Proof of explosives causing "plane" shaped holes [Archive]

helloperator

20-10-2008, 02:44 PM

I can tell that you're hard for the no planes theory...I must say, I have been aroused by it fromk time to time

What's the point in viewing video that is 7 years old and has been floating around the internet in all that time in god knows who's hands?

Why should anyone believe that video?

Show me the actual raw footage as shot by the Naudet brothers...not some clip that could have been photoshopped to death in some 18yo's grimey bedroom at 3 in the morning in between games of Counter Strike.

Plus how could the bad guys be so collosally dim witted as to 'pencil' in a vertical wing tip when the 'plane' clearly went in at about a 45 degree angle? Did the shift change and two photoshop experts went to have a coffee while two 3 year olds came in to take over?

kamakazi

20-10-2008, 02:55 PM

the original naudet video shows exactly the same thing.

mynameis

20-10-2008, 03:18 PM

In real time...

1st
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuG-xqZXufc

2nd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uldHldT6Cg

kamakazi

20-10-2008, 03:31 PM

^u post a clip that cuts out just as the explosives start and the 2nd clip is irrelevant.

how about this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q01bV8APzc

has that been edited too?

mynameis

20-10-2008, 03:33 PM

^u post a clip that cuts out just as the explosives start and the 2nd clip is irrelevant.

how about this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q01bV8APzc

has that been edited too?

It's the full clip buddy, Simon Shack edits his film to his hearts content to fool others like yerself.

And here's the longer version in real time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys41jnL2Elk

qasrose

20-10-2008, 03:42 PM

kamakazi

20-10-2008, 03:44 PM

that clip shows exact same thing again... explosions marking out the "plane" shape AFTER the plane has entered the building.

qasrose

20-10-2008, 03:45 PM

that clip shows exact same thing again... explosions marking out the "plane" shape AFTER the plane has entered the building.

Again I will say like I've told Banoyes in my own opinion which I am entitled too,
The No Plane Theory is bunch of crap. I'm sorry for sounding harsh but that's just the way I see, it...

helloperator

20-10-2008, 04:38 PM

kamakazi

20-10-2008, 04:45 PM

Why did they 'pencil' in a horizontal wing tip hole? Why not use all their skills and brain power and go 'oh wait the plane wasn't at that angle when it entered the building...let's use the erase tool and redo that sloppy vertical horizontal line that we did just now...oh we are silly billy's aren't we...let's both slap our heads at the ridiculousness of pencilling in a horizontal black smudge line.'

So...your take on that??

id like to know the same thing. clearly there were many mistakes in all of the faked "plane" videos, including the penciled in wing tip hole, but yet you and many others still claim them to be real unedited videos?

So...your take on that??

qasrose

20-10-2008, 04:51 PM

id like to know the same thing. clearly there were many mistakes in all of the faked "plane" videos, including the penciled in wing tip hole, but yet you and many others still claim them to be real unedited videos?

So...your take on that??

Show me proof of this so called footage then???? and then I'll judge on it

bigus_dickus

20-10-2008, 04:56 PM

911 amateur part 2 clearly shows explosives causing the "plane" shaped hole that we see after the 1st "plane" strike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjQmxS-DpyM

Plane huggers please explain...

i am not a "plane hugger", but i can explain..

the maker of the video is extremely stupid.

'nuff said.

kamakazi

20-10-2008, 05:04 PM

Show me proof of this so called footage then???? and then I'll judge on it

screen shot taken from the video that mynameis posted clearly showing penciled in black line (pause the video for yourself if you wanna claim ive edited it...):

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff334/Kuzi420/wtc.jpg

mynameis

20-10-2008, 07:21 PM

lightgiver

20-10-2008, 08:28 PM

screen shot taken from the video that mynameis posted clearly showing penciled in black line (pause the video for yourself if you wanna claim ive edited it...):

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff334/Kuzi420/wtc.jpg

Kamakazi i would not bother wasting your time with close minded people.planes or no planes 911 was an inside job and until the 911 set up is reinvestigated no one will know the REAL TRUTH,so do not argue with these individuals because you will end up going around in circles,but its up to you my friend ;)

You see all these so called experts,all their footage and pics are completely real and everybody elses footage and pics are fake:confused:LOL:rolleyes:

Things should be made simple but not simpler.

After all everybody thought terrorist al quada carried out the attacks on 911,but now we know differently,and people once thought the earth was flat,wait until they find out nothing really exists at all???

All propaganda has to be popular and has to adapt its spiritual level to the perception of the least intelligent of those towards whom it intends to direct itself.

