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hagbard_celine

15-10-2008, 10:16 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6637396204037343133

I've watched the first 20 minutes and I've got tears in my eyes! This is horrific and unbelieveable!:mad::(

lightgiver

15-10-2008, 10:33 PM

very sad,will watch rest later,so many atrocities go on unnoticed:(
reminds of the false war on terror:(

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-210088912352527308&ei=N1P2SMO3FYiG2gKkk63dDg&q=john+pilger&hl=fr

daveashe

15-10-2008, 10:43 PM

Oh my that is really sick, what is wrong with these people?

real6

15-10-2008, 11:20 PM

FOREWORD

Jasper Joseph is a sixty-four-year-old native man from Port Hardy, British Columbia. His eyes still fill with tears when he remembers his cousins who were killed with lethal injections by staff at the Nanaimo Indian Hospital in 1944.

I was just eight, and they'd shipped us down from the Anglican residential school in Alert Bay to the Nanaimo Indian Hospital, the one run by the United Church. They kept me isolated in a tiny room there for more than three years, like I was a lab rat, feeding me these pills, giving me shots that made me sick. Two of my cousins made a big fuss, screaming and fighting back all the time, so the nurses gave them shots, and they both died right away. It was done to silence them. (November 10, 2000)

Unlike post-war Germans, Canadians have yet to acknowledge, let alone repent from, the genocide that we inflicted on millions of conquered people: the aboriginal men, women and children who were deliberately exterminated by our racially supremacist churches and state.

As early as November 1907, the Canadian press was acknowledging that the death rate within Indian residential schools exceeded 50% (see Appendix, Key Newspaper Articles). And yet the reality of such a massacre has been wiped clean from the public record and consciousness in Canada over the past decades. Small wonder; for that hidden history reveals a system whose aim was to destroy most native people by disease, relocation and outright murder, while "assimilating" a minority of collaborators who were trained to serve the genocidal system.

This history of purposeful genocide implicates every level of government in Canada, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), every mainstream church, large corporations and local police, doctors and judges. The web of complicity in this killing machine was, and remains, so vast that its concealment has required an equally elaborate campaign of cover-up that has been engineered at the highest levels of power in our country; a cover-up that is continuing, especially now that eyewitnesses to murders and atrocities at the church-run native residential "schools" have come forward for the first time.

For it was the residential "schools" that constituted the death camps of the Canadian Holocaust, and within their walls nearly one-half of all aboriginal children sent there by law died, or disappeared, according to the government's own statistics.

These 50,000 victims have vanished, as have their corpses - "like they never existed", according to one survivor. But they did exist. They were innocent children, and they were killed by beatings and torture and after being deliberately exposed to tuberculosis and other diseases by paid employees of the churches and government, according to a "Final Solution" master plan devised by the Department of Indian Affairs and the Catholic and Protestant churches.

With such official consent for manslaughter emanating from Ottawa, the churches responsible for annihilating natives on the ground felt emboldened and protected enough to declare full-scale war on non-Christian native peoples through the 20th century.

The casualties of that war were not only the 50,000 dead children of the residential schools, but the survivors, whose social condition today has been described by United Nations human rights groups as that of "a colonized people barely on the edge of survival, with all the trappings of a third-world society". (November 12, 1999)
The Holocaust is continuing

This report is the child of a six-year independent investigation into the hidden history of genocide against aboriginal peoples in Canada. It summarises the testimonies, documents and other evidence proving that Canadian churches, corporations and the government are guilty of intentional genocide, in violation of the United Nations Convention on Genocide, which Canada ratified in 1952 and under which it is bound by international law.

The report is a collaborative effort of nearly 30 people. And yet some of its authors must remain anonymous, particularly its aboriginal contributors, whose lives have been threatened and who have been assaulted, denied jobs and evicted from their homes on Indian reserves because of their involvement in this investigation.

As a former minister in one of the guilty institutions named in our inquiry - the United Church of Canada - I have been fired, blacklisted, threatened and publicly maligned by its officers for my attempts to uncover the story of the deaths of children at that church's Alberni residential school.

Many people have made sacrifices to produce this report, so that the world can learn of the Canadian Holocaust, and to ensure that those responsible for it are brought to justice before the International Criminal Court.

Beginning among native and low-income activists in Port Alberni, British Columbia, in the fall of 1994, this inquiry into crimes against humanity has continued in the face of death threats, assaults and the resources of church and state in Canada.

It is within the power of the reader to honour our sacrifice by sharing this story with others and refusing to participate in the institutions which deliberately killed many thousands of children.

This history of official endorsement of, and collusion in, a century or more of crimes against Canada's first peoples must not discourage us from uncovering the truth and bringing the perpetrators to justice.

It is for this reason that we invite you to remember not only the 50,000 children who died in the residential school death camps, but the silent victims today who suffer in our midst for bread and justice.

(Rev.) Kevin D. Annett
Secretary
The Truth Commission into Genocide in Canada
Vancouver, British Columbia, February 1, 2001
PART ONE: Summary of Evidence of Intentional Genocide in Canadian Residential Schools

Article II: The intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national ethnic, racial or religious group; namely, non-Christian aboriginal peoples in Canada

The foundational purpose behind the more than one hundred Indian residential schools established in Canada by government legislation and administered by Protestant and Catholic churches was the deliberate and persistent eradication of aboriginal people and their culture, and the conversion of any surviving native people to Christianity.

This intent was enunciated in the Gradual Civilization Act of 1857 in Upper Canada, and earlier, church-inspired legislation, which defined aboriginal culture as inferior, stripped native people of citizenship and subordinated them in a separate legal category from non-Indians. This Act served as the basis for the federal Indian Act of 1874, which recapitulated the legal and moral inferiority of aboriginals and established the residential school system. The legal definition of an Indian as "an uncivilized person, destitute of the knowledge of God and of any fixed and clear belief in religion" (Revised Statutes of British Columbia, 1960) was established by these Acts and continues to the present day.

Then, as now, aboriginals were considered legal and practical non-entities in their own land and, hence, inherently expendable.

This genocidal intent was restated time and again in government legislation, church statements and the correspondence and records of missionaries, Indian agents and residential school officials (see Documentation section). Indeed, it was the very raison d'être of the state-sanctioned Christian invasion of traditional native territories and of the residential school system itself, which was established at the height of European expansionism in the 1880s and persisted until 1984.

By definition, this aim was genocidal, for it planned and carried out the destruction of a religious and ethnic group: all those aboriginal people who would not convert to Christianity and be culturally extinguished. Non-Christian natives were the declared target of the residential schools, which practised wholesale ethnic cleansing under the guise of education.

As well, such "pagans" were the subject of government-funded sterilisation programs administered at church-run hospitals and tuberculosis sanatoriums on Canada's west coast (see Article IId).

According to an eyewitness, Ethel Wilson of Bella Bella, BC, a United Church missionary doctor, George Darby, deliberately sterilised non-Christian Indians between 1928 and 1962 at the R. W. Large Memorial Hospital in Bella Bella. Ms Wilson, who is now deceased, stated in 1998:
Doctor Darby told me in 1952 that Indian Affairs in Ottawa was paying him for every Indian he sterilised, especially if they weren't church-goers. Hundreds of our women were sterilised by Doctor Darby, just for not going to church. (Testimony of Ethel Wilson to International Human Rights Association of American Minorities [IHRAAM] Tribunal, Vancouver, BC, June 13, 1998)

According to Christy White, a resident of Bella Bella, records of these government-funded sterilisations at the R. W. Large Hospital were deliberately destroyed in 1995, soon after a much-publicised police investigation was to open into residential school atrocities in British Columbia. Ms White stated in 1998:
I worked at the Bella Bella hospital, and I know that Barb Brown, one of the administrators there, dumped sterilisation records at sea on two occasions. Some of the records were found washed up on the beach south of town. That was just after the cops opened their investigation into the schools, in the spring of 1995. They were covering their tracks. We all knew Ottawa was funding sterilisations, but we were told to keep quiet about it. (Testimony of Christy White to Kevin Annett, August 12, 1998)

Legislation permitting the sterilisation of any residential school inmate was passed in BC in 1933 and in Alberta in 1928 (see "Sterilization Victims Urged to Come Forward" by Sabrina Whyatt, Windspeaker, August 1998). The Sexual Sterilization Act of BC allowed a school principal to permit the sterilisation of any native person under his charge. As their legal guardian, the principal could thus have any native child sterilised. Frequently, these sterilisations occurred to whole groups of native children when they reached puberty, in institutions like the Provincial Training School in Red Deer, Alberta, and the Ponoka Mental Hospital. (Former nurse Pat Taylor to Kevin Annett, January 13, 2000)

Of equal historical significance is the fact that the Canadian federal government passed legislation in 1920, making it mandatory for all native children in British Columbia - the west coast of which was the least Christianised area among aboriginals in Canada - to attend residential schools, despite the fact that the same government had already acknowledged that the death rate due to communicable diseases was much higher in these schools and that, while there, the native children's "constitution is so weakened that they have no vitality to withstand disease". (A. W. Neill, West Coast Indian Agent, to Secretary of Indian Affairs, April 25, 1910)

That is, the Canadian government legally compelled the attendance of the most "pagan" and least assimilated of the native peoples in residential schools at precisely the time when the death rate in these schools had reached their pinnacle - about 40%, according to Indian Affairs officers like Dr Peter Bryce. This fact alone suggests a genocidal intent towards non-Christian aboriginals.

Article II (a): Killing members of the group intended to be destroyed

That aboriginal people were deliberately killed in the residential schools is confirmed by eyewitness testimonies, government records and statements of Indian agents and tribal elders. It is also strongly suggested by the bare fact that the mortality level in residential schools averaged 40%, with the deaths of more than 50,000 native children across Canada (see Bibliography, inc. the report of Dr Peter Bryce to Department of Indian Affairs Superintendent Duncan Campbell Scott, April 1909).

The fact, as well, that this death rate stayed constant across the years, and within the schools and facilities of every denomination which ran them - Roman Catholic, United, Presbyterian or Anglican - suggests that common conditions and policies were behind these deaths. For every second child to die in the residential school system eliminates the possibility that these deaths were merely accidental or the actions of a few depraved individuals acting alone without protection.

Yet not only was this system inherently murderous, but it operated under the legal and structural conditions which encouraged, aided and abetted murder and which were designed to conceal these crimes.

The residential schools were structured like concentration camps, on a hierarchical military basis under the absolute control of a principal appointed jointly by church and state, and who was usually a clergyman. This principal was even given legal guardianship rights over all students during the early 1930s by the federal government, at least in west coast residential schools. This action by the government was highly unusual, considering that native people were by law the legal wards of the state, and had been so since the commencement of the Indian Act. And yet such absolute power of the school principal over the lives of aboriginal students was a requirement of any system whose killing of aboriginals had to be disguised and later denied.

The residential schools were constructed behind this deception in such a way that the deaths and atrocities that constitute genocide could be hidden and eventually explained. In the Canadian context, this meant a policy of gradual but deliberate extermination under a protective legal umbrella, administered by "legitimate and trusted" institutions: the mainline churches.

It should be clarified from the outset that the decisions concerning the residential schools, including those which caused the deaths of children and resulting cover-ups, were officially sanctioned by every level of the churches that ran them and the government which created them. Only such sanction could have allowed the deaths to continue as they did - and the perpetrators to feel protected enough to operate with impunity for many years within the system, which they universally did.

Exposure to Diseases

In 1909, Dr Peter Bryce of the Ontario Health Department was hired by the Indian Affairs Department in Ottawa to tour the Indian residential schools in western Canada and British Columbia and report on the health conditions there. Bryce's report so scandalised the government and the churches that it was officially buried and only surfaced in 1922 when Bryce - who was forced out of the civil service for the honesty of his report - wrote a book about it, entitled The Story of a National Crime (Ottawa, 1922).

