Zeitgeist author on AJ show right now

[strt]

They are not going along very well so far...

Sorry, typo in title, cannot be changed but not important.

[romas]

LoL Alex Jones is yelling like an idiot ._.

Well that's what he represents, idiots from the past and Peter Joseph is really not in his ball park, I'd really like an intelligent journalist interview Joseph, maybe Jeff Rense?

[strt]

LoL Alex Jones is yelling like an idiot ._.

Well that's what he represents, idiots from the past and Peter Joseph is really not in his ball park.

I completely disagree with you but that's good show right now :)

[lightgiver]

alex is voicing his opinion,

http://www.infowars.com/audiobox.html

[the7thdr]

Alex Jones is once again making a fool of himself. This will, conclude with him claiming he "won" the argument and the dollar is being destroyed. He shall then bring back on his boss Ted Turner (sorry Freudian slip; Ted Anderson) to sell some more gold; gold which he shall sell to people paying him with these very same worthless dollars.

It was interesting to note earlier that Anderson was on explaining that there is a world shortage of gold coins; when Jones asked him how many he had left he said a maximum of 300. Then he said he might stretch it to a 1000. Short selling perhaps?

No credibility whatsoever.

[xpleet]

I will probably never listen to him again, he's so annoying, I don't understand how someone can continuesly (every day except saturday's) yell around in a 4hrs session.

[strt]

I tend to think that he has the point...

[Anders Lindman]

lol. He said Alex is manipulative because he sell things for $29.95 instead of $20.00 and Alex admitted it is manipulative but just ordinary price-setting. :D

[edelweiss pirate]

That old Jew on the new zeitgeist video is a new Marx.....

If enough people swallow this nonsense we'll all be exterminated because we failed to read the small print of his Utopia manifesto.

[krakhead]

Listening now - thank you.

I also corrected the spelling mistake in the thread title :)

[shodan]

can we quit the mud slinging and get back on topic, cheers.

[the7thdr]

No need to meet you; we are thinking about you already.

Shalom

93

[strt]

I also corrected the spelling mistake in the thread title :)

Thanks, I was in the hurry ;)

"Put him on hold" LOL :D

[the7thdr]

can we quit the mud slinging and get back on topic, cheers.

Very wise, but i notice when you removed some comments, you left the "old Jew" one in place. Surely an oversight?

93

[edelweiss pirate]

Good moderating btw...

Seriously.... well done you guys.... that guy was egging for a rumble.

What's racist about calling someone a 'Jew'?

Laughable isn't it?

[planetsadhana]

zeitgeist addendum.....new world order lite,

[Anders Lindman]

lol. He said Alex is manipulative because he sell things for $29.95 instead of $20.00 and Alex admitted it is manipulative but just ordinary price-setting. :D

Alex countered with saying that in Zeitgeist he uses manipulative sad and eerie music.

[romas]

Alex didn't even undirstand in what context he was reffering that, as an example without bs, guess to much for an overblow believer, getting a headache from Alex Jones atm ._.

[danster82]

Alex sounds like a child trying to defended his position.

I think Alex fails total on this issue what a let down.

[elirien]

Alex kinda gets carried away with his temper that's all I could see wrong until now. Very interesting debate.

[lightgiver]

I cannot still understand why people are raving about this project venus.do you not get it,this technology and way of living as been around for ages,so why should we believe everything zeitgeist 2 says?just because they have exposed the banking fraud,we have known its a fraud for years,david icke and the like have been exposing all this corruption for years even before zeitgeist even came out.

Our society is shit because have the idiots who run the show,and until we get these idiots sorted out,there will never be any change.

For more info on project venus google it.its not new,more like a nwo elitest plan.

GETTING BACK TO NATURE IS THE ANSWER,and using green technology's in conjunction with nature,not flippin robots.

does any one really believe the elites want to share the same space as us.

[planetsadhana]

there both missing one big thing

infinite love is the only truth everything else is an illusion

[a new reality awaits]

This is the best radio show broadcast in the history of the medium. If the world in its entirety were debating like Alex and Peter (without corruption), we'd quickly move towards a peaceful world. Amazing stuff.

[r3sonator]

Ego war at it's finest right now, i say don't divide, unite .They both have valid points listening right now, but ffs can't we build and learn from each other's point of view. :cool:

[planetsadhana]

lightgiver ....spot on

[lightgiver]

there both missing one big thing

infinite love is the only truth everything else is an illusion

Yeah,but you still need clean healthy food and water;)and a roof over our illusory head.

and what alex is saying now decentralization,going back to the land growing organic,communities bartering with each other away from government intrusion,self sufficiency,people empowering themselves, not governments.All governments do is TAKE and no give,under the guise of the banking elite.
and yes planet sadhana,infinite love mixed with all these descent and non corrupt values.

[a new reality awaits]

there both missing one big thing

infinite love is the only truth everything else is an illusion

Indeed. But apparently love doesn't exist (according to Peter) because it's a 'religious' connotation. I guess David is going to have to change his wonderful line to: "Infinite good is the only truth. Everything else is illusion.":confused:

:D

[binkbonk]

Wow, Peter kind of sounds like a Socialist...

The more I delve into the occult and alternative thinking, the more I realize that society is enslaved in a labyrinth of insoluble conundrums.

[elirien]

Yeah,but you still need clean healthy food and water;)and a roof over our illusory head.

and what alex is saying now decentralization,going back to the land growing organic,communities bartering with each other away from government intrusion,self sufficiency,people empowering themselves not governments all governments do is TAKE and no give,under the guise of the banking elite.
and yes planet sadhana,infinite love mixed with all these descent and non corrupt values.

lightgiver. thank you. you are definitely right.

[the7thdr]

Wow, Peter kind of sounds like a Socialist...

The more I delve into the occult and alternative thinking, the more I realize that society is enslaved in a labyrinth of insoluble conundrums.

:) That's because we have been taught that anything that is not capitalist is socialist and that socialist = "bad"

That is the cunning of capitalism and it's programing.

[danster82]

:) That's because we have been taught that anything that is not capitalist is socialist and that socialist = "bad"

That is the cunning of capitalism and it's programing.

spot on

[Anders Lindman]

I agree that the debate between them is interesting. New ideas may come up from debates like this that integrate (sort of a la Ken Wilber) both sides.

[the7thdr]

There we go; he even managed to get Ted's (Really, I have all this gold and silver, I never buy from brokers short selling) gold into the interview. I wonder what the delivery time is? 14 weeks or so perhaps?

[lightgiver]

lightgiver. thank you. you are definitely right.

Thanks,and isnt it funny how the elites do not practise what they preach;)

3. Right Speech

Right speech is the first principle of ethical conduct in the eightfold path. Ethical conduct is viewed as a guideline to moral discipline, which supports the other principles of the path. This aspect is not self-sufficient, however, essential, because mental purification can only be achieved through the cultivation of ethical conduct. The importance of speech in the context of Buddhist ethics is obvious: words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends, start war or create peace. Buddha explained right speech as follows: 1. to abstain from false speech, especially not to tell deliberate lies and not to speak deceitfully, 2. to abstain from slanderous speech and not to use words maliciously against others, 3. to abstain from harsh words that offend or hurt others, and 4. to abstain from idle chatter that lacks purpose or depth. Positively phrased, this means to tell the truth, to speak friendly, warm, and gently and to talk only when necessary.

4. Right Action

The second ethical principle, right action, involves the body as natural means of expression, as it refers to deeds that involve bodily actions. Unwholesome actions lead to unsound states of mind, while wholesome actions lead to sound states of mind. Again, the principle is explained in terms of abstinence: right action means 1. to abstain from harming sentient beings, especially to abstain from taking life (including suicide) and doing harm intentionally or delinquently, 2. to abstain from taking what is not given, which includes stealing, robbery, fraud, deceitfulness, and dishonesty, and 3. to abstain from sexual misconduct. Positively formulated, right action means to act kindly and compassionately, to be honest, to respect the belongings of others, and to keep sexual relationships harmless to others. Further details regarding the concrete meaning of right action can be found in the Precepts.

5. Right Livelihood

Right livelihood means that one should earn one's living in a righteous way and that wealth should be gained legally and peacefully. The Buddha mentions four specific activities that harm other beings and that one should avoid for this reason: 1. dealing in weapons, 2. dealing in living beings (including raising animals for slaughter as well as slave trade and prostitution), 3. working in meat production and butchery, and 4. selling intoxicants and poisons, such as alcohol and drugs. Furthermore any other occupation that would violate the principles of right speech and right action should be avoided.

these are the exact things the elites do not practise,

[blueyonder2012]

Ego war at it's finest right now, i say don't divide, unite .They both have valid points listening right now, but ffs can't we build and learn from each other's point of view. :cool:

Spot on - Alex wants to calm down. . .:eek:

[uboslav]

For more info on project venus google it.its not new,more like a nwo elitest plan.


It almost does seem a little bit like an elitest plan.

Addendum failed to cover the fact that technology has been so suppressed that we are like children getting toys dolled out as we can handle them. If technology is so important? Why wasn't there a big section in that video covering how technology has been suppressed?

What about underground bases, what about alien technology? What about the maglev trains that already exist underground? They didn't dare touch on these subjects...why? I would go as far to speculate that this new zeitgeist film is a disinfo piece.

[binkbonk]

:) That's because we have been taught that anything that is not capitalist is socialist and that socialist = "bad"

That is the cunning of capitalism and it's programing.Peter's whole ideology is to teach me a new way to think. What's the diff?

[planetsadhana]

your right binkbonk, I think both these guys could go round and round biting each others backside for ever,

this zeitgeist fellow is building a wall around his consciousness and Aj has not got the knowledge to point it out,

[edelweiss pirate]

I think we should be very wary of anyone who states that the earth has a 'natural carrying capacity' and that we have no souls.....

I see a whole lot of murder in this Zeitgeist ideology....

Very scary.

It's a chocolate coated jackboot.

Unless you're one of the people who thinks they're gonna get something out of their system.....

The Nazis appealed in the same way....

The Masons continually talk about a 'new system'.

The new Zeitgeist film is the manifesto for that 'new system'. No doubt about it.

[the7thdr]

Peter's whole ideology is to teach me a new way to think. What's the diff?

None, everyone has an agenda; everyone. If you wish to exist in a society you need to chose which ideology to follow. This is the simple truth. There is very little; if anything; that you think that has not come from the external

[lightgiver]

It almost does seem a little bit like an elitest plan.

Addendum failed to cover the fact that technology has been so suppressed that we are like children getting toys dolled out as we can handle them. If technology is so important? Why wasn't there a big section in that video covering how technology has been suppressed?

What about underground bases, what about alien technology? What about the maglev trains that already exist underground? They didn't dare touch on these subjects...why? I would go as far to speculate that this new zeitgeist film is a disinfo piece.

yes you are right,its quite ironic the maglev technology as been out for years,the guy who invented it was actually from the same area i was brought up.all the technologys are being suppressed,the elites only do things when they decide,not you or i.

In the 1960s, Great Britain held the lead in maglev research;[1] Eric Laithwaite, Professor of Heavy Electrical Engineering at Imperial College, developed a functional maglev passenger vehicle. It weighed 1 ton (1 tonne) and could carry four passengers.[1] Additional funding for his work was also provided by British Rail, the British Transport Commission, Manchester University, Surrey University and the Wolfson Foundation.[1] His maglev had one mile (1.6 km) of track and was thoroughly tested, but his research was cut off in 1973 due to lack of funding; and his progress was not sufficient. British Rail also set up a Maglev Experimental Centre at their Railway Technical Centre based at Derby.

In the 1970s, Germany and Japan also began research and after some failures both nations developed mature technologies in the 1990s.

[danster82]

I posted criticism of Alex on their prison planet forum and they deleted the thread.... the irony

[the7thdr]

I think we should be very wary of anyone who states that the earth has a 'natural carrying capacity' and that we have no souls.....

I see a whole lot of murder in this Zeitgeist ideology....

Very scary.

It's a chocolate coated jackboot.

Unless you're one of the people who thinks they're gonna get something out of their system.....

The Nazis appealed in the same way....

The Masons continually talk about a 'new system'.

The new Zeitgeist film is the manifesto for that 'new system'. No doubt abo ut it.

Because wo do have no souls. This is an idea perpetuated by a fear of death.

[xpleet]

I sneaked in and I kind of like what he says.


Alex is either preconditioned or biased, or so corrupted with wealth that he doesn't want to aknowledge that the entire monetary system is egocentric and outright insane. He thinks that "human nature" is about competition and preying from each other. He really doesn't get it.

On the other hand the Zeitgeist author is very doubtable, as I just heard him saying that it's natural for this monetary system to collapse and for a new 'better' system to naturally evolve. 20 Seconds later he says he's not fighting the new world order!! He could very well be a shill. :eek:

[a new reality awaits]

The Zeitgeist movement = The Illuminati movement

Two extremes are the same. The real answer lies in the middle. Through research and development of ideas with a focus on peace and love will result in the closest thing we can achieve to utopia. My take.:)

[the7thdr]

I posted criticism of Alex on their prison planet forum and they deleted the thread.... the irony

"No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
- George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 10

:)

[edelweiss pirate]

Because wo do have no souls. This is an idea perpetuated by a fear of death.

Wrong. The belief that we have no souls is a reaction to the fear of death.

That's why the elite are obsessed with expanding their life spans.

The humanist masons teach now that we have no souls because they don't want to face the evil of their actions in the light of spiritual truth....

Anyway, get well soon.

Like it or not, when we die we all get judged..... by ourselves...

I've died once already so I kind of know the score.

You're the same guy who thinks Jew is a racist term aren't you.....?

You're a funny one.

[eternal_spirit]

Peter's whole ideology is to teach me a new way to think. What's the diff?

Socialism = Commumism which has killed millions more people than any other movement/group
in the known history of the human race. And that's just in the last Century. A creation of Zionist Jews.

[a new reality awaits]

Because wo do have no souls. This is an idea perpetuated by a fear of death.

I'd say all we truly are is soul. Soul or Infinite Consciousness-- whatever you'd like to call it.

[lightgiver]

It almost does seem a little bit like an elitest plan.

Addendum failed to cover the fact that technology has been so suppressed that we are like children getting toys dolled out as we can handle them. If technology is so important? Why wasn't there a big section in that video covering how technology has been suppressed?

What about underground bases, what about alien technology? What about the maglev trains that already exist underground? They didn't dare touch on these subjects...why? I would go as far to speculate that this new zeitgeist film is a disinfo piece.

The best-known high-speed maglev currently operating commercially is the IOS (initial operating segment) demonstration line of the German built Transrapid train in Shanghai, China that transports people 30 km (18.6 miles) to the airport in just 7 minutes 20 seconds, achieving a top speed of 431 km/h (268 mph), averaging 250 km/h (150 mph).

