How to Wake Up a person Demanding Hard Facts.

[infin8_possibility]

Hey!

Difficult subject here, alot of people who refuse to believe so called "conspiracy theorys" do so because most the time there is not enough iron-clad "PROOF" for them to take into consideration.

So how can a person be woken up to the NWO, Illuminati etc when there isnt much concrete "PROOF" or Hard Facts to back up the claim. A prime example of this is someone saying I don't believe in aliens untill I see one with my own eyes...

Lets come up with a plan so when anyone is planning to wake a person up, they will have enough ammo in thier arsenal to be convincing...

Peace. :)

[size_of_light]

1. Don't attempt to wake anyone up.
2. Always express yourself in a way that is appropriate to the context
of the discussion you're engaging in.
3. If the opportunity arises, avoid the temptation to gush forth on any
and all 'conspiracy' topics, and instead, remain focused on
responding appropriately to the other person's comments at all
times.
4. Be honest. If you don't know the answer to something, say so.
5. Seek to illustrate the potential reality of controversial
phenomenon for the other person, without trying to corner them into
accepting your viewpoint.
6. Remain courteous, open and relaxed, and allow the other person to
'save face' and exit a potentially uncomfortable line of conversation
when you sense their discomfort, by making a lighthearted or
self-effacing remark.

People take in more information from your energy and the way you conduct yourself than they do from the actual content of your speech.

Over time, if you keep your cool like Fonzie, anything worthwhile that you have to say will be received with respect.

And if it's a one off conversation and you'll never see the other person again, then don't waste your fucking time.

[frei spirit]

use nutshell arguments,and know where to stop. example of such arguments : (1) science,technology,civilization,and modernity are by-products to humankind's search for the truth and knowlage of why are we here and what is it all about, in other words, search for meaning. (2)did birth happen to us or did we choose to be born? we did not decide or choose time and place of our birth, we did not choose gender,looks,organs,functions. we did not choose planet and galexy we born in,etc. therefore birth happen to us we did not choose to be born, it is good to be born, but it is more of a mystery than a choice, and the next natural or logical step after realizing it is a mystery is to explore that mystery through analyzing and questioning the reality, because what we call reality could be appairences try to pass as reality. arguments like these provock people's thought and make them feel the joy of seeking the Divine.

[orbandsceptre27]

I always find a bucket of cold water does the trick.

[infin8_possibility]

use nutshell arguments,and know where to stop. example of such arguments : (1) science,technology,civilization,and modernity are by-products to humankind's search for the truth and knowlage of why are we here and what is it all about, in other words, search for meaning. (2)did birth happen to us or did we choose to be born? we did not decide or choose time and place of our birth, we did not choose gender,looks,organs,functions. we did not choose planet and galexy we born in,etc. therefore birth happen to us we did not choose to be born, it is good to be born, but it is more of a mystery than a choice, and the next natural or logical step after realizing it is a mystery is to explore that mystery through analyzing and questioning the reality, because what we call reality could be appairences try to pass as reality. arguments like these provock people's thought and make them feel the joy of seeking the Divine.

Where did you copy - paste that from? :rolleyes:

How have you presented any substantial proof of the NWO to wake up a stubborn sheep?

[h2pogo]

the EU constitution/treaty and the euro.

[infin8_possibility]

the EU constitution/treaty and the euro.

You got a good link h2pogo?

[jojo]

1. Don't attempt to wake anyone up.
2. Always express yourself in a way that is appropriate to the context
of the discussion you're engaging in.
3. If the opportunity arises, avoid the temptation to gush forth on any
and all 'conspiracy' topics, and instead, remain focused on
responding appropriately to the other person's comments at all
times.
4. Be honest. If you don't know the answer to something, say so.
5. Seek to illustrate the potential reality of controversial
phenomenon for the other person, without trying to corner them into
accepting your viewpoint.
6. Remain courteous, open and relaxed, and allow the other person to
'save face' and exit a potentially uncomfortable line of conversation
when you sense their discomfort, by making a lighthearted or
self-effacing remark.

People take in more information from your energy and the way you conduct yourself than they do from the actual content of your speech.

Over time, if you keep your cool like Fonzie, anything worthwhile that you have to say will be received with respect.

And if it's a one off conversation and you'll never see the other person again, then don't waste your fucking time.


brilliant stuff SOL! in full agreement with your comments and very well written.

[frei spirit]

I always find a bucket of cold water does the trick.

jocking and teasing is an enemy of the truth, sober up and find joy and entertainment only in the truth.

[jojo]

jocking and teasing is an enemy of the truth, sober up and find joy and entertainment only in the truth.

in your opinion

[frei spirit]

in your opinion

beautiful work,now try to draw human beauty

[infin8_possibility]

1. Don't attempt to wake anyone up.
2. Always express yourself in a way that is appropriate to the context
of the discussion you're engaging in.
3. If the opportunity arises, avoid the temptation to gush forth on any
and all 'conspiracy' topics, and instead, remain focused on
responding appropriately to the other person's comments at all
times.
4. Be honest. If you don't know the answer to something, say so.
5. Seek to illustrate the potential reality of controversial
phenomenon for the other person, without trying to corner them into
accepting your viewpoint.
6. Remain courteous, open and relaxed, and allow the other person to
'save face' and exit a potentially uncomfortable line of conversation
when you sense their discomfort, by making a lighthearted or
self-effacing remark.

People take in more information from your energy and the way you conduct yourself than they do from the actual content of your speech.

Over time, if you keep your cool like Fonzie, anything worthwhile that you have to say will be received with respect.

And if it's a one off conversation and you'll never see the other person again, then don't waste your fucking time.

Fair enough man, but times are getting a lot more urgent and the more people that know how the "real world" works the better!

Im not bothered right now about "Remain courteous, open and relaxed", im more interested in proving to people the clandestine nature of the government and thier puppetiers. If you manage to WAKE someone up yet be it in a slightly aggresive manner, IMO that is a pyrrhic victory...

