Mod alert: Please contact david icke!!!!!

[raptorialis]

HEY MODERATORS.... WE WANT DAVID ICKE TO BECOME THE SUPPORTERS OF THE PEOPLE AGAINST ALL ATTEMPTS TO COLLECT DEBTS FROM ORDINARY CITIZENS.

THE PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO PAY TAXES BUT THEY WILL NO LONGER BE THREATENED BY THE VERY INSTITUTIONS THAT THEIR MONEY HAS GONE TO BAIL OUT. THEY WILL REPAY THEIR DEBTS, BUT WILL NOT BE THROWN OUT OF THEIR HOMES OR SUFFER INJUSTICE FROM LENDERS ANY LONGER.

SO MODERATORS, PLEASE ALERT DAVID ICKE THAT WE WANT HIM TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING THE PEOPLE BY DEVELOPING AN AGENDA THAT WILL SEE 1 MILLION PEOPLE JOIN TOGETHER AND SAY NO!

NO TO HOME REPOSSESSIONS. NO TO LENDER INJUSTICE OF ANY KIND.

http://www.airynothing.com/blogs/photos/monster_at_the_door-thumb.jpg

[banks08]

hey im all in

the bailiffs been harassin my mum for ages now to pay council tax debts

[pleasuredome]

we seriously need a forum for this issue, to work out ways so that hard up people can play the system at their own game!

[beldazar]

thats a good idea pleasuredome, I really think that David is doing far too much already and is doing a fantastic job. Nobody could possibly ask him for more!

[jojo]

great thread, will be keeping my eye on it to see what folk come up with. its a good idea. we do need to take action soon as a mass... i dont mean banners and protests, but actual saying "no, Im not gonna put up with this shit in my life any longer" and fuck the ridiculas debts and criminal laws imposed on us daily!

[haukipesukone]

thats a good idea pleasuredome, I really think that David is doing far too much already and is doing a fantastic job. Nobody could possibly ask him for more!

Yeah, Icke doesn't have any super powers. What he can do, most people can do.

[1694]

For Fucks Sake Do you deliberatly have that 100% arse backwards? Pay your private debts, if anything default on your taxes.

[marpat]

HEY MODERATORS.... WE WANT DAVID ICKE TO BECOME THE SUPPORTERS OF THE PEOPLE AGAINST ALL ATTEMPTS TO COLLECT DEBTS FROM ORDINARY CITIZENS.

THE PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO PAY TAXES BUT THEY WILL NO LONGER BE THREATENED BY THE VERY INSTITUTIONS THAT THEIR MONEY HAS GONE TO BAIL OUT. THEY WILL REPAY THEIR DEBTS, BUT WILL NOT BE THROWN OUT OF THEIR HOMES OR SUFFER INJUSTICE FROM LENDERS ANY LONGER.

SO MODERATORS, PLEASE ALERT DAVID ICKE THAT WE WANT HIM TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING THE PEOPLE BY DEVELOPING AN AGENDA THAT WILL SEE 1 MILLION PEOPLE JOIN TOGETHER AND SAY NO!

NO TO HOME REPOSSESSIONS. NO TO LENDER INJUSTICE OF ANY KIND.

http://www.airynothing.com/blogs/photos/monster_at_the_door-thumb.jpg


Does this include all the idiots who spend far beyond their means? there are too many people who buy on the never-never without thinking of the consequences.

You want to be safe from lender injustice dont borrow.

[1694]

Does this include all the idiots who spend far beyond their means? there are too many people who buy on the never-never without thinking of the consequences.

You want to be safe from lender injustice dont borrow.

A slamming fist full of truth there from marpat.

[armoured_amazon]

I'm in!

[shodan]

This is just my opinion:

most people borrow money because they can't afford to buy or repair their car needed to get to work the next day in order to earn money to pay for the car, shelter and food.

I have less sympathy for all the people who bought a second house, in order to be able to tell everyone they've got two houses.

But at the end of the day this debt system is the cause of all the worlds problems and suffering and we all need unite against it, somehow

[marpat]

This is just my opinion:

most people borrow money because they can't afford to buy or repair their car needed to get to work the next day in order to earn money to pay for the car, shelter and food.

I have less sympathy for all the people who bought a second house, in order to be able to tell everyone they've got two houses.

But at the end of the day this debt system is the cause of all the worlds problems and suffering and we all need unite against it, somehow

But its is not always like this. I never had a car until I was over 32 because I never depended on one. I know plenty of people with huge debts purely because they like to have all the good stuff.

