Dear God

[endlessvista]

"Did you make mankind, after we made you? And the devil too..."

XTC-Dear God - YouTube

[tracker]

"Did you make mankind, after we made you? And the devil too..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk41Gbjljfo

it must have happened that way .

we ( as far as fckups go ) invented god .
the god re-invented man as the fckup was created by us hence we reflect that total crazy fckup .

we eat and breath through the same hole making us vunerable to choking to death .

we have tonsils that serve no perpose
apendix that can only kill us and does nothing else.
ears that can be easily broken and give us constant pain
teeth that can make us feel tremendous pain

and we cant grow back limbs

we feel ill at the slightest infections

need to sleep half our life to recharge

crap like high heaven

for certain

only a fckup can create such a body with so many flaws !:cool:

[titurel]

"Did you make mankind, after we made you? And the devil too..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk41Gbjljfo
God did not create the Devil. The Devil was a Divine being who rebelled through his own free will, fell, and with other fallen beings, turned to steering humanity away from God. People who blame God are playing into the reptilian's schemes and are avoiding self responsibility.

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God did not create the Devil. The Devil was a Divine being who rebelled through his own free will, fell, and with other fallen beings, turned to steering humanity away from God. People who blame God are playing into the reptilian's schemes and are avoiding self responsibility.

So God isn't omniscient? Did they start out as neighbours? How does that work?

[titurel]

So God isn't omniscient? Did they start out as neighbours? How does that work?
God is omniscient and no matter what choice people or beings make with their free will, God knows the outcome. God did not create robots!

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God is omniscient and no matter what choice people or beings make with their free will, God knows the outcome. God did not create robots!

Why did he create a being (The Devil) with so much power to influence and deceive the other beings he created (people)?

[titurel]

Why did he create a being (The Devil) with so much power to influence and deceive the other beings he created (people)?
God did not create the Devil. The Devil was a Divine being who fell through his free will, in his rebellion with God. This is why the NWO agenda is the Devil's agenda, who is also known as the Serpent or the Dragon. Architects of the NWO agenda worship the reptilian Dragon, who wishes to create a godless global world order.

[existenz]

God did not create the Devil. The Devil was a Divine being who fell through his free will, in his rebellion with God. This is why the NWO agenda is the Devil's agenda, who is also known as the Serpent or the Dragon. Architects of the NWO agenda worship the reptilian Dragon, who wishes to create a godless global world order.

They are failing greatly then since unfortunately religions,god or jesus arent goin anywhere . they are standing as strong as ever.

[titurel]

They are failing greatly then since unfortunately religions,god or jesus arent goin anywhere . they are standing as strong as ever.
God is not a "religion". The religions of the world were created and are maintained by followers of the Luciferian mystery religion of Babylon. Churchianity was created to mislead and deceive humanity and to further the agenda of the Brotherhood. The Vatican, for example, was instrumental in the birth of the United Nations and the World Bank. Now that the infrastructure of the NWO is in its final stages, the architects if the NWO no longer needs religion, which was nothing more than a Trojan horse, just like the capitalist system was a Trojan horse that is ready to be destroyed because it's already served its purpose in bleeding the capital out humanity!

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God did not create the Devil. The Devil was a Divine being who fell through his free will, in his rebellion with God. This is why the NWO agenda is the Devil's agenda, who is also known as the Serpent or the Dragon. Architects of the NWO agenda worship the reptilian Dragon, who wishes to create a godless global world order.

So God is not almighty and omniscient? I thought he created everything.

[existenz]

God is not a "religion". The religions of the world were created and are maintained by followers of the Luciferian mystery religion of Babylon. Churchianity was created to mislead and deceive humanity and to further the agenda of the Brotherhood. The Vatican, for example, was instrumental in the birth of the United Nations and the World Bank. Now that the infrastructure of the NWO is in its final stages, the architects if the NWO no longer needs religion, which was nothing more than a Trojan horse, just like the capitalist system was a Trojan horse that is ready to be destroyed because it's already served its purpose in bleeding the capital out humanity!

Well they should have known better since destroying religions would be helluva more difficult if not altogether impossible than creating them.

[titurel]

So God is not almighty and omniscient? I thought he created everything.
God is almighty and omniscient - a lesser being could not have invested others with the ability to make personal choices, and it's through personal choices that evil has resulted! Blaming God for evil is merely to shrug off self responsibility and only furthers the Dragon's agenda.

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God is almighty and omniscient - a lesser being could not have invested others with the ability to make personal choices, and it's through personal choices that evil has resulted! Blaming God for evil is merely to shrug off self responsibility and only furthers the Dragon's agenda.

Wouldn't God have had to have created the Devil for him to be omniscient? Otherwise God is being irritated by a being outside of his own control.

[titurel]

Well they should have known better since destroying religions would be helluva more difficult if not altogether impossible than creating them.
The Elite will have to destroy demoniational religions in order to create a new world order with a one world religion. What we're seeing today is nothing compared to the tribulations that are about to take place in the world!

[existenz]

The Elite will have to destroy demoniational religions in order to create a new world order with a one world religion. What we're seeing today is nothing compared to the tribulations that are about to take place in the world!

You can create more religions but no way you can create a one world religion. its simply not possible.

[titurel]

Wouldn't God have had to have created the Devil for him to be omniscient? Otherwise God is being irritated by a being outside of his own control.
I don't see why God had to create the Devil in order for him to be all powerful. The Devil only became the Devil/Dragon after it decided to rebel against God, but even though the Devil is the product of his own rebellion, God is still in control and to understand why God has allowed evil to prevail in the world, it's necessary to understand Christ's message behind the parable of the wheat and the weeds...

Why does God tolerate evil and not intervene now?

Jesus gave the answer in the parable of the harvest...

"The Kingdom of the heavens has become like a man that sowed fine seed in the field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and over sowed weeds in among the wheat, and left. When the blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also. So the slaves of the householder came up and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow fine seed in the field? How, then, does it come to have weeds?' They said to him, 'Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?' He said, 'No, that by no chance, while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season I will tell the reapers, first collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up, then go to gathering the wheat into my storehouse.' " - Matthew 13:24-30

Because mankind is on earth to evolve and mature, it would be too early to tell which individuals are going to develop into wheat and which are going to develop into weeds, until they come to fuller maturity, and the best time for that is at the harvest.

God, in his wisdom, before making any judgement, wants to see who, with their free will, will be faithful to him and who will turn against him. Like the weeds, the wicked ones will be caste aside and for the first time in recorded history, man will be able to mature unhindered by malevolent forces. When this harvest will come about, Jesus heeded us to look out for signs, and then we may know when the harvest is coming!

[titurel]

You can create more religions but no way you can create a one world religion. its simply not possible.
Try telling that to the Luciferian Elite! lol!

[fortysixandtwo]

I think we created "God" in our image and not the other way round.

[titurel]

I think we created "God" in our image and not the other way round.
That is a large generalisation that I would partly agree with but that in itself does not prove there is no God. It just shows that man is trapped in the delusions that come with being in the world of matter. The jury is still out on this matter but we'll find out at Armageddon!

[hw spartan]

God did not create the Devil. The Devil was a Divine being who rebelled through his own free will, fell, and with other fallen beings, turned to steering humanity away from God. People who blame God are playing into the reptilian's schemes and are avoiding self responsibility.
God created All, he did not create the devil, he created Lucifer, he REBELLED in heaven, thus became the devil.
the rest of your quote is perfect, althou your puting to them lightly

Why did he create a being (The Devil) with so much power to influence and deceive the other beings he created (people)?
ok, repeating same question??:eek:

God did not create the Devil. The Devil was a Divine being who fell through his free will, in his rebellion with God. This is why the NWO agenda is the Devil's agenda, who is also known as the Serpent or the Dragon. Architects of the NWO agenda worship the reptilian Dragon, who wishes to create a godless global world order.
God created All, Lucifer rebelled and became the devil
God doesnt create evil..evil became him
rest of your quote is spot on:)

So God is not almighty and omniscient? I thought he created everything.
he did, and your a ........
and its oh so easy to riddlcure Christianity
its like a child, asking questions
really... :rolleyes:

but... how can you use a computer, but cant understand that God created ALL, never evil....
Evil created itself from perfection
thus the pettiness of saying
"why did God create the devil"
i mean come on, you understand the secret shit of the illuminati
but dont understand the simplest stories of the bible
WIERD:eek:

[size_of_light]

I don't see why God had to create the Devil in order for him to be all powerful. The Devil only became the Devil/Dragon after it decided to rebel against God, but even though the Devil is the product of his own rebellion, God is still in control and to understand why God has allowed evil to prevail in the world, it's necessary to understand Christ's message behind the parable of the wheat and the weeds...

Why does God tolerate evil and not intervene now?

Jesus gave the answer in the parable of the harvest...

"The Kingdom of the heavens has become like a man that sowed fine seed in the field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and over sowed weeds in among the wheat, and left. When the blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also. So the slaves of the householder came up and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow fine seed in the field? How, then, does it come to have weeds?' They said to him, 'Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?' He said, 'No, that by no chance, while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season I will tell the reapers, first collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up, then go to gathering the wheat into my storehouse.' " - Matthew 13:24-30

Because mankind is on earth to evolve and mature, it would be too early to tell which individuals are going to develop into wheat and which are going to develop into weeds, until they come to fuller maturity, and the best time for that is at the harvest.

God, in his wisdom, before making any judgement, wants to see who, with their free will, will be faithful to him and who will turn against him. Like the weeds, the wicked ones will be caste aside and for the first time in recorded history, man will be able to mature unhindered by malevolent forces. When this harvest will come about, Jesus heeded us to look out for signs, and then we may know when the harvest is coming!

OK. I grasp that. Good.

So the Devil in his original form, like all other beings was given free will by God and perverted his free will like all other beings have the freedom to do?