...there was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, 'and this will always be the man in the street.' Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology...Hatred and contempt must be directed at particular individuals.

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnFE-IBK7M

i have posted 2 vids here,if they go missing?well what can i say?

helloperator

21-10-2008, 12:50 AM

id like to know the same thing. clearly there were many mistakes in all of the faked "plane" videos, including the penciled in wing tip hole, but yet you and many others still claim them to be real unedited videos?

So...your take on that??

My take is that all the footage has been in too many people's grubby little internet hands for far too long.

helloperator

21-10-2008, 01:00 AM

As I thought no line in the high quality resolution version.

http://investigate911.se/video/WTC_1st_Hit_Full_Screen.avi
http://investigate911.se/video/WTC_1st_Hit_Full_Screen.avi

Yo...kamikaze....what's your take on this video that does not show what you are bleating about?

There's no black photoshopped pencilled horizontal line in this video.

Who has the correct video? Is your video the correct one...or this one?

Your take on all this please chief?

lightgiver

21-10-2008, 01:18 AM

It's the full clip buddy, Simon Shack edits his film to his hearts content to fool others like yerself.

And here's the longer version in real time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys41jnL2Elk

see that explosion before the plane hits:confused:what's all that about,i suppose you will have a occams razor theory about that one?

helloperator

21-10-2008, 01:30 AM

lightgiver

21-10-2008, 01:52 AM

No, didn't see that...maybe I didn't use the full extent of my imagination like you must have done.

And where's the black pencil line in the video posted by mynameis?

You didn't address that...you just deflected that one and asked another question.

Your take?

ha ha :DLOL:D another eyes wide shut.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9149/210606f520xq9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://images.google.fr/images?gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&q=explosion+of++plane+hitting+north+twin+tower+nau det+bros&btnG=Search+Images

http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://z.hubpages.com/u/210606_f520.jpg&imgrefurl=http://hubpages.com/hub/911-Misdirection&h=548&w=520&sz=16&hl=en&start=6&usg=__yvYFtMSyABYp9BGwPtzaUHaDR5M=&tbnid=KdGCHcgchF7mjM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dexplosion%2Bof%2B%2Bplane%2Bhitting%2 Bnorth%2Btwin%2Btower%2Bnaudet%2Bbros%26gbv%3D2%26 hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG

helloperator

21-10-2008, 02:14 AM

Well that black smudge is now angling downward...not horizontal anymore...are we to believe it is some sort of magical black pencil smudge?

Your take?

lightgiver

21-10-2008, 02:16 AM

Well that black smudge is now angling downward...not horizontal anymore...are we to believe it is some sort of magical black pencil smudge?

Your take?

:confused: i am talking about explosions here,are you taking the mick:confused:that is the original naudet vid and there is no getting away from that explosion.the thread is about explosions not black smudges.

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.

helloperator

21-10-2008, 02:55 AM

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.

You're such a visionary!

Yeah...we are talking about the 'pencilled' in smudge horizontal line...the one that the video posted earlier by kamikaze pilot keeps going on about....the title of the thread has something to do with 'plane shaped holes'...a la...the wing shape that was pencilled in.

How come we can not see that black smudge in the video posted by mynameis?

Seems to be in one video the black horizontal smudge is clear as cyrstal...yet in the other video it is not there....is it four legs good, two legs bad? Whose video are we to believe?

Clear that one up for us...then let's move onto the other areas of your fertile imagination.

lightgiver

21-10-2008, 03:03 AM

You're such a visionary!

Yeah...we are talking about the 'pencilled' in smudge horizontal line...the one that the video posted earlier by kamikaze pilot keeps going on about....the title of the thread has something to do with 'plane shaped holes'...a la...the wing shape that was pencilled in.

How come we can not see that black smudge in the video posted by mynameis?

Seems to be in one video the black horizontal smudge is clear as cyrstal...yet in the other video it is not there....is it four legs good, two legs bad? Whose video are we to believe?

Clear that one up for us...then let's move onto the other areas of your fertile imagination.

TITLE OF THREAD= Proof of explosives causing "plane" shaped holes:rolleyes:

Ignorance is not bliss.

http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6599/linesexplosiveshp3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://911review.org/Wget/members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/tower-explosions.htm&h=480&w=900&sz=61&hl=en&start=6&um=1&usg=__nyhqEGMRJU56BbnJNQP0rGyAlXY=&tbnid=hz82n-Hbrnb_DM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=146&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dexplosions%2Bin%2Btowers%26um%3D1%26h l%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN

http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://home.att.net/~carlson.jon/WTCnapalmbomb6th1_files/NASAcrash.jpg&imgrefurl=http://home.att.net/~carlson.jon/WTCnapalmbomb6th1.htm&h=425&w=600&sz=45&hl=en&start=38&um=1&usg=__Kvv2bW30ntEMKB7C7P5hugF5pAU=&tbnid=j0y-yN_dF-j4sM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dexplosions%2Bin%2Btowers%26start%3D20 %26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26cli ent%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN

helloperator

21-10-2008, 03:10 AM

Ignorance is not bliss.

