The Fa Cup

[lottie]

The F.A. CUP...has anyone seen the opening ceremony? prince william just walked out onto the field and made his speech from a podium at the apex of a red carpet pyramid shape- my god the symbolism is ridiculously obvious!! also the Manchester united badge looks like an eye from the angle the cameras are on the field- and with a huge red pyramid and the chelsea badge is a circle with something in it- thinks its a lion!! but all very ritualistic!!:mad:

[cheeb]

hello lottie i had a similar post in mind for halftime;

did anyone see..........

They are pulling out all the stops here:
Prince William
Red arrows
Football legends
Leslie Garrett & Sarah Brightman
Russell Watson etc...

I thought they were going to do something about that missing girl Madeline'but I didn't see that.

Should be in for a thrilling game of cancel out football

I'm neutral but i'll go with Chelsea ,if they give us Shaun Wright Phillips back

(sorry, its the football programming in my brain)

[jinjo5]

The F.A. CUP...has anyone seen the opening ceremony? prince william just walked out onto the field and made his speech from a podium at the apex of a red carpet pyramid shape- my god the symbolism is ridiculously obvious!! also the Manchester united badge looks like an eye from the angle the cameras are on the field- and with a huge red pyramid and the chelsea badge is a circle with something in it- thinks its a lion!! but all very ritualistic!!:mad:
Oh please lottie.
The only significant thing about this F.a.cup final is that its drab beyond belief
I couldnt give a toss who wins,two clubs with too much money.
It dosent feel like a cup final.
The best ones are when you have an underdog team playing.
Man.utd versus Barnsley,then you would have a interesting game.
It really pisses me off when folk look for 'symbolism' in owt that moves....youre pandering to the site lottie.

[edelweiss pirate]

The results of all sporting games are controlled by a group of people hacking into the matrix and controlling the players involved through reality control...

At least I suspect they do because I've done it myself....

A certain lowly northern team quite upset a premiership team a few years back...

Whenever the ball came anywhere near our end I fired a huge amount of energy into visualising the ball out of the goal... The ball hit the woodwork so many times in that game you wouldn't believe.... We didn't let the ball in once and believe 'our' team is really shit and the other team are fucking ace...

Matrix hacking is the next big thing....

[jinjo5]

The results of all sporting games are controlled by a group of people hacking into the matrix and controlling the players involved through reality control...

At least I suspect they do because I've done it myself....

A certain lowly northern team quite upset a premiership team a few years back...

Whenever the ball came anywhere near our end I fired a huge amount of energy into visualising the ball out of the goal... The ball hit the woodwork so many times in that game you wouldn't believe.... We didn't let the ball in once and believe 'our' team is really shit and the other team are fucking ace...

Matrix hacking is the next big thing....
With respect pirate,your first two lines were non-sense.
The rest i can agree with.
Im a Barnsley fan,my home town.
I know what agony is.:D
The reason your team hits the woodwork is cos of two things
bad luck and the player wasnt good enough on that occasion to score
if youre good enough,that extra skill will get you through on most occasions.
It aint nothing to to do with any matrix.
...Man.utd..more skillful....barnsley..not so skilled........simple as that.
GOOD LUCK to Barnsley for the next season.

[lookfar]

The F.A. CUP...has anyone seen the opening ceremony? prince william just walked out onto the field and made his speech from a podium at the apex of a red carpet pyramid shape- my god the symbolism is ridiculously obvious!! also the Manchester united badge looks like an eye from the angle the cameras are on the field- and with a huge red pyramid and the chelsea badge is a circle with something in it- thinks its a lion!! but all very ritualistic!!:mad:

Hi honey

It doesn't surprise me that this match is symbolic (& I hate f*cking football as you know!) As so many sad people are engrossed in it in this country, what better way to harness that energy for their warped needs!!:mad: It's all a way to distract people from the real things going on & create conflict between different teams (just look at the Southampton / Pompey scenario!)

Total & utter bollox & don't even get me onto how much players are paid FFS!!

Hehe rant over now, LOL!!:D

[edelweiss pirate]

With respect pirate,your first two lines were non-sense.
The rest i can agree with.
Im a Barnsley fan,my home town.
I know what agony is.:D
The reason your team hits the woodwork is cos of two things
bad luck and the player wasnt good enough on that occasion to score
if youre good enough,that extra skill will get you through on most occasions.
It aint nothing to to do with any matrix.
...Man.utd..more skillful....barnsley..not so skilled........simple as that.
GOOD LUCK to Barnsley for the next season.

Your inability to decipher plain English proves that you should keep your opinions about the esoteric arts and matrix manipulation to yourself...

We won the game! That's the point..... We beat Spurs, and we are now in conference I think... The game was on TV, I exercised my mind power and saw the results manifested on the screen. Cause and effect...

Please try to have less trouble dealing with the idea of infinite possibility and power..

Think I'd post this far out shit if I didn't think it was true.. I know it's true but this is the LEAST of the things I've seen and done...

It may seem unbelievable to you but others will have less problem with it...

[jinjo5]

Hi honey

It doesn't surprise me that this match is symbolic (& I hate f*cking football as you know!) As so many sad people are engrossed in it in this country, what better way to harness that energy for their warped needs!!:mad: It's all a way to distract people from the real things going on & create conflict between different teams (just look at the Southampton / Pompey scenario!)

Total & utter bollox & don't even get me onto how much players are paid FFS!!

Hehe rant over now, LOL!!:D
There is no symbolism in football.
I agree,todays football is bollocks...overpaid puffs who fall over at the slighest nudge.
I love my own football club........but when i think more deeply,the football is secondary to the fact that the team is representing the town i come from
which i love,naturally.
I suppose its all very tribal.

[jinjo5]

In todays cup final it would be interesting to know what percentage of people at the match, live,or,are from the districts of chelsea and manchester.

[lottie]

Appreciate and respect your differing opinion jingo but i still disagree, i see a lot of symbolism being displayed in this game- but its ok for me to have that opinion you know- it doesnt affect you personally does it? there's no use telling me im paranoid or there's no symbolism in it as i believe there is, its not going to change my opinion! :)

[johnpeters]

Appreciate and respect your differing opinion jingo but i still disagree, i see a lot of symbolism being displayed in this game- but its ok for me to have that opinion you know- it doesnt affect you personally does it? there's no use telling me im paranoid or there's no symbolism in it as i believe there is, its not going to change my opinion! :)

You're not paranoid Lottie. There is a huge amount of symbolism in football. There is symbolism everywhere which tries to control us spiritually.

