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december
15-05-2007, 06:59 PM
Why Americans don't protest hight gas prices?

In some american cities it's getting close to $3.70 per gallon... and NOBODY is protesting!

Nobody!

Yes, Americans do complain about it, but that's about it. Many people actually work two jobs to pay the bills... and they still DO NOTHING about these gas prices...

What's wrong with them? :mad:

Are they just afraid to go out and protest?

winstonsmith
15-05-2007, 07:09 PM
Try living in England then. Over here it's the equivalent of over $7 on average per gallon (US)...

december
15-05-2007, 07:21 PM
Try living in England then. Over here it's the equivalent of over $7 on average per gallon (US)...

I think you get used to it...
You see, just couple WEEKS ago the price of a gallon was around $2.50.

Americans DO bitch about it, but they don't do ANYTHING about it. Americans bitch about many things but at the same time they do NOT protest.

I think Bush & Co. know that and that's why they get away with their crimes....

It seems to me that those who Icke calls the Illuminati know that no matter how many books will be published about 911, and how many people visit www.rense.com people still will do NOTHING...

Nothing!

cleft_asunder
15-05-2007, 09:07 PM
I agree with you November, American's complain but they do nothing. Why? I don't know, I guess it's because the system is so established that people feel powerless, and when they do wan't to rebel, in what form should they? What effective action can you really take? Does protesting actually work?

freespark
15-05-2007, 09:10 PM
It's unAmerican to protest. After all thier government has done in the name of peace and democracy it would be a bit of a cheek to protest againsed them for a measly Dollar twenty! ;)

Surely?

cleft_asunder
15-05-2007, 09:21 PM
I was thinking a little bit why people don't work together and stop the injustice, and it occured to me that the people in the States --where I live-- are disconnected from each other. For example, I'm Romanian and my family kisses each other and often times friends on the cheek. Europeans in general have this warm and loving quality in them that hasn't been supressed by the powers. They don't really have the "my familiy, your family. Me, you" selfishness that America has at it's core. In other words, Europeans want what's best for everyone, while Americans heavily focus on ME and MY family.

I live in a small town, and that loving quality I was talking about with the Europeans can be found in these people. They are family oriented and kind, but they still have this 'seperateness' at their core. The bigger the city, the more this seperatness is a part of the people. Remember, the Illuminati have been destroying family since the women's liberation movement (or before), and that is the point: to create the selfish seperation mentality. People in big cities are apathetic, independent, and unconcerned with others.

So my point is that, how can Americans get together and protest when they don't love each other? They don't even know what love is. They are seperate, materialistic, greedy, lack higher morality, and are scared. How can these people get together for any cause? Even after September 11th, there wasn't a real feeling of togetherness. On the outside, it appeared that we were one nation; one family, but on the inside the disconnection never changed.

So to conclude, American's don't like or love each other. They don't even know their neighbors, and you expect people to get into protests?

winstonsmith
15-05-2007, 09:24 PM
It's not just Americans that complain about things but do nothing to change them. It's the same in England.

As far as action is concerned, the only real hope I see in doing anything to change things is to first of all educate the masses as to what's really going on, then we need to learn to abandon all of the petty differences that keep us atomised and finally we need to unite as one against our common enemy. Obviously the powers that be realise that this is our only hope in defeating them, hence why so much effort is put into keeping us divided, distracted and isolated...

edro9494
16-05-2007, 02:05 AM
We Americans, are conditioned and brainwashed to believe we are free. This is why we don't do anything. Because we are conditioned to not do so. We are hypnotized to believe everything is ok when the ship is really sinking with a gaping hole in the bow. Belief creates reality.

People don't learn the truth about anything anymore because they are caught in the illusory game "life." Don't have time to read, pal, I live in the REAL world. Gotta go earn my green paper with numbers on it cause TV says its important.

"Who cares who owns the media, banks, and political system? We're free here in America, buddy! The TV says so! You don't like it, you can get the hell out. Look at me, Im American. I do what the government wants me to because that is patriotic! Don't talk to me about all that Constitution or Bill o'Rights crap."

This is the perfect example of the American psyche. How do you control a population, you ask? Get them to believe they are actually free and in control. Its basic Psychology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus Christ, I don't know whether to cry or scream in a rage after touching upon this subject. I am ashamed to admit that I used to be one of these people! Look around, these walking robotic idiots are everywhere. You should sit in a political science class at a local university and hear some of these people speak. I am ashamed of my peers, but I know they have good and misguided minds.