Again with the pontificating...

Anyway...please stop dodging the question of the black pencil horizontal smudge.

Can you address it?

It appears in one video...but not in the other.

Your take?

lightgiver

21-10-2008, 03:18 AM

Again with the pontificating...

Anyway...please stop dodging the question of the black pencil horizontal smudge.

Can you address it?

It appears in one video...but not in the other.

Your take?

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=BvvUKZc58Gc

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

If you do not get it now,then you never will.

do you not think it is possible to line explosives up,in such a position of maybe a plane impact?and i am not going on about some black smudge mark,their are more pertinent issues at hand.IE explosives causing plane shaped holes.

He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping.

http://sheep.newsvine.com/_news/2006/09/23/372660-president-bush-explosives-used-in-wtc-plot

hw spartan

21-10-2008, 03:33 AM

haha i like how the building with the antenea got hit 1st.
so the other UFO's can come in and do the other jobs around the place.
these antenae are ALIEN, they say its for this or that, so why doest ALL scyscrapers have em.
in every city, in every country, there is 1 building that has THAT same antenae
so.... you people still think all this was HUMAN.
ok...fair enoufgh, looks like it worked, they got every one saying, bin laden or themselves did it.......they love it.
people like me, are very few, if any...... and i dont care, i see ALIENS in this
check my thread" Spartans talk on 9\11"
it was a bloody star wars fight, in front of us.

"it was a attack on the leaders of earth, who use money for there slaves, so they hit it, and needed to hit the antena 1st, to throw off all silo locks, they wernt expecting(someone) to hit it 1st, the ones that knew, hid underground"

hide underground from a big mafia group, given the name terroist with royalties, with a Army of USA behind you, and they still hid, come on people, the reps got attacked, simple, and they know it was just a warning.
see Alex Collier on the Grays deadline to the Slave masters.....the deadline was 2001:eek:

lightgiver

21-10-2008, 03:36 AM

Again with the pontificating...

Anyway...please stop dodging the question of the black pencil horizontal smudge.

Can you address it?

It appears in one video...but not in the other.

Your take?

check link;)

Flight 11 Unveiled - The X-11 Drone WTC 911:

http://x11drone.0catch.com/

I am not writing an essay about a black smudge,this link will explain it for you and another lot of queries one imagines:)

fist fury

21-10-2008, 03:37 AM

Aircrafts (and orbs) did crash into the Towers.

The question is whether the dissapearing wings are an holographic artifact or were digitally modified to confuse those looking deeper into 9/11.

There is also the lighting fast "black blur" that passes right when the plane hits. There is high technology being used, to their advantage, because we do not have the knowledge of such things its difficult to explain in detail.

kamakazi

21-10-2008, 03:47 AM

As I thought no line in the high quality resolution version.

lol you guys are unreal. first you post a "full unedited" clip that cuts out as the explosives start.... and now you post another clip that cuts at just before the black line is added in.

Kamakazi i would not bother wasting your time with close minded people.planes or no planes 911 was an inside job and until the 911 set up is reinvestigated no one will know the REAL TRUTH,so do not argue with these individuals because you will end up going around in circles,but its up to you my friend ;)

You see all these so called experts,all their footage and pics are completely real and everybody elses footage and pics are fake:confused:LOL:rolleyes:

im not trying to convince these stooges after all there not here for the truth. its for those who ARE after the truth and still think planes were used.

edit: i get warned for saying some guy is full of shit yet they throw out insults in each and every one of their posts? what a load of crap

helloperator

21-10-2008, 03:56 AM

check link;)

Flight 11 Unveiled - The X-11 Drone WTC 911:

http://x11drone.0catch.com/

I am not writing an essay about a black smudge,this link will explain it for you and another lot of queries one imagines:)

well...there you go...no 'link' can prove anything. You think links and videos on the internet really prove things?

lightgiver

21-10-2008, 04:02 AM

well...there you go...no 'link' can prove anything. You think links and videos on the internet really prove things?

so what does the MSM prove anything:confused:because half or 3 quarters of the footage on the internet came from the MSM:rolleyes:

http://x11drone.0catch.com/

you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

bigus_dickus

21-10-2008, 12:32 PM

fist fury

21-10-2008, 06:47 PM

since when does photoshop work on videos?

someone actually believes that a guy with something as simple as a pencil tool drew something on the video?

you could suggest that someone cast a magic spell and it all was magic, it would be more plausible.

and oh yeah, that picture is not very clear, can you BLUR IT A LITTLE MORE PLEASE? :rolleyes: shit..

