Johne's."

Cows diagnosed with Johne's Disease have diarrhea, and heavy fecal shedding of bacteria. This bacteria becomes cultured in milk, and is not destroyed by pasteurization. Occasionally, the milk-borne bacteria will begin to grow in the human host, and the results are irritable bowel syndrome and Crohn's Disease.

MAD COW DISEASE

There may also be prions (pronounced PREons) in the milk and meat. This is crystalline substance that acts like a virus... with an "incubation" period of from 5 to 30 years. The end result is MAD COW DISEASE!

HOMOGENIZATION

Large fat molecules cannot get through the intestinal wall into the bloodstream. The cream no longer rises... because homogenization breaks up those large molecules into small ones that DO get into the bloodstream! This becomes an expressway for any fat-borne toxins (lead, dioxin's, etc.) into your (otherwise) most protected organs.

CUMULATIVE EFFECTS

How does this impact humans who consume cow's milk and dairy? Obesity (over 50% of Americans and rising), heart disease, cancer, allergies, digestive problems, diabetes, asthma, desensitization to antibiotics, behavioral problems, and the constant ingestion of dioxin's, herbicides, pesticides (and anything else the cow eats that is not good for any critter), that winds up getting stored in HUMAN fat... is not healthy by any measure.

Those who resist believing the truth should understand that MOST of the world's population CANNOT tolerate the lactose in cow's milk. Up to 95% of the black population, around 53% of the Hispanics, etc.) So much for cow's milk being "natures perfect food" for humans! Mother nature knows better.

Common sense question: Where was this massive "milk is a must" before refrigeration, pasteurization and mass transportation? Back when cows gave only 1-4 pounds a day it was quickly made into BUTTER and cheese! Now that those same cows have been tweaked and shot-up with Posilac to produce up to 55 or more pounds of milk per day... almost all year long... it is suddenly (after many thousands of years) a daily "staple". NOT!

POLLUTION

There are around 9.2 million dairy cows in the United states. Each dairy cow ingests around 330 pounds of feed (perhaps 50 pounds) and water (around 280 pounds or 33 gallons) per day. Allowing for the best dairy production of 55 pounds of milk per day (over ten times what mother nature designed the cow to produce) that means that what remains becomes "slurry".

That means around 275 pound of urine and feces per day... per cow, for a daily total of 2.53 BILLION pounds of pollution. Per year... that amounts to around 923 billion pounds of UNTREATED pollution entering our streams, rivers, lakes... and drinking water systems.

Cows are hot-blooded mammals. Like all other mammals they pass gas. Somewhat like elephants their compartmented digestive system is rather inefficient... which leads to the creation of MORE gas. During a Discovery Channel documentary on elephants a parting quip was that the average adult elephant passes enough methane gas per day to run a car about 20 miles.

Cows are not much better. The English New Scientist (page 5 -31.8.96) mentions that cattle produce around 48 kilograms (105 pounds) of methane each per year and that more bubbles out of the animals' manure. Dairy cows eat more because they produce milk. With 9.2 million dairy cows times a minimum of 100 pounds of methane gas per year... that amounts almost a billion pounds of methane gas released into the atmosphere each year. With around 100 million beef cattle... pigs, sheep, and other "factory farmed" animals it should not be difficult to fathom the extent of this problem.

This means that "Beef is a greenhouse-intensive food" and a major cause of global warming (with dairy a significant part of the problem).

Another major point is:

"Milk is a very strong pollutant: it is about 400 times more polluting than untreated sewage. To put it another way, 1,000 gallons of milk has the same polluting potential as the untreated sewage from a town of 7,000 people." Morlais Owen. Chief Scientist for Welsh Water. North Wales Weekly News. 24.3.88.

[boooshpig]

Not sure if it has been mentioned but check out the 'China study'

http://www.thechinastudy.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

As a side note I also find the 'we have canine teeth' not quite a well thought out arguement. Here is why, such adaptions are adaptions to environment 'in the past' (if they are at all..point taken regarding ape teeth and their diet) just because we have features NOW does not mean they are useful for whatever our current selection pressures may be ! It is clear that eating LOTS of meat is bad for our health and our envirnoment (which is part of ourselves anyway!). I am not totaly aainst eating meat at all, but meat everyday seems unhealthy from the info I have looked at, and what with CHina and India all going from near vegan to western diet the damage it is causing the biosphere is HUGE

Over and out.

[knightofthegrail]

Generally speaking, on a dietary basis, humans are suited to eat, in order of preference:

* Fruit and nuts
* Meat (inc fish and eggs - eggs are NOT dairy...when was the last time you saw a cow lay an egg??)
* Leafy vegetables
* Root vegetables
* Grains and dairy

We dont have the equipment that herbivores need, nor the "eat constantly" mindset. In order to get the necessary nutritian out of plants, herbivores need to eat a lot of the time, whereas carnivores only need to eat the occasional herbivore to get theirs - meat is concentrated nutrition :)

A healthy diet would have us grazing on fruit and nuts with a meal a day made of meat or fish. The rest is best left to seasonal accompaniments to the meal of the day.......but that doesnt fit in with the "worker-drone" lifestyle that money-worship requires of us.....