The old BT logo is a great example. Spot the snake:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1945000/images/_1947909_bt300.jpg

It's hidden right in front of our eyes.

[jinjo5]

Appreciate and respect your differing opinion jingo but i still disagree, i see a lot of symbolism being displayed in this game- but its ok for me to have that opinion you know- it doesnt affect you personally does it? there's no use telling me im paranoid or there's no symbolism in it as i believe there is, its not going to change my opinion! :)
Of course lottie,you have your own opinon,itd be a dull world if we all agreed.
I never called you paranoid lottie,although i thought your initial comment on football is a bit 'out there'....
...dont get me wrong..todays footballers are bunch of fairies.....money grabbbing fairies at that.:D

[lottie]

Of course lottie,you have your own opinon,itd be a dull world if we all agreed.
I never called you paranoid lottie,although i thought your initial comment on football is a bit 'out there'....
...dont get me wrong..todays footballers are bunch of fairies.....money grabbbing fairies at that.:D

yeah im with you there jinjo- footballers are all paid too much but thats just a reflection of whats considered important in society today... :rolleyes:

cheers for respecting my opinion too!

[lottie]

You're not paranoid Lottie. There is a huge amount of symbolism in football. There is symbolism everywhere which tries to control us spiritually.

The old BT logo is a great example. Spot the snake:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1945000/images/_1947909_bt300.jpg

It's hidden right in front of our eyes.

Yeah i see it john- weird though- ive seen that logo a thousand times or more but never noticed the snake untill it was shown on the symbolism thread! Think the paranoid comment is purely reflection of my current state of mind really- this stuff can drive you mad sometimes, i wonder if i am paranoid sometimes- untill other people start saying the same thing!!!!:D

[lookfar]

There is no symbolism in football.
I agree,todays football is bollocks...overpaid puffs who fall over at the slighest nudge.
I love my own football club........but when i think more deeply,the football is secondary to the fact that the team is representing the town i come from
which i love,naturally.
I suppose its all very tribal.

Don't get me wrong jinjo, I'm not knocking footy as a whole, but I believe it is now being used for other purposes, but that's just my opinion :)

[mcmenek1]

The F.A. CUP...has anyone seen the opening ceremony? prince william just walked out onto the field and made his speech from a podium at the apex of a red carpet pyramid shape- my god the symbolism is ridiculously obvious!! :


Hi lottie,

Yes I saw the red pyramid with prince William making his speech from the top of it........I agree I thought it was very symbolic with prince William at the top and all the players lined up along the bottom of the pyramid......This is how “The Powers That Be” have shaped society with the elite blood line at the top of the pyramid calling the shots which affect the lives of the rest of us at the bottom.

Prince William is the elite of the elite born on the 21st of June (The summer solstice) which is the high point in the year for the sun worshipping elite of “The Powers That Be”

Unfortunately some people just can’t see it and this symbolism will go right over their heads......but I’m glad there is some people who are awake enough to spot it........;)



Love
&
Peace

[narcolepticwatchman]

There is no symbolism in football.


Are you sure?? What about the stadium that was knocked down to be replaced with the bright new fancy one that stood in the same spot today??

Wembleys 'Twin Towers' were one of the most famous sites in football mate. England invented football and their national statium was built on symbolism.


http://www.thefa.com/NR/rdonlyres/FD535425-D5ED-42EF-B21D-6C4ABB2866DC/0/wembley_twin_towers_large.jpg

[jinjo5]

Are you sure?? What about the stadium that was knocked down to be replaced with the bright new fancy one that stood in the same spot today??

Wembleys 'Twin Towers' were one of the most famous sites in football mate. England invented football and their national statium was built on symbolism.


http://www.thefa.com/NR/rdonlyres/FD535425-D5ED-42EF-B21D-6C4ABB2866DC/0/wembley_twin_towers_large.jpg
I take it by Twin towers you mean 9/11?
Believe me narc,of all the conspiracy theories,9/11 is the most convincing by a trillion miles.
If you look hard enough you will always find correlations.......you probably find TWIN things all over the planet.......there was even a programme in the 80's called TWIN PEAKS..........Where do you stop?
As ive said before,you have to keep your feet on the ground....dont get too carried away.

[narcolepticwatchman]

I take it by Twin towers you mean 9/11?
Believe me narc,of all the conspiracy theories,9/11 is the most convincing by a trillion miles.
If you look hard enough you will always find correlations.......you probably find TWIN things all over the planet.......there was even a programme in the 80's called TWIN PEAKS..........Where do you stop?
As ive said before,you have to keep your feet on the ground....dont get too carried away.

Wembley was built before the twin towers. My post has nothing to do with 9/11 although the construction of the twin towers was for the same reasons that wembley built theirs no doubt. While you mention 9/11....look at the tower symbolism on that day. 911, flight 11, and again, twin towers.

The tower of huge symbolic impotance. It is masonic / occult. There is a tarot card called the tower. Its also a phallic symbol which goes back to the legend of Isis and Osiris.

http://www.sirbacon.org/graphics/swbpillars.jpg

Oh and twin peaks may have been referring to mountains which are of course, not the same as towers.

[i am all i am]

There is no symbolism in football.

G'day Jingo5.

Would you like me to explain the symbolism in the below football images, or do you now see the "symbolism in football" ???

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/sports/thumbs/5.gif
The football is made up of pentagrams.

Because at any time one of the 12 zodiacal signs is hidden behind the Sun, the number 11 is often associated with the zodiac. In the Babylonian creation myth Enuma Elish Tiamat, the god of chaos, is supported by 11 monsters. The ancient Roman equivalent of a police force comprised 11 men whose job was to hunt down criminals.

http://www.manutd.com/pix/splashPage/gfx_logo.gif http://www.chelseafc.com/xxchelsea180706/chelsea-masthead.gif http://uk.all-biz.info/img/uk/regions/pic/1_1_radm_220197263_s.jpeg
http://www.thefa.com/Images/Header/HomeBanner.png

In 1996, Three Lions was the unofficial song of the England football team for the 1996 European Football Championship, which were held in England.


http://images.fifa.com/imagesnew/en/banner/banner_logo.jpg.....http://www.logoserver.com/Soccer/WC78.GIF.....http://www.logoserver.com/Soccer/WC94.GIF


http://www.artfootball.de/poster/med_big/luo_brothers.jpg




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[jinjo5]

G'day Jingo5.

Would you like me to explain the symbolism in the below football images, or do you now see the "symbolism in football" ???