They didnt edit out the 'squibs'. I think they did so on purpose, because a strong case of foul play can be proven by pointing out direct government doctoring of videos taken by witnesses. On the other hand, any image or video that originated from the government is either obstructed, and you cant see anything, or photoshopped.

mynameis

21-10-2008, 08:04 PM

They didnt edit out the 'squibs'. I think they did so on purpose, because a strong case of foul play can be proven by pointing out direct government doctoring of videos taken by witnesses. On the other hand, any image or video that originated from the government is either obstructed, and you cant see anything, or photoshopped.

All 911 footage does not originate from any government. 911 footage was shot by news crews, amateurs, and foreign news crews doing documentaries.

fist fury

21-10-2008, 08:48 PM

All 911 footage does not originate from any government. 911 footage was shot by news crews, amateurs, and foreign news crews doing documentaries.

I believe a large majority of the footage was actual on the spot recordings.

But there might be several fake shots that originated from the government, by those elements involved in the plot. Specifically some shots of the Pentagon plane 'remains', made to look like a regular airliner crashed. And the crap Pentagon 9/11 videos that seem edited to take off any discernible detail.

There's also some pre-made scripts that they gave the media to follow, just so people wont think on their own. Like the BBC's early call on the WTC7 demolition.

mynameis

21-10-2008, 08:53 PM

I believe a large majority of the footage was actual on the spot recordings.

But there might be several fake shots that originated from the government, by those elements involved in the plot. Specifically some shots of the Pentagon plane 'remains', made to look like a regular airliner crashed. And the crap Pentagon 9/11 videos that seem edited to take off any discernible detail.

There's also some pre-made scripts that they gave the media to follow, just so people wont think on their own. Like the BBC's early call on the WTC7 demolition.

I would say that about the pentagon videos, but the BBC clearly shows a cock up so that's not the government putting out anything .

ukor

22-10-2008, 12:04 AM

lol you guys are unreal. first you post a "full unedited" clip that cuts out as the explosives start.... and now you post another clip that cuts at just before the black line is added in.

There is no line "added in".
Once again it's a case of 2-D images of the 3-D world being used to confuse the suggestible.

Here's how:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17453&highlight=chek

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 12:34 AM

http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/2nd-hit/fooled-again-911.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/2nd-hit.html&h=299&w=444&sz=12&hl=en&start=56&um=1&usg=__Xfuzgx7kmi4gqBiyLT1UkdryoHU=&tbnid=tUGhiHW_pHHEBM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhelicopter%2Bon%2B911%2Bwith%2Bprojec tion%2Bscreen%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26 hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN

helloperator

22-10-2008, 12:55 AM

lol lightgiver....a smorgasboard of videos in your link....sheer weight of video links can't help you chief!

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 01:09 AM

lol lightgiver....a smorgasboard of videos in your link....sheer weight of video links can't help you chief!

Looking forward to all your info,where is it?,and why you are at it what is your take on things:confused:

You just make comments with no evidence of what you believe,what do you believe ?:confused:

I feel you are just here to disrupt this thread.

By the way i need no help.My life is fine.

Ben Rich, former head engineer to Kelly Johnson at Lockheed's 'Skunk Works' :

"We have things in the Nevada desert that you and the best minds in the world

won't even be able to conceive that we have for 30 or 40 years,

and won't be made public for another 50."

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

tracker

22-10-2008, 01:17 AM

the true conspiracy is this .
every one else is trying to make us believe it was terrorists lol ,

ive found a dart board that spent 2 weeks at an archery club as a target baord with less holes in it than the advertised terrorist crap of 9/11.:D

mynameis

22-10-2008, 01:51 AM

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 05:12 AM

http://www.911disinformation.com/noplanes/NoPlanesCounterEvidence.html

Tit for tat.