Other commercially operating lines exist in Japan, such as the Linimo line. Maglev projects worldwide are being studied for feasibility. In Japan at the Yamanashi test track, current maglev train technology is mature, but costs and problems remain a barrier to development. Alternative technologies are being developed to address those issues

[uboslav]

The Zeitgeist movement = The Illuminati movement

Two extremes are the same. The real answer lies in the middle. Through research and development of ideas with a focus on peace and love will result in the closest thing we can achieve to utopia. My take.:)

This is very interesting stuff. Its a bit of a mind warper but I think you might be very correct :)

[the7thdr]

Socialism = Commumism which has killed millions more people than any other movement/group
in the known history of the human race. And that's just in the last Century. A creat hjealth is keeping ion of Zionist Jews.

Still do the "Jew thing"?

I hope your health is keeping up?

[xpleet]

Zeitgeist author believes we have no souls? Is he nuts?

Does he ignore all the reports and experiences from people going to other dimensional planes and other paranormal evidences? Merely that gives evidential results from research he could have done, hence he can not claim to be a researcher.

Experiencing gravedoubts about Zeitgeist now.

[elirien]

your right binkbonk, I think both these guys could go round and round biting each others backside for ever,

this zeitgeist fellow is building a wall around his consciousness and Aj has not got the knowledge to point it out,

sadly yes. loved the debate though. he got the reeducation bit right out though :)

[lightgiver]

whats all the interference?some other blinking msm show is being spewed out,above the show?wtf.

[r3sonator]

The ending was just hilarious, 2 kids fighting for their toy, Aj: don't come get me on Z day peter, please dont come and get me... muhahaha with a commercial and 2 other supressed voices at the end how is that for brainwashing/ mind control?

[the7thdr]

Wrong. The belief that we have no souls is a reaction to the fear of death.

That's why the elite are obsessed with expanding their life spans.

The humanist masons teach now that we have no souls because they don't want to face the evil of their actions in the light of spiritual truth....

Anyway, get well soon.

Like it or not, when we die we all get judged..... by ourselves...

I'e died once already so I kind of know the score.

You're the same guy who thinks Jew is a racist term aren't you.....?

You're a funny one.

No, I'm the guy that says when you say "That old Jew on the new zeitgeist" you use it both with derogatory intent and antisemitic sentiment.

You have died once already? Goodness, what a shame

[abrilliantone]

I cannot still understand why people are raving about this project venus.do you not get it,this technology and way of living as been around for ages,so why should we believe everything zeitgeist 2 says?just because they have exposed the banking fraud,we have known its a fraud for years,david icke and the like have been exposing all this corruption for years even before zeitgeist even came out.

Our society is shit because have the idiots who run the show,and until we get these idiots sorted out,there will never be any change.

For more info on project venus google it.its not new,more like a nwo elitest plan...

I don't know why this is hard for some to understand. http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/1892_.gif (http://www.clipartof.com)

there both missing one big thing

infinite love is the only truth everything else is an illusion

PERIOD! http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/2407_group_hug.gif (http://www.clipartof.com)

[lightgiver]

The ending was just hilarious, 2 kids fighting for their toy, Aj: don't come get me on Z day peter, please dont come and get me... muhahaha with a commercial and 2 other supressed voices at the end how is that for brainwashing/ mind control?

as yours got interference,its nuts:confused:

[edelweiss pirate]

The ending was just hilarious, 2 kids fighting for their toy, Aj: don't come get me on Z day peter, please dont come and get me... muhahaha with a commercial and 2 other supressed voices at the end how is that for brainwashing/ mind control?

I think they kissed and made up at the end.

AJ said he was a great guy....

Alex is making a real effort to be nice these days I reckon....

[lightgiver]

I don't know why this is hard for some to understand. http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/1892_.gif (http://www.clipartof.com)



PERIOD! http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/2407_group_hug.gif (http://www.clipartof.com)

Hi brilliantone,yes i have been banging my head for a number of years now:Dlol:D funny post;)

[danster82]

sadly yes. loved the debate though. he got the reeducation bit right out though :)

The reeducation bit is exactly where Alex is acting a fool, saying re-eduction reduction like a kid and insinuating that hes some sort of NWO shill doing re-eduction, well you could point out that re-eduction is all that Alex ever does is it not? But just because re-eduction is some conditioned phrase that has evil connotation attached to it would that make Alex's re-eduction evil also? and yet these are the childish arguments Alex is making.

I dont know I just cant understand why people arent seeing this Alex is the one in the closed box in this case, hes been beating his own drum beat for so long he cant hear anything outside of his own mind anymore.

[edelweiss pirate]

No, I'm the guy that says when you say "That old Jew on the new zeitgeist" you use it both with derogatory intent and antisemitic sentiment.

You have died once already? Goodness, what a shame

I'm part Jewish so I guess I beat the Jewish part of me up everynight, while the caucasian part looks on and feels superior...

Get off that train pal.

I only care about the truth.

You can keep your PC bullshit.


I tell it like it is. A luxury I can afford, unlike the shills with an ideology to sell.

The guy is an old Jew. Just like my nana.

If that's racist then I suggest you should mingle a bit more.

[r3sonator]

as yours got interference,its nuts:confused:

Well yes, towards the end seemed like the end of the debate combined with a commercial for mineral health suplement ladida with a supressed voice talking about osama bin laden and the third one, went to fast to understand, something smells...:rolleyes:

[gu3rr1lla]

I think the two are as bad as each another!

I was disapointed to find that zeitgeist didnt mention permaculture! Working with nature to grow crops which only takes a few hours out of your time a week unlike conventional farming which works against nature. The ideas in zeitgeist arent new, for example Thoreau: "That government is best which governs least and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, — That government is best which governs not at all; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have."

Im concerned about the venus project because when the world is run by machines what will be the need for humans? I think the elite wants us not to be afraid of new technology... to accept it and when the time is right they can easily enslave or kill us with a touch of a button.

[eternal_spirit]

I'm part Jewish so I guess I beat the Jewish part of me up everynight, while the caucasian part looks on and feels superior...

I only care about the truth.

You can keep your PC bullshit.


I tell it like it is. A luxury I can afford, unlike the shills.

This is the kind of posts he makes from another thread

quote the7thdr

Your a sick fuck and deserve to be the first on the FEMA train, to the FEMA prison where the lizard people, or whoever, will suck your eyes out while you polish your nice silver buttons on your nice uniform, your grasp of history still as shit poor as ever, been manipulated by the very people that do so because they realize you are a thick fuck.

Sig Hail!

I will be thinking about you later And I am sure you know what this means

93

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=555857&postcount=43

end quote

And notice the 93 he keeps adding to his posts

The number 93 is of great significance in the religion of Thelema (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema), adapted from the philosophy of François Rabelais (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Rabelais) by Aleister Crowley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) in 1904 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904) with the writing of The Book of the Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_the_Law).[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/93_%28Thelema%29#cite_note-0)

[Anders Lindman]

I don't believe replacing the system with another system is a good idea. That would just be like shuffling around the same stuff, and even worse: risk destroying the values in the previous system. Things like religion and traditions most likely have important values that have been built through centuries.

I'm all for boycotting traditions when we feel like it for example. :D But to destroy traditions would be a huge mistake I think. When we add new things, that doesn't mean that the older things should be destroyed. That would be stupid. Just because the television came didn't mean that radio was destroyed. And video did NOT kill the radio star. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwuy4hHO3YQ

[elirien]

The reeducation bit is exactly where Alex is acting a fool, saying re-eduction reduction like a kid and insinuating that hes some sort of NWO shill doing re-eduction, well you could point out that re-eduction is all that Alex ever does is it not? But just because re-eduction is some conditioned phrase that has evil connotation attached to it would that make Alex's re-eduction evil also? and yet these are the childish arguments Alex is making.

I dont know I just cant understand why people arent seeing this Alex is the one in the closed box in this case, hes been beating his own drum beat for so long he cant hear anything outside of his own mind anymore.

"The people need to be re-educated" that was his point. It sounds like programming the public what he and Icke are trying to de-program so that people can educate themselves with an open mind. re-educating the public doesn't mean "the public should come to their own conclusions". re-educating doesn't mean deprogramming or freedom of speech. it does mean high school history doctrination again and again.

have a look here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38817

[the7thdr]

This is the kind of posts he makes from another thread

quote the7thdr

Your a sick fuck and deserve to be the first on the FEMA train, to the FEMA prison where the lizard people, or whoever, will suck your eyes out while you polish your nice silver buttons on your nice uniform, your grasp of history still as shit poor as ever, been manipulated by the very people that do so because they realize you are a thick fuck.

Sig Hail!

I will be thinking about you later And I am sure you know what this means

93

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=555857&postcount=43

end quote

And notice the 93 he keeps adding to his posts

The number 93 is of great significance in the religion of Thelema (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema), adapted from the philosophy of François Rabelais (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Rabelais) by Aleister Crowley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) in 1904 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904) with the writing of The Book of the Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_the_Law).[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/93_%28Thelema%29#cite_note-0)

Well, done. Still think your a sick fuck by the way.

Hope that coughs ok?

23

[edelweiss pirate]

This is the kind of posts he makes from another thread

quote the7thdr

Your a sick fuck and deserve to be the first on the FEMA train, to the FEMA prison where the lizard people, or whoever, will suck your eyes out while you polish your nice silver buttons on your nice uniform, your grasp of history still as shit poor as ever, been manipulated by the very people that do so because they realize you are a thick fuck.

Sig Hail!

I will be thinking about you later And I am sure you know what this means

93

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=555857&postcount=43

end quote

And notice the 93 he keeps adding to his posts

The number 93 is of great significance in the religion of Thelema (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema), adapted from the philosophy of François Rabelais (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Rabelais) by Aleister Crowley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) in 1904 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904) with the writing of The Book of the Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_the_Law).[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/93_%28Thelema%29#cite_note-0)

I think cursing other forumers has got to be a banning offence...

Lol... should add it to forum guidelines.

Cursing, hexing and the use of black magic, will not be tolerated against fellow members of the David Icke Forum and is liable to a discretionary points penalty.

[eternal_spirit]

Still do the "Jew thing"?

I hope your health is keeping up?

LOL what you gonna do put one of your Jewish curses on me for being a naughty goy. Last one who tried that never tried again, you'll find out why.

BTW what do you think about Crowley writing anti Jewish propaganda to stir up trouble while in Germany?

[the7thdr]

I think cursing other forumers has got to be a banning offence...

Lol... should add it to forum guidelines.

Have you meet ES by the way? You might get on.

[twistedconcept]

A fantastic interview. I felt like getting the popcorn out.

[elirien]

Im concerned about the venus project because when the world is run by machines what will be the need for humans? I think the elite wants us not to be afraid of new technology... to accept it and when the time is right they can easily enslave or kill us with a touch of a button.

Damn right. They are also talking about implementing technology into the human body. Borg anyone? How would that rate compared to the rfid chip?

[the7thdr]

LOL what you gonna do put one of your Jewish curses on me for being a naughty goy. Last one who tried that never tried again, you'll find out why.

BTW what do you think about Crowley writing anti Jewish propaganda to stir up trouble while in Germany?

My last reply - while you yet again attempt to steal a post for your agenda

Beware 23

Now, back to the adults

[strt]

Please, I don't care what kind of goy is who on this thread. Can you guys open new thread and continue there?

[hirschfelder]

It almost does seem a little bit like an elitest plan.

Addendum failed to cover the fact that technology has been so suppressed ... Why wasn't there a big section in that video covering how technology has been suppressed?

There was wasn't there? I'd never heard of a maglev train until a week or so ago, and I'm pretty sure it came from ZA

Wasn't there a big bit about car manufacturers and oil companies holding patents to technologies that could challenge their businesses? And a bit about suppressed renewable energy technology?

[abrilliantone]

...I think the elite wants us not to be afraid of new technology... to accept it and when the time is right they can easily enslave us with technology that can kill us with a touch of a button.


They don't want us to be 'afraid' of 'new technology'.They want us to 'embrace' it. http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/2417_open_arms.gif (http://www.clipartof.com)

http://www.newciv.org/pic/nl/artpic/195/188/verichip.jpg

:rolleyes:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3157/1220/320/verichip2.jpg

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/scared003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[strt]

I'd never heard of a maglev train until a week or so ago, and I'm pretty sure it came from ZA

No, that's old story. There was whole show about maglev few years ago on National Geographics tv.

Such insisting on technology in Z2 is creepy.

One thing from the interview: "You could go to shop and take anything you want but there is no corruption and no stealing because there is no scarcity". I don't think this can be possible... ever.

[hirschfelder]

Because wo do have no souls. This is an idea perpetuated by a fear of death.

I thought the soul/no soul question was unanswerable due to the fact that you can't really prove or disprove either side?

How did modern science peer into the non-existent afterlife and determine its non-existence? Probably something to do with particle physics and whatnot. I'm surprised I missed the announcement

[hirschfelder]

No, that's old story. There was whole show about maglev few years ago on National Geographics tv.

Such insisting on technology in Z2 is creepy.


But they do mention it on Z2 don't they? Or am I going crazy?

[lightgiver]

There was wasn't there? I'd never heard of a maglev train until a week or so ago, and I'm pretty sure it came from ZA

Wasn't there a big bit about car manufacturers and oil companies holding patents to technologies that could challenge their businesses? And a bit about suppressed renewable energy technology?

Have you read the previous posts:confused:;)

,its quite ironic the maglev technology as been out for years,the guy who invented it was actually from the same area i was brought up.all the technologys are being suppressed,the elites only do things when they decide,not you or i.

In the 1960s, Great Britain held the lead in maglev research;[1] Eric Laithwaite, Professor of Heavy Electrical Engineering at Imperial College, developed a functional maglev passenger vehicle. It weighed 1 ton (1 tonne) and could carry four passengers.[1] Additional funding for his work was also provided by British Rail, the British Transport Commission, Manchester University, Surrey University and the Wolfson Foundation.[1] His maglev had one mile (1.6 km) of track and was thoroughly tested, but his research was cut off in 1973 due to lack of funding; and his progress was not sufficient. British Rail also set up a Maglev Experimental Centre at their Railway Technical Centre based at Derby.

In the 1970s, Germany and Japan also began research and after some failures both nations developed mature technologies in the 1990s.

[Anders Lindman]

They don't want us to be 'afraid' of 'new technology'.They want us to 'embrace' it. http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/2417_open_arms.gif (http://www.clipartof.com)


I think they meant that technology can help improving life and serve humanity. At least I hope they meant that. :eek: I'm eagerly waiting for things like zero point energy technology, true AI and nanotech. :)

[lightgiver]

There was wasn't there? I'd never heard of a maglev train until a week or so ago, and I'm pretty sure it came from ZA

Wasn't there a big bit about car manufacturers and oil companies holding patents to technologies that could challenge their businesses? And a bit about suppressed renewable energy technology?

The best-known high-speed maglev currently operating commercially is the IOS (initial operating segment) demonstration line of the German built Transrapid train in Shanghai, China that transports people 30 km (18.6 miles) to the airport in just 7 minutes 20 seconds, achieving a top speed of 431 km/h (268 mph), averaging 250 km/h (150 mph).