I vote we throw our oppressors off of us BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. GO READ SOME JEFFERSON AND MALCOLM X, THE COCKTAIL OF TRUTH. TO HELL WITH THE ROTHSCHILDS!

king
16-05-2007, 06:19 AM
We Americans, are conditioned and brainwashed to believe we are free. This is why we don't do anything. Because we are conditioned to not do so. We are hypnotized to believe everything is ok when the ship is really sinking with a gaping hole in the bow. Belief creates reality.

People don't learn the truth about anything anymore because they are caught in the illusory game "life." Don't have time to read, pal, I live in the REAL world. Gotta go earn my green paper with numbers on it cause TV says its important.

"Who cares who owns the media, banks, and political system? We're free here in America, buddy! The TV says so! You don't like it, you can get the hell out. Look at me, Im American. I do what the government wants me to because that is patriotic! Don't talk to me about all that Constitution or Bill o'Rights crap."

This is the perfect example of the American psyche. How do you control a population, you ask? Get them to believe they are actually free and in control. Its basic Psychology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus Christ, I don't know whether to cry or scream in a rage after touching upon this subject. I am ashamed to admit that I used to be one of these people! Look around, these walking robotic idiots are everywhere. You should sit in a political science class at a local university and hear some of these people speak. I am ashamed of my peers, but I know they have good and misguided minds.

I vote we throw our oppressors off of us BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. GO READ SOME JEFFERSON AND MALCOLM X, THE COCKTAIL OF TRUTH. TO HELL WITH THE ROTHSCHILDS!

very eloquently put! how true.

why should you be ashamed that you broke through their mind control, you should be happy that you did so?!
because we all were born into a mind prison, most difficult prison to break
out from.

yes, it is all psychology, true psychology that is not taught in schools, that same psychology is used against humanity.

I love your remark that "you are ashamed.." because that expresses a normal, healthy person who truly loves the freedom, who not only loves his immediate family but who loves his extended family - humanity.

compare that so selfish, cold blooded manipulators, embraces of vile and
poignant; just look at them manipulators -- they are throwing all shit at us, from propaganda (that ain't working as it used to) to chemtrails, HAARP/ELF and omnipresent cell towers.

look at them pathetic fuckers, that insane minority. How can they win?!
they CANNOT.
i know that one of these days fuckers will push little too hard and all of their
cold calculations will not help them much when angry mob figures it all out, who is their real oppressor.

so, we need to keep planting the seeds in minds of the people, chances are -- the seeds will eventually bear fruits.
I think that is why many of are here at this time in fully awakened state.

I am thankful that there are people like you in this country where everyone is asleep. It is nice to know that you are not the only one who can see what should be obvious to all.

pollock
16-05-2007, 07:55 AM
It's not just Americans that complain about things but do nothing to change them. It's the same in England.




Seems to be the biggest curse in the west these days, blah blah blah blah!

F

auron
16-05-2007, 09:09 AM
Oil, gas etc, is bullshit! One day in a more enlightened world, we will all be utilizing the free energy systems that Nikola Tesla came up with over a 100 years ago.

Free Energy - Nikola Tesla - Master Of Imagination.pdf (http://www.badongo.net/file/2727009)

:)

december
16-05-2007, 07:29 PM
I agree with you November, American's complain but they do nothing. Why? I don't know...

I think it's because there is no such nation as "Americans", therefore they don't see America as their own land.
And by the way, who are they so-called Americans TODAY?
Are they Whites, Blacks, Asians?...

All these so-called Americans live to pay bills and "save for retirement", as they say...

The US citizens will run away from that country as soon as things get really tough and ugly one day.

So, basically there is NO patriotism in America.


I guess it's because the system is so established that people feel powerless, and when they do wan't to rebel, in what form should they?

In many countries people feel powerless too untill they say It's Enough! and then go out on the streets to storm a government building.




What effective action can you really take? Does protesting actually work?

Are you serious?
Have you ever heard of US sponsored Orange Revolution in Ukraine?

http://www.cap-lmu.de/images/2004/2004_ukraine_12_400.jpg


Published on Sunday, December 19, 2004 by the San Francisco Chronicle

U.S. Poured Millions into Ukraine, But State Dept. Denies Trying to Influence Vote

by Anna Badkhen

To hear officials in Washington tell it, the Bush administration was merely trying to support the burgeoning civil society in Ukraine when it funneled $57.8 million to the former Soviet republic over the last two years.

But the governments in Kiev and Moscow, using classic Cold War terms, have lambasted the United States for spending millions of dollars to influence Ukraine's presidential elections.

The complicated truth, analysts say, is that in Ukraine, where civil society has eroded over the last decade under the quasi-authoritarian, corrupt government of outgoing President Leonid Kuchma, the fine line between promoting democracy and meddling in the country's internal affairs often becomes blurred.

