Are we too paranoid?

[11kushna11]

Hi all,

I'd been lurking here for a while before joining up, and I really enjoy the energy and the open-mindedness of the discussions here. It seems more now than ever we are in a time and place where we have the ability to work together to determine what is truth, and what is illusion. This is truly a great time to be alive and an exciting period in our development, both as individuals and as a species.

Recently I've come home to spend a few days with my parents, both of whom are stable, intelligent and worldly people who read, research and have a casual interest in a variety of 'fringe' topics. We've spent a lot of time the last couple of days talking about 'waking up' and they think I spend too much time and emotional energy worrying about things that can't be changed, solved or proved. By our definition they would be 'asleep' but it's difficult for me to regard them as such.

My point is, are we, as 'awake' people, naturally too paranoid? Do we actually waste a lot of positive energy in worrying about 'sheep' and 'conditioning' and 'sub-conscious programming'? Does 'waking up' somehow distort the problem further by throwing us into a world where nothing can be taken at face value and nobody is to be trusted?

I see a lot of mudslinging here and on other sites dealing with 'fringe' topics. People are accused of being 'disinformation agents', the 'masses' are regarded as a subversive 'herd' conditioned by the 'powers that be' and we spend our time searching through the intricate details of everything to identify irregularities, which are then blown into a conspiracy or a plot device for control.

My biggest worry is that we are in fact the people bringing these things into objective reality by focusing all our attention on them. The more people that 'wake up', the more 'real' the NWO becomes in our minds and all the paranoia begins to manifest itself everywhere you look.

I enjoy life a lot and I spend a lot of time just goofing around with my friends, playing football, watching movies, making music etc and I feel like I'm only truly experiencing the real vitality of life itself in those moments. I don't go to 'sleep', I just choose not to dwell on the bleak world view that I glean from knowing what it's really all about.

Recently I've become more and more convinced that I'm merely driving myself into a mental black hole by obsessively researching and discovering just how fucked up the world is, and while it's interesting, engaging and important, I feel like it's in danger of becoming a negative addiction.

I feel like true spirituality lies outside of all the conspiracy stuff, and that we are sometimes worrying about the world at the detriment of our own evolvement. It's impossible to meditate while watching television, just it's impossible to acheive inner peace while shrouded in negativity.

I love what we do here and of course I will continue to engage in discussion since it keeps life interesting for me. But ultimately maybe we as a community have to learn to call a spade a spade, accept that not everything and everyone has a negative agenda, and begin to enrich ourselves with positive actions, thoughts and vibrations.

Just the ramblings of a mad-man :p

[lookfar]

Hi kushna

I agree with what you're saying, we do have to be careful where we draw the line with all this stuff.

I think being aware of whats going on is enough, as long as it doesn't totally take over your life. Focusing on the more positive sides of things, where we can actually improve ourselves & not be manipulated by what's going on is the most important thing we can all do IMO. I've still got lots to learn about this, but I strongly believe it's essential that it all comes from within ourselves before we can do anything about it externally.

[tinmenace]

Kushna,

It's a very personal thing. What is right for you, may not be right for the next person. Just follow your instincts and intuition. That's the best advice I can give you. There is no right or wrong with this because we're all experiencing different realities and we're all here for different reasons.

Don't try to intellectualize it. You can't. Just do the things that make you happy and that bring you peace. That's it!

What makes you happy is very different to what makes me happy, but we're both happy and that's all that matters.

It's that simple. ;)

[11kushna11]

Hi lookfar,

Couldn't agree more. I think exessive 'awareness' can become unhealthy after a while... it becomes paramount to unbridled cynicism about everything around you.

If this life really is an illusion then we don't have to take it quite so seriously. The happiest memories I have are of those times when none of this actually mattered. And although I wouldn't compromise my world view for anything now, I do sometimes resent the fact that life is suddenly so complex, nefarious and false... almost to the point where I feel like a little bit of selective, voluntary ignorance isn't such a bad thing sometimes.