Why did God create a hierarchy that allowed the higher beings who perverted their free will to have the power to seduce and pervert the lower beings (humans)?

Why didn't he create a level playing field?

It's like giving teenagers cigarettes and saying 'don't smoke', and then punishing the children who have been hooked on smoking by the older boys.

[hw spartan]

That is a large generalisation that I would partly agree with but that in itself does not prove there is no God. It just shows that man is trapped in the delusions that come with being in the world of matter. The jury is still out on this matter but we'll find out at Armageddon!

OMG spot on....exellent i love this quote
"...that in itself does not prove there is no God. It just shows that man is trapped in the delusions that come with being in the world of matter..."
perfect:)

[titurel]

OK. I grasp that. Good.

So the Devil in his original form, like all other beings was given free will by God and perverted his free will like all other beings have the freedom to do?

Why did God create a hierarchy that allowed the higher beings who perverted their free will to have the power to seduce and pervert the lower beings (humans)?

Why didn't he create a level playing field?

It's like giving teenagers cigarettes and saying 'don't smoke', and then punishing the children who have been hooked on smoking by the older boys.
God created things they way they were because he didn't want to create robotic beings! That is how powerful God is! Btw, not all teenagers are tempted to smoke...

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God created things they way they were because he didn't want to create robotic beings! That is how powerful God is! Btw, not all teenagers are tempted to smoke...

That you and I are both human doesn't make either of us robots.

So why create higher beings with greater powers to corrupt us humans?

That's equivalent to creating potential bullies.

[endlessvista]

Good song though.

[titurel]

That you and I are both human doesn't make either of us robots.

So why create higher beings with greater powers to corrupt us humans?

That's equivalent to creating potential bullies.
But we don't have to be taken in and corrupted by the bullies! You can only be corrupted by them if you allow yourself to be!

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But we don't have to be taken in and corrupted by the bullies! You can only be corrupted by them if you allow yourself to be!

In the context we're discussing, it's similar to telling a child 'you can only be sexually abused by an adult if you allow yourself to be.'

[titurel]

In the context we're discussing, it's similar to telling a child 'you can only be sexually abused by an adult if you allow yourself to be.'
But even if we are children in relative terms, and even of we do make mistakes, which we all do because none of us are perfect, there's still the possibility of forgiveness and the possibility for us to learn from our mistakes. Blaiming God is not the way to learn from our mistakes because that is not accepting self responsibility, and it's only through self-responsibility that we can grow in strength and maturity.

[size_of_light]

But even if we are children in relative terms, and even of we do make mistakes, which we all do because none of us are perfect, there's still the possibility of forgiveness and the possibility for us to learn from our mistakes. Blaiming God is not the way to learn from our mistakes because that is not accepting self responsibility, and it's only through self-responsibility that we can grow in strength and maturity.

I agree that blame is futile and counter-productive.

What I really want is to see you satisfactorily close the 'loopholes' I perceive in your comprehension of God, so that I can come to a holistic acceptance of Christianity.

The problem remains - why would God create potential spiritual child molesters in the form of higher beings, and then require the abused children to heal the scars of their own abuse by loving the creator of the men who became child molesters?

What is the point of that process?

[titurel]

I agree that blame is futile and counter-productive.

What I really want is to see you satisfactorily close the 'loopholes' I perceive in your comprehension of God, so that I can come to a holistic acceptance of Christianity.

The problem remains - why would God create potential spiritual child molesters in the form of higher beings, and then require the abused children to heal the scars of their own abuse by loving the creator of the men who became child molesters?

What is the point of that process?
The answer to your question is free will! You can't blame God for creating child molestors because the child molester has to accept responsibility for their own deeds and actions and the consequences of those actions.

[size_of_light]

The answer to your question is free will! You can't blame God for creating child molestors because the child molester has to accept responsibility for their own deeds and actions and the consequences of those actions.

But God has created higher and lower spiritual beings and given them both free will.

If the spiritual adults abuse the spiritual children, he demands that the spiritual children exercise their power of free will as effectively as the spiritual adults who have not been subjected to a similar higher form of oppression and abuse.

The granting of free will may have been dispensed equally, but the unhindered expression of that free will has not been.

Again, what's the purpose of creating an uneven playing field when the outcome of the game couldn't be graver?

[titurel]

But God has created higher and lower spiritual beings and given them both free will.

If the spiritual adults abuse the spiritual children, he demands that the spiritual children exercise their power of free will as effectively as the spiritual adults who have not been subjected to a similar higher form of oppression and abuse.

The granting of free will may have been dispensed equally, but the unhindered expression of that free will has not been.

Again, what's the purpose of creating an uneven playing field when the outcome couldn't be graver?
The outcome is only grave for those who stubbornly rebel against God and I would dispute that God created lower spiritual beings in the sense of these beings being inferior. God created all spiritual beings in his likeness, which means that any subsequent course that leads to lower consciousness, is a result of personal actions. He created a level playing field but decisions were taken to ignore God's advice and for that self responsibility has to be taken, otherwise, you end up shirking responsibility and that's where blaming God becomes the chosen excuse. The trouble is, taking such a view cannot lead to overcoming adversity and growing in strength and spiritual maturity.

[size_of_light]

The outcome is only grave for those who stubbornly rebel against God and I would dispute that God created lower spiritual beings in the sense of these beings being inferior. God created all spiritual beings in his likeness, which means that any subsequent course that leads to lower consciousness, is a result of personal actions. He created a level playing field but decisions were taken to ignore God's advice and for that self responsibility has to be taken, otherwise, you end up shirking responsibility and that's where blaming God becomes the chosen excuse. The trouble is, taking such a view cannot lead to overcoming adversity and growing in strength and spiritual maturity.

Yes, I understand your points. Thanks very much.

[titurel]

Yes, I understand your points. Thanks very much.
I understand you're points too, thank you.

[amethyst]

The outcome is only grave for those who stubbornly rebel against God and I would dispute that God created lower spiritual beings in the sense of these beings being inferior. God created all spiritual beings in his likeness, which means that any subsequent course that leads to lower consciousness, is a result of personal actions. He created a level playing field but decisions were taken to ignore God's advice and for that self responsibility has to be taken, otherwise, you end up shirking responsibility and that's where blaming God becomes the chosen excuse. The trouble is, taking such a view cannot lead to overcoming adversity and growing in strength and spiritual maturity.

Titurel, you might be interested in the thread I started called "Fascinating! Eve came from Adam's DNA?" in the general section :)

[titurel]

Titurel, you might be interested in the thread I started called "Fascinating! Eve came from Adam's DNA?" in the general section :)
I'll have a read of the thread, thanks!

[zero1]

This is infantile rubbish...:rolleyes:

The way you people bandie round terms about "God", "The Devil" and "rebellion" as though you knew them personally and had the whole thing sussed. It's sad.

Why don't you shave off the sheepswool and step out of the box of Christian bullshit, ffs?

[tracker]

God did not create the Devil. The Devil was a Divine being who fell through his free will, in his rebellion with God. This is why the NWO agenda is the Devil's agenda, who is also known as the Serpent or the Dragon. Architects of the NWO agenda worship the reptilian Dragon, who wishes to create a godless global world order.


ah well at least we know something .

god did not create the angel of light , lucifer / devil .

and there for


has no power of this self created devine being .

as you have said

god did not create the devil .

hhm interesting .

so they were neighbours then .


hmm interesting too .

makes me wonder then

why you think that your devine being ( you call god ) is the good guy .

oh yes i forgot

you read it somewhere that told you so .

interesting .

so ?

you are on the good side yeah ?

sorry dude but this tops it completly .

:rolleyes:

[amethyst]

ah well at least we know something .

god did not create the angel of light , lucifer / devil .

and there for


has no power of this self created devine being .

as you have said

god did not create the devil .

hhm interesting .

so they were neighbours then .


hmm interesting too .

makes me wonder then

why you think that your devine being ( you call god ) is the good guy .

oh yes i forgot

you read it somewhere that told you so .

interesting .

so ?

you are on the good side yeah ?

sorry dude but this tops it completly .

:rolleyes:

Titurel is correct. Why are you so afraid of his conclusions?

Does it upset your self-imposed paradigm? It's time to think "outside" of the boxes that we make for ourselves.

[devanshoom]

This is infantile rubbish...:rolleyes:

The way you people bandie round terms about "God", "The Devil" and "rebellion" as though you knew them personally and had the whole thing sussed. It's sad.

Why don't you shave off the sheepswool and step out of the box of Christian bullshit, ffs?


I was thinking exactly the same.....

[tracker]

Titurel is correct. Why are you so afraid of his conclusions?

Does it upset your self-imposed paradigm? It's time to think "outside" of the boxes that we make for ourselves.

i was a christian once , and as you stated , i did think outside my box .

now for the truth .

why dont you and him think out side your box !

bet you cant !:cool:

[titurel]

This is infantile rubbish...:rolleyes:

The way you people bandie round terms about "God", "The Devil" and "rebellion" as though you knew them personally and had the whole thing sussed. It's sad.

Why don't you shave off the sheepswool and step out of the box of Christian bullshit, ffs?
Why don't you practice what you preach and post something more substantive, instead of the infantile drivel you've retorted with?

[titurel]

i was a christian once , and as you stated , i did think outside my box .

now for the truth .

why dont you and him think out side your box !

bet you cant !:cool:
You have yet to show how exactly you're thinking out of the box... you still seem to be in it!

[amethyst]

I was thinking exactly the same.....

No, some just do more research into the issues, rather than just parroting what they've been told or heard from someone else......in other words, think for themselves and draw their own conclusions about the facts, based on what they have researched.

[amethyst]

i was a christian once , and as you stated , i did think outside my box .

now for the truth .

why dont you and him think out side your box !

bet you cant !:cool:

Bet I research a lot more than you. I am willing to look into the "box" of religion as well as outside of it.

