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Seems the govt is guaranteeing to spazz as much cash as the banks want, 50bn straigh from the tax payer the rest borrowed and the interest passed to the tax payer.
This is fucked...I am anti civil disobedience....but I'm pretty pissed.
EDIT:
Possible solution:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38249
Completely legal and no one gets hurt.
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 12:14 AM
damn right, but what action would be effective?
duckingdafta
08-10-2008, 12:17 AM
I find it a little strange they have to leave it until tomorrow to tell you what has happened tonight, except if they need to get away for some reason. Also no-one is giving an interview I heard on Sky, they said it would be a typed report.. again if correct a little dodgy.
whiterain
08-10-2008, 12:17 AM
educating others, all money out of banks, self sufficiency and barter are all i got to offer right now in terms of solutions
I don't know...a march on no 11 demanding the banks are allowed to fail. Me and you in the rain won't do much.
Anyone know how to hack TV stations and broadcast the truth?
lupus
08-10-2008, 12:19 AM
how can you be so pro free market and anti civil disobedience? the government are stealing our money and pissing it up the wall but we should just go along with system?
educating others, all money out of banks, self sufficiency and barter are all i got to offer right now in terms of solutions
I educated my family, they didn't seem to care.
My mum asked if she should take her money out the bank, then said...."I don't want to be the one causing the problem"
duckingdafta
08-10-2008, 12:19 AM
This is fucked...I am anti civil disobedience....but I'm pretty pissed.
you have to admit... whether a conspiracy theorist or not (I am)... It does seem this is the intention.... to create some street anarchy to call in the army
whiterain
08-10-2008, 12:19 AM
get a job as a broadcast technician and then lose it very quickly i guess.
im willing, not sure how able tho ;)
how can you be so pro free market and anti civil disobedience? the government are stealing our money and pissing it up the wall but we should just go along with system?
Because you will clash with some policeman/woman whos only crime is ignorance. They are a human being to and deserve their dignity.
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 12:20 AM
has anyone else considered becoming a freeman on the land? i thought zeitgeist 2 was going to suggest it, seems like the best option i've come across....
duckingdafta
08-10-2008, 12:22 AM
get a job as a broadcast technician and then lose it very quickly i guess.
im willing, not sure how able tho ;)
plenty radio stations take on reporters and broadcasters if voluntary ..even offer training too
Not pay income tax? Some of that does go to public services :-/
h2pogo
08-10-2008, 12:22 AM
damn right, but what action would be effective?
how about we go down the local police station and report a case of fraud?
whiterain
08-10-2008, 12:23 AM
I educated my family, they didn't seem to care.
My mum asked if she should take her money out the bank, then said...."I don't want to be the one causing the problem"
dont worry everyone will care soon enough.
just keep leting people know whats going on, then when something clicks inside them they will remember who educated them and come to you for asistance. i guess you culd try explaining to your mum that how they use our money to create wealth for themselves and render ours worthless is their only real power over us. some people just wont listen tho so dont beat yourself up over it
tyler
08-10-2008, 12:23 AM
1694 is against civil disobedience! Why? It worked in Albania and a few other backward countries why not here?
If the two million who marched against the war in iraq had stayed on the streets outside parliament there would not be al lot the police could have done. The city could be blockaded and closed down if everyone united and just camped out in the streets and refused to follow orders.
h2pogo
08-10-2008, 12:23 AM
has anyone else considered becoming a freeman on the land? i thought zeitgeist 2 was going to suggest it, seems like the best option i've come across....
yes i am going to make it official soon.
http://www.tpuc.org
duckingdafta
08-10-2008, 12:26 AM
2 pages and we've already talked V for Vendetta with broadcasting and marching in mass... why not if it works?
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 12:26 AM
am researching this week and looking out for success stories...
surely once people see the benefits they will begin to follow suit....? soon there would be nobody left to govern!
1694 is against civil disobedience! Why? It worked in Albania and a few other backward countries why not here?
If the two million who marched against the war in iraq had stayed on the streets outside parliament there would not be al lot the police could have done. The city could be blockaded and closed down if everyone united and just camped out in the streets and refused to follow orders.
Ah, I have mixed my phrases, I don't agree with basic breaking of common laws in general. Harm of others, or their property.
Lawfull excuse though...still goes against my moral conscience.
Massive non violant protest game on.
So far we have less than 10 for our march.
whiterain
08-10-2008, 12:28 AM
Because you will clash with some policeman/woman whos only crime is ignorance. They are a human being to and deserve their dignity.
civil disobedince does not necessarily mean rioting, which i am against in all forms. it means coordinated attempts to break ludicrous laws in large numbers in order that they have no choice but to resind the laws ie poll tax
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 12:29 AM
IF it works, we all know how heavy handed they can get, physically or legally...
zarah
08-10-2008, 12:29 AM
There must be some organised opposition to this..anyone checked out anything? I dont have work tomorrow Ill go and have a google gander..