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/sports/thumbs/5.gif
The football is made up of pentagrams.

Because at any time one of the 12 zodiacal signs is hidden behind the Sun, the number 11 is often associated with the zodiac. In the Babylonian creation myth Enuma Elish Tiamat, the god of chaos, is supported by 11 monsters. The ancient Roman equivalent of a police force comprised 11 men whose job was to hunt down criminals.

http://www.manutd.com/pix/splashPage/gfx_logo.gif http://www.chelseafc.com/xxchelsea180706/chelsea-masthead.gif http://uk.all-biz.info/img/uk/regions/pic/1_1_radm_220197263_s.jpeg
http://www.thefa.com/Images/Header/HomeBanner.png

In 1996, Three Lions was the unofficial song of the England football team for the 1996 European Football Championship, which were held in England.


http://images.fifa.com/imagesnew/en/banner/banner_logo.jpg.....http://www.logoserver.com/Soccer/WC78.GIF.....http://www.logoserver.com/Soccer/WC94.GIF


http://www.artfootball.de/poster/med_big/luo_brothers.jpg




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OK i am,its fine showing the 'symbolism'............playing devil's advocate,are you saying that directors of football clubs sit down and think of the best way to promote the lizards,which "at the end of the day",nice football term there for you,which is what youre saying.
No,that aint the case.
of course youre gunna come back and say its all covert....drip,drip
You cant argue with that,you could say everything is covert.
therefore you cant disprove anything.
Theres an awful lot of crap going in this world but not everything is a conspiracy.

[i am all i am]

OK i am,its fine showing the 'symbolism'............playing devil's advocate,are you saying that directors of football clubs sit down and think of the best way to promote the lizards,which "at the end of the day",nice football term there for you,which is what youre saying.
No,that aint the case.
of course youre gunna come back and say its all covert....drip,drip
You cant argue with that,you could say everything is covert.
therefore you cant disprove anything.
Theres an awful lot of crap going in this world but not everything is a conspiracy.

G'day Jingo5.

I haven't declared what the symbolism is for or who creates it.

I responded to your comment that there is no symbolism in football, which is obviously not true.


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[narcolepticwatchman]

OK i am,its fine showing the 'symbolism'............playing devil's advocate,are you saying that directors of football clubs sit down and think of the best way to promote the lizards,which "at the end of the day",nice football term there for you,which is what youre saying.
No,that aint the case.
of course youre gunna come back and say its all covert....drip,drip
You cant argue with that,you could say everything is covert.
therefore you cant disprove anything.
Theres an awful lot of crap going in this world but not everything is a conspiracy.


What football, and American football, and rugby, and all forms of sport are, are nothing more than distraction for the masses. 'here, go and watch a ball being kicked about for an hour and a half, divide yourselves further into groups and practice tirbalistic beahaviour, fight with each other, spend your hard earned cash on some over priced merchandise and hot dogs and forget all about what we are doing behind this curtain to manipulate you'

It is the exact same as the games in the colleseum in ancient Rome. This is their way of letting us know they are pulling their strings. They are at the top of every pyramid mate.


Theres an awful lot of crap going in this world but not everything is a conspiracy.

How do you know this for sure?

[auron]

I can't stand football. I think it is like watching flies fuck. :D

[lookfar]

LMAO auron - I'd personally prefer to watch the flies!!;)

I don't think we're gonna convince jinjo of the symbolism that is so obvious... he seems to be happy wearing his blinkers, bless :) :p

[jinjo5]

What football, and American football, and rugby, and all forms of sport are, are nothing more than distraction for the masses. 'here, go and watch a ball being kicked about for an hour and a half, divide yourselves further into groups and practice tirbalistic beahaviour, fight with each other, spend your hard earned cash on some over priced merchandise and hot dogs and forget all about what we are doing behind this curtain to manipulate you'

It is the exact same as the games in the colleseum in ancient Rome. This is their way of letting us know they are pulling their strings. They are at the top of every pyramid mate.



How do you know this for sure?
Deary me narc;...you sounded so intelligent too.only kidding.
Thing is narc,if you see everything as a distraction(distraction from what?)
You aint gunna be able to do owt...the film Equilibrium springs to mind.
You dont have to buy an hot dog at a match.
For f**ks sake use your own head....if people are so concerned about being manipulated then dont dont do it........you sound aware mate,but you are also speaking like a 16 yr old.

[i am all i am]

Deary me narc;...you sounded so intelligent too.only kidding.
Thing is narc,if you see everything as a distraction(distraction from what?)
You aint gunna be able to do owt...the film Equilibrium springs to mind.
You dont have to buy an hot dog at a match.
For f**ks sake use your own head....if people are so concerned about being manipulated then dont dont do it........you sound aware mate,but you are also speaking like a 16 yr old.

G'day Jingo5.

Is it because you said that there is no symbolism in football and it has been shown to you that there is, that you now fall back on personal insults to further your mistaken point of view ???



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[jinjo5]

G'day Jingo5.

Is it because you said that there is no symbolism in football and it has been shown to you that there is, that you now fall back on personal insults to further your mistaken point of view ???



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I DONT FALL BACK ON PERSONAL INSULTS I AM....i did say i was kidding................how can though a point of view be mistaken?
we are all allowed one,you know.
I dont really think any symbolism in football is going to affect me as such
in my personal life....it hasnt so far n im 46.
i really do get pig sick of people on here cos they dont agree somehow theyre wrong.
If you see symbolism in everything,you aint gonna leave your house.
i wish people would use their heads.
If you take this stuff too seroiusly then you are imprisoning yourself....makes their job easier............Think.

[narcolepticwatchman]

Deary me narc;...you sounded so intelligent too.only kidding.
Thing is narc,if you see everything as a distraction(distraction from what?)
You aint gunna be able to do owt...the film Equilibrium springs to mind.
You dont have to buy an hot dog at a match.
For f**ks sake use your own head....if people are so concerned about being manipulated then dont dont do it........you sound aware mate,but you are also speaking like a 16 yr old.

When I say distraction, i mean distraction away from the truth.

I use my own head mate. I see the world for what it is after living in the bubble for most of my life. I can see what is going on. Note that I never said I didn't enjoy sport at any time. Now, because I have views on symbolism and vews on the reasoning behind todays sport and the way it is marketed and run, I am accused of holding immature views?

Now, have a think about that for a second. A discussion is being held, perfectly valid points and opinions are shared. One of the participants responds with derogatory comments aimed directly at the another participant........who is speaking like a 16 year old in this discussion?