[11kushna11]

Kushna,

It's a very personal thing. What is right for you, may not be right for the next person. Just follow your instincts and intuition. That's the best advice I can give you. There is no right or wrong with this because we're all experiencing different realities and we're all here for different reasons.

Don't try to intellectualize it. You can't. Just do the things that make you happy and that bring you peace. That's it!

What makes you happy is very different to what makes me happy, but we're both happy and that's all that matters.

It's that simple. ;)

Excellent summary and perspective. Thanks! :)

[tinmenace]

yw ;)

[auron]

I feel like true spirituality lies outside of all the conspiracy stuff, and that we are sometimes worrying about the world at the detriment of our own evolvement. It's impossible to meditate while watching television, just it's impossible to acheive inner peace while shrouded in negativity.

Wow! Someone here on my wavelength! I have read all your post and all i can say is i totally agree with you. Just don't focus too much on all the negative shit in the world, and you'll be fine. Trust me.

Auron :)

[lookfar]

Hi lookfar,

Couldn't agree more. I think exessive 'awareness' can become unhealthy after a while... it becomes paramount to unbridled cynicism about everything around you.

If this life really is an illusion then we don't have to take it quite so seriously. The happiest memories I have are of those times when none of this actually mattered. And although I wouldn't compromise my world view for anything now, I do sometimes resent the fact that life is suddenly so complex, nefarious and false... almost to the point where I feel like a little bit of selective, voluntary ignorance isn't such a bad thing sometimes.

I think just go with what feels right to you as Tin has pointed out, we are all here for different reasons.

When learning about this stuff, I believe we mustn't forget to live in the NOW as well... go out & enjoy life, spend time with loved ones, travel & do the things that make you happy, they're all learning experiences too & important ones!!:)

Having the knowledge is empowering. I definitely wouldn't go back to being 'asleep', although I must admit it does sometimes seem easier, but nothing good can be achieved without some sort of price to pay:)

[i_am]

Wow! Someone here on my wavelength! I have read all your post and all i can say is i totally agree with you. Just don't focus too much on all the negative shit in the world, and you'll be fine. Trust me.

Auron :)

Mine too :D

I believe it is good to be aware of the games being played. I will resist, I will join a peaceful protest but I will not fight for peace. I will fight them, however, if they try to put a chip into my body :p and I will inform others of the dangers.

I see a lot of paranoia on this forum. There is a lot of intellectualising and paranoia about numbers. I don't ignore these signs but you can always make something out of nothing if you try hard enough. It is like all of the statistics the ptb throw at us. FFS they are going to come out one or another anyway. Poll a different cross section and it will have an entirely different outcome.

For me the knowledge helps me to stay detached and not become emotionally involved in a lot of stuff. That is not to say I don't feel compassion for those unfortunately caught up in the shit. I most certainly do. Often I feel frustration that others can't see what is blatantly obvious to me but rarely do I feel anger.

I think that when you dwell too much on the negativity, giving it energy, you are feeding the matrix.

After all, It IS all an illusion and infinite Love IS the only Truth.

That is how I see it, my truth, and it works for me. That is not to say that it is anyone else's truth.

[auron]

Damn right I am. When it comes to everyone being chipped, They'll never fucking find me! I know the perfect place to be - where these fuckers will never find us! :)

[earthseed]

I wish we could actually say we are too aware sometimes people can't see that awareness and paranoia are the same thing. See the movie They Live we can all turn into that character and there is no going back.

[aznality]

Recently I've become more and more convinced that I'm merely driving myself into a mental black hole by obsessively researching and discovering just how fucked up the world is, and while it's interesting, engaging and important, I feel like it's in danger of becoming a negative addiction.

