View Full Version : Harry: I'm not afraid to die in Iraq
auron
16-05-2007, 08:32 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=450707&in_page_id=1770
Me thinks something is going to happen to this poor guy.
But they're not letting him go now, are they. I knew he wouldn't be allowed 'to serve', same as the other male royals. So whats the bloody point of sending them to Sandhurst et al in the first place; all for show & to give them 'something to do', I suppose.
This guy is brainwashed!!! It just doesn't make sense!!! When is the next major sacrificial date, can anybory tell us
11kushna11
17-05-2007, 10:26 AM
Well the official line is that he's not going any more...
...but don't be surprised if we don't hear much of his presence in the UK for a while, it seems like a double bluff to me to try and dampen the media hyperbole surrounding his assignment. Years of training and military brainwashing at Sandhurst... it wouldn't have happened unless he was going to go through with it. But he stands a better chance of survival if he goes out annoynmously.
Don't be surprised if he doesn't actually die guys, it's too obvious an agenda and the 'powers that be' like to keep us guessing. I'd keep an eye on William instead.
truthseeker1980
17-05-2007, 01:04 PM
Last night i thought that maybe the reason they said he was going to go to Iraq was to wind up the insurgence and create even more attacks on british soldiers. April had the most attacks on british targets because of the media hype that Harry was going, so the agenda maybe to kill off more of our soldiers so they have to send more, thus eventually leading to compulsory military time for every Brit a certain age, within the next few years if the other plans of attacking Iran, Syria and North Korea kick off.
Well the official line is that he's not going any more...
...but don't be surprised if we don't hear much of his presence in the UK for a while, it seems like a double bluff to me to try and dampen the media hyperbole surrounding his assignment. Years of training and military brainwashing at Sandhurst... it wouldn't have happened unless he was going to go through with it. But he stands a better chance of survival if he goes out annoynmously.
Don't be surprised if he doesn't actually die guys, it's too obvious an agenda and the 'powers that be' like to keep us guessing. I'd keep an eye on William instead.
You have a point there
chandrakavi
24-07-2007, 06:09 AM
Well he finally was "not allowed" to go to Iraq.
The whole purpose is to build a stronger image of Harry in the future.
The whole think of him WANTING TO GO TO WAR, is already in the press,
so in 20 or 30 years later he will be able to tell people he did go to war, and not read the small part that says he didn't go. And people will have forgotten.
Just as there is CHARACTER ASSASINATION, there is also the opposite
a kind of CHARACTER BUILD UP, to make him look corageous
in the eyes of people. It's "for the future political files":rolleyes:
We still need to see a politician or the son of one to really go to a war,
the politicians have started, they never have, and most probably never will.
But this is good propaganda, coverd by all the media of Harry as a corageous man.
But finally was not allowed to die in a "useless war" they started.
_invisibleplane_
24-07-2007, 06:46 AM
anti christ anyone? part of the bloodline..AC is supposed to be resurrected (gets badly injured in Iraq, heals?)..he has part ownership of an insane amount of things in the world..he's the type of image the people may support with his 'environmental consciousness' and 'courage'..I think it will be interesting to see what develops with him
auron
24-07-2007, 06:57 AM
I reckon Bono is the Anti-Christ.
dana2801
24-07-2007, 07:36 AM
Me thinks something is going to happen to this poor guy.
I could'nt agree more :-(
I've thought for some time that Harry is the obvious choice and the most expendable.. What better way to hype up the world against 'terrorists' than to have Dianas baby killed.
There has always been a question mark as to his true parentage, what better way to kill two birds with one stone :-(
dana2801
24-07-2007, 07:40 AM
I knew he wouldn't be allowed 'to serve', same as the other male royals.
Not quite .. Prince Andrew did active time in the war zone during the Falklands War .. guess they allowed it, as Charles had produced the heir and the spare by then..
Well he finally was "not allowed" to go to Iraq.
The whole purpose is to build a stronger image of Harry in the future.