Are you?

Or are you afraid of what you might find?

I do not come from any sort of bias, as I was raised with no "religious" persuasion. I am an open book so to speak when it comes to various research and conclusions.

[red_ram]

it must have happened that way .

we ( as far as fckups go ) invented god .
the god re-invented man as the fckup was created by us hence we reflect that total crazy fckup .

we eat and breath through the same hole making us vunerable to choking to death .

we have tonsils that serve no perpose
apendix that can only kill us and does nothing else.
ears that can be easily broken and give us constant pain
teeth that can make us feel tremendous pain

and we cant grow back limbs

we feel ill at the slightest infections

need to sleep half our life to recharge

crap like high heaven

for certain

only a fckup can create such a body with so many flaws !:cool:

You forgot to mention that a waste disposal facility was placed right next to a recreational area.

[redman]

God... :D


Don't make me fucking laugh. Love how people refer to God as a " He ".




What a complete fucking joke, get ya head out of ya ass's and wake the fuck up. Ya on the David Icke site for fuck sake. LMAO

[titurel]

You forgot to mention that a waste disposal facility was placed right next to a recreational area.
But they didn't have to walk into the the waste disposal area...

(It all started to go wrong when Eve approached the public conveniences...)

The wide grass was cool beneath her tender feet; wet, soft and comfortable. The woman Eve was at last alone in her beautiful garden. The others had gone for a walk. She looked curiously around her shoulder and thought: 'I've got to go, too.' Then she raised her arms to spirits hidden high in a treetop and asked: "Is there a public rest room around here?"

Eve finally found what she wanted. At the end of her scented garden walk was that distant place of pure marble; a station of barbed wire with the smell of dead birds, radioactive battery acids and a blunt warning to all barefoot trespassers. Smoking Rest Room 101 was a solid concrete structure at the edge of space-time. An underground nuclear reactor at the end of God's promise on earth. Through its flat roof grew a malignant tree.

"See that tree, Eve?" came the voice of God. "Hollow wood; rotten. Don't get into it, or that tree will be you."

"What do you mean?" asked Eve with a raised eyebrow.

"This is where I keep my enemies," God answered. "The feeding reptiles who bite into little girls and teach them the taste of blood and death. This is where I keep those who disobey me - vampires - with a terrible razor of fire, forever. So, if you've got to go, go behind the bushes like all the other creatures. That's how the nitrogen cycle works. Then get back to Adam. This isn't a place of Eros. Can't you read the sign?"

Eve looked at the big letters on the closed rest room doors which read: 'Out of order. Full of flatworm - tattoo serpent.' Wild cries, screaming sounds and terrible laughter could be heard from behind the huge, Bavarian doors of nuclear brass. Strange, shadowy underworld figures with helmets and turbans lurked on the militant outer porch of Eden's smoking rest room. They waved Masonic medals and glittering gifts of gold at Eve, beckoning her to join them inside.

"When will they fix things in there?" Eve asked.

"Never," God answered. "Because if they do, they won't get to be themselves forever. They came too close to plutonium and became too big for their britches."

[redman]

Bet I research a lot more than you. I am willing to look into the "box" of religion as well as outside of it.

Are you?

Or are you afraid of what you might find?

I do not come from any sort of bias, as I was raised with no "religious" persuasion. I am an open book so to speak when it comes to various research and conclusions.

So am I, and it didn't take me long to work out that it was complete bollox.

[titurel]

So am I, and it didn't take me long to work out that it was complete bollox.
Shame you're not articulating how you came to that erroneous conclusion...

[amethyst]

So am I, and it didn't take me long to work out that it was complete bollox.

Bet cha don't have all the facts at your disposal either.

it's there if you are willing to look for it and be honest about your conclusions.

[redman]

Shame you're not articulating how you came to that erroneous conclusion...

Well how did you come to yours ??


I bet you never came to your conclusion the same way I did, lets put it that way. I used common sense and my intuition. What did you use ?? Blind faith. LOL

[titurel]

Well how did you come to yours ??


I bet you never came to your conclusion the same way I did, lets put it that way. I used common sense and my intuition. What did you use ?? Blind faith. LOL
I don't know what your "common sense" is because you haven't explained. Blind faith is behind the belief that only man can sort out the world's ills. Blind faith is behind the belief that there is no God and it's the same belief that the reptilian inspired elite promote. One way I came to my conclusion is that man cannot deal with other dimensional beings on his own, and since it's other dimensional reptilian dragons that are the root of hate and evil in the world, only beings of a higher consciousness can ultimately resolve earth's problems.

[serenevasaline]

God did not create the Devil. The Devil was a Divine being who fell through his free will, in his rebellion with God. This is why the NWO agenda is the Devil's agenda, who is also known as the Serpent or the Dragon. Architects of the NWO agenda worship the reptilian Dragon, who wishes to create a godless global world order.

I thought god DID create the devil......:confused:

[redman]

Bet cha don't have all the facts at your disposal either.

it's there if you are willing to look for it and be honest about your conclusions.



No such things as facts when it comes to this subject. It's just all hear say, opinions, and a lot of guessing.


The whole religious thing is complete horse shit and there to control, but the concept of God could be possible, anything is possible, so I don't rule out the whole creation concept. But it's all the fucking quoting the bible shit that I find hilarious and I can't believe in this day and age people are still eating that shit up.


So the concept of God... possible and I simply do not know if there is one or not, just like every other fucker on the planet does not know for sure. But for some reason there are people who claim they know 100% without really producing any evidence of this God... so in reality that is blind faith.

Organised religion.... been exposed for what it is and is becoming more and more less relevant with each passing second.

[redman]

I don't know what your "common sense" is because you haven't explained. Blind faith is behind the belief that only man can sort out the world's ills. Blind faith is behind the belief that there is no God and it's the same belief that the reptilian inspired elite promote. One way I came to my conclusion is that man cannot deal with other dimensional beings on his own, and since it's other dimensional reptilian dragons that are the root of hate and evil in the world, only beings of a higher consciousness can ultimately resolve earth's problems.




Yeah all right mate... crack on. :D

[titurel]

I thought god DID create the devil......:confused:
God didn't create the Devil. The Devil devised his own evil nature because he fell from being a being of love and light in order to mislead humanity and lead it into an alternative world to the one that God has planned for humanity. That's why the elite are hijacking human destiny.

[titurel]

Yeah all right mate... crack on.
I shall thanks, but I'm disappointed you haven't expanded on how you came to your conclusions, or whown why what I've stated is wrong.

[titurel]

No such things as facts when it comes to this subject. It's just all hear say, opinions, and a lot of guessing.


The whole religious thing is complete horse shit and there to control, but the concept of God could be possible, anything is possible, so I don't rule out the whole creation concept. But it's all the fucking quoting the bible shit that I find hilarious and I can't believe in this day and age people are still eating that shit up.


So the concept of God... possible and I simply do not know if there is one or not, just like every other fucker on the planet does not know for sure. But for some reason there are people who claim they know 100% without really producing any evidence of this God... so in reality that is blind faith.

Organised religion.... been exposed for what it is and is becoming more and more less relevant with each passing second.
God is not religion. Religion was devised by the reptilian Dragon Babylonian Brotherhood who are trying to hijack human destiny into a godless NWO.

[redman]

God didn't create the Devil. The Devil devised his own evil nature because he fell from being a being of love and light in order to mislead humanity and lead it into an alternative world to the one that God has planned for humanity. That's why the elite are hijacking human destiny.



Got any proof of this ?? And before you start, quoting from the bible, the bible does not necessarily count as proof in my book so before ya start quoting Psalm 24, scene 8, act 22... I will tell you in advance I won't be reading it. :cool:

[redman]

God is not religion. Religion was devised by the reptilian Dragon Babylonian Brotherhood who are trying to hijack human destiny into a godless NWO.



So ok, how do you know for sure that there is a God. What is it that makes you think without a shadow of doubt that there is a God, a Devil etc etc etc.

[amethyst]

No such things as facts when it comes to this subject. It's just all hear say, opinions, and a lot of guessing.


The whole religious thing is complete horse shit and there to control, but the concept of God could be possible, anything is possible, so I don't rule out the whole creation concept. But it's all the fucking quoting the bible shit that I find hilarious and I can't believe in this day and age people are still eating that shit up.


So the concept of God... possible and I simply do not know if there is one or not, just like every other fucker on the planet does not know for sure. But for some reason there are people who claim they know 100% without really producing any evidence of this God... so in reality that is blind faith.

Organised religion.... been exposed for what it is and is becoming more and more less relevant with each passing second.

So you say.

But yes,there is an element of "faith" involved in belief.

As Kierkegaard would say, it's that "leap" of faith, because it is a form of leaping into the unknown, yet trusting that you will be "caught" by the unknown. ;)

But I will agree with you about "organised religion'. The infinite can't be contained or boxed into our limited comprehension.

[titurel]

Got any proof of this ?? And before you start, quoting from the bible, the bible does not necessarily count as proof in my book so before ya start quoting Psalm 24, scene 8, act 22... I will tell you in advance I won't be reading it. :cool:
The Bible is not proof of anything. Rather you have to take what the Bible says in respect to the reptilian agenda and compare that to the forces controlling our world from behind the scenes. When you've done that, youfind that it's true that the Dragon forces are misleading the entire inhabited earth, and that the forces of the Serpent Babylonian Brotherhood are trying to institute a godless one world order in defiance of the primordial laws of God. You also haven't responded to the point that, for example, man cannot deal with other dimensional beings on his own, and since it's other dimensional reptilian dragons that are the root of hate and evil in the world, only beings of a higher consciousness can ultimately resolve earth's problems.