There must be some organised opposition to this..anyone checked out anything? I dont have work tomorrow Ill go and have a google gander..
You might find we are the organised opposition. :eek:
duckingdafta
08-10-2008, 12:33 AM
wouldn't matter if it is truly peaceful. it gets a message across and no-one on any forum has to agree with each other to know we've all been fucked at one level of another by the same none elected government.
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 12:33 AM
start with the freeman movement. if we aren't bound by their laws we are empowered to change. whoever said "fuck the system" got it wrong, they meant "fuck up the system" and thats not as easy as simply leaving it behind...
zarah
08-10-2008, 12:36 AM
You might find we are the organised opposition. :eek:
Think you might be right ;p
I cant really find anything..even had a look on Socialist Worker website (shudder) but apart from a breakdown of why the gov had to bail out the banks and links to donate money there wasn't much.
Do we have any public access media in this country?
Take out an ad in a national newspaper....would the allow it?
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 12:43 AM
guess who owns the newspapers? would dave tv handle it?
guess who owns the newspapers? would dave tv handle it?
are all newpapers "suppressed" or has it been so long that the people who work there just don't know.
h2pogo
08-10-2008, 12:45 AM
You might find we are the organised opposition. :eek:
hate to sound negative but if that is correct were fucked.
start with the freeman movement. if we aren't bound by their laws we are empowered to change. whoever said "fuck the system" got it wrong, they meant "fuck up the system" and thats not as easy as simply leaving it behind...
this freeman movement is the way forward.
common law is on our side.
Ian2day
08-10-2008, 12:45 AM
The system will not be overcome while people can still get a pizza delivered and watch SKY or look for pron. Sometimes it takes an individual to make the stand. Instead of looking for or rallying for others to join with them. I don't know what the solution is. I have been looking at broadcast equipment on ebay lately though...
lupus
08-10-2008, 12:47 AM
how about we put adverts in our local papers?
tyler
08-10-2008, 12:52 AM
Well go on then, do it. Let us know what paper you have put them in so we can all have a look!
Get back to us when you have done it.
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 12:53 AM
even the york evening press edits nwo references from their publications...
once people begin to see a new society getting all the same benefits as the sheeple, but without the restrictions and crappy standards imposed upon them, they will want a piece of it... i know i do!
checkmate
08-10-2008, 12:54 AM
No comment on the 100 bn that goes to the President as a discretionary fund in the bill? Now what's he going to do with 100 bn between now and January?
lupus
08-10-2008, 12:54 AM
:D I'm thinking I might, just not sure about the wording - "Do you believe 12 foot lizards are trying to control the destiny of humanity? if so lets meet up and organize resistance!"
h2pogo
08-10-2008, 12:58 AM
a march on the 5th november anybody
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 12:58 AM
can anyone with any kind of legal resource check....
would there be any way to stop us from a mass rejection of governmental control by getting large amounts of people to serve a unified notice of understanding and intent at once. (i.e. the first step towards becoming a freeman)
if xmillion people renounced government at once, that would raise a certain amount of awareness!
Local news papers might be the way foreward. I will report back.
Tyler: I appreciate your point, but this forum is a good sounding board and as you see has produced ideas. Now people can act.
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 01:05 AM
a sticker on a lamp post is probably more useful than a newspaper ad, but that makes your own community untidy...
maybe some sponsored sculptures / artworks/ park benches around your city would raise awareness among the more affluent and powerful?
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 01:05 AM
or is that just mad?
lupus
08-10-2008, 01:09 AM
we could organise around a peaceful protest for the 5th of November against the growing police state then take it from there - should boost awareness
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 01:15 AM
it's not that i think that a peacefull protest is bad or futile, just a slow and progressive move... people who are good at drumming up support should certainly consider doing so, i just think there should be a definite legal challenge or other more formal route being pursued at the same time.....
i think we've proved in less than five pages that we are greater in will than in number, and probably in relevant knowledge too... we need to recruit the knowledgeable, but how?
h2pogo
08-10-2008, 01:18 AM
it's not that i think that a peacefull protest is bad or futile, just a slow and progressive move... people who are good at drumming up support should certainly consider doing so, i just think there should be a definite legal challenge or other more formal route being pursued at the same time.....
i think we've proved in less than five pages that we are greater in will than in number, and probably in relevant knowledge too... we need to recruit the knowledgeable, but how?
hand out fliers out side universitys.
lupus
08-10-2008, 01:21 AM
the protest isnt to get the government to listen/change its ways it is to raise awareness and unity amongst the disparate members of a movement away from the corrupt system. Sitting here on the web will get us nowhere and is the ultimate in futility until we connect face to face in serious numbers
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 01:25 AM
further education sites should be good, so long as we're not seen as corrupting the youth or some shit....
could any business benefit from sponsoring events or media? maybe somebody who is nifty with websites could set up a local business networking site which promotes forward thinking local businesses? i have links to esoteric agenda and zeitgeist on my business website but nobody goes there for that reason...