Other commercially operating lines exist in Japan, such as the Linimo line. Maglev projects worldwide are being studied for feasibility. In Japan at the Yamanashi test track, current maglev train technology is mature, but costs and problems remain a barrier to development. Alternative technologies are being developed to address those issues

[strt]

But they do mention it on Z2 don't they? Or am I going crazy?

Yes, they do, don't worry :) I just understood that you think that this is Z2 idea or something...

[jahzel]

I don't care what you think - ALEX JONES KICKS ASS.

[strt]

I don't care what you think - ALEX JONES KICKS ASS.

Even if we think that Alex kicks ass?

[elirien]

There was wasn't there? I'd never heard of a maglev train until a week or so ago, and I'm pretty sure it came from ZA

Wasn't there a big bit about car manufacturers and oil companies holding patents to technologies that could challenge their businesses? And a bit about suppressed renewable energy technology?

That would be the same as blaming money for luciferianism imho. It's a good thing that ZA so to speak does point those things out of course. But that technology could be fairly used also in a free market money based economy. why shouldn't it be?

Don't get me wrong. ZA has some valid points with behaviorism but the solutions to that are absolutely NWO. Centralization won't help.

[lightgiver]

Just bloody google project venus,for goodness sake:p it is not a new idea,more like an elitist nwo idea.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

[hirschfelder]

Have you read the previous posts:confused:;)


Yes. When I said that I thought "it" came from Z2 I was referring to my knowledge of the technology, not the technology itself

[romas]

I cannot still understand why people are raving about this project venus.

Our society is shit because have the idiots who run the show,and until we get these idiots sorted out,there will never be any change.

GETTING BACK TO NATURE IS THE ANSWER,and using green technology's in conjunction with nature,not flippin robots.

does any one really believe the elites want to share the same space as us.


a) VP is about removing idiots who run the show and let the people who can provide raw data to back their claims to run the show.

b) It's all about using clean energy, your robot argument is irelevant. Do you fear robots, to many sci-fi movies imo.

c) I don't care what elites believe/want/hope, I'm pretty sure I'm on this planet to stop this nonesense even if it's just a small contribution compared, we have to stand united.

d) Technology has never been used for greater good and elites do fear one single thing, if everyone had access to high tech that empowers them, this "elite" of lunatics would become powerless.

[edelweiss pirate]

I think they meant that technology can help improving life and serve humanity. At least I hope they meant that. :eek: I'm eagerly waiting for things like zero point energy technology, true AI and nanotech. :)

But all technology ultimately takes us further away from our core being and deeper into the illusion of maya.....

The technology I use in my life is this forum, and to be honest, I'd much rather be in a pub or a party having these conversations rather than alone in my room.... praying that you pick up on the nuances and don't think I'm just taking the piss.....

The fact that we have to have these conversations on a computer shows how marginalised we all are. That there simply aren't people 'in the real world' who want to talk about this stuff, so we're having to chat in cyberspace... Maybe I'm been too picky... I dunno.

I see very very few examples of technology actually being a force for good.

Look at the television, gene technology... mobile phones..... it's all fucking us up one way or another...

[hirschfelder]

Yes, they do, don't worry :) I just understood that you think that this is Z2 idea or something...

Ah right, cheers.

I was just responding to a post that said the film made no mention of suppressed technology, now I'm getting wikipedia articles about fancy trains posted to me

I'm having a bad day

[lightgiver]

a) VP is about removing idiots who run the show and let the people who can provide raw data to back their claims to run the show.

b) It's all about using clean energy, your robot argument is irelevant. Do you fear robots, to many sci-fi movies imo.

c) I don't care what elites believe/want/hope, I'm pretty sure I'm on this planet to stop this nonesense even if it's just a small contribution compared, we have to stand united.

d) Technology has never been used for greater good and elites do fear one single thing, if everyone had access to high tech that empowers them, this "elite" of lunatics would become powerless.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

this idea is not new.

a.you mean,more elites running the show.

b.who makes the robots,who services the robots,they will break down,robots gonna grow your food,pick your food maybe you want them to wipe your ass also?

c.agreed

d.how is empowering people with green technology's gonna hurt anyone?unless a solar panel or wind turbine falls on your head,there are tons of ways to make peoples lives easier and better without resorting to some futuristic nonsense,yeah take some elements out of it and combine it with cleaner and greener ways of living,and above all stop all these insane wars created by the banking elite and their lackeys,and when you stop the insanity of war then you are already half way there or maybe more than halfway there.Remember who creates this mess we are in?

The trouble is the elites technology is played out in war.

[lightgiver]

Ah right, cheers.

I was just responding to a post that said the film made no mention of suppressed technology, now I'm getting wikipedia articles about fancy trains posted to me

I'm having a bad day

:D:D,the truth is out there:)

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

[romas]

your right binkbonk, I think both these guys could go round and round biting each others backside for ever,

this zeitgeist fellow is building a wall around his consciousness and Aj has not got the knowledge to point it out,



Peter Joseph was discussing material survival of people of this planet, it wasn't about spiritual ideas and concepts, though it will be the basis for this VP-like society to emerge, it's only when we aknowledge that we are all this wonderfull energy/spirit/soul and there's nothing to fight over among each other that it will work.

Then a primitive guy that he is Alex goes on how it's natural to struggle and demonstrate ego and he demonstrates that very well, to bad it makes him look like a raging teenager.

[edelweiss pirate]

Peter Joseph was discussing material survival of people of this planet, it wasn't about spiritual ideas and concepts, though it will be the basis for this VP-like society to emerge, it's only when we aknowledge that we are all this wonderfull energy/spirit/soul and there's nothing to fight over among each other that it will work.

Then a primitive guy that he is Alex goes on how it's natural to struggle and demonstrate ego and he demonstrates that very well, to bad it makes him look like a raging teenager.

You're missing something here. Most of us here can join the dots. Why can't you?

You call Alex Jones a primitive guy? What are you the ubermench then?

Alex Jones is more a man that I'll ever be.... I know I'm pretty great but I have the humility to accept that even my greatness has limits....

Do you Romas?

Are you going to be the first to wear the chocolate coated jackboot of zeitgeist neo-marxism?

Some people... I just can't believe how some people's heads work, I'm trying to put myself in your shoes Romas and it actually hurts..... I just don't get it...

Are you hypnotised by Zeitgeist's fancy music and production values like the typical TV slave?

Or is it the genuine utopia message that you are falling for....

There never has been nor ever will be a utopia, it's a trap for those who want something for nothing...

The thing is whenever they promise utopia you get more than you bargained for everytime...

Does the message of population reduction not strike you as chilling?

Or is that editted out to be replaced by more trancy Zeitgeist music... to calm and lull the senses as you anticpate a life of ease in which you won't have to work worry or do anything because the zeitgeist fairy is giving you the earth....

That is providing you fit the criteria for continued survival.....

[Anders Lindman]

But all technology ultimately takes us further away from our core being and deeper into the illusion of maya.....

The technology I use in my life is this forum, and to be honest, I'd much rather be in a pub or a party having these conversations rather than alone in my room.... praying that you pick up on the nuances and don't think I'm just taking the piss.....

The fact that we have to have these conversations on a computer shows how marginalised we all are. That there simply aren't people 'in the real world' who want to talk about this stuff, so we're having to chat in cyberspace... Maybe I'm been too picky... I dunno.

I see very very few examples of technology actually being a force for good.

Look at the television, gene technology... mobile phones..... it's all fucking us up one way or another...

That's what I meant by my other post. When we add new things, then that doesn't mean we should abandon previous things. If I have a super-advanced anti-gravity car it doesn't mean I can't enjoy taking a walk in nature, free from any technology. And if I have a matter compiler that can manifest a pint of beer for free it doesn't mean I wouldn't rather go to an old-fashioned pub.

[romas]

[QUOTE=lightgiver;562711]

this idea is not new. - No, but untill some one gives me an idea that provides basic material survival NOT just for them but for everyone, that includes friggin eskimos to, then I will debate it.

a) ... who do you think will determine how much fresh water is available? Is geologist an elite? Your mind is clouded with abstract concepts and fear/distrust. This geologist guy will have to realise that he and his family is part of greater family of humanity and there's no point to mislead anyone, he will just provide raw data XXXXXXXXXXX cubic tonnes of water in XXX location, that's it. Then logictics engineer will simply build a delivery system.

b) Yes, it's a toilet that gently poars water over the specific area, you would be free to use manual wiping if you required so xD
I can see your mental image breaking now, no it wasnt a bypedal robot I had in mind sorry, robot is a term used for autonomous machine, not a bypedal cyborg to wipe peoples butts ._.

c) Awesome, we're making progress step by step :)

d) If you read my post, read VP again, it clearly says abudance for all people renders elite powerless, yes that includes eskimos who can have self sutained houses and connection to world wide web and because of technology they have alot of free time so they can join this debate and make the world better place.



The trouble is the elites technology is played out in war.

Their technology is to indoctrinate people from cradle to grave with information they want them to live by, you base your thoughts on information around you and that's how social controll works.

[grenadene]

Why is everyone so paranoid about technology? The technology we already have could be used to reduce everyones working week to about 2 hours.. instead of this companies 'downsize' to maximise profits. At present scientists only research areas where funding is available... so most of our most recent inventions have been very sinister...:( not all techologies must be implanted ;)

[twistedconcept]

Technology itself isn't inherently bad. Progression is always needed. We need to harness and use it in a responsible manner, without becoming too attached to it.

Unfortunately, people have neglected their social focus, and we're all slowly becoming robots. The vast majority of people aren't interested in being together now. Video games, for example, distract kids from socializing with their fellow human beings.

The Zeitgeist bloke was stating that money is the root of all major problems. What does he propose? People need an incentive to work. A certain economic system needs to be in place.

[romas]

You're missing something here. Most of us here can join the dots. Why can't you?

You call Alex Jones a primitive guy? What are you the ubermench then?

Alex Jones is more a man that I'll ever be.... I know I'm pretty great but I have the humility to accept that even my greatness has limits....

Do you Romas?

Are you going to be the first to wear the chocolate coated jackboot of zeitgeist neo-marxism?

Some people... I just can't believe how some people's heads work, I'm trying to put myself in your shoes Romas and it actually hurts..... I just don't get it...


What dots did you join? Why do you use term "us" there is no "us" it's you voicing your opinion against mine, because you felt you need to defend Alex.

I'm not uber, but somehow I survived flawed indoctrinations from east and from west, I guess the source of both is one, but I'm just saying this to make my point.

Yes Alex Jones is primitive guy, he does a good job yelling on radio and waking select audience up, but that's about it, he looks like a total moron to anyone who just tunes in, he scares intellectuals away and he scares young audience away.
There's even an argument he has jesuit issued agenda or something along those lines, William Cooper who I think is a good bit smarter than Alex has actually accused him of being a shill, it's pretty basic, but he does have some things to back it up. I'm not going with this accusation, I don't take sides in this matter, just giving you my perspective.

Your neo-marxism accusations are primitive, I see no intelligent argument how you base your ideas, it's assumption based.

Please stop trying to patronize me, because you feel Alex is so great. You couldn't possibly imagine how it is in my shoes as I couldn't do same for you, we are experiencing this subjectively and that's what our opinions are subjective.

[strt]

a) ... who do you think will determine how much fresh water is available? Is geologist an elite? Your mind is clouded with abstract concepts and fear/distrust. This geologist guy will have to realise that he and his family is part of greater family of humanity and there's no point to mislead anyone, he will just provide raw data XXXXXXXXXXX cubic tonnes of water in XXX location, that's it. Then logictics engineer will simply build a delivery system.

Who determines where delivery system goes? Who determines if you live on the hill, near water delivery system or I live at the same exact spot? You can't distribute water evenly everywhere -- you simply can't create exact distribution of goods all over the globe, if you want to include all the goods. So distribution centers? OK, do you live near one or I live on the same spot?

[zero1]

The Zeitgeist bloke was stating that money is the root of all major problems.

He's right, it is.

What does he propose?

Alternatives will emerge slowly. He proposes what the Venus Project does.

People need an incentive to work.

This is not true. The "incentive" is really for compliance, not labour value.

A certain economic system needs to be in place.

Sure it does. Just not the Finance Capitalist one.

[romas]

Alex is the one in the closed box in this case, hes been beating his own drum beat for so long he cant hear anything outside of his own mind anymore.


Exactly.



"The people need to be re-educated" that was his point. It sounds like programming the public what he and Icke are trying to de-program so that people can educate themselves with an open mind. re-educating the public doesn't mean "the public should come to their own conclusions". re-educating doesn't mean deprogramming or freedom of speech. it does mean high school history doctrination again and again.
have a look here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38817


If I told you rocks can be magnetised and you believed me without going and checking it out it is indoctrination, on a more complex scale if some one tells you there are reptillians in between densities and you blindly believe, without shadow of a doubt, then you are indoctrinated.

If you are inclined to construct a mental image of "re-education" as an evil act done by "sinister force" that you can't even pinpoint, well then sure it sounds pretty bad.

I could sit through a lecture from some one smart like Jacque Fresco and I could learn alot of new concepts and at the end if he said there is no spirit in me, I would tell him that I just dont buy it ;)

[romas]

Who determines where delivery system goes? Who determines if you live on the hill, near water delivery system or I live at the same exact spot? You can't distribute water evenly everywhere -- you simply can't create exact distribution of goods all over the globe, if you want to include all the goods. So distribution centers? OK, do you live near one or I live on the same spot?


Do you want me to build you a perfect water delivery system to prove my point? :eek:

[xdnax]

I cannot still understand why people are raving about this project venus..


venus??

check out this definition of LUCIFER

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lucifer


"1—used as a name of the devil
2: the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star"

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[strt]

Do you want me to build you a perfect water delivery system to prove my point? :eek:

Of course not.

Even in 'venus society' there must be some way to plan where you can live and where I can live. We can't build our houses on the exact same spot and there is one perfect spot on the same hill. So who, by your opinion regulates this?

If somebody regulates this, how we can avoid same old story of corruption? It's not important if money is not there and we have all the water we need -- let's say we want to live at the exact same place, how our despute can be regulated in perfect society?

Another example: there is perfect new gardening tool and everybody wants it. Do we all throw our v.1 tools and take v.2 immediately (b/c we all want it)? Does factory wait for 8bn tools to be made before they let it on the distribution channels? If not and there is one v.2 gardening tool left in stock, assuming that you and me arrive at distribution center at the same time, who gets it?

Water delivery system is similar example: we all want to live on the same bank of the perfect lake because water tastes good there. Approximately 1 million of us. How do we do it?