[titurel]

So ok, how do you know for sure that there is a God. What is it that makes you think without a shadow of doubt that there is a God, a Devil etc etc etc.
Because I've spent over 20 years studying the reptilian forces that lie behind world events. No one can prove there is or that there isn't a God. The jury is still out on this issue, but as I've said before, we shall know at Armageddon, when we witness the systemic collapse of this Luciferian global political, religious and economic system.

[redman]

edit.

[redman]

Because I've spent over 20 years studying the reptilian forces that lie behind world events. No one can prove there is or that there isn't a God. The jury is still out on this issue, but as I've said before, we shall know at Armageddon, when we witness the systemic collapse of this Luciferian global political, religious and economic system.



So the jury is still out you say... so you don't know for sure that God exists then ??


Also why are you so sure there is going to be Armageddon ?? Is it because your and many other people's interpretation of the bible claims there is going to be Armageddon ??

[amethyst]

I thought god DID create the devil......:confused:

I believe God did create the devil, another name for Satan. But the devil was not originally evil. He started out good (perhaps neutral ?) in the beginning but later became prideful and arrogant because of all that he possessed. He had rule over planets, and other celestial beings. That type of responcibility can go to your head and corrupt you.

That's what happened. He became corrupted, not unlike here on earth with certain individuals.

Thus, that is why he "fell'.

[titurel]

So the jury is still out you say... so you don't know for sure that God exists then ??


Also why are you so sure there is going to be Armageddon ?? Is it because your and many other people's interpretation of the bible claims there is going to be Armageddon ??
Yes, I am convinced that God exists but I don't expect to be able to convince those that still have a blindfold over their eyes.

There is going to be an Armageddon because how else can you imagine the NWO agenda collapsing, when those people in control of it are prepared to kill en masse, anyone who stands in their way? Answer that!

[amethyst]

Yes, I am convinced that God exists but I don't expect to be able to convince those that still have a blindfold over their eyes.

There is going to be an Armageddon because how else can you imagine the NWO agenda collapsing, when those people in control of it are prepared to kill en masse, anyone who stands in their way? Answer that!

Ah, it's back to the battle of Armageddon.....to take place in the Valley of Meggido in the country of Israel.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/883/armageddon2srd5thcr0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[redman]

Yes, I am convinced that God exists but I don't expect to be able to convince those that still have a blindfold over their eyes.

There is going to be an Armageddon because how else can you imagine the NWO agenda collapsing, when those people in control of it are prepared to kill en masse, anyone who stands in their way? Answer that!



So I have a blindfold over my eyes because I am actually neutral about a concept and open minded to the fact that there is a possibility of there being a God or something that created everything. But I ain't going to say I believe in it because I simply do not know for sure, but can see there is a possibility, but in my opinion a very unlikely possibility.


Well if there is mass wars and the people stand up against the NWO, which is also a possibility, that is not Armageddon in my eyes, that is the people standing up against a system that's screwed them for a very long time.


See you talk like you know for sure and what you are saying is without doubt the truth... Sorry like but it sounds like you are the one with the blindfold over your eyes and have a very rigid belief system that sort of scares the shit out of me with all that talk of Armageddon and the fact that you know it's coming... Sort of like wishing the shit happens if ya ask me.

What's even more scary is that people who get into power have very similar beliefs to you, so know wonder the planet is in such a shit state. LOL

[redman]

Don't you see believing in something that in reality makes you believe that horrible negative things are going to happen that means practically the end of the world.

Can you not see how disturbing that belief is.


Where the fuck is the peace and love in that message ??

[serenevasaline]

OK, I thought god created everything!

The whole entire universe, the angels etc etc

I thought the devil was a fallen angel, which means that god created him??

Or so I thought.

But I dont know. I aint even read the whole bible.

[lisaw]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U3905ufEkro
sorry but love midge, and i think we may need this song at the mo, seeing the world is going tits up

[titurel]

So I have a blindfold over my eyes because I am actually neutral about a concept and open minded to the fact that there is a possibility of there being a God or something that created everything. But I ain't going to say I believe in it because I simply do not know for sure, but can see there is a possibility, but in my opinion a very unlikely possibility.
I didn't understand that you're still open minded, so I wouldn't say you're one of the blind folded ones. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Well if there is mass wars and the people stand up against the NWO, which is also a possibility, that is not Armageddon in my eyes, that is the people standing up against a system that's screwed them for a very long time.
But what you've described just here above is largely the same as how Revelation describes the fall and collapse of the reptilian Dragon's NWO agenda. It will be like the biggest earthquake the earth has ever known, except that this mighty earthquake shall take place in the collective consciousness of mankind. That is why we should take the opportunity now to understand the forces at work behind the world's scenes.

See you talk like you know for sure and what you are saying is without doubt the truth... Sorry like but it sounds like you are the one with the blindfold over your eyes and have a very rigid belief system that sort of scares the shit out of me with all that talk of Armageddon and the fact that you know it's coming... Sort of like wishing the shit happens if ya ask me.
I'm sorry if the reality of the global situation frightens you, but through spiritual awakening, there's absolutely nothing to be fearful of because all fear is false evidence appearing real. I'm only being realistic because it's a fact that those men in charge of the NWO agenda are prepared to kill, en masse, anyone who gets in their way. Yes, we should do our bit to expose the agenda, even if that means sacrificing ones life, but ultimately, man cannot deal with fallen reptilian other dimensional beings that are the root cause of the NWO ambition and evil in our world.

What's even more scary is that people who get into power have very similar beliefs to you, so know wonder the planet is in such a shit state. LOL
In what respect do those in power have similar views to my own? You didn't say... you only make false assertions that never seem to be able to back up with any evidence...

[titurel]

OK, I thought god created everything!

The whole entire universe, the angels etc etc

I thought the devil was a fallen angel, which means that god created him??

Or so I thought.

But I dont know. I aint even read the whole bible.
God didn't create the fallen state of the angels. This fallen state only came about through the volition of divine beings who chose to rebel against God, and out of hate and spite, lead mankind astray into a godless global world order based on the survival of the fittest, which means the richest and most wealthy in society. It is a perverse ideology and totally contrary to the God's primordial laws of creation.

[redman]

I didn't understand that you're still open minded, so I wouldn't say you're one of the blind folded ones. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


But what you've described just here above is largely the same as how Revelation describes the fall and collapse of the reptilian Dragon's NWO agenda. It will be like the biggest earthquake the earth has ever known, except that this mighty earthquake shall take place in the collective consciousness of mankind. That is why we should take the opportunity now to understand the forces at work behind the world's scenes.


I'm sorry if the reality of the global situation frightens you, but through spiritual awakening, there's absolutely nothing to be fearful of because all fear is false evidence appearing real. I'm only being realistic because it's a fact that those men in charge of the NWO agenda are prepared to kill, en masse, anyone who gets in their way. Yes, we should do our bit to expose the agenda, even if that means sacrificing ones life, but ultimately, man cannot deal with fallen reptilian other dimensional beings that are the root cause of the NWO ambition and evil in our world.


In what respect do those in power have similar views to my own? You didn't say... you only make false assertions that never seem to be able to back up with any evidence...



Pot, Kettle, black springs to mind. :D

[amethyst]

OK, I thought god created everything!

The whole entire universe, the angels etc etc

I thought the devil was a fallen angel, which means that god created him??

Or so I thought.

But I dont know. I aint even read the whole bible.

Did you read my previous post?

I answered that.

yes, God did create him, but he didn't start out evil . He became evil as a result of his pride.

[titurel]

Pot, Kettle, black springs to mind.
I have raised many points that you haven't addressed, so I disagree about the pot calling the kettle black.

[amethyst]

God didn't create the fallen state of the angels. This fallen state only came about through the volition of divine beings who chose to rebel against God, and out of hate and spite, lead mankind astray into a godless global world order based on the survival of the fittest, which means the richest and most wealthy in society. It is a perverse ideology and totally contrary to the God's primordial laws of creation.

Titurel, would you agree that the the fallen angels were not originally created evil but became so, by their own free choice to rebel and follow Satan?

[redman]

I didn't understand that you're still open minded, so I wouldn't say you're one of the blind folded ones. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


But what you've described just here above is largely the same as how Revelation describes the fall and collapse of the reptilian Dragon's NWO agenda. It will be like the biggest earthquake the earth has ever known, except that this mighty earthquake shall take place in the collective consciousness of mankind. That is why we should take the opportunity now to understand the forces at work behind the world's scenes.


I'm sorry if the reality of the global situation frightens you, but through spiritual awakening, there's absolutely nothing to be fearful of because all fear is false evidence appearing real. I'm only being realistic because it's a fact that those men in charge of the NWO agenda are prepared to kill, en masse, anyone who gets in their way. Yes, we should do our bit to expose the agenda, even if that means sacrificing ones life, but ultimately, man cannot deal with fallen reptilian other dimensional beings that are the root cause of the NWO ambition and evil in our world.


In what respect do those in power have similar views to my own? You didn't say... you only make false assertions that never seem to be able to back up with any evidence...



I didn't say the global situation frightens me, I did say your beliefs scared me shitless because most wars are fought over belief systems like your own and then it's the whole belief that Armageddon is coming and then that's when God appears... Just a bit fucking wacky for my liking, and the fact it comes from the bible makes it even worse.

[titurel]

Titurel, would you agree that the the fallen angels were not originally created evil but became so, by their own free choice to rebel and follow Satan?
Yes, and that's what I've been saying all along. The fallen angels were not created in that state but rather became like that through their own volition!

[redman]

I have raised many points that you haven't addressed, so I disagree about the pot calling the kettle black.

Thats because I was adressing them on another post as you posted this. :D

[amethyst]

Yes, and that's what I've been saying all along. The fallen angels were not created in that state but rather became like that through their own volition!