And if we dont gush forth with conspiracy topics as you put it, then how are we supposed to get the information out... The general populus rarely talk about these topics so its up to us to instigate their brains to WAKE UP!

[jojo]

beautiful work,now try to draw human beauty

say what?

[jojo]

Fair enough man, but times are getting a lot more urgent and the more people that know how the "real world" works the better!

Im not bothered right now about "Remain courteous, open and relaxed", im more interested in proving to people the clandestine nature of the government and thier puppetiers. If you manage to WAKE someone up yet be it in a slightly aggresive manner, IMO that is a pyrrhic victory...

And if we dont gush forth with conspiracy topics as you put it, then how are we supposed to get the information out... The general populus rarely talk about these topics so its up to us to instigate their brains to WAKE UP!

How many people do you know that woke themselves up without a researchers help??? Not many!!!


because by shouting your truths at people will not wake them up.

they will only wake up when they are ready.

[infin8_possibility]

because by shouting your truths at people will not wake them up.

they will only wake up when they are ready.

Oh really jojo!? Ever heard of Alex Jones?

[jojo]

Oh really jojo!? Ever heard of Alex Jones?

yes, but people turn to him when they already have a lust for truth. most will have seeked him out, on line.. or by word of mouth.

I assumed you were just asking about people you knew, in your daily life. To shout your facts and beliefs at these people will not have the desired effect of waking them up. rather it will make them shut down their ears.

[infin8_possibility]

Ok, just forget about the somantics of "whats the right or wrong way" to Wake someone up, that wasnt my intention of the thread.

My intentions were clearly stated in the title of this thread. What if a person will only go along with a theory put to him/her but will only accept what you're saying if you can back it up with substansial evidence.

The whole point of me making this thread was to address the fact that there isnt a lot of "meat and veg" proof to offer someone who is asleep yet willing to listen...

[jojo]

yes, true. I suppose that those of us who do awaken to this nightmare have done so because we have "felt" something wasnt right about the world. Its just not tangeable to the outside world but real within ourselves.

I suppose the biggest "proof" to talk to a layman about would be all the facts surrounding 9/11 and how the official story can be pulled appart by an 8 year old.

[infin8_possibility]

yes, true. I suppose that those of us who do awaken to this nightmare have done so because we have "felt" something wasnt right about the world. Its just not tangeable to the outside world but real within ourselves.

I suppose the biggest "proof" to talk to a layman about would be all the facts surrounding 9/11 and how the official story can be pulled appart by an 8 year old.

Yes indeed, I once offered these facts to someone and even showed a short video about the WTC7 tower. This person was still unable to fathom there was something fishy going on.

So yes, you are right jojo, people need to "feel" something is wrong before they are willing to accept this sort of information.

By any chance do you have an 8 year old kid? :D

[steevo]

To wake people up, tell them to watch the videos in this thread :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39053

[orbandsceptre27]

jocking and teasing is an enemy of the truth, sober up and find joy and entertainment only in the truth.

Oh I`m not teasing mate. Throw a bucket of cold water over your friend while (s)he`s sleeping - guaranteed results (even if the water isn`t cold it should still have the same effect ;)).

[infin8_possibility]

To wake people up, tell them to watch the videos in this thread :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39053

All this video proves is that Bush Lied about seeing the first plane crash into the WTC.

It does not prove he was involved...

A sheep could easily pick holes in that to justify the belief system in their head, "oh, maybe he was just getting confused with the second plane blah blah blah".:rolleyes:

[steevo]

All this video proves is that Bush Lied about seeing the first plane crash into the WTC.

It does not prove he was involved...

A sheep could easily pick holes in that to justify the belief system in their head, "oh, maybe he was just getting confused with the second plane blah blah blah".:rolleyes:

Well he said it TWICE at least that he saw the first plane hit BEFORE he went into the classroom.

[infin8_possibility]

Well he said it TWICE at least that he saw the first plane hit BEFORE he went into the classroom.

You sure the first plane hitting was before he was in the classroom?

Why would he entertain (no pun intended) a class full of kids after the first plane had hit?

That would be seriously bad PR dont yer think?

[steevo]

You sure the first plane hitting was before he was in the classroom?

Why would he entertain (no pun intended) a class full of kids after the first plane had hit?

That would be seriously bad PR dont yer think?

Because he can. Why does anyone do ANYTHING ?

[infin8_possibility]

Because he can. Why does anyone do ANYTHING ?

OK lets leave this to the original thread that you started, this thread is getting twisted off topic...

[size_of_light]

All this video proves is that Bush Lied about seeing the first plane crash into the WTC.

It does not prove he was involved...

A sheep could easily pick holes in that to justify the belief system in their head, "oh, maybe he was just getting confused with the second plane blah blah blah".:rolleyes:

You can memorise any number of relevant facts and figures and recite them when called upon, infin8, but it sounds like you're talking about what to do in a situation where the other person is demanding evidence that they're unprepared or incapable of evaluating rationally anyway.

'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink' is a cliche because it's true, unless of course you knock the horse over, force a nozzle down it's throat and block it's air supply until it swallows involuntarily.

There's no equivalent way to pour truth into another person's mind, unfortunately, no matter what you try.

[infin8_possibility]

You can memorise any number of relevant facts and figures and recite them when called upon, infin8, but it sounds like you're talking about what to do in a situation where the other person is demanding evidence that they're unprepared or incapable of evaluating rationally anyway.

'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink' is a cliche because it's true, unless of course you knock the horse over, force a nozzle down it's throat and block it's air supply until it swallows involuntarily.

There's no equivalent way to pour truth into another person's mind, no matter what you try, unfortunately.


Yes very frustrating, even when a an intelligent person cant accept such valid points.

I like to subtley thrown in a comment of "how can you form an opinion when you havnt viewed the flip-side of the coin". :D

[tracker]

Hey!