Yeah tit for tat:DLOL:D

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9245/250107womanwtcfw5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dr. A.K. Dewdney suggests an explanation for the way numerous 9-11 videos appear to show an aluminum airplane gliding into a steel and concrete building (From NoMoreGames.net Jan. 7):
"There is absolutely no question, should the perps have worrried that too much of the incoming aircraft would be left outside the tower, that the impact site could have been prepped with thermite and explosives to welcome the baby in with minimal fuss. In light of this alternative, one simply cannot make a claim of no planes without refuting the alternative, as well.
-----
This is certainly a feasible option which should be explored by 9/11 researchers, particularly those who are not so credulous as Dewdney in taking the video record at face value. Simple crash physics dictates that no Boeing airliner made those cartoon cut-outs;

Just trying to get to the truth.

do watch the vid,and do not skip it,you might learn something.

http://www.edgemediatv.com/watchonline005_ontheedge.html

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-5386487651203625811&ei=eZv-SLuUJaKy2gKQ8KClDQ&q=in+plane+site&hl=en

see ya tomorrow hopefully.night night.

2503

22-10-2008, 12:18 PM

haha i like how the building with the antenea got hit 1st.

Yeah thats real funny. Idiot.

mynameis

22-10-2008, 12:29 PM

"There is absolutely no question, should the perps have worrried that too much of the incoming aircraft would be left outside the tower, that the impact site could have been prepped with thermite and explosives to welcome the baby in with minimal fuss. In light of this alternative, one simply cannot make a claim of no planes without refuting the alternative, as well.
-----
This is certainly a feasible option which should be explored by 9/11 researchers, particularly those who are not so credulous as Dewdney in taking the video record at face value. Simple crash physics dictates that no Boeing airliner made those cartoon cut-outs;

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_40.gif

And how would this have gone unnoticed by thousands during the event seeing a physical plane hit the buildings. And to top it off, how would they get the hole to match the dimensions of a 767 airplane impact prior without there being a plane impacting to match a real 767.

hw spartan

22-10-2008, 02:02 PM

Yeah thats real funny. Idiot.

man, people must belt the fuck out of you at bars and clubs with your fucken attitude, go fuck your self...

kamakazi

22-10-2008, 02:13 PM

who the fuck appoints the mods in this joint?
you have all these stooges in here who do nothing but talk shit and distract from the real info yet there left to do as they please?
gimme a fucking break im so over this shit
are there any normal fucking users out there who are actually here for the right reasons coz i cant see any

hw spartan

22-10-2008, 02:16 PM

Yeah thats real funny. Idiot.

who the fuck appoints the mods in this joint?
you have all these stooges in here who do nothing but talk shit and distract from the real info yet there left to do as they please?
gimme a fucking break im so over this shit
are there any normal fucking users out there who are actually here for the right reasons coz i cant see any

you mean like some one calling some one a idiot?

kamakazi

22-10-2008, 02:27 PM

im over it just had to get that out now continue with the bullshit

2503

22-10-2008, 04:03 PM

man, people must belt the fuck out of you at bars and clubs with your fucken attitude, go fuck your self...

Firstly, i will apologise for calling you an idiot. But what you said really annoyed me.

"haha i like how the building with the antenea got hit 1st." - do you understand how a sentence like this about the death of thousands of people sounds?

Also i dont go to bars and clubs because they are usually full of people who are flexing their egos looking to "belt the fuck" out of other people. Not my sort of evening but each to their own.

helloperator

22-10-2008, 05:38 PM

Rofl...there is sooooooo much narky, niggly, one upmanship and name calling on this forum...and I'm not adverse ;)

helloperator

22-10-2008, 05:42 PM

Looking forward to all your info,where is it?,and why you are at it what is your take on things:confused:

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

I don't scrounge the internet for videos that other people have made and then use links to point everybody towards my cleverness. I don't think proof can be found on the internet...just opinions. The real proof is out there...

I'm really just an observer. I believe that 911 stinks to high heaven and that the richest and therefore probably the most unseen people in the world were responsible for 911.

Here...you can add this quotable quote to your intelligent stable of proverbs and sayings:

"He who hesitates masturbates."

sidlittle

22-10-2008, 07:25 PM

You picture is of smoke blocking light from entering the windows at the area of impact, you can see it very clear this isn't a pre-existing feature in the video. It could also be youtube upload pixelation problems.

As I thought no line in the high quality resolution version.

http://investigate911.se/video/WTC_1st_Hit_Full_Screen.avi
http://investigate911.se/video/WTC_1st_Hit_Full_Screen.avi

And before it is even mentioned, their video is slowed down for a reason, and has no sound.

http://investigate911.se/video/WTC_1st_Hit_Full_Screen.avi

Thanks for posting a hi-res video that clearly shows the plane-shaped hole being formed 6 seconds after impact of the 'plane'.

