UFO helicopter

[loveemotion]

here is a link what appeares to be is self propelent helicopter :eek:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Love and Light!

[loveemotion]

as you saw top propellers dont even move.. on the other side rear one moves due to movement of the helicopter and probably it doesnt help helicopter fly..
Something else make it fly..
LAL

[auron]

Hey do ya' know what? I get black helicopters all the time looking at what I'm doing. And do ya know what? Fuck em! These guys used to make me shit scared all the time about everything. Now i realize their just a fucking illusion! I know that there is some force watching my every step, but now i couldn't give a shit, because i want these fucks to know who i am. I now know for a fact that these fuckers cann'ot harm me - Because i now know how the game works! :D

So yes, you motherfuckers! I know who you are! You know who I am! Fucking try your best! You can't touch me, because i have infinite love on my side!

:D :D :D

Auron :)

http://www.badongo.com/t/640/654636.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=4494&dateline=1179348528&type=profile

[tinmenace]

here is a link what appeares to be is self propelent helicopter :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui7kplE4CwY&NR=1

Love and Light!

Whoa! That's really interesting! Thanks for posting it.

[lightbeing]

Hey do ya' know what? I get black helicopters all the time looking at what I'm doing. And do ya know what? Fuck em! These guys used to make me shit scared all the time about everything. Now i realize their just a fucking illusion! I know that there is some force watching my every step, but now i couldn't give a shit, because i want these fucks to know who i am. I now know for a fact that these fuckers cann'ot harm me - Because i now know how the game works! :D

So yes, you motherfuckers! I know who you are! You know who I am! Fucking try your best! You can't touch me, because i have infinite love on my side!

:D :D :D

Auron :)

http://www.badongo.com/t/640/654636.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=4494&dateline=1179348528&type=profile

Good one Auron, I like your tone & style:)

[tinmenace]

My husband says it has to do with the rotation speed and the frame rate of the camera being the same.

So, if the rotors are spinning at 30 times per second, for example, and the frame rate is the same speed, then it will appear as though they are standing still.

He says also that sometimes at night when driving, the wheels of other cars look like they're standing still or going backwards. That has to do with hertz of the lamps.

[auron]

Life is just like a dream! They can only harm you, if you believe they can harm you! Know what i mean?

Auron :)

[loveemotion]

auron i feel ya :D
LAL

[misscpb]

here is a link what appeares to be is self propelent helicopter :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui7kplE4CwY&NR=1

Love and Light!

Hi

Thank you for that video, you can still hear what sounds like propeller blades going around but yet you cannot see them. Who knows hey.

Take Care

[lottie]

OMFG!!! those propellers are clearly not turning at speed or otherwise- i know what you mean Tin- i see what your husband sees too- when you see a car on tv often the hubcaps look like they are spinning backwards!! but that helicopter is clearly not using those propellars!! (IMO) :confused:

[edelweiss pirate]

Oh dear, here we go marching gaily along to fruit loop central...

Clue: It's a model....

[lottie]

Fair enough eidelweiss but prehaps we're not all as observant as you!! just giving my point of view- i cant see anything but a floating helicopter what else am i meant to think? im not saying its a definate but from where im standing- it looks dodgy!! this is the 1st time ive seen this- i havnt looked into it a great deal- just giving my opinion!! im not a fruitloop- just because i cant see its a model!! how do you know its a model?

[tinmenace]

What proof do you have that it's a model EP?

[graflok]

Think it's a model?

Have you seen the #2 video?

video link

And, it's no shutter speed sync trick either.

[lumukanda]

film shoots at 24 frames per second (normal speed that is), video at 25, i don't know much about choppers, but i have seen a hind in action, and we shot it at 24 frames/sec and it showed the rotors were spinning in the film.
that just looks weird, but i'm pretty sure there's a good explanation for it, damned if i know what it is.

[december]

here is a link what appeares to be is self propelent helicopter :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui7kplE4CwY&NR=1

Love and Light!

Hello, loveemotion.

I remember you said that you are Russian.
Well, if this is so, than you should know that this is not a "UFO" helicopter, but Russian Mi-24 also known as Russian Flying Crocodile.

Just look CLOSER at these pictures and you might see why it doesn't need propellers...

http://englishrussia.com/images/mi_24/3.jpg


http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/mi24.jpg

The Mil Mi-24 is a large combat helicopter gunship and low-capacity troop transport operated from 1976 by the Soviet Air Force, its successors, and over thirty other nations.

Its NATO reporting name is Hind and variants are identified with an additional letter. The export versions, Mi-25 and Mi-35, are denoted as Hind D and Hind E respectively. Soviet pilots called the aircraft 'letayushiy tank' or flying tank. Another common nickname is 'Krokodil' (Crocodile) — due to the helicopter's camouflage and fuselage shape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-24

More pictires here - http://www.englishrussia.com/?p=425

[tinmenace]

I know nothing about combat helicopters (or regular helicopters for that matter) so to me it's not obvious why it wouldn't use it's blades. Could you please elaborate?

[loveemotion]

Hey, when i was watching it i sort of guessed it was russian... but i didnt know for sure..
Guys jsut want to remind.. truth leeks sometimes.. and maybe it is the truth..
no tricks of video effects or anything of that sort... sometimes its the whole truth..
I think some of the ufo were backengineered and thats what we see in the end... a flying chooper that has no primitive prollers moving its probably self propellent... but again cant be sure for 100%

Love and Light :)

[december]

Better take a look at another "UFO helicopter" - MI-28 YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[tinmenace]

Ok, my other half just said that when a chopper's blade are not turning they hang down from the weight, but when it's flying they straighten out. That's true. Clearly the blades are straight in the video clip, so I'm back to the film speed thing...:confused:

[graflok]

Film speed thing? :rolleyes:

Sometimes things are just what they appear to be.