Difficult subject here, alot of people who refuse to believe so called "conspiracy theorys" do so because most the time there is not enough iron-clad "PROOF" for them to take into consideration.

So how can a person be woken up to the NWO, Illuminati etc when there isnt much concrete "PROOF" or Hard Facts to back up the claim. A prime example of this is someone saying I don't believe in aliens untill I see one with my own eyes...

Lets come up with a plan so when anyone is planning to wake a person up, they will have enough ammo in thier arsenal to be convincing...

Peace. :)

hhhm ? there is actually more than conrete proof and so much of it .
its just that the two words "conspiracy theory" invites ridicule and resistance .
also
"conspiracy theory" implies that what we or others present as a subject is a theory .
most are not theories at all , they are fact .
but saying conspiracy fact also invites arguments and risistance and still ridicule .

i find the best way is to allow others to start a subject matter .
i then feed bit by bit information that i have .

if someone then says
"it sounds as though your saying its a conspiracy"
i say
"i didnt say it was a conspiracy . you brought that up . im just giving you the facts . if you think that i think its a conspiracy , that is an asumption of me in your mind about my credability and not the facts at hand . the facts remain whether they are mine or not , or whether they are conspiracy or not .
maybe the idea of it being a conspiracy is in your mind."

i then follow that small statement with
"so tell me , does it sound like a conspiracy to you ?"

that roles the debate or conversation to wards the issue and not my credability as so many simple folks try to do .
this tactic is also what the governments do and the media .
so you have to learn to use their ways , to get things through .:cool:

[steevo]

hhhm ? there is actually more than conrete proof and so much of it .
its just that the two words "conspiracy theory" invites ridicule and resistance .
also
"conspiracy theory" implies that what we or others present as a subject is a theory .
most are not theories at all , they are fact .
but saying conspiracy fact also invites arguments and risistance and still ridicule .

i find the best way is to allow others to start a subject matter .
i then feed bit by bit information that i have .

if someone then says
"it sounds as though your saying its a conspiracy"
i say
"i didnt say it was a conspiracy . you brought that up . im just giving you the facts . if you think that i think its a conspiracy , that is an asumption of me in your mind about my credability and not the facts at hand . the facts remain whether they are mine or not , or whether they are conspiracy or not .
maybe the idea of it being a conspiracy is in your mind."

i then follow that small statement with
"so tell me , does it sound like a conspiracy to you ?"

that roles the debate or conversation to wards the issue and not my credability as so many simple folks try to do .
this tactic is also what the governments do and the media .
so you have to learn to use their ways , to get things through .:cool:

Some very good advice there tracker. I try to never use that word "conspiracy" because when the sheeple hear it they think it means that you are suffering from a form mental illness or something. They have been programmed into thinking that.

[h2pogo]

You got a good link h2pogo?


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3664960863576873594&hl=en

http://www.democracymovement.org.uk/

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6884017322536911169&hl=en

not sure on the second link as i just found it by accident.

[size_of_light]

Yes very frustrating, even when a an intelligent person cant accept such valid points.

I like to subtley thrown in a comment of "how can you form an opinion when you havnt viewed the flip-side of the coin". :D

My signature used to be a quote:

The hardest man to wake up is the one pretending to be asleep.

I admire what you're trying to do, but sometimes you're just wasting your time and energy when you run into these people.

[steevo]

infin* can I just ask you a question ? Do YOU think Bush had prior knowledge of 911 ?

[tracker]

Some very good advice there tracker. I try to never use that word "conspiracy" because when the sheeple hear it they think it means that you are suffering from a form mental illness or something. They have been programmed into thinking that.

yes they have steevo indeed , programmed , and we both mean programmed im sure because it is a program .

i call it ( in my book which im writing to help parranoid people break the spell )

an automatic mental alergic reflex .

every one suffers this illness .
the weird thing is steevo , sometimes when you point it out to them they get offish .

3 steps to noticing programming . the automatic mental alergic reflex .
step 1) instant deniel
step 2 ) indifference , you can spot this because some times their head goes back , or they lean to the side away from you in a subliminal manner that surguests they part them self from you , tactics like - laughable grins , smirks strange looks upon you etc .
step 3 ) punishment . usually in the form of excluding you as ill , unatural , or disasociation tactics like , cant talk to you , wont bother talking to you again etc your ill , your weird etc .

always the same program !
and it is







a program !

predictable , easily spotted . takes years to take down too .:cool:

[infin8_possibility]

infin* can I just ask you a question ? Do YOU think Bush had prior knowledge of 911 ?

Of course man! :)

[steevo]

yes they have steevo indeed , programmed , and we both mean programmed im sure because it is a program .

i call it ( in my book which im writing to help parranoid people break the spell )

an automatic mental alergic reflex .

every one suffers this illness .
the weird thing is steevo , sometimes when you point it out to them they get offish .

3 steps to noticing programming . the automatic mental alergic reflex .
step 1) instant deniel
step 2 ) indifference , you can spot this because some times their head goes back , or they lean to the side away from you in a subliminal manner that surguests they part them self from you , tactics like - laughable grins , smirks strange looks upon you etc .
step 3 ) punishment . usually in the form of excluding you as ill , unatural , or disasociation tactics like , cant talk to you , wont bother talking to you again etc your ill , your weird etc .

always the same program !
and it is







a program !

predictable , easily spotted . takes years to take down too .:cool:

Yeah youre bang on right there. Also when you show them some evidence such as those Bush videos (mentioned above), sometimes their head shakes very slightly from side to side fast as if they are saying "no" to themselves, and their head seems to be in a spin (cognative dissonance), and they go into denial like you described. it's as if their world has just been turned upside down and they cannot handle it. But the important thing is that the seeds have then been planted and because it is in their nature is to be very sheep-like, the seed will immediately start sprouting AT THE VERY MOMENT THAT SOMEONE ELSE TELLS THEM THE SAME THING. They THEN will follow like a sheep because that is the only way they feel comfortable. I am not trying to act as though I am better than them cos I'm not, I am actually just trying to understand the psychology behind it.

