Freeman in Britain?

[1694]

Ok so all the info so far has been US or Canadian based. Alot of people have some vague ideas but can't seem to express them. I even caught a thread on this board where one buy insted another did his own research and find out for himself -great comminity spirit we have going on.

So I am looking into this a bit, and I dig out my birth cert.

As mentioned in the US versions, my first two names are lower case apart from the first letter, the family name is all caps?

Top right there is a two letters and six numbers. Punching them in google gives no results. (not a bunch of irrelevent results -0 results found)

The resistrar has their name in all caps in the declaration, then a signature on the bottom right.

Bottom left there is 5 letters all caps and 4 numbers. Googling that gives a bunch of chinese sites.

What have we got going on? Anything? Any ideas/guidance.

[1694]

Found a good site. Just reading the Magna carta. http://www.tpuc.org/Magna_Carta_1215
Interesting document. Outlines some things about freedoms, and how debts to the Jews must be handled!

[psych641]

Ive been meaning to research this for ages...

this is all i know of;

http://www.tpuc.org/

[pdcdp]

i'm looking into this too but nobody knows where my birth certificate is. have inspected family members certificates and found no number on the back and only one possible bond tracking number on the front, but they sounded similar to your non-starters. this is a fairly essential aspect so if i can't free up my bonds then it may not be worth going through with it.

my current thought is whether now is a good time to make this move? could be the last chance and our very best option.... could also leave us screwed if it all goes down next summer.... any thoughts?

and has anyone found a notary public who will handle the process?

[1694]

From what I have been hearing, if your gunna do it, needs to be done before th EU constitution replaces our own!

[fnulnu]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ft_Qbx84rw


Here's the man to ask,he's researched the process extensively,and is a really nice person to boot

[h2pogo]

looks like you found what i did

http://www.tpuc.org

lawfull rebellion using clause 61 of the magna carta is what we should all be doing.

[h2pogo]

From what I have been hearing, if your gunna do it, needs to be done before th EU constitution replaces our own!

the eu constitution can never be lawfull in the uk.
but you do have a good point.

[h2pogo]

i'm looking into this too but nobody knows where my birth certificate is. have inspected family members certificates and found no number on the back and only one possible bond tracking number on the front, but they sounded similar to your non-starters. this is a fairly essential aspect so if i can't free up my bonds then it may not be worth going through with it.

my current thought is whether now is a good time to make this move? could be the last chance and our very best option.... could also leave us screwed if it all goes down next summer.... any thoughts?

and has anyone found a notary public who will handle the process?

any solicitor/lawer should sign an affidavit.

[rhydra]

Clause 61.

Link. (http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/magnacarta.html)

[61] Since, moreover, for God and the betterment of our kingdom and for the better allaying of the discord that has arisen between us and our barons we have granted all these things aforesaid, wishing them to enjoy the use of them unimpaired and unshaken for ever, we give and grant them the under-written security, namely, that the barons shall choose any twenty-five barons of the kingdom they wish, who must with all their might observe, hold and cause to be observed, the peace and liberties which we have granted and confirmed to them by this present charter of ours, so that if we, or our justiciar, or our bailiffs or any one of our servants offend in any way against anyone or transgress any of the articles of the peace or the security and the offense be notified to four of the aforesaid twenty-five barons, those four barons shall come to us, or to our justiciar if we are out of the kingdom, and, laying the transgression before us, shall petition us to have that transgression corrected without delay. And if we do not correct the transgression, or if we are out of the kingdom, if our justiciar does not correct it, within forty days, reckoning from the time it was brought to our notice or to that of our justiciar if we were out of the kingdom, the aforesaid four barons shall refer that case to the rest of the twenty-five barons and those twenty-five barons together with the community of the whole land shall distrain and distress us in every way they can, namely, by seizing castles, lands, possessions, and in such other ways as they can, saving our person and the persons of our queen and our children, until, in their opinion, amends have been made, and when amends have been made, they shall obey us as they did before. And let anyone in the land who wishes take an oath to obey the orders of the said twenty-five barons for the execution of all the aforesaid matters, and with them to distress us as much as he can, and we publicly and freely give anyone leave to take the oath who wishes to take it and we will never prohibit anyone from taking it. Indeed, all those in the land who are unwilling of themselves and of their own accord to take an oath to the twenty-five barons to help them to distrain and distress us, we will make them take the oath as aforesaid at our command. And if any of the twenty-five barons dies or leaves the country or is in any other way prevented from carrying out the things aforesaid, the rest of the aforesaid twenty-five barons shall choose as they think fit another one in his place, and he shall take the oath like the rest. In all matters the execution of which is committed to these twenty-five barons, if it should happen that these twenty-five are present yet disagree among themselves about anything, or it some of those summoned will not or cannot be present, that shall be held as fixed and established which the majority of those present ordained or commanded, exactly as if all the twenty-five had consented to it; and the said twenty-five shall swear that they will faithfully observe all the things aforesaid and will do all they can to get them observed. And we will procure nothing from anyone, either personally or through anyone else, whereby any of these concessions and liberties might be revoked or dimished; and if any such thing is procured, let it be void and null, and we will never use it either personally or through another.