The whole think of him WANTING TO GO TO WAR, is already in the press,
so in 20 or 30 years later he will be able to tell people he did go to war, and not read the small part that says he didn't go. And people will have forgotten.
Just as there is CHARACTER ASSASINATION, there is also the opposite
a kind of CHARACTER BUILD UP, to make him look corageous
in the eyes of people. It's "for the future political files":rolleyes:
We still need to see a politician or the son of one to really go to a war,
the politicians have started, they never have, and most probably never will.
But this is good propaganda, coverd by all the media of Harry as a corageous man.
But finally was not allowed to die in a "useless war" they started.
I agree with what you say but would also like to add the army is in crisis because of the amount of deserters disillusioned with Iraq, older soldiers leaving in droves and younger men not joining up, Harry was a PR stunt to get people to enlist. There were lots of stories of mainly Harry falling out of nightclubs in a drunken stupor followed by Harry goes to war propaganda. I saw through the lot of it, Harry was never going to war, the nightclub thing was all about making young men identify with and aspire to the young Prince and follow in his trendy, patriotic and brave footsteps. It was all so staged. I was listening to all the talk radio shows at the time and not one person came on to expose the obvious. I couldn't believe the general public thought for one minute that the third in line to the throne would be put in jeopardy, idiots.
chandrakavi
26-07-2007, 06:17 AM
I agree with what you say but would also like to add the army is in crisis because of the amount of deserters disillusioned with Iraq, older soldiers leaving in droves and younger men not joining up, Harry was a PR stunt to get people to enlist. There were lots of stories of mainly Harry falling out of nightclubs in a drunken stupor followed by Harry goes to war propaganda. I saw through the lot of it, Harry was never going to war, the nightclub thing was all about making young men identify with and aspire to the young Prince and follow in his trendy, patriotic and brave footsteps. It was all so staged. I was listening to all the talk radio shows at the time and not one person came on to expose the obvious. I couldn't believe the general public thought for one minute that the third in line to the throne would be put in jeopardy, idiots.
Interesting, you've got a point there.
ngawaka19
05-08-2007, 06:36 AM
Awesome link auron thanks. Taken me a while to see this, good stuff.
I bet Harry was furious to find out he wasn't allowed to go. Who knows, it could be a ploy to throw the media off the trail, while they sneek him in the back door.
Chandrakari, I reckon that Harry was deadly serious about going. If you look at his behaviour over the last 5 years, he's slightly unruly, a rebel in a sense, a pot smoking, natzi uniform wearing, aborigine artist, that spills out onto the night sidewalk trolleyed. He's got that type of carelessness that rings tru of someone with a wounded heart. On this link it says that this inquest has re visited some painful memories for the 2 Prince's. How could any of us imagine what it would be like to be under this type of pressure. The eagle media eye, re-living the pain of their beloveds death, but more so, not being able to let her rest in peace, and the on going agony involved in having to deal with it splashed across the papers and the tv, day after day. And within the walls of the Palace, I bet they look at their grandfather sideways, as well as their father? Just imagine the anger the betrayal, the grief, isolation, loneliness, confusion. Man I reckon Harry was hardcore serious about going and fighting with a vengeance, and I believe him when he says he's not afraid of dying, it almost echos 'death wish'. It came to mind, that he does have Diana's blood line, therefore he's got the guts of a true royal, the honor, valour, he is Diana's son.
What a journey those boys have to travel.
Someone asked the question on this thread, does anyone know the next sacrifice date...............is there a calender of predictions to do with the royals could anyone help, is this accessible knowledge if anyone knows, id much appreciate being thrown towards a path to seek and find.
Just quietly, I've got a feeling its gona be Harry that's king. I don't have an explanation, or an argument. Gut feeling really.
love and light auron
ngawaka19
I bet Harry was furious to find out he wasn't allowed to go.
How very tabloid. You should work for The Sun, they like people like you.
ngawaka19
06-08-2007, 11:10 AM
How very tabloid. You should work for The Sun, they like people like you.