[i am all i am]

I DONT FALL BACK ON PERSONAL INSULTS I AM....i did say i was kidding................how can though a point of view be mistaken?
we are all allowed one,you know.
I dont really think any symbolism in football is going to affect me as such
in my personal life....it hasnt so far n im 46.
i really do get pig sick of people on here cos they dont agree somehow theyre wrong.
If you see symbolism in everything,you aint gonna leave your house.
i wish people would use their heads.
If you take this stuff too seroiusly then you are imprisoning yourself....makes their job easier............Think.

G'day Jingo5.

A point of view can be mistaken because the belief system of the 'viewer' filters out that which they do not believe, and therefore they do not see it.

This is where you said you were kidding...
"Deary me narc;...you sounded so intelligent too.only kidding."

There was no attachment of "kidding" to this statement...
"you sound aware mate,but you are also speaking like a 16 yr old."

Obviously a personal attack and nothing to do with the discussion of symbolism in football.




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[narcolepticwatchman]

If you see symbolism in everything,you aint gonna leave your house.
i wish people would use their heads.
If you take this stuff too seroiusly then you are imprisoning yourself....makes their job easier............Think.

why on earth is symbolism going to make you not want to leave your house?

Have you seen any of Michael Tsarion or Jordan Maxwells stuff on symbolism? It undeniably exists and it is most certainly nothing to fear.

[jinjo5]

G'day Jingo5.

A point of view can be mistaken because the belief system of the 'viewer' filters out that which they do not believe, and therefore they do not see it.

This is where you said you were kidding...
"Deary me narc;...you sounded so intelligent too.only kidding."

There was no attachment of "kidding" to this statement...
"you sound aware mate,but you are also speaking like a 16 yr old."

Obviously a personal attack and nothing to do with the discussion of symbolism in football.




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OK,maybe a sideward slap then.
I have no belief system i am,i absorb anyone has to say,if it say far-fetched i will say so........im a very open minded person of the highest order,but i wont tolerate nonsense..........yes,i know,one mans nonsense is anothers belief.
As ive said just recently,if you dont agree with owt on this site you get shot down in flames.
so insular.

[oneofmany]

Oh please lottie.
The only significant thing about this F.a.cup final is that its drab beyond belief
I couldnt give a toss who wins,two clubs with too much money.
It dosent feel like a cup final.
The best ones are when you have an underdog team playing.
Man.utd versus Barnsley,then you would have a interesting game.
It really pisses me off when folk look for 'symbolism' in owt that moves....youre pandering to the site lottie.I would have to agree with this... and leave the symbolism stuff out of the best game in the world please. The advertisers, advertising for the game, has nothing to do with the game itself, which is 1 ball 22 players, 1 whistleblower and a goalmouth at each end. Please leave it at that, for me...please!!. If you want to rubbish something, how about the standard of refereeing?

[auron]

The premiership is totally fixed! And has always been. Same with the world cup.

[oneofmany]

The premiership is totally fixed! And has always been. Same with the world cup.Doesn't mean I can't enjoy "the game". Politics and corruption have no bearing on "the game" for mine. Just another symptom of where there's a marketable product "Football" greed, corruption, and the power hungry psycopaths rear their ugly heads.

[auron]

I know what you mean man. I've been known to take part in watching matches at other peoples houses and getting stoned. And yes the atmosphere that is created when their team wins is fantastic. So i can't say it's all that bad! :)

[oneofmany]

This was just like me when Australia made it's first world cup finals in 32 years
How we celebrate World Cup goals Australia v Japan Socceroos - YouTube

Celebrating Goals w/ Rove. Australia v Croatia vs Socceroos - YouTube

Brazil Killed Our Joy. Australia v Brazil vs Socceroos - YouTube

This is why I watch football, and this is why I played, all about the passion

[auron]

Nice! Funny links mate. :)

[i_am]

What football, and American football, and rugby, and all forms of sport are, are nothing more than distraction for the masses. 'here, go and watch a ball being kicked about for an hour and a half, divide yourselves further into groups and practice tirbalistic beahaviour, fight with each other, spend your hard earned cash on some over priced merchandise and hot dogs and forget all about what we are doing behind this curtain to manipulate you'

and what is wrong with that? so we are distracted from the shit going on around us for a couple of hours? I must admit I love sport. I shout and yell and abuse the ref/umpire with the best of 'em. It doesn't mean I am allowing it to brainwash me or take over my life. I can be passionate about the game, during the game, and then let it go. The result is not going to affect my life in any way. Yeah!! I guess it is tribal. I can go tribal listening to african music or the didge too. Love it!!

It does not make me forget anything, just escape for a while. I guess we in Australia don't take it to the extremes as do the European countries. Our fighting is usually confined to throwing insults at the opposition's supporters and usually in a joking manner. If it turned into displays of violence as seen on TV, I would probably not wish to be involved either. Let us hope that doesn't happen here. It may with football (soccer) because of the diverse cultures involved but not Aussie Rules or Rugby League or Union. Love the cricket, love tennis too but my life does not revolve around them. They are just that ....a distraction.

[auron]

I must admit. I'm a big snooker fan here in the UK. I watch the matches when they're on. A boring sport to most. But I've been watching it since i was 7! :D

[shodan]

I'm a big snooker fan here in the UK. I watch the matches when they're on.

Me too dude, I never fully recovered from Jimi White never winning the World title :D

I havn't come across much symbolism in snooker, but then again I havn't looked.......

[hagbard_celine]

The premiership is totally fixed! And has always been. Same with the world cup.

Funny you should say that. Remember the '98 world cup? Diego Maradona went on TV saying how the cup was rigged so that France would win it. No one paid much attention to him at the time, but what do you know? France won! There was that weird series of events with Ronaldo: He's admitted to hospital 25 minutes before the final and we're told he's injured. Then he turns up just before kick-off and he's allowed to play. Several people said that Brazil weren't trying. It was as if they were throwing the game. then people remembered Maradona's words! (And if anyone would know about cheating, it would be him!)

What disturbed me was that so many people didn't seem to care. One of my friends even said: "Oh well, maybe next time it will be fixed to that England wins it". WTF!?:rolleyes: :mad: If a match is rigged or someone is cheating in the slightest little way then it ceases to be a competative sport. It becomes a staged drama, a music-hall farce! In that situation nobody wins anything! A schoolboy team of 8-year-olds could win a fixed match. The only way to really win a game is to play fair. Then you can look back at your achievemant and think: "Yes, we really were the best team".