[boots]

To be informed you should look at the tpuc site and this one.

http://www.thinkfree.ca/index.php there is a forum there also.

Now it is VERY important that you follow the procedure to the LETTER.

The Freeman thing is the same in all countries because they are all CORPORATIONS.

Everyone of us are under the UCC ( uniform commercial code) in othere words we are corporate entities.

Here is a sample letter, there are 4 to my understanding, and they have to be sent to.

The Queen. The Prime Minister your local council the traffic authority in your country. The chief justice etc.

AND you have to get Blacks law dictionary and read it.

SAMPLE.
IN THE MATTER OF Jane-Anne of the family commonly known as Doe a FREEWOMAN-ON-THE-LAND


AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE

I, addressed by the name Jane-Anne of the family commonly known as Doe, a Freewoman-on-the-Land, HEREBY DO SAY that the foregoing document of Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right with a total of eight (8) typewritten pages was delivered by certified mail to:

To:
The woman holding the throne of David and acting as Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth Buckingham Palace London SW1A 1AA, United Kingdom

Quentin Bryce, acting as
The Honourable Major General Quentin Bryce
Australian Governor General of the Commonwealth of Australia Government House Dunrossil Drive Yarralumia, Australian Capital Territory

Kerry Shine, acting as
The Honourable Kerry Shine Queensland Attorney General And Minister for Justice General Post Office Box 149 Brisbane, Queensland

Paul de Jersey, acting as
The Honourable Paul de Jersey Chief Justice of Queensland Supreme Court The Law Courts Complex Post Office Box 167 Brisbane, Queensland

Marshall Irwin, acting as His Honourable Judge M Irwin Chief Magistrate of Queensland Supreme Court The Law Courts Complex Post Office Box 167 Brisbane, Queensland

Tony Moynihan acting as
Tony Moynihan Queensland Director of Public Prosecutions General Post Office Box 149 Brisbane, Queensland

Ken Henry, acting as Secretary to the Treasury, Department of Treasury
Langton Crescent
Parkes, Australian Capital Territory

Kevin Rudd, acting as The Honourable Kevin Rudd, Prime Minister of Australia
Parliament House Canberra, Australian Capital Territory

Anna Bligh, acting as The Honourable Anna Bligh Premier of Queensland General Office General Post Office Box 15185 City East, Queensland

Judy Spence, acting as The Honourable Judy Spence Queensland Minister for Police, Corrective Services and Sport Level 24 50 Anne Street, Brisbane, Queensland

John Mickel, acting as The Honourable John Mickel Queensland Minister for Transport, Trade, Employment and Industrial Relations General Post Office Box 2644 Brisbane, Queensland

Robert Atkinson, acting as Queensland Police Commissioner Queensland Police Services
General Post Office Box 1440
Brisbane, Queensland

Bruce Wilson, acting as Queensland Transport Director General Department of Transport General Post Office 1549 Brisbane, Queensland

Campbell Newman, acting as Lord Mayor, Brisbane City Council Brisbane Square, Library and Customer Centre 266 George Street Brisbane, Queensland

Ron Clarke, acting as Mayor, Gold Coast City Council Gold Coast City Council Post Office Box 5042 Gold Coast Mail Centre 9729, Queensland

And all heirs and successors to all the above.








SAID BEFORE ME, at the Town of )
Gold Coast, this ) __________________________
Day of 2008)

KNOW all men that I, ______________________ of Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia, at the request of Jane-Anne of the family commonly known as Doe, there being no notary public available, did on Monday, this First day of September 2008 Anno Domini, at Gold Coast, witness the signing of the document ‘Affidavit of Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right’ by the free woman on the land commonly called Jane-Anne of the family commonly known as Doe in the presence of
________________________ and ____________________________.
Yours Sincerely By

Signed ………………………………………
___________________________________ All Rights, Privileges and Powers Reserved Without Prejudice
Witness ……………………………..
Witness ………………………………



All sent by registered mail.



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[malvern]

has anyone tried looking up the numbers in the "share/bond market?"







freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[1694]

has anyone tried looking up the numbers in the "share/bond market?"







freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

I wondered this, what exchange are they on?

I also have not seen or heard of anyone recieving this dividend cheque.