[element]

You're right. I', condemning your totally original, and 100%-yours arguments with other people's that I had to take and in no way could thought of on my own. You're probably so enlightened and astute because you are no longer a meat eating barbarian like some of us.

Someone who eats meat is not a barbarian, please look at my previous post. I said we can make the choice to eat it or not. I don't claim to be enlightened. Stop feeling inferior, because you're not.

What needs to stop, is people like you feeling the need to talk down to other people for making their own choices that don't quite match your "right" ones.

Hey, it's your choice. Stop playing the victim role, it ain't gonna help.

No, actually they don't. My "excuse" is based on actual science and evolution. The "vegetarian" animals with sharp teeth would fall into one of two categories: omnivores (who eat meat as well as vegetables) and pompous humans (who want a pat on the back for their brave and oh-so-trendy choice to give up on meat eating).

It has nothing to do with being trendy. It's an ethical decision and to each their own. I can say how I feel about it, just like you.

Congratulations. You don't eat meat. No one gives a shit.

Funny you say that, because after seeing your post you really DO give a shit.

It's alright Zedd...If you ever checked my previous post you'd realize I don't say/mean meat eaters are satanists or evil or anything. My point is that it's unnessesary in my opinion.

[jojo]

Oh FFS of course not, dont be a fucking drama queen! Its only because of "the system" that, that might happen anyway. It certainly wouldnt be animal lovers etc that would ever dream of doing that. Surely there could be a conservation project put together for the cows, there's enough fucking space on the planet for them to live (despite what the elite say).

Milk is full of shite... Humans should not be drinking animal milk.


Im sorry but im not being a drama queen, just realistic. If, say, for some reason the government banned milk consuption for humans all dairy herds would be slaughtered.

it would be like a the foot and mouth time a but on a much larger scale. The countryside would be choked with the pyres of burning carcases.

There would be no need to keep a breeding program for frieshian breed (the black and white ones) they would become extinct.

let people drink milk if they choose. I find your holyer than thou attitude a bit laughable to be honest.

[infin8_possibility]

Im sorry but im not being a drama queen, just realistic. If, say, for some reason the government banned milk consuption for humans all dairy herds would be slaughtered.

it would be like a the foot and mouth time a but on a much larger scale. The countryside would be choked with the pyres of burning carcases.

YOU dont know that, unless you can see it in your crystal ball.

[infin8_possibility]

let people drink milk if they choose. I find your holyer than thou attitude a bit laughable to be honest.

Holyer than thou attitude? My point is humans DONT NEED to drink milk thats all.

Maybe you should spend more time concentrating on the threads topic rather than your issues with me. It aint the first time either you've taken personal jibes.

Im very flattered by your attention jojo, but seriously you're not my type (and I dont go for middle aged women anyway). Hahaha;):D

[jojo]

Holyer than thou attitude? My point is humans DONT NEED to drink milk thats all.

Maybe you should spend more time concentrating on the threads topic rather than your issues with me. It aint the first time either you've taken personal jibes.

Im very flattered by your attention jojo, but seriously you're not my type (and I dont go for middle aged women anyway). Hahaha;):D

sorry hun i have no idea who you are.. please dont flatter yourself on that one.


the vid you posted included issues about the welfair of cows. i am addressing those and looking at what would happen if milk was banned on the grounds of health issuses.
what would happen to the bovines? Am sorry but 99.9% of dairy cows would be put to sleep if this would happen. I dont need a crystal ball... just common sence. farmers would not keep their herds for the love of the animal.

This is an open forum and i am discussing the topic you started this thread about. Just because i go on an angle you dont like, doesnt give you the right tell me i am not talking about the threads topic.

and as for the middle aged jibe.... oh purlease!. do grow up.

[infin8_possibility]

sorry hun i have no idea who you are.. please dont flatter yourself on that one.

Oh no im heartbroken! :p

what would happen if milk was banned on the grounds of health issuses.
what would happen to the bovines? Am sorry but 99.9% of dairy cows would be put to sleep if this would happen.

Oh so its alright for them to be exploited, have there milk stolen and calfs taken away, its all for there own good otherwise there species wouldnt exist??? They're animals not possesions and commodaties IMO

This is an open forum and i am discussing the topic you started this thread about. Just because i go on an angle you dont like, doesnt give you the right tell me i am not talking about the threads topic.

Not nice when the boot is on the other foot is it? And you CALL me "holier than thou" (personal dig) - take a look in the mirror once and a while and step off yer high horse...

Im sick of arguing with you its a waste of my time, believe it or not I didnt start this thread to have handbags with you. Agree to disagree - your pro animal farming, I am NOT!

oh purlease!. do grow up
...and nope, dont intend to any time soon... The imagination of youth knows no bounds! :p