[hagbard_celine]

Interlude:

I just want to take a few moments to slag off Wayne Rooney. He's a great player, so why can't he have a personality to match? Michael Owen was just as good, and he was someone I could admire because he's a gentleman as well.

Rooney is the spotty, chubby little squit who gets a nought added to his salery every time he scores a goal. Just look at his scowling face though! He looks like a spoilt little kid when he mouths off on the pitch. The TV networks should stop shooting close-ups of him!

He probably spells "substitution ending "...S-H-U-N"!:rolleyes: :mad: . Would that posh girl he's with look twice at him if he wasn't a filthy rich, famous footballer? No, she'd apply for a job as his babysitter and get a cloth to wipe his mouth!

[auron]

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The hardcore England and Wayne Rooney fan. :D

[i am all i am]

The only way to really win a game is to play fair.

G'day Hagbard Celine.

What you have said in this line is 100% correct.

Throughout my life I have played many different sports. The one thing that has been consistent throughout each and every sport that I have played, is that people are willing to 'do anything' (cheat) to win.

Personally, I have always thought that if you had to cheat to win, then you haven't won.

I watched the F.A. cup. The Chelsea goalkeeper is a cheat (not that the rest of the players on the field aren't either). This is a classic example of what sportsmen, by example, are showing children that follow the sport, and yet they are praised as being great sportsmen, when they are merely cheats.

At age 17-18, I played mens open football (soccer in Aus). I had grown men holding my shirt, tripping me from behind when I had gotten past them, as well as other 'tactics', in an attempt to win. This is merely one example of the cheating that goes on in every sport that I have played.

There are very few actual sportsmen left in the world that are playing at a professional level. The games that are played, as much as I enjoy them, are a farce. They offer little or no sportsman-like examples and are merely examples of the 'compete and win at all cost' mentality of the system. They are an indoctrination tool to subdue the mentality and increase seperation within the population.



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[hagbard_celine]

G'day Hagbard Celine.

What you have said in this line is 100% correct.

Throughout my life I have played many different sports. The one thing that has been consistent throughout each and every sport that I have played, is that people are willing to 'do anything' (cheat) to win.

Personally, I have always thought that if you had to cheat to win, then you haven't won.

I watched the F.A. cup. The Chelsea goalkeeper is a cheat (not that the rest of the players on the field aren't either). This is a classic example of what sportsmen, by example, are showing children that follow the sport, and yet they are praised as being great sportsmen, when they are merely cheats.

At age 17-18, I played mens open football (soccer in Aus). I had grown men holding my shirt, tripping me from behind when I had gotten past them, as well as other 'tactics', in an attempt to win. This is merely one example of the cheating that goes on in every sport that I have played.

There are very few actual sportsmen left in the world that are playing at a professional level. The games that are played, as much as I enjoy them, are a farce. They offer little or no sportsman-like examples and are merely examples of the 'compete and win at all cost' mentality of the system. They are an indoctrination tool to subdue the mentality and increase seperation within the population.



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Spot on! You and I have discovered the same process independantly. I call it "hyperDarwinism". It's promoted by what I call "the Conformist Regime" which is one of the fundamental mass mind-control structures of the State.

Even the roughest sports have rules and the rougher the sport the more complex the rules. But the idea of life without rules is an essential philosophy of the NWO. It can be used by the state to justify... well, anthing! Practical needs become the only value and morality becomes an irrelevance. This is what Machiavelli said. The phrase "The ends justifies the means" was his. You can drop bombs on whole populations, commit genocide, wipe out "useless eaters", there will be no depravity too low to stoop to, so long as it has a practical purpose.

Here, have you seen "The Trap"? What do you think? Especially the episode: "F- You, Buddy" It is very relevant to what we've just been talking about:http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8372545413887273321&q=the+trap

[i am all i am]

Here, have you seen "The Trap"? What do you think? Especially the episode: "F- You, Buddy" It is very relevant to what we've just been talking about:http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8372545413887273321&q=the+trap

G'day Hagbard Celine.

I haven't watched "The Trap".

Thanks for the link. I will get around to having a look at it, cheers brother.



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[oneofmany]

What about the players that are good enough and smart enough to beat the cheats? This to me is what makes top flight football (and I'm not talking England here) exciting. The Italians are renowned for the cheat, but still they are beatable, The Spaniards have flair, but still they are beatable without cheating, The Brazilians are sublime on the ball, but when they are pushed to the physicality of the game within the rules, they become vulnerable. It's a sport of the brain not a cheaters game, as has been mentioned here. And just take into account that it is all happening in a split second!!! anyone who has played at a top level would know this, and I have football to thank for my Intuition, as it was where I learned to develop it, while I had defenders trying to take my legs from under me.

[i am all i am]

What about the players that are good enough and smart enough to beat the cheats? This to me is what makes top flight football (and I'm not talking England here) exciting. The Italians are renowned for the cheat, but still they are beatable, The Spaniards have flair, but still they are beatable without cheating, The Brazilians are sublime on the ball, but when they are pushed to the physicality of the game within the rules, they become vulnerable. It's a sport of the brain not a cheaters game, as has been mentioned here. And just take into account that it is all happening in a split second!!! anyone who has played at a top level would know this, and I have football to thank for my Intuition, as it was where I learned to develop it, while I had defenders trying to take my legs from under me.

G'day Oneofmany.

You raise valid points brother, but I would ask you this question...

Considering that what you fight you become, what is the purpose (or point) to "beat the cheats" ???



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[oneofmany]

G'day Oneofmany.

You raise valid points brother, but I would ask you this question...

Considering that what you fight you become, what is the purpose (or point) to "beat the cheats" ???



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I don't believe I would be "fighting" the cheats if I was playing them on the pitch, merely outsmarting and outplaying them.

[i am all i am]

I don't believe I would be "fighting" the cheats if I was playing them on the pitch, merely outsmarting and outplaying them.

Yes, but to what purpose would you be outsmatring them and outplaying them ???



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[oneofmany]

Yes, but to what purpose would you be outsmatring them and outplaying them ???



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To win the match, the aim of the game. No animosity or harsh feelings in it, just for the joy of it Brother.

[i am all i am]

To win the match, the aim of the game. No animosity or harsh feelings in it, just for the joy of it Brother.

For the joy of it resonates with me.

To win, well, you have already won because you haven't cheated, so for me it becomes pointless to play with cheats.

It would be great to see sport played where the first team/player that cheated lost the game and the score was not the determination of a winner or loser.



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[oneofmany]

For the joy of it resonates with me.