[grenadene]

venus??

check out this definition of LUCIFER

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lucifer


"1—used as a name of the devil
2: the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star"

:eek::eek::eek::eek:


Does the 'devil' have to lurk in absolutely everything :confused:

[lightgiver]

venus??

check out this definition of LUCIFER

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lucifer


"1—used as a name of the devil
2: the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star"

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Yes,i am aware, thanks any how:)

lucifer

Lu·ci·fer Listen to the pronunciation of Lucifer
Pronunciation:
\ˈlü-sə-fər\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, the Devil, from Old English, from Latin, the morning star, from lucifer light-bearing, from luc-, lux light + -fer -ferous — more at light
Date:
before 12th century

1—used as a name of the devil2: the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star3not capitalized : a friction match having as active substances antimony sulfide and potassium chlorate
— Lu·ci·fe·ri·an Listen to the pronunciation of Luciferian \ˌlü-sə-ˈfir-ē-ən\ adjective

in classical mythology, the morning star (i.e., the planet Venus at dawn); personified as a male figure bearing a torch, Lucifer had almost no legend, but in poetry he was often herald of the dawn. In Christian times Lucifer came to be regarded as the name of Satan before his fall. It was thus used by John Milton (1608–74) in Paradise Lost, and the idea underlies the proverbial phrase “as proud as Lucifer.”

http://www.thevenusproject.com who is gonna build this venus project,seeing they do not want people working?there is nothing wrong with a bit of work,as long it is in moderation,with fair wages and descent conditions.

The devil will find work for idle hands to do;)

:eek::eek::eek:

[grenadene]

I'm just listening to the interview now on refeed

I'm finding Alex Jones a bit of a ranting bully these days, he's bigging himself up just a bit too much for my liking now.... he's wasted a really good opportunity to gain some common ground amongst all of us that have a common enemy

pompous arrogant dickhead :mad:

[xdnax]

maaaaaaaan,,,,,,alex jones is soooooo fuckin entertaining.
i listen 2 what he has 2 say, and do my own thinking for myself.....but the way he chats???? oh wow. its sooooooooo insanely cool lol (he's verging on childish in some parts tho)
this is a good interview.

[ownedtbh]

hes acting like a dickhead and wont let the guy speak i agree with what Peter Joseph is saying the world will never change in the system we live in.

[xdnax]

i'd love 2 hear some1 like alan watt have alex jones' popularity. that'd be cool 2 see him interview all these people.

[lightgiver]

I'm just listening to the interview now on refeed

I'm finding Alex Jones a bit of a ranting bully these days, he's bigging himself up just a bit too much for my liking now.... he's wasted a really good opportunity to gain some common ground amongst all of us that have a common enemy

pompous arrogant dickhead :mad:

He is probably pissed off:confused:only time will tell who is right or wrong.

[romas]

Of course not.

Even in 'venus society' there must be some way to plan where you can live and where I can live. We can't build our houses on the exact same spot and there is one perfect spot on the same hill. So who, by your opinion regulates this?

If somebody regulates this, how we can avoid same old story of corruption? It's not important if money is not there and we have all the water we need -- let's say we want to live at the exact same place, how our despute can be regulated in perfect society?

Another example: there is perfect new gardening tool and everybody wants it. Do we all throw our v.1 tools and take v.2 immediately (b/c we all want it)? Does factory wait for 8bn tools to be made before they let it on the distribution channels? If not and there is one v.2 gardening tool left in stock, assuming that you and me arrive at distribution center at the same time, who gets it?

Water delivery system is similar example: we all want to live on the same bank of the perfect lake because water tastes good there. Approximately 1 million of us. How do we do it?



This is going back to the basic principals of co-existance. Two people wanting same job, same partner etc. If 1 million people want to live in the same exact spot then no one is going to live there, better solution than having one million people kill each other to live in that spot, yes?

Wasn't there an old chinese story about two people wanting same cat and in the end a wise man cut the cat in two to teach them a lesson?

This is why I said many times, only enlightened society will achieve this.

[romas]

Yes,i am aware, thanks any how:)

lucifer

Lu·ci·fer Listen to the pronunciation of Lucifer
Pronunciation:
\ˈlü-sə-fər\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, the Devil, from Old English, from Latin, the morning star, from lucifer light-bearing, from luc-, lux light + -fer -ferous — more at light
Date:
before 12th century

1—used as a name of the devil2: the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star3not capitalized : a friction match having as active substances antimony sulfide and potassium chlorate
— Lu·ci·fe·ri·an Listen to the pronunciation of Luciferian \ˌlü-sə-ˈfir-ē-ən\ adjective

in classical mythology, the morning star (i.e., the planet Venus at dawn); personified as a male figure bearing a torch, Lucifer had almost no legend, but in poetry he was often herald of the dawn. In Christian times Lucifer came to be regarded as the name of Satan before his fall. It was thus used by John Milton (1608–74) in Paradise Lost, and the idea underlies the proverbial phrase “as proud as Lucifer.”

http://www.thevenusproject.com who is gonna build this venus project,seeing they do not want people working?there is nothing wrong with a bit of work,as long it is in moderation,with fair wages and descent conditions.

The devil will find work for idle hands to do;)

:eek::eek::eek:



Here is some food for thought, prove me that concepts sold by Roman Church are the truth. See this indoctrination by corrupt system and I don't buy the whole Freemasonry either, I don't see enough conclusive evidence by either side.
Reality is so much more complex than simply putting stickers "good" and "evil" on a whole group of people. Terms like satan lucifer, angels demons etc are meaningless abstractions.
Some one can interpret them as aspects of mind/instincts etc. and some say they are interdimentional beings or whatever, but it's all so lose.

Have we moved far from witch hunting days?

[twistedconcept]

He's right, it is.



Alternatives will emerge slowly. He proposes what the Venus Project does.



This is not true. The "incentive" is really for compliance, not labour value.



Sure it does. Just not the Finance Capitalist one.

I'd disagree. The love of money is the problem. Religion, for example, isn't the sole problem of war. People use religion and money for their own benefits. It's a test of character to resist corruption and greed.

I don't know enough about that. I'll have to look into it.

People won't work for nothing. They need something to aim for. The reward doesn't necessarily have to be financial.

I agree. Who decides the system?

[grenadene]

He is probably pissed off:confused:only time will tell who is right or wrong.

I'm cringing as I listen.... :(

[terranigma]

i listen 2 what he has 2 say, and do my own thinking for myself.....
Hell yeah, from time to time he really went apeshit. Guy got to control his temper...

[dangermouse]

ooh no dont come for me on Z day ... Re-education ...

lol pmsl :D

[reptileslayer]

That old Jew on the new zeitgeist video is a new Marx.....

If enough people swallow this nonsense we'll all be exterminated because we failed to read the small print of his Utopia manifesto.

I totally agree. In my view Peter Joseph, is an arty fary fool, or a disinfo agent.

[london_lad_84]

Zeitgeist author believes we have no souls? Is he nuts?

Does he ignore all the reports and experiences from people going to other dimensional planes and other paranormal evidences? Merely that gives evidential results from research he could have done, hence he can not claim to be a researcher.

Experiencing gravedoubts about Zeitgeist now.


Peter Joseph didn't say that...... Your just behaving like some others, hearing what you want to hear... Alex jones said he did and Peter never stated that was the case.


Alex Jones came accross rather primitive monkeyesque and Peter Joseph came accross very spiritually developed and future thinking, as albert einstein said, you cant solve a problem with the same level of consciousness that created it! Humanity needs to develop on mass to change the current corrupt system to a more peaceful abundant resourced one.

People who have heard this interview and seen Zeitgeist Addendum cannot seriously state Peter Joseph is an Illuminati pawn, In MY opinion he is clearly a genuine detractor of the brotherhood and thinks he has the solution, the peaceful solution to get us away out of the clutches of those sick people, WHETHER YOU believe Peter Joseph is going the correct way about it or not is ANOTHER matter, YOUR truth is your truth HIS TRUTH his truth and i agree with him about the general direction he thinks humanity needs to go to improve as a society.

My truth is that there is no way in hell Peter is working for or being mind controlled in anyway, i find that idea ludicrus from the movie i have seen and the interviews i have heard from him, which are several.

Also, stop hating, he is clearly trying to help make this place a healthier, safer, happier place to live in lets come together as he has suggested and do this. I think he is right, money and police/army help illuminati enforce their agenda and without it and the state they cannot operate!

Ok ill end it there, i think we can all agree surely that we are trying to reach the same place, right, i think peter joseph included! and that is a peaceful planet and freedom for everyone?

[binkbonk]

Because wo do have no souls. This is an idea perpetuated by a fear of death.I will agree with that...

And to take it a step further, I think the idea and feeling that we have a soul is possibly a misinterpretation of some certain fundamental feeling inside us that helps us in our survival. An optimistic gene, maybe... An optimistic feeling in our brains that helps us accomplish goals and just make it through the day. An optimistic feeling we have as a species that without, we wouldn't be able to evolve. A feeling inside our brain that tells us, "anything is possible" (even life after death). I think, possibly, we misinterpret that undefinable feeling as a spiritual connection to our higher selves. I believe it could be a minor form of insanity that exists in all of us. And we label it spirituality.

We are all crazy!

That said. This is only one of my many hypotheses on the subject of spirituality, and life in general. Obviously, I won't find out till I'm dead... But if the "minor insanity" thesis is correct, I'll never know... Unless, of course I'm wrong. :rolleyes:

[duckingdafta]

:mad:Because wo do have no souls. This is an idea perpetuated by a fear of death.

you're a shill...fuck off now away from my screen..and i don't get these things wrong believe me!:mad:

[knightbk]

The Zeitgeist thing is a load of crap overall.

[mightiswrong]

Nature is love. Technology no. Money isn't necessary love is a powerful motivating force. In the ringing cedars series there is a story about young love and how the little girl was motivated by love to learn about herbs and plants and singing and how to make a space of love (http://www.traveluzion.com/discuss/index.php?topic=172.0) for her desired. Anastasia's dream is coming true. The technocracy is falling.

[whatistruth]

Whatever you think about Alex's delivery, you have to admit he's right fundimentally.

PJ either fails to realise or acknowledge his venus project, as nice as it sounds, isn't feasable with a corrupt elete running things.
He provides no solutions and all his calls do is benefit the NWO who would surely use this as a pretext to further control us, its akin to the well meaning idiots of the global warming cult.

[kamakazi]

People who have heard this interview and seen Zeitgeist Addendum cannot seriously state Peter Joseph is an Illuminati pawn, In MY opinion he is clearly a genuine detractor of the brotherhood and thinks he has the solution, the peaceful solution to get us away out of the clutches of those sick people, WHETHER YOU believe Peter Joseph is going the correct way about it or not is ANOTHER matter, YOUR truth is your truth HIS TRUTH his truth and i agree with him about the general direction he thinks humanity needs to go to improve as a society.

My truth is that there is no way in hell Peter is working for or being mind controlled in anyway, i find that idea ludicrus from the movie i have seen and the interviews i have heard from him, which are several.

Also, stop hating, he is clearly trying to help make this place a healthier, safer, happier place to live in lets come together as he has suggested and do this. I think he is right, money and police/army help illuminati enforce their agenda and without it and the state they cannot operate!

Ok ill end it there, i think we can all agree surely that we are trying to reach the same place, right, i think peter joseph included! and that is a peaceful planet and freedom for everyone?

couldnt agree more

[danster82]

"The people need to be re-educated" that was his point. It sounds like programming the public what he and Icke are trying to de-program so that people can educate themselves with an open mind. re-educating the public doesn't mean "the public should come to their own conclusions". re-educating doesn't mean deprogramming or freedom of speech. it does mean high school history doctrination again and again.

have a look here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38817

No it doesnt mean that, re-education is just a word this is what i am trying to point out, you define what it means not anyone else but because you have defined it as something negative which you have actually proved to me in your own reply then you now taint anyone who uses that word or you taint them with that word, do you understand how primitive that is and how much of a trap you can put youself in simply with these definitions of words? you've skillfully jumped from we dont re-educate we deprogram well thats just a play on words they mean exactly the same thing but because youve attached a negative or positive attribute to either one.

What would the process be to deprogram someone? you would have to re-educate them on the truth, but then what if your deprogramming someone who's come to know a truth and you dont want them to then your re-educating them with a lie.

My point is these are just two words and you can see how much of a misunderstanding you get into with them and so if you now apply them to all words its quite a mess right? And so that why I see it as totally childish argument to use words and terms against someone to suggest they must be a NWO shill(which was the main process Alex was doing in that interview).

[helpus]

i missed this interview, anyone know where i can get a copy to watch or listen too??

[astro zombie]

Zeitgeist author believes we have no souls? Is he nuts?

Does he ignore all the reports and experiences from people going to other dimensional planes and other paranormal evidences? Merely that gives evidential results from research he could have done, hence he can not claim to be a researcher.

Experiencing gravedoubts about Zeitgeist now.

Yeah me too. I remember after people voiced suspicions after the first one i thought it was kinda silly, but now after this sequel i'm not so sure.

The Venus Project just seems kinda eerie to me.

[astro zombie]

i missed this interview, anyone know where i can get a copy to watch or listen too??

I'm sure this is gonna be on youtube or google vid soon

or you can try www.nwO.info

it's still streaming on the infowars site.

[romas]

Alex Jones is interested more in the fight itself to prove his righteus ego than providing solutions, this where alot of people get stuck seeing "demons" everywhere.

[twistedconcept]

They were both as bad as each other. Both of them were throwing around childish insults.

It was still a very entertaining discussion.

[phonicboom]

Peter Joseph wins

[dangermouse]

AJ wins surely,
But in reality they both lost :p
The answer is probably somewhere in between ;)

[stelios]

Peter Joseph is of Ashkenazi background just like Karl Marx and Lenin and Trotski. He may have rejected his religion but the communist utopia he is selling is the same as his forefathers did in their day.
Everywhere in the world where they have gone for this zeitgeist inspired lifestyle has become a hell hole.
North Korea, Pol Pot, Mao, etc
Communism or whatever it is being called is evil.

I think Alex Jones outed Peter Joseph and showed him up badly.
Throughout the debate Joseph refused to condemn the zionist controlled illuminati NWO

[eternal_spirit]

Whatever you think about Alex's delivery, you have to admit he's right fundimentally.

PJ either fails to realise or acknowledge his venus project, as nice as it sounds, isn't feasable with a corrupt elete running things.
He provides no solutions and all his calls do is benefit the NWO who would surely use this as a pretext to further control us, its akin to the well meaning idiots of the global warming cult.
Yes.

Here's some keywords
It's the same people funding Venus (NGO's) Rothschild/Rockefeller the UN, Agenda 21 as the global warming scam, they value Trees more than humans life. Maurice Strong and the Green Movement.
Put people in one place and it makes them easier to control. With holding food is the easiest form of control that's why Monsanto have seed banks/terminator seeds and patents and a hand full of interconnected companies own ALL the Earth's natural resources.

So easy from them to storm a Venus project with guns and ship out all the food.

[northern_light]

i missed this interview, anyone know where i can get a copy to watch or listen too??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y83cEzFWa_8&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tseS3TzU9JY&feature=user


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY3-NisHKRY&feature=user


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqf1BI3-VG8&feature=user


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zv5t_Cr6H4&feature=user

Alex Jones once again interrupts and screams his way trough an interview, I wish he could keep it together just once. In my opinion Peter Joseph is definatley making the most sense. Alex is obviously defending his love for religion, money and patriotism. Fortunatley he calmed down a little in the end. I get the impression AJ only wants a "NWO light" while Joseph is suggesting something new.