That's what I thought you meant ;)

[titurel]

I didn't say the global situation frightens me, I did say your beliefs scared me shitless because most wars are fought over belief systems like your own and then it's the whole belief that Armageddon is coming and then that's when God appears... Just a bit fucking wacky for my liking, and the fact it comes from the bible makes it even worse.
How are most wars fought over belief systems like mine when I don't advocate war or violence of any kind and nor do I subscribe to Churchianity in any form because Churchianity is a creation of the Babylonian Brotherhood who conquer through the processes of divide and rule.

In repsect to wacky beliefs... it's even more wacky to believe that it's just man verses the Reptilian other dimensional beings. If I held that view, I would be just as scared shitless as you, but I don't because I know there are higher powers than the demonic forces behind the scenes of world events that are now culminating. The fact that your belief system doesn't acknowledge any of this is a point of concern because according to your belief system, it's collective humanity in a very dangerous viper's nest and you seem to have no solutions or answers as to how this situation can be respolved. You merely attack the beliefs of others, which is an easy option that doesn't require thinking outside of the box.

[redman]

Anyway I'm out of here, I can see this is going to go absolutley fucking nowhere.


Have fun, and I hope that Armageddon shit happens in your reality and not mine. :D


Must warn you be careful what you wish for... I suspect that TPTB have known about the power of collective consciousness for a long time and you think how many religious people out there like yourself that think the end of the world is coming and Armageddon is upon us.

I actually am baffled how they can actually spread this shit into our daily lives and teach it at schools etc. What a Fucking crazy ass world we live in. LMAO

[titurel]

Thats because I was adressing them on another post as you posted this. :D
Hmmm... I haven't seen that. Got a link?

[titurel]

Anyway I'm out of here, I can see this is going to go absolutley fucking nowhere.


Have fun, and I hope that Armageddon shit happens in your reality and not mine. :D


Must warn you be careful what you wish for... I suspect that TPTB have known about the power of collective consciousness for a long time and you think how many religious people out there like yourself that think the end of the world is coming and Armageddon is upon us.

I actually am baffled how they can actually spread this shit into our daily lives and teach it at schools etc. What a Fucking crazy ass world we live in. LMAO
i do not believe the end of the world is coming... and neither does the Bible say Armageddon is the end of the world, so you haven't taken the trouble to find out my views on the matter. Jumping to premature conclusions to suit your prejudices. How do you think the NWO ambition is going to end? Do you think those in charge of it will give up their powers and controls peacefully? It's man that's responsible for the sickness of the world, not God.

[newdecades]

I notice you guys quote the bible a lot. What makes you think the 'illuminati/NWO/whatever you want to call it' weren't involved in what was put in the bible? Maybe even had a hand in writing it? The adam and eve story was obviously made up by man in my opinion, it just happened to be the woman who ate from the tree first, haha. Maybe they want us to believe that we will be saved by a god so we don't try to stand up for ourselves.

[redman]

How are most wars fought over belief systems like mine when I don't advocate war or violence of any kind and nor do I subscribe to Churchianity in any form because Churchianity is a creation of the Babylonian Brotherhood who conquer through the processes of divide and rule.

In repsect to wacky beliefs... it's even more wacky to believe that it's just man verses the Reptilian other dimensional beings. If I held that view, I would be just as scared shitless as you, but I don't because I know there are higher powers than the demonic forces behind the scenes of world events that are now culminating. The fact that your belief system doesn't acknowledge any of this is a point of concern because according to your belief system, it's collective humanity in a very dangerous viper's nest and you seem to have no solutions or answers as to how this situation can be respolved. You merely attack the beliefs of others, which is an easy option that doesn't require thinking outside of the box.



Now I have researched about the Reptillian concept and all that, what makes you so sure that it's true and in fact happening. Have you ever seen one ?? Have you any evidence that you can share with me so I can see what it is that makes you so fucking sure ??


Because I have studied about the Nephilim, the Annouaki, the reptilians and countless other different theory's etc. But you are there speaking like you know for sure and this is how it is.

Just wondering what evidence you have seen that's different to the stuff that I have seen... because I have looked at this stuff and really don't think that I could bring myself to talk like you do as if you know for sure it all exists just off the back of doing some research which generally means looking at someone elses theory's and work etc.

But believe me I took it all in and without any evidence against or for, who is to say if it is true or not... Just find it strange that you talk like you know for sure. So explain why you come to this conclusion ?? Hey even David Icke has well and truly distanced himself from the reptillian theory, or at least gone real quiet on the whole concept.

[armoured_amazon]

Yes, I am convinced that God exists but I don't expect to be able to convince those that still have a blindfold over their eyes.

That's right! :)

[titurel]

I notice you guys quote the bible a lot.
I have actually quoted the Bible very little because I focus on describing the focres behind the mounting global tribulations.

What makes you think the 'illuminati/NWO/whatever you want to call it' weren't involved in what was put in the bible?
Because the Bible exposes their agenda and describes how the architects of it shall fall into an abyss of their own making!

[serenevasaline]

Did you read my previous post?



No I didnt =)

I shall go read now.

[redman]

i do not believe the end of the world is coming... and neither does the Bible say Armageddon is the end of the world, so you haven't taken the trouble to find out my views on the matter. Jumping to premature conclusions to suit your prejudices. How do you think the NWO ambition is going to end? Do you think those in charge of it will give up their powers and controls peacefully? It's man that's responsible for the sickness of the world, not God.

You said Armageddon is coming.


Because I've spent over 20 years studying the reptilian forces that lie behind world events. No one can prove there is or that there isn't a God. The jury is still out on this issue, but as I've said before, we shall know at Armageddon, when we witness the systemic collapse of this Luciferian global political, religious and economic system.



And Armageddon means....

Ar·ma·ged·don

1. Bible The scene of a final battle between the forces of good and evil, prophesied to occur at the end of the world.

[titurel]

Now I have researched about the Reptillian concept and all that, what makes you so sure that it's true and in fact happening. Have you ever seen one ?? Have you any evidence that you can share with me so I can see what it is that makes you so fucking sure ??
For example, I think the evidence that David Icke has produced is fairly convincing, in repsect to the reptilians. Additionally, I've been studying the beliefs, rituals and customs of the Babylonian elite and time and time again, it always comes back to these reptilian beings. In order to gain great power, you have to sell your soul to other dimensional beings and I don't just take that view because that's what the Bible tells me but rather because of what some of the most celebrated men inside the Brotherhoods, such as Freemasonry, have written.

Hey even David Icke has well and truly distanced himself from the reptillian theory, or at least gone real quiet on the whole concept.
David Icke still maintains the NWO agenda is reptilian in nature and that these beings are not human. He has not once ever revoked what he's said in his books, in respect to this issue.

[titurel]

You said Armageddon is coming.






And Armageddon means....

Ar·ma·ged·don

1. Bible The scene of a final battle between the forces of good and evil, prophesied to occur at the end of the world.
Armageddon is the final battle between good and evil but no where in the Bible does it say Armageddon means the end of the world because the prophets have described what will take place, on earth, after Armageddon - whereby the earth shall be resored to a paradise with no pain or spiritual death!

[redman]

Yes, I am convinced that God exists but I don't expect to be able to convince those that still have a blindfold over their eyes.






The fact you have to be " convinced " to believe in God, is all I need to know.




Like I said, you my friend are the one that's got the blindfold on.

[amethyst]

The battle of Armageddon is not the end of this world...it's the end of this "age" of the world. There is another "age" for the earth (the millenium) after this battle takes place.

[redman]

For example, I think the evidence that David Icke has produced is fairly convincing, in repsect to the reptilians. Additionally, I've been studying the beliefs, rituals and customs of the Babylonian elite and time and time again, it always comes back to these reptilian beings. In order to gain great power, you have to sell your soul to other dimensional beings and I don't just take that view because that's what the Bible tells me but rather because of what some of the most celebrated men inside the Brotherhoods, such as Freemasonry, have written.


David Icke still maintains the NWO agenda is reptilian in nature and that these beings are not human. He has not once ever revoked what he's said in his books, in respect to this issue.



Most definitely started to distance himself from it though mate, less and less talk about it these days, you have to admit that.

He ain't revoked, but most definitley ain't throwing the message out there is he.

[redman]

The battle of Armageddon is not the end of this world...it's the end of this "age" of the world. There is another "age" for the earth (the millenium) after this battle takes place.

Yeah but the bible does not state it is the end of the age. It says the end of the world.


In the King James version it does anyway.

[titurel]

The fact you have to be " convinced " to believe in God, is all I need to know.

Like I said, you my friend are the one that's got the blindfold on.
The blindfold is on you because you have yet to show how humanity can resolve the reptilian agenda on his own without help from higher dimensional beings.

[titurel]

Yeah but the bible does not state it is the end of the age. It says the end of the world.


In the King James version it does anyway.
Revelation does state Armageddon is the end of the world, but only in respect to the Babylonian world system. No where does it state that Armageddon is the end of life on earth.

[titurel]

Most definitely started to distance himself from it though mate, less and less talk about it these days, you have to admit that.

He ain't revoked, but most definitley ain't throwing the message out there is he.
I have heard David Icke confirm his views in respect to the reptilians in radio interviews this year. I agree he mentions it less and less but he has not recanted on his view that the monarchy, for example, are shape-shifting lizards.

[redman]

Armageddon is the final battle between good and evil but no where in the Bible does it say Armageddon means the end of the world because the prophets have described what will take place, on earth, after Armageddon - whereby the earth shall be resored to a paradise with no pain or spiritual death!

So what your asking me to do is not take the meaning of Armageddon as what it describes in the bible and the dictionary... and take it as what you think it means.

You should of explained that when you typed that we will find out that God exists at Armageddon because I automatically thought at the end of the world when God comes and judges us all.