Did you see video #2?

video #2 link

[lottie]

at the end of that clip- it shows that the helicopter is showing off to a crowd- be interesting to see where this actually is- and the explanaition given to those spectating!!

[tinmenace]

Hey Graf, I'm so technically challenged that unless y'all actually shove my face in it, I'm not really understanding the clues.

The frame rate thing makes sense to me because I had a similar thing demonstrated to me with a strobe light and a fan. It looked like the fan was stationary, but in fact it was just turning at the same speed that the strobe light was flashing. So, I understand the concept because someone "shoved my face in it" :D

:confused: Forgive my ignorance, but I am willing to learn :o

[graflok]

The only way to achieve that sort of synchronous perfection via a camera
frame-rate sync is if there is a direct electronic connection between the heli
rotors and the camera. Doing it with a strobe and a fan is one thing but this
is much more complex than that.

The rotational speed of the rotors will vary and the camera has to compensate
for these variations exactly in order to maintain a perfect illusion of motionless
rotors. Even the slightest variation of rotor speed would be visible if the camera
was merely pointed at the heli without such a system.

This sort of sync link-up is usually done with a hard-wired connection to
the camera but it could also be done via a radio type connection.

The question in my mind is, why would anyone go to so much trouble just for
a little YouTube video? :confused:

But, I will admit it is possible that they did. :)
It just seems unlikely to me and I think something else is going on here.

PS - I would never consider you ignorant, tinny. I was just being a wise-ass. :)

[tinmenace]

I know that sweetie! I didn't take it that way. :)

[didgeylee]

The blades are acting as a wing.And it is useing vectord thrust like harrier jump jet. possibly

[tinmenace]

But from where? I don't see anything that is providing a Harrier-type thrust.

What about the sound? It's clearly the sound of rotating blades. If the blades are NOT turning, why add the sound?

[december]

I know nothing about combat helicopters (or regular helicopters for that matter) so to me it's not obvious why it wouldn't use it's blades. Could you please elaborate?


The blades could be damaged, so for that reason Russian millitary helicopters have the jet engines.

Do you see them?

http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/001-1378.jpg

http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/004-1327.jpg

http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/008-1166.jpg

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Robotech/Robotech-Vehicles/EBSIS_Mi-24_Hind.jpg

[graflok]

Here is an explanation of how it flies:

link (http://www.c00lstuff.com/643/Russian_helicopter_flies_without_turning_its_main_ rotor/)

[gordonfreeman]

Case closed. Go back to your stations.

[december]

Here is an explanation of how it flies:

link (http://www.c00lstuff.com/643/Russian_helicopter_flies_without_turning_its_main_ rotor/)

Wow!.. Cool... :)

Russia also has a Black Shark Attack Helicopter -

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/images/big/ka50_6.jpg

Ka-50 Black Shark
Any information about this helicopter was strictly secret in 70's and 80's. American intelligence services had problems to get any information about its development. The situation has rapidly changed a few years ago. Everybody could see the brand new Kamov helicopter on Paris Airshow 92' for the first time.

Helicopters from the Kamov Company have traditionally been given NATO codenames beginning with the letter "H", and the Ka-50 Black Shark helicopter carries the NATO codename Hokum A, Hokum B being the two-seat version, Ka-52. Ka-50 is also known as Werewolf. The Ka-50 Black Shark entered service in the Russian Army during 1995 and is in full production at the Sazykin Aviation Company Progress based in Arseniev maritime Territory, Russia. It is a high performance combat helicopter with day and night capability, high survivability and fire power to defeat air targets and heavily armoured tanks armed with air defence weapons.

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/ka50_en.htm



Ka-50 Black Shark. The Best Single-seat Attack Helicopter.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[tinmenace]

I'm sorry I'm just not getting it. I'm not mechanically minded but there are just two things that bother me with this thing.



I don't see any jet engine, December.
The sound is clearly a helicopter whose blades are rotating at a fast speed. Why would they add that sound to the clip?


You guys are probably pulling your hair out by now and please don't frustrate yourself with me any further. I'll keep looking and trying to figure it out. When I do, I'll let ya know :D

[graflok]

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5299/mi24tj1.jpg

[tinmenace]

Ok, but for lift and hovering, doesn't the air need to be thrust directly downwards? (like a hovercraft). Those exhausts would mostly be pushing air almost straight out, which wouldn't provide lift and the stability necessary to maneuver.

Look at this Harrier, you can see how the thrust thingies are pointing downwards.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/chp_harrier.jpg


This one they're pointing backward, I guess either for landing or take-off.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/Harrier_AV_8b.png


Same thing with a hovercraft. It needs the direct downward thrust to give it lift.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/hovercraft.png


Ok, I'm not engineer and my knowledge is limited, and I'll admit that I could be getting this ALL wrong, but......


...there's the sound. The "thud thud thud" that clearly sounds like rotating blades. Why do we hear that, if that's not what's happening? Why would someone add that sound to this clip?

[graflok]

Look at the red arrow on my picture. It follows the line of the exhaust stain
on the side of the heli. It goes down and back at a diagonal angle.

Lifting thrust doesn't have to go straight down. If it goes down and back, it
pushes the craft up and forward.

Plus, the heli shown in the YouTube video probably has a directional exhaust nozzle
that is recessed into the body of the helicopter which gives further control like
on the Harrier jets in your pictures. It is most likely a prototype model that was
filmed during a demonstration or an air show.

[tinmenace]

Ok, I'll accept that.

What about the sound?

[graflok]

The heli is being filmed from another heli so you're hearing both of them.

[tinmenace]

Well heli, why didn't ya just say so!? :D