Zeitgeist author on AJ show right now

[thirdwave]

after listening to the interview ... it just sounds like AJ is to stupid to understand what he is talking about....

:rolleyes:

ahh well..

[eternal_spirit]

What happened here?

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Originally Posted by romas http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=566718#post566718)
vatican shill SCAREMONGER Jesuit-CIA


He's read too much Zionist propaganda put out by the likes of racist Zionist shill CEO of Israeli blood diamond company (Eric John Phelps) BTW AJ does not support the Vatican. :rolleyes:

[dangermouse]

after listening to the interview ... it just sounds like AJ is to stupid to understand what he is talking about....

:rolleyes:

ahh well..

Quite the contrary my friend . Alex Jones knows exactly what he is talking about.

[squemby]

why do you need to mention that he is a Jew, Pirate?

[thirdwave]

He thinks he does??

well then he should know that because of modern techknology he has managed to wake many many people up to the NWO.

in fact we would not be discussing this issue if it was not for development of modern technology...

AJ knows there is something wrong... but even from his view point there is no solution because he things you can rid the people from the system they created... which cant happen.... take them to court???? ... has he researched what the court is??

both Z films address the most important point.. and that what we think and how we see the world around us.... its not just about fighting the bad guys... thats just an immediate selfish solution.... why are there bad guys and why are they in charge?.... why has it taken us so long to see this and want to do something about it??

i think the Z movie comes from a bigger picture... and does enough to want people and get them ready for any bullshit the elite throws at us... it just does not teach people to fear technology or to fear evolution.. I just think AJ comes across as to old fashioned and thinks its all about god and the battle between good and evil... goes deeper than that... and if he thinks Z is to deep for some well he should let the popularity of the movie be the judge of that.


I also thought AJ was unfair saying that the guy was talking down to him... he came across decent and respectful and AJ was trying to wind him up and manipulate things..

[thirdwave]

why do you need to mention that he is a Jew, Pirate?

because he is caught up in the religious thing as much as AJ is .. :rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

why do you need to mention that he is a Jew, Pirate?

Read my post further up the page, simply there's a fair number of Jews mostly Zionists involved with the NWO etc. Although Pirate claims to be part Jew himself.

[thirdwave]

Read my post further up the page, simply there's a fair number of Jews mostly Zionists involved with the NWO etc. Although Pirate claims to be part Jew himself.

Jew is a religion.. how can you be part jew?

[grenadene]

He thinks he does??

well then he should know that because of modern techknology he has managed to wake many many people up to the NWO.

in fact we would not be discussing this issue if it was not for development of modern technology...

AJ knows there is something wrong... but even from his view point there is no solution because he things you can rid the people from the system they created... which cant happen.... take them to court???? ... has he researched what the court is??

both Z films address the most important point.. and that what we think and how we see the world around us.... its not just about fighting the bad guys... thats just an immediate selfish solution.... why are there bad guys and why are they in charge?.... why has it taken us so long to see this and want to do something about it??

i think the Z movie comes from a bigger picture... and does enough to want people and get them ready for any bullshit the elite throws at us... it just does not teach people to fear technology or to fear evolution.. I just think AJ comes across as to old fashioned and thinks its all about god and the battle between good and evil... goes deeper than that... and if he thinks Z is to deep for some well he should let the popularity of the movie be the judge of that.


I also thought AJ was unfair saying that the guy was talking down to him... he came across decent and respectful and AJ was trying to wind him up and manipulate things..

Finally someone who listened to the same interview as I did :)

[eternal_spirit]

Jew is a religion.. how can you be part jew?

Well that's the big issue for some it's a religion and others a race. Was Jewsus a Jew some say so some say not.

[dangermouse]

He thinks he does??

well then he should know that because of modern techknology he has managed to wake many many people up to the NWO.

in fact we would not be discussing this issue if it was not for development of modern technology...

AJ knows there is something wrong... but even from his view point there is no solution because he things you can rid the people from the system they created... which cant happen.... take them to court???? ... has he researched what the court is??

both Z films address the most important point.. and that what we think and how we see the world around us.... its not just about fighting the bad guys... thats just an immediate selfish solution.... why are there bad guys and why are they in charge?.... why has it taken us so long to see this and want to do something about it??

i think the Z movie comes from a bigger picture... and does enough to want people and get them ready for any bullshit the elite throws at us... it just does not teach people to fear technology or to fear evolution.. I just think AJ comes across as to old fashioned and thinks its all about god and the battle between good and evil... goes deeper than that... and if he thinks Z is to deep for some well he should let the popularity of the movie be the judge of that.

So the fact that scientific dictatorship is why most of the technology is being developed for our enslavement. It would be nice to think that ordinary Joe would have benefits from these but its for the Elites only. Trans humanism etc.

[romas]

AJ does not support the Vatican. :rolleyes:


He avoids the subject instead focusing all flame the other factions, W.B. Cooper was right about him imo.

[stelios]

why do you need to mention that he is a Jew, Pirate?
Peter Joseph was brought up as an Ashkenazi Jew.
He appears from his beliefs and interview to now have started his own religion.
So he is technically no longer a Jew.

But it is important for people to understand his background and take that in context with what he is advocating which to me appears to be a new version of Marxism based upon the Kibbutz system.

[dangermouse]

He avoids the subject instead focusing all flame the other factions, W.B. Cooper was right about him imo.

wrong .

AJ makes mistakes like the rest of us. He is not all knowing either. He happens to know quite a bit about the NWO from his many years of research.
I don't think ignoring the NWO will make em go away. Zeitgeist does nothing to highlight the vastness of the NWO on its many levels. AJ does educating people encouraging people to get up off their ass and do something about. Zeitgeist is the disney channel version where everything will turn out nice and dandy and we won't have to do fuck all because the technology will take care of everything ( as u lie in ur battery pod :rolleyes:)

[eternal_spirit]

He avoids the subject instead focusing all flame the other factions, W.B. Cooper was right about him imo.

Cooper had some good info I agree, and it may have been orders from the ADL that had him killed. I think that's the reason some researchers don't cover the Zionist angle so much, including Watt, who knew Cooper well.

TBH I've reached the point where I've heard all the rumours about different researchers, which sometimes makes me wonder. And other times most of the rumours don't add up. It's a minefield. I think most of what AJ covers is usually right. Although I rarely follow his work much at the mo, used to.

[a new reality awaits]

This is so destructive to the truth movement. I wish Alex never got involved with discussing Z. Religion always guarantees a divide in peoples.

I think Peter Joseph should have left it alone after the first Z. I think the first film was a bate-- to get you to pay attention to the rest of the material. Z: Addendum-- to me-- proves that this is yet another Illuminati operation. The people involved with this film are trying to introduce the UN 'universal messiah' into the mainstream.

To thirdwave-- don't you see it? They're offering their version of the messiah! If Z was so different and simply trying to free minds, it wouldn't be offering up a new messiah. It's an attempt to kill the old ideologies and usher in a new one-- the true Illuminati religion that the elite worship. In the end, it's all the same-- centralization of power. To me, Z is clearly Illuminati propaganda.

I'd love to hear David's take on this now that the Addendum is out.

[thirdwave]

So the fact that scientific dictatorship is why most of the technology is being developed for our enslavement. It would be nice to think that ordinary Joe would have benefits from these but its for the Elites only. Trans humanism etc.

well its clear a certain group have a desire but that does not mean thats how it will pan out...

did they want the internet to do what it has done? ...

and how good a job are they gona do and stopping it?... look at 9/11 look how much awareness that created...

also the internet is free for many people now....

again how the future pans out will very much depend on how we treat are fellow humans... which brings the good evil thing into the picture...

I dont think Z2 has made out its going to be easy sailing... it pointed out dangers... it pointed out the micro chip plan.... but it also pointed out how evolution will change... it has to...

I think people put to much respect to the intelligence and power of the elite.. within this society yes they are in control... and always have been but that's going to change and then IMO..

as icke says... the elite are clever... but not wise... and they are obviously afraid of something them selves..

I value both AJ and PJs input.... but I think AJ is unnessecerily sticking the boot in...

he says him self that Z has some very useful info... so why get hung up other point of views and different opinions... as long as the elite are pointed out and their wrong doings.. is technology really wrong? only if it is used for bad....