[amethyst]

I have actually quoted the Bible very little because I focus on describing the focres behind the mounting global tribulations.


Because the Bible exposes their agenda and describes how the architects of it shall fall into an abyss of their own making!

Yes, the brotherhood have taken the Bible and used it for their own ends to try and achieve their own goals by manipulating it and making it "say" what ever message "they" want it to say.

This has been done all throughout history.

Taking an originally good product and corrupting it. Just like Satan himself became corrupted, to achieve his own ends.

Can we possibly say "like Father, like sons"? Why did Jesus say to the pharisee's (the NWO gang of their time)

"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it." (John 8:44)

Now who does the works of the devil, Satan, in this day we are living in?

Is it not the elite, the so-called illuminated ones that carry out the deeds of their "father"? Some knowingly, others, unknowingly?

[redman]

Revelation does state Armageddon is the end of the world, but only in respect to the Babylonian world system. No where does it state that Armageddon is the end of life on earth.



Well ya see this is where the bible is all about interpretation.

Mathew 28. 20

Jesus says. " I will be with you even to the end of the world ".


That's where the whole end times scenario is depicted from.


So it does say " the end of the world ".



If the world ends, then how the fuck is there going to be life on the fucker.




Listen I'm out of here. Like talking to those bell ends that think Paul MCcartney died and was replaced by a look a like from a look a like competition.. LMAO.



Have fun, take care and all the best for easter. Later

[amethyst]

Revelation does state Armageddon is the end of the world, but only in respect to the Babylonian world system. No where does it state that Armageddon is the end of life on earth.

Yes, because the book of Revelation is a culmination, a completion of events.

Whereas, the book of Genesis, is a book of beginnings. The start of events, of this age. There will be another earth age after the age we are in right now.

And BTW, there was an "age" prior to the book of Genesis. Possibly Atlantis is included in this? The scientific evidence seems to be bearing this out.

[titurel]

So what your asking me to do is not take the meaning of Armageddon as what it describes in the bible and the dictionary... and take it as what you think it means.

You should of explained that when you typed that we will find out that God exists at Armageddon because I automatically thought at the end of the world when God comes and judges us all.
Hope my views on the issue are cleared up now. I've found nothing in the Bible to suggest that Armageddon means the end of life on earth. After all, the Bible describes an earth that is restored to a paradise after Armageddon:


"At that time the eyes of the blind ones will be opened, and the very eyes of the deaf ones will be unstopped. At that time the lame one will climb up just as the stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness. For in the wilderness, waters will have burst out, and torrents in the dessert plain. And the heart-parched ground will have become a ready pool, and the thirsty ground as springs of water. In the abiding place of jackals, a resting-place for them, there will be green grass with reeds and papyrus plants.

And there will certainly come to be a highway there, even a way; and the Way of Holiness it will be called. The unclean one will not pass over it. And it will be for the one walking on the way, and no foolish ones will wander about on it. No lion will prove to be there, and the rapacious sort of wild beast will not come upon it. None will be found there; and the repurchased ones must walk there. And the very ones redeemed by God will return and certainly come to Zion with a joyful cry; and rejoicing to time indefinite will be upon their head. To exultation and rejoicing they will attain; and grief and sighing must flee away." - Isaiah 35:4-10

[titurel]

Well ya see this is where the bible is all about interpretation.

Mathew 28. 20

Jesus says. " I will be with you even to the end of the world ".


That's where the whole end times scenario is depicted from.


So it does say " the end of the world ".

If the world ends, then how the fuck is there going to be life on the fucker.

Listen I'm out of here. Like talking to those bell ends that think Paul MCcartney died and was replaced by a look a like from a look a like competition.. LMAO.


Have fun, take care and all the best for easter. Later
Because the use of the word "world" is a metaphor for the Babylonian system that has taken control of this world. When Christ spoke about the end of the world, he was talking about the end of the Serpent's global economic, religious and political system. It's very clear what he said but errors can be made if you take things out of context.

[redman]

Because the use of the word "world" is a metaphor for the Babylonian system that has taken control of this world. When Christ spoke about the end of the world, he was talking about the end of the Serpent's global economic, religious and political system. It's very clear what he said but errors can be made if you take things out of context.

So Jesus was talking about the Reppies then ??


Oh well that clears it up.


Cheers, I believe in God now. :cool:

[redman]

Because the use of the word "world" is a metaphor for the Babylonian system that has taken control of this world. When Christ spoke about the end of the world, he was talking about the end of the Serpent's global economic, religious and political system. It's very clear what he said but errors can be made if you take things out of context.

Ever thought that you could be wrong and could be taking it out of context ?? Because there will be millions of other religious people across the globe that will have their own interpretation of what it means and not agree with yours.


But you're right ?? :rolleyes:

[titurel]

So Jesus was talking about the Reppies then ??

If you look at the context of Christ's message, he was referring to the end of the Dragon's world system, yes.

[titurel]

Ever thought that you could be wrong and could be taking it out of context ?? Because there will be millions of other religious people across the globe that will have their own interpretation of what it means and not agree with yours.


But you're right ?? :rolleyes:
I've already quoted passages from the Bible that show that Armageddon does not mean the end of life on earth.

[redman]

I've already quoted passages from the Bible that show that Armageddon does not mean the end of life on earth.

Where... cos the quote I read could be talking about anywhere. Could be talking about heaven. etc.

[redman]

If you look at the context of Christ's message, he was referring to the end of the Dragon's world system, yes.




Hmmmm... :rolleyes:

[titurel]

Where... cos the quote I read could be talking about anywhere. Could be talking about heaven. etc.
The quote I gave describes what takes place after Armageddon. Christ also said that the meek shall inherit the earth. How can the meek inherit the earth if all life has been wipped out by Armageddon? After Armageddon, Christ said:

"And they will hunger no more nor thirst any more, neither will the sun (the rulers of the world) beat down upon them, nor any scorching heat, because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes." (Rev. 7: 16 + 17)

[titurel]

Hmmmm... :rolleyes:
Show me where in the Bible it states that Armageddon means the end of life on earth. The fact is, there is no such passage!

[zero1]

Show me where in the Bible it states that Armageddon means the end of life on earth. The fact is, there is no such passage!

It says we'll all be singing a "New Song". Kinda implies we'll still be around. ;)

[titurel]

It says we'll all be singing a "New Song". Kinda implies we'll still be around. ;)
Precisely... after Armageddon there will be "a new heaven and a new earth."

[amethyst]

So Jesus was talking about the Reppies then ??


Oh well that clears it up.


Cheers, I believe in God now. :cool:

Jesus Christ knows all about those reptillian/serpent and serpent-like beings.

The serpent ones were the ones that had him crucified. But he outwitted them by ressurecting. Now He lives forever seated at right hand of God the Father.

[amethyst]

Precisely... after Armageddon there will be "a new heaven and a new earth."

Actually, after the battle of Armageddon, there will be a new "age" that the earth will go into for a thousand years time.

Then after that, God will actually create a completely new heaven and a new earth'.This probably includes a completely new solar system, as well as a new earth.

[titurel]

Actually, after the battle of Armageddon, there will be a new "age" that the earth will go into for a thousand years time.

Then after that, God will actually create a completely new heaven and a new earth'.This probably includes a completely new solar system, as well as a new earth.
Of course, I didn't go into detail, just an overview. God's overriding plan for humanity is to be raised into the spirit, beyond the world of matter, so that he walk with God. As you stated, this will not happen immediately after Armageddon, but after the 1000 years and after Satan is yet again in the world. The 1000 year kingdom of Christ on earth will be a university for those wishing to enter the kingdom of heaven to be in God's tent.

[amethyst]

Of course, I didn't go into detail, just an overview. God's overriding plan for humanity is to be raised into the spirit, beyond the world of matter, so that he walk with God. As you stated, this will not happen immediately after Armageddon, but after the 1000 years and after Satan is yet again in the world. The 1000 year kingdom of Christ on earth will be a university for those wishing to enter the kingdom of heaven to be in God's tent.

Yeah, a "university" with the most incredible teaching ever! :D

[hw spartan]

Dear God.

:D:o:):mad::confused::(:p;):eek::cool:

[titurel]

Dear God.
So who is going to rid the world of demonic reptilian influences? You haven't answered that one...

[redman]

So who is going to rid the world of demonic reptilian influences? You haven't answered that one...


Why the fuck did God let the demonic reptillian influences happen in the first place ?? Ever thought about that, all knowing one. LMAO

[titurel]

Why the fuck did God let the demonic reptillian influences happen in the first place ?? Ever thought about that, all knowing one. LMAO
Because man has to learn from the mistake of rejecting God. It's no good blaming God for your woes, otherwise you'll end up in a psychological godless morass.

[redman]

Because man has to learn from the mistake of rejecting God. It's no good blaming God for your woes, otherwise you'll end up in a psychological godless morass.



LMAO... Ya know what, I can not even be arsed.

[titurel]

LMAO... Ya know what, I can not even be arsed.
That's up to you! lol!

[redman]

Because man has to learn from the mistake of rejecting God. It's no good blaming God for your woes, otherwise you'll end up in a psychological godless morass.



So he let the reppies control us so that we can learn from our mistake of rejecting him or whatever God is. Only to come and save us from them.



Seems like a bit of a pointless fucking exercise if you ask me.

[redman]

That's up to you! lol!


Ya know what I am starting to feel like Bill Hicks when he talks about debating with Christians.. LMAO.


Can I ask you... you keep quoting the bible, are you one of these fuck wits that think the planet is around 6 thousand years old. LMAO

[titurel]

So he let the reppies control us so that we can learn from our mistake of rejecting him or whatever God is. Only to come and save us from them.



Seems like a bit of a pointless fucking exercise if you ask me.
By rejecting God, you hand over the control you have of yourself to demonic reptiles and their plans for a godless global world order.