I love sarcasim, thanks kooo. Why do you feel Prince Harry is some kind of coward? Have you an inside knowledge somehow? Is your disdain because you don't beleive in the monarchy or because you just don't like Harry?
I always try to look at the the orbit space around any particular topic when coming to an understanding. One of the things I never forget about the 2 Princes is thier mother. Whom to me is not just a true blood line royal but a dedicated saviour of the underpriviledged. Which tells me she was a courageous person, bearing in mind who she was married to, the family of that husband and the house she was living in. So i'd like to think that Harry has some of this courage. I don't think that saying he would of been furious is far from the truth. It would of come from a heart felt place, not a false wana be place, I'm pretty sure. I hope anyway.
Just one question, quote: "people like me",unquote. What kind of person am I kooo?
When I say people like you I meant that everything you have said sounds like it's been repeated from a red top tabloid – it's regurgitated propaganda. Anyway, if you read my post you will know my views on the matter. I don't get how you believe because Harry lost his mother he would be seeking bloody revenge on innocent women and children, if that were the case he'd do in Camilla and Prince Phillip. Harry will never be King. You're not from England are you?
ngawaka19
06-08-2007, 01:11 PM
When I say people like you I meant that everything you have said sounds like it's been repeated from a red top tabloid – it's regurgitated propaganda. Anyway, if you read my post you will know my views on the matter. I don't get how you believe because Harry lost his mother he would be seeking bloody revenge on innocent women and children, if that were the case he'd do in Camilla and Prince Phillip. Harry will never be King. You're not from England are you?
I don't recall ever saying that Harry was going over there to slaughter the innocent. And I don't recall saying that Harry was hellbent to get there because he lost his mother. What I thought I was hi lighting was the circumstances behind the death of his mother, yes losing the mother in anyone's life is enough, but for it to be drenched in a possible premeditated assassination by his father and grandfather, the eagle eye of the media and public creating huge pressure would be enough for any young man to reel with reactionary behaviour.
why do you say harry will never be king? and with such candor.
I wasn't born in England, no, England came to my land and killed, raped and stole from my people. And now are standing in power that which was not given to them but that which they have taken, which my people will continue to fight till there is no more of us. I do believe that England was notorious for colonising smaller country's and assuming their ideology by force on the innocent and indigenous. I'm assuming you are from England. I do believe one of my fore mothers had some English blood, nothing I'm proud of. I thought that with Diana there was hope within England. She is someone whom I respect. And where I come from that means mana, and because she had mana, all of her children would carry the same, which means respecting them as well.
I would like to read your post is it on this thread?
Just for the record maybe you should read my post again as I think you used my positive comments to project your negative thoughts and emotion towards the topic. Nothing worse than a falsely claimed or accused quote, because of someones inability to project personals. Just own up man. I think its called narcissism, unable to be non bias.
Maybe I should apply for a job on the Sun, better to have someone like me than some robot.
ngawaka19
06-08-2007, 01:19 PM
I agree with what you say but would also like to add the army is in crisis because of the amount of deserters disillusioned with Iraq, older soldiers leaving in droves and younger men not joining up, Harry was a PR stunt to get people to enlist. There were lots of stories of mainly Harry falling out of nightclubs in a drunken stupor followed by Harry goes to war propaganda. I saw through the lot of it, Harry was never going to war, the nightclub thing was all about making young men identify with and aspire to the young Prince and follow in his trendy, patriotic and brave footsteps. It was all so staged. I was listening to all the talk radio shows at the time and not one person came on to expose the obvious. I couldn't believe the general public thought for one minute that the third in line to the throne would be put in jeopardy, idiots.
I'm wondering koo is this the post you meant?
if so, its interesting about the deserters, i'm glad. When you read things like this, it kinda takes you right there and gives you a partial insight to the disillusion of war. Of course there are going to be deserters, and damn right. Interesting that the older ones are deserting.
But is there evidence to say that Harry was a ploy to get other soldiers to join? And if this is true, do you think that Harry knew these types of set ups were going on? It would truely piss me off if he does know of this type of thing. I would of assumed he would try to aspire to the doings of his mother.