[grenadene]

Peter Joseph is of Ashkenazi background just like Karl Marx and Lenin and Trotski. He may have rejected his religion but the communist utopia he is selling is the same as his forefathers did in their day.
Everywhere in the world where they have gone for this zeitgeist inspired lifestyle has become a hell hole.
North Korea, Pol Pot, Mao, etc
Communism or whatever it is being called is evil.

I think Alex Jones outed Peter Joseph and showed him up badly.
Throughout the debate Joseph refused to condemn the zionist controlled illuminati NWO

Its a funny old world, because to me Alex Jones put himself across as a narrow minded, argumentative bully who deliberately misunderstood and misquoted everything out of context. I thought Peter Joseph handled the self titled 'conspiracy king' incredibly well considering he probably thought he'd turned up for a reasoned debate.... you know the kind where the interviewer actually listens and comments upon what is actually said? I think there's more than a little ego involved towards the 'new kid on the block'.

Is it possible to have any social responsibility without being branded a communist, it was the 'free market' (only its far from free) that cultivated the multinational corporations in the first place.

As for failing to mention the 'zionists' its maybe because he can see past a handfull of people ruling the world and look at the masses whose collective decisions make up the society we live in. You have to empower all individuals not just the angry american ones.

[steevo]

Peter Joseph uses strawman arguments and tries to discredit Alex Jones THE PERSON rather than the information. Peter Joseph says things like "scientists have PROVED that it is human nature to fight EACH OTHER for survival" whereas, Alex Jones says that we have been MANIPULATED into fighting each other. I agree with Alex Jones. But later on Peter Joseph seems to change his mind but he acts as though Alex Jones is wrong somehow :cool:

Peter Joseph appears to be very closed minded and uses Logical Fallacies throughout the discussion. I dont blame Alex Jones getting pissed off. Logical Fallacies have been designed to wind people up. Peter Joseph talked like a politician. He doesnt seem right to me.

Peter Joseph seemed to want to steer truthers away from the truth - HE seems to have the attitude that if it isnt mentioned in Zeitgeist then it must be irrellivent. He seems to think that the NWO has no relevence.

It's all well and good that we can all have different opinions but why would anyone who gives a shit about his fellow man want to APPARANTLY try to cause divisions in the truth movement ?

[helpus]

Thank you northern_light - going to watch now :)

[devanshoom]

i think both alex and the zeitgeist dude mean well....they dont see eye to eye but its just differing ideologies. Alex is a capitalist to the core and he cant see any other way...the other guy does sound like a marxist...but then marxism is not a bad thing...it's great in theory but it just gets corrupted by people.

The zeitgeist guy comes across as more reasonable than alex, i have to say. But the solutions he offers in zeitgeist 2 could only work if the current global elite are toppled.

Alex and that guy ought to look for things they agree on and unite...instead of arguing about crap on the internet. Gotta be revolution before anything good will ever happen on this planet.

[steevo]

i think both alex and the zeitgeist dude mean well....they dont see eye to eye but its just differing ideologies. Alex is a capitalist to the core and he cant see any other way...the other guy does sound like a marxist...but then marxism is not a bad thing...it's great in theory but it just gets corrupted by people.

The zeitgeist guy comes across as more reasonable than alex, i have to say. But the solutions he offers in zeitgeist 2 could only work if the current global elite are toppled.

Alex and that guy ought to look for things they agree on and unite...instead of arguing about crap on the internet. Gotta be revolution before anything good will ever happen on this planet.

Peter Joseph seemed criticise EVERYTHING that Alex Jones said. PJ has a massive ego and unfortunately the ego is getting in the way of sense. He talked almost absolute bollocks in my opinion.

Why was that video named Zeitgeist ? That name alone is enough to put people off. No-one has a clue what that word means generally speaking. It sounds like a Jewish/German word and it makes it sound like a video that a crazy nazi would watch. So why the fuck did he (or whoever) pick that title ? I know what the word means BTW but I DID have to look it up a long while ago. I never really recommend that video to anyone cos it didnt resonate with me enough for me to recommend it. Correction - I did recommend it once to someone when I first watched it but not since. JUST MY OPINION.

[twistedconcept]

Although I didn't agree with the way Alex handled the interview, Peter Joseph brought it on himself with his arrogant manner.

[twistedconcept]

Alex is really ripping into it now, claiming that he was too nice. He states that he'll be doing a lot of research on the film and make a 20 minute documentary on the web.

I haven't watched the film yet, but it sounds as if it's promoting the new world order/illuminati.

[devanshoom]

sorry i should have listened to the whole thing before commenting...i only caught the last 20 minutes of that interview...my comments were based on that.

[dangermouse]

Alex covering more in next hour

[steevo]

Alex covering more in next hour

I'm listening live now.

[devanshoom]

can someone paste the link to the live broadcast....please:D

[strt]

can someone paste the link to the live broadcast....please:D

http://www.infowars.com/audiobox.html

[danster82]

"scientists have PROVED that it is human nature to fight EACH OTHER for survival" whereas, Alex Jones says that we have been MANIPULATED into fighting each other

Steevo are you kidding me? its the otherway round the Majority of the debate is Alex saying that its human nature and Peter saying its the result of the system. And thats what the majority of Zeitgeist was about how the system pits us against each other and so the evils we see are the conditions not the cause. I cant imagine how you come to the total opposite conclusion.

[steevo]

Steevo are you kidding me? its the otherway round the Majority of the debate is Alex saying that its human nature and Peter saying its the result of the system. And thats what the majority of Zeitgeist was about how the system pits us against each other and so the evils we see are the conditions not the cause. I cant imagine how you come to the total opposite conclusion.

No I'm not kidding you. Peter Joseph was mixed up. He said one thing and then the other, and Alex Jones' view was that we are being MANIPULATED to fight one another.

[lorenxx]

Steevo are you kidding me? its the otherway round the Majority of the debate is Alex saying that its human nature and Peter saying its the result of the system. And thats what the majority of Zeitgeist was about how the system pits us against each other and so the evils we see are the conditions not the cause. I cant imagine how you come to the total opposite conclusion.

Exactly thats what i heard! It was totally that way around, with Alex saying how it was our genetics and Peter saying it's conditioned.
I really dont like what alex is doing now on the show and how he put up those 'reviews' of zietgiest on his website, they are total crap.

[lorenxx]

No I'm not kidding you. Peter Joseph was mixed up. He said one thing and then the other, and Alex Jones' view was that we are being MANIPULATED to fight one another.

No it really wasn't.

[steevo]

Exactly thats what i heard! It was totally that way around, with Alex saying how it was our genetics and Peter saying it's conditioned.
I really dont like what alex is doing now on the show and how he put up those 'reviews' of zietgiest on his website, they are total crap.

I disagree.

[lorenxx]

I disagree.

Thats nice. As long as you dont start calling me names and shouting like Alex jones would :)

[steevo]

No it really wasn't.

We will agree have to disagree on this one then. OK ? I wont argue about it. I have said my bit on that. I dont mind discussing stuff but I'm not arguing on this cos it's clear that we wont agree so I'm not wasting my time.

I'm not a fan of Zeitgeist. I'm NOT saying that the video is TOTAL bullshit but I'm not interested in it at all. If you like that video then that's fine with me.

[steevo]

Thats nice. As long as you dont start calling me names and shouting like Alex jones would :)

Anyone who doesnt like Zeitgeist is critised by certain people on here.

I dont like Zeitgeist. Move on.

[dangermouse]

ok Venus Project .. why Venus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
In Latin, the word "Lucifer", meaning "Light-Bringer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), is a name for the "Morning Star" (the planet Venus in its dawn appearances; cf. Romanian Luceafăr).


getting clearer now?

[strt]

Alex again has some valid points - pretty well defines why Z2 fired warning signs while I was looking it.

[twistedconcept]

Alex is going into great deal.

[chris]

Okay. I'm glad the Peter Joseph has came on Alex and really fleshed things out for me...To be honest, I am quite impressed with his style and approach...

I'm starting to understand a little bit more what he's calling for. Please will the Zietgiest people comfirm these statements for me whether it's correct or not...(please no semantical games)

1. The Venus Project is not a government but more of a lifestyle to be joined volentarily.

2. The Venus Project is not the perfect system but a natural progression of the species once the people become more enlightened.

[grenadene]

Okay. I'm glad the Peter Joseph has came on Alex and really fleshed things out for me...To be honest, I am quite impressed with his style and approach...

I'm starting to understand a little bit more what he's calling for. Please will the Zietgiest people comfirm these statements for me whether it's correct or not...(please no semantical games)

1. The Venus Project is not a government but more of a lifestyle to be joined volentarily.

2. The Venus Project is not the perfect system but a natural progression of the species once the people become more enlightened.

For whats its worth....that really how i see it :)

[elirien]

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4447857/Alex.Jones.Show.2008.10.15-chakra71

The mp3 ;)

[grenadene]

I"m just listening to Alex Jones now.... and it actually makes me quite sad

he is spouting utter drivel with his ridiculous voices - is the man posessed?

This 'nature v nurture' debate is going to fracture the 'truth movement'

Alex Jones is wrong (imho) on this :(

[lorenxx]

For whats its worth....that really how i see it :)

same

I"m just listening to Alex Jones now.... and it actually makes me quite sad
This 'nature v nurture' debate is going to fracture the 'truth movement'

Alex Jones is wrong (imho) on this :(

and i agree

[dangermouse]

Jones is 100% on the ball ...

[steevo]

Okay. I'm glad the Peter Joseph has came on Alex and really fleshed things out for me...To be honest, I am quite impressed with his style and approach...

I'm starting to understand a little bit more what he's calling for. Please will the Zietgiest people comfirm these statements for me whether it's correct or not...(please no semantical games)

1. The Venus Project is not a government but more of a lifestyle to be joined volentarily.

2. The Venus Project is not the perfect system but a natural progression of the species once the people become more enlightened.

I disagree.

Hmmm...Peter Joseph seems to have caused a divide in the the Truth Movement.

[chris]

Okay. I'm glad the Peter Joseph has came on Alex and really fleshed things out for me...To be honest, I am quite impressed with his style and approach...

I'm starting to understand a little bit more what he's calling for. Please will the Zietgiest people comfirm these statements for me whether it's correct or not...(please no semantical games)

1. The Venus Project is not a government but more of a lifestyle to be joined volentarily.

2. The Venus Project is not the perfect system but a natural progression of the species once the people become more enlightened.

For whats its worth....that really how i see it :)

If that's really the goal of Zeitgeist then was it really worth including the Venus Project at all? Shouldn't he have spent more time on how to raise our consciouness so that we are able to fathom the Venus Project? Since admittedly it will never work without that level of understanding.

How come he takes us on a tangent and misses the most important part of implementing the Venus Project?

[strt]

How come he takes us on a tangent and misses the most important part of implementing the Venus Project?

True, something does not match there.

[steevo]

If that's really the goal of Zeitgeist then was it really worth including the Venus Project at all? Shouldn't he have spent more time on how to raise our consciouness so that we are able to fathom the Venus Project? Since admittedly it will never work without that level of understanding.

How come he takes us on a tangent and misses the most important part of implementing the Venus Project?

Is the Venus Project in the new religion ? It sounds like it.

[twistedconcept]

A lifestyle to be joined voluntarily? Joseph states that people who aren't interest in the Venus Project would have to be 're-conditioned'. It seems to me like he's projecting and forcing his views on others, in much the same way that organised religion does.

[a new reality awaits]

We have to look into the people that are actually in the film. Alex isn't just knocking this to knock it. The individuals in Zeitgeist are connected to the Theosophical Society. This is clear Illuminati religion.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Ts_seal.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society

I think the seal proves the point. David would have a field day with that one. Now I'm sure of my prior post.

The Zeitgeist movement = The Illuminati movement

Remember... two sides that appear to be fighting each other that are working to the same end. Think about this before you start supporting it.

[grenadene]

If that's really the goal of Zeitgeist then was it really worth including the Venus Project at all? Shouldn't he have spent more time on how to raise our consciouness so that we are able to fathom the Venus Project? Since admittedly it will never work without that level of understanding.

How come he takes us on a tangent and misses the most important part of implementing the Venus Project?

I believe he takes this approach because it gives people an actual structured example of just how good it can be. Living as we do its pretty hard to imagine what would have happened if technology had been used for the greater good and not just to line the pockets of a few... not always the inventors either.

Maybe the consciousness raising stuff will appear in z3 there's only so much stuff you can fit into 2 hours :) the stuff on finance was essential the VP gave us a bit of relief from the doom and gloom. It isn't portrayed as perfect it just gives us some idea of how things could be if we ditched this rather abstract money stuff. Ideological yes.. immunati?.. i doubt it :)

[and justice for all]

Although I don't agree with Alex 100%, this... what's his face (?) 'Peter Joseph' stinks to high heavens in MHO. Why people speaks so highly of his Zeitgeist video, recommend it to everyone and plaster entire forums about it... is beyond me.

I've tried to sit down and watch it 3 times, and I always get bored and asleep half way through, always thinking in the back of my head: "Man! If you've got a point... make it already". Not to mention; nothing included in the vid is new information whatsoever.

Now it turns out the whole point was to introduce this utopia city?
Oh and by the way... the elite doesn't matter!

"14th of October"... "2012"... "Zeitgeist"... when are we gonna drop the false hope nonsense?

:rolleyes:

[grenadene]

We have to look into the people that are actually in the film. Alex isn't just knocking this to knock it. The individuals in Zeitgeist are connected to the Theosophical Society. This is clear Illuminati religion.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Ts_seal.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society

I think the seal proves the point. David would have a field day with that one. Now I'm sure of my prior post.

The Zeitgeist movement = The Illuminati movement

Remember... two sides that appear to be fighting each other that are working to the same end. Think about this before you start supporting it.

i dont believe 'magic' is evil

but some people are using hidden knowledge for wicked personal gain.

[a new reality awaits]

i dont believe 'magic' is evil

but some people are using hidden knowledge for wicked personal gain.
:confused:

What does 'magic' have to do with anything? The speakers in Zeitgeist are connected to this obviously-Illuminati organization. Hence-- Zeitgeist is an Illuminati piece. Are we all of a sudden supporting them?!:eek:

[grenadene]

A lifestyle to be joined voluntarily? Joseph states that people who aren't interest in the Venus Project would have to be 're-conditioned'. It seems to me like he's projecting and forcing his views on others, in much the same way that organised religion does.

maybe people would lose some of the 'anti social' behaviours if they didn't grow up in such a dysfunctional society? - this doesn't mean the application of electrodes on the head !

evil isn't something that wafts around in the ether waiting for a 'victim' to manifest its illwill, people grow up in situations where either they a - have no choice than to commit crimes or b - have grown up in a culture where it is acceptable.

i believe that we are all mouldable souls according to our environment, we are all victims of circumstances and we should all be measured according to who we are, not where we are born, what job we do etc...

you guys should get yourselves to a few more festivals :)

[chris]

I believe he takes this approach because it gives people an actual structured example of just how good it can be. Living as we do its pretty hard to imagine what would have happened if technology had been used for the greater good and not just to line the pockets of a few... not always the inventors either.