[titurel]

Ya know what I am starting to feel like Bill Hicks when he talks about debating with Christians.. LMAO.
LOL, and debating with you is no different to arguing with Masons... :rolleyes:

[titurel]

Ya know what I am starting to feel like Bill Hicks when he talks about debating with Christians.. LMAO.


Can I ask you... you keep quoting the bible, are you one of these fuck wits that think the planet is around 6 thousand years old. LMAO
Fuck off talking to me like that.

[redman]

By rejecting God, you hand over the control you have of yourself to demonic reptiles and their plans for a godless global world order.

Well I think by accepting this belief of God with no evidence that he actually exists is also handing control over to TPTB.


So really we are in the same boat if that's the case.

[redman]

Fuck off talking to me like that.

I am not talking to you.. I am typing stuff out on a forum.


So come on then.... are ya one these balloons that think the planet is 6 thousand years old... LMAO

[titurel]

Well I think by accepting this belief of God with no evidence that he actually exists is also handing control over to TPTB.


So really we are in the same boat if that's the case.
You provided no evidence God doen't exist, and I don't see how one can hand over power to the tptb if one doesn't have faith in any of their beliefs or institutions!

[redman]

Fuck off talking to me like that.



Forgive me... LMAO

[titurel]

I am not talking to you.. I am typing stuff out on a forum.


So come on then.... are ya one these balloons that think the planet is 6 thousand years old... LMAO
The earth is not 6,000 years old.

[redman]

You provided no evidence God doen't exist, and I don't see how one can hand over power to the tptb if one doesn't have faith in any of their beliefs or institutions!



Well if the powers that be actually created the concept of there being a God in the first place then you have fell for it hook, line and sinker.. ain't ya. LMAO

[titurel]

Forgive me... LMAO
I suppose you can't help being a twot.

[newdecades]

Because the Bible exposes their agenda and describes how the architects of it shall fall into an abyss of their own making!
So does a lot of other ancient religions versions of 'revelations'. They were written long before the bible was. Yet you don't believe their religions. Only the bible. Seems kind of weird to me. Perhaps 'Revelations' was based on older tales and writings of 'the end of the world'?

[redman]

You provided no evidence God doen't exist, and I don't see how one can hand over power to the tptb if one doesn't have faith in any of their beliefs or institutions!

I ain't saying he doesn't exist... I have already stated that I totally do not rule out the possibility, but I ain't going to go round quoting the bible and stating as a fact on the evidence that's available.

You on the other hand do talk as if it's fact that he or it does exist and you do go round quoting the bible and think that somehow God is coming to save the day and save us from reptilians that are in control of us.

[brainfreeze]

You found God? If nobody claims him in thirty days, he's yours! ~Author Unknown.

Just read Job. Now that's an arrogant God who expected glorification regardless.

[titurel]

So does a lot of other ancient religions versions of 'revelations'. They were written long before the bible was. Yet you don't believe their religions. Only the bible. Seems kind of weird to me. Perhaps 'Revelations' was based on older tales and writings of 'the end of the world'?
Revelation only reports the end of the Serpent's world system of big business, religion and politics, but I agree that reports of there being a major cataclism befalling humanity at the end of this age, is written in many other belief systems. Revelation gives the fullest and most detailed report.

[titurel]

You found God? If nobody claims him in thirty days, he's yours! ~Author Unknown.

Just read Job. Now that's an arrogant God who expected glorification regardless.
It was the Devil that desired glorifiction but lost he the bet!

[titurel]

I ain't saying he doesn't exist... I have already stated that I totally do not rule out the possibility, but I ain't going to go round quoting the bible and stating as a fact on the evidence that's available.

You on the other hand do talk as if it's fact that he or it does exist and you do go round quoting the bible and think that somehow God is coming to save the day and save us from reptilians that are in control of us.
Then detail how you think man can "save the day"! So far, I haven't seen any one successfully do that...

[brainfreeze]

It was the Devil that desired glorifiction but lost he the bet!

http://richarddawkins.net/godDelusion

If God is the father he should be done for abuse.

Forgive me father for YOU have sinned!

[orbandsceptre27]

God is a mind projection - God does`nt exist. ;)

[orbandsceptre27]

God is a mind projection - God exists ;)

[redman]

Then detail how you think man can "save the day"! So far, I haven't seen any one successfully do that...

You detail how you think this God is going to save the day ?? I am not claiming that man is going to save the day. Ever thought we may not be saved and TPTB or the reptilians as you call them, have their wicked way and we can't do shit. That's also a possibility.. isn't it ??


Not being funny but do you realize how fucking stupid you sound. I don't mean to be rude or anything.

[newdecades]

Revelation only reports the end of the Serpent's world system of big business, religion and politics, but I agree that reports of there being a major cataclism befalling humanity at the end of this age, is written in many other belief systems. Revelation gives the fullest and most detailed report.

So do the other religions. A lot of them say that the modern world will fall then life will start over and be a lot better. Just like revelations. The reason why revelations gives more detail is because revelations was written a lot later than the older religions. If revelations was written today it would have even MORE detail than the revelations in the bible.

[redman]

So do the other religions. A lot of them say that the modern world will fall then life will start over and be a lot better. Just like revelations. The reason why revelations gives more detail is because revelations was written a lot later than the older religions. If revelations was written today it would have even MORE detail than the revelations in the bible.

Probably be a film... something like Die Hard 5. LOL

[titurel]

http://richarddawkins.net/godDelusion

If God is the father he should be done for abuse.

Forgive me father for YOU have sinned!
I disagree because Job was already in a fallen state and the experience made him a stronger person as a result, and the rewards are greater for those who stay with God rather than lazily and cowardly relax with the Devil.

[titurel]

So do the other religions. A lot of them say that the modern world will fall then life will start over and be a lot better. Just like revelations. The reason why revelations gives more detail is because revelations was written a lot later than the older religions. If revelations was written today it would have even MORE detail than the revelations in the bible.
The reason why Revelation gives more details is because it came from a Divine source.

[brainfreeze]

I disagree because Job was already in a fallen state and the experience made him a stronger person as a result, and the rewards are greater for those who stay with God rather than lazily and cowardly relax with the Devil.

Sorry, too much of Christian religion is based on PURE FAITH. In other words, no evidence.

The Christian God is the God of War, he even tells you so himself. I'm not bowing down to that ideology!

I've not yet read The God Delusion, just bought it, but I'm sure it will have more proof that God does NOT exist than God himself has given that he does.

Besides, what's the point of hiding from your creation then punishing them for not believing you exist when they can't find any evidence of you when they look?

And, if God is all seeing and all powerfull, why let Satan reek havoc and reign?

[titurel]

You detail how you think this God is going to save the day ?? I am not claiming that man is going to save the day. Ever thought we may not be saved and TPTB or the reptilians as you call them, have their wicked way and we can't do shit. That's also a possibility.. isn't it ??


Not being funny but do you realize how fucking stupid you sound. I don't mean to be rude or anything.
If you want to write like a thicko that's up to you.

[titurel]

Sorry, too much of Christian religion is based on PURE FAITH. In other words, no evidence.

The Christian God is the God of War, he even tells you so himself. I'm not bowing down to that ideology!

I've not yet read The God Delusion, just bought it, but I'm sure it will have more proof that God does NOT exist than God himself has given that he does.
The evidence is all over the place if you study closely the forces behind the scenes of global events. Best wishes with reading the works of the evangelist Dawkins and his religion of scientism... but he doesn't have much to say about the hidden forces behind world events or anything much that should concern any thinking person.

[twistedconcept]

http://richarddawkins.net/godDelusion

If God is the father he should be done for abuse.

Forgive me father for YOU have sinned!

Richard Dawkins is an atheist fundamentalist that regards every religious person as a nutter.

[titurel]

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4729/bookcovermf7.jpg

"Richard Dawkins is an evangelical. The cover of this book, with its red explosion and large writing, reminds one of those popular volumes by Protestant pastors which purport to prove that JESUS IS ALIVE. Dawkins has all the fervour and anger of such persons, and their well-meaning puzzlement that so many cannot see what to them is so blindingly obvious. 'Can't you see', yells Dawkins, 'JESUS IS DEAD?' " (Charles Moore, The Spectator, 7th October, 2006)

[twistedconcept]

I've only read a very limited amount of the Bible. My father is a big fan of it (he was once an atheist).

From my understanding, the suffering that occurs in this world is due to man rejecting God. He offered man perfection but was constantly rejected by human beings, who chose to rebel against him. After this, God finally said 'have it your way'.

The Devil is apparently in control of the world, largely due to man's rejection of God. According to the book of revelations, God will destroy the Devil. After a thousand years, a new Heaven and Earth will be created (If my memory is correct).

I have mixed views of the Bible (I think it can be good and bad). It may be completely true and has been used by the elite to further their own agenda.

The Reptilians may be a description of Lucifer. These Satanic rituals occur and the elite are certainly worshipping something.

I think that there's something more than just a human agenda.

[twistedconcept]

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4729/bookcovermf7.jpg

"Richard Dawkins is an evangelical. The cover of this book, with its red explosion and large writing, reminds one of those popular volumes by Protestant pastors which purport to prove that JESUS IS ALIVE. Dawkins has all the fervour and anger of such persons, and their well-meaning puzzlement that so many cannot see what to them is so blindingly obvious. 'Can't you see', yells Dawkins, 'JESUS IS DEAD?' " (Charles Moore, The Spectator, 7th October, 2006)

Alister McGrath wrote an excellent book known as 'The Dawkins Delusion', where he completely destroys Dawkins' limited and laughable arguments.