6 Fucking pages of a strawman debate. Fuck the 'pencil-in' gash. Instead, pause the video 'mynameis' posted at 19 seconds and see the secondary explosions rip through the facade. This is analyzed in 911 amateur part 2 from 2.25 min-4 min http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yjQmxS-DpyM&feature=PlayList&p=B2C5909A67D49AE0&index=0

http://i34.tinypic.com/167ru6u.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/fctkdl.jpg

There is no gash until six seconds after impact.

Smoke does not obscure the gash. There is no gash. It's not there. Period.

The Naudet film can be downloaded here
http://www.torrentz.com/search?q=naudet

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 07:47 PM

I don't scrounge the internet for videos that other people have made and then use links to point everybody towards my cleverness. I don't think proof can be found on the internet...just opinions. The real proof is out there...

I'm really just an observer. I believe that 911 stinks to high heaven and that the richest and therefore probably the most unseen people in the world were responsible for 911.

Here...you can add this quotable quote to your intelligent stable of proverbs and sayings:

"He who hesitates masturbates."

the real prove out there where?You need to get your facts before you post your observable opinions,i will ask again where is this proof out there?
Making condescending comments with no back up,does not help the TRUTH movement.
And i would not like to use your quote as it as no relevant meaning,more of a cheap shot.

"Open your eyes, look within. Are you satisfied with the life you’re living?

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 07:48 PM

Rofl...there is sooooooo much narky, niggly, one upmanship and name calling on this forum...and I'm not adverse ;)

I think you are the one who started with childish name calling,would you like me to link you to your posts,oh hypocritical one:rolleyes:

“If you get down and quarrel everyday, you’re saying prayers to the devil, I say”

http://www.livevideo.com/video/bsregistration/297494E2BE8F4B998498AC81071192A7/what-made-the-plane-shaped-hol.aspx

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 08:00 PM

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_40.gif

And how would this have gone unnoticed by thousands during the event seeing a physical plane hit the buildings. And to top it off, how would they get the hole to match the dimensions of a 767 airplane impact prior without there being a plane impacting to match a real 767.
The hole does not match a 767.Have you watched any of the vids posted,or are just choosing to ignore all these peoples views?
You mean maybe a holographic plane,who knows till we get the truth,you are just conjecturing:D
You need to take your head out of your .........and a funny little man will not help your cause,when i think of you this comes to mind,:D

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2300/sunshinedg4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Now thats funny.HA HA.

http://www.edgemediatv.com/watchonli...ontheedge.html

mynameis

22-10-2008, 08:13 PM

The hole does not match a 767.Have you watched any of the vids posted,or are just choosing to ignore all these peoples views?
You mean maybe a holographic plane,who knows till we get the truth,you are just conjecturing:D
You need to take your head out of your .........and a funny little man will not help your cause,when i think of you this comes to mind,:D

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2300/sunshinedg4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Now thats funny.HA HA.

http://www.edgemediatv.com/watchonli...ontheedge.html

Ya know, I must not be right because lightgiver is resorting to personal attacks. He even sent me a picture of himself. How lovely.

krakhead

22-10-2008, 08:15 PM

Can we get this thread away from 'you are', 'no, you are' type posts and begin discussing the topic at hand again?

No need for insults.

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 08:17 PM

Ya know, I must not be right because lightgiver is resorting to personal attacks. He even sent me a picture of himself. How lovely.

Maybe i have to remind you once again.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39053&page=5

Nothing personnel,its just what comes to mind,like i say when i think of close minded people.

You should judge a tree by its fruits.

mynameis

22-10-2008, 08:22 PM

Maybe i have to remind you once again.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39053&page=5

Nothing personnel,its just what comes to mind,like i say when i think of close minded people.

I asked you, where is your proof of a holographic emitter that functions on the scale you suggest. And you can't provide anything credibly documented. I've already seen that stuff before you've posted before. Yet you keep referencing material that does not have a valid source of information. You're right, I'm still not going to bother with your nonsense until you post something that has a shred of credibility. I'm only close minded to improper forms of information that are not credible sources. Ya fruits are rotten get your money back. Ta-Ta...

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 08:26 PM

I asked you, where is your proof of a holographic emitter that functions on the scale you suggest. And you can't provide anything credibly documented. I've already seen that stuff before you've posted before. Yet you keep referencing material that does not have a valid source of information. You're right, I'm still not going to bother with your nonsense until you post something that has a shred of credibility. I'm only close minded to improper forms of information that are not credible sources. Ya fruits are rotten get your money back. Ta-Ta...

And you have no proof to the contrary either.