In his report, Dr Bryce claimed that Indian children were being systematically and deliberately killed in the residential schools. He cited an average mortality rate of between 35% and 60%, and alleged that staff and church officials were regularly withholding or falsifying records and other evidence of children's deaths.

Further, Dr Bryce claimed that a primary means of killing native children was to deliberately expose them to communicable diseases such as tuberculosis and then deny them any medical care or treatment - a practice actually referred to by top Anglican Church leaders in the Globe and Mail on May 29, 1953.

In March 1998, two native eyewitnesses who attended west coast residential schools, William and Mabel Sport of Nanaimo, BC, confirmed Dr Bryce's allegation. Both of them claim to have been deliberately exposed to tuberculosis by staff at both a Catholic and a United Church residential school during the 1940s.

I was forced to sleep in the same bed with kids who were dying of tuberculosis. That was at the Catholic Christie residential school around 1942. They were trying to kill us off, and it nearly worked. They did the same thing at Protestant Indian schools, three kids to a bed, healthy ones with the dying. (Testimony of Mabel Sport to IHRAAM officers, Port Alberni, BC, March 31, 1998)

Reverend Pitts, the Alberni school principal, he forced me and eight other boys to eat this special food out of a different sort of can. It tasted really strange. And then all of us came down with tuberculosis. I was the only one to survive, 'cause my Dad broke into the school one night and got me out of there. All of the rest died from tuberculosis and they were never treated. Just left there to die. And their families were all told they had died of pneumonia. The plan was to kill us off in secret, you know. We all just began dying after eating that food. Two of my best friends were in that group that was poisoned. We were never allowed to speak of it or go into the basement, where other murders happened. It was a death sentence to be sent to the Alberni school. (Testimony of William Sport to IHRAAM officers, Port Alberni, BC, March 31, 1998)

Homicides

More overt killings of children were a common occurrence in residential schools, according to eyewitnesses. The latter have described children being beaten and starved to death, thrown from windows, strangled and being kicked or thrown down stairs to their deaths. Such killings occurred in at least eight residential schools in British Columbia alone, run by all three mainline denominations.

Bill Seward of Nanaimo, BC, age 78, states:

My sister Maggie was thrown from a three-storey window by a nun at the Kuper Island school, and she died. Everything was swept under the rug. No investigation was ever done. We couldn't hire a lawyer at the time, being Indians. So nothing was ever done. (Testimony of Bill Seward, Duncan, BC, August 13, 1998)

Diane Harris, Community Health Worker for the Chemainus Band Council on Vancouver Island, confirms accounts of the murders.

We always hear stories of all the kids who were killed at Kuper Island. A graveyard for the babies of the priests and girls was right south of the school until it was dug up by the priests when the school closed in 1973. The nuns would abort babies and sometimes end up killing the mothers. There were a lot of disappearances. My mother, who is 83 now, saw a priest drag a girl down a flight of stairs by her hair and the girl died as a result. Girls were raped and killed, and buried under the floorboards. We asked the local RCMP to exhume that place and search for remains but they've always refused, as recently as 1996. Corporal Sampson even threatened us. That kind of cover-up is the norm. Children were put together with kids sick with TB in the infirmary. That was standard procedure. We've documented thirty-five outright murders in a seven-year period. (Testimony of Diane Harris to the IHRAAM Tribunal, June 13, 1998)

Evidence exists that active collusion from police, hospital officials, coroners, Indian Agents and even native leaders helped to conceal such murders. Local hospitals, particularly tuberculosis sanatoriums connected to the United and Roman Catholic churches, served as "dumping grounds" for children's bodies and routinely provided false death certificates for murdered students.

In the case of the United Church's Alberni residential school, students who discovered dead bodies of other children faced serious retribution. One such witness, Harry Wilson of Bella Bella, BC, claims that he was expelled from the school, then hospitalised and drugged against his will, after finding the body of a dead girl in May 1967.

Sadly, the two-tiered system of collaborators and victims created among native students at the schools continues to the present, as some of the state-funded band council officials - themselves former collaborators - appear to have an interest in helping to suppress evidence and silence witnesses who would incriminate not only the murderers but themselves as agents of the white administration.

A majority of the witnesses who have shared their story with the authors and at public tribunals on the west coast have described either seeing a murder or discovering a body at the residential school he or she attended. The body count, even according to the government's own figures, was enormously high. Where, then, are all these bodies? The deaths of thousands of students are not recorded in any of the school records, Indian Affairs files or other documentation submitted thus far in court cases or academic publications on the residential schools. Some 50,000 corpses have literally and officially gone missing.

The residential school system had to hide not only the evidence of murder but the bodies as well. The presence of secret gravesites of children killed at Catholic and Protestant schools in Sardis, Port Alberni, Kuper Island and Alert Bay has been attested to by numerous witnesses. These secret burial yards also contained the aborted foetuses and even small babies who were the offspring of priests and staff at the schools, according to the same witnesses. One of them, Ethel Wilson of Bella Bella, claims to have seen "rows and rows of tiny skeletons" in the foundations of the former Anglican residential school of St Michael's in Alert Bay when a new school was built there in the 1960s.
There were several rows of them, all lined up neatly like it was a big cemetery. The skeletons had been found within one of the old walls of St Mike's school. None of them could have been very old, from their size. Now why would so many kids have been buried like that inside a wall, unless someone was trying to hide something? (Testimony of Ethel Wilson to Kevin Annett, Vancouver, BC, August 8, 1998)

Arnold Sylvester, who, like Dennis Charlie, attended Kuper Island school between 1939 and 1945, corroborates this account.

The priests dug up the secret gravesite in a real hurry around 1972 when the school closed. No one was allowed to watch them dig up those remains. I think it's because that was a specially secret graveyard where the bodies of the pregnant girls were buried. Some of the girls who got pregnant from the priests were actually killed because they threatened to talk. They were sometimes shipped out and sometimes just disappeared. We weren't allowed to talk about this. (Testimony of Arnold Sylvester to Kevin Annett, Duncan, BC, August 13, 1998)

Local hospitals were also used as a dumping ground for children's bodies, as in the case of the Edmonds boy and his "processing" at St Paul's Hospital after his murder at the Catholic school in North Vancouver. Certain hospitals, however, seem to have been particularly favourite spots for storing corpses.

The Nanaimo Tuberculosis Hospital (called The Indian Hospital) was one such facility. Under the guise of tuberculosis treatment, generations of native children and adults were subjected to medical experiments and sexual sterilisations at the Nanaimo Hospital, according to women who experienced these tortures (see Article IId). But the facility was also a cold storage area for native corpses.

The West Coast General Hospital in Port Alberni not only stored children's bodies from the local United Church residential school; it was also the place where abortions were performed on native girls who were made pregnant at the school by staff and clergy, and where newborn babies were disposed of and possibly killed, according to witnesses like Amy Tallio, who attended the Alberni school during the early 1950s.

Irene Starr of the Hesquait Nation, who attended the Alberni school between 1952 and 1961, confirms this.

Many girls got pregnant at the Alberni school. The fathers were the staff, teachers, the ones who raped them. We never knew what happened to the babies, but they were always disappearing. The pregnant girls were taken to the Alberni hospital and then came back without their babies. Always. The staff killed those babies to cover their tracks. They were paid by the church and government to be rapists and murderers. (Testimony of Irene Starr to Kevin Annett, Vancouver, BC, August 23, 1998)

Article II (b): Causing serious bodily or mental harm

Early in the residential schools era, the Indian Affairs Superintendent, Duncan Campbell Scott, outlined the purpose of the schools thus: "to kill the Indian within the Indian".

Clearly, the genocidal assault on aboriginals was not only physical but spiritual: European culture wished to own the minds and the souls of the native nations, to turn the Indians it hadn't killed into third-class replicas of white people.

Expressing the "virtues" of genocide, Alfred Caldwell, principal of the United Church school in Ahousat on Vancouver Island's west coast, wrote in 1938:

The problem with the Indians is one of morality and religion. They lack the basic fundamentals of civilised thought and spirit, which explains their child-like nature and behaviour. At our school we strive to turn them into mature Christians who will learn how to behave in the world and surrender their barbaric way of life and their treaty rights which keep them trapped on their land and in a primitive existence. Only then will the Indian problem in our country be solved. (Rev. A. E. Caldwell to Indian Agent P. D. Ashbridge, Ahousat, BC, Nov 12, 1938)

The fact that this same principal is named by eyewitnesses as the murderer of at least two children - one of them in the same month that he wrote this letter - is no accident, for cultural genocide spills effortlessly over into killing, as the Nazis proved so visibly to the world.

Nevertheless, Caldwell's letter illuminates two vital points for the purpose of this discussion of mental and bodily harm inflicted on native students: (a) the residential schools were a vast project in mind control, and (b) the underlying aim of this "re-programming" of native children was to force aboriginals off their ancestral lands in order to allow whites access to them.

To quote Alberni survivor Harriett Nahanee:

They were always pitting us against each other, getting us to fight and molest one another. It was all designed to split us up and brainwash us so that we would forget that we were Keepers of the Land. The Creator gave our people the job of protecting the land, the fish, the forests. That was our purpose for being alive. But the whites wanted it all, and the residential schools were the way they got it. And it worked. We've forgotten our sacred task, and now the whites have most of the land and have taken all the fish and the trees. Most of us are in poverty, addictions, family violence. And it all started in the schools, where we were brainwashed to hate our own culture and to hate ourselves so that we would lose everything. That's why I say that the genocide is still going on. (Testimony of Harriett Nahanee to Kevin Annett, North Vancouver, BC, December 11, 1995)

It was only after the assumption of guardianship powers by the west coast school principals, between 1933 and 1941, that the first evidence of organised pedophile networks in those residential schools emerges. For such a regime was legally and morally free to do whatever it wanted to its captive native students.

The residential schools became a safe haven - one survivor calls it a "free fire zone" - for pedophiles, murderers and brutal doctors needing live test subjects for drug testing or genetic and cancer research.

Particular schools, such as the Catholic one at Kuper Island and the United Church's Alberni school, became special centres where extermination techniques were practised with impunity on native children from all over the province, alongside the usual routine of beatings, rapes and farming out of children to influential pedophiles.

Much of the overt mental and bodily harm done to native students was designed to break down traditional tribal loyalties along kinship lines by pitting children against each other and cutting them off from their natural bonds. Boys and girls were strictly segregated in separate dormitories and could never meet.

One survivor describes never seeing her little brother for years, even though he was in the same building at the Alert Bay Anglican school. And when children at the schools broke into each other's dormitories and older boys and girls were caught exchanging intimacies, the most severe punishments were universally applied. According to a female survivor who attended the Alberni school in 1959:

They used the gauntlet on a boy and girl who were caught together kissing. The two of them had to crawl naked down a line of other students, and we beat them with sticks and whips provided by the principal. The girl was beaten so badly she died from kidney failure. That gave us all a good lesson: if you tried having normal feelings for someone, you'd get killed for it. So we quickly learned never to love or trust anyone, just do what we were told to do. (Testimony of anonymous woman from the Pacheedat Nation, Port Renfrew, BC, October 12, 1996)

According to Harriett Nahanee:

The residential schools created two kinds of Indians: slaves and sell-outs. And the sellouts are still in charge. The rest of us do what we're told. The band council chiefs have been telling everyone on our reserve not to talk to the Tribunal and have been threatening to cut our benefits if we do. (Harriett Nahanee to Kevin Annett, June 12, 1998)

The nature of that system of torture was not haphazard. For example, the regular use of electric shocks on children who spoke their language or were "disobedient" was a widespread phenomenon in residential schools of every denomination across Canada. This was not a random but an institutionalised device.

Specially constructed torture chambers with permanent electric chairs, often operated by medical personnel, existed at the Alberni and Kuper Island schools in British Columbia, at the Spanish Catholic school in Ontario, and in isolated hospital facilities run by the churches and Department of Indian Affairs in northern Quebec, Vancouver Island and rural Alberta, according to eyewitnesses.