[romas]

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Originally Posted by a new reality awaits http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=564954#post564954)
We have to look into the people that are actually in the film. Alex isn't just knocking this to knock it. The individuals in Zeitgeist are connected to the Theosophical Society. This is clear Illuminati religion.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Ts_seal.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society

I think the seal proves the point. David would have a field day with that one. Now I'm sure of my prior post.

The Zeitgeist movement = The Illuminati movement

Remember... two sides that appear to be fighting each other that are working to the same end. Think about this before you start supporting it.


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It's of the Mystery school religions and they created those symbols - the New Age movement (hodge podge mix of various religions) They are/were eugenicists and believe the master race spiel. I agree with Dangermouse (having done the research, I'll try explain in brief but the keywords I use may help you to go and find out more) Lucifer was of the Greeks originally (Slave and masters system)

The Utopia is for the Elite when they've culled us - the herd, but they'll save some slaves. Masters need slaves, although they'll probably engineer a new slave race of cyborgs or what they call the new man..

Theosophy also added influences from John Dee (he coined the phrase the British Empire and was in with the Royalty of that time) His Rosicrucians where the forerunner to MI5/6 etc.

The Elite believe they are
Advanced souls (Gurus) and those in power who make the rules are there to guide humanity (the reality is they look at the masses/lower classes as inferior species and never have and never will do right by the masses and guide really means to rule it's double speak)

The Elite are parasites who feed off us mostly via usury.

These ideas originated with the Hindu caste system and reincarnation. (oldest known religion maybe where all others sprang from) hence the Swastika.

The philosophy of Theosophy was also believed to have influenced the Nazi philosophy (Hitler was a Rothschild probably) The hexagram has been the symbol for Zionism for sometime too and the identity of the Jewish religion, who some believe they are superior to others and are God's chosen ones. (see Babylonian Talmud)

Most of the passwords, rituals etc of Freemasonry come from Judaism (a religion the Brotherhood's invented before they the Elite priesthood got kicked out of Egypt/Babylon when the Egyptians revolted against their system of usury and slavery) They brought the Babylonian Talmud with them. and the Hexagram aka seal of Solomon aka Star of David, also the symbol the Rothschild (Zionists) used. Lucifer is their God. Rosenthal also admits this in his famous interview.

The oborous is symbolic and relates to the Protocols of Zion and there's picture of the snake encompassing the Globe/planet which means they have took over and control all = NWO.

Theosophists claim to channel the ascend masters (The United Nations still makes these claims) to guide humanity. When in reality it's group of think thanks NGO's men planning the now and the future.

Annie Bessant or one of the Theosophists even admitted
in letters to her sister that the channellings were fake and the names of the ascended masters where of her superiors in the Mystery schools.


Channellings are the basis for all religious texts. Crowley - Thelema, the book of law, some real sick stuff there. It was in reality the NWO plans revealed, not some spirit channeling. Crowley MI5/6 etc knew the game plan and may have been a Rothschild. Victor Rotshchild also MI5/6 etc was a double agent and in with the Communists (Zionists created Communism)




That's all good conspiracy theory, but you can't really demonize everyone who is looking for utopia, just like not every cathlic priest is pedo out to get you or in the know so to speak, most of them are just as brainwashed or just nice folks who are out to help people psychologically.

Most paranoics here will muddy the water, projecting their fears and thus demonizing everyone who's trying to provide solutions.

Christ story is incredible simbolism of enlightement, yet it's used for malevolent controll, so are the other mystic truths and "magic" tools are not inherently "evil"

I have yet to see anyone bringing realistic solutions appart VP(although hardly achievable at this rate) or some tangible proof J Fresco is working for the elite, everything can be corrupted in theory, open market - corruptable, socialism - corruptable, technocracy - corruptable even spirituality is corruptable...

[grenadene]

Peter Joseph was brought up as an Ashkenazi Jew.
He appears from his beliefs and interview to now have started his own religion.
So he is technically no longer a Jew.

But it is important for people to understand his background and take that in context with what he is advocating which to me appears to be a new version of Marxism based upon the Kibbutz system.

I was brought up on a council estate but I'm not a chav?

Circumstances of birth dont preclude you from having good ideas and personally I don't think that using machinary/tech for the benefit of all can be classed as starting a new religion.

PJ isn't claiming to be the messiah he's just made a couple of cracking (IMO) films I'm really suprised at the negative reaction to Z2 I think it gives a good insight into human behaviour. VP is incredibly idealistic but where's the harm in that? :)

[edelweiss pirate]

Peter Joseph was brought up as an Ashkenazi Jew.
He appears from his beliefs and interview to now have started his own religion.
So he is technically no longer a Jew.

But it is important for people to understand his background and take that in context with what he is advocating which to me appears to be a new version of Marxism based upon the Kibbutz system.

Seems fair enough.

I think we should be careful the mistakes of history are not repeated...

Because the godless nihilists among us are in danger if sweeping us all to the gas chambers..... if we fail to submit to 'reeducation'.
But that's Luciferians for you... they just muddy the waters.

I guess either you know 'God' or you don't. It's got nothing to do with being 'Christian' or this ism or that ism. More to do with being a caring, discernign human being looking out for the next NWO scam...

Well this is it!

[nwoexposer]

Wtf is The Theosophical Society?

[thirdwave]

This is so destructive to the truth movement. I wish Alex never got involved with discussing Z. Religion always guarantees a divide in peoples.



True, don't get me wrong I like AJ and think he is a decent guy, But he can be to full on and have to much of a "leader" role to much.... he is doing fine just doing his thing...

[romas]

wrong .

AJ makes mistakes like the rest of us. He is not all knowing either. He happens to know quite a bit about the NWO from his many years of research.
I don't think ignoring the NWO will make em go away. Zeitgeist does nothing to highlight the vastness of the NWO on its many levels. AJ does educating people encouraging people to get up off their ass and do something about. Zeitgeist is the disney channel version where everything will turn out nice and dandy and we won't have to do fuck all because the technology will take care of everything ( as u lie in ur battery pod :rolleyes:)




No one is all knowing, but I never follow anyone 100% there is still a good bit of chance (~25% I'd say) that he is just pretending to be a villange plonker. His interview was utter crap that scared most people away without scrutiny into Z project.

Ignoring them in a sense that we do not give them power or aknowledge them as these super evil gods, that which you focus you give your energy/power to.

Even the word "elite" cmon you call scum an elite?

Remember how sacrifice rituals were described? The victim has to be fully engulfed in utter terror and power of it's captor. Fearmongering does just that, lose hope, panic FEAR THEM! Go protest and get yourself killed by our jesui blackwater ;)

[nwoexposer]

Good question here for people who diss Alex Jones. Why bother listening to his show if you don't like him?!

[romas]

Peter Joseph was brought up as an Ashkenazi Jew.
He appears from his beliefs and interview to now have started his own religion.
So he is technically no longer a Jew.

But it is important for people to understand his background and take that in context with what he is advocating which to me appears to be a new version of Marxism based upon the Kibbutz system.



Sure lets demonise based on something idiotic like ethnic place of birth.

I love when David quotes Einstein - "A problem cannot be solved by the same consciousness that created it"

Guess what, he was Ashkenazi Jew to! Lets go slap David for quoting those bastards!

PSST: Don't forget your hood.

[dangermouse]

To overcome an enemy one must first understand ones enemy. AJ educates people on the nature of the beast. Ignoring the NWO is exactly what they want.
What they don't like is being exposed and stood up to.

[dangermouse]

Wtf is The Theosophical Society?

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5336

though Chris White did this ..

:p
That the same Chris who doesnt like Tsarion ?

[thirdwave]

To overcome an enemy one must first understand ones enemy. AJ educates people on the nature of the beast. Ignoring the NWO is exactly what they want.
What they don't like is being exposed and stood up to.

I agree, I just dont agree that Z ignores it... it just goes deeper into a bigger picture and touches on many relevent points...

I see it as another very decent rock in the wall.

[eternal_spirit]

Sure lets demonise based on something idiotic like ethnic place of birth.

I love when David quotes Einstein - "A problem cannot be solved by the same consciousness that created it"

Guess what, he was Ashkenazi Jew to! Lets go slap David for quoting those bastards!

PSST: Don't forget your hood.

Thing is though you and some others always spout about AJ being Christian or a red neck ranting (insert appropriate word) Truth is there are Jews/Muslims and Christians all exposing the NWO etc, so that's what matters.