“I believe that the human race has developed a form of collective schizophrenia in which we are not only the slaves to this imposed thought behavior, but we are also the police force of it.”

and my fruits are bountiful:)

Military Technology | Hologram projectors.. |:

http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=86

“Infinite love is the only truth. Everything else is illusion.”

mynameis

22-10-2008, 08:31 PM

And you have no proof to the contrary either.

Proof to the contrary that something doesn't exist? Am I the only one reading this? Here's a question do purple people eaters exist? Can you prove it? Show me proof to the contrary please?

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 08:33 PM

Proof to the contrary that something doesn't exist? Am I the only one reading this? Here's a question do purple people eaters exist? Can you prove it?

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground.

You have no idea what technology exists,maybe purple eaters do exist,who knows,what is the colour purple where is the colour purple?who are the purple eaters?:D

Ben Rich, former head engineer to Kelly Johnson at Lockheed's 'Skunk Works' :

"We have things in the Nevada desert that you and the best minds in the world

won't even be able to conceive that we have for 30 or 40 years,

and won't be made public for another 50."

I am not getting into irrelevant debates leading off the thread otherwise it will get closed,we have been warned.

mynameis

22-10-2008, 08:35 PM

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground.

You have no idea what technology exists,maybe purple eaters do exist,who knows,what is the colour purple where is the colour purple?who are the purple eaters?:D

Yes we do know what kinds of technology exists, because they publish journals and technology patents.

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 08:45 PM

Yes we do know what kinds of technology exists, because they publish journals and technology patents.

Do you actually read my posts???

Ben Rich, former head engineer to Kelly Johnson at Lockheed's 'Skunk Works' :

"We have things in the Nevada desert that you and the best minds in the world

won't even be able to conceive that we have for 30 or 40 years,

and won't be made public for another 50."

Skunk Works is an official alias for Lockheed Martin’s Advanced Development Programs, formerly called Lockheed Advanced Development Projects. Skunk Works is responsible for a number of famous aircraft designs, including the U-2, the SR-71, the F-117, and the F-22. Its largest current project is the F-35 Lightning II, which will be used in the air forces of several countries around the world. Production is expected to last for up to four decades.

"Skunk works" or "skunkworks" is widely used in business, engineering, and technical fields to describe a group within an organization given a high degree of autonomy and unhampered by bureaucracy, tasked with working on advanced or secret projects.

I am not getting into irrelevant debates leading off the thread otherwise it will get closed,we have been warned.

mynameis

22-10-2008, 08:49 PM

Do you actually read my posts???

Ben Rich, former head engineer to Kelly Johnson at Lockheed's 'Skunk Works' :

"We have things in the Nevada desert that you and the best minds in the world

won't even be able to conceive that we have for 30 or 40 years,

and won't be made public for another 50."

Skunk Works is an official alias for Lockheed Martin’s Advanced Development Programs, formerly called Lockheed Advanced Development Projects. Skunk Works is responsible for a number of famous aircraft designs, including the U-2, the SR-71, the F-117, and the F-22. Its largest current project is the F-35 Lightning II, which will be used in the air forces of several countries around the world. Production is expected to last for up to four decades.

"Skunk works" or "skunkworks" is widely used in business, engineering, and technical fields to describe a group within an organization given a high degree of autonomy and unhampered by bureaucracy, tasked with working on advanced or secret projects.

I am not getting into irrelevant debates leading off the thread otherwise it will get closed,we have been warned.

I can imagine why his statement would encourage the mind to wander. However, I think if he was an employee he'd have pay stubs to prove it. Also, how do you know that he's not a one man propaganda campaign being so close to the program? I take all associations with the ability to prove their stories.

See how this works. I just citied a biography from a source that is credible to an extent:

Ben R. Rich
http://nationalaviation.blade6.donet.com/components/content_manager_v02/view_nahf/htdocs/menu_ps.asp?NodeID=-371222602&group_ID=1134656385&Parent_ID=-1

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 08:52 PM

I can imagine why his statement would encourage the mind to wander. However, I think if he was an employee he'd have pay stubs to prove it. Also, how do you know that he's not a one man propaganda campaign being so close to the program? I take all associations with the ability to prove their stories.