Mary Anne Nakogee-Davis of Thunder Bay, Ontario, was tortured in an electric chair by nuns at the Catholic Spanish residential school in 1963 when she was eight years old. She states:

The nuns used it as a weapon. It was done on me on more than one occasion. They would strap your arms to the metal arm rests, and it would jolt you and go through your system. I don't know what I did that was bad enough to have that done to me. (From The London Free Press, London, Ontario, October 22, 1996)

Such torture also occurred at facilities operated by the churches with Department of Indian Affairs money, similar to the sterilisation programs identified at the W. R. Large Memorial Hospital in Bella Bella and the Nanaimo Indian Hospital.

Frank Martin, a Carrier native from northern BC, describes his forcible confinement and use in experiments at the Brannen Lake Reform School near Nanaimo in 1963 and 1964:

I was kidnapped from my village when I was nine and sent off to the Brannen Lake school in Nanaimo. A local doctor gave me a shot and I woke up in a small cell, maybe ten feet by twelve. I was kept in there like an animal for fourteen months. They brought me out every morning and gave me electric shocks to my head until I passed out. Then in the afternoon I'd go for these X-rays and they'd expose me to them for minutes on end. They never told me why they were doing it. But I got lung cancer when I was eighteen and I've never smoked. (Videotaped testimony of Frank Martin to Eva Lyman and Kevin Annett, Vancouver, July 16, 1998)

Such quack experimentation combined with brutal sadism characterised these publicly funded facilities, especially the notorious Nanaimo Indian Hospital. David Martin of Powell River, BC, was taken to this hospital in 1958 at the age of five and used in experiments attested to by Joan Morris, Harry Wilson and other witnesses quoted in this report. According to David:

I was told I had tuberculosis, but I was completely healthy; no symptoms of TB at all. So they sent me to Nanaimo Indian Hospital and strapped me down in a bed there for more than six months. The doctors gave me shots every day that made me feel really sick, and made my skin all red and itchy. I heard the screams of other Indian kids who were locked away in isolation rooms. We were never allowed in there to see them. Nobody ever told me what they were doing to all of us in there. (David Martin to Kevin Annett, Vancouver, November 12, 2000)

A recurring and regular torture at the residential schools themselves was operating on children's teeth without using any form of anaesthesia or painkiller. Two separate victims of this torture at the Alberni school describe being subjected to it by different dentists, decades apart. Harriett Nahanee was brutalised in that manner in 1946, while Dennis Tallio was "worked on by a sick old guy who never gave me painkillers" at the same school in 1965.

Dr Josef Mengele is reputed by survivors of his experiments to have worked out of Cornell University in New York, Bristol Labs in Syracuse, New York, and Upjohn Corporation and Bayer laboratories in Ontario. Mengele and his Canadian researchers, like the notorious Montreal psychiatrist Ewen Cameron, used prisoners, mental patients and native children from reserves and residential schools in their efforts to erase and reshape human memory and personality, using drugs, electric shocks and trauma-inducing methods identical to those employed for years in the residential schools.

Former employees of the federal government have confirmed that the use of "inmates" of residential schools was authorised for government-run medical experiments through a joint agreement with the churches which ran the schools.

According to a former Indian Affairs official:

A sort of gentlemen's agreement was in place for many years: the churches provided the kids from their residential schools to us, and we got the Mounties to deliver them to whoever needed a fresh batch of test subjects: usually doctors, sometimes Department of Defense people. The Catholics did it big time in Quebec when they transferred kids wholesale from orphanages into mental asylums. It was for the same purpose: experimentation. There was lots of grant money in those days to be had from the military and intelligence sectors: all you had to do was provide the bodies. The church officials were more than happy to comply. It wasn't just the residential school principals who were getting kickbacks from this: everyone was profiting. That's why it's gone on for so long. It implicates a hell of a lot of top people. (From the Closed Files of the IHRAAM Tribunal, containing the statements of confidential sources, June 12-14, 1998)

Such experiments and the sheer brutality of the harm regularly inflicted on children in the schools attest to the institutional view of aboriginals as "expendable" and "diseased" beings. Scores of survivors of 10 different residential schools in BC and Ontario have described under oath the following tortures inflicted on them and other children as young as five years old between the years 1922 and 1984:

* tightening fish twine and wire around boys' penises;
* sticking needles into their hands, cheeks, tongues, ears and penises;
* holding them over open graves and threatening to bury them alive;
* forcing them to eat maggot-filled and regurgitated food;
* telling them their parents were dead and that they were about to be killed;
* stripping them naked in front of the assembled school and verbally and sexually degrading them;
* forcing them to stand upright for more than 12 hours at a time until they collapsed;
* immersing them in ice water;
* forcing them to sleep outside in winter;
* ripping the hair from their heads;
* repeatedly smashing their heads against concrete or wooden surfaces;
* daily beating without warning, using whips, sticks, horse harnesses, studded metal straps, pool cues and iron pipes;
* extracting gold teeth from their mouths without painkillers;
* confining them in unventilated closets without food or water for days;
* regularly applying electric shocks to their heads, genitals and limbs.

Perhaps the clearest summary of the nature and purpose of such sadism are the words of Bill Seward of Nanaimo, a survivor of the Kuper Island school:

The church people were worshipping the devil, not us. They wanted the gold, the coal, the land we occupied. So they terrorised us into giving it to them. How does a man who was raped every day when he was seven make anything out of his life? The residential schools were set up to destroy our lives, and they succeeded. The whites were terrorists, pure and simple. (Testimony of Bill Seward to Kevin Annett and IHRAAM observers, Duncan, BC, August 13, 1998)

real6

15-10-2008, 11:25 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6637396204037343133

I've watched the first 20 minutes and I've got tears in my eyes! This is horrific and unbelieveable!:mad::(

THis is insane. I never heard of this till right now!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6637396204037343133&hl=en

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“The horror of the genocide in Canada’s Indian Residential Schools became public, as the locations of 28 mass graves of Indian children were revealed.

An unknown number of Indian children died in captivity at Indian Residential Schools in Canada.

The murders included children killed in electric chairs. Some of the bodies were incinerated in the school furnaces, while others were buried in mass graves.

Eyewitness Sylvester Greene described how he helped bury a young Inuit boy at the United Church’s Edmonton residential school in 1953.

“We were told never to tell anyone by Jim Ludford, the Principal, who got me and three other boys to bury him. But a lot more kids got buried all the time in that big grave next to the school.”

The location of mass graves of residential school children was revealed by the Independent Tribunal Established Squamish Nation Territory (”Vancouver, Canada”) on April 10.”

r3sonator

15-10-2008, 11:31 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6637396204037343133

I've watched the first 20 minutes and I've got tears in my eyes! This is horrific and unbelieveable!:mad::(

Thank you for the info

hagbard_celine

16-10-2008, 11:05 PM

jesta_g

16-10-2008, 11:33 PM

I've watched the first hour and that's all I can take. It's too heartbreaking!:mad::( Is their any depravity we will not sink to to destroy cultures that don't fit into Western European Christian Rationalist normaility!? It seems not. It's not just in olden times either. These "schools" were in opoeration until frighteningly recently.

Revd Kevin Annett deserves the Nobel Prize for exposing this horror!

I'll watch the rest of the film another day.

ive yet to watch this, and from from your reaction Hagbard im not to sure if i can.I can barely handle watching animal cruelty films let alone human:o.

i dont really know what it is about tho, could someone give a quick description:confused:. i will indeed watch it tho lol im not to keen just now to be feeling down. thanks for sharing this info tho.

hagbard_celine

16-10-2008, 11:46 PM

ive yet to watch this, and from from your reaction Hagbard im not to sure if i can.I can barely handle watching animal cruelty films let alone human:o.

i dont really know what it is about tho, could someone give a quick description:confused:. i will indeed watch it tho lol im not to keen just now to be feeling down. thanks for sharing this info tho.

It's about a scandal in a group of church-run boarding schools for Indian children in Canada. The children were taken from thier parents when enrolled in the school. Then they were converted from their native culture and religion and forbidden to practice it, abused, beaten and even murdered by violence and being deliberately infected with smallpox and TB. These schools began over 100 years ago but were still going in the 60's!:mad::eek: It upsets me to think about it! Luckily a brave and compassioante village priest is now taking on the authorities to expose this monsterous Holocaust.

jesta_g

16-10-2008, 11:59 PM

It's about a scandal in a group of church-run boarding schools for Indian children in Canada. The children were taken from thier parents when enrolled in the school. Then they were converted from their native culture and religion and forbidden to practice it, abused, beaten and even murdered by violence and being deliberately infected with smallpox and TB. These schools began over 100 years ago but were still going in the 60's!:mad::eek: It upsets me to think about it! Luckily a brave and compassioante village priest is now taking on the authorities to expose this monsterous Holocaust.

thanks.

thats awful :( Its times like these that i wish that religion never existed in the first place (to be honest i think that all the time).

I hope the sick people that did and allowed this to happen are completely exposed but most importantly these children find their way to happiness again.

Is there any info about the Priest who is exposing them?
could you keep us posted on how the exposure unfolds?

most importantly, above all i really hope these children (many i will presume are adults by now) have found harmony and love in their lives.

oiram

17-10-2008, 07:58 AM

Residential School Genocide: Why "Apology" Isn't Enough(This article was submitted to 10 Canadian newspapers. Not one published or even acknowledged receiving it.)

by Rev. Kevin Annett

Rend your hearts, and not your garments
Joel 2:17

Imagine for a moment that your own child goes missing and never comes home. Years pass, and one day, the person responsible for your child's death is identified, but he evades arrest and imprisonment simply by issuing to you an "apology" for your loss. He even speaks of seeking "reconciliation" with you.

How would you feel?

Hold on to that feeling, and now multiply your loss by many thousands of children, and make the guilty person the government and churches of Canada. Do so, and you will have arrived in a human way at the Indian Residential Schools atrocity.

One of my former parishioners put it another way:

"What we did to those native children was an abomination, and abominations aren't resolved with words and money. We need to have our hearts torn in two and be changed. We've got to stand, ourselves, under the judgment of God."

I doubt that Stephen Harper would be satisfied with an apology if his own kids were hauled off and killed for being practicing Christians. Yet on June 11, he will stand up on our behalf and try to apologize to other nations for having exterminated their children.

The whole effort seems more than ludicrous, or obscene. One cannot, after all, apologize to the dead. But the truth is, the government's planned "apology" to native people is an enormous exercise in deception - primarily self-deception.

Do we even know the meaning of that easily uttered term, "apologize"?

It actually has a double meaning, according to the internet Dictionary: a) "an acknowledgment of regret for a fault or offense" and b) "a formal justification, defense or excuse for one's actions".

That is, in our vernacular understanding of the term, an "apology" can be a genuine regret for one's acts; but it can equally be a way to evade responsibility for one's acts, by justifying oneself before one's victim.

The legal understanding of the word, however, is more specific, and has nothing to do with regret: "apology" is defined simply as "a disclaimer of intentional error or offense".
http://www.henrymakow.com/residential_schools_atrocity_w.html

pinkfreud

17-10-2008, 08:01 AM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6637396204037343133

I've watched the first 20 minutes and I've got tears in my eyes! This is horrific and unbelieveable!:mad::(

umm thatz the same stuff i posted on my thread yesterday.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39246

saw it first on jeff rense's site... n im sure this has happened to the indians in the u.s. too.. in fact, to native people world over.

hagbard_celine

19-10-2008, 05:13 PM

thanks.

thats awful :( Its times like these that i wish that religion never existed in the first place (to be honest i think that all the time).

I hope the sick people that did and allowed this to happen are completely exposed but most importantly these children find their way to happiness again.

Is there any info about the Priest who is exposing them?
could you keep us posted on how the exposure unfolds?

most importantly, above all i really hope these children (many i will presume are adults by now) have found harmony and love in their lives.

