What kind of society do you want

[nirvana]

What kind of society do you want to live in.

What sort of aims would we have to have to achieve that kind of society?

Would we have to change ourselves?

Is society all bollocks and we should only care about ourselves?

Do you really think a group of matrix hackers sat at home thinking good thoughts are going to change anything in this life time?

How many of us would be like the elite if we got the chance?

Do you desire power,wealth,etc maybe most of us do.



PEACE

[disorder2k8]

What kind of society do you want to live in.

What sort of aims would we have to have to achieve that kind of society?

Would we have to change ourselves?

Is society all bollocks and we should only care about ourselves?

Do you really think a group of matrix hackers sat at home thinking good thoughts are going to change anything in this life time?

How many of us would be like the elite if we got the chance?

Do you desire power,wealth,etc maybe most of us do.



PEACE


I do not want to remain in the material realm. There is nothing of what you talk about when you are just omnipresent energy.

Hehe

But really, I want to live in a world without restrictions of choice and creativity, and without money and greed.

[middleway00]

What kind of society do you want to live in.
A fair society that allows each beings to discover and/or do what they love most.

What sort of aims would we have to have to achieve that kind of society?
Respect, Honesty, Generosity, Compassion and Forgiveness.

Would we have to change ourselves?

We would have to change our focus, but our selves our already in harmony with love, naturally. :)

Is society all bollocks and we should only care about ourselves?

Yes and No. We must do what creates love and joy for ourselves. Doing what we enjoy, will ultimately be enjoyable for everyone. See musicians, artists, athletes, inverters, dreamers, writers, etc. People who work a 9-5 cubical, military personnel, police men? A sad sight that is:( In a society where everyone is doing something enjoyable, who will have the idea to harm?

Do you really think a group of matrix hackers sat at home thinking good thoughts are going to change anything in this life time?

It's possible, yet we all have a part to play. We need to feel good vibes, for good actions and events to take place.:)

How many of us would be like the elite if we got the chance?

Those who are afraid of unconditional love. It's uncontrollable!!!:rolleyes:

Do you desire power,wealth,etc maybe most of us do.

Desire is a letdown waiting to happen. Appreciation is a boost that'll increase your enjoyment!:)



PEACE

Can you feel it?

[checkmate]

I want a society where you reap what you sow no matter who you are.

[helloperator]

I don't want any society and no system. I just want to...no...I don't know sorry

[middleway00]

I don't want any society and no system. I just want to...no...I don't know sorry

the rocket has not cleared the tower.:p

[tejas]

a utopia would be nice :)

[jayelowell]

a intergalitic society

[blondina1]

A society where nobody relies on others to answer their questions...

[rhydra]

Pastoral, where human nature has developed so as not to be confrontational and aggressive, where humans are able to cohabit in harmony with the earth and are free from the shackles of restrictive belief systems. A society where there is no need for laws or rules as there is no reason to break them.

[1694]

Where you earn what you own and you own what you earn.

[nirvana]

Where you earn what you own and you own what you earn.


In what sort of way capital or spiritual etc ?



Peace:)

[micklemus]

A society where nobody relies on others to answer their questions...

Bing bong, ding dong, yes

....nor looks to others for leadership [although that's implicit from your statement anyway]

[nirvana]

I think this can only come about when we find something that can unite us.

If we had something that united us we would all know our next door neighbour

We would know of people in need in our streets etc.

The biggest thing {my own limited perspective} the NWO fear most is a peaceful united community.Unless we come up with something and work towards this The NWO will be hered and in control


For those that say you are infinate yes we are but we can also be tortured etc by the NWO.


Peace:)

[romas]

Free of greed, free of super ego, free of superstition, free of anger, free of fear.

[nirvana]

What are we doing to achieve this?

Soon its going to be too late.



Peace:)

[raptorialis]

All the ordinary man and woman needs is an honest job, a warm, safe place to live, some love and some food.

The rest is BS.

Matrix Hackers sends this message out to the world.

Honor pure consciousness........Matrix = illusion

Peace

What kind of society do you want to live in.

What sort of aims would we have to have to achieve that kind of society?

Would we have to change ourselves?

Is society all bollocks and we should only care about ourselves?

Do you really think a group of matrix hackers sat at home thinking good thoughts are going to change anything in this life time?

How many of us would be like the elite if we got the chance?

Do you desire power,wealth,etc maybe most of us do.



PEACE

[r3sonator]

Realising we are all one, with respect to each individual person, no matter what race, religion, ideaologies, personalities, or any other divisions we can come up with...
Being able to discuss with a positive result, without arguing/ fighting. That's all...

[ninaandnally]

Venus Project

[raptorialis]

It is for each man and woman to realize that the illusory self is attracted and distracted by illusory things. It for each man and woman to realize that the ordinary life is a life more filled with riches, than money could ever buy.

The wolves will always divert the lambs if the lambs waver from their path.

The sheeple is in fact the opposite of the demonised myth.

The sheeple is in fact ordinary people united in a common cause.

It is not a brainwashed construct. It is a unified construct.

Unified consciousness in a waking state.