To win, well, you have already won because you haven't cheated, so for me it becomes pointless to play with cheats.

It would be great to see sport played where the first team/player that cheated lost the game and the score was not the determination of a winner or loser.



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There would be no sport on this Planet if this was the case.....Unfortunate, isn't it?

[father ted]

I can't stand football. I think it is like watching flies fuck. :D

Untill someone scores:D

[ant777uk]

When Liverpool beat AC Milan on Wednesday I win 3200 English pounds.

If you are in Melbourne Australia the best place in the world and want a free beer e-mail me on ant777uk@hotmail.com

I am from West London and Chealsea have their training pitch about 4 miles from where I was brought up.

But I fucking hate the bastards. Liverpool all the way.

[auron]

Untill someone scores:D

Yes! Then I'd rather sit on a hill on mushrooms! :D

[narcolepticwatchman]

and what is wrong with that? so we are distracted from the shit going on around us for a couple of hours? I must admit I love sport. I shout and yell and abuse the ref/umpire with the best of 'em. It doesn't mean I am allowing it to brainwash me or take over my life. I can be passionate about the game, during the game, and then let it go. The result is not going to affect my life in any way. Yeah!! I guess it is tribal. I can go tribal listening to african music or the didge too. Love it!!

It does not make me forget anything, just escape for a while. I guess we in Australia don't take it to the extremes as do the European countries. Our fighting is usually confined to throwing insults at the opposition's supporters and usually in a joking manner. If it turned into displays of violence as seen on TV, I would probably not wish to be involved either. Let us hope that doesn't happen here. It may with football (soccer) because of the diverse cultures involved but not Aussie Rules or Rugby League or Union. Love the cricket, love tennis too but my life does not revolve around them. They are just that ....a distraction.


I'm not saying there is anything greatly wrong with it mate. if you read my posts you would have seen that at no point did I say I didn't enjoy sport, in fact, I used to be a season ticket holder for the green half of Glasgow......I am just highlighting why I think sport exists......no doubt we all need a bit of escapism from this shit going on all around us....fair enough....but the thread was about symbolism within football and its reasons for being there....this is my opinion on why its there. Can you not see my point?

[deano]

Your inability to decipher plain English proves that you should keep your opinions about the esoteric arts and matrix manipulation to yourself...

We won the game! That's the point..... We beat Spurs, and we are now in conference I think... The game was on TV, I exercised my mind power and saw the results manifested on the screen. Cause and effect...

Please try to have less trouble dealing with the idea of infinite possibility and power..

Think I'd post this far out shit if I didn't think it was true.. I know it's true but this is the LEAST of the things I've seen and done...

It may seem unbelievable to you but others will have less problem with it...

then maybe you should go to all there games and get them promoted to the premiership.:rolleyes:

[freespark]

The F.A. CUP...has anyone seen the opening ceremony? prince william just walked out onto the field and made his speech from a podium at the apex of a red carpet pyramid shape- my god the symbolism is ridiculously obvious!! also the Manchester united badge looks like an eye from the angle the cameras are on the field- and with a huge red pyramid and the chelsea badge is a circle with something in it- thinks its a lion!! but all very ritualistic!!:mad:
Hi Lotti,

Yes i noticed this as well. I also noticed that if you look at Wembley stadium from the top (the air) you will see that the roof opening is shaped like an eye and the arch is almost like a huge eye lash. One huge eye from the top!

That whole ceremony was steeped in ritual. It reminded me of the article Delooze wrote about festival goers (in this case the fans) 'worshiping' these symbols unwittingly. The symbols i saw were William at the top of the red carpet pyramid, the red arrows flying overhead in shape of a triangle (top of a pyramid) and the ball. The ball looked like it had a pentagram shape on it. Most game balls have pentagon shapes as well.

People give energy to these things unwittingly because they are emotionally attached to the game and all it involves. The addidas symbol on the Chelsea shirts is a pyramid. The energy from the crowd in harnessed to a degree through the symbolsim. They use these moments of high energy to focus it and use it againsed us.

If anyone is interested in this type of angle Mathew Delooz has written some interesting articles on this.

Left a very bad taste in my mouth.

Oh and crap game too! Wish Arsenal were there at least there might have been some drama!

[freespark]

Oh please lottie.
The only significant thing about this F.a.cup final is that its drab beyond belief
I couldnt give a toss who wins,two clubs with too much money.
It dosent feel like a cup final.
The best ones are when you have an underdog team playing.
Man.utd versus Barnsley,then you would have a interesting game.
It really pisses me off when folk look for 'symbolism' in owt that moves....youre pandering to the site lottie.

Seems to me that you have some reading on symbolism and rituals to be doing. They use ALL THE ANGLES because its about ENERGY. When there are moments or events with vast amounts of energy involved THEY WILL BE THERE doing what they do best. BLEEDING US DRY.

[freespark]

The results of all sporting games are controlled by a group of people hacking into the matrix and controlling the players involved through reality control...

At least I suspect they do because I've done it myself....

A certain lowly northern team quite upset a premiership team a few years back...

Whenever the ball came anywhere near our end I fired a huge amount of energy into visualising the ball out of the goal... The ball hit the woodwork so many times in that game you wouldn't believe.... We didn't let the ball in once and believe 'our' team is really shit and the other team are fucking ace...

Matrix hacking is the next big thing....

Hehe Wow!

[freespark]

Your inability to decipher plain English proves that you should keep your opinions about the esoteric arts and matrix manipulation to yourself...

We won the game! That's the point..... We beat Spurs, and we are now in conference I think... The game was on TV, I exercised my mind power and saw the results manifested on the screen. Cause and effect...

Please try to have less trouble dealing with the idea of infinite possibility and power..

Think I'd post this far out shit if I didn't think it was true.. I know it's true but this is the LEAST of the things I've seen and done...

It may seem unbelievable to you but others will have less problem with it...

I believe you man! ;)

[freespark]

Me too dude, I never fully recovered from Jimi White never winning the World title :D

I havn't come across much symbolism in snooker, but then again I havn't looked.......

He he the triangle springs to mind!