Diana was a member of the very aristocracy that raped and pillaged your country and so are William and Harry. Please do read my post just scroll up and you'll see it. I never projected any negativity onto you I'm sorry if that's how you perceived it. I will say though, that you projected negativity onto me by assuming I didn't like Harry and I somehow thought he was a coward, I never said those things. Also, what do you think war is? Do you think bombs know the difference between men women and children? Harry was a PR stunt, they send the working classes to their deaths on the front line, very rarely do they send their own.
ngawaka19
06-08-2007, 01:27 PM
Diana was a member of the very aristocracy that raped and pillaged your country and so are William and Harry. Please do read my post just scroll up and you'll see it. I never projected any negativity onto you I'm sorry if that's how you perceived it. I will say though, that you projected negativity onto me by assuming I didn't like Harry and I somehow thought he was a coward, I never said those things. Also, what do you think war is? Do you think bombs know the difference between men women and children? Harry was a PR stunt, they send the working classes to their deaths on the front line, very rarely do they send their own.
thanks kooo
your right, war is a terrible thing..........how dare I glamorize it. very sorry. learning about my own bullshit again. bummed out now.
ngawaka
I'm wondering koo is this the post you meant?
if so, its interesting about the deserters, i'm glad. When you read things like this, it kinda takes you right there and gives you a partial insight to the disillusion of war. Of course there are going to be deserters, and damn right. Interesting that the older ones are deserting.
But is there evidence to say that Harry was a ploy to get other soldiers to join? And if this is true, do you think that Harry knew these types of set ups were going on? It would truely piss me off if he does know of this type of thing. I would of assumed he would try to aspire to the doings of his mother.
Yes that was my post. As far as I know most of the older soldiers are leaving because of retirement and not many young men are joining up, there are lots of army advertisements on TV, they are crying out for new blood. I don't know the figures but more and more men are deserting because they are disillusioned with the war, most are fed up of being there for months on end and just want to get back to their families.
I don't understand why you think Diana was so brave and courageous, she lived a privileged life, I think the average person on the street is far more worthy of admiration as they struggle daily to make ends meet and survive without the pomp and ceremony and limitless bank accounts. She wore the finest clothes and ate the finest foods, we can all be unhappy but I'd rather be unhappy and rich than unhappy with no food in the fridge. I'm not anti Diana, I liked her a lot and I like William and Harry too but draw the line at awarding them the monopoly on pain. Pain is one thing, pain combined with poverty is a double blow, life is tougher for these people.
ngawaka19
10-08-2007, 08:09 AM
Yes that was my post. As far as I know most of the older soldiers are leaving because of retirement and not many young men are joining up, there are lots of army advertisements on TV, they are crying out for new blood. I don't know the figures but more and more men are deserting because they are disillusioned with the war, most are fed up of being there for months on end and just want to get back to their families.
I don't understand why you think Diana was so brave and courageous, she lived a privileged life, I think the average person on the street is far more worthy of admiration as they struggle daily to make ends meet and survive without the pomp and ceremony and limitless bank accounts. She wore the finest clothes and ate the finest foods, we can all be unhappy but I'd rather be unhappy and rich than unhappy with no food in the fridge. I'm not anti Diana, I liked her a lot and I like William and Harry too but draw the line at awarding them the monopoly on pain. Pain is one thing, pain combined with poverty is a double blow, life is tougher for these people.
stumbled across this..........obviously you suffer from poverty consciousness. Gotta get out of that, maybe think abundance.? I was more concerned with my ridiculousness about war and how I overlooked the hideousness of it, to have a hero story for the sun. But you seemed to have focused on the fact that Di had more than any one that was poor, so therefore this eliminates her from the freedom to have pain in her life club. Or that her pain is less cause she's rich. Thats a crok. glad people like you aren't leading the way, we'd all be communists. Infact I'm sick of people like you, moaning poms, your cups always half empty.