[steevo]

Of course man! :)

Thank god for that :D

[tracker]

Yeah youre bang on right there. Also when you show them some evidence such as those Bush videos (mentioned above), sometimes their head shakes very slightly from side to side fast as if they are saying "no" to themselves, and their head seems to be in a spin (cognative dissonance), and they go into denial like you described. it's as if their world has just been turned upside down and they cannot handle it. But the important thing is that the seeds have then been planted and because it is in their nature is to be very sheep-like, the seed will immediately start sprouting AT THE VERY MOMENT THAT SOMEONE ELSE TELLS THEM THE SAME THING. They THEN will follow like a sheep because that is the only way they feel comfortable. I am not trying to act as though I am better than them cos I'm not, I am actually just trying to understand the psychology behind it.


how weird is that steevo ! no its not a question either , its a fact .
your bang on steevo because although i dont plan to give my book out for free , i will now add that benieth that section in my book i have said something very similar to that .

:eek:

this means you have a special insight steevo .

what i said is something like this . ( wait till the book is released )

[ however you will notice some days later , that if a close freind or family member says something similar , you can notice with out fail how their deniel has suddenly changed to agreement and intregue .
i now ask you the reader that if you do see this try this little experiment .
join in and tell them that you had said that to them before but they didnt listen to you .watch how they dismiss or ignore what you say or again deny it and excuse their behaviour as being buisy at the time , headache , or wasnt listening and then
suddenly watch them turn back to the person who they regard as that freind or relative , thus again blocking you out .]

this is part of the automatic mental alergic reflex and can unfortunatly highlight that the person you are talking to may not respect you either .

it is a natural basic phsycological fact .


to some steevo it may seem harsh but i too was parranoid and if there is one thing i know about a lot of parrnoid people is that they dont want to be respected , liked or patted on the back , most of them want to be accepted as a human being just like every one else , and the fault does not lay with them , it lays with the masses .whats more paranoid people dont care if they are right or wrong
what they want is to change their experiences and life to that of something that brings them happynes and respect .
parranoid people can handle this fact better then those who think they are normal now isnt that weird ?

parranoid people need to know that they dont imagine things , and they need to know , the facts , which then can help them , use it , make something from it for the better .

ok this may look harsh like i said , but it is only part of the whole page , not all of it , so it could look horrific , but as i said , sheeple think its horrific , parranoid people would jump up and down and say hoooray , i wasnt imagining it , so what can i do ?


i then later give stratergies to show them how to make it all work the way they may want it too .

anyway steevo , well done dude , you have a special gift .

why dont you start writing , it could be what people are looking for ie

something different ! down to earth , and not from a dr .:cool:

[steevo]

how weird is that steevo ! no its not a question either , its a fact .
your bang on steevo because although i dont plan to give my book out for free , i will now add that benieth that section in my book i have said something very similar to that .

:eek:

this means you have a special insight steevo .

what i said is something like this . ( wait till the book is released )

[ however you will notice some days later , that if a close freind or family member says something similar , you can notice with out fail how their deniel has suddenly changed to agreement and intregue .
i now ask you the reader that if you do see this try this little experiment .
join in and tell them that you had said that to them before but they didnt listen to you .watch how they dismiss or ignore what you say or again deny it and excuse their behaviour as being buisy at the time , headache , or wasnt listening and then
suddenly watch them turn back to the person who they regard as that freind or relative , thus again blocking you out .]

this is part of the automatic mental alergic reflex and can unfortunatly highlight that the person you are talking to may not respect you either .

it is a natural basic phsycological fact .


to some steevo it may seem harsh but i too was parranoid and if there is one thing i know about a lot of parrnoid people is that they dont want to be respected , liked or patted on the back , most of them want to be accepted as a human being just like every one else , and the fault does not lay with them , it lays with the masses .whats more paranoid people dont care if they are right or wrong
what they want is to change their experiences and life to that of something that brings them happynes and respect .
parranoid people can handle this fact better then those who think they are normal now isnt that weird ?

parranoid people need to know that they dont imagine things , and they need to know , the facts , which then can help them , use it , make something from it for the better .

ok this may look harsh like i said , but it is only part of the whole page , not all of it , so it could look horrific , but as i said , sheeple think its horrific , parranoid people would jump up and down and say hoooray , i wasnt imagining it , so what can i do ?


i then later give stratergies to show them how to make it all work the way they may want it too .

anyway steevo , well done dude , you have a special gift .

why dont you start writing , it could be what people are looking for ie

something different ! down to earth , and not from a dr .:cool:

That is an excellent post tracker (especially the bits where you say that I have a special insight. Thanks! :D). But seriously though, that is a very interesting post cos that thing you said about paranoia, I hadnt thought of it like that before but I totally agree and I feel a little bit wiser tonight cos of it :) Brilliant! Your book is gonna be good I feel. It's the right time start a book like that because it's a new thing in most people's minds and the interest in this subject is probably creating new authors all the time. Funnily enough some people have said to me why dont I write a book and I think that maybe I could (in a down to earth sort of way like you said), and in my past I NEVER EVER thought that I would even CONSIDER the possibility of writing a book or even WANTING to write a book. It's this free thinking thing that Icke has taught us, it seems to have really changed me for the better massively. I'm not trying to say that my posts on here warrant me to consider writing a book, cos my posts arent brilliant but they are the stuff that I think about and it seems a shame to write all this stuff down and not to actually save it in a book. there are lots of other things that I write into text documents and never post but I like to save them so that I dont forget ideas that have come into my head. I think that most people in here could write a book(s) at some stage cos there are some bloody amazing people on here and I have learnt tons off them. Cheers! :)

[marc_o]

1. Don't attempt to wake anyone up.
2. Always express yourself in a way that is appropriate to the context
of the discussion you're engaging in.
3. If the opportunity arises, avoid the temptation to gush forth on any
and all 'conspiracy' topics, and instead, remain focused on
responding appropriately to the other person's comments at all
times.
4. Be honest. If you don't know the answer to something, say so.
5. Seek to illustrate the potential reality of controversial
phenomenon for the other person, without trying to corner them into
accepting your viewpoint.
6. Remain courteous, open and relaxed, and allow the other person to
'save face' and exit a potentially uncomfortable line of conversation
when you sense their discomfort, by making a lighthearted or
self-effacing remark.