People do not need cars. I only learned to drive when I was 32. I used buses and trains before that, or walked even in winter.

A lot of debt is purely pressure. People want to buy their kids the best things but dont have the money so they go into debt. They dont want to give up their holidays abroad so they get a loan. If people actually sacrificed the things that they do not need then they would help themselves enormously. When my wife and I live in our first flat we could only afford food of around £10-15 per week but we got by.

I have very little sympathy for people because I see so many people spending what they dont have and then begging people to get them out of trouble. We managed to get through our hardships by lots of sacrifice and I would expect others to do the same.

[shodan]

But its is not always like this. I never had a car until I was over 32 because I never depended on one. I know plenty of people with huge debts purely because they like to have all the good stuff.

I know people like that too, and have less sympathy for them. you are only talking about one particular group of people. There's a significant amount of school and university leavers (already in debt for going to university) leavers who are finding it extremely difficult to afford a house or a car.

There's a huge amount of people in debt in order to survive, as there is a huge amount of people who are in debt because of greed.

People do not need cars. I only learned to drive when I was 32. I used buses and trains before that, or walked even in winter.

Depends where you are, sometimes I walk even in winter too.

A lot of debt is purely pressure. People want to buy their kids the best things but dont have the money so they go into debt. They dont want to give up their holidays abroad so they get a loan. If people actually sacrificed the things that they do not need then they would help themselves enormously. When my wife and I live in our first flat we could only afford food of around £10-15 per week but we got by.

a lot if not most people go into debt after sacrificing those things.

I have very little sympathy for people because I see so many people spending what they dont have and then begging people to get them out of trouble. We managed to get through our hardships by lots of sacrifice and I would expect others to do the same

Depends which people your talking about, because the people you are describing do not make up the whole, and may even be the lesser compared to people genuinely in debt through no fault of their own. Far too big a generalisation.

[lightgiver]

The reason people are in debt,is because they are programmed to get in debt,with all the msm news,advertising, adverts on tv get that loan this loan consolidate your debts, the flippin tv and advertising as been brainwashing the masses for years,no wonder people are in debt.

so when the banks are giving all the money out do you think they do not know what they are doing?it is ok for the banks to get bailed out with billions of dollars or pounds when they are in the shit,but as soon as the ordinary people get in the shit do they get help?NO.

Oh Christmas is coming,but do we really celebrate the meaning of Christmas,NO, people are made to believe to buy even more shit,and what should we really be doing at Christmas is helping the POOR,not the rich,what a load of hypocrisy it all is:(

[planetsadhana]

forgive those materialistic people who have tried to buy their happiness through toys,

we must free ourselves from slavery.

[simplify]

I say boycott paying taxes...you in Britain are so overburdned with high taxation at all levels. (sort out which taxes to boycot) and unsubscribe from cable/satellite tv. Rent a movie for entertainment. That way, the young generation will not be exposed to the marketing brainwashing from the tv commercials. Also do not buy any glossy magazines....all advertising to buy more stuff that you don't need. Learn what your basic needs are, and buy only these things. Ignore the rest. Its amazing how much more in control of your life you will feel, & you can gloat at not supporting big wigs:D:D:D:D I did this & I am debt free.....feels great.:)

[jojo]

forgive those materialistic people who have tried to buy their happiness through toys,

we must free ourselves from slavery.

:) words of wisdom there.. very true

[pinkgeranium]

forgive those materialistic people who have tried to buy their happiness through toys,

we must free ourselves from slavery.

Well said.................... Expensive Labels and overt outward shows of wealth are all about trying to fit in.

Ive seen babies in buggies wearing thick gold necklaces and labeled trainers .................its just so shallow and sad:confused:

[1694]

I have less problem with advertising, so what if it makes you want something, maybe that will motivate you to work and earn what you want.

For a long time I had 2 jobs, my own business and then a part time job evenings and weekends. This allowed me to live the life I CHOSE and not a penny more.

I still drive a piece of junk car, i was thinking about getting a new one, so I have applied to get my old part time job back to save the extra money till I can afford it. I also cycle to save on petrol, watch how much I spend on a night out etc. etc.

[rhydra]

I'm trying to lure some bailiffs at the moment. Someone else's debt, they wan birth certificate sending, no bloody way! If anyone appears with a van and breaks in it's aggravated burglary and all stops will be pulled out. ;)

Indeed, the help given to the banks is being withheld from the supposed citizens of this country, I have a message, you are not citizens, never have been, never will be. You are slaves, in bonded labour, commodities ready to be launched into poverty when the government and their rich friends need the economy to cool down.