That's all well and good but I found it annoying how he kept knocking all religious beliefs and then gives us a vision without no implementation this by definition is a dogmatic religious belief.

Maybe the consciousness raising stuff will appear in z3 there's only so much stuff you can fit into 2 hours :)

It is like a person describing how beautiful heaven is and then say "Stay tuned next testament to find out how."

the stuff on finance was essential the VP gave us a bit of relief from the doom and gloom. It isn't portrayed as perfect it just gives us some idea of how things could be if we ditched this rather abstract money stuff. Ideological yes.. immunati?.. i doubt it :)

Well this could be done in much more tangible and realistic ways. Imagine if the Venus Project was substituted with a section describing what life could be like if we had X1,000 more buying power (which is very conservative). That too would be a big relief from doom and gloom but it would also not be nearly as controversial and need no mind expansions to comprehend.

I do absolutely love Josephs presentation of ZeitGeist 1&addendum...He is one of the best film makers I've ever seen...Joseph is probably the only person talented enough to fit a good complete overview in 2 hours...

I really wanted to use addendum to advorcate to all my friends and people but I can't and I'm a little dissapointed with this.

[grenadene]

:confused:

What does 'magic' have to do with anything? The speakers in Zeitgeist are connected to this obviously-Illuminati organization. Hence-- Zeitgeist is an Illuminati piece. Are we all of a sudden supporting them?!:eek:

I dont hold with this whole myth and magic, pentagrams and witches and I arent paranoid to believe everything good is in fact too good to be true.

i think the christians used 'satanism' to wipe out all pagan (which means countrymen) beliefs. I dont deny for one minute the symbolism the illuminate use, but I dont think there is a real actual devil for them to summon. That sounds a bit too much like buying into organised religion for me.

If 'magic' ie superanatural powers exist I think they are accessible to all that know the mechanics..... both nice and not so nice :)

[grenadene]

That's all well and good but I found it annoying how he kept knocking all religious beliefs and then gives us a vision without no implementation this by definition is a dogmatic religious belief.



It is like a person describing how beautiful heaven is and then say "Stay tuned next testament to find out how."



Well this could be done in much more tangible and realistic ways. Imagine if the Venus Project was substituted with a section describing what life could be like if we had X1,000 more buying power (which is very conservative). That too would be a big relief from doom and gloom but it would also not be nearly as controversial and need no mind expansions to comprehend.

I do absolutely love Josephs presentation of ZeitGeist 1&addendum...He is one of the best film makers I've ever seen...Joseph is probably the only person talented enough to fit a good complete overview in 2 hours...

I really wanted to use addendum to advorcate to all my friends and people but I can't and I'm a little dissapointed with this.

You cant please everyone all of the time and for 2 hours of material i think he did very well. At the end of the day its just one guys ideas put onto film. I'm sure he'll be a lot more open to constructive criticism than AJ. I'm just a bit upset that every one is screaming illuminati NWO at something which in essence is a lovely idea. No one can offer us a fool proof 10 step guide to Utopia that will bring down the NWO.. if thats what everyone expected of Z2 its a bit like expecting the freindly aliens to arrive. It will come down to how EACH AND EVERYONE OF US deals with their fellow man after we bring down the NWO :)

[duckingdafta]

i think the christians used 'satanism' to wipe out all pagan (which means countrymen) beliefs. I dont deny for one minute the symbolism the illuminate use, but I dont think there is a real actual devil for them to summon. That sounds a bit too much like buying into organised religion for me.

This is how Pagan disappeared from an area near me..
Goodmanham (Godmundin Gaham in AD 731) is a small village about 2 miles to the north-east of Market Weighton, and dates back to Stone Age times.
It is one of the oldest religious sites in the country and was witness to a significant event in the history of England. The village once housed the pagan temple of Delgovine (the place of God's image) and was the main centre of pagan worship in the north of England, with a temple dedicated to the god Woden.


The ancient name Godmundingaham is derived from the Celtic 'Godo', an uncovered sanctuary or temple, and 'mynyddis', meaning a hilly place.

Christianity came to the area in 627 AD, following the conversion of Edwin, King of Northumbria, to the Christian faith. This followed the preachings at the nearby palace at Londesborough by Paulinus (the chaplain to Princess Ethelburga of Kent, a Christian whom Edwin married), who became the first Archbishop of York.
Having been converted to Christianity, Edwin subsequently destroyed the heathen temple at Goodmanham. The sacking of the temple is recorded in a stained glass window in All Hallows church in the village.

Edwin was baptised in York on Easter Day, 12 April AD 627, and the church that was built on the site of the baptism was eventually to be replaced by York Minster as it is known today.

All Hallows church, standing on an elevated position at the north-eastern end of Goodmanham reflects as much history as does the village itself.........

[grenadene]

This is how Pagan disappeared from an area near me..

assimilate and destroy :eek:

not to far from me either ::)

[chris]

You cant please everyone all of the time and for 2 hours of material i think he did very well. At the end of the day its just one guys ideas put onto film.

I agree he's a great film maker and even if he made the perfect film, people will attack him.

I'm sure he'll be a lot more open to constructive criticism than AJ.

This is the kind of thing that doesn't enter the equation. It's not a divide type of thing. I'm just looking at it from a "Wake up" pespective. AJ's films are no way perfect, they scare the crap out of a lot of people, they did that to my friend. He went a little insane for a while and tried to get me to rob a bank with him:D I put some sense into him but he kind of went into denial and carried on with his life after that...

I'm just a bit upset that every one is screaming illuminati NWO at something which in essence is a lovely idea. No one can offer us a fool proof 10 step guide to Utopia that will bring down the NWO...

I really hate this infighting as well...I have a part of me that wishes Peter Joseph is illuminati then at least he wouldn't care if his work gets trashed so badly.

But the problem is that the people critiquing ZA for being possibly a dangerous film do have a point. It is true that this is how Marx came about, he pretty much did exactly the same thing only through the writing. So I feel it has to be debunked so safe guard us from a potential popularist movement that could sping out of the ashes of the economic collapse and have a fake counter revolution already in place.

My main critique is that the solution is not a solution, it's like looking at a nice cake rather than being given the recipe.

It will come down to how EACH AND EVERYONE OF US deals with their fellow man after we bring down the NWO :)

I don't really care what happens after the NWO gets brought down, I'm going to live as an anarchist for as long as possible and I doubt that I'll even raise my conciousness enough to join the VP.

[h2pogo]

clash of personalties and ideals of two great people.
really dont think either side is nwo in disguise
shame Alex kept cutting him off
any one else think Alex is just jealous zeitgeist has had more views than any of his films.

[chris]

any one else think Alex is just jealous zeitgeist has had more views than any of his films.

Not really, I think he's got PTSD, I think many of us have...He's just going at the NWO 100mph that he runs down a deer every now and again.

[stelios]

Jones is 100% on the ball ...
Totally agree.
Alex Jones has exposed Peter Joseph as a person who wants a one world government, who wants communism and wants to turn his google video into the beginning of a new belief system or non belief system.
Peter Joseph is from an Ashkenazi background and works in the media industry and is so totally just like Marx and Lenin and Trotsky and all the others. Ashkenazis who have rejected their faith but have evolved it into a mixture of eugenics and kibbutzim.
Dont forget alot of what he was saying about people was just like the ideology of the kibbutz movement.

clash of personalties and ideals of two great people.
really dont think either side is nwo in disguise
shame Alex kept cutting him off
any one else think Alex is just jealous zeitgeist has had more views than any of his films.
Alex believes in God and in good and evil. Joseph does not he simply believes in order.
Alex does not want to become a new messiah or make money for himself as he said he wears the same t shirt every day and gives his films away for free on the web. More people ahve probably seen Terrorstorm because it has been copied and reposted and dvds have been passed around. But this isnt about who has the bigger bollocks this is about exposing the zionist controlled illuminati and fighting for our freedom.
Or in the case of Peter Joseph not doing that but submitting to control and order and communism.
I completely disagreed with most of what Joseph said.

[romas]

Peter Joseph uses strawman arguments and tries to discredit Alex Jones THE PERSON rather than the information. Peter Joseph says things like "scientists have PROVED that it is human nature to fight EACH OTHER for survival" whereas, Alex Jones says that we have been MANIPULATED into fighting each other. I agree with Alex Jones. But later on Peter Joseph seems to change his mind but he acts as though Alex Jones is wrong somehow :cool:

Peter Joseph appears to be very closed minded and uses Logical Fallacies throughout the discussion. I dont blame Alex Jones getting pissed off. Logical Fallacies have been designed to wind people up. Peter Joseph talked like a politician. He doesnt seem right to me.

Peter Joseph seemed to want to steer truthers away from the truth - HE seems to have the attitude that if it isnt mentioned in Zeitgeist then it must be irrellivent. He seems to think that the NWO has no relevence.




Must be really good shit you were smoking(or driking), cause it was exactly the opposite xD

[olas]

http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/blog/freegary/

[romas]

I"m just listening to Alex Jones now.... and it actually makes me quite sad

he is spouting utter drivel with his ridiculous voices - is the man posessed?

This 'nature v nurture' debate is going to fracture the 'truth movement'

Alex Jones is wrong (imho) on this :(



No, he is just an idiot, I think he means well in his own retarded kind of way, but he is actually hurting the whole process by scaring intellectuals and young audience away, hence suspicion of his agenda by some individuals.

[h2pogo]

Not really, I think he's got PTSD, I think many of us have...He's just going at the NWO 100mph that he runs down a deer every now and again.


lol
did feel sorry for bamby didnt have a chance poor thing.

[steevo]

Must be really good shit you were smoking(or dreaking), cause it was exactly the opposite xD

Dick.

[chris]

lol
did feel sorry for bamby didnt have a chance poor thing.

I felt sorry for Bamby in this case Peter as well, even though I disagree completely with his philosophy and the way he goes about promoting it.

EDIT-You've got to take it in good humour...Alex really cracks me up sometimes:D

[chris]

Steevo, there's really no point debating Romas. He's a true believer.

[romas]

Although I don't agree with Alex 100%, this... what's his face (?) 'Peter Joseph' stinks to high heavens in MHO. Why people speaks so highly of his Zeitgeist video, recommend it to everyone and plaster entire forums about it... is beyond me.

I've tried to sit down and watch it 3 times, and I always get bored and asleep half way through, always thinking in the back of my head: "Man! If you've got a point... make it already". Not to mention; nothing included in the vid is new information whatsoever.

Now it turns out the whole point was to introduce this utopia city?
Oh and by the way... the elite doesn't matter!

"14th of October"... "2012"... "Zeitgeist"... when are we gonna drop the false hope nonsense?

:rolleyes:


a) It's not supposed to be entertainment and it's not about "city"

b) There's no connection between "14/10/2008" and "Zeitgeist"

c) You have somthing against hope? Do you want to focus how powerfull this "bs elite" is in your own mind?

[helpus]

~full interview 11 PARTS YOUTUBE PLAY ALL (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0XVnhh6Yqec)

[h2pogo]

I felt sorry for Bamby in this case Peter as well, even though I disagree completely with his philosophy and the way he goes about promoting it.

EDIT-You've got to take it in good humour...Alex really cracks me up sometimes:D

it was a shame he didnt get much of a chance to say what his philsophy was.
all i know was it wasnt the same as that of alex.

entertaining though.

[romas]

Steevo, there's really no point debating Romas. He's a true believer.



So your logic "dick" is an attempt to debate? Or is it just kiddies posting flamebaits?

[strt]

So your logic "dick" is an attempt to debate? Or is it just kiddies posting flamebaits?

I noticed this kind of aggressiveness every time with Z believer when somebody questions zeitgeist. And they say that AJ is aggressive... :rolleyes:

[romas]

I dont hold with this whole myth and magic, pentagrams and witches and I arent paranoid to believe everything good is in fact too good to be true.

i think the christians used 'satanism' to wipe out all pagan (which means countrymen) beliefs. I dont deny for one minute the symbolism the illuminate use, but I dont think there is a real actual devil for them to summon. That sounds a bit too much like buying into organised religion for me.

If 'magic' ie superanatural powers exist I think they are accessible to all that know the mechanics..... both nice and not so nice :)


I agree, to bad most people can't get rid of religious programming, AJ is shining example, but he managed to accept D.Icke he'll think it through and accept PJ at some point, atleast for mature interview.

[and justice for all]

a) It's not supposed to be entertainment and it's not about "city"

b) There's no connection between "14/10/2008" and "Zeitgeist"

c) You have somthing against hope? Do you want to focus how powerfull this "bs elite" is in your own mind?

Nothing wrong a little entertainment, but that’s not how I mean it. I meant it as not informative enough.
And for those that already know the score is not informative at all, so I don’t see what’s the big hype about this video.

There is an obvious connection about those two, and it’s false hope. If you can’t see it well, that’s your business.

I have no problems with hope, but I have everything against false hope and dead end philosophies and I’ll attack them wherever I see it.

[romas]

I noticed this kind of aggressiveness every time with Z believer when somebody questions zeitgeist. And they say that AJ is aggressive... :rolleyes:


Nobody is perfect sorry, lighten up!

[chris]

So your logic "dick" is an attempt to debate? Or is it just kiddies posting flamebaits?

No but I have seen your logic from many posts and I've also seen Steevo's...'Dick' is simply an ad hominem. That's why I said there was no point in debating. This Zeitgeist shit is really starting to bore me now...

[romas]

Nothing wrong a little entertainment, but that’s not how I mean it. I meant it as not informative enough.
And for those that already know the score is not informative at all, so I don’t see what’s the big hype about this video.

There is an obvious connection about those two, and it’s false hope. If you can’t see it well, that’s your business.

I have no problems with hope, but I have everything against false hope and dead end philosophies and I’ll attack them wherever I see it.



Well first part is old information I agree, it was covered by many docs before, but Zeitgeist is popular and it's a good opportunity to introduce this into wider audience, so far I haven't seen anyone introduce anything comparable or even realistic. There is always that 10% chance of conspiracy and people will always have to stay vigilant and educated.

[and justice for all]

Peter Joseph uses strawman arguments and tries to discredit Alex Jones THE PERSON rather than the information. [...]


You’re right about that, I’ve noticed that myself.

[romas]

No but I have seen your logic from many posts and I've also seen Steevo's...'Dick' is simply an ad hominem. That's why I said there was no point in debating. This Zeitgeist shit is really starting to bore me now...


Can we just agree to disagree? I don't see point for flamebaiting.

[and justice for all]

This Zeitgeist shit is really starting to bore me now...

Join the club! ;)

[chris]

Can we just agree to disagree? I don't see point for flamebaiting.