Somebody else in this thread has stated everyone is different, which I agree. I have to add this though. Since 2005 I have been endlessly researching dozens of topics and to me, it is fun. Too bad I have academic life to worry about. But when I have more spare time in my holidays, I'm usually reading my material. Of course I still have other pastimes and a social life also. I have yet to feel a negative addiction with my research. But for yourself, whatever you feel is the right amount for you. :)

And paranoia, I believe it is more of a term that "other" people brand us with. Are we paranoid? I'd say no. They have their own obsessions and beliefs, we have ours. We are no different from the rest. :cool:

[auron]

Paranoia comes with the territory of researching this material for the first time. Trust me, i was totally paranoid with everything, until i read "Infinite Love Is The Only Truth" After a few weeks from reading that, i was fine!

Now everything i see in "life" is a total fucking joke! I am happy all the time, instead of being "depressed" all the time. It feels really liberating man! :)

[11kushna11]

And paranoia, I believe it is more of a term that "other" people brand us with. Are we paranoid? I'd say no. They have their own obsessions and beliefs, we have ours. We are no different from the rest. :cool:

I agree, everybody has their vices and at least ours is productive, enlightening and beneficial to others... I'd much rather be a passionate 'truth-seeker' than a junkie or an alocoholic.

But it seems ultimately it's about striking a healthy balance and making sure that no matter what absorbs your time, you are happy, healthy and open-minded. I'm still pretty young so I'm sure it'll take a bit of time to get the balance right and cultivate the right kind of perspective for me.

Thanks for all your replies guys, means a lot.

[lottie]

Great thread Kushna, its a brilliant topic to bring to light as i have been battling within myself as to whether i am paranoid or not- but after reading/researching so many different subjects that have been corrupted and there's conspiracy involved you soon realise that to the masses it looks like paranoia but to those who are awake- is not paranoia- its actually happening!!

I am tired of being told im paranoid about these things- especially when im told by people who are completely asleep and know nothing about the corruption we are subjected to. (but i can understand that) the other thing is that when im in conversation with my friends about anything to do with conspiracies, im often accused of being 'obsessed' by David Icke- i often respond with 'well thats the only box you can put me in because you dont understand it all- and dont want to learn, so thats fine- i actually think its 'passion' for these subjects but you put me in that box if it makes you feel better' i also have to remind them that this isnt about David Icke its about the subjects discussed by him- there's hundreds/thousands of people saying the same thing but because thats the name they've picked up on and most relate to- he's the one i get labelled with 'obsession'!! :rolleyes:

I have had words with the other half about all this stuff as he feels i spend a lot of my time reading stuff about conspiracies and on the net etc etc- but after talking about it - he said he wanted me to get a hobby or become passionate about something ( he meant physical ) for instance he's into racing bikes and stuff- everything and anything to do with motorbikes and speed etc etc, but i explained these are material things that i dont get the same passion for-thats his passion not mine- i said my passion lies within the conspiracies network and whats going on in our world, how its going to affect our future etc trying to keep up with their latest lies and agenda- thats what interests me and really excites me and i feel passionate about. He totally understood and agreed after that and now lets me get on with it!! He listens to theories about stuff and finds it hard to understand sometimes- like when i tried to explain the Matthew Delooze article about festivals but he's never accused me of being paranoid!! obsessed but not paranoid!!

and to be honest although i disagree with the label obsessed as i think passionate is the more accurate description- i still think its a worthy obsession- this is the greatest conspiracy known to man that we are looking into right now- this is going to affect THE WORLD - so i'd say if i was going to be labelled with the word obsessed- i could think of worse things to be obsessed about, this affects EVERYONE and everything we ever knew or have been taught as a human race, the biggest manipulation EVER! :)

[tinmenace]

Somebody else in this thread has stated everyone is different, which I agree. I have to add this though. Since 2005 I have been endlessly researching dozens of topics and to me, it is fun. Too bad I have academic life to worry about. But when I have more spare time in my holidays, I'm usually reading my material. Of course I still have other pastimes and a social life also. I have yet to feel a negative addiction with my research. But for yourself, whatever you feel is the right amount for you. :)

And paranoia, I believe it is more of a term that "other" people brand us with. Are we paranoid? I'd say no. They have their own obsessions and beliefs, we have ours. We are no different from the rest. :cool:

Agreed!