A lot of them are interviewed in the film and although they are deeply hurt by their experiences they're working with Annett to get justice from the Canadian government and chruches. They're adult now, even elderly, but they shed tears in their interview. Threy'll never be able to forget what happened to them, but they have the comfort of knowing that the truth is coming out. I wish them all the best.

hagbard_celine

19-10-2008, 05:15 PM

umm thatz the same stuff i posted on my thread yesterday.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39246

saw it first on jeff rense's site... n im sure this has happened to the indians in the u.s. too.. in fact, to native people world over.

Oh yes. It's the world's worst genocide. 90% of the Indians have been killed since Cortes and Pisarro began the evil cull in the 15th Century.

hagbard_celine

19-10-2008, 05:17 PM

Residential School Genocide: Why "Apology" Isn't Enough

Yes, there's no words or action the authorities can say or take to amend for what has been done. The road to peace will be long and hard for both sides.:(

_jay_

20-10-2008, 04:34 AM

What is the number one message all religions preach? Love; they sure have a strange way of showing it.

I shake my head in despair and disbelief.

seeker1111

20-10-2008, 05:26 AM

Here's an amazing Native American woman I had the privilege to meet personally when I was young. Unfortunately she died in 2004. Her name was Mary John. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoney_Creek_Woman)

http://vanderhoof.bclibrary.ca/site-files/Mary%20John%20Sr.jpg/image_mini

Since proof is something that we're always looking for in regards to the sorts of claims stated in the OPs post, here is a book about Mary John titled Stoney Creek Woman, written by Bridget Moran. You can read the book for free here. (http://books.google.ca/books?id=-1aDGBsyekIC&dq=stoney+creek+woman&pg=PP1&ots=08TfA8-DQl&source=bn&sig=dhToL_tYS0HmWZ3PTyUyYbIrPa8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA15,M1)

The captivating story of Mary John, a pioneering Carrier Native whose life on the Stoney Creek reserve in central BC is a capsule history of First Nations life from a unique woman's perspective. A mother of twelve, Mary endured much tragedy and heartbreak the pangs of racism, poverty, and the deaths of six children but has survived with extraordinary grace and courage. She continues to be a positive role model. In 1997 she received the Order of Canada. This edition of Stoney Creek Woman, one of Arsenal's all-time bestsellers, includes a new preface by author Bridget Moran, and new photographs.

chaozine

20-10-2008, 11:54 AM

This makes me sad and disappointed. I think they were trying to suppress and destroy the native indians knowledge. These kind of things make me ashamed of my skin color.

el scampio

20-10-2008, 02:24 PM

I have just finished watching it. I somehow managed to watch all of the film.

I am truly truly lost for words.

hagbard_celine

20-10-2008, 04:40 PM

What is the number one message all religions preach? Love; they sure have a strange way of showing it.

I shake my head in despair and disbelief.

Yes, except with exceptions like Kevin Annett!:cool: You know, if he was my local vicar I'd go to bloody church every Sunday!:D

hagbard_celine

20-10-2008, 04:45 PM

Here's an amazing Native American woman I had the privilege to meet personally when I was young. Unfortunately she died in 2004. Her name was Mary John. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoney_Creek_Woman)

http://vanderhoof.bclibrary.ca/site-files/Mary%20John%20Sr.jpg/image_mini

Since proof is something that we're always looking for in regards to the sorts of claims stated in the OPs post, here is a book about Mary John titled Stoney Creek Woman, written by Bridget Moran. You can read the book for free here. (http://books.google.ca/books?id=-1aDGBsyekIC&dq=stoney+creek+woman&pg=PP1&ots=08TfA8-DQl&source=bn&sig=dhToL_tYS0HmWZ3PTyUyYbIrPa8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA15,M1)

She sounds an amazing lady! Thanks for sharing that:). Really it is a miracle that any of the minoirity cultures of the world have survived to the present day, what with everything we've had to put up with. It's because of dedicated human preservationists like this lady that we do, along with pioneers of the "Western Conscience" like Bartolome de las Casas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolomeo_de_Las_Casas). It's real evidence of the divinity of the human spirit!:cool:

hagbard_celine

20-10-2008, 04:47 PM

This makes me sad and disappointed. I think they were trying to suppress and destroy the native indians knowledge. These kind of things make me ashamed of my skin color.

It's very demoralizing isn't it? The one thing that keeps me from despairm is that so much has been done, especially in recent years, to counter this kind of cruelty. It indicates that there is a divine spark to the human spirit that is becoming stronger.

hagbard_celine

20-10-2008, 04:48 PM

I have just finished watching it. I somehow managed to watch all of the film.

I am truly truly lost for words.

I know exactly what you mean:(

hagbard_celine

20-10-2008, 08:23 PM

cleft_asunder

20-10-2008, 09:28 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6637396204037343133

I've watched the first 20 minutes and I've got tears in my eyes! This is horrific and unbelieveable!:mad::(

Kevin Anett is such a fantastic guy, I really love him. Did you read his article that appeared on savethemales regarding the evil medicine man that put a curse on him?

cleft_asunder

20-10-2008, 09:45 PM

I've finally manged to finish the film. What Annett says at the end is very thought-provoking. The Natives of Canada call white people "The ghost men" because we're empty inside. We've lost our souls!:( All the atrocities that have been perpatrated on the Natives of the Americas were perpetrated on ourselves in our history: persecution, torture, witchhunts, burnings at the stake, millions killed by violence and disease. We've lost our own soul and that's how we can bring ourselves to do such terrible things. Having no soul of our own makes us want to destroy it in those who still have one. But Annett is right in saying that by trying to undo him they're undoing themselves! He's still there... but they've lost all their credibitity and any of the meagre moral ground they might once have claimed!

The very fact that people are out to redress this injustice gives me hope. Maybe one day we will find our lost souls again:).

Nice post. As for white people, I'm white myself, just so you know, but I'm "red" inside. ;) I know very well how they are. They really scare me a lot of the time. They have no concept for even the basic laws of the universe, and are obviously non-spiritual. For example, a white person doesn't understand that you can't steel things without consequence. If you steel 1,000 dollars, you aren't 1,000 dollars ahead because eventually you will lose something in return. Another example is that they have little morality or the desire to do good things. They expect payment for something they do.

Do you believe the Natives literally mean they have no souls? Because this is something that I feel is difficult for me not to accept. That is to say, I'm no longer convinced that white people (and others!) act the way they do just out of ignorance.

pduffy4

20-10-2008, 10:34 PM

real6

20-10-2008, 11:14 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_American_indigenous_peoples

It is thought that up to 100 million indigenous people may have lived in the Americas when the 1492 voyage of Christopher Columbus began a historical period of large-scale European interaction with the Americas. European contact with what they called the "New World" led to the European colonization of the Americas, with millions of emigrants (willing and unwilling) from the "Old World" eventually resettling in the Americas. While the population of Old World peoples in the Americas steadily grew in the centuries after Columbus, the population of the American indigenous peoples plummeted. The extent and causes of this population decline have long been the subject of controversy and debate. The 500th anniversary in 1992 of Columbus's famous voyage drew renewed attention to claims that indigenous peoples of the Americas had been the victims of ethnocides (the destruction of a culture).

real6

20-10-2008, 11:17 PM

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm

The Annihilation of the Native Americans

The number of Indians who died at the hands of the European invaders is highly debatable, and it basically centers on two questions:

1. How many people lived in America before the population plummeted?
2. How many of the deaths during the plummeting can be blamed on human cruelty?

Pre-Columbian Population:

Pick a number, any number.

Sometimes it seems that this is the way historians decide how many Indians lived in the Americas before the European Contact. As The New York Public Library American History Desk Reference puts it, "Estimates of the Native American population of the Americas, all completely unscientific, range from 15 to 60 million." And even this cynical assessment is wrong. The estimates range from 8 to 145 million.

If you want to study the question of pre-Columbian population and its subsequent decline in detail, two good books to start with are David Henige, Numbers From Nowhere (1998) and Russell Thornton, American Indian Holocaust and Survival (1987).

Population of the Western Hemisphere in 1492 according to various experts:

The problem, of course, is that by the time that the Europeans got around to counting the Indians, there were a lot fewer to count

I've graphed the estimates chronlogically to show that the passage of time and the gathering of more information is still not leading toward a consensus. Over the past 75 years, estimates have bounced around wildly and ended up right back where they started -- around 40 million.

I've also graphed the population of Europe in 1500 because this is magic number to which many of the estimates aspire. Native American history is traditionally treated as marginal -- a handful of primitive kingdoms that were easily overwhelmed by the most dynamic civilization on Earth -- but if it could somehow be proven that the Americas had even more people than Europe, then history would be turned upside down. The European conquest could be treated as the tail wagging the dog, like the Barbarian invasions of Rome, a small fringe of savages decending on the civilized world, wiping out or enslaving the bulk of humanity.

The advocates of large numbers, however, are often their own worst enemies. On page 33 of American Holocaust, David Stannard declares, "[P]robably about 25,000,000 people, or about seven times the number living in all of England, were residing in and around the great Valley of Mexico at the time of Columbus's arrival in the New World".

Now, I've been to England, and I can vouch that the English have left their mark on the land. You can't throw a brick in England without hitting some relic of the earlier inhabitants -- castles, cathedrals, Roman walls and roads, Stonehenge, etc. -- not to mention books, tools, coins, weapons and all the little pieces of the past that turn up anytime someone plows a field or cleans their attic.

Now go back and read what Stannard has written. I'm sure that the point that he's trying to make is that since there were seven times as many Mexicans as English, truly the Mexicans were seven times more civilized than the English, so if anyone deserved to be called "savages", it's the English. Unfortunately, the point that nags at me is "If there were seven times as many people in Mexico, shouldn't there be seven times as many relics in Mexico?" Yes, I've read the archaeological reports that discuss irrigation systems, and I've seen the big, colorful picture books showing jungle-encrusted ruins of ancient pyramids, but the fact is that seven times the population of England should have left behind a lot more stuff than that.

I find the estimates for Virginia even more awkward because I live here. Stannard estimates the population of Powhatan's Confederation at 100,000, yet there's not a single site in the Virginia Tidewater that remotely hints at the complex infrastructure necessary to support even half this number. There's not one ruin of any permanent building. Artifacts of any kind are rare -- barely even a single burial mound worth pilfering. And it's not like there's some forgotten ghost town deep in the desert or jungle waiting to be discovered. This is Virginia. It's been settled, plowed and excavated for 400 years.

I also find it difficult to believe that the Europeans obliterated all traces of the earlier inhabitants. After all, I've been to Germany too. I've seen that bombed-out cities still have a substantial presence of the past, and I doubt that the conquistadores could be more destructive than a flock of B-17s. [n.3]

In any case, the median of all the estimates charted above is 40 million. It's the type of number that half the experts would consider impossibly big, and the other half would consider impossibly low, so it's probably exactly right.

And then, within a century of the European Contact, the hemispheric population plunged to a fairly well-proven residue of less than 10 million. How many of these deaths count as indictable atrocities?
The Death Toll:

In American Holocaust, Stannard estimates the total cost of the near-extermination of the American Indians as 100,000,000.

The problem here (aside from the question of whether there were even this many people in hemisphere at all) is that Stannard doesn't differentiate between death by massacre and death by disease. He blames the Europeans for bringing new diseases which spread like wildfire -- often faster than than the Europeans themselves -- and depopulated the continent. Since no one disputes the fact that most of the native deaths were caused by alien diseases to which they had never developed immunity, the simple question of categorization is vital.

Traditionally we add death by disease and famine into the total cost of wars and massacres (Anne Frank, after all, died of typhus, not Zyklon-B, but she's still a victim of the Holocaust) so I don't see any problem with doing the same with the American genocides, provided that the deaths occurred after their society had already been disrupted by direct European hostility. If a tribe was enslaved or driven off its lands, the associated increase in deaths by disease would definitely count toward the atrocity (The chain of events which reduced the Indian population of California from 85,000 in 1852 to 18,000 in 1890 certainly counts regardless of the exact agent of death, because by this time, the Indians were being hunted down from one end of California to another.); however, if a tribe was merely sneezed on by the wrong person at first contact, it should not count.