[thirdwave]

anyone for a glass of Hardys Red? :)

[thirdwave]

Well that's the big issue for some it's a religion and others a race. Was Jewsus a Jew some say so some say not.

well that says allot about religion as a whole and what it was for... and it also says alot about what a "jew" is and how irrelevant it is as a tag, let alone use it to label the evil elite.

[dangermouse]

anyone for a glass of Hardys Red? :)

no thanks im working at 6 am :D

[a new reality awaits]

Lucis Trust of the United Nations article (http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/lucistrust.html)
Lucis Trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the so-called 'religion' of the United Nations. This is where Z is based in reality.

The organization was originally called the "Lucifer Publishing Company". However, the name "Lucis Trust" has been used from 1925. According to a statement on their website, the name "Lucifer" was used because, Bailey considered Lucifer, the fallen angel, a positive principle; as did, also, Helena Blavatsky.

Worshipers of Lucifer? I'll pass.

They think of Lucifer as a 'positive principle'. Now, lets think about this. When David references anything as 'Luciferian', it's not a good thing. Putting two and two together... still thinking... yep-- Illuminati all the way.:D

[steevo]

I think that Peter Joseph DID talk down to Alex Jones Thirdwave. That just goes to show that we all see everything differently :)

Anyway, the CONTENT of the information being discussed is what is important, the people saying the things are just a medium. We all have our thoughts on AJ and that has been discussed many times. What about the INFORMATION that Peter Joseph talks about ? Should we live in a "Utopia" in the way he describes, where the machines do all the works for us and if we dont agree with that system we get "re-educated" (by force ?) ? And the Illuminati stay in control of us just like they are now?

[thirdwave]

no thanks im working at 6 am :D

ahh well that's a decent enough excuse... :)

[thirdwave]

I think that Peter Joseph DID talk down to Alex Jones Thirdwave. That just goes to show that we all see everything differently :)

Anyway, the CONTENT of the information being discussed is what is important, the people saying the things are just a medium. We all have our thoughts on AJ and that has been discussed many times. What about the INFORMATION that Peter Joseph talks about ? Should we live in a "Utopia" in the way he describes, where the machines do all the works for us and if we dont agree with that system we get "re-educated" (by force ?) ? And the Illuminati stay in control of us just like they are now?

i thought is WWF comment was true... its like AJ tries to out shout the person for his own view... PJ to me was just using an easy opportunity to make him look silly... :)

but your right we do pick up on different things as no is perfect anyway..

[steevo]

i thought is WWF comment was true... its like AJ tries to out shout the person for his own view... PJ to me was just using an easy opportunity to make him look silly... :)

but your right we do pick up on different things as no is perfect anyway..

But what about this Utopian society that they want us to live in ?

[thirdwave]

But what about this Utopian society that they want us to live in ?

want us to?... or think we will live in?

where do you see us 50-60 years from now?

Good or Bad, things will change.

for good or for the bad, it is down to how well educated people are and how aware they are... And I don't mean about the NWO horror story.... I mean about human nature...

The future will be based on how we treat each other... this is half if Ickes point... knowing the NWO plan is one thing... but knowing that we create our reality is more important..

do we not want a NWO because of how savage we will be? if so are we worth saving? .... or will the NWO fail because we are a decent race?

[jos08]

Alex is very rude, I'm with him and against peter but Alex was very rude and immature so to speak.

[thirdwave]

my own hunch and i guess this is my possative side... I think the NWO will be put into place... but it will backfire on them.... I think there ideal will not work in their favour... I think they will lose to nature.

as nature will have away of infiltrating their system...

[steevo]

want us to?... or think we will live in?

where do you see us 50-60 years from now?

Good or Bad, things will change.

for good or for the bad, it is down to how well educated people are and how aware they are... And I don't mean about the NWO horror story.... I mean about human nature...

The future will be based on how we treat each other... this is half if Ickes point... knowing the NWO plan is one thing... but knowing that we create our reality is more important..

do we not want a NWO because of how savage we will be? if so are we worth saving? .... or will the NWO fail because we are a decent race?

It's not about us being a "decent race" whatever that means. In my opinion, the human race lives a society that has been designed and structured by a tiny minority of people. That tiny minority have systematically brainwashed and manipulated the people into believing a load of BS that can only lead to destruction. The people dont even know that they are brainwashed so how can they possibily live to thier true potential ? We can all sit back and say oh if we die/suffer it's simply because we have caused this ourselves.

This life is just a ride so dont be afraid to do the right thing. Sitting on our arses and all smugly saying that it's our own fault is just us living in a state of denial. If we werent all brainwashed then YES sit back and enjoy the ride whatever comes. But the people ARE brainwashed and disconnected from their true self and it's not by accident.

[thirdwave]

It's not about us being a "decent race" whatever that means. In my opinion, the human race lives a society that has been designed and structured by a tiny minority of people. That tiny minority have systematically brainwashed and manipulated the people into believing a load of BS that can only lead to destruction. The people dont even know that they are brainwashed so how can they possibily live to thier true potential ? We can all sit back and say oh if we die/suffer it's simply because we have caused this ourselves.

This life is just a ride so dont be afraid to do the right thing. Sitting on our arses and all smugly saying that it's our own fault is just us living in a state of denial. If we werent all brainwashed then YES sit back and enjoy the ride whatever comes. But the people ARE brainwashed and disconnected from their true self and it's not by accident.

thats all true... but its still us who create the place we live... like you say its only a tiny group who manipulate... its us who drive around swearing at other people for getting in our way....

My point is... what are peoples real solution other than shouting out to people "NWO attack!"

The NWO is to far in to simply be stopped.... everything will have to collapse of we will have to ride the wave and see to it that when we come out the other side we are still human!

The actual concept behind a NWO is very good and I believe it comes from a prophesy... but its one the elite are trying to contain as their own and to manipulate because of their own fears.....

I dont think the elites agenda is the most vital thing ... I think its our downfalls that are... we need to address our severe lack of spiritual understanding and lack of knowledge of the nature of reality...

I know many think thats "new age" whack.... but its true... and its the only reason we are in this mess.... I believe if Everyone wakes up to the real nature of reality then we can live in a world like in Z2.....

if everyone wakes up to the NWO, that's not enough... it will just mean one bad fruit bowl is dumped and a new faze starts in a system where more rats will come about... because that how the system was created...

[steevo]

thats all true... but its still us who create the place we live... like you say its only a tiny group who manipulate... its us who drive around swearing at other people for getting in our way....

My point is... what are peoples real solution other than shouting out to people "NWO attack!"

The NWO is to far in to simply be stopped.... everything will have to collapse of we will have to ride the wave and see to it that when we come out the other side we are still human!

The actual concept behind a NWO is very good and I believe it comes from a prophesy... but its one the elite are trying to contain as their own and to manipulate because of their own fears.....

I dont think the elites agenda is the most vital thing ... I think its our downfalls that are... we need to address our severe lack of spiritual understanding and lack of knowledge of the nature of reality...

I know many think thats "new age" whack.... but its true... and its the only reason we are in this mess.... I believe if Everyone wakes up to the real nature of reality then we can live in a world like in Z2.....

if everyone wakes up to the NWO, that's not enough... it will just mean one bad fruit bowl is dumped and a new faze starts in a system where more rats will come about... because that how the system was created...

Yes we have to become spiritual, and like you say, waking up to the NWO is DEFINITELY not enough.

What part would the Illuminati play in your NWO Utopia ?

[thirdwave]

Yes we have to become spiritual, and like you say, waking up to the NWO is DEFINITELY not enough.

What part would the Illuminati play in your NWO Utopia ?

there could be many scenarios I guess... I would like to think it would be a world where people are awake (what they have always feared) and they will just be the weak beings they really are..... I would like to think they would simply die out, that the way they are is no longer beneficial to them or appealing to anyone else.....

I have no need for revenge... I would just like to see those type of people fade away....

I think the "illuminati" are panicking... and are loosing power ...

I am also open to the fact that not all the people in the shadows are totally "evil" as such and do understand karma and so on... I think there is more to it than one group with one plan....



if David icke is right in who is controlling them then maybe once that control is gone... they will have to follow another program them selves... if we are all programming then they will have to deal with just them selves, and how to live in a world where others have the same power and knowledge as they do......

one thing I do know... its too far into it to suddenly take a couple pills...if you know what i mean...