Realising we are all one, with respect to each individual person, no matter what race, religion, ideaologies, personalities, or any other divisions we can come up with...
Being able to discuss with a positive result, without arguing/ fighting. That's all...

[chris]

Who am I to say what kind of society I want. A society is a group of individuals, so to force a vision upon a society is nothing less than social engineering.

I want to live in a world where the most hateful racist is tolerated. Or in a world where the most greedy bastard can make as much money he wants and not a penny more. Or where the most laziest slob can do nothing all day without reward.

The Philosophy of Liberty - YouTube

[armoured_amazon]

I want to live in a world where the most hateful racist is tolerated. Or in a world where the most greedy bastard can make as much money he wants and not a penny more. Or where the most laziest slob can do nothing all day without reward.

Then you surely have your wish! :)

[grenadene]

Nice little vid that chris :)

Before any 'free' society can emerge we need to seriously level the playing field a bit and sadly things are going to have to get a lot worse before people truly start to recognise what is important. This hideous materialist society has glorified the more brutal aspects of human behaviour and we're looking at a good few years before equilibrium is reached. The state education system isn't engineered to produce well balanced free thinking individuals so the vast majority of us have got a 'slave' mentality.

I would like to see a society where the essentials, water, food, healthcare and accomodation are available freely without exception, private monopolys should not IMO be profiteering from the common mans lack of alternatives.

[armoured_amazon]

Nice little vid that chris :)

Before any 'free' society can emerge we need to seriously level the playing field a bit and sadly things are going to have to get a lot worse before people truly start to recognise what is important. This hideous materialist society has glorified the more brutal aspects of human behaviour and we're looking at a good few years before equilibrium is reached. The state education system isn't engineered to produce well balanced free thinking individuals so the vast majority of us have got a 'slave' mentality.

I would like to see a society where the essentials, water, food, healthcare and accomodation are available freely without exception, private monopolys should not IMO be profiteering from the common mans lack of alternatives.

I think you're right. Me too.

[netta]

Honestly I really don't know. I just want to be somewhere where I am happy and where I acquire new and interesting knowledge. I want to have fun. I would like it if my world was a lot like some of the dreams I have had. The places are very interesting and have lots of cool things to do and look at. There is adventure around every corner, if you so choose to take it.

[tusme]

What kind of society do you want to live in.

What sort of aims would we have to have to achieve that kind of society?

Would we have to change ourselves?

Is society all bollocks and we should only care about ourselves?

Do you really think a group of matrix hackers sat at home thinking good thoughts are going to change anything in this life time?

How many of us would be like the elite if we got the chance?

Do you desire power,wealth,etc maybe most of us do.



PEACE
Hi Nirvana,

Any "society", which exists knowing and being Truth...!

Only Truth, cannot be bought or achieved...only realised!

No! ...the moment we "change" ourselves from knowing and being Truth, we also change our destiny...!

Society, as it has evolved to be what it is today, is bollocks!! Knowing and being Truth cannot be realised if we choose not to be Oneness...!

If all of mankind were destined to be "matrix hackers sat at home thinking good thoughts"...then yes, that change would be limitless...!! In this lifetime? Hmm, not so sure, it's possible...it was meant to happen in every lifetime however! :)

For anyone to be the "elite" or operate as such, cannot know Truth...hence, no freedom...!! The choice is yours!! ;)

I don't desire power/wealth, I possess it to infinity...without you (physical realm) and the Universe and beyond (Spiritual realm), I lose it all...! :)

Cheers!

[chris]

Then you surely have your wish! :)

Sweet, very far off at the moment though...

[charles d ward]

It is for each man and woman to realize that the illusory self is attracted and distracted by illusory things. It for each man and woman to realize that the ordinary life is a life more filled with riches, than money could ever buy.

The wolves will always divert the lambs if the lambs waver from their path.

The sheeple is in fact the opposite of the demonised myth.

The sheeple is in fact ordinary people united in a common cause.

It is not a brainwashed construct. It is a unified construct.

Unified consciousness in a waking state.

Very wise... I agree with it but it is OUR DUTY as wolves (in fact we are werewolves. We have the ability to transform humans) ourselves to give the sheep a little bite of knowledge.

Anyway my dream society (as Pindar put it) is:

"Never the Muse is absent
from their ways: lyres clash and flutes cry
and everywhere maiden choruses whirling.
Neither disease nor bitter old age is mixed
in their sacred blood; far from labor and battle they live"


To be able to fly (like in my dreams) would also be nice. Then I would shit on the bastards below! :eek:

[hagbard_celine]

David actually describes practical models of a better society in some of his earlier books, including local economies, small busniesses instead of big corporations, workers cooperatives and Basic Income scheme. He was very influenced by EF Schumacher, a brilliant economist (Background: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14494

[nirvana]

David actually describes practical models of a better society in some of his earlier books, including local economies, small busniesses instead of big corporations, workers cooperatives and Basic Income scheme. He was very influenced by EF Schumacher, a brilliant economist (Background: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14494


Maybe this is what we should be doing? instead of just waiting to be killed off by the NWO.
But the thing is alot of people only see the survival of their future as a hobby.