Consider the Powhatans of Virginia. As I mentioned earlier, Stannard cites estimates that the population was 100,000 before contact. In the same paragraph, he states that European depredations and disease had reduced this population to a mere 14,000 by the time the English settled Jamestown in 1607. Now, come on; should we really blame the English for 86,000 deaths that occured before they even arrived? Sure, he hints at pre-Jamestown "depredations", but he doesn't actually list any. As far as I can tell, the handful of European ventures into the Chesapeake region before 1607 were too small to do much depredating, and in what conflicts there were, the Europeans often got the worst of it. [see http://www.mariner.org/baylink/span.html and http://www.nps.gov/fora/roanokerev.htm and http://coastalguide.com/packet/lostcolony01.htm]

Think of it this way: if the Europeans had arrived with the most benign intentions and behaved like perfect guests, or for that matter, if Aztec sailors had been the ones to discover Europe instead of vice versa, then the Indians would still have been exposed to unfamiliar diseases and the population would still have been scythed by massive epidemics, but we'd just lump it into the same category as the Black Death, i.e. bad luck. (Curiously, the Black Death was brought to Europe by the Mongols. Should we blame them for it? And while we're tossing blame around willy-nilly, aren't the Native Americans responsible for introducing tobacco to the world -- and for the 90 million deaths which followed?)
Other Guesses:

* M. D. Aletheia, The Rationalist's Manual (1897): 30,000,000 Mexicans and Peruvians were slaughtered.
* David Barrett, World Christian Trends: Conquistadors killed 15M Amerindians
* Coe, Snow and Benson, Atlas of Ancient America (1986)
o Total pre-Columbian population: 40M
o Mexico: Original population of 11M to 25M ("lower figure commands more support") fell to 1.25M (1625)
o Peru: Pop. fell from 9M (1533) to >500,000 (early 17th C)
o Brazil: Original population of 2.5M to 5.0M ("recent commentators favoring the higher") fell to 1M
* Massimo Livi-Bacci, Concise History of World Population History 2d (1996)
o Mexico: Population fell from 6.3M (1548) to 1.9M (1580) to 1M (1605)
o Peru: Pop. fell from 1.3M (1572) to 600,000 (1620)
o Canada: from 300,000 (ca. 1600) to < 100,000 (ca. 1800)
o USA: from 5M (1500) to 60,000 (ca. 1800) [sic. Probably means 600,000 because he cites Thornton]
* R.J. Rummel estimates that 13,778,000 American Indians died of democide in the 16th through 19th Centuries:
o Total dead among native Americans in colonial era: 49.5M out of pre-contact population of 55M
+ Democides in this: 5M
o Democides among Indians, post-colonial era: 8,763,000
o Democides in US: 15,000
* Skidmore & Smith, Modern Latin America (1997)
o Mexico: Population fell from 25M (1519) to 16.8M (1523) to 1.9M (1580) to 1M (1605)
o Peru: from 1.3M (1570, forty years after Conquest) to <600,000 (1620)
* Stannard, American Holocaust (1992): 100,000,000 deaths across the hemisphere across time
o 16th Century death toll: between 60M and 80M
+ Panama, 1514-1530: 2M Indians killed
+ Mexico
# Central: Population fell from 25.0M (1519) to 1.3M (1595)
# SE: fell from 1,700,000 to 240,000
# North: fell from 2,500,000 to 320,000
+ Peru, 16th C.: between 8.5M and 13.5M people destroyed.
* Fredric Wertham, A Sign For Cain : An Exploration of Human Violence (1966): South American death toll of 15,000,000.

I can't confidently estimate the number of unnatural deaths (i.e. indictable killings, as a result of violence and oppression, both direct [war, murder, execution] and indirect [famine, avoidable disease]) among Amerindians across the centuries, but as a guess, I'd say 20 million, for no reasons other than it's half of the original 40M, and it seems to be near the median of the 4 previous estimates. (Rummel, Barrett, Althea, Stannard)

Not the most solid grounds, I'll grant you.
Specific Events:

* Caribbean
o Hispanola (1492-1550)
+ General native population decline
# Trager, People's Chronology: from 200-300,000 (1492) to 60,000 (1508) to 14,000 (1514) to <500 (1548)
# Wertham: plummmet from 1,000,000 to 14,000.
# Stannard: from 8M (1492) to 4M or 5M (1496) to less than 100,000 (1508) to less than 20,000 (1518) to extinction (1535)
o Jan Rogozinski, A Brief History of the Caribbean (1994): Assessments of the number of Indians throughout the Caribbean in 1492 range from 225,000 to 6M, half in Hispaniola. All gone within a few decades.
* Aztecs (1375-1419)
o Estimated Total of human sacrifices among Aztecs:
+ Michael Harner (1977): "In 1946 Sherburne Cook, a demographer specializing in American Indian populations, estimated an over-all annual mean of 15,000 victims in a central Mexican population reckoned at two million [i.e. 1.5M sacrificed per century]. Later, however, he and his colleague Woodrow Borah revised his estimate of the total central Mexican population upward to 25 million. Recently, Borah, possibly the leading authority on the demography of Mexico at the time of the conquest, has also revised the estimated number of persons sacrificed in central Mexico in the fifteenth century to 250,000 per year" [i.e. 25.0M per century] [http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/aztecs/sacrifice.htm]
+ William Prescott, History of the Conquest of Mexico (1843): "Scarcely any author pretends to estimate the yearly sacrifices throughout the empire at less than twenty thousand, and some carry the number as high as fifty!" [i.e. 2-5M per century] [http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/PreConq.html]
+ Wikipedia, as usual, takes the extreme viewpoint that there was hardly any sacrifice at all, maybe 300 to 600 annually, or 30,000-60,000 per century. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture (Aug. 2006)]
o Dedication of a temple of Huitzilopochtli in Tenochtitlan by Aztec king Ahuitzotl (1487)
+ PGtH: 80,000 human sacrifices
+ Mark Cocker, Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Gold (1998): 20,000
+ Harris, Cannibals and Kings (1977): 14,100 est. by Sherburne Cook
o Skull rack in Xocotlan: >100,000 skulls (Marvin Harris, Cannibals and Kings, citing Spanish eyewitness Bernal Diaz)
o Skull rack in Tenochtitlan held 136,000 skulls according to Spanish eyewitness Andres de Tapia
+ Harris, Cannibals and Kings, considers that this "could be dismissed as exaggerations were it not for ... methodically racked and hence easily counted rows"
+ Cocker, Rivers of Blood..., considers this an exageration: "double the true figure"
o Spanish Conquest of Tenochtitlan (1520): 100,000-200,000 Aztecs killed in battle. (PGtH)
* Misc.
o The Jivaro of EC & PE killed 25,000 Spaniards in 1599 (Cecil Adams [http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a980731.html])
o see also 19th C. USA and 20th C. Brazil

real6

20-10-2008, 11:21 PM

http://www.lcsc.edu/elmartin/historybehindthenews/Spring%202005/Delema.htm

Native American Genocide

Raina Delema

History behind the News

Spring 2005

Introduction

When people think of genocide, there are many different examples that may run though their heads. For example, right now there is an intensely watched genocidal issue in Sudan. Another important genocide which occurred was during World War II when Adolph Hitler wanted to exterminate everyone who was of the Jewish faith. This example may be the most prominent in history, but it may not have been the earliest. Many think that issues of genocide only occur in foreign countries, but it may have in fact occurred here within the United States.

When Europeans first came to the Americas, they thought that they were discovering new land. Instead they were greeted with a land which was already inhabited by people with their own way of life. What happened after that is described by some as an American Holocaust. A lot of death and destruction came to Native American tribes when the European explorers and settlers landed.

Columbus, 1492

Christopher Columbus landed in the Americas on October 12, 1942. He brought with him the hope of prosperity and an excitement of discovery of a new world. Little did the voyagers know, there was already a “world” which existed in that land. That sense of hope and discovery from one part of the world eventually led to the death and destruction of another.

Many Native Americans believe that when Columbus first landed in the Americas, it was the beginning of what is now referred to as the American Holocaust. Columbus brought with him greedy men which ultimately led to discrimination, diseases and the death of thousands of Native American people.

Columbus himself brought men who were looking for gold. They took the inhabitants and made them into slaves. In some accounts, the Natives were murdered, tortured and deprived of the necessities. This occurred throughout other voyages as well, as Columbus and his men went from island to island.

English Europeans

It wasn’t necessarily the Spanish that did all of the damage, it was what (or who) followed after that. When the English started to come to the Americas from Europe, they didn’t particularly care who was already living on the land and they certainly didn’t have any regards for the Native Americans way of life. Europeans looked at their discovery as a new way of starting over and they saw the land that they had complete rights to. The English wanted the land and they would literally take it form them without a second thought. Native Americans soon became a minority as settlers poured in from Europe and began to expand. Not only did they treat then poorly but many tried to kill them altogether.

When Europeans first settled in North America, one of the biggest problems for Native Americans was the diseases which they brought with them. Since they had never been exposed to these diseases as the Europeans had they extremely susceptible to catching them. The Natives immune system could not handle the change. An intense amount of Native Americans died to diseases such as the plague, influenza and smallpox. The toll it took one each tribe was immense. Most tribes lost anywhere from fifty to ninety percent of their people due to illnesses alone.

The Indian Removal Act of 1830 – Trail of Tears

Throughout decades of English immigrants and the formation of the United States, Native Americans were continually mistreated. They were looked at as “savages” and were made slaves. The English had no tolerance of them and many wanted them dead. This was mostly because they did not share religious beliefs and they did not share the same way of living. Natives were killed by attack after attack. Their crops were destroyed by settlers leaving them dying of starvation.

On May 28, 1830, Andrew Jackson enacted the Indian Removal Act as a means to “trade” land which lied on the eastern side of the Mississippi where the Native Americans resided. In return, the Native Americans would be given land which was designated for them west of the Mississippi. Within the treaty there were some important terms of conditions in which the President guaranteed these different nations.

Jackson promised the protection of tribes from all outside forces while they were o the newly designated land. The act also guaranteed “aid” for those who were moving and needed help in doing so. In one paragraph it was stated that the land which was traded was to always belong to the tribes, regardless if it was them or their successors living on it. (There was however one exception to this rule. It stated in the treaty that if the “Indians become extinct, or abandon the same” then “…such lands shall revert to the United States”).

With all of these promises and more from President Andrew Jackson, five different tribes decided to move to the other side of the Mississippi. Their destination was Oklahoma which was known as Indian Territory. This began the incredible (albeit deadly) move of over 70,000 Native Americans within the span of ten years. This trek is sadly known as the Trail of Tears.

The move from east to west proved to be more destructive to the tribes than it was helpful. What seemed to be a fair trade soon turned a terrible ordeal as many people died from the move. Native Americans died from exhaustion and starvation from the long journey. Over 3,000 Natives of the Cherokee tribe alone died on the Trail of Tears. This was not to mention all of those who died once they arrived in Oklahoma.

Western Expansion

As America was expanding, Native Americans were being pushed farther west and even up into Canada. With Manifest Destiny and the United States constantly taking shape, the English settlers were much greedier for land and grew less tolerant of the Natives standing in their way. There were numerous amounts of massacres and things were not getting better.

One example of a state and its extreme efforts to move the Native Americans out of the land was Texas. When Texas entered the union they had different policies regarding Native Americans than the United States had already outlined. Texans did not think they needed to trade land nor did they think that the Natives even had rights to the land to begin with. Because of this, Texans would invade land owned by Native Americans because they supposedly had no claims or rights to it.

In 1847, Texas granted “speculators” pieces of land. This land was already inhabited by Natives. When the new settlers had surveyors check out the land they found Native Americans who were none to happy about the situation.