[steevo]

there could be many scenarios I guess... I would like to think it would be a world where people are awake (what they have always feared) and they will just be the weak beings they really are..... I would like to think they would simply die out, that the way they are is no longer beneficial to them or appealing to anyone else.....

I have no need for revenge... I would just like to see those type of people fade away....

I think the "illuminati" are panicking... and are loosing power ...

I am also open to the fact that not all the people in the shadows are totally "evil" as such and do understand karma and so on... I think there is more to it than one group with one plan....



if David icke is right in who is controlling them then maybe once that control is gone... they will have to follow another program them selves... if we are all programming then they will have to deal with just them selves, and how to live in a world where others have the same power and knowledge as they do......

one thing I do know... its too far into it to suddenly take a couple pills...if you know what i mean...

The Illuminati are losing their "power" because we are AWARE. The more people who are aware the more power they lose. The PTB will NEVER give up the power and they are EXTREMELY clever fuckers (but not wise though). If they can steer us into a Utopia that THEY controll then they will do it. We do not need leaders (rulers). Once we are aware of who we REALLY are then we will all help each other anyway. Materialism WILL die off and money will no longer be necessary. The advancement of humanity is not related to technology, it relates to the advancement of self. Advancement of self would mean a state of oneness, and everything else is a bullshit illusion.

[shane]

I like Alex, but I think he was unfair and he went way OTT. I'd like to hear Peter Joseph being interviewed by David Icke.

[steevo]

I like Alex, but I think he was unfair and he went way OTT. I'd like to hear Peter Joseph being interviewed by David Icke.

So would I but I dont think that Ickey interviews, does he ?

[h2pogo]

after skimming this thread much to my amusment i would like to say.
i agree and dissagree with both sides
and neither side are nwo shills or what ever they are called.

also
united we stand divided we fall
and
no one is perfect

[grenadene]

I like Alex, but I think he was unfair and he went way OTT. I'd like to hear Peter Joseph being interviewed by David Icke.

That would an interesting debate :)

So would I but I dont think that Ickey interviews, does he ?

Maybe they could just have a chat over a nice cup of tea :)

[steevo]

That would an interesting debate :)



Maybe they could just have a chat over a nice cup of tea :)

I would love to know what Ickey thinks of those Zeitgeist movies.

I personally would not recommend that people take those movies TOO seriously but there is SOME truth in them (IMO), but it SEEMS that the makers of Zeitgeist want the rulers to continue to rule us but this time in a "Utopian" society. Now that would suggest to me that they are trying to pull another fast one on us :cool:

[h2pogo]

I would love to know what Ickey thinks of those Zeitgeist movies.

I personally would not recommend that people take those movies TOO seriously but there is SOME truth in them (IMO), but it SEEMS that the makers of Zeitgeist want the rulers to continue to rule us but this time in a "Utopian" society. Now that would suggest to me that they are trying to pull another fast one on us :cool:

zeitgeist was on the headline page so i would presume di approves.
why would it SEEM the makers want the rulers to continue to rule us as they have done a better job than most to expose them.

[steevo]

zeitgeist was on the headline page so i would presume di approves.
why would it SEEM the makers want the rulers to continue to rule us as they have done a better job than most to expose them.

Then who would be the Rulers of Utopia ? Preseumably the ones who say that we must be "re-educated" if we dont agree with their version of Utopia. Howwould they re-educate someone who doesnt want to be re-educated ? Force ?

I dont think that Ickey personally puts the stuff on his headlines page but maybe he does. I dont know for sure.

[h2pogo]

Then who would be the Rulers of Utopia ? Preseumably the ones who say that we must be "re-educated" if we dont agree with their version of Utopia. Howwould they re-educate someone who doesnt want to be re-educated ? Force ?

I dont think that Ickey personally puts the stuff on his headlines page but maybe he does. I dont know for sure.

I would like to think the people would be the rulers of the future/utopia,i dont think the film makes that clear unless i missed something.
but that is a valid question that needs answering.
depends what context re-educate is put,DI AJ and the whole truth movment are trying to re-educate.In some respect.
I would like to hear DIs views on the film.
I would assume he would like it as it exposes the same things he has been exposing.

[binkbonk]

:mad:

you're a shill...fuck off now away from my screen..and i don't get these things wrong believe me!:mad:How do you know that we do have souls? Isn't it just a theory???

I'm not trying to start a confrontation, I genuinely curious to know how you can be so positive. Anything is possible when you are speaking about the unproveable. Isn't it?

[thirdwave]

The Illuminati are losing their "power" because we are AWARE. The more people who are aware the more power they lose. The PTB will NEVER give up the power and they are EXTREMELY clever fuckers (but not wise though). If they can steer us into a Utopia that THEY controll then they will do it. We do not need leaders (rulers). Once we are aware of who we REALLY are then we will all help each other anyway. Materialism WILL die off and money will no longer be necessary. The advancement of humanity is not related to technology, it relates to the advancement of self. Advancement of self would mean a state of oneness, and everything else is a bullshit illusion.

people need to be aware they are not very well.... that's the first step... but they also need to know the disease. and what it does to them...

im not saying that the Z movies are the prime truth and should be final... I just dont agree they are bad.... who ever watches them with interest will be left asking questions and looking for more info... or they will ignore it like the rest...

so i dont see what's wrong with it... its a view point from one person who is reviling killer info.... and his view point is not baseless.... we could very well live in that world and I guess its up to us how that word becomes.

I think the elite know how to create their reality and they will just think...well those with the know will survive and in their eyes "the week" wont.... the ones that dont know how to use their mind to the max.... so I always feel its important to let people know the powers they have in there third eye... that's what can save them.

sounds far fetched but I think the truth is far fetched because we got to think quite alot to understand it...

[romas]

How do you know that we do have souls? Isn't it just a theory???

I'm not trying to start a confrontation, I genuinely curious to know how you can be so positive. Anything is possible when you are speaking about the unproveable. Isn't it?



It's the unifying feel from cradle to the grave when you feel the that you is the same you that was 20 years ago and not the constantly changing body cells.

[binkbonk]

It's the unifying feel from cradle to the grave when you feel the that you is the same you that was 20 years ago and not the constantly changing body cells.So feelings are all valid? Just because you feel it, means it exists?

I don't necessarily disagree but, I have valid doubts about the fundamental status quo of spirituality, and I question the belief that we have souls.

Isn't it entirely possible that we are misidentifying the feeling that makes us believe that we contain a soul?

Just thinking out loud...

[romas]

Well there's to much NDE data to prove that it exists beyond religious or philosophical proposals.
If some one has clinical death, but can hear what doctors are saying and then comes back to his body and they confirm what he heard, there is no more proof needed imo.

[loki]

for fucks sake ... when did the Zeitgeist Author ever use the word Utopian ....

seriously you guys clearly made this shit up ......

you cant just pretend someone said somthing and base and argument on it ....

he said its not perfect is just better then what we have .... If you think Zeitgeist is NWO .. your a fucking retard imo ..... this is a guy actually doing somthing about the situation instead of sitting forum making shit up and basing arguments on shit you know 100% uve made up

instead of trashing someones idea come up with a better one or stfu ... seriously .... this shit is getting beyond a joke now ...

im seriously thinking some of you guys so want to find something your just making shit up ....

the point im making is .. if you cant think for your self and need the opions of alex jones or anyone else to make up your mind ... you are not free, ur just under a diff kind of slavery

i have been seeing some stupid paranoid shit on this forum latly and seriously it needs to stop

rant over

[phonicboom]

loki tells it like it is again. :D

[h2pogo]

for fucks sake ... when did the Zeitgeist Author ever use the word Utopian ....

seriously you guys clearly made this shit up ......

you cant just pretend someone said somthing and base and argument on it ....

he said its not perfect is just better then what we have .... If you think Zeitgeist is NWO .. your a fucking retard imo ..... this is a guy actually doing somthing about the situation instead of sitting forum making shit up and basing arguments on shit you know 100% uve made up

instead of trashing someones idea come up with a better one or stfu ... seriously .... this shit is getting beyond a joke now ...

im seriously thinking some of you guys so want to find something your just making shit up ....

the point im making is .. if you cant think for your self and need the opions of alex jones or anyone else to make up your mind ... you are not free, ur just under a diff kind of slavery

i have been seeing some stupid paranoid shit on this forum latly and seriously it needs to stop

rant over

good rant

[spectruma]

for fucks sake ... when did the Zeitgeist Author ever use the word Utopian ...