People take in more information from your energy and the way you conduct yourself than they do from the actual content of your speech.

Over time, if you keep your cool like Fonzie, anything worthwhile that you have to say will be received with respect.

And if it's a one off conversation and you'll never see the other person again, then don't waste your fucking time.

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I'd have to disagree with your comment, based on what I've experienced.

My best friend was the person who woke me up. He woke up about 3 years before me, and employed the tactic you describe above. He never explicitly said anything he couldnt definatly prove, such as 911, global enslavement etc, but did seek to disprove small individual points on various topics, politics, existentialism, sociology, international relations etc.

Well for 3 years I didnt get it, until he showed me a very convincing 911 truth video on youtube. This was how I woke up.

I saw the video, saw that my best friend believed this 'crazy shit' and sought to prove him wrong. So I researched on the net to prove him wrong, only to emerge from my room on campus days later a dishevelled, confused mess, willing to conceed any of my previous points about 911 being carried out by Osama, and hungry to discover more of what has really been goin on in the world.


So I've pursued a tactic of being assertive when talking to people about this stuff. I've managed to wake up loads of people who I work with, family, friends, by making them want to actively prove me wrong.

Also, at work we have sky news on all day on big screens (great for my soul), which is good for highlighting relevent topics to colleagues. About 7 months ago I was warning everyone that there would be a massive economic meltdown, and now given the fact it is unfolding before their eyes they can see the things I talk about must be correct, how else would I know about these things? The whole Georgia-Russia debacle got my colleagues interested too... Sky news constantly reporting about russias aggresive act, then at lunch giving them a dose of globalresearch.ca and infowars articles to show them what was really happening. People, once given the facts always embrace the truth. I've got my team always bringing up conversations about what they've read on infowars and globalresearch.ca. and clips on youtube.

Also when people feel they know something others dont it makes them feel special, and means they will tell other people. I had one friend from work ring me up when she was pissed asking me to explain the whole martial law situation to her friends on speakerphone as she couldnt explain it properly. Its great to see people genuinley interested in alternative ideas, and when it comes from a credible source (not tooting my own horn) people want to engage with it.

I think anyone who has a good head and is well respected can afford to be quite direct and tell people how it is. Anyway, its worked for me, and in the short space of a year i've easily got 12 people seriously pursuing the truth, plus countless others that are now open to these ideas, although they may not take it seriously enough to really research.


So to conclude! Dont gush forth in an unbridled manner, but do gush, and link to other subjects, and say what would be considered outlandish things. You've got their attention and if you're articulate enough (you're probably thinking my english is shit but i sound awesome ;) ) and know your stuff people cant win an arguement about anything, as they are simply wrong.
Theres only one person at work who doesnt talk engagingly with me about this stuff, and shes BNP! says it all really. Theres no talking to some people!

[infin8_possibility]

anyway steevo why dont you start writing , it could be what people are looking for ie. something different ! down to earth , and not from a dr .:cool:

Here here, get spreading the good word...

[iloveyou]

1. Don't attempt to wake anyone up.
2. Always express yourself in a way that is appropriate to the context
of the discussion you're engaging in.
3. If the opportunity arises, avoid the temptation to gush forth on any
and all 'conspiracy' topics, and instead, remain focused on
responding appropriately to the other person's comments at all
times.
4. Be honest. If you don't know the answer to something, say so.
5. Seek to illustrate the potential reality of controversial
phenomenon for the other person, without trying to corner them into
accepting your viewpoint.
6. Remain courteous, open and relaxed, and allow the other person to
'save face' and exit a potentially uncomfortable line of conversation
when you sense their discomfort, by making a lighthearted or
self-effacing remark.

People take in more information from your energy and the way you conduct yourself than they do from the actual content of your speech.

Over time, if you keep your cool like Fonzie, anything worthwhile that you have to say will be received with respect.

And if it's a one off conversation and you'll never see the other person again, then don't waste your fucking time.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's brilliant. Just had to thank you. I'm printing it and hanging it next to my desk.

Love,
Sharon

[celtic isis]

Hey!

Difficult subject here, alot of people who refuse to believe so called "conspiracy theorys" do so because most the time there is not enough iron-clad "PROOF" for them to take into consideration.

So how can a person be woken up to the NWO, Illuminati etc when there isnt much concrete "PROOF" or Hard Facts to back up the claim. A prime example of this is someone saying I don't believe in aliens untill I see one with my own eyes...

Lets come up with a plan so when anyone is planning to wake a person up, they will have enough ammo in thier arsenal to be convincing...

Peace. :)

i would gently mail them a few choice quotes ;)

i found most of these baby's on the NWO quote thread on here:

"THE TRUTH is, there is NO Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there IS a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an indentifed entity...The country behind this propaganda is the US."
Robin Cook - Former British Foreign Secretary - RIP


The world is governed by personalities very different to what people
that cannot see further than their eyes, believe"

- Benjamin Disraeli


"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
Henry Kissinger, Speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.


"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men, their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas."
G. Brock Chisholm, co-founder of the World Federation for Mental Health, former director of UN World Health Organization



If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father


"All propaganda has to be popular and has to adapt its spiritual level to the perception of the least intelligent of those towards whom it intends to direct itself."
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf ("My Struggle"), Vol. I



In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.
- Aurelio Pecci, founder of the CLUB OF ROME 1991


If the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down the street and lynched.
- President Bush Senior 1992


Quote:
We must all face the fact that our world leaders are certifiable insane - or worse.
-William S Burroughs

Quote:


"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long."