[brainfreeze]

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4729/bookcovermf7.jpg

"Richard Dawkins is an evangelical. The cover of this book, with its red explosion and large writing, reminds one of those popular volumes by Protestant pastors which purport to prove that JESUS IS ALIVE. Dawkins has all the fervour and anger of such persons, and their well-meaning puzzlement that so many cannot see what to them is so blindingly obvious. 'Can't you see', yells Dawkins, 'JESUS IS DEAD?' " (Charles Moore, The Spectator, 7th October, 2006)


I'll read the book before passing judgement. ;)

[newdecades]

The reason why Revelation gives more details is because it came from a Divine source.

So YOUR beliefs came from a divine source but the ancient religions were just a bunch of fairytales. I see.
I think whoever wrote revelations should be charged with plagiarism.

[titurel]

So YOUR beliefs came from a divine source but the ancient religions were just a bunch of fairytales. I see.
I think whoever wrote revelations should be charged with plagiarism.
There are no earlier texts that give as much detail as Revelation, so I don't see how it could be a plagiarism.

[brainfreeze]

The Bible starts with, In the beginning God said let their be light, and the light seperated the day from the night yadda yadda yadda, yet only on the 4th day (or was it the 5th) did he create the sun the moon and the stars

But there are so many more contridictions. I started highlighting them in my Bible in my early twenties. Found a website that has found more then me.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

Damn. evilbible.com is down!

[orbandsceptre27]

God isn`t a belief - God "is" - A belief is a mind construct!

"To be or not to be, that is the question."

[newdecades]

There are no earlier texts that give as much detail as Revelation, so I don't see how it could be a plagiarism.

What i'm pointing out is that all of the religious beliefs up to today have a destruction of the modern world and a new peaceful world emerging from it. To me it sounds like all religious beliefs came from the same source. That source was originaly probably the actual 'truth'. In my opinion, it seems like the truth was 'hijacked' and was mixed with a bunch of lies and disinfo and that's where we get all of our religious beliefs(including the ancient religions before christianity). We are led to believe that we are helpless and need to wait around for a god or messiah to help us out of this mess when we can actually do it right now if we wanted to because the power is within us. Every religion has a 'god' or 'messiah' coming to save us from 'evil' because we can't do it ourselves. I think that's probably what the 'illuminati/NWO' want us to think.

[titurel]

What i'm pointing out is that all of the religious beliefs up to today have a destruction of the modern world and a new peaceful world emerging from it. To me it sounds like all religious beliefs came from the same source. That source was originaly probably the actual 'truth'. In my opinion, it seems like the truth was 'hijacked' and was mixed with a bunch of lies and disinfo and that's where we get all of our religious beliefs(including the ancient religions before christianity). We are led to believe that we are helpless and need to wait around for a god or messiah to help us out of this mess when we can actually do it right now if we wanted to because the power is within us. Every religion has a 'god' or 'messiah' coming to save us from 'evil' because we can't do it ourselves. I think that's probably what the 'illuminati/NWO' want us to think.
All these ideas must have come from a Divine source, but part of that Divine source consists of fallen Divine beings who use truth in order to mislead. I would also maintain that given the trends in world events, mankind is helpless in finding a way out of all these mounting global problems and tribulations. It's in the interests of the architects of the dark forces moulding the world, to brainwash people into loosing their connection with God because if the whole of mankind turns away from God, then they have won the battle, so don't be fooled!

[tjohn]

People who blame God are playing into the reptilian's schemes and are avoiding self responsibility.People who blame the devil are playing into the reptilian's schemes and are avoiding self responsibility!

[titurel]

People who blame the devil are playing into the reptilian's schemes and are avoiding self responsibility!
I've never said blame the Devil. It's no good blaming God either. What I've consistently said is that we have to accept self responsibility! However, that does not mean to say that these reptilians are not part of the problem.

[titurel]

People who blame the devil are playing into the reptilian's schemes and are avoiding self responsibility!
I agree but I've never blamed the Devil for my own problems. However, that doesn't mean to say we should turn a blind eye to the reptilian issue and in that regard, Icke has done a lot of good work in exposing their schemes and corruption.

[titurel]

God isn`t a belief - God "is" - A belief is a mind construct!

"To be or not to be, that is the question."
Sounds like semantics to me...

[newdecades]

All these ideas must have come from a Divine source, but part of that Divine source consists of fallen Divine beings who use truth in order to mislead. I would also maintain that given the trends in world events, mankind is helpless in finding a way out of all these mounting global problems and tribulations. It's in the interests of the architects of the dark forces moulding the world, to brainwash people into loosing their connection with God because if the whole of mankind turns away from God, then they have won the battle, so don't be fooled!

We have different definitions of 'god'. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[orbandsceptre27]

We have different definitions of 'god'. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Why do you want to define God? - God is no thing, God "is"

[titurel]

Why do you want to define God? - God is no thing, God "is"
I agree, the human intellect can never know what God is. The best the human intellect can do is to understand the attributes of God. Effects rather than the ultimate root cause, which far too vast and complex for us to comprehend at the presnt time.

[titurel]

We have different definitions of 'god'. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Agreed.

[newdecades]

Why do you want to define God? - God is no thing, God "is"

I agree. That's why i'm saying I don't believe there is going to be a 'messiah' that's going to come and 'save us'. I believe that what people label 'god' is already here and within us. Not some seperate deity that is watching over us and is going to 'return' and save us.

[hw spartan]

I agree but I've never blamed the Devil for my own problems. However, that doesn't mean to say we should turn a blind eye to the reptilian issue and in that regard, Icke has done a lot of good work in exposing their schemes and corruption.

Yup, spot on with that one.
:)

but i must add"the devil actaully is the root of your problems, but it manifests in sin, wich in turn was your will, so your half right"
:)
nice:cool:

[orbandsceptre27]

I agree. That's why i'm saying I don't believe there is going to be a 'messiah' that's going to come and 'save us'. I believe that what people label 'god' is already here and within us. Not some seperate deity that is watching over us and is going to 'return' and save us.

I agree with that.

[kingmonkey]

I agree. That's why i'm saying I don't believe there is going to be a 'messiah' that's going to come and 'save us'. I believe that what people label 'god' is already here and within us. Not some seperate deity that is watching over us and is going to 'return' and save us.

100% agree. I think the "judgement" of god is our own collective & individual conscience and the biggest "sin" is ignoring what you know is right deep down. That's how we've got to the point we're at; by ignoring our inner voice and being tempted away from it and taught it's wrong and others know better. The people who do the tempting are the ones with the problems. Like tptb, fucked up maniacs the lot of em.

[titurel]

I agree. That's why i'm saying I don't believe there is going to be a 'messiah' that's going to come and 'save us'. I believe that what people label 'god' is already here and within us. Not some seperate deity that is watching over us and is going to 'return' and save us.
Christ in unison with God is going to remove the demonic other dimensional beings from having influence over earth at Armageddon because man cannot tackle the root of evil in the world on his own. God is only going to save those who help save themselves, which means that it's no good doing nothing and hoping that God or Christ will come and save you. God only helps those who help themselves and that means aligning ones will with God's and raising ones consciousness into Christ consciousness. God is only here within us if we let him in in the first place, but unfortunately, many willfully defy God and they have very little of God's will in their hearts.

[titurel]

Sorry, too much of Christian religion is based on PURE FAITH. In other words, no evidence.

The Christian God is the God of War, he even tells you so himself. I'm not bowing down to that ideology!

I've not yet read The God Delusion, just bought it, but I'm sure it will have more proof that God does NOT exist than God himself has given that he does.

Besides, what's the point of hiding from your creation then punishing them for not believing you exist when they can't find any evidence of you when they look?
God is a God of not only of love and forgiveness but also of Justice and if that means going to war with the Devil and his seed, then thank God for that. There is plenty of evidence to support what God has said but only those to hear and eyes to see can discern it and that means opening your heart to God. It's true that much of organsied religion is based on PURE FAITH but Christ did not want people to blindly follow dogma and doctine and neither did he want anyone to follow the Churches that are nothing less than Babylon the Great. Christ wanted us to understand and investigate in order that we can find out who we are. Finding out who we are does not involve swithching off the brain and accepting everything that one is taught. You have to test teachings and that means studying the hidden forces at work in our world and comparing the findings whith what Christ said, who acknowledged that reptilains were the rulers of this world. The Elite wish to create a godless world order but it will fail because those that inspire the elite will be powerless against God and his armies.

And, if God is all seeing and all powerfull, why let Satan reek havoc and reign?
Why does God tolerate evil and not intervene now? Jesus gave the answer in the parable of the harvest...

"The Kingdom of the heavens has become like a man that sowed fine seed in the field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and over sowed weeds in among the wheat, and left. When the blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also. So the slaves of the householder came up and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow fine seed in the field? How, then, does it come to have weeds?' They said to him, 'Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?' He said, 'No, that by no chance, while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season I will tell the reapers, first collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up, then go to gathering the wheat into my storehouse.' " - Matthew 13:24-30

Because mankind is on earth to evolve and mature, it would be too early to tell which individuals are going to develop into wheat and which are going to develop into weeds, until they come to fuller maturity, and the best time for that is at the harvest.

God, in his wisdom, before making any judgement, wants to see who, with their free will, will be faithful to him and who will turn against him. Like the weeds, the wicked ones will be caste aside and for the first time in recorded history, man will be able to mature unhindered by malevolent forces. When this harvest will come about, Jesus heeded us to look out for signs, and then we may know when the harvest is coming.

How Satan gained Free Will and Why Satan wasn't Destroyed in the very Beginning

Satan was only able to develop free will because he was so far away from the radiations of the Divine realm and the presence of God. Therefore, God was powerless to do anything immediate BUT Satan does not have control over the course of the earth and its progress back towards the intensitiy of the Divine radiations, from whence it originated. At a certain point, Satan will no longer be able to bear these intense radiations and, due to his lack of knowledge, he will be held back, while earth unites with the New Jerusalem.