Yes we can...We have very different views on society but as long as we agree that free choice should be held at the pinnacle of society then we are really no different.

To be honest I really didn't get Zietgeist addendum until I heard Peter speak. It's not entirely my fault as Addendum isn't really that clear what they want...I do however believe so strongly that freedom of choice is the most powerful tool of learning that god has given us.

I do amit that I get easily wound up when people simply label money as bad and the users of it, wicked. I think this is inherantly wrong (I am not wicked for one). Peter even said that he had to use money to keep himself going. It is like a gun in many ways or like fire, people have to learn how to live with it rather than erradicate it. That is what I would call a raising of conciousness.

My appologies for being an ass...

[steevo]

Zeitgeist shit is really starting to bore me now...

Join the club! ;)

lol :D

The mass awakening needs to happen BEFORE the sheeple consider changing to a new system such as the Venus Project system. The sheeple have no idea what a "system" actually IS, so how could they ever know if a new proposed system is good or bad ? Zeitgeist could be used to exploit the ignorance of the sheeple. The awakening needs to happen first IN MY OPINION. I dont think that Zeitgeist is an appropiate video to wake up the sheeple. Zeitgesist has become a "trusted" brand now and millions will now watch Zeitgeist 2 and believe all that it says. God knows how the original Zeitgeist movie got to the top of the charts on Google video.

After hearing Peter Joseph talking to Alex Jones, it seems to me that he is possibily pro NWO. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

[chris]

lol :D

The mass awakening needs to happen BEFORE the sheeple consider changing to a new system such as the Venus Project system. The sheeple have no idea what a "system" actually IS, so how could they ever know if a new proposed system is good or bad ? Zeitgeist could be used to exploit the ignorance of the sheeple. The awakening needs to happen first IN MY OPINION. I dont think that Zeitgeist is an appropiate video to wake up the sheeple. Zeitgesist has become a "trusted" brand now and millions will now watch Zeitgeist 2 and believe all that it says. God knows how the original Zeitgeist movie got to the top of the charts on Google video.

I completely agree with all the above...Apart from that I don't believe it's enough to create a populist movement out of it. I think that once a sheeple watches it, they would get a taste for alternative media and then move onto more hardcore info and then finally into real solutions...Perhaps this debate is what's slowing us down...I'm going to print off some more leaflets:D

[steevo]

I completely agree with all the above...Apart from that I don't believe it's enough to create a populist movement out of it. I think that once a sheeple watches it, they would get a taste for alternative media and then move onto more hardcore info and then finally into real solutions...Perhaps this debate is what's slowing us down...I'm going to print off some more leaflets:D

A while ago on some news debate program on the mainstream media, they mentioned the Zeitgeist movie. I have a feeling that Zeitgeist is being used to "get in first" so that people are steered towards it rather than other videos. It's now a trusted brand name :cool: I dont think Zeitgeist is such an important video as people make it out to be. I find it strange how it is supposedly so popular. Again that is just my opinion.

Hopefully, like you say Chris, when people watch Zeitgeist, they will open their mind rather than get brainwashed into believing into another "religeon".

Go print the leaflets Chris :D

[whatistruth]

You have all got to dl todays AJ podcast, he explains alot, addendum has tons of religious people in it, its basically THE illuminati doctrine of lucifer.

ALL of it, the venus project?
Thats the morning star, IE LUCIFER.

Unbelievable.

[getoutofthat]

My first time listening to Alex Jones and probably my last...
Shouting and funny voices are not really my bag.
He accused Peter Joseph of arguing like a lawyer and then proceeded to counter it by arguing like a child...
It's interesting that so many people seem to be against Joseph and think he's NWO when apparently the main weapon of the NWO is fear.
I think Joseph's ideas are the most positive and hopeful I have encountered in the Alternative Thought community and are a refreshing change from people telling us to get armed, store food and hoard gold.

[whatistruth]

My first time listening to Alex Jones and probably my last...
Shouting and funny voices are not really my bag.
He accused Peter Joseph of arguing like a lawyer and then proceeded to counter it by arguing like a child...
It's interesting that so many people seem to be against Joseph and think he's NWO when apparently the main weapon of the NWO is fear.
I think Joseph's ideas are the most positive and hopeful I have encountered in the Alternative Thought community and are a refreshing change from people telling us to get armed, store food and hoard gold.


maybe worshipping the thoephic societys one world christ from zeitgiest will save us?

[dangermouse]

My first time listening to Alex Jones and probably my last...
Shouting and funny voices are not really my bag.
He accused Peter Joseph of arguing like a lawyer and then proceeded to counter it by arguing like a child...
It's interesting that so many people seem to be against Joseph and think he's NWO when apparently the main weapon of the NWO is fear.
I think Joseph's ideas are the most positive and hopeful I have encountered in the Alternative Thought community and are a refreshing change from people telling us to get armed, store food and hoard gold.


Im tending to agree with Alex Jones that he(PJ) is an Illuminati tool willing or otherwise but I too was taken by his soothing tone of voice. I actually really didn't get how bad Zeitgeist was untill I read comments from Chris. Fair play Chris you saw right through it. And I agree completely with your point of view.
And then when Alex Jones interviewed PJ I completely agreed with what Alex was saying which mirrored what Chris had previously pointed out.

[getoutofthat]

maybe worshipping the thoephic societys one world christ from zeitgiest will save us?

No, it won't. But Joseph isn't looking for worship.
As I say, it was my first time listening to Alex Jones but I got very bored very quickly of him referring to himself as a 'King'.
Fortunately I'm not paranoid enough for that to alarm me but it was tedious.
Joseph's point on Alex Jones' adoption of marketing techniques was amusing enough but his terrible shill act when his pal came on to sell us all precious metals was cringeworthy.
What's the plan? To pelt NWO stormtroopers with Silver Dollars?!
I just found Jones' whole shtick based on fear and aggression and revolving around consumption too much for my own taste...
Which is probably why I found Joseph's world view quite refreshing but hey! I am a Socialist!

[strt]

What's the plan? To pelt NWO stormtroopers with Silver Dollars?!

Can you help me understand how exactly Joseph plans to deal with NWO stormtrupers?

[dangermouse]

No, it won't. But Joseph isn't looking for worship.
As I say, it was my first time listening to Alex Jones but I got very bored very quickly of him referring to himself as a 'King'.
Fortunately I'm not paranoid enough for that to alarm me but it was tedious.
Joseph's point on Alex Jones' adoption of marketing techniques was amusing enough but his terrible shill act when his pal came on to sell us all precious metals was cringeworthy.
What's the plan? To pelt NWO stormtroopers with Silver Dollars?!
I just found Jones' whole shtick based on fear and aggression and revolving around consumption too much for my own taste...
Which is probably why I found Joseph's world view quite refreshing but hey! I am a Socialist!

You are seriously disillusioned my friend ... I actually didnt like Alex Jones when I first came across him. I thought he was being over the top loud mouth texan. Now I see him as a loud mouth texan speaking truth that people should be aware of . Hats of to the guy as far as im concerned. And I cant believe I even have to write these words on this forum :(

[getoutofthat]

Can you help me understand how exactly Joseph plans to deal with NWO stormtrupers?

I don't think he sees them as an issue.
He's got enough on his plate trying to convince people to move to a resource based economy.
Do you see NWO stormtroopers as a tangible threat?
If so, can you explain how an excellent coin collection counters them?
Surely, after all the recent activity in the Global financial markets, the lie that is capitalism is being exposed.
Why, if Jones is going to oppose the NWO, would he choose an economic system based on the same false markets as the current system?
Gold is just a soft, shiny metal. It's not really useful for making anything but jewellery or adding an unnecessary cosmetic sheen to buildings and objects.
Isn't it's 'value' just another lie we are being told by TPTB?

[getoutofthat]

You are seriously disillusioned my friend ... I actually didnt like Alex Jones when I first came across him. I thought he was being over the top loud mouth texan. Now I see him as a loud mouth texan speaking truth that people should be aware of . Hats of to the guy as far as im concerned. And I cant believe I even have to write these words on this forum :(

I wouldn't say I'm disillusioned. It was my first time listening to Alex Jones so I didn't really have any major expectations.
I just think that having us live in fear is the major objective of the media and Government.
They want us indoors and consuming, tied to a dishonest economy.
As far as I can see Alex Jones thinks the response to this is to panic, stay in our homes surrounded by food and weapons, store massive amounts of precious metals and listen to the radio.
I don't think the media and Government would be too troubled by this. On the other hand Joseph seems to be advocating a community-based society, predicated on production and creativity and moved away from false financial models.

[strt]

I don't think he sees them as an issue.
He's got enough on his plate trying to convince people to move to a resource based economy.
Do you see NWO stormtroopers as a tangible threat?

:rolleyes:

If so, can you explain how an excellent coin collection counters them?

I have an idea - I will avoid your question and attack Jones instead. Why do you think that I would be defending AJ?

Surely, after all the recent activity in the Global financial markets, the lie that is capitalism is being exposed.

So this mess is not planned, it just happened?

Why, if Jones is going to oppose the NWO, would he choose an economic system based on the same false markets as the current system?

Again, you switch to Jones and NWO. Why so much talk about NWO if Joseph avoids to talk about it?


Gold is just a soft, shiny metal. It's not really useful for making anything but jewellery or adding an unnecessary cosmetic sheen to buildings and objects.
Isn't it's 'value' just another lie we are being told by TPTB?

Do your research for what other purposes gold can be used, please.

[dangermouse]

I wouldn't say I'm disillusioned. It was my first time listening to Alex Jones so I didn't really have any major expectations.
I just think that having us live in fear is the major objective of the media and Government.
They want us indoors and consuming, tied to a dishonest economy.
As far as I can see Alex Jones thinks the response to this is to panic, stay in our homes surrounded by food and weapons, store massive amounts of precious metals and listen to the radio.
I don't think the media and Government would be too troubled by this. On the other hand Joseph seems to be advocating a community-based society, predicated on production and creativity and moved away from false financial models.

PJ is advocating a technocracy ...

This is also what the elites advocate .. I listen to Alex Jones regularly, from what I can tell he is as honest as they come. Ok he is a big mouth arrogant proud american texan. Big fucking deal. The information he puts forward is second to none .. You obviously havent heard/seen much of alex's work.

[chris]

A while ago on some news debate program on the mainstream media, they mentioned the Zeitgeist movie. I have a feeling that Zeitgeist is being used to "get in first" so that people are steered towards it rather than other videos. It's now a trusted brand name :cool: I dont think Zeitgeist is such an important video as people make it out to be. I find it strange how it is supposedly so popular. Again that is just my opinion.

That's interesting...They did that with Loose Change Second but it backfired on them horribly.

I did consider it a possibility that they could try it again but I didn't think they would be that stupid.

If this is going to be promoted then I welcome it. I'm sure we'll see when the economy really goes down...When the average sheeple talks about how they watched Zeightgeist Addendum. All you need to say that 'it's not nearly as good as the first one' and then they wake up, past false flag, past brainchipping and that's all people really need to wake up to...Having a decent political philosophy is really just the icing on the cake.

[getoutofthat]

:rolleyes:

Again, you switch to Jones and NWO. Why so much talk about NWO if Joseph avoids to talk about it?
Do your research for what other purposes gold can be used, please.


Because Jones appears to see the NWO as a bigger problem than general social reform and I find his solutions as ineffective.

Do you think that Alex Jones is advocating the storage of precious metals for their limited industrial uses or their perceived monetary value?
Why isn't he selling scrap iron if it's based on utility?

[strt]

Because Jones appears to see the NWO as a bigger problem than general social reform and I find his solutions as ineffective.

Do you think that Alex Jones is advocating the storage of precious metals for their limited industrial uses or their perceived monetary value?
Why isn't he selling scrap iron if it's based on utility?

I don't care about AJ, I want to know why Zeitgeist does not deal with NWO and solutions how to beat NWO. Technocratia is pretty (to some) picture but it is five steps away. Why Zeitgeist skips any plan how to get there?

[getoutofthat]

PJ is advocating a technocracy ...

This is also what the elites advocate .. I listen to Alex Jones regularly, from what I can tell he is as honest as they come. Ok he is a big mouth arrogant proud american texan. Big fucking deal. The information he puts forward is second to none .. You obviously havent heard/seen much of alex's work.

No, it was my first time listening to him properly.
The only previous sustained contact I had was when Jon Ronson joined him to infiltrate Bohemian Grove.
The bombast was irritating but I also find his proposals too fearful and aggressive to agree with...
He seems incredibly popular though. I'm sure he'll get by without me!

[whatistruth]

Everyone should be listening to todays AJ show btw.


Did you all know peter joseph isnt his real name?
This is becomming obvious as a total co-opting.

[getoutofthat]

I don't care about AJ, I want to know why Zeitgeist does not deal with NWO and solutions how to beat NWO. Technocratia is pretty (to some) picture but it is five steps away. Why Zeitgeist skips any plan how to get there?

Wow, I do all that research on the industrial uses of gold and then you don't want to talk about it?!
Bearing in mind I hadn't heard of Peter Joseph, Zeitgeist or the Venus Project until yesterday and my only independant research since then has been a couple of Wikipedia searches I don't feel qualified to say why Joseph doesn't deal with the NWO.
I would guess that he doesn't see them as a tangible threat and considers the project itself work enough without factoring in armed government opposition.
To return to my original point I knew little or nothing of both parties when I started listening yesterday but found the optimism of Joseph refreshing and Alex Jones' response to it immature and aggressive.

[strt]

Wow, I do all that research on the industrial uses of gold and then you don't want to talk about it?!

OK, you can create new thread 'Bad Alex Jones gold-dealer and other uses of gold' and I will join, no problem. In fact, I am often pissed off with amount of very stupid commercials AJ has.

Bearing in mind I hadn't heard of Peter Joseph, Zeitgeist or the Venus Project until yesterday and my only independant research since then has been a couple of Wikipedia searches I don't feel qualified to say why Joseph doesn't deal with the NWO.
I would guess that he doesn't see them as a tangible threat and considers the project itself work enough without factoring in armed government opposition.

He has great banking system review so he must be aware of RFID chipped population plan. He is carefully avoiding any 'deeper' issue. At the same time, he is offering creepy solution without addressing more current issues. Marshal law is potentially just around the corner and knowing that maglev train can go very fast is great but is not going to help IF stormtrupers start jumping around. You can find David talk about taking out garbage on the wrong day - that kind of advices we all need right now.

Edit: He mentioned RFID at the Z1 if I recall correctly but nothing else - no single advice how to avoid it.

To return to my original point I knew little or nothing of both parties when I started listening yesterday but found the optimism of Joseph refreshing and Alex Jones' response to it immature and aggressive.

AJ is like a medicine - it hurts for a first few times but it's actually good for you.