What is needed is a concerted effort, the time is getting right for a grass roots movement to ditch the government and their apparatus and set up a system which is better for us, not them.

What is needed is a mass renunciation of citizenship, you are not citizens, you don't need to pay taxes and you have no need to remain loyal to this corrupt and sorry wreck of a country.

[simplify]

I have less prhttp://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/editor/separator.gifoblem with advertising, so what if it makes you want something, maybe that will motivate you to work and earn what you want.

For a long time I had 2 jobs, my own business and then a part time job evenings and weekends. This allowed me to live the life I CHOSE and not a penny more.

I still drive a piece of junk car, i was thinking about getting a new one, so I have applied to get my old part time job back to save the extra money till I can afford it. I also cycle to save on petrol, watch how much I spend on a night out etc. etc.

"you have no problem with advertising, so what if it makes you want something etc." but thats the whole point of marketing-its to create another need within you, with the false perception of creating happiness. So you are constantly being exploited to continually buy something, whether you need it or not.
"For a long time I had 2 jobs, my own business etc" Where did you find the time to actually have a life outside of work. To me you fitted perfectly into the slave syndrome. Thats no way for us to live our life.

Nowadays, people who are conscious of how they are living, & being careful to not get into debt are finding themselves struggling to stay out of debt. Simply because the cost of all necessites are increasing daily, & wages are not going up accordingly. Couple that with more and more new taxes & people will not be able to cope. This is a realistic view of our reality now.

So imo its not fair to say that all people are being foolish and are overspending. Those days are gone. The system has set it up in such a way, that people would have to go into debt just to survive.

[1694]

"you have no problem with advertising, so what if it makes you want something etc." but thats the whole point of marketing-its to create another need within you, with the false perception of creating happiness. So you are constantly being exploited to continually buy something, whether you need it or not.
"For a long time I had 2 jobs, my own business etc" Where did you find the time to actually have a life outside of work. To me you fitted perfectly into the slave syndrome. Thats no way for us to live our life.

Nowadays, people who are conscious of how they are living, & being careful to not get into debt are finding themselves struggling to stay out of debt. Simply because the cost of all necessites are increasing daily, & wages are not going up accordingly. Couple that with more and more new taxes & people will not be able to cope. This is a realistic view of our reality now.

So imo its not fair to say that all people are being foolish and are overspending. Those days are gone. The system has set it up in such a way, that people would have to go into debt just to survive.

Advertising creates a want not a need, you decide what you want most in life; some piece of junk of QVC or no balifs comming to hassle you.

I had my business which made less money than a normal I could have got 9-5 but I love what I did and still do. Slave mentality right, self employed, own hours, decide when enough profit is enough and take an afternoon off.

For extra "beer money" I worked 3-4 shifts a week,
I was still able to fit in 4 sports sessions a week, plus 2 hours in the gym and could go out on the lash Sat nights often with the very friends I had from the shift work.

Things I gave up, watching TV mainly, I organised my time well.

[raptorialis]

To be frank i think those who knock the ordinary man in debt stink.

Most ordinary people i know have 3 options
1. Live on the streets
2. Pay someone else's 2nd mortgage via exhaustionate rent
3. Get a mortgage, so you can live somewhere

If you think that sounds like a fair choice then you must be deluded.

Especially as most people on here spend their lives knocking the Illuminati super rich. For them to say, the ordinary man deserves it because he is greedy??

This thread isn't about people who are fat, lazy bourgeoisie types. This thread is about people who are being conned out of their homes by companies that promise to buy their house and rent in back to them, only for them to find in the small print that they can be put you out on the street within 6months to one year. And i am telling you they do. There are 8,000 of these predatory companies in the UK alone and have done 50,000 transactions.

This thread is for all those hard working ordinary people who are being ripped off by the system.

So hopefully people will think about what i am proposing and begin putting some kind of constructive action to the words. And i am not just talking about U.S and UK. We should try and help everyone in trouble with debt to pay for basic needs (and a home is a basic need for everyone).

Hopefully David Icke will support this.


HEY MODERATORS.... WE WANT DAVID ICKE TO BECOME THE SUPPORTERS OF THE PEOPLE AGAINST ALL ATTEMPTS TO COLLECT DEBTS FROM ORDINARY CITIZENS.