I am debateting this issue no longer,as it is futile,i have posted enough info and there is plenty more,so you carry on with YOUR conjecture,whatever makes you happy,and i will leave you with the last word:rolleyes:

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do." -----Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, in a lecture shortly before he died

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Rich
http://books.google.fr/books?as_auth=Ben+R+Rich&source=an&sa=X&oi=book_group&resnum=4&ct=title&cad=author-navigational
http://www.f-117a.com/Ben.html

mynameis

22-10-2008, 08:55 PM

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do." -----Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, in a lecture shortly before he died

Is it on a recording? Was it printed in a newspaper? :rolleyes:

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 09:11 PM

I am debateting this issue no longer,as it is futile,i have posted enough info and there is plenty more,so you carry on with YOUR conjecture,whatever makes you happy,and i will leave you with the last word:rolleyes:

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do." -----Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, in a lecture shortly before he died

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Rich
http://books.google.fr/books?as_auth=Ben+R+Rich&source=an&sa=X&oi=book_group&resnum=4&ct=title&cad=author-navigational
http://www.f-117a.com/Ben.html
http://innovation.swmed.edu/research/instrumentation/res_inst_dev3d.html

i suppose you will have an excuse to ignore the facts,i am done now.Over and out.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/702/planesa9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is this a real plane?

mynameis

22-10-2008, 10:17 PM

http://innovation.swmed.edu/research/instrumentation/res_inst_dev3d.html

i suppose you will have an excuse to ignore the facts,i am done now.Over and out.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/702/planesa9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is this a real plane [model]?

Just fixing it for you.

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 10:24 PM

Just fixing it for you.
no it is not a model:p but i am not giving you the link until later,you only deserve half a cup,because you never go to the links any how,and you never state your version of events.

Never refute anything until you have refutable evidence.

dave52

22-10-2008, 10:26 PM

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do." -----Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, in a lecture shortly before he died

This is a great quote Lightgiver...! Thanks.

The mind is a wonderful thing - it's a shame to keep it closed.

mynameis

22-10-2008, 10:29 PM

no it is not a model:p but i am not giving you the link until later,you only deserve half a cup,because you never go to the links any how,and you never state your version of events.

Never refute anything until you have refutable evidence.

So it's a model, thanks for sharing. It's still not a video or a photograph of what this whole subsection of the board is created for. If I think its a model its a model, if I think it's a plane its a plane. Neither of these assertions rely on the fact that I am correct or incorrect about 9/11 footage, photographs, and information. :D

Deception doesn't work in your favor, so be truthful. I do.

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 10:40 PM

So it's a model, thanks for sharing. It's still not a video or a photograph of what this whole subsection of the board is created for. If I think its a model its a model, if I think it's a plane its a plane. Neither of these assertions rely on the fact that I am correct or incorrect about 9/11 footage, photographs, and information. :D

NO it is not a model,it is holographic,are you purposely trying to get this thread closed?

Just because holographic technology is incongruous with your thinking,does not mean they do not have this technology,and this subject is irrefutable.
I cannot give an opinion on your 911 theory as i do not know your theory?

mynameis

22-10-2008, 10:42 PM

NO it is not a model,it is holographic,are you purposely trying to get this thread closed?

Just because holographic technology is incongruous with your thinking,does not mean they do not have this technology,and this subject is irrefutable.
I cannot give an opinion on your 911 theory as i do not know your theory?

If anyone is doing that it wouldn't me me. A model is a model, holographic or not. And your picture of a model is just that based on what you claim... now what kind of technology would emit such a moving model at the size and scale of your conjecture? Name the technology please, we are all waiting.

lightgiver

22-10-2008, 10:45 PM

If anyone is doing that it wouldn't me me. A model is a model, holographic or not. And your picture of a model is just that, now what kind of technology would emit such a moving model at the size and scale of your conjecture? Name the technology please, we are all waiting.

All links available on my previous posts.Always the last word,:DLOL:D

I am deffo done now.This is just turning into a circular debate,all the info is there.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.DENIAL is always the best medicine for some.

blueyonder2012

22-10-2008, 11:13 PM

Found this site that is very interesting:

http://www.hawkscafe.com/

;)

hw spartan

23-10-2008, 12:49 AM

.......

its ok mate, my opologize also.
i should stay away from people 9\11 threads
and stay on my one.:cool:
its very hard to explain why i found it funny that the tower with the anteana was hit..
i have to admit, im a sceptic of both conspiracies, 1st bin laden 2nd did it to them selves
i dont belive in those 2 options, thus my"spartans talk on 9\11" thread
but im aloud to have my opinion, only i shouldnt of answerd this thread.

its cool:)

helloperator

23-10-2008, 01:46 AM

I think you are the one who started with childish name calling,would you like me to link you to your posts,oh hypocritical one:rolleyes:

“If you get down and quarrel everyday, you’re saying prayers to the devil, I say”

http://www.livevideo.com/video/bsregistration/297494E2BE8F4B998498AC81071192A7/what-made-the-plane-shaped-hol.aspx

I sssaaaaiiiddd I wasn't adverse....