[edelweiss pirate]

Really not paranoid enough...

The whole world really is against us...

The daily challenge is managing to have more energy than the world which wants to eat you...

If you ever get to the point where the world around you has more energy than you, then your life starts to collapse by a concerted and destructive sequence of events....

Everyday is a battle... Or like a work-out...

Ever notice why the worse things happen to the vulnerable people in our world while the strong psychopaths have an easy ride? The world preys on the weak....

[lottie]

yes and another point is- when you have researched the depths that this network of 'elitists' have infiltrated - and the points we can prove so far- like the fact they are poisoning us through our air- (chemtrails) food and drink-(fluoride,msg,additives,aspartame ) attacking our brains with masts emmitting harmful waves of kinds, attacking our psyche through the media- manipulating our brains with subliminal messaging, i can go on- but you all get the general jist... its not being paranoid when you consider their newest move- its just accepting that they will sink to the lowest of lows in order to control us... its actually good to question their motives to look at what they are doing and find cracks in their official versions of things- this is something we havnt been doing in the past and that ignorance has allowed them to gain control and domination over us- no one questions the government anymore- we are entitled to though- the government are meant to 'serve' the people- if we arnt checking what they are doing and questioning them and being a little paranoid about it- then they can get away with this manipulation and we are allowing them to be underhand- its our responsibility as people to question our government!

[tru3]

really nice post, with lots of insight. :) good questions to be asking oneself, imv.


My point is, are we, as 'awake' people, naturally too paranoid? Do we actually waste a lot of positive energy in worrying about 'sheep' and 'conditioning' and 'sub-conscious programming'? Does 'waking up' somehow distort the problem further by throwing us into a world where nothing can be taken at face value and nobody is to be trusted?

imo, anything we give attention to begins to accumulate energy. it creates 'memes' persistent thought-forms that take on a life of their own. i have always felt that 'end-timers' and 'left behind' fans are creating exactly what they fear (although some, deep-down, really want armageddon to happen).

are we doing the same thing? could well be.

I see a lot of mudslinging here and on other sites dealing with 'fringe' topics. People are accused of being 'disinformation agents', the 'masses' are regarded as a subversive 'herd' conditioned by the 'powers that be' and we spend our time searching through the intricate details of everything to identify irregularities, which are then blown into a conspiracy or a plot device for control.

truthseeking certainly can take on a life of its own. every once in a while i have to take a step back, take a breath, and take stock of where my heads at.

it's possible, just possible (but not likely) that all conspiracy theorists are just frustrated by the insanity of life, and there's nothing more to it.

well, i've always liked 'ghost stories'. maybe that's all this is, but it's still fascinating. ;)

I feel like true spirituality lies outside of all the conspiracy stuff, and that we are sometimes worrying about the world at the detriment of our own evolvement. It's impossible to meditate while watching television, just it's impossible to acheive inner peace while shrouded in negativity.

I love what we do here and of course I will continue to engage in discussion since it keeps life interesting for me. But ultimately maybe we as a community have to learn to call a spade a spade, accept that not everything and everyone has a negative agenda, and begin to enrich ourselves with positive actions, thoughts and vibrations.

Just the ramblings of a mad-man

the only good thing on network tv is the simpsons, imv.

i guess if i could sum up my approach in two words, they would be: awareness and discernment. many times, we throw the baby out with the bathwater. take what resonates, and be open to the rest. :)

[tinmenace]

like the fact they are poisoning us through our air- (chemtrails) food and drink-(fluoride,msg,additives,aspartame ) attacking our brains with masts emmitting harmful waves of kinds, attacking our psyche through the media- ...

Yep, I don't even cook with tap water.

[lottie]

Yep, I don't even cook with tap water.


really what do you use? i was thinking the same thing recently- obviously a good way to get us is through our main water systems but i was also thinking the same can be said for bottled water- how do you know whats really in it?!! do you boil your water? or does that not remove all the harmful stuff? you cant even use bloody rain water which previously i'd have said is the most natural but with all the chemtrails- rainwater is prob full of chemicals too!! :rolleyes:

[i am all i am]

Hi all,..............