THE PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO PAY TAXES BUT THEY WILL NO LONGER BE THREATENED BY THE VERY INSTITUTIONS THAT THEIR MONEY HAS GONE TO BAIL OUT. THEY WILL REPAY THEIR DEBTS, BUT WILL NOT BE THROWN OUT OF THEIR HOMES OR SUFFER INJUSTICE FROM LENDERS ANY LONGER.

SO MODERATORS, PLEASE ALERT DAVID ICKE THAT WE WANT HIM TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING THE PEOPLE BY DEVELOPING AN AGENDA THAT WILL SEE 1 MILLION PEOPLE JOIN TOGETHER AND SAY NO!

NO TO HOME REPOSSESSIONS. NO TO LENDER INJUSTICE OF ANY KIND.

http://www.airynothing.com/blogs/photos/monster_at_the_door-thumb.jpg

[pleasuredome]

To be frank i think those who knock the ordinary man in debt stink.

Most ordinary people i know have 3 options
1. Live on the streets
2. Pay someone else's 2nd mortgage via exhaustionate rent
3. Get a mortgage, so you can live somewhere

If you think that sounds like a fair choice then you must be deluded.

Especially as most people on here spend their lives knocking the Illuminati super rich. For them to say, the ordinary man deserves it because he is greedy??

This thread isn't about people who are fat, lazy bourgeoisie types. This thread is about people who are being conned out of their homes by companies that promise to buy their house and rent in back to them, only for them to find in the small print that they can be put you out on the street within 6months to one year. And i am telling you they do. There are 8,000 of these predatory companies in the UK alone and have done 50,000 transactions.

This thread is for all those hard working ordinary people who are being ripped off by the system.

So hopefully people will think about what i am proposing and begin putting some kind of constructive action to the words. And i am not just talking about U.S and UK. We should try and help everyone in trouble with debt to pay for basic needs (and a home is a basic need for everyone).

Hopefully David Icke will support this.

exactly. i feel its it can also be the start of non-cooperation with the system. jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple... whats wrong with us doing the same? (im not preaching, i promise ;))

[raptorialis]

People are running scared pleasuredome.

The people who are supposed to be awake on this forum are running scared - or they only want to deal with the exciting content.

The people who are supposed to be asleep (the man in the street) are losing their jobs and listening to BS are running scared.

And where are the supposed leaders to counter this situation?

Well they're sitting in some TV or radio studio spreading more fear and apathy amongst the people than the Illuminati themselves.

[tylerstoast]

I would utterly support a movement against the likes of banks and mortgage brokers investment brokers - the fuckers that have exploited te money systems etc

They get bailed out so they can continue to provide the "debt managment" food chain with consumers to harass.

They get bailed out ?

Why arnt my bank loans or purely financial institution type credit debts being written off....

Well, I know the official lines but I`m still allowed to be pi$$ed off about it :mad:

I only resent those who made the money off our backs, and are now getting bailed out in order that they may continue to make money off our backs.

but.. what exactly can you do ?

My method of "zero response" is working well (I could probably use the post we get as a fuel) but it does care & consideration when dealing with those entities.

caller line identity helps a lot when "not answering the phone" as well

I just love some of the messages they leave.

[devolinctus]

I would utterly support a movement against the likes of banks and mortgage brokers investment brokers - the fuckers that have exploited te money systems etc

They get bailed out so they can continue to provide the "debt managment" food chain with consumers to harass.

They get bailed out ?

Why arnt my bank loans or purely financial institution type credit debts being written off....

Well, I know the official lines but I`m still allowed to be pi$$ed off about it :mad:

I only resent those who made the money off our backs, and are now getting bailed out in order that they may continue to make money off our backs.

but.. what exactly can you do ?

My method of "zero response" is working well (I could probably use the post we get as a fuel) but it does care & consideration when dealing with those entities.

caller line identity helps a lot when "not answering the phone" as well

I just love some of the messages they leave.
fail to pay your poll tax, they nail your ass to to the wall, believe me, i have experience

[raptorialis]

Well anyone you know that is in difficulty we need to take the opportunity to raise this issue with them. Many people will be affected and this is a time when we can raise the issue and say

NO TO HOME REPOSSESSIONS. NO TO LENDER INJUSTICE OF ANY KIND.



exactly. i feel its it can also be the start of non-cooperation with the system. jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple... whats wrong with us doing the same? (im not preaching, i promise ;))

[pleasuredome]

Well anyone you know that is in difficulty we need to take the opportunity to raise this issue with them. Many people will be affected and this is a time when we can raise the issue and say

NO TO HOME REPOSSESSIONS. NO TO LENDER INJUSTICE OF ANY KIND.

yes, we need first to get the information to help people not cooperate, if they so wish. unfortunately, debt is a subject i know very little about. hopefully, those with the know how can start posting info. i'd prefer there to be a forum for that rather than just a thread so that people can find the info and add to it easily. threads tend to get lost, especially in general forum.