What makes you think he has to use the word "Utopian" in order to validate the fact that what he's proposing is classic Utopianism?

[grenadene]

What makes you think he has to use the word "Utopian" in order to validate the fact that what he's proposing is classic Utopianism?

So using machines for the benefit of everyone is utopian? I dont think giving a 'best case scenario' is too much of a bad thing. It sounds like a lot of peole are worried about losing their standard of living... yet on a global scale more people stand to benefit!

are we one consciousness or not? I believe we are.

conditioning is EVERYTHING

[steevo]

So using machines for the benefit of everyone is utopian? I dont think giving a 'best case scenario' is too much of a bad thing. It sounds like a lot of peole are worried about losing their standard of living... yet on a global scale more people stand to benefit!

are we one consciousness or not? I believe we are.

conditioning is EVERYTHING

I'm not worried about "losing my standard of living". We have to realise that the PTB will do ANYTHING to stay in "power". One way that they would do it is to convince us that we must bring "change" and and live in a society where the machines work for us and then THEY remain behind the curtain pulling the strings. Who mends the machines, who makes them ? I dont need these machines. You obviously do "need" them, so the focus of your energy will be not on SELF, but on the cogs moving smoothly in THEIR machines (the system), it's like a new religion.
Human advancement is not about technology, it's about the SELF.

[romas]

I'm not worried about "losing my standard of living". We have to realise that the PTB will do ANYTHING to stay in "power". One way that they would do it is to convince us that we must bring "change" and and live in a society where the machines work for us and then THEY remain behind the curtain pulling the strings. Who mends the machines, who makes them ? I dont need these machines. You obviously do "need" them, so the focus of your energy will be not on SELF, but on the cogs moving smoothly in THEIR machines (the system), it's like a new religion.
Human advancement is not about technology, it's about the SELF.



You can focus on self when you don't need to worry about chopping enough wood to keep home temperature warm enough.

[steevo]

Originally Posted by steevo
Human advancement is not about technology, it's about the SELF.


You can focus on self when you don't need to worry about chopping enough wood to keep home temperature warm enough.

What is human advancement to you Romas ?

[grenadene]

I'm not worried about "losing my standard of living". We have to realise that the PTB will do ANYTHING to stay in "power". One way that they would do it is to convince us that we must bring "change" and and live in a society where the machines work for us and then THEY remain behind the curtain pulling the strings. Who mends the machines, who makes them ? I dont need these machines. You obviously do "need" them, so the focus of your energy will be not on SELF, but on the cogs moving smoothly in THEIR machines (the system), it's like a new religion.
Human advancement is not about technology, it's about the SELF.

How would you tell a geniune project from the NWO?

Currently we live in a society where the machines do most of the work...its just that the common working man doesn't benefit by a shorter working day.

[steevo]

How would you tell a geniune project from the NWO?
Currently we live in a society where the machines do most of the work...its just that the common working man doesn't benefit by a shorter working day.

We need to identify the Illuminati and ensure that they cannot influnce our lives anymore for a start off, and this has to be done BEFORE we consider a implimenting a new system.

[romas]

What is human advancement to you Romas ?


Thought development.

[steevo]

Thought development.

To what ends ?

[binkbonk]

Well there's to much NDE data to prove that it exists beyond religious or philosophical proposals.
If some one has clinical death, but can hear what doctors are saying and then comes back to his body and they confirm what he heard, there is no more proof needed imo."In the 1990s, Dr. Rick Strassman conducted research on the psychedelic drug Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) at the University of New Mexico. Strassman advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near-death was the cause of the near-death experience phenomenon".

[binkbonk]

So, maybe the idea of the soul starts and ends in our minds.

Our mind is trying to make sense out of something we don't completely understand.

[h2pogo]

if any one thinks we can live without machines in this day and age without murdering half the planet is wrong.imo
go and plough a ten acre field with a horse and tell me you dont need machines.
sorry to inform you but we are hopelessly addicted to machinery.

[romas]

To what ends ?



To infinity.

[romas]

"In the 1990s, Dr. Rick Strassman conducted research on the psychedelic drug Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) at the University of New Mexico. Strassman advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near-death was the cause of the near-death experience phenomenon".


That doesn't explain the situation I described.

[steevo]

if any one thinks we can live without machines in this day and age without murdering half the planet is wrong.imo
go and plough a ten acre field with a horse and tell me you dont need machines.
sorry to inform you but we are hopelessly addicted to machinery.

Yeah I agree, although I would prefer IF IT WAS POSSIBLE, to have a life without the machines, but I acccept that it probably isnt gonna happen for the reasons that you have mentioned.

I think that the first step is for a mass awakening to happen, closely followed by the removal of Illuminati, and then we can take it FROM THERE.

I am not saying that it's gonna be easy, because the system that they have created has brainwashed the populations into seeing each other as separate from one another (they have divided us) and this has made us unwilling to share and suspicious of one another. The awakening is ESSENTIAL.

[steevo]

Thought development.

To infinity.

What do you mean ? Thought development leading to what ? And for what purpose ?

[romas]

What do you mean ? Thought development leading to what ? And for what purpose ?


To undirstand and to experience more.

[northern_light]

"In the 1990s, Dr. Rick Strassman conducted research on the psychedelic drug Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) at the University of New Mexico. Strassman advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near-death was the cause of the near-death experience phenomenon".

DMT is there to assist our consciousness trough the transition when we die. The field around your body wich dissapears when you die, that is your "soul". People have died, then observed the nurses, the doctors even people in the rooms next to them, and then retold what everyone was doing(and even thinking) when (s)he was dead. Even if you are a die hard atheist, surely you must find it to be an odd coincidence that DMT gets released when we adream, when we are born and when we die(biggest doses with the two latter events).

[thegoodnessisgood]

So, maybe the idea of the soul starts and ends in our minds.

Our mind is trying to make sense out of something we don't completely understand.

Just use logic:

The universe is infinite
Energy is infinite
In an infinite universe where consciousness exists, consciousness being a form of energy must also be infinite.
Energy and consciousness cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes form.
Consciousness exists, therefore it cannot come from the physical body, it must be the body that comes from the consciousness.
It is only logical to assume that in an infinite universe where consciousness exists, that consciousness is infinite in all directions and dimensions, only it's form changes.
Death is not the end it's the beginning. The veils of forgetfulness are there for various purposes, I suppose for learning for one. If you don't know the real consequences of things that will mean you will do things more honestly if you think death is the end and you give your life for the love of someone else, well that says a lot about the state of your soul doesn't it. On the other hand if you cheat your grandma out of her last dollar and sell her into slavery because again, you think it all ends at death, that also says a lot, and when you die, you'll watch that and think "oh crap what did I do" and your grand ma will slap you!

[edit: in this do not mistake consciousness for simply conscious consciousness. I'm talking about all of consciousness, from that which directs the programming of the DNA, creation and dissolution of cellular structures, heart beats instincts and all of it right up to and beyond conscious minds]

[thegoodnessisgood]

DMT is there to assist our consciousness trough the transition when we die. The field around your body wich dissapears when you die, that is your "soul". People have died, then observed the nurses, the doctors even people in the rooms next to them, and then retold what everyone was doing(and even thinking) when (s)he was dead. Even if you are a die hard atheist, surely you must find it to be an odd coincidence that DMT gets released when we adream, when we are born and when we die(biggest doses with the two latter events).

It is the non-physical universe that is the template for the physical reality, not the other way around. Consciousness creates the body, not the other way around, consciousness is NOT a "product" of the physical processes, the body is the product of the spirit. In fact, if viewed from the right perspective, and we see the energy bodies we can see that the physical body is just another spiritual energetic body within and at a lower frequency than, the higher and other energy bodies. It is a manifested level of experience. It is manifested from the higher realms / templates of reality.

From that point of view, we can see that the DMT and in fact ALL chemical processes are just products of consciousness not the other way around. If the DMT is present, it is an energy, and it is an energy indicative of a specific consciousness. It is the consciousness of release.