Texans wanted the Native Americans out so the new settlers could help to expand the state. Texans continually went onto their lands and they continually killed many people. In 1859, after a system of reservations failed, Native Americans were finally forced out of Texas.

Another example on a Tribal level (rather than state) occurred in 1877 with the Nez Perce Tribe. Approximately 750 members of the Nez Perce tribe were forced to move to designated reservations under orders of General Howard. The Nez Perce fled to Montana where they thought that they would be safe from Howard. Once they were settled, Colonel John Gibbon took orders from Howard to carry on an attack on the tribe with the intention of wiping them out, not just relocating them. Gibbon issued a surprise attack which left numerous dead (a significant amount of those were warriors). The war ended in surrender with Chief Joseph’s now famous words “I will fight no more forever.” Upon surrendering the Nez Perce were forced to move to a reservation, which was what they had tried to avoid all along.

These are just a couple of examples which occurred out of a numerous amount. History books show many massacres and many wrongdoings toward the Native Americans before and after these occurrences.

Raphael Lemkin and “genocide”

The question is not whether they were treated inhumanly because that has already been established by history itself. The question is whether or not the treatment they received constitutes a form of genocide. In 1944, Raphael Lemkin introduced the term “genocide” and provided a set of definitions or guidelines for the word.

Lemkin defined genocide after the Holocaust of World War II. He described it to be the destruction of a “culture, language, national feelings, [and] religion.” According to prevent genocide.org, part of genocide is the “abolition of local laws and local courts.” Within the treaties and even in the Indian Civil Rights Act if 1968, Native Americans were given sovereignty whether or not this actually kept. There are many tribes today which still have tribal governments. Economically, Native Americans were targeted. There lands were taken from them and their crops were destroyed. They were endangered by the disease which were carried and sometimes administered among the Natives. Being forced out of their homelands on long trails such as the Trail of Tears led to deprivation of many things which caused the deaths of thousands.

Can the mistreatment of Native Americans constitute genocide? There are certainly many instances in which it could be considered genocide. The outspokenness of some men back in those times of war distinctly called for the extermination of Native Americans. There were many actions which were taken to “get rid” of them.

One also must look at the fact of whether or not the removal of Native Americans constitutes as a form of genocide if negative consequences occur along the way. The intended death and destruction of a people just because they are of a certain origin or ethnic background does fall under the definition of genocide. What the history of Native Americans gives us can be determined as a form of genocide. While we can not go back in time, we can learn from mistakes and learn tolerance from history. This can help us to realize that not only does this go on in other nations, it may also occur on America’s homeland.

BIBLIOGRAPHY

Bowman, Sally Jo. “From where the sun now stands.” National Parks. Jan/Feb 99.

Vol 73.

Connery, William S. “Fight No More Forever.” World & I. Aug 2002, Vol. 17.

http://www.historicaldocuments.com/indianremovalact.htm

http://www.preventgenocide.org/lemkin/AxisRule1944-1.htm

http://www.preventgenocide.org/lemkin/AxisRule1944-2.htm

http://www.rosecity.net/tears/trail/timeline.html

Katz, William Loren. “Columbus and the American Holocaust.” New York Amsterdam

News. Vol 94 Issue 41. 10/9/2003.

McDougall, Walter A. “Freedom Just Around the Corner.” Harper Collins: 2004

Norrell, Brenda. “ANALYSIS: American Indians see Columbus as the trigger man for a

Holocaust.” Indian Country Today (Rapid City, SD); 10/12/2004.

Trennert Jr, Robert A. “Alternative to Extinction.” Temple University Press.

Philadelphia: 1975.

LINKS

http://www.fs.fed.vs/npnht/index.shtml

http://www.library.yale.edu/rsc/natiive/internet.html

http://www.tribalcollegejournal.org/

Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968:

http://www.tribal-institute.org/lists/icra1968.htm

real6

20-10-2008, 11:24 PM

http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/aiholocaust.html

besides

21-10-2008, 01:57 AM

hagbard_celine

22-10-2008, 03:34 PM

Kevin Anett is such a fantastic guy, I really love him. Did you read his article that appeared on savethemales regarding the evil medicine man that put a curse on him?

If Kevin Annett was my local vicar I'D go to church every Sunday!:eek: Nobody else could get me to bloody church!:D

hagbard_celine

22-10-2008, 03:38 PM

Nice post. As for white people, I'm white myself, just so you know, but I'm "red" inside. ;) I know very well how they are. They really scare me a lot of the time. They have no concept for even the basic laws of the universe, and are obviously non-spiritual. For example, a white person doesn't understand that you can't steel things without consequence. If you steel 1,000 dollars, you aren't 1,000 dollars ahead because eventually you will lose something in return. Another example is that they have little morality or the desire to do good things. They expect payment for something they do.

Do you believe the Natives literally mean they have no souls? Because this is something that I feel is difficult for me not to accept. That is to say, I'm no longer convinced that white people (and others!) act the way they do just out of ignorance.

Thanks. Glad you like it.:)

I think Annett hits the nail on the head when he says we act like we do because we as a species are traumatized. We've endured the same genocide ourselves, hundreds of years earlier, that has poisoned and irradiated our mindss and cultures. This agenda has already wiped us out spiritually if not physically!:( They pick on the Indians and other tribal peoples because they still have a spirituality and the Illuminati want it stopped!

But I think there's a healing process taking place. The vbery fact that we, white people, are having this conversation, on this forum is sometyhing to give us a lot of hope. As is the fact films like Unrepentant are being made. Las Casas' time is come!:cool:

hagbard_celine

22-10-2008, 03:42 PM

I take it this is the "good" Catholic Church?:rolleyes:

I hate the stinking lies of the "Church"! They pretent to be so fecking Holy and they are actually a pile of putrid shite on heat! I hope they burn in their self made hell!

Have these scum in the "Church" never read about Near Death Experiences particularly when people get there life review? They experience everything they have done of significance from the exact point of view of the people they were interacting with. So murderers should experience the pain and fear of their victims. This is due to the nature of reality being a singularity. There is no escape!

I have watched the first 12 minutes so far. It is a horrific story but sadly one repeated all over the world.

It's a harrowing thing to watch and I'm afraid it gets worse. It's not light entertainment!:(

Yes NDE's are a bit of an inconvenience for the church because people all over the world, Christians and non-Christians, good and bad, experience them! This makes a joke out of the pathetic notion that you need to be baptized and saved by Christ to get to heaven!:D This is why the Church establishment stands side-by-side with science in condemnation of NDE's. It's what David calls "opposames".

hagbard_celine

22-10-2008, 03:44 PM

thanks hagbard, ... unbelievable? no, the emergent property of a viscious and unbalanced mindset. unfortunately for humanity the unwritten rule of many/most/all? empires is this:

"if we cant have your minds, we'll have your bodies"

consequently, i'm always on the lookout for empire builders, demonisers of other cultures etc.

warped, disgusting cumts!

imagine the programming .... they ultimately created a mindset in sections of ordinary people to do this.

sick. hell on earth.

be watchful.

besides.

It's like Kevin says at the end of the film. We're sick, we've lost our souls. I think we're like the children in The Golden Compass when thjey've had their daemons cut away from them.

Native people are actually trying to help us; this is what Graham Hancock says about the Shamans of the Amazon.:cool:

rokr17

22-10-2008, 06:02 PM

thank you for sharing this hagbard.

It is truly horrific and I feel such a sense of injustice.

it may be 50, 000 not six million, but these indigenous people deserve every bit of justice.

they deserve to have these horrific acts recognized as truth and then receive some serious apologies. And of course the bodies of their loved ones.

I have started to send this to my friends who live or have friends in Canada.

Hopefully, Kevin Annett can get more support.

besides

23-10-2008, 02:38 AM

It's like Kevin says at the end of the film. We're sick, we've lost our souls.

watcha hagbard,

please bear with me while i labour this point (its a small but imho important point and not directed personally at yourself or other posters by the way)
i can not, for the life of me, understand why he would say "WE 're sick" , or that "WE 've lost our souls."

surely it is THEY who are sick and THEY who have lost their souls.

(by THEY i mean those who were involved in the perpetration of the dispicable acts/campaign)

in fairness, generally speaking, when i hear a one giving this WE vibe -throwing shame on others willy nilly, and broadly, in this case, suggesting that random people unconnected with the case/theme have lost their souls - to my way of thinking - is not of their right (as in: best/fullest use) mind.

however, i understand that the person may be talking from e.g. emotional exhaustion, or have either an undeveloped/vestigial/uneducated/uncultured (not in the posh sense) ability to express themselves, some kind of shock due to the harrowing nature of the events and process of uncovering etc

i mean , i (or no one i know) didnt crash the markets ...

i (or no one i know) didnt do the holocaust

i (or no one i know) didnt shoot up some youth in eg london last week

i (or no one i know) didnt go to a bilderberger meeting

i (or no one i know) didnt beat up and rob an elderly person for their £20 quid

i (or no one i know) didnt drop chem weapons in war "xyz"

i (or no one i know) am not/isnt a bailiff

etc.

do you see what i'm getting at ... it wouldnt stand up, it would be a spiritual vampirism of the most rudimentary and rediculous.

Native people are actually trying to help us; this is what Graham Hancock says about the Shamans of the Amazon.:cool:

yes, i agree, i have a native Scottish friend who introduced me to a quote attributed to Calgacus:

“But there are no more nations beyond us; nothing is there but waves and rocks and the Romans, more deadly still than these—for in them is arrogance which no submission or good behavior can escape. Pillagers of the world, they have exhausted the land by their indiscriminate plunder, and now they ransack the sea. A rich enemy excites their cupidity; a poor one, their lust for power. East and West alike have failed to satisfy them. They are the only people on the earth to whose covetousness both riches and poverty are equally tempting. To robbery, butchery, and rapine, they give the lying name of ‘government’; they create a desolation and call it peace.”

besides.

steevo

23-10-2008, 02:48 AM

It's a harrowing thing to watch and I'm afraid it gets worse. It's not light entertainment!:(

I downloaded this movie a couple of weeks ago (from Google Video) and I'm afraid to watch it cos I'm afraid feeling that it will give me, the heartbreak that you mentioned HC.

I WILL watch it soon though because we have to know the details in order to be able to do something about it. If it had of been me who had died or one of my kids, I would be very upset if people didnt want to do something about it. We must always try to do what we feel is the right thing, and without fear.

hagbard_celine

23-10-2008, 03:27 PM

watcha hagbard,

please bear with me while i labour this point (its a small but imho important point and not directed personally at yourself or other posters by the way)
i can not, for the life of me, understand why he would say "WE 're sick" , or that "WE 've lost our souls."

surely it is THEY who are sick and THEY who have lost their souls.

(by THEY i mean those who were involved in the perpetration of the dispicable acts/campaign)

in fairness, generally speaking, when i hear a one giving this WE vibe -throwing shame on others willy nilly, and broadly, in this case, suggesting that random people unconnected with the case/theme have lost their souls - to my way of thinking - is not of their right (as in: best/fullest use) mind.

however, i understand that the person may be talking from e.g. emotional exhaustion, or have either an undeveloped/vestigial/uneducated/uncultured (not in the posh sense) ability to express themselves, some kind of shock due to the harrowing nature of the events and process of uncovering etc

i mean , i (or no one i know) didnt crash the markets ...

i (or no one i know) didnt do the holocaust

i (or no one i know) didnt shoot up some youth in eg london last week

i (or no one i know) didnt go to a bilderberger meeting

i (or no one i know) didnt beat up and rob an elderly person for their £20 quid

i (or no one i know) didnt drop chem weapons in war "xyz"

i (or no one i know) am not/isnt a bailiff

etc.

do you see what i'm getting at ... it wouldnt stand up, it would be a spiritual vampirism of the most rudimentary and rediculous.