Alot of people claim to be freemen/women but have they just sent off the letter and thought that's it, "I'm Free" but nothing has changed.

What if it's all bullshit? Has anyone had the police allow them to have a gun, travel in an automobile without tax, not pay income tax?

What about the NHS, do you have to get private health insurance? Can you donate apportioined income to allow you onboard.

Apportioned road and council tax still provide you with a service, I feel morraly obliged to pay these.

[lottie]

Im very interested in this 'Free(wo)man :D of the Land thing but a few things concern me, one being what happens about passports??

...i have heard you arn't allowed one (since they are property of 'er majesty the fraudulent, lying bitch queen!) But i still feel there must be some way to travel either without one or with a 'freeman' one because whats the point in being 'free' if you cant travel/move freely too?! There must be soem way around it surely? I know that Irene-Maus:GravenhorstTM (lol) has a way and canapparently travel but she's a multi-millionaire and can afford top lawyers etc and tbh her info is great but unrealistic if you're a mere peasant girl such as myself!

anyone know of anything?:confused:

[pdcdp]

Im very interested in this 'Free(wo)man :D of the Land thing but a few things concern me, one being what happens about passports??

...i have heard you arn't allowed one (since they are property of 'er majesty the fraudulent, lying bitch queen!) But i still feel there must be some way to travel either without one or with a 'freeman' one because whats the point in being 'free' if you cant travel/move freely too?! There must be soem way around it surely? I know that Irene-Maus:GravenhorstTM (lol) has a way and canapparently travel but she's a multi-millionaire and can afford top lawyers etc and tbh her info is great but unrealistic if you're a mere peasant girl such as myself!

anyone know of anything?:confused:

thinkfree says you don't need a passport due to your right to travel. you may have to make your own or use a family bible like the old days, but either way will probably have to arrange with the host country in advance.

[pdcdp]

I wondered this, what exchange are they on?

I also have not seen or heard of anyone recieving this dividend cheque.

Alot of people claim to be freemen/women but have they just sent off the letter and thought that's it, "I'm Free" but nothing has changed.

What if it's all bullshit? Has anyone had the police allow them to have a gun, travel in an automobile without tax, not pay income tax?

What about the NHS, do you have to get private health insurance? Can you donate apportioined income to allow you onboard.

Apportioned road and council tax still provide you with a service, I feel morraly obliged to pay these.

for me it all comes down to the bonds. if you can suss that out and free it up for positive use in the community then you won't really have to worry about paying for healthcare etc. wouldn't it be the greatest thing ever if you successfully paid the mortgage off just by writing a number on bill and sending it back?

i've heard of people in uk paying off student loans but have yet to find the appropriate tracking number, have seen 3 other birth certificates... where else could i find my number?

road / council tax could surely be paid in the same way if you wanted?

[1694]

These bonds seem ever so elusive, everyone has heard of someone. No one has seen someone.

On the bonds issue, I am confused. As I understand it the dividend it tied to the taxes levied on your productivity, so you should only be able to claim back any taxes you have paid in. If you haven't paid income tax your dividend stream would be 0.

If you own your own bond, you pay your income tax to yourself. You can't just draw money out of nowhere. You still work for a living but you now get 100% of the fruits of your labour.

I'm beginig to think Freeman ism might be a croc.

How do you reclaim your bond, it has been sold to a thrid party? Do you just claim that the bond was issued in your name and sold without your consent?

[pdcdp]

These bonds seem ever so elusive, everyone has heard of someone. No one has seen someone.

On the bonds issue, I am confused. As I understand it the dividend it tied to the taxes levied on your productivity, so you should only be able to claim back any taxes you have paid in so if you haven't paid income tax your dividend stream should reflect that.

If you own your own bond, you pay your income tax to yourself. You can't just draw money out of nowhere. You stil work for a living.

the impression i got from thinkfree is that we are all entitled to a share of the nations wealth, your birth certificate is your strawman application and hands control of your funds over to your elected government. theoretically, if i've not got all this wrong, this should be a good few million each, although i don't know if many nations actually have any wealth left :rolleyes:

this needs clarification, n'est pas?

[1694]

the impression i got from thinkfree is that we are all entitled to a share of the nations wealth, your birth certificate is your strawman application and hands control of your funds over to your elected government. theoretically, if i've not got all this wrong, this should be a good few million each, although i don't know if many nations actually have any wealth left :rolleyes:

this needs clarification, n'est pas?

If your bond is individualised you are entiled to your share of the wealth of the nation, ie the wealth YOU have created in the nation through the work you have done.

At the moment we don't have wealth because everything we do is owed to someone else, those who have lent to the government in exchange for gilts. It maybe that these gilts are what is being refered to. They might not be secured against individual birth certificates, although the logic stands.