If there is consciousness there must be a source at which it is pure, all, and total, that then filters down - even though all that is is simply all that is. In those realms existence is perfection in the moment of the all and instead of entrapment there is absolute freedom which can't be explained well in limited terms.

There is a "border" or "cell wall" to this reality we live in, which is what we say when spirits / souls / consciousness has "crossed over". That is the border you cannot cross over. It is like a rubber event horizon, and beyond that limit is infinity and it is beautiful. The feeling is like going on a great journey. It is not only in the mind. Like Morpheus says, you cannot be told what the Matrix is, you have to see it for yourself, and when you see, you realise that it is not imaginary. You can't spend much time at the border, there is nothing to see there but the fact that it's there is the point.

Within that border all is contained in this reality, all the many spirit worlds and levels, and physical existence.

Physical existence is an illusion precisely because physical existence is in fact simply just another spiritual level. There is no physicality in the sense that we determine it as being separate from the spiritual realities. It is just very dense, very real seeming, and very separate seeming. But observation shows quickly that it is just "another" level to things and not the only one, and not the definitive one.

What David Icke says about the body being a decoder to lock us into this vibration is absolutely precisely correct in terms of our current ability with language.

And it IS all energy. We are just in a spiritual reality that we have chosen to be locked into as consciousness. Even the locked in part is just part of the programming of the illusion. And that programming is a collective agreement to create this reality in that way, and can be changed. If you spend time and give yourself to just thinking about how this might "look" or "seem" in your mind's eye, you will start to see it, it's quite obvious really. There is no spirit world. We ARE in the spirit world, just one that has the programmed parameters of being physical as part of it's reality / illusion, and all the other programmed parameters of it. I believe this physical experience has been created by greater souls for the purpose of experience and learning and experimentation. I could be wrong. When I say greater souls, I guess I mean the greater part of ourselves of which we are amnesic of, but that is in full awareness of us. Who could say why this is like that. I don't understand why there is such pain in the world. Perhaps it is our stubborn refusal to see and realise that it IS illusion and accept ourselves and the true nature of what we are that is a painful state of consciousness, and the physical suffering we see is just an outward manifestation of that, just as the consciousness is manifesting the physical from the top down.

the idea that matter creates spirit is the silly reversal the illuminati types are so fond of. You know, black is white, bad is good, left is right, up is down, hate is love etc. No it's not. It's one way because that's the way it is. If you name the sky pink, it's still blue.

What is interesting to me is that there IS another side to all this, outside of the matrix in the all the is as David Icke says. But far from this being a definitive existence where it's simply all that doesn't really explain it. Because even the word "all" implies limitation since everything seems like a definitive definition of everything. It's very misleading. In fact on the other side are civilizations, physical types of existence but truly a feeling of freedom and peace. Outside of the matrix life is good! It's another reality and TRULY we are locked into a matrix reality right now with all the limitations that implies. It is really true to compare the matrix with the movie the Matrix as that is really a truthful and excellent analogy in so many ways, except that the physical reality in the matrix is also a matrix.

Consciousness filters DOWN not up. There are levels the dark cannot exist in, it is scientifically impossible. It is consciousness that sustains all from the top down - that is the true original meaning of the pyramid. The stupid and ignorant mystery school people believe it is another meaning, but that is their interpretation and shows only their misunderstanding. If they knew the truth, they wouldn't be wasting their time in mystery schools and trying to dominate this little world, they would be spending their time trying to get more and more enlightened and free themselves and others from the matrix so they could go and exist in that splendid beautiful peaceful all providing universe that exists past the border. So clearly, for whatever "hidden" knowledge they have, they have mixed it up so much that the real purpose and meaning is lost.

It is in the filtering down that various misunderstandings and stopped energy - energy consciousness that we don't want to feel or experience causes blockages in the consciousness fields and causes the currents of flowing energy to divert or be distorted, creating distorted perceptions and actualisations of reality, or to be blocked altogether. The energy that flows through us is simultaneously our perception of reality, and our effect on reality at the same time. It is one and the same. If your perception is distorted, then your experience is distorted, and your effect on reality is simultaneously distorted, it is in fact, one and the same thing.

Anyway, my thoughts and experiences ;)

[h2pogo]

Yeah I agree, although I would prefer IF IT WAS POSSIBLE, to have a life without the machines, but I acccept that it probably isnt gonna happen for the reasons that you have mentioned.

I think that the first step is for a mass awakening to happen, closely followed by the removal of Illuminati, and then we can take it FROM THERE.

I am not saying that it's gonna be easy, because the system that they have created has brainwashed the populations into seeing each other as separate from one another (they have divided us) and this has made us unwilling to share and suspicious of one another. The awakening is ESSENTIAL.

good points
I completley agree we need mass awakening and the removal of the illuminate.
I would say the majority of people are aware something is terribly wrong but many are scared to do any thing about it as there is no alternative.

it is a common answer i get "what are the alternatives??
we need sound alternatives for the awakening to happen.imo

has any one other than the venus project suggested anything??

[steevo]

good points
I completley agree we need mass awakening and the removal of the illuminate.
I would say the majority of people are aware something is terribly wrong but many are scared to do any thing about it as there is no alternative.

it is a common answer i get "what are the alternatives??
we need sound alternatives for the awakening to happen.imo

has any one other than the venus project suggested anything??

We should start a new thread where we all put our heads together and bounce ideas off one another. And when we come up with something that we think could work we could give it a name (just so that we can easily refer to it on different threads). And then start a new thread that goes into even greater detail. It SOUNDS easy I know, but it isnt. Hopefully what we can agree on is that the Illuminati must be removed and that their removal will have full support of the populations because they will have been made aware of the truth. Also, I hope that we all agree that the Venus Project is not the way.

Hagbard Celine has started an interesting thread along those lines (sort of) recently :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=570539#post570539

[h2pogo]

We should start a new thread where we all put our heads together and bounce ideas off one another. And when we come up with something that we think could work we could give it a name (just so that we can easily refer to it on different threads). And then start a new thread that goes into even greater detail. It SOUNDS easy I know, but it isnt. Hopefully what we can agree on is that the Illuminati must be removed and that their removal will have full support of the populations because they will have been made aware of the truth. Also, I hope that we all agree that the Venus Project is not the way.

Hagbard Celine has started an interesting thread along those lines (sort of) recently :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=570539#post570539

I agree we should start a thread to talk about alternatives.good idea.
I like the one hagbard started thanks for the link.
but not sure about the venus project yet as i dont know enough about it to judge.at least they have put forward an idea.
is it a form of communism or a form of anarchy?
how about anarchy as a solution??
I just started a thread to see how ppl here defined anarchy
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39594

[northern_light]

It is the non-physical universe that is the template for the physical reality, not the other way around. Consciousness creates the body, not the other way around, consciousness is NOT a "product" of the physical processes, the body is the product of the spirit. In fact, if viewed from the right perspective, and we see the energy bodies we can see that the physical body is just another spiritual energetic body within and at a lower frequency than, the higher and other energy bodies. It is a manifested level of experience. It is manifested from the higher realms / templates of reality.


I agree actually.;)

[a new reality awaits]

It is the non-physical universe that is the template for the physical reality, not the other way around. Consciousness creates the body, not the other way around, consciousness is NOT a "product" of the physical processes, the body is the product of the spirit. In fact, if viewed from the right perspective, and we see the energy bodies we can see that the physical body is just another spiritual energetic body within and at a lower frequency than, the higher and other energy bodies. It is a manifested level of experience. It is manifested from the higher realms / templates of reality.

From that point of view, we can see that the DMT and in fact ALL chemical processes are just products of consciousness not the other way around. If the DMT is present, it is an energy, and it is an energy indicative of a specific consciousness. It is the consciousness of release.

If there is consciousness there must be a source at which it is pure, all, and total, that then filters down - even though all that is is simply all that is. In those realms existence is perfection in the moment of the all and instead of entrapment there is absolute freedom which can't be explained well in limited terms.

There is a "border" or "cell wall" to this reality we live in, which is what we say when spirits / souls / consciousness has "crossed over". That is the border you cannot cross over. It is like a rubber event horizon, and beyond that limit is infinity and it is beautiful. The feeling is like going on a great journey. It is not only in the mind. Like Morpheus says, you cannot be told what the Matrix is, you have to see it for yourself, and when you see, you realise that it is not imaginary. You can't spend much time at the border, there is nothing to see there but the fact that it's there is the point.