Of course, as V says, there are some who are more to blame than others, but at the end of the day we're all in this together and we all have to admit our accountability. We may not have been directly responsible for doing al of the above, nor exterminating those kids in the schools in Canada, but we have all (most of us anyway, including myself) at some point in our lives colluded with the system that commits all the above atrocities you list. I work for Big Pharma for God's sake!:eek::o I can't cop out of that! Most of us pay taxes, most of us pay gas bills when if we made the effort we could install a Free Energy device in our homes and encourage others to do the same. We can blame the Illuminati, but the fact isa that the Illuminati are only there because we put them there!:(:eek:

I AM a white man who has lost his soul; I am a "ghost man". The difference between me and most others is that I've come to terms with what I am and am trying to remedy it. But I've only just started; if I succeed it is going to take my whole life. Until then I can't separate myself from the black marks of my society. That was my point; not to claim that everyone is equally responsible for the horrors of the Illuminati-occupied govt, only that we are all afflicted with the spiritual sickness that causes those horrors in the first place.

hagbard_celine

23-10-2008, 03:29 PM

I downloaded this movie a couple of weeks ago (from Google Video) and I'm afraid to watch it cos I'm afraid feeling that it will give me, the heartbreak that you mentioned HC.

I WILL watch it soon though because we have to know the details in order to be able to do something about it. If it had of been me who had died or one of my kids, I would be very upset if people didnt want to do something about it. We must always try to do what we feel is the right thing, and without fear.

I wish I could reassure you, Steevo, but I can't:(. It is heartbreaking and very disturbing; it's almost beyond belief in fact. But when you've watched it you may find a strange kind of peace and insight. The film ends with Kevin saying some incredibly observant and inspiring things.

hagbard_celine

24-10-2008, 05:26 PM

Kevin Annett is on Red Ice Creations Radio:cool::

He was the most recent guest! Here's his interview in the archives:):

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/10oct/RICR-081016.php

americana

28-10-2008, 08:49 PM

While I've never seen the video, I want to see what everyone thinks about what Annett is doing now . . .

Hope this is clear.

Okay, so I was looking at DONDAZ's super new YouTube channel, The Freeman Channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFreemanChannel

I saw some videos by a woman named Irene-Maus: Gravenhorst (TM), a Canadian who teaches classes in becoming and being a "Freeman".

She was very well-spoken and very much a lady. She would remind you of Audry Hepburn in the U.N. era. Quite the disarming package, with her pulled-back hair, earrings, and her perfect diction!

Anyway, I felt after seeing the videos by Gravenhorst (TM), that I was missing something. I wanted to know the resolution of her story about her home, which was in foreclosure . . . and to answer some questions and fill in some gaps.

So, I did a Yahoo search. Lots of the Yahoo sites simply reiterate the bare facts of the story or link to her vids without discussing anything.

Then in my Yahoo search for Ms. Gravenhorst (TM) I found this site for a radio show, Between Two Worlds, hosted by Derrick Whiteskycloud. http://www.bbsradio.com/between2worlds/between_two_worlds.php

On that website, Ms. G is mentioned, as she was interviewed on the Radio Show.
October 21, 2008

Tonight we are talking to the Irene Maus-Gravenhorst of the Squamish, Kanata, Turtle Island Nation. We will be talking live on site in a meeting on the protection of a 10,000 yr old burial ground...that has been destined to be dug up by the Canadian provincial government for an industrial site. Irene, the Chiefs & others are trying to protect the site in Mission BC. (The Urban Sprawl).There's even more to this program as we keep you updated.

Hmmm! I thought . . . I didn't realize that Irene Maus-Gravenhorst (TM) was a Native American! I was under the impression that she was born in Europe . . . and emigrated to Canada.

So, I wondered to myself if she had found the cure for her foreclosure troubles and her tax situation, etc., in becoming a member of a tribe.

Curious, I looked up the Squamish.

I came across this site for the Federation of Sovereign Nations:
http://www.jointhefederation.org/
(http://www.jointhefederation.org/)

I discovered that Irene-Maus: Gravenhorst (TM) is now calling herself Irene-Peace: Kiapilano, and that she is married to Chief Kiapilano of the Squamish Nation (some say he is, others say he is a man named Gerald Johnston and is NOT recognized by the Squamish as their chief and has no authority to do evictions, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms)

Now, this is where Kevin Annett comes in . . .

He has joined with "Royal Hereditary Chief Kiapilano (TM) " of the Squamish (TM) Nation Lands in attempting to EVICT United, Anglican and Catholic churches that are on Squamish Nation Lands. Here is the eviction notice that was placed on church doors last spring:

http://www.jointhefederation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/evictionmar08.pdf

Here is a press release about the attempted evictions:

Invitation to a National Peaceful Gathering
By admin • Mar 10th, 2008 • Category: Upcoming Events

You are invited to join us for a national peaceful gathering across Turtle Island aka CANADA to assist a movement of light across Turtle Island from the West to the East on lands known as CANADA in support of First Nations People who continue to be subjected to genocide by the Federal and Provincial government agencies INAC (INDIAN NORTHERN AFFAIRS CANADA) and the United, Catholic and Anglican Churches located on Squamish™ Nation Territory through residential schools and foster parenting programs.

Eviction Notices dated March 4, 2008 are authorized and enforced by Royal Hereditary Chief Kiapilano™ of the Squamish™ Nation lands known in Admiralty/Maritime jurisdiction as a surveyed portion of British Columbia, the gatekeeper of the West and endorsed by the gatekeeper of the East, Ambassador Hereditary Chief Red Jacket™ of Turtle Island known in Admiralty/Maritime Jurisdiction as North America. Eviction Notices are released with a Notice of Appointment to Temporary Fiduciary Power of Attorney, Kevin Annett Eagle Strong Voice who will represent the two Hereditary Chiefs in Good faith to occupy the Named churches peacefully in the name of Truth.

WHO: Kevin Annett Eagle Strong Voice for Royal Hereditary Chief Kiapilano™ of the Squamish™ Nation and Ambassador Red Jacket™ for Turtle Island;

WHAT: Serving Eviction Notices to the Anglican, Catholic and United Churches;

WHY: Time sensitive Constructive Notices served by Kevin Annett have expired. By Right of Entry, Kevin is given full authority to; access the burial sites for excavation, conduct forensic research as to the cause of death at the residential schools and order a proper traditional burial for the dead pursuant to Squamish™ Nation ancient ways;

WHERE: Holy Rosary Catholic Church at Dunsmuir and Richards, Vancouver

WHEN: Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 10:00 am

Copies of the Eviction Notice and the Notice of Appointment are available to the Press at the website www.jointhefederation.com.

For more information about these Hereditary Chiefs and their work for Mother Earth/Gaia and humanity visit their website www.jointhefederation.com or phone Hereditary Chief Red Jacket™ at 778-883-3869 or Royal Hereditary Chief Kiapilano™ at 778-869-1957 or their business manager Irene-Peace: Kiapilano™ at 604-603-2103 or Kevin Annett at pager 1-888-265-1007 or email: hiddenfromhistory@yahoo.ca

Hiyshka/Namaste, Royal Hereditary Chief Kiapilano™ of the ©Squamish™ Nation lands and natural resources

Their intent was to turn the churches into homeless shelters . . . .

Here is the document appointing Kevin Annett with power of attorney . . . and the right to serve the eviction notices:

http://www.jointhefederation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/noappointkevinamar08.pdf

They are saying that the churches have no right to be there, were granted no right to be there by the Squamish, and that furthermore, they committed genocide.

Squamish Territory (”Vancouver, Canada”)
16 March, 2008

Led by Hereditary Squamish Chief Kiapilano, fifty people occupied Holy Rosary Catholic Church in downtown Vancouver this morning in the midst of a high mass, and issued an Eviction Notice to the Roman Catholic Church. (See Public Declaration, below)

Triggered by the refusal of the Catholic Church leaders to reply to a Letter of Demand asking that they identify the buried location of children who died in their Indian Residential Schools, the occupation surprised the church-goers, who sat silently as the procession of residential school survivors, elders, and their supporters walked quietly to the front of the church sanctuary and stood facing them with a banner that read “All the Children Need a Proper Burial.”

Despite physical intimidation by one of the officiating priests, the group stood its ground, and distributed copies of the Eviction Order to the congregants. Acting under the authority of Chief Kiapilano, Kevin Annett Eagle Strong Voice handed an original copy of the Eviction Order to presiding priest Glen Dion. The group then began drumming, and, led by the elders and Chief Kiapilano, slowly proceeded out of the sanctuary as the congregegants stood up.

Outside the church, the group gathered again, where Chief Kiapilano and others spoke.

“I’m Chief Kiapilano. I’m one of the survivors of the Catholic schools. They used every method to shut me up, but I’m still here. We’ve got to stand up and put these people out.”

The crowd roared.

“They now have 72 hours to get off Squamish territory” said Kevin Annett to the crowd. “I hope you’ll all come back next Sunday to help enforce this eviction order. That’s Easter Sunday, when they celebrate the resurrection of Jesus. Well, we’ll be here to witness the resurrection of the Squamish Nation.”

William Combes, a survivor of the Catholic residential schools in Mission and Kamloops, B.C., spoke to the crowd.

“In the residential school I witnessed murders, burials, you name it. But the truth’s going to prevail over their lies”

Chief Red Jacket of the Seneca Nation said,

“it’s long overdue, that this land be given back to Chief Kiapilano, its rightful owner. If I was caught with stolen goods, I’d be taken to jail. Why isn’t this happening here?”.

“I would like to reaffirm Chief Kiapilano’s hereditary title” said an aboriginal man who came from Vancouver Island to be pasrt of the occupation. “It’s the first time I’ve seen someone serve an eviction notice on a church. I’m really proud to be here. I will pass this on to my children and grandchildren”. The crowd roared once more.

Led by the elders, the group then proceeded to Christ Church Anglican Cathedral and St. Andrew’s Wesley United Church, where the same Eviction Order was posted on their front doors.

Despite the noticeable absence of aboriginal media, the event was covered by local and national television and radio stations.

A similar occupation occurred at two churches in downtown Toronto the same morning, and was reported in the Toronto Star and Sun newspapers. At one of the occupied churches, St. James Anglican, the protestors were physically accosted by parishioners and their banner was torn.

Chief Kiapilano’s group is disseminating the Eviction Order to the nearly 300 Catholic, Anglican and United churches on his territory, throughout Vancouver. They plan to return next Sunday to open up Holy Rosary church and others to the hungry and homeless, and to release more evidence of mass murders in Indian Residential Schools.

“I’m only doing what should have been done long ago” declared Chief Kiapilano.

Public Declaration and Press Statement

On the Land of the Squamish Nation -

March 16, 2008

I am Kevin Annett Eagle Strong Voice, and I have been authorized by Hereditary Squamish Chief Kiapilano to make the following Declaration.

As of today, March 16, 2008, the Roman Catholic, Anglican and United Churches of Canada operating in the territory of the Squamish Nation have been ordered permanently off that territory by Chief Kiapilano, under the authority of his traditional tribal law.

Chief Kiapilano has evicted these churches from his territory because of their illegal trespass and occupation of his land, their failure to pay his Nation rent or acknowledgement for more than a century, their responsibility for the deaths of thousands of children in their Indian Residential Schools, and their refusal to return the bodies of these children and surrender those responsible for their deaths.

This Eviction Notice gives these churches 72 hours to remove their belongings from the nearly three hundred buildings owned and operated by them in Squamish territory, which encompasses all of Vancouver and the north shore and outlying territories. After this three day period, Chief Kiapilano and his allies will peacefully occupy and take over these buildings, and open them as sanctuaries for homeless and hungry people.

Therefore, as of 10:00 am, March 19, 2008, PST, the buildings of the three corporations known as the Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Church of Canada, and the United Church of Canada, will belong to the Squamish Nation, and these church corporations will no longer be recognized by us.

This Eviction Notice also empowers me, Kevin Annett Eagle Strong Voice, and my associates, to take this measure of occupation and to conduct on Squamish Nation territory an independent inquiry into crimes in Indian Residential Schools, including by locating and returning the buried remains of children who died in residential schools run by these church corporations.