[duckingdafta]

To be frank.

HI Frank! :D

[kasalt]

yes, we need first to get the information to help people not cooperate, if they so wish. unfortunately, debt is a subject i know very little about. hopefully, those with the know how can start posting info. i'd prefer there to be a forum for that rather than just a thread so that people can find the info and add to it easily. threads tend to get lost, especially in general forum.

I don't understand this business of people taking on debts and then not wanting to repay. If anyone doesn't want to pay off their debts, they shouldn't accept any loans.

[1694]

Pisser, just seen your other thread aabout how david Icke has abandoned you....what have I been saying about taking responsibility for your own actions.

If raptorialis is with us who needs anyone against us.

[duckingdafta]

I don't understand this business of people taking on debts and then not wanting to repay. If anyone doesn't want to pay off their debts, they shouldn't accept any loans.

IMO: it's called greed and the need to keep up with the next fella' ... people raised on materialistic wants rather than human needs.

[pleasuredome]

I don't understand this business of people taking on debts and then not wanting to repay. If anyone doesn't want to pay off their debts, they shouldn't accept any loans.

yes thats lovely, unfortunately people cant turn back time and do have something called mortgages and also we all have debt due to natonal debt which you are currently paying for with your taxes. this national debt is going to be very huge soon.... so, what are you doing about it and what solutions do you suggest ????

if you want change mate, then we start at the bottom and work are way up and peoples personal debt is probably the best starting point.

so, are people just going to post something positive and see it as an opportunity for taking responsibility back or we gonna moralise about it like a bunch of duck farts?

[raptorialis]

We take responsibility for our own actions 1694.

What we don't do is control the mental magicians who infiltrate our minds with shit.

What we don't do is lose our homes when financial fraud has been perpetrated against us. When the so called free market is no longer free and institutions are bailed out, why should ordinary people take the fall?

I bet you'd love to talk dirty about 911 , Aliens and Reptilians... but when it comes to real justice for real people.............you are nowhere.



Pisser, just seen your other thread aabout how david Icke has abandoned you....what have I been saying about taking responsibility for your own actions.

If raptorialis is with us who needs anyone against us.

[raptorialis]

kasalt, if only life were that simple.
I know people who have to take a loan out to get to work.
They either have to buy a car or pay £4,000 a year to get on a train.
I know people who wouldn't have a place to live so they were forced to get a mortgage. The rents were 50% higher than the mortgage
I know people who can't find work to pay the bills
I know people whose minds and bodies have been disabled through their work and can't get compensation

Many people are in debt because they are paying for just the ordinary things of life.

What you have to understand is that the ordinary man reacts to the changing policies,expectations and economy around him. He is a product of the system. In his mind he is not a free man. In fact he is part of the sheeple in that respect.

So don't go blaming the ordinary man, when the puppet masters are pulling the strings.


I don't understand this business of people taking on debts and then not wanting to repay. If anyone doesn't want to pay off their debts, they shouldn't accept any loans.

[stemcg1983]

kasalt, if only life were that simple.
I know people who have to take a loan out to get to work.
They either have to buy a car or pay £4,000 a year to get on a train.
I know people who wouldn't have a place to live so they were forced to get a mortgage. The rents were 50% higher than the mortgage
I know people who can't find work to pay the bills
I know people whose minds and bodies have been disabled through their work and can't get compensation

Many people are in debt because they are paying for just the ordinary things of life.

What you have to understand is that the ordinary man reacts to the changing policies,expectations and economy around him. He is a product of the system. In his mind he is not a free man. In fact he is part of the sheeple in that respect.

So don't go blaming the ordinary man, when the puppet masters are pulling the strings.

BRAVO!!!

well said mate

[raptorialis]

Thanks. Well i have started the wheels in motion and hope to being getting the message out there in a significant way.

I could spend my life chewing the cud about reptilians, illuminati and such like, but i think i'll try and help some of the people down the road from me.

At least i've got more chance of making an impact that way.

peace

Raptorialis

:)
BRAVO!!!

well said mate

[guuna]

fail to pay your poll tax, they nail your ass to to the wall, believe me, i have experience

Me too, it's time that this injustice was stopped and the evil enforcers of it taken down a peg or two.