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 01:31 AM
lupus - true... i, unfortunately , am a thinker, but by no means an effective do-er... i'm on here to plant seeds and hopefully encourage people to converse more proactively, hopefully going on to act on their own theories.
and we need people to support that as you just have!
but it's never lupus! hehe...
duckingdafta
08-10-2008, 01:31 AM
if there's any bands that sing about this or comedians that have similar theme and will put a free gig on that would be good (especially if around York area)
lupus
08-10-2008, 01:37 AM
i've been thinking about this sort of thing for the last 15 years or so, just watching it unfold. I'm starting to think now is the time for action because the police state is above ground for all to see. The NWO are starting to make what I feel I need to do look easier because their tactics are so blatant
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 02:21 AM
i only began to put the pieces together about a year ago, already i feel the need to act but have no prior experiences to measure the current climate against.
we need to treat this like a business - we need effective and efficient strategies and resources targeting clear and achievable goals.
would an annual conference / event be achievable? with a respectable, professionally run event to draw activists from around the country, we could invite established thinkers and theorists to lead forums and create strategies - like our own bilderberg convention(!) and hopefully gain genuine support for veterans and newbies alike?
this, however , is not my area... do we have any natural organisers on here?
simplify
08-10-2008, 02:41 AM
get a job as a broadcast technician and then lose it very quickly i guess.
im willing, not sure how able tho ;)
great idea, work from the inside out........infiltrate from within...who should we nominate.....:D:D:D:D
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 02:52 AM
sporty spice.
steevo
08-10-2008, 03:11 AM
I dont usually watch tv but last week I saw an ITV news report where the interviewer asked an "expert" how the American economy got into the state it's in in the first place and basically how we can stop it happening again and the "expert" said that we should not really go into that subject at this moment in time because ALL POLITICAL PARTIES are realising that they must ALL work together to repair the economy and not argue about what actually caused it!! :eek: Can you believe that ? :mad: Obviously I am not surprised by that REALLY because it's all a "movie" anyway. :rolleyes::cool:
But the point that I am trying to make is that the "expert" was basically saying that we dont need to know the CAUSE of the problem to be able to solve the problem, and that is bloody ridiculous.
Basic problem solving :-
1. There is a problem
2. Identify the cause of the problem
3. Eliminate the cause of the problem.
See a possible solution we can act on here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38249
largejack
08-10-2008, 10:00 AM
damn right, but what action would be effective?
Go on the dole so you don't have to pay tax to the bastards:D
antinwo
08-10-2008, 10:01 AM
Go on the dole so you don't have to pay tax to the bastards:D
Nice one:D
Or: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38249
christuffer
08-10-2008, 10:18 AM
Infuriating phone in currently on BBrainwashingC FiveLive. I'm trying to get through to expose this financial hoax on air. Hopefully some of you can also try to get some sense on air.
agneau
08-10-2008, 11:18 AM
Do you not think that allowing the Banks to fail will have a detrimental impact on more than just bankers? If you don't allow this rescue plan to go through, then the likely effects on all of us poor sods in ordinary jobs is far more costly than the additional tax bill.
Whereas I absolutely agree that the cause of the probelm and those responsible should be determined, I don't see that causing widespread losses to ordinary savers and massive unemployment is anything any of us want.
£50 billion works out at about £1600 per taxpayer - assuming it's all lost, which it won't be. I think most people would be happy to pay £1600 if it meant not losing their savings, jobs, futures - don't you?
con84t
08-10-2008, 02:35 PM
Are we missing the point of what is actually going on in the western world right now?
As most of us here are probably aware, money is created out of nothing by the banks as so elequently detailed in this newsletter article (http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/388/47/)
by David.
The central banks and their respective governments seem to have engineered a new way to make the population pay the banks usary (interest) without giving us the benefit of the principle (the loan amount), or you may consider it to be getting 2 lots of usary.
If you follow the logic, the central banks create some money and lend it to the governments to do with as they please. Then the government gives the money back to the central banks and says "here, have some money to keep our economy afloat, give it back to us when you can.". The central banks then give this money to their buddies the commercial banks, who then loan it out and then they get usary too.