[seercirra]

i thought the first zeigeist was very interesting.
but i downloaded the second and started watching it but had to switch it off.
theres just something really agitating about it. it doesnt feel right. i watched less than 1/4.

listening to alex jones talking to the zeitgeist creator. im really starting to think that zeitgeist is a load of bull.

it addresses much of the problems accurately, while avoiding the NWO, it spends a hell of alot of time disproving all religions, but doesnt address the very real factor of human spirituality. of the fact that their is good and evil. we all know that religions are corrupt. but you cannot ignore the fact that humans are spiritual beings.

other than this, the main problem does seem to be in the solutions the films give.

i think zeitgeist is a virus placed in the truth movement.

alex and peter are arguing about nature or nurture. the zeitgeist man is trying to tell us that 90% of instinct is due to nurture, not nature. and if we can address our environment then wars and eliteists, selfish nature etc wont occur.
but the problem is, the envronment hes talking about is basically the NWO dream.

'spread the assets of the world evenly between the people, doles out by people at the top.'

translation:
'have the whole world live in poverty, give away the assets of rich, progressed nations, and its much easier to dominate the whole world'

and i disagree on the fundamental that most of human instict is through nurture.
a man is not attracted to a woman because he;s been taught to be.....

and i disagree that all wealth should be spread. if all wealth is spread evenly, if someone who;se never worked aquires the same wealth as someone who's allways worked, theres no incentive for that person to continue working. this will make stale human progression.

i agree with alex in that being able to buy and sell, and having to work to gain prestige is what makes people evolve. its a natural human desire that ends up helping the whole of human kind.
its important though, that this disire for prestige doesnt go so far as to incarnate evil acts. and so guidlines and rules and a greater, more perceptive consciousness must be in place.

giving every country and all people equal wealth, irrelevant of how hard theyve work or what they achieve, as the zeitgeist author seems to suggest, is, in my opinion, a sure way to make stale our entire civilisation. no one would be motivated to put that extra bit of passion into someting that really makes its special.

if anybody watched the alex jones interviews david de rothschild clip, this guy speaks in exactly the same manner, and it bothers me.
he has a kind of relaxed, arrogant and insoluble tone in his voice. he sounds like pro disinfo.
and alex is handling the guy wrong. he recognises that something is wrong in the way this guy debates, but cant put his finger exactly on what. so he gets frustrated.
when alex disproves anything peter says, peter relies on a fall back position. at first glance this seems to be normal for people debating. but here theres a pattern to it. and it isnt coincidence. its a very well judged technique to avoid giving any credence to anything alex says, even if he cannot disagree with it.
a normal person searching for truth wouldnt be adopting that technique. and alex' subconscious is ringing alarm bells, telling him that something is wrong. but he isnt consciouslly aware of exactly what is wrong/what techniques peter is using. and so he's getting frustrated.

im with alex on this one.
its a sad day though. zeitgeist will divide the people searching for truth. exactly as planned :(

[fattluck4tom]

I think we should be very wary of anyone who states that the earth has a 'natural carrying capacity' and that we have no souls.....

I see a whole lot of murder in this Zeitgeist ideology....

Very scary.

It's a chocolate coated jackboot.

Unless you're one of the people who thinks they're gonna get something out of their system.....

The Nazis appealed in the same way....

The Masons continually talk about a 'new system'.

The new Zeitgeist film is the manifesto for that 'new system'. No doubt about it.
Whew... i thought it would never get said... good going.

[fattluck4tom]

Not. A kitty can't win with a pit bull.:D

[fattluck4tom]

Peter Joseph uses strawman arguments and tries to discredit Alex Jones THE PERSON rather than the information. Peter Joseph says things like "scientists have PROVED that it is human nature to fight EACH OTHER for survival" whereas, Alex Jones says that we have been MANIPULATED into fighting each other. I agree with Alex Jones. But later on Peter Joseph seems to change his mind but he acts as though Alex Jones is wrong somehow :cool:

Peter Joseph appears to be very closed minded and uses Logical Fallacies throughout the discussion. I dont blame Alex Jones getting pissed off. Logical Fallacies have been designed to wind people up. Peter Joseph talked like a politician. He doesnt seem right to me.

Peter Joseph seemed to want to steer truthers away from the truth - HE seems to have the attitude that if it isnt mentioned in Zeitgeist then it must be irrellivent. He seems to think that the NWO has no relevence.

It's all well and good that we can all have different opinions but why would anyone who gives a shit about his fellow man want to APPARANTLY try to cause divisions in the truth movement ?
The United Nations has their own "religion". This guy is a member/supporter/purveyor of that religion. I read about David Spangler and his cronies and how they have a special "room" to do their dark rituals in the United Nations Building. David Icke wrote about it in one of his earlier books (don't remember which one). This guy is a Luciferian. Plain and simple. Dark as night...something's NOT right!

[fattluck4tom]

We have to look into the people that are actually in the film. Alex isn't just knocking this to knock it. The individuals in Zeitgeist are connected to the Theosophical Society. This is clear Illuminati religion.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Ts_seal.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society

I think the seal proves the point. David would have a field day with that one. Now I'm sure of my prior post.

The Zeitgeist movement = The Illuminati movement

Remember... two sides that appear to be fighting each other that are working to the same end. Think about this before you start supporting it.
Totally right there. Perfume doesn't change the pile of crap and neither does "smooth talking".

[romas]

You have all got to dl todays AJ podcast, he explains alot, addendum has tons of religious people in it, its basically THE illuminati doctrine of lucifer.

ALL of it, the venus project?
Thats the morning star, IE LUCIFER.

Unbelievable.


Does he go into any details or it's just some religious mumbo jumbo?

[fattluck4tom]

I think we should be very wary of anyone who states that the earth has a 'natural carrying capacity' and that we have no souls.....

I see a whole lot of murder in this Zeitgeist ideology....

Very scary.

It's a chocolate coated jackboot.

Unless you're one of the people who thinks they're gonna get something out of their system.....

The Nazis appealed in the same way....

The Masons continually talk about a 'new system'.

The new Zeitgeist film is the manifesto for that 'new system'. No doubt about it.

i dont believe 'magic' is evil

but some people are using hidden knowledge for wicked personal gain.

I do agree with one thing: there is no "evil" per se. The concept of evil is derived from a religious, judgmental standpoint. That said, the Ill-uminati use the negative creative force/energy to manifest what they want (and they use the glyphs, sigils talismans, etc. as a few of their tools--The dollar bill is one of their most powerful talismans.) They use Alchemy and High Magic. So, magic isn't negative. It's how it's used that makes it negative. We have free will to create negatively or positively. It's our choice as creators (albeit as apprentice creators!:)

[whatistruth]

Does he go into any details or it's just some religious mumbo jumbo?

Well he explains how the film zeitgiest is basically a religious film, that bashes christianity *(im not christian), and it IS.

The venus project...my god.

[romas]

Well he explains how the film zeitgiest is basically a religious film, that bashes christianity *(im not christian), and it IS.

The venus project...my god.


I see, I wonder how he figured that out, got a recording?

[romas]

We have to look into the people that are actually in the film. Alex isn't just knocking this to knock it. The individuals in Zeitgeist are connected to the Theosophical Society. This is clear Illuminati religion.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Ts_seal.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society

I think the seal proves the point. David would have a field day with that one. Now I'm sure of my prior post.

The Zeitgeist movement = The Illuminati movement

Remember... two sides that appear to be fighting each other that are working to the same end. Think about this before you start supporting it.



Ok lets see oraboras, merkaba/hexagon, sign of the sun and egyptian sign of life aka ankh.... oooo evil stuff! be scared!

And all this was exposed by a vatican shill from GENESIS radio station lol

There is a war on for your mind, damn right there is and AJ want to win the war! lol

here's Jonesy selling Y2K emergency food/water in case russians have black out and then nuke USA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAgTFWglHrc&feature=related




See how easy is to muddy the water?

[strt]

vatican shill SCAREMONGER Jesuit-CIA

What happened here?

[elirien]

Ok lets see oraboras, merkaba/hexagon, sign of the sun and egyptian sign of life aka ankh.... oooo evil stuff! be scared!

And all this was exposed by a vatican shill from GENESIS radio station lol


Dude are you really defending the theosophical society? come on.

[danster82]

The Theosophical Society seal is simply a merger or all the main religions symbols and so their message was that there is an underlining current to all religions which is true.

This debate is getting tiresome if people want to go down the road of labeling things evil because they have seen some documentary that says so or they come to believe a symbol is evil and so whenever they see it they fall into an automated response then follow that path til you find it leads you knowwhere.

The only things you can know is true is what you personally know as true I mean what do you actually know.. dont base your statements of what others have said.

Reading the debates on this on both this forum and prison planet has showed me utterly controlled people are by symbols and the association people make with the myriad of symbols in their mind to form beliefs. Its like you see or hear certain things and they trigger you into a response like danger mouse when he said here look and said lucifer = venus = venus project <-- and this is insane if your creating such sweeping opinions on such unreal symbols and so it is with most of the post.

[binkbonk]

im with alex on this one.
its a sad day though. zeitgeist will divide the people searching for truth. exactly as planned :(

Absolutely! I agree with your whole post.

[romas]

Dude are you really defending the theosophical society? come on.


I'm not defending anyone, I gave simple example how I can dig up some hocus pocus information to discredit AJ. What I'm seeing here is fight between factions, I don't know if any of them is actually benevolent for general poppulation.

And even if I was so what? There's no proof worth a shit when it comes to masonry/theosophy, there isn't even clear distinction between their various factions, people throw terminology into one pool without having any idea wtf they are talking about.

On the other hand proof that vatican is full of shit is clear as day, they don't even try to deny it in official mainstream history or their wealth, because they know the general poppulation is safely hypnotized.

That is untill recent waking, pope didn't waste time to announce how naughty we are, we should be more like his beloved servant GW Bush.

[elirien]

I'm not defending anyone, I gave simple example how I can dig up some hocus pocus information to discredit AJ.

And even if I was so what? There's no proof worth a shit when it comes to that, there isn't even clear distinction between their factions, people throw terminology into one pool without having any idea wtf they are talking about.

On the other hand proof that vatican is full of shit is clear as day, they don't even try to deny it in official mainstream history or their wealth, because they know the general poppulation is safely hypnotized.

That is untill recent waking, pope didn't waste time to announce how naughty we are, we should be more like his beloved servant GW Bush.

well ok but these guys were in the u.n.. i'm not saying that the vatican is cool of course. but these guys suck too.

http://rexcurry.net/theosophy-madame-blavatsky-theosophical-society.html

this site claims amongst many other people that they are connected to the u.n.. some documentation wouldn't hurt of course.

[thirdwave]

Zeitgeist is a great DVD and has does a really good job getting lots of facts and info out there and does more than enough to warn people that our elite are dishonest..not to be trusted and are unpleasant... so on..

AJ also very good but has that religious thorn in his side, so i would fight PJs corner any day..... no wonder AJ does not like Zeitgeist... any person who is evolving as a human will not mind how the DVDs present religion... that's the issue really..

I recommend both Z movies to everyone I chat too... the only thing with AJ is his views are so narrow and he does not see the deeper picture.. anyone that does not see it his way has to tip toe around him and work around his fragile belief system.... Tsarion and PJ recently...

but hey they are all putting info out there.. I just dont know what AJs problem is... letting him self down a tad I feel... made me cringe when he kept shouting him down... reminded me of John Gaunt, or that O'Reilly guy in the US!...

[dangermouse]

Zeitgeist is a great DVD and has does a really good job getting lots of facts and info out there and does more than enough to warn people that our elite are dishonest..not to be trusted and are unpleasant... so on..

AJ also very good but has that religious thorn in his side, so i would fight PJs corner any day..... no wonder AJ does not like Zeitgeist... any person who is evolving as a human will not mind how the DVDs present religion... that's the issue really..

I recommend both Z movies to everyone I chat too... the only thing with AJ is his views are so narrow and he does not see the deeper picture.. anyone that does not see it his way has to tip toe around him and work around his fragile belief system.... Tsarion and PJ recently...

but hey they are all putting info out there.. I just dont know what AJs problem is... letting him self down a tad I feel... made me cringe when he kept shouting him down... reminded me of John Gaunt, or that O'Reilly guy in the US!...

NO!!!!! not u too :(

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by a new reality awaits http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=564954#post564954)
We have to look into the people that are actually in the film. Alex isn't just knocking this to knock it. The individuals in Zeitgeist are connected to the Theosophical Society. This is clear Illuminati religion.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Ts_seal.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society

I think the seal proves the point. David would have a field day with that one. Now I'm sure of my prior post.

The Zeitgeist movement = The Illuminati movement

Remember... two sides that appear to be fighting each other that are working to the same end. Think about this before you start supporting it.


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It's of the Mystery school religions and they created those symbols - the New Age movement (hodge podge mix of various religions) They are/were eugenicists and believe the master race spiel. I agree with Dangermouse (having done the research, I'll try explain in brief but the keywords I use may help you to go and find out more) Lucifer was of the Greeks originally (Slave and masters system)

The Utopia is for the Elite when they've culled us - the herd, but they'll save some slaves. Masters need slaves, although they'll probably engineer a new slave race of cyborgs or what they call the new man..

Theosophy also added influences from John Dee (he coined the phrase the British Empire and was in with the Royalty of that time) His Rosicrucians where the forerunner to MI5/6 etc.

The Elite believe they are
Advanced souls (Gurus) and those in power who make the rules are there to guide humanity (the reality is they look at the masses/lower classes as inferior species and never have and never will do right by the masses and guide really means to rule it's double speak)

The Elite are parasites who feed off us mostly via usury.

These ideas originated with the Hindu caste system and reincarnation. (oldest known religion maybe where all others sprang from) hence the Swastika.

The philosophy of Theosophy was also believed to have influenced the Nazi philosophy (Hitler was a Rothschild probably) The hexagram has been the symbol for Zionism for sometime too and the identity of the Jewish religion, who some believe they are superior to others and are God's chosen ones. (see Babylonian Talmud)

Most of the passwords, rituals etc of Freemasonry come from Judaism (a religion the Brotherhood's invented before they the Elite priesthood got kicked out of Egypt/Babylon when the Egyptians revolted against their system of usury and slavery) They brought the Babylonian Talmud with them. and the Hexagram aka seal of Solomon aka Star of David, also the symbol the Rothschild (Zionists) used. Lucifer is their God. Rosenthal also admits this in his famous interview.

The oborous is symbolic and relates to the Protocols of Zion and there's picture of the snake encompassing the Globe/planet which means they have took over and control all = NWO.

Theosophists claim to channel the ascend masters (The United Nations still makes these claims) to guide humanity. When in reality it's group of think thanks NGO's men planning the now and the future.

Annie Bessant or one of the Theosophists even admitted
in letters to her sister that the channellings were fake and the names of the ascended masters where of her superiors in the Mystery schools.


Channellings are the basis for all religious texts. Crowley - Thelema, the book of law, some real sick stuff there. It was in reality the NWO plans revealed, not some spirit channeling. Crowley MI5/6 etc knew the game plan and may have been a Rothschild. Victor Rotshchild also MI5/6 etc was a double agent and in with the Communists (Zionists created Communism)