.............My point is, are we, as 'awake' people, naturally too paranoid? Do we actually waste a lot of positive energy in worrying about 'sheep' and 'conditioning' and 'sub-conscious programming'? Does 'waking up' somehow distort the problem further by throwing us into a world where nothing can be taken at face value and nobody is to be trusted?...................

............ It's impossible to meditate while watching television, just it's impossible to acheive inner peace while shrouded in negativity.

G'day Kushna.

Two points stood out to me from your post.

Firstly, trust someone (or something) to be the way they are (or it is) until they (or it) changes. Your own inner guidance is the key to understanding what you are facing and how you can deal with the situation. For example, trust the politicians that are in power to be the way they have shown themselves to be through their actions UNTIL they show themselves to have changed the way they are, and then trust them to be that way UNTIL they once again change the way they are.

Secondly, nothing is impossible unless believing makes it so. Everything is possible, or all is possible, unless you believe otherwise, which you manifest as your reality.

Ultimately, everything is merely information, or data, and it is your choice how you perceive it and how you choose to describe yourself in reltionship to it.



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[misscpb]

My biggest worry is that we are in fact the people bringing these things into objective reality by focusing all our attention on them. The more people that 'wake up', the more 'real' the NWO becomes in our minds and all the paranoia begins to manifest itself everywhere you look.


You know I was thinking the same thing myself, especially if you believe in the laws of attraction and manifestation. I remember someone stating with regards to war not to say "no more war" as that concentrates on the issue, and to say "peace". It does make you think and if we are continually focusing on all the nwo things that are coming into place, are we giving more energy to them. Yet on the other hand its important that we are aware and let others know what is happening. I suppose a balance is needed.

[tinmenace]

really what do you use? i was thinking the same thing recently- obviously a good way to get us is through our main water systems but i was also thinking the same can be said for bottled water- how do you know whats really in it?!! do you boil your water? or does that not remove all the harmful stuff? you cant even use bloody rain water which previously i'd have said is the most natural but with all the chemtrails- rainwater is prob full of chemicals too!! :rolleyes:

I use distilled water. I buy 9 gallons every week ($1.20 for three gallons) and I use it for all tea, coffee, cooking and of course drinking. I use it to cook pasta, everything...

I think the recycle guy loves me!

I don't know that distilled water is the best thing either, but in my mind it's the purest. Distilled water flushes your body of important minerals and vitamins so if you're drinking it, use something else in between, maybe a trustworthy mineral water or spring water. Like some people are conneuseurs of wine, I'm a conneuseur of water. I can taste the difference between Dasani and distilled, for example, and tap is the MOST revolting water, especially where I live.

[lottie]

ahaaa!! i think lookfar has one of those distilling machines- i tasted her water when i was there and it tasted awful but she thinks it tastes lovely- its just coz im used to tap water- she has the machine you fill up and it filters it- its a big contraption but she swears by it!! (sorry lookfar- your water is probably lovely im just not used to it!!!lol)
maybe i should invest in one- at this rate im not gonna be able to eat or drink anything!!! LOL!!!! :D

[i am all i am]

I use distilled water. I buy 9 gallons every week ($1.20 for three gallons) and I use it for all tea, coffee, cooking and of course drinking. I use it to cook pasta, everything...

I think the recycle guy loves me!

I don't know that distilled water is the best thing either, but in my mind it's the purest. Distilled water flushes your body of important minerals and vitamins so if you're drinking it, use something else in between, maybe a trustworthy mineral water or spring water. Like some people are conneuseurs of wine, I'm a conneuseur of water. I can taste the difference between Dasani and distilled, for example, and tap is the MOST revolting water, especially where I live.

G'day sunshine.

I haven't used tap water to cook with for over eight years now and haven't had any tap water to drink for over ten years.