[tru3]

What football, and American football, and rugby, and all forms of sport are, are nothing more than distraction for the masses. 'here, go and watch a ball being kicked about for an hour and a half, divide yourselves further into groups and practice tirbalistic beahaviour, fight with each other, spend your hard earned cash on some over priced merchandise and hot dogs and forget all about what we are doing behind this curtain to manipulate you'

It is the exact same as the games in the colleseum in ancient Rome. This is their way of letting us know they are pulling their strings. They are at the top of every pyramid mate.





thanks for throwing american football in there. the san francisco 49'ers were champs throughout most of the 80's. it's well known here (though not admitted widely) that the owner of the 49'ers had mob ties. he had the cash to simply outspend most of the other owners. the gambling syndicates have
major, major, influences on sports here, and that money flows up one leg of the pyramid.

i played contact sports from the time i was 10 until 34. i used to appreciate the artistry of a michael jordan or mario lemieux, but i can't even hardly stand to watch it anymore. participating and spectating are two different things entirely.

bread and circuses, imv. :rolleyes:

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[edelweiss pirate]

Seems to me that you have some reading on symbolism and rituals to be doing. They use ALL THE ANGLES because its about ENERGY. When there are moments or events with vast amounts of energy involved THEY WILL BE THERE doing what they do best. BLEEDING US DRY.

You've got that right... Spot on!

I'll go one further... I bet any sporting event could be totally orchestrated and controlled by no more than ten powerfully psychic individuals... if not fewer...

Even one person can do it....

The way England fares in the international cups is a prime example of mass energy manipulation for political aims.... How many times can the British heart be broken upon seeing unfair decisions and penalty knock outs... before the nation crumbles..... (won't happen Illumies, give it up!)

The World-Cup... The world's most powerful way to control the world!

[peter19]

yeah i deffinately think its possible Epirate. i might of even done it in a sense once (could of just been coincidence though, probblys was) but i was trying for man utd to play good and rooney to score and play well when they beat roma 6-1 (oh im good lol). no but seriously i think its deffinately possible and you can do it but whats the diffrence between you sending your energy there way and trying to influence things or the crowd and the fans ect sending theres?. maybe it is belief and the knowing that its possible or psychic development.

[i_am]

I'm not saying there is anything greatly wrong with it mate. if you read my posts you would have seen that at no point did I say I didn't enjoy sport, in fact, I used to be a season ticket holder for the green half of Glasgow......I am just highlighting why I think sport exists......no doubt we all need a bit of escapism from this shit going on all around us....fair enough....but the thread was about symbolism within football and its reasons for being there....this is my opinion on why its there. Can you not see my point?

Yeah I know. A bit off topic but I was just responding to all the ones who hate sport, really. The distraction quote just seemed a good place to jump in :D

I know symbolism is there just as it is in everything we do and see. You can drive yourself bonkers looking for something sinister in everything. When you get to a certain level of awareness, it does not have the desired effect on you anyway so you tend to ignore it.

My bugbear with most sport is the fact that it has become 'professional'. The obscene amounts of money the players receive has made them merely puppets. You can gamble on it all and that is just another way for 'them' to keep you in that mentallity. People know that it is controlled (well many do) and yet they still play the game of betting money they can't afford and getting really agro when they and/or their team loses. With any sport as soon as it becomes professional, it is a whole new 'ball game.'

So yes, I do see your point, however, I am not stupid nor am I asleep so I can still enjoy the spectacle without becoming attached to the outcome. I see the effect on some of those around me but that is their trip, not mine.

[cheeb]

are you all still on this topic most of us football fans get opver it as soon as the last whistle haS Blown
Its over till september
then the hype starts all over again

last year for me it was just startying and i spent all my spare time in hay on wye watching the world cup

what a rollercoaster of emotions

my England shirt has been lAID to rest since
Ill get it out for the euro next year

[edelweiss pirate]

yeah i deffinately think its possible Epirate. i might of even done it in a sense once (could of just been coincidence though, probblys was) but i was trying for man utd to play good and rooney to score and play well when they beat roma 6-1 (oh im good lol). no but seriously i think its deffinately possible and you can do it but whats the diffrence between you sending your energy there way and trying to influence things or the crowd and the fans ect sending theres?. maybe it is belief and the knowing that its possible or psychic development.

Exactly. Well put.. Of course.. it's ALL about energy! Psychic energy from the fans being chanelled into the footballers on the pitch to give them the physical energy they need to perform...

It's obvious but when you break it down, a football match is clearly an esoteric-magic event...

[garth]

Exactly. Well put.. Of course.. it's ALL about energy! Psychic energy from the fans being chanelled into the footballers on the pitch to give them the physical energy they need to perform...

It's obvious but when you break it down, a football match is clearly an esoteric-magic event...

To bloody right, its all about energy, don't matter if it's good, bad, fear, excitement...its all energy and it's all taken, especially when it is generated from a large group who collectively raise it from exibiting such passionate and extreme emotions. IMO european soccer match's have got to be an energy feeding frenzy..but any gathering that invokes an emotional response will do.

[klinker]

To bloody right, its all about energy, don't matter if it's good, bad, fear, excitement...its all energy and it's all taken, especially when it is generated from a large group who collectively raise it from exibiting such passionate and extreme emotions. IMO european soccer match's have got to be an energy feeding frenzy..but any gathering that invokes an emotional response will do.

Yes this is exactly it. The masses are so powerful that we are distracted for many reasons. They are scared of how powerful we are so we are encouraged to expend our energies on seemingly harmless distractions. If we used that energy against them they would be finished. These distractions quite often come with 'hidden in plain sight' symbolism and from these distractions our energy is also harnessed for whatever it is they use it for.

Sports are nothing more than a distraction and I have been a sportsman all my life having played rugby, ice hockey and football (soccer) so this is not an easy thing for me to say. ;)

There are many other distractions to keep us from the truth about ourselves.

[synergy777]

edel, hacking the matrix, more info please bro.

as for fa cup final, drogba scored his 33rd goal, and he has never scored against man u either, mmmmm. although my analysis, i think the lack of pressure on obi, the dodgy marking again by rio (on his day the best defender in the world) in the closing minutes of a game, and drogba's power and skill made the goal, but hey what do i know.i was gutted being a man utd/newton heath fan, lol but when good football wins, you can never complain, it was a great goal. personally the formation of man u was messed up, 442 is what we needed. we fucked up tactically, que sera, cest la vie. and as for the giggs incident, bloody hell, it was foul, some people.

but seriously as much as love this stuff, a need for some sort of rationality is needed. maybe world cup winners, boxing, horse racing etc could have predetermined winners, but i think the bookmakers have the most sway. look at cricket, the bookmakers made huge profits when ireland beat pakistan, as everybody betted on pakistan. i think woolmer knew, got pissed that his team threw the match, as he was writing a book, probably went ballistic (as he was on the fans side, and loved the team, knew there potential etc) threatned to expose the scam, hey presto. palyers are mercenaries, buisnessmen, entertainers.

what odds are you on ant777.

