History of the term

[chris_com283]

Does anyone know the history or the term "new world order"? It was popularised by George Bush, but apparently it originates from Hitler. I think it may be older, but hardly thousands of years as a friend told me.

[size_of_light]

Early 20th Century according to the unreliable Wikipedia.

Maybe your friend is referring to 'Novus Ordo Selorum': 'A New Order For The Ages' as featured on the Great Seal.

[chris_com283]

I had another look on Wikipedia and it seems to come from the late 19th Century from the Bhai religion. It even mentions the NWO as a world government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD)

This may be the earliest use of the word. I should look into this religion some more and ask around about the conception of the word. It may be older, but to verfy that may mean reading a lot more. :(

# New World Order (conspiracy theory), conspiracy theory in which a group is conspiring to rule the world via world government
Thought that was quite funny. :rolleyes:

Not sure if he was talking about NWO or Nourves Ordo...(sp). It wouldn't suprise me if he was talking about something else. He's the kind of person that's really opinionated about something, but when challenged on it he can't really back it up very well.

Well I'm at least a little closer to the origin. A little older than old Adolf it seems.

[celtic isis]

Does anyone know the history or the term "new world order"? It was popularised by George Bush, but apparently it originates from Hitler. I think it may be older, but hardly thousands of years as a friend told me.

yeah it's old...new order of the ages...'Novus Ordo Selorum'...as said before...will look into it for you.

[chris_com283]

Thank you.

I've looked into this a bit more and it really does seem to be based in the occult, which is hardly any supprise. It's said that Alice Bailey wrote about the new world order (haven't yet checked her out on Amazon yet) in one of her books. She claimed to channel the Tibetan (can't remember his name) ascended master who was claimed to have been "guiding" humanity for many years. Helena Blavatsky also claimed to have written a book by him.

George Prescott Bush also spoken of a new world order which is to fulfill the ideas of the founders of the United Nations. I've been trying to find some information out about them. All I found was this:

http://www.geocities.com/hankmcintyre/un/un_founders_list.htm

It sounds pretty bad, though I need to look at it properly to fully understand it.

[chris_com283]

http://www.mega.nu/ampp/timeline.html

I also found this. Quite a read, but no footnotes, so it would make it harder to verify it.

[chris_com283]

I wasn't even looking for this, but I keep coming across more information.

Search for the subheading "History of the term"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy)

So apparently Cecil Rhodes spoke of the new world order and advocated the British Empire and the US to join forces to create a global empire. Lionel Curtis also liked this and so founded the Round Table, the Royal Institute for International Affairs and the CFR (which to this day appears to advocate a new world order as a world government).

[chris_com283]

Just something quite funny I thought of. Jordan Maxwell talked against the new world order and says how it originates from Hitler. I haven't found that to be true and have actually found that it may have originated from Alice Bailey. He said how he's read all her books and appears to be a great fan of her. He seems quite compartmentalised.

[slartibartfast]

As a new member of this forum, I am finding it difficult to understand if the majority of the posters are against a NWO or Global Government as a general concept or because of a fear that it would become/be created as a totalitarian regime.

[chris_com283]

Well speaking for myself here. I used to think it would be a good idea, but now I'm starting to think it may cause more problems. People say it would solve a lot of problems, but it seems these problems were made for us to want a new world order (though last time I checked people were dead against a world government). I feel it may supress individuality of countries and so if you've had enough of America (or whatever country you currently live in) and want to escape from your government then you can't because it's global. This creates a "no where to hide" scenario.

But one of the things I hate most about the new world order is the way it's carried out. It's never admited directly, always hinted at. Never really discussed openly and the agenda always seems to be done in private.

[slartibartfast]

Taking the USA as an example, do Americans see other states apart from their own as being places they can escape to? If so then maybe they have the best of both worlds, with different "countries" but without the war (since the mid 19th century) and conflict.

[chris_com283]

Thought I'd look more closely into this. Found a seemingly good resource on the religion in question. It mentions "new world order" indicating it may have been in use at the time. Am yet to find the interpretation of the term though.

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/WOB/wob-14.html

Seems to offer a bit more of an explanation:
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/WOB/wob-41.html

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=6&url=http%3A%2F%2Foj.bahaistudies.net%2FOJBS_1_Coon ey_WorldOrder_Materials.pdf&ei=YIndSafCBsefjAevu72kDg&usg=AFQjCNFn7CTjyoN-Ld3EHLIfg7LTtpx6Fw&sig2=MYWwRFq-Nu_S4YV0avj8ng

I remember watching a documentary a while ago in which Anthony Hilder stated that Bahá'í is the religion of the UN. What he said is starting to make sense now, though I still don't know much about the UN in relation to the religion.

I think I can trace the history back even further. I'll do a bit more reading then take a break. I haven't slept yet as I couldn't sleep due to past conflict which still haunts me to this day. It's a good life, lol.

[peter griffin]

The NWO has been in the works ever since Nimrod attempted the first world government by building the Tower of Babel.

[chris_com283]

This little area of research of mine is more of the history of the term. I think it was ever since a friend stated it was thousands of years old that I decided to really look into it. I guess because he seems like like to always be right that I thought it would be fun to debunk him or at least put up an argument against him or failing that an interesting discussion.