President George Bush (January 1991)


"We shall have a World government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

Banker James Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, before the U.S.Senate


Henry Ford, Industrial giant:

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."


"The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts."



Franklin D. Roosevelt, U.S. President, 1933:
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."


"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto determination practiced in past centuries"

--David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission or Bilderburg meeting in June of 1991(Source Unconfirmed, but quote NOT refuted)


"It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am."
President George Washington, October 24, 1798, in a letter to George Washington Snyder

[tracker]

1. Don't attempt to wake anyone up.
2. Always express yourself in a way that is appropriate to the context
of the discussion you're engaging in.
3. If the opportunity arises, avoid the temptation to gush forth on any
and all 'conspiracy' topics, and instead, remain focused on
responding appropriately to the other person's comments at all
times.
4. Be honest. If you don't know the answer to something, say so.
5. Seek to illustrate the potential reality of controversial
phenomenon for the other person, without trying to corner them into
accepting your viewpoint.
6. Remain courteous, open and relaxed, and allow the other person to
'save face' and exit a potentially uncomfortable line of conversation
when you sense their discomfort, by making a lighthearted or
self-effacing remark.

People take in more information from your energy and the way you conduct yourself than they do from the actual content of your speech.

Over time, if you keep your cool like Fonzie, anything worthwhile that you have to say will be received with respect.

And if it's a one off conversation and you'll never see the other person again, then don't waste your fucking time.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's brilliant. Just had to thank you. I'm printing it and hanging it next to my desk.

Love,
Sharon

i do agree with some of that statement of tactics and generally see the truth in it .
but the idea that its probably the context or something isnt always true .

some folks wouldnt believe us if we tried

but splat it out with a mcdonalds burger , some sex and murder and they might listen
put it on the news
and they will listen .
not because they have their own minds
but


















because they dont !:cool:

[size_of_light]

I like to subtley thrown in a comment of "how can you form an opinion when you havnt viewed the flip-side of the coin". :D

Nice. I'll steal that one from you now. Thanks. :D

[infin8_possibility]

Nice. I'll steal that one from you now. Thanks. :D

No worries m8 :p, thats one of mine, from the database known as my mind. :D

[infinite tea]

If you awaken your SELF everything else will happen. Know that YOU are everything and find out who YOU really are :-)

[size_of_light]

i do agree with some of that statement of tactics and generally see the truth in it .
but the idea that its probably the context or something isnt always true .

some folks wouldnt believe us if we tried

but splat it out with a mcdonalds burger , some sex and murder and they might listen
put it on the news
and they will listen .
not because they have their own minds
but
because they dont !:cool:

I agree. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

The only guidelines are: whatever the fuck works for you!

You can hire a dog costume and walk around the city announcing "My name is tracker from the davidicke.com forum, hear me bark truth!" and if it gets the fucking results then keep on doing it.

The beauty of the truth is that there are as many unique ways to express it as there are people to embody it.

[cafetimes1991]

People in my school can be downright arrogant at times, and usually refuse to discuss it with me. I'm not wasting my energy on them now (focusing on leaflets etc) except for a few comments on society and how 1984-like the school has become etc here and there.
I'm just dismissed as "a conspiracy theorist".
Like I tried to show a fellow student some quotes yesterday, and he refused to look at them. Talk about head-in-the-sand! I could have shouted them at him, but he would have just put his fingers in his years and gone "LALALALALA".
Jeez. :mad:

[stomph]

Documentaries might stir up some thoughts:

The Century of the Self (http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=8339)

The Untold History of Controlling the Masses Through the Manipulation of Unconscious Desires (http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=8339)

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.

We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized." - Edward Bernays


Or a documentary about the food industry: We feed the World (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7738550412129841717)

WE FEED THE WORLD is a film about food and globalisation, fishermen and farmers, long-distance lorry drivers and high-powered corporate executives, the flow of goods and cash flow–a film about scarcity amid plenty. With its unforgettable images, the film provides insight into the production of our food and answers the question what world hunger has to do with us.

Interviewed are not only fishermen, farmers, agronomists, biologists and the UN's Jean Ziegler, but also the director of production at Pioneer, the world's largest seed company, as well as Peter Brabeck, Chairman and CEO of Nestlé International, the largest food company in the world.

[supertzar]

You'll never get anywhere with someone who believes in the concept of proof. There is no such thing! There is only analyzing evidence to estimate probability. You might convince someone that you have proof, but you are only fooling them if not yourself too.

[hellosatellites]

Or you can ask the the one demanding hard proof, to prove whatever they believe to be true. Most likely they can't prove their own assumptions to the absurd standards they set for you either. You may then reach a mutual consensus that nothing much, really, if anything, can be proven with 100% accuracy. That could mean finally having a real conversation where it's not about being right or wrong. Once people (ouselves included) are open-minded enough to look at information as 'possibilities' rather than 'Does this fit in with what i already believe?' there is a real opening for new knowledge, Truth (whatever that may be) :)

[infin8_possibility]

Damn, I've just been readin through my posts on this thread and felt quite embarrased at what I'd written. And that my attitude was on course to alienate people which was completely counter-productive.

Im a totally different person since creating this thread and know from first hand experience that people will edit out any information that contradicts their own belief system. Whether that belief system comes from the TV, religion or whatever, you can only offer information in the hope it will plant seeds, that hopefully will grow into a thriving forest.

[hellosatellites]

We live in societys that has prized the value of seeming rationality (with empirical sciences as ideal) and sedate homogenisation for so long. It's only natural that we think they (mainstream oriented people) have a right to 'demand proof' because we have been spoonfed the same values that nurture this hard headed way of thinking and relating to creation.
Also if we identify very strongly with our own beliefs and opinions it is very very easy to feel personally attacked and go into fight mode when our ideas and opinions are challenged.
That battle of mindgame (which spans the whole spectrum from arguments to figting and war) stop when we don't get sucked into that value system anymore.
And move on to playing more creative games

[supertzar]

Damn, I've just been readin through my posts on this thread and felt quite embarrased at what I'd written. And that my attitude was on course to alienate people which was completely counter-productive.