Within that border all is contained in this reality, all the many spirit worlds and levels, and physical existence.

Physical existence is an illusion precisely because physical existence is in fact simply just another spiritual level. There is no physicality in the sense that we determine it as being separate from the spiritual realities. It is just very dense, very real seeming, and very separate seeming. But observation shows quickly that it is just "another" level to things and not the only one, and not the definitive one.

What David Icke says about the body being a decoder to lock us into this vibration is absolutely precisely correct in terms of our current ability with language.

And it IS all energy. We are just in a spiritual reality that we have chosen to be locked into as consciousness. Even the locked in part is just part of the programming of the illusion. And that programming is a collective agreement to create this reality in that way, and can be changed. If you spend time and give yourself to just thinking about how this might "look" or "seem" in your mind's eye, you will start to see it, it's quite obvious really. There is no spirit world. We ARE in the spirit world, just one that has the programmed parameters of being physical as part of it's reality / illusion, and all the other programmed parameters of it. I believe this physical experience has been created by greater souls for the purpose of experience and learning and experimentation. I could be wrong. When I say greater souls, I guess I mean the greater part of ourselves of which we are amnesic of, but that is in full awareness of us. Who could say why this is like that. I don't understand why there is such pain in the world. Perhaps it is our stubborn refusal to see and realise that it IS illusion and accept ourselves and the true nature of what we are that is a painful state of consciousness, and the physical suffering we see is just an outward manifestation of that, just as the consciousness is manifesting the physical from the top down.

the idea that matter creates spirit is the silly reversal the illuminati types are so fond of. You know, black is white, bad is good, left is right, up is down, hate is love etc. No it's not. It's one way because that's the way it is. If you name the sky pink, it's still blue.

What is interesting to me is that there IS another side to all this, outside of the matrix in the all the is as David Icke says. But far from this being a definitive existence where it's simply all that doesn't really explain it. Because even the word "all" implies limitation since everything seems like a definitive definition of everything. It's very misleading. In fact on the other side are civilizations, physical types of existence but truly a feeling of freedom and peace. Outside of the matrix life is good! It's another reality and TRULY we are locked into a matrix reality right now with all the limitations that implies. It is really true to compare the matrix with the movie the Matrix as that is really a truthful and excellent analogy in so many ways, except that the physical reality in the matrix is also a matrix.

Consciousness filters DOWN not up. There are levels the dark cannot exist in, it is scientifically impossible. It is consciousness that sustains all from the top down - that is the true original meaning of the pyramid. The stupid and ignorant mystery school people believe it is another meaning, but that is their interpretation and shows only their misunderstanding. If they knew the truth, they wouldn't be wasting their time in mystery schools and trying to dominate this little world, they would be spending their time trying to get more and more enlightened and free themselves and others from the matrix so they could go and exist in that splendid beautiful peaceful all providing universe that exists past the border. So clearly, for whatever "hidden" knowledge they have, they have mixed it up so much that the real purpose and meaning is lost.

It is in the filtering down that various misunderstandings and stopped energy - energy consciousness that we don't want to feel or experience causes blockages in the consciousness fields and causes the currents of flowing energy to divert or be distorted, creating distorted perceptions and actualisations of reality, or to be blocked altogether. The energy that flows through us is simultaneously our perception of reality, and our effect on reality at the same time. It is one and the same. If your perception is distorted, then your experience is distorted, and your effect on reality is simultaneously distorted, it is in fact, one and the same thing.

Anyway, my thoughts and experiences ;)

Fantastic. You write like David!:)

BTW, anyone that hasn't read the Guide to the Global Conspiracy, do so NOW! I just finished it (yep, all six hundred and two pages) and... well... it's amazing.:D

[revolutionary_jam]

alex got pwnd because he had to resort to ad hominem attacks rather than address individual points

[steevo]

alex got pwnd because he had to resort to ad hominem attacks rather than address individual points

But surely this is about the info that was being discussed and not about who was the more articulate.

[revolutionary_jam]

But surely this is about the info that was being discussed and not about who was the more articulate.yeah and glorifying the "free market" is idiotic because the free market always incentivises the most unethical means of production a company can get away with as this allows them to deliver a cheaper product

the market sees human being as "units" of labour to be exploited for the maximum production at the minimum wage.

[steevo]

yeah and glorifying the "free market" is idiotic because the free market always incentivises the most unethical means of production a company can get away with as this allows them to deliver a cheaper product

the market sees human being as "units" of labour to be exploited for the maximum production at the minimum wage.

Yeah I agree but at least AJ wants a "free market" WITHOUT the Illuminati orchestrating it and that's a START all least. We need to get rid of the Illuminati and we ALL need to awaken PRIOR to starting a new system such as the Venus Project IMO.
Presently what is known as the "free market" will NEVER work. The free market does not appeal to me because it is based on making as much money as possible for the sake of greed in a dog eat dog world. An wakening of the masses would mean that the dog eat dog attitude would be ended and we could then start a new system WITHOUT THE ILLUMINATI. They have to GO.

Edit : I have to say that I would much prefer a system based on freedom, rather than the Venus Project.

[revolutionary_jam]

Edit : I have to say that I would much prefer a system based on freedom, rather than the Venus Project. The freedom to exploit people?

[steevo]

The freedom to exploit people?

No.
the freedom not to be TOLD that I mustn't do something that harms no-one. Like live how I want to WITHOUT MACHINES if I wish.

[london_lad_84]

No.
the freedom not to be TOLD that I mustn't do something that harms no-one. Like live how I want to WITHOUT MACHINES if I wish.

The venus project would allow total freedom because their would be no authority, the venus project or another like it wont happen if people do not co-operate to make it happen and that will only occur if there is a mass change in consciousness and if the current slave institutions are removed.

[steevo]

The venus project would allow total freedom because their would be no authority, the venus project or another like it wont happen if people do not co-operate to make it happen and that will only occur if there is a mass change in consciousness and if the current slave institutions are removed.

Yes that is TRUE but we have to discuss any proposed new system IN DEPTH (like we are doing now) so that we see it from ALL angles.

For any new system, would some new constitutions have to be drawn up (by the people and for the people) ?

[reptileslayer]

It is the non-physical universe that is the template for the physical reality, not the other way around. Consciousness creates the body, not the other way around, consciousness is NOT a "product" of the physical processes, the body is the product of the spirit. In fact, if viewed from the right perspective, and we see the energy bodies we can see that the physical body is just another spiritual energetic body within and at a lower frequency than, the higher and other energy bodies. It is a manifested level of experience. It is manifested from the higher realms / templates of reality.

From that point of view, we can see that the DMT and in fact ALL chemical processes are just products of consciousness not the other way around. If the DMT is present, it is an energy, and it is an energy indicative of a specific consciousness. It is the consciousness of release.

If there is consciousness there must be a source at which it is pure, all, and total, that then filters down - even though all that is is simply all that is. In those realms existence is perfection in the moment of the all and instead of entrapment there is absolute freedom which can't be explained well in limited terms.

There is a "border" or "cell wall" to this reality we live in, which is what we say when spirits / souls / consciousness has "crossed over". That is the border you cannot cross over. It is like a rubber event horizon, and beyond that limit is infinity and it is beautiful. The feeling is like going on a great journey. It is not only in the mind. Like Morpheus says, you cannot be told what the Matrix is, you have to see it for yourself, and when you see, you realise that it is not imaginary. You can't spend much time at the border, there is nothing to see there but the fact that it's there is the point.

Within that border all is contained in this reality, all the many spirit worlds and levels, and physical existence.

Physical existence is an illusion precisely because physical existence is in fact simply just another spiritual level. There is no physicality in the sense that we determine it as being separate from the spiritual realities. It is just very dense, very real seeming, and very separate seeming. But observation shows quickly that it is just "another" level to things and not the only one, and not the definitive one.

What David Icke says about the body being a decoder to lock us into this vibration is absolutely precisely correct in terms of our current ability with language.