I use spring water that I know where it is collected from. There is such a difference in taste, and of course none of the chemical shit in tap water gets cooked into the food.


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[lookfar]

ahaaa!! i think lookfar has one of those distilling machines- i tasted her water when i was there and it tasted awful but she thinks it tastes lovely- its just coz im used to tap water- she has the machine you fill up and it filters it- its a big contraption but she swears by it!! (sorry lookfar- your water is probably lovely im just not used to it!!!lol)
maybe i should invest in one- at this rate im not gonna be able to eat or drink anything!!! LOL!!!! :D

Ahhh so you're slagging off my distiller now eh honey pants, hehe??!!;) It certainly tastes better than the crap that comes out of the tap, that tastes like chlorine & god knows what else!! I suppose it is an acquired taste, but it's definitely better for you that tap water (& I love my machine!!:) ), but I agree with Tin that you shouldn't drink it all the time.

[tinmenace]

Hiya IAAIA, :)

Yes, it sure makes quite a difference. You're so lucky to have a good source of spring water. I don't trust any of the local brands, and that's based only on flavor. Distilled is delicious and I would say it's my favorite 'flavor' right now :D

There was a place in South Africa where we used to go hiking all the time, and there was a spring we would drink from. It was the most delicious cold water I've ever tasted. So sweet...just wonderful.

Hugs
Tin :)

[i am all i am]

Hiya IAAIA, :)

Yes, it sure makes quite a difference. You're so lucky to have a good source of spring water. I don't trust any of the local brands, and that's based only on flavor. Distilled is delicious and I would say it's my favorite 'flavor' right now :D

There was a place in South Africa where we used to go hiking all the time, and there was a spring we would drink from. It was the most delicious cold water I've ever tasted. So sweet...just wonderful.

Hugs
Tin :)

G'day gorgeous.

Yeah, when I was living without a house, or 'on the street', I had access to some natural spring water in the Blue Mountains area. This shits all over any other source of water by far, of course not literally. The taste is amazing, pure, refreshing, keep adding your own superlatives and they are all true. I could feel the difference within the body when and as I drank it. I have been blessed to have had the same opportunity at other areas and have found the same applies to drinking it. Swimming in a natural spring is a beautiful experience as well, the skin benefits greatly from being immersed in such a pure and natural source of water, and it literally revitalises the body.

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[tinmenace]

Ahhh so you're slagging off my distiller now eh honey pants, hehe??!!;) It certainly tastes better than the crap that comes out of the tap, that tastes like chlorine & god knows what else!! I suppose it is an acquired taste, but it's definitely better for you that tap water (& I love my machine!!:) ), but I agree with Tin that you shouldn't drink it all the time.

The distilled water we buy is so delicious. It's just clean and fresh and it's tastelessness is almost sweet. I'll opt for a glass of it over any cool drink. :D

I find it very difficult not to drink anything else...:o

[tinmenace]

G'day gorgeous.

Yeah, when I was living without a house, or 'on the street', I had access to some natural spring water in the Blue Mountains area. This shits all over any other source of water by far, of course not literally. The taste is amazing, pure, refreshing, keep adding your own superlatives and they are all true. I could feel the difference within the body when and as I drank it. I have been blessed to have had the same opportunity at other areas and have found the same applies to drinking it. Swimming in a natural spring is a beautiful experience as well, the skin benefits greatly from being immersed in such a pure and natural source of water, and it literally revitalises the body.


Agreed! Swimming in a spring is exhilarating!

[lookfar]

The distilled water we buy is so delicious. It's just clean and fresh and it's tastelessness is almost sweet. I'll opt for a glass of it over any cool drink. :D

I find it very difficult not to drink anything else...:o

I totally agree Tin, you can't beat distilled water IMO. I think we've gotten so used to the bad tasting water in the UK that when it tastes of nothing in particular, it may take some getting used to. I love the stuff & can't beat a nice cold glass (as well as for fine tasting tea & cooking etc) :D