Im a totally different person since creating this thread and know from first hand experience that people will edit out any information that contradicts their own belief system. Whether that belief system comes from the TV, religion or whatever, you can only offer information in the hope it will plant seeds, that hopefully will grow into a thriving forest.

Rockin' post! Proof (:D) you are an intelligent human being not stuck in some ego rut.

[infin8_possibility]

Rockin' post! Proof (:D) you are an intelligent human being not stuck in some ego rut.

Thanks... :D

[nirvana]

Hey!

Difficult subject here, alot of people who refuse to believe so called "conspiracy theorys" do so because most the time there is not enough iron-clad "PROOF" for them to take into consideration.

So how can a person be woken up to the NWO, Illuminati etc when there isnt much concrete "PROOF" or Hard Facts to back up the claim. A prime example of this is someone saying I don't believe in aliens untill I see one with my own eyes...

Lets come up with a plan so when anyone is planning to wake a person up, they will have enough ammo in thier arsenal to be convincing...

Peace. :)


TPTB will be waking enough people up now.They need people awake so they can rebel etc.
If you want to wake a person up to alians spike them with lsd and pretend to be one.

[steevo]

Damn, I've just been readin through my posts on this thread and felt quite embarrased at what I'd written. And that my attitude was on course to alienate people which was completely counter-productive.

Im a totally different person since creating this thread and know from first hand experience that people will edit out any information that contradicts their own belief system. Whether that belief system comes from the TV, religion or whatever, you can only offer information in the hope it will plant seeds, that hopefully will grow into a thriving forest.

Hi infin8_possibility
We're ALL on a road leading SOMEWHERE, and everything that went on in the "past" (eg our posts) are just part of the overall journey of our experiences and learning. I think that most people on here realise that, and that is PROBABLY why they dont go back and bring up people's older posts and try to use them to too harshly against the poster (please dont look at my older posts, or even my new ones :eek::o lol) . In a way, we are living out our "awakening" on this forum for everyone to see. Maybe one day in the future, people will look back at our posts in a history lesson - God only knows what they would think of us :D

Yeah I am a different person too now (a better one IN MY OPINION ;)lol :D) 7000+ posts later :o lol

Yes keep planting the seeds of thought in the minds of our fellow man, and we will reap what we have sewn at a later date down the road :)

[infin8_possibility]

Hi infin8_possibility
We're ALL on a road leading SOMEWHERE, and everything that went on in the "past" (eg our posts) are just part of the overall journey of our experiences and learning. I think that most people on here realise that, and that is PROBABLY why they dont go back and bring up people's older posts and try to use them to too harshly against the poster (please dont look at my older posts, or even my new ones :eek::o lol) . In a way, we are living out our "awakening" on this forum for everyone to see. Maybe one day in the future, people will look back at our posts in a history lesson - God only knows what they would think of us :D

Yeah I am a different person too now (a better one IN MY OPINION ;)lol :D) 7000+ posts later :o lol

Yes keep planting the seeds of thought in the minds of our fellow man, and we will reap what we have sewn at a later date down the road :)

Thanks for the words steeve mate. I really had a mare on this thread! :D But fuck it! :D

[cafetimes1991]

Maybe one day in the future, people will look back at our posts in a history lesson


I like to think this. I just hope the history lesson isn't too boring though (horrible history). :D
Or all memory of us could be thrown down the Memory Hole if tptb get there way. But I don't think this will happen.

[steevo]

Thanks for the words steeve mate. I really had a mare on this thread! :D But fuck it! :D

I wouldnt say that you had a mare. But anyway, fuck it! lol :D

[earthwalkr]

Sorry, most cannot be woken up. They are soul-less beings; robotic humanoids. Over 60% of "humans" here have no soul. They are "creations" /slaves. They have no mind but the "hive" mind.
You can try as hard as you want with all the facts laid out and they will NOT comprehend at all! They can't.
So just stop trying. Let them go. You do all that you can do to change this world, but convincing the sheeple is draining your time and energy. You are suffering for it and getting frusrtated . I too went that route until I figured it out.
Go out and have some fun and enjoy as much as you can of your life. It was meant to be fun and exciting. Something the System here soes not want you to know. You're suppose to work hard and be a good slave and not make any trouble. Keep quiet and do what you're told.
Rubbish!
Move on and let them go. Go out and have some fun and laugh and love.

[takhisis]

Hey!

Difficult subject here, alot of people who refuse to believe so called "conspiracy theorys" do so because most the time there is not enough iron-clad "PROOF" for them to take into consideration.

So how can a person be woken up to the NWO, Illuminati etc when there isnt much concrete "PROOF" or Hard Facts to back up the claim. A prime example of this is someone saying I don't believe in aliens untill I see one with my own eyes...

Lets come up with a plan so when anyone is planning to wake a person up, they will have enough ammo in thier arsenal to be convincing...

Peace. :)



thats just it , and if facinates me why they dont even want to hear about it yet most of these people believe in relegions around the world and if you think about it there is no iron-clad proof for any relegion in the world yet they follow it blindly

But DONT try and wake people up , you can drop small hints and things but to try to wake up people to the truth makes yourself look like a luntic when you talk about it i found the best thing is to plant seeds into peoples heads about the truth and let them discover it on there own

[infin8_possibility]

thats just it , and if facinates me why they dont even want to hear about it yet most of these people believe in relegions around the world and if you think about it there is no iron-clad proof for any relegion in the world yet they follow it blindly

But DONT try and wake people up , you can drop small hints and things but to try to wake up people to the truth makes yourself look like a luntic when you talk about it i found the best thing is to plant seeds into peoples heads about the truth and let them discover it on there own

Yeah man I agree with you, I made this thread last year and have learnt a great deal on the subject from first hand experience. I refer you to my post #53 on this thread.