And it IS all energy. We are just in a spiritual reality that we have chosen to be locked into as consciousness. Even the locked in part is just part of the programming of the illusion. And that programming is a collective agreement to create this reality in that way, and can be changed. If you spend time and give yourself to just thinking about how this might "look" or "seem" in your mind's eye, you will start to see it, it's quite obvious really. There is no spirit world. We ARE in the spirit world, just one that has the programmed parameters of being physical as part of it's reality / illusion, and all the other programmed parameters of it. I believe this physical experience has been created by greater souls for the purpose of experience and learning and experimentation. I could be wrong. When I say greater souls, I guess I mean the greater part of ourselves of which we are amnesic of, but that is in full awareness of us. Who could say why this is like that. I don't understand why there is such pain in the world. Perhaps it is our stubborn refusal to see and realise that it IS illusion and accept ourselves and the true nature of what we are that is a painful state of consciousness, and the physical suffering we see is just an outward manifestation of that, just as the consciousness is manifesting the physical from the top down.

the idea that matter creates spirit is the silly reversal the illuminati types are so fond of. You know, black is white, bad is good, left is right, up is down, hate is love etc. No it's not. It's one way because that's the way it is. If you name the sky pink, it's still blue.

What is interesting to me is that there IS another side to all this, outside of the matrix in the all the is as David Icke says. But far from this being a definitive existence where it's simply all that doesn't really explain it. Because even the word "all" implies limitation since everything seems like a definitive definition of everything. It's very misleading. In fact on the other side are civilizations, physical types of existence but truly a feeling of freedom and peace. Outside of the matrix life is good! It's another reality and TRULY we are locked into a matrix reality right now with all the limitations that implies. It is really true to compare the matrix with the movie the Matrix as that is really a truthful and excellent analogy in so many ways, except that the physical reality in the matrix is also a matrix.

Consciousness filters DOWN not up. There are levels the dark cannot exist in, it is scientifically impossible. It is consciousness that sustains all from the top down - that is the true original meaning of the pyramid. The stupid and ignorant mystery school people believe it is another meaning, but that is their interpretation and shows only their misunderstanding. If they knew the truth, they wouldn't be wasting their time in mystery schools and trying to dominate this little world, they would be spending their time trying to get more and more enlightened and free themselves and others from the matrix so they could go and exist in that splendid beautiful peaceful all providing universe that exists past the border. So clearly, for whatever "hidden" knowledge they have, they have mixed it up so much that the real purpose and meaning is lost.

It is in the filtering down that various misunderstandings and stopped energy - energy consciousness that we don't want to feel or experience causes blockages in the consciousness fields and causes the currents of flowing energy to divert or be distorted, creating distorted perceptions and actualisations of reality, or to be blocked altogether. The energy that flows through us is simultaneously our perception of reality, and our effect on reality at the same time. It is one and the same. If your perception is distorted, then your experience is distorted, and your effect on reality is simultaneously distorted, it is in fact, one and the same thing.

Anyway, my thoughts and experiences ;)Very good post i enjoyed reading it.

[dangermouse]

The venus project would allow total freedom because their would be no authority, the venus project or another like it wont happen if people do not co-operate to make it happen and that will only occur if there is a mass change in consciousness and if the current slave institutions are removed.

venus project could happen but not in our lifetime .. just could not and would not work .. would be worse than capitalism even the twisted version we have now imho

[london_lad_84]

Yes that is TRUE but we have to discuss any proposed new system IN DEPTH (like we are doing now) so that we see it from ALL angles.

For any new system, would some new constitutions have to be drawn up (by the people and for the people) ?


The venus project does not propose any laws, it opposes any form of governance because that creates authority and authority imposes control, a constitution puts limits on what people can do.

[london_lad_84]

venus project could happen but not in our lifetime .. just could not and would not work .. would be worse than capitalism even the twisted version we have now imho


I think it is strange why you think the venus project or another like it would be a worse place to live than the current controlled slave society.

[steevo]

I think it is strange why you think the venus project or another like it would be a worse place to live than the current controlled slave society.

It COULD be worse. I mean, they are at present making the current system a hell of alot worse than it was before and at no time did they tell us that this current system was purposely built to destroy people. We just have to be VERY careful that's all, and question EVERYTHING.

[london_lad_84]

It COULD be worse. I mean, they are at present making the current system a hell of alot worse than it was before and at no time did they tell us that this current system was purposely built to destroy people. We just have to be VERY careful that's all, and question EVERYTHING.


A society without an army, money, police, laws or government would not be worse than the current slave society.

[pdcdp]

you still seem to be talking about systems and society.

systems and society are unnecessary concepts for us and i think this is why none of these projects can ever really work. all we need to do is remove governance by ceasing to feed it with our labour and consent, then start to make tangible contributions within and between our own personal social circles, redeveloping our networks according to what is actually relevant to each individual.

why does everyone seem to be looking for the one ultimate solution to meet everybody's needs? why should anybody have anything imposed upon them? why can't somebody be a part of multiple social groups?

we need to stop thinking about this in such a physical sense. physically, any kind of separation can only bring boundary, territory and stigma. the problems we face are all conceptual, the subject has become too vast for anyone to find a single cure, and we are bred to accept that some things are just too much for our tiny minds to process. so we give up, often without realising that our approach was fundamentally flawed.

start small, and ffs don't hand control over your life to anyone.

[london_lad_84]

you still seem to be talking about systems and society.

systems and society are unnecessary concepts for us and i think this is why none of these projects can ever really work. all we need to do is remove governance by ceasing to feed it with our labour and consent, then start to make tangible contributions within and between our own personal social circles, redeveloping our networks according to what is actually relevant to each individual.

why does everyone seem to be looking for the one ultimate solution to meet everybody's needs? why should anybody have anything imposed upon them? why can't somebody be a part of multiple social groups?

we need to stop thinking about this in such a physical sense. physically, any kind of separation can only bring boundary, territory and stigma. the problems we face are all conceptual, the subject has become too vast for anyone to find a single cure, and we are bred to accept that some things are just too much for our tiny minds to process. so we give up, often without realising that our approach was fundamentally flawed.

start small, and ffs don't hand control over your life to anyone.

Anytime people co-operate and co-ordinate for a common goal a system is created, it enables humanity to build infrastructure.

A solution to a problem gives people a goal to aim for, a goal gives people incentive, incentive can be directed through synergy, synergy and the law of attraction can make a utopian society happen. Matter created from the mind.

A utopian society would not happen without co-operation, and mutliple social groups is a good thing and there is not a reason why different social groups could occur within the venus project.

The same questions are asked about the venus project idea and the same answers are given continually, i cant envision any revelations occuring from continuing this debate further, a utopian society will not happen unless there is a mass consciousness change.

EDIT: The arguments against the zeitgeist movement do not stand up, people opposing the solution never answer how the NWO will control society without the police, money, army and government. Why? Because there is no relevant argument, atleast until now that i have heard or seen.

[deckard]

systems and society are unnecessary concepts for us and i think this is why none of these projects can ever really work. all we need to do is remove governance by ceasing to feed it with our labour and consent, then start to make tangible contributions within and between our own personal social circles, redeveloping our networks according to what is actually relevant to each individual.


Its not a concept, its the result of thousands of years of civilsation advancing.
Sure remove yourself from society, dont work, dont pay tax, dont send your kids to school etc
This means you and your group have these options now, you stay in society still but turn to crime for money, how else will you feed yourselves and pay bills?
Or leave society, go out into the wilderness with absolutely nothing from the civilisation you despise, and start again.
Your descendants if left alone will probably become very primitive people.

[romas]

you still seem to be talking about systems and society.

systems and society are unnecessary concepts for us and i think this is why none of these projects can ever really work. all we need to do is remove governance by ceasing to feed it with our labour and consent, then start to make tangible contributions within and between our own personal social circles, redeveloping our networks according to what is actually relevant to each individual.

why does everyone seem to be looking for the one ultimate solution to meet everybody's needs? why should anybody have anything imposed upon them? why can't somebody be a part of multiple social groups?

we need to stop thinking about this in such a physical sense. physically, any kind of separation can only bring boundary, territory and stigma. the problems we face are all conceptual, the subject has become too vast for anyone to find a single cure, and we are bred to accept that some things are just too much for our tiny minds to process. so we give up, often without realising that our approach was fundamentally flawed.

start small, and ffs don't hand control over your life to anyone.



We're not ready for "systemless" society, this is even more of an pie in the sky concept than VP.
I mean sure after thousands of years of peace and intellectual growth we could form something like that.
Today we had thousands of years of wars and intellectual degradation...