Am I missing something out of the cycle or is that what seems to be happening now?
and justice for all
08-10-2008, 02:47 PM
Do you not think that allowing the Banks to fail will have a detrimental impact on more than just bankers? If you don't allow this rescue plan to go through, then the likely effects on all of us poor sods in ordinary jobs is far more costly than the additional tax bill [...]
You are out of your mind.
[...] £50 billion works out at about £1600 per taxpayer - assuming it's all lost, which it won't be. I think most people would be happy to pay £1600 if it meant not losing their savings, jobs, futures - don't you?
Yeah, £1600 ON TOP of what (!?) 50% you’re already paying in taxes? All because of the scare of job loss...
How about just handing over your wage to the state and work for free... because that’s what they’re aiming for.
Do you not think that allowing the Banks to fail will have a detrimental impact on more than just bankers? If you don't allow this rescue plan to go through, then the likely effects on all of us poor sods in ordinary jobs is far more costly than the additional tax bill.
Whereas I absolutely agree that the cause of the probelm and those responsible should be determined, I don't see that causing widespread losses to ordinary savers and massive unemployment is anything any of us want.
£50 billion works out at about £1600 per taxpayer - assuming it's all lost, which it won't be. I think most people would be happy to pay £1600 if it meant not losing their savings, jobs, futures - don't you?
See: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38249
steevo
08-10-2008, 02:55 PM
No chem-trails in the sky so it's nice and sunny on "bailout" day, just a concidence ???. Also the Bank of England has cut interest rates 0.5% and the banks are passing it on to the customers. Wow thats fantastic! What a great day it is today :rolleyes::cool::mad:
tyler
08-10-2008, 03:30 PM
Yes, they have given us a sunny day to keep our spirits up for now. What's next on their evil agenda once they have done robbing us?
agneau
08-10-2008, 03:36 PM
..they've given us a sunny day? Whose they?
As most of us here are probably aware, money is created out of nothing by the banks I'm certainly not aware of that - absolute nonsense. If you start making money out of thin air you end up with hyper-inflation in two seonds flat, and that's not what's happening here.
See: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38249 Yes, I did read that earlier and I think you were corrected on a couple of vital points to your somewhat naive argument quite early in that thread.
..they've given us a sunny day? Whose they?
I'm certainly not aware of that - absolute nonsense. If you start making money out of thin air you end up with hyper-inflation in two seonds flat, and that's not what's happening here.
They do and we are. They do actually create 9 times the money you deposit. It is called fractional reserve
Yes, I did read that earlier and I think you were corrected on a couple of vital points to your somewhat naive argument quite early in that thread.
Google video "Money as debt" 40 mins, quite an eye opener.
danster82
08-10-2008, 03:54 PM
Does anyone know a timescale for when this filters through and we see hyper inflated prices on the street?
Bottom line is to cover this huge amount of debt tax would have to increase some huge amount which people couldnt pay anyway... thats why we can only expect a total collapse unless there is some way to simply default and wipe the debt,
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 04:06 PM
Go on the dole so you don't have to pay tax to the bastards:D
already gone self employed and made sure not to exceed my tax liability! why work 2 days a week to pay tax? i take 4 days off instead, have slightly less cash but over double the free time to use it more wisely..... works well for me!
is anyone terrified of anything other than our present government and financial structures?
and is agneau not french for lamb? is a lamb not a sheep? very appropriate name choice....
ownedtbh
08-10-2008, 04:16 PM
I'm certainly not aware of that - absolute nonsense. If you start making money out of thin air you end up with hyper-inflation in two seonds flat, and that's not what's happening here.
aint people on this forum ment to have some kind of awareness?
obviously not
and justice for all
08-10-2008, 04:28 PM
aint people on this forum ment to have some kind of awareness?
obviously not
Obviously new and absolutely clueless.
It’s a good reminder of what we’re up against though...
pdcdp
08-10-2008, 04:38 PM
disinfo more like....
and justice for all
08-10-2008, 04:42 PM
You think?
If that’s the case then all the sheep out there are really desinfo agents on the pay roll...
...I’m just humoring you.
You might be right.
drhemp
08-10-2008, 04:47 PM
This is fucked...I am anti civil disobedience....but I'm pretty pissed.
I'm pro civil disobedience! We all have a moral obligation to not be obedient to this evil Government.
duckingdafta
08-10-2008, 04:52 PM
I think what seems like a lot of new members looking like disinfo agents may be confused with those usually very strong willed (seemingly right wing) and now just a little panicky and reacting in anger. If any sites members can cope with this then This has to be one of them as being freethinkers and truthseekers. It is hard to interact with some here as the current topic has been talked about for years so seems like we're 'repeaters' by having to do it all again with info many already learnt. This works both ways, plenty of new member professionals have joined that do genuinely seem to know admiralty laws and money markets which does help clarify things for thick gets like myself.