As part of this inquiry, the church buildings that will be occupied by Squamish Nation members will be opened to the public as a venue for the convening of this independent inquiry, to which we will invite international observers and the media in order to share our findings.

Finally, it is the aim of this campaign to bring to justice those persons responsible for the crime against humanity known as the Indian Residential School system, and therefore we will be establishing Indigenous Courts of Justice on Squamish Nation territory where those accused of such crimes will be brought for trial and sentencing.

We take these actions as a clear Declaration of our sovereignty as a Nation, for the cause of final justice, and for the healing of all nations burdened by the legacy of genocide. We therefore call upon all people of conscience to join us in this struggle, under the guidance of a loving and just Creator, to whom we commit our lives and our mutual honor.

Kevin Annett Eagle Strong Voice

What do you think of these tactics?

hagbard_celine

28-10-2008, 09:08 PM

Americana,

I guess it depends on the will of the Indians living on their nations' reclaimed land. It may be that the Catholic, Anglican and United authorities are guilty of all the crimes Kevin accuses them of. He has certainly presented a convincing case!:eek: Let's hope it comes to court soon.;) However if Indians who have converted to the Christian faith through thier own will and without any coertion wish to practice their faith then it's their right to have premisis to do it in. The provision of such premisis presents no threat to the native religion and the Indians who have retained it so long as no coertion is practiced.

americana

28-10-2008, 09:39 PM

hagbard_celine

28-10-2008, 09:52 PM

Thanks. To imagine that these churches are all corrupt down to the last parishioner, is ridiculous. There must be some good there . . . .charity, love and healing cannot be entirely absent . . .

Absolutely!:cool: Kevin Annett himself is a Christian minister.

hagbard_celine

01-10-2009, 11:49 AM

redskywalker

01-10-2009, 12:00 PM

hagbard_celine

01-10-2009, 12:39 PM

I've seen the film at the beginning of the thread. The stuff I've read about haarp caused injuries is equally shocking. I believe they're going to or are doing the same in oz. I wish everyone would just spend one week researching the real truth, history, money trail of vaccination, then they could take another week reading the other ways government have run secret biological, chemical, etc. attacks on US ALL. It's not someone else, it never was. IT'S WE.

True. Erich von Daniken calls for an "Utipian Archeology Year" in his books. Perhaps we need a "Utopian Politics Year" to sort this shit out.:(;)

real6

01-10-2009, 03:52 PM

real6

01-10-2009, 03:54 PM

Kevin Annett, one of my greatest heroes:cool: (see above) has uncovered a plot by the Canadian Govt to use the Native Peoples as petri-dishes for the upcoming pandemic:

http://www.republicoflakotah.com/2009/the-mask-slips-for-those-with-eyes-to-see-preparing-for-the-real-pandemic/

The Mask Slips, for Those with Eyes to See: Preparing for the Real Pandemic

http://www.republicoflakotah.com/2009/the-mask-slips-for-those-with-eyes-to-see-preparing-for-the-real-pandemic/

Last week, many of the aboriginal people in the remote west coast village of Ahousaht were innoculated with the tamiflu vaccine. Today, over a hundred of them are sick, and the sickness is spreading.

In the same week, body bags were sent to similarly remote native reserves in northern Manitoba that have also received the tamiflu vaccine.

On the face of things, it appears that flu vaccinations are causing a sickness that is being deliberately aimed at aboriginal people across Canada, and this sickness will be fatal: a fact acknowledged by the Canadian government by their “routine” sending of body bags to these Indian villages.

Before you express your shock and denial at the idea that people are being racially targeted and killed, remember that murdering Indians with vaccinations is not a new or abnormal thing in Canada. Indeed, it’s how we Europeans “won the land”, and it’s one of the ways we keep it.

In 1862, Anglican church missionaries Rev. John Sheepshanks and Robert Brown inoculated interior Salish Indians in B.C. with a live smallpox virus that wiped out entire native communities within a month, just prior to the settlement of this native land by gold prospectors associated with these missionaries and government officials.

In 1909, Dr. Peter Bryce of the Indian Affairs department in Ottawa claimed that Catholic and Protestant churches were deliberately exposing native children to smallpox and tuberculosis in residential schools across Canada, and letting them die untreated. Thousands of children died as a result. (Globe and Mail, April 24, 2007)

In 1932, B.C. provincial police attempted to lay charges against Catholic missionaries who had sent smallpox-laden Indian children back among their families along the Fraser river near Mission, BC. The RCMP intervened and protected the church, even though whole villages were wiped out as a result of the church’s actions.

In 1969, native children who escaped from the Nanaimo Indian Hospital on Vancouver Island described being inoculated with shots that caused many of them to die “with bloated up bodies and scabs all over”, to quote one survivor.

Knowing this history, it’s not surprising when Indians on isolated Canadian reserves start sickening and dying en masse from sudden illnesses, after receiving flu shots. After all, it’s still the law in Canada, under the apartheid Indian Act, that no on-reserve Indian can refuse medical treatments or experimentation. So it’s small wonder that these reserves are the places being targeted first to be injected with untested, unsafe and potentially lethal flu vaccines.

As an entire race of involuntary test subjects, Indians in Canada are a weather vane for what will befall all of us, and very soon. For the very techniques and weapons of genocide perfected against aboriginal people are now being deployed against “mainstream” Canadians.

Under Bill C-6, which is about to pass third reading in Parliament and become the law, no Canadian will be allowed to refuse inoculations for the swine flu, despite the fact that it is relatively benign and mild, and has killed only people who are already immune-compromised. Indeed, it is astounding that such coercion and dictatorial laws are being employed to deal with what the chief Canadian Health Officer has called a “mild seasonal flu”.

Clearly, another agenda is at work; but the time to ascertain and challenge that agenda has all but run out. This coming month, forced inoculations and imprisonment of those who refuse them may be a reality across Canada. And for what reason? Clearly, not for public health, considering the sickness and death caused by previous swine flu vaccines.

I believe that the real pandemic is about to be unleashed through the very vaccines being pushed by governments and pharmaceutical giants like Novartis and Glaxo Smith Kline. The shots will be the cause, not the cure, of the pandemic. Of course, those in power can disprove this by simply being the first people to take the swine flu shot: an event about as likely as these companies forgoing the multi-billion dollar profits they will reap from the mass vaccinations.

It’s indeed ironic that, very soon, many “white” Canadians may be suffering the same fate that aboriginal people have for centuries. Perhaps it’s fitting. For if we are indeed being targeted for extermination, or at the least martial law and dictatorship, we finally can have the chance to shed our complicity in the genocide of other people, and get on the right side of humanity - simply by having to fight the system that is causing mass murder.

…………. ……… ……… ……… ……… ……… ……… ……….
……… ……… ..

Rev. Kevin D. Annett
260 Kennedy St.
Nanaimo, BC Canada V9R 2H8
250-753-3345
www.hiddenfromhistory.org

kevinannettKevin Annett is a community minister, educator and award-winning film maker who lives and works with aboriginal and low income people in Vancouver and Nanaimo, BC.

Read and Hear the truth of Genocide in Canada, past and present, at this website:
www.hiddenfromhistory.org

Film Trailer to Kevin’s award-winning documentary film UNREPENTANT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8HB5cbKHDU&feature=related

“Kevin is more deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize than many who have received it in the past.”
- Dr. Noam Chomsky
Institute Professor Emeritus
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

“A courageous and inspiring man.” (referring to Kevin Annett)
- Mairead Corrigan-Maguire
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate
Belfast , Northern Ireland

“As a long time front line worker with the Elders’ Council at the Downtown Eastside Women’s Centre, I stand behind what Kevin Annett is trying to do for our people. The genocide that continues today and which stemmed from the residential schools needs
to be exposed. Kevin Annett helps break the silence, and brings the voice of our people all over the world.”
Carol Muree Martin - Spirit Tree Woman
Nisgaa Nation

“I gave Kevin Annett his Indian name, Eagle Strong Voice, in 2004 when I adopted him into our Anishinabe Nation. He carries that name proudly because he is doing the job he was sent to do, to tell his people of their wrongs. He speaks strongly and with truth. He speaks for our stolen and murdered children. I ask everyone to listen to him and welcome him.”
Chief Louis Daniels - Whispers Wind
Elder, Turtle Clan, Anishinabe Nation
Winnipeg, Manitoba

ronisron

01-10-2009, 04:23 PM

O Canada, our home ON NATIVE LAND.......

I've watched this before, well, parts of it.... and it is heart wrenching. It's a true horror film depicting the machinations of satanic, evil emmisaries as they attempt to destroy and disenfranchise an entire ethnic group and their culture. I think they should show this in schools; not to children too young, but to at least young teenagers and up. It should be required.

Thanks to Rev Annett, for risking his life to get this info out there in such a provocative way. Those were people, most of them children.

The British South Africans studied Canada's Native Reserve system when they were planning the implementation of Apartheid.

dolores1

01-10-2009, 05:01 PM

I have down loaded the film and I am putting it on disc for distribution.

This story of Hagbard's must be kept alive and spread. Knowledge is power, we have it and must use it.

Thanks Hagbard.

hugolast

01-10-2009, 05:39 PM

thanks for this info.

hagbard_celine

09-10-2009, 05:15 PM

I have down loaded the film and I am putting it on disc for distribution.

This story of Hagbard's must be kept alive and spread. Knowledge is power, we have it and must use it.

Thanks Hagbard.

You're welcome.:) I agree, this story is relevent to all humanity... before we lose it!:(:eek:

Have you seen Kevin's article in thee latest Dot Connector magazine?

gripit

09-10-2009, 09:16 PM

Thanks for posting all of this Hagbard. Being a white Canadian, this is gonna be tough to watch. I really feel ashamed. I shall get to it eventually, though. People need to hear about this :mad::(

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6295/deescanadaholocaust.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/deescanadaholocaust.jpg/)

clint_giles

09-10-2009, 09:23 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6637396204037343133

I've watched the first 20 minutes and I've got tears in my eyes! This is horrific and unbelieveable!:mad::(

it is insane how the aboriginal people of canada have been treated.
absolutely insane !

this is the first holocaust of north america the white man getting rid of the red man, same in the usa,another is upon us

bowtiedaddy

09-10-2009, 09:56 PM

hagbard_celine

16-10-2009, 09:20 AM

it is insane how the aboriginal people of canada have been treated.
absolutely insane !

this is the first holocaust of north america the white man getting rid of the red man, same in the usa,another is upon us

Sadly this holocaust is just a continuation of the same bigger one that's been going on in one form or another for 500 years, since Cortes first waded ashore in Mexico.:mad::(

hagbard_celine

16-10-2009, 09:22 AM

Is this talking about what the Canadians did to Natives? It's unbelievable how much worse Canada was even than the USA to Natives. They kept killing them off and torturing them right up until a few years ago, apparently.

Yes, this is not 19th century imperial stuff; it's frighteningly recent. In our lifetimes!:eek::(:mad:

hagbard_celine

16-10-2009, 09:22 AM

Thanks for posting all of this Hagbard. Being a white Canadian, this is gonna be tough to watch. I really feel ashamed.

Don't be. You're no more to blame than any of the rest of us, even non-Canadians like me.:(:eek:

grannymoose

16-10-2009, 09:36 AM

i am sick and speechless. :(

hagbard_celine

16-10-2009, 09:57 AM

i am sick and speechless. :(

This film makes every decent human being feel that way.:eek::(

real6

29-11-2011, 10:23 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLEcnBy6V6M&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vNW9meqny4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xR00PSZqmY

clint_giles

29-11-2011, 10:40 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLEcnBy6V6M&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vNW9meqny4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xR00PSZqmY

very important issue

but i did not know you,that you can raise the dead:eek::eek:

keep it up !
alot of good ones are buried

302bluefog

29-11-2011, 11:11 PM

Damn, this is some evil shit...im 15min in

God obviously does NOT want us to go to church...

smh