[rowan22]

Hi all, I would say that the best way to communicate with people who still don’t feel the change is to try and establish a rapport with them which isn't necessarily directly about the "nitty gritty".

I always feel that the truth of human experiencing is far more similar than it is different. We all have feelings and people we care for so to connect on this level is the common denominator to me. Our "society" is so good at manufacturing alienation, at sewing the sense that we are in some way abnormal for needing empathy and love.

I feel our strongest weapon against the manipulation and disinformation is this fundamental openness and authentic contact.

And how do you do this? I would say you really do have to know yourself, to
be comfortable and open with someone else. This genuineness is always easy to be with, and around because it isn't pretentious or self obsessed, it isn't deceitful because it is only ourselves we are lying to after all if someone else’s opinion is more important to us than our own.

[margaretr]

I have noticed on my local forum that, due to the Westminster expenses scandal now unfolding, people no longer trust politicians.
They have begun to question the motives of politicians.
We will be having an election very soon I bet.
People are asking 'who can we vote for - they are all rogues'
This is a good start don't you think?

Today I have sown 3 'seeds'-
1. child spies - backed up with a newspaper link
2. discussion on human origins due a TV show due on BBC next week -I posted a canadian newspaper link about alien DNA
3. parking officers having secret powers of arrest

None have been ridiculed
All this good info I have got from this forum, but I dare not mention David Icke or lizards or I would be ridiculed.

Drip feeds of info into threads begun by others seems to work.

[rowan22]

Yeah I think that’s true. The media and their Banker masters rely on our induced apathy to slowly move us to a place where we are prisoners and not just of mind!

You cant have an economic Paradigm which openly starts from a position of "exploitation is good" and think that we are going to end up anywhere other than in chains can you?

[lizzy]

Sorry, most cannot be woken up. They are soul-less beings; robotic humanoids. Over 60% of "humans" here have no soul. They are "creations" /slaves. They have no mind but the "hive" mind.
You can try as hard as you want with all the facts laid out and they will NOT comprehend at all! They can't.
So just stop trying. Let them go. You do all that you can do to change this world, but convincing the sheeple is draining your time and energy. You are suffering for it and getting frusrtated . I too went that route until I figured it out.
Go out and have some fun and enjoy as much as you can of your life. It was meant to be fun and exciting. Something the System here soes not want you to know. You're suppose to work hard and be a good slave and not make any trouble. Keep quiet and do what you're told.
Rubbish!
Move on and let them go. Go out and have some fun and laugh and love.


good post......I agree.....they either can't or WON"T......either way but now just being around them is difficult because you have to stay with mundane peramiters.;)

[pegcityevolve]

Always try harder, I get energy trying to convince them. I guess you gotta have that character, where people(sheeple in this case) in your presence respect you no matter what. Don't act nutty but, wise.

[thisbookisnotreal]

You say you want to 'wake them up'?

I don't see how spitting out random conspiracy theories is considered waking someone up. People don't want to hear about this stuff and they are justified in it, partly that is.

1.) Conspiracy theories are just that 'theories.' None of us have empirical evidence. We don't work in the government, and there are way too many variables for us to say absolutely we KNOW!

2.) If someone is to believe what you say, and hasn't been introduced to any of this stuff before, Congratulations, you have just created fear in that person. Now, he is a paranoid, staring out of his window shades afraid 'they' will come get him because he knows too much.

3.) Even if you knew for a fact, all of the conspiracies that have ever existed on Earth, you would not be awakened. Using that word in this context is very misleading. YOU cannot awaken anyone. Just as a hypnotist doesn't hypnotize, the other person has to allow you to penetrate their minds. And only when they are ready for it.

4.) If you do really want to awaken people, to become more conscious, evolved human beings, teach them how reality works. Conspiracies are damaging to society because we sit here and see all of this stuff and EXPECT more to come. Well, if there is one thing we have learned, it is what you focus on, you create.

Conspiracy topics are good to be aware of, don't get me wrong. But, in order for change to occur, we have to know how reality unfolds, how it works and how to control it. Otherwise, we only see the aftermath of ignorance of reality, which is destruction from the few.

[jakemaverick]

like the ghandi quote....been through the first few bits, still fighting me.......still waiting to win thought!!! pretty sure it's fiction.....

[xeon]

If this forum is the biggest one out there already, then that speaks for itself.

31,000 + members is a tiny drop in the ocean, and there are many forums on the Internet with a few hundred thousand members....Also I'd gather not everyone on this forum is "awakened" by the true definition of being "awakened."

And let's face it, many people out there, do not want to awaken at all, but carry on in what they do, think, and live....

He who has ears to hear, let him hear, he who has eyes to see, let him see.

[whiterain]

show people just how happy you are and how amazing knowing what you know makes your life. live by example

[mauviene]

Actually..the only way you are going to get anyone to believe you is if you jug them on the economic part or jug the structure of government itself.

No-conspiracy theory that sums it up can get anyone to realize what is going on.

Many anarcho/communist arguments really knock things out.

For example..the money that we use is loaned by private banking cartels. The people then go in debt right there since the starting bag of money was a loan out of nothing making our money a debt note. Thus the debt note..which is not ours..manipulates what we make and buy which is ours..they manipulate the value of our production based on when their cartel decides to tell our government when to print more..changing the value of our labor..when they in fact just print cotton slips and control and profit off of everyone's labor who uses their money which is enforced on you.

[relentless]

Be humble, and considerate of others views. Remember the way you felt when confronted with difficult information, confusion, resentment, anger, frustration, enlightenment, a need to share, denial, anxiety, scared, exilerated, overloaded, superior, transformed, helpless...

Sometimes in sharing a view, less is more

After everyones "awake" then what?