Peace:)

[grenadene]

David actually describes practical models of a better society in some of his earlier books, including local economies, small busniesses instead of big corporations, workers cooperatives and Basic Income scheme. He was very influenced by EF Schumacher, a brilliant economist (Background: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14494

Strong local economies and workers cooperatives are imo the only way to beat the NWO. Big businesses are only interested in keeping shareholders happy, mostly at the expense of customers satisfaction. Ethics and practicality above profits at all times :)

[drael]

What kind of society do you want to live in.

Systems too involved to go into now, but basically a community oriented, and meaning oriented society, one that is in balance with human nature.


What sort of aims would we have to have to achieve that kind of society?

Basically the major obstacle is things like land ownership, and centralised govt, but largely it would be acheived by starting from stratch. As such, initially money would help (also with land ownership and possibly avoiding being under some other govt)

Would we have to change ourselves?


I would be a small adjustment to people who already see the flaws in current thinking. probably would be a few less mobile phones and playstations etc...

Do you really think a group of matrix hackers sat at home thinking good thoughts are going to change anything in this life time?


Largely people are acheiving little but a more tangible feeling of dissatifaction. Certainly thinking in a strong and centred manner helps action.

How many of us would be like the elite if we got the chance?


Nah, i prefer genuine love/respect, to faked love/respect.

[hagbard_celine]

Maybe this is what we should be doing? instead of just waiting to be killed off by the NWO.
But the thing is alot of people only see the survival of their future as a hobby.


Peace:)

Fear and survival instinct! That's the crutch that supports the decrepit current society. But there's signs of that changing. The number of workers cooperativea and LETS coimmunities is rising. They've even featured the LETS issue in The Archers!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36250:):cool:

[hagbard_celine]

Strong local economies and workers cooperatives are imo the only way to beat the NWO. Big businesses are only interested in keeping shareholders happy, mostly at the expense of customers satisfaction. Ethics and practicality above profits at all times :)

Quite so:). What's more it's an empowering simple action we can take that is a step along the road. Anyone can do this. If you have another job already then set up a provisional workers' cooperative like those people did in that French Walmart. See here for background: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9061

[cafe beelzebub]

a global society, where everyone is free and has everything they need to live. Where everything in the entire world is shared out equally, and not one person is without something they need.

food, shelter, energy, ...all free.

i want to live in a world where humanity spends it's energy on creating systems of society that benefit everyone, where our incredible technologies is used for the good of all.

i want to live in a world in which we all live in harmony with each other and with nature, and we are free to explore inner and outer space, in peace... FOREVER.

maybe i'm a dreamer, but i'm not the only one.

absolute and pure freedom is the thing i desire most

[spiritist]

Hi Nirvana,

Excellent thread you have started and some really good input everyone.

We all more or less want the same thing - security of home, the best healthcare and the freedom to enjoy life in general. So how are we going to get from this rotten reality that a few have created, to the reality we are all describing?

We cannot try to change the existing system. It has been developed by others and they know how to see off any challenge to it, as they have done before.

We should form a movement to develop a completely new system of living, roughly based on the replies to this thread. Once we have a concise way forward, we then go out and get the support from the people and when we have a good majority take the power away from the corrupt forces that control us. Working on a country-wide basis would be easier than trying to coordinate a worldwide push for change. At the end of the day we have got to have something to take to the people. We dont and wont get all of them on board. We only need to aim for a majority.

[spiritist]

But the thing is alot of people only see the survival of their future as a hobby.


Peace:)

Your words are so true Nirvana.

A lot of people have extensive knowledge about how we are straight-jacketed by the bloodlines of this world, but dont use this knowledge for ground-breaking change. Some contributors on here are very active by passing on information and stimulating debate and I stand and applaud them.

It is these champions of the cause that should get together somewhere for a few days, set out a plan for future change and go about implementing it. We need to be coordinated and sing as best we can from the same hymn sheet. We will achieve nothing if we dont show the people a better way forward than the one the establishment want to subversely enforce on us.

Nirvana, what do you think about meeting centrally somewhere, with motivated, like-minded people who can move our goals along at a pace? Who else would be up for it?

[signalnorth]

Your words are so true Nirvana.

A lot of people have extensive knowledge about how we are straight-jacketed by the bloodlines of this world, but dont use this knowledge for ground-breaking change. Some contributors on here are very active by passing on information and stimulating debate and I stand and applaud them.

It is these champions of the cause that should get together somewhere for a few days, set out a plan for future change and go about implementing it. We need to be coordinated and sing as best we can from the same hymn sheet. We will achieve nothing if we dont show the people a better way forward than the one the establishment want to subversely enforce on us.

Nirvana, what do you think about meeting centrally somewhere, with motivated, like-minded people who can move our goals along at a pace? Who else would be up for it?

I'd be up for it

[spiritist]

Thats great signalnorth.

Nirvana, the thread has developed a bit more now, but its still your thread.

I know you would attend so shall we leave this thread running for a day or two to get more support and then switch to a new thread to get an agrement on where and when to meet? Or would you want to handle it in a different way?