[synergy777]

sports isn't a distraction its great thing. it shows the true hypocrasy of humanity also, we can have all colours, religions united for a football team, but on global scale we can't, i find it hilarious when intellectuals wannabes go on about football, working class opium, twats.

also the man u fans booing william, they been reading about saxe coburg gothas, lol

[cheeb]

i beleive the quote is;

"football it's not a matter of life and death is it Brian?"

"No, its more important than that! Young man"

probly old big head Brian Clough said it ,sounds like one of his but can't be sure?

[mcmenek1]

i beleive the quote is;

"football it's not a matter of life and death is it Brian?"

"No, its more important than that! Young man"

probly old big head Brian Clough said it ,sounds like one of his but can't be sure?

Hi cheeb,

I believe it was Bill Shankly who made the comment:

"Football is not just a matter of life and death: it's much more important than that" --Bill Shankly

Love
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Peace

[jinjo5]

Your inability to decipher plain English proves that you should keep your opinions about the esoteric arts and matrix manipulation to yourself...

We won the game! That's the point..... We beat Spurs, and we are now in conference I think... The game was on TV, I exercised my mind power and saw the results manifested on the screen. Cause and effect...

Please try to have less trouble dealing with the idea of infinite possibility and power..

Think I'd post this far out shit if I didn't think it was true.. I know it's true but this is the LEAST of the things I've seen and done...

It may seem unbelievable to you but others will have less problem with it...
Thank you pirate,i will keep my opinions to myself.:rolleyes:
Your opinion is the one that counts,of course.
Please dont be too serious,its only football.
I will try and improve my English pirate and learn more about infinity possibilty
and esoteric arts.
Thank you for putting me straight.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)
Best wishes.:)

[klinker]

sports isn't a distraction its great thing. it shows the true hypocrasy of humanity also, we can have all colours, religions united for a football team, but on global scale we can't, i find it hilarious when intellectuals wannabes go on about football, working class opium, twats.

also the man u fans booing william, they been reading about saxe coburg gothas, lol

I don't think I said sport was not a great thing but it is a distraction in that our energies are distracted away from important issues and channelled into dead ends. I sometimes imagine how much less control 'they' would have over us if the masses channelled their passion and energy for football into fighting the NWO. We only have to say no.

Of course football is just one example of many things that have the same effect. Our energies are deliberately channelled without us realising it an many are not aware they have a choice.

[garth]

our energies are distracted away from important issues and channelled into dead ends. I sometimes imagine how much less control 'they' would have over us if the masses channelled their passion and energy for football into fighting the NWO. We only have to say no.

Of course football is just one example of many things that have the same effect. Our energies are deliberately channelled without us realising it an many are not aware they have a choice.

You've got it, except the energy is not dead ended, it feeds this "machine" that controls our very existence here, it uses our juice to power itself against us....ironic..yes..sick..very...and your right, if the same passion/energy that is exuded at one championship football match was directed at tearing down this machine that controls us...it would be game over.

And Edelweiss Pirate is damn right, Matrix hacking is where its at...time to hack the program and give it mongrel virus...a deadly trojan.....;)

[klinker]

You've got it, except the energy is not dead ended, it feeds this "machine" that controls our very existence here, it uses our juice to power itself against us....ironic..yes..sick..very...and your right, if the same passion/energy that is exuded at one championship football match was directed at tearing down this machine that controls us...it would be game over.

And Edelweiss Pirate is damn right, Matrix hacking is where its at...time to hack the program and give it mongrel virus...a deadly trojan.....;)

Dead ended as in deflected away from them Garth ;) and of course it's used for their own purposes. The distraction serves two purposes at least.

I'd like to know more about Matrix hacking.

[limelady]

Perhaps E-pirate could start another thread and give us the low-down on what he knows about hacking into the progrram?

This is something I feel is infinitely do-able, and I'd like to know more about it.

[lottie]

i second that Lime!!! :)

[armoured saint]

Perhaps we should organise a session of 'matrix hacking'. See if it works. Can you defeat minds of bigger numbers who are at odds with your wants and wishes?

[auron]

Try these little fellas:

http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ImgGalery/Dictionary/Freshly-Picked-Shrooms.jpg

[lookfar]

Perhaps E-pirate could start another thread and give us the low-down on what he knows about hacking into the progrram?

This is something I feel is infinitely do-able, and I'd like to know more about it.

Sounds good to me too. Cmon EP, spill the beans eh!!!!;)

[freespark]

i second that Lime!!! :)

Third that....

[synergy777]

how does one distinguish coincidence from creation? its a slippery approach that will feed your ego, beware. like the astral travelling being confused with lucid dreaming. imho.

look i have dreamt about limstone white pyramids, being in lush green fields. later i found the links, with same pics. now i think this is due to logic, my brain, after reading about the present day pyramids. then whilst dreaming the brain taking into account changing weather, river irrigation contsructed the lush green environment in my sleep/play/dream time. now i could say i travelled to egypt back in time, nope, my mind with the inputed data and its ability to generate/create, created this dream. secondly, i had a dream about sirius, horse head nebula, seeing dolphins wired up (johnny mnemnic flashback?) being transported onto a ship headed to earth.. then a day or two later, i see some people think dolphins were seeded here. its concidence, mostly, but the ego wants a demi god, i know it all status, just look at the clones. they know very little and hence think they know it all.

[yinon]

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[edelweiss pirate]

Synergy I'm surprised at you.. using the C word!

People just throw the C word about and it means.. Go to bed, forget about it, nothin amazing to see here just another silly old coincidence....

Just a coincidence...

That sentence is the most powerful tool for dissarming our spiritual awareness ever coined...

A coincidence literally tramples ALL OVER the laws of probability.. It is something that transcends the laws of the world as we know it..

So how does it do that?

Coincidences are proof that we have just hacked the matrix...

[synergy777]

i did stats module for a level maths, its true about probablity, its well mathmatically some of these are hard to model. but its discerning between paranoia/ego and reality. see its very hard to be accurate/objective when the hinderance of sheep, emotions effects ones analysis. to be honest the emotional part has been the biggest hinderance, even more than dweebs debating on forums. these two factors have slowed me down considerably which then creates frustation, negative emotions anger at the obstruction provided by ignoramus's with shallow heads, truly empty vessels make the loudest noise.

i think , well i like science, science gives some degree of accuracy.how do you distinguish between synchronicity and coincidence?