Government says to bank we need X amount.
Bank says how will you repay
Government says we will tax the productivity of the people.
The bank takes the tax on productivity as the security for the loan.

Whether this occurs on person by person level? The govt says, this year Y amount of people were born-shows stack of birth certs, over their life they will repay Z amount of tax, can we have X amount upfront.

[pdcdp]

If your bond is individualised you are entiled to your share of the wealth of the nation, ie the wealth YOU have created in the nation through the work you have done.

At the moment we don't have wealth because everything we do is owed to someone else, those who have lent to the government in exchange for gilts. It maybe that these gilts are what is being refered to. They might not be secured against individual birth certificates, although the logic stands.

Government says to bank we need X amount.
Bank says how will you repay
Government says we will tax the productivity of the people.
The bank takes the tax on productivity as the security for the loan.

Whether this occurs on person by person level? The govt says, this year Y amount of people were born-shows stack of birth certs, over their life they will repay Z amount of tax, can we have X amount upfront.

hmmm, i'm gonna have to study that reply when i get back from work, have only just started thinking about specific govt policies etc so it takes a while... :p

even so, maybe it's worth going ahead with freemanry before the EU gets in the way, can still resume your strawman life later on, right?

[lottie]

thinkfree says you don't need a passport due to your right to travel. you may have to make your own or use a family bible like the old days, but either way will probably have to arrange with the host country in advance.

Thanks very much for the advice...i'l go read up asap!! :)

[dondaz]

From what I have been hearing, if your gunna do it, needs to be done before th EU constitution replaces our own!

Lawfully, it does not matter wether the eu constitution comes into effect because it is a fraud against the people. Therefor it is against the law. Only those with an agenda and the naive will go along with it anyway. Do not let the EU scam sway anyone one from becoming a freeman. If they have no contract from you there is no laws that allow them to apply the eu constitutions to you! The burdon of proof is on them. If they bring forth a contract then clearly it has been obtained by deception and fraud, which makes it null and void!

They will try to enforce the eu rubbish on everyone, even if you have sent in a noui/cor, it's what they do. It's just lies backed up by violence. Nothing more!

Good thread but I don't yet know much about the birth certificate to offer any help, I'm working on my NOUI and COR and plan to serve them with it very soon!

[1694]

Did I hear somewhere it is your national insurance no that is your bond? Make sense at 16 you are eligible to earn and pay income tax....and yet not able to vote! Also then anyone who comes to this country to work gets an NI number, so the govt can borrow against that too.

Check your NI card, name all caps.

[1694]

The National Insurance Number (NIN) is the unique number allocated to you by the Department for Work and Pensions in the UK. Your NIN allows you to work, pay taxes, access public services and open a bank account

So if i don't have a National Insurance number I'm not allowed to pay taxes?

[1694]

You do not have a legal right to a National Insurance number, but there are circumstances when you are legally obliged to apply for one and register for National Insurance purposes.

[1694]

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/82c22deb14a3864e1a00726e797a67a1/compdetails

National Insurance Company Ltd

[h2pogo]

I think alot may be learnt about uk freeman/lawfullrebellion at this conference.
jhon harris from http://www.tpuc.orgto be a speaker.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=646387&posted=1#post646387

1694 you may be onto something with the national insurance
the ni number is the one thing you must have to be elligable for state benefits.

[yozhik]

You know statutes and acts have gone too far when;

DON'T laugh. Don't stare. Don't clap your hands.

They sound like the sort of instructions a primary school teacher would bark at his unruly pupils.
But these ruthless restrictions have been imposed on a father after a long dispute with neighbours over speed bumps.

The long list of bizarre prohibitions is contained in an anti-social behaviour order (Asbo) delivered to Mr Hunt, of Drumnadrochit in Inverness-shire.

His lawyer, George Mathers, said the terms of the Asbo were "nonsensical". He said: "It contravenes any individual's human rights, a right to a proper, family life. How can you do that if you are not allowed to laugh at anyone. He would technically be breaching his order if he laughs at a joke."

"You can imagine some wonderful defences, like 'I wasn't laughing, I was smirking', or 'I wasn't staring, I was just looking'."
"I'm amazed the court let this one through. Not only is it ridiculously prohibitive, it is also totally unenforceable."

A spokesman for Highland Council refused to discuss why the conditions were drawn up but a statement said: "The council is confident that the order is competent."


Source: The Scotsman, Published Date: 25 October 2008 By Michael Howie

[pauldonz]

Clause 61.

Link. (http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/magnacarta.html)

dont know if this applies to scotland as we have the declaration of arbroath, will have to look into it though.