A number of U.S. government-sponsored and private organizations -- among them, the National Democratic Institute, Freedom House and U.S. Agency for International Development -- spent millions of American taxpayers' dollars to aid Ukrainian groups that eventually helped bring about the Orange Revolution.

Thousands of protesters poured into the streets, leading to overturning suspect results favoring Ukraine's pro-Kremlin government candidate Viktor Yanukovych over Viktor Yushchenko, who was backed by the pro- Western opposition.

"Our candidate is the Ukrainian people, and we're supporting their right to a free and fair vote," said one State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity. The State Department spends about $1 billion a year to support pro-democracy activities worldwide.

Anatol Lieven, an expert on the former Soviet Union at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, says the donor organizations got caught up in the rift between those in Ukraine who staunchly support the country's increasingly authoritarian government and those who want the nation of 49 million people to become a Western-style democracy -- and are, by default, associated with the opposition.

READ MORE -

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1219-23.htm

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wheresmyparachute
17-05-2007, 01:57 AM
Its not just gas prices that americans are complacent about. People---especially in the USA, are not addressing the issues in general. The economy is challenging for so many people that it distracts people from having the time and focus to address important issues and take a stand. Distractions that are seen and unseen. There are so many freqencies flying through the air that people are completely unaware of the fact that they are getting bombarded. Cell phones are great for distraction. Have you noticed how customer service isn't exactly customer service? People are so distracted that many of them are completely non-present at their jobs. Back in the 60's people took a stand for what they felt was important, then what happened? I don't know but many people seem a bit detached from the world at large. I can't help but think that maybe we have been a bit hypnotised and dulled by something that we have been completely unaware of. Why not? It is possible isn't it? After all those... those... people in the 60's really stirred things up around here....

december
17-05-2007, 03:58 AM
Its not just gas prices that americans are complacent about. People---especially in the USA, are not addressing the issues in general. The economy is challenging for so many people that it distracts people from having the time and focus to address important issues and take a stand. Distractions that are seen and unseen. There are so many freqencies flying through the air that people are completely unaware of the fact that they are getting bombarded. Cell phones are great for distraction. Have you noticed how customer service isn't exactly customer service? People are so distracted that many of them are completely non-present at their jobs. Back in the 60's people took a stand for what they felt was important, then what happened? I don't know but many people seem a bit detached from the world at large. I can't help but think that maybe we have been a bit hypnotised and dulled by something that we have been completely unaware of. Why not? It is possible isn't it? After all those... those... people in the 60's really stirred things up around here....

Interesting thoughts, wheresmyparachute....

Do you think that Americans are simply not willing to sacrifice their ... well.... comfort I guess... (if it can be called comfort) to make changes in their country?

Patriotism is what drives the nation forward, but Americans don't have this feeling.

timestop24
17-05-2007, 04:20 AM
Interesting thoughts, wheresmyparachute....

Do you think that Americans are simply not willing to sacrifice their ... well.... comfort I guess... (if it can be called comfort) to make changes in their country?

Patriotism is what drives the nation forward, but Americans don't have this feeling.

You're dead wrong on that. Americans are extremely patriotic, especially in rural areas. Americans are just addicted to authority. There's a longing for it everywhere in American culture.

winstonsmith
17-05-2007, 01:15 PM
You're dead wrong on that. Americans are extremely patriotic, especially in rural areas. Americans are just addicted to authority. There's a longing for it everywhere in American culture.

The majority of American people nurture a grotesquely misguided idea of what it really means to be patriotic. Namely, that to so much as criticise the government or to question the official line on any particular subject makes one a traitor, a Communist or insane. On most of the American dominated forums I frequent, even mild criticism of authority or the government is often met with the 'If you don't like it here, you could always move to the Middle East' mentality. It seems to me that the vast majority of American people are so deeply ingrained with indoctrination that the very idea that their government might not have their best interests at heart is considered beyond ludicrous. True patriotism, in my opinion, would in fact embrace criticism of the government by the people. After all, under true democracy the whole purpose of the government in the first place is to represent the views, ideas and interests of the people...

bicycle
17-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Its a simple choice, if you dont like it dont own a car.

Dependancy = control.

december
17-05-2007, 09:36 PM
...It seems to me that the vast majority of American people are so deeply ingrained with indoctrination that the very idea that their government might not have their best interests at heart is considered beyond ludicrous. True patriotism, in my opinion, would in fact embrace criticism of the government by the people. After all, under true democracy the whole purpose of the government in the first place is to represent the views, ideas and interests of the people...

Americans express their fake patriotism on the bumper stickers which their like to stick to thier Japanese or European cars with the words like USA#1 or DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :)

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/f/get_a_brain_morans.jpg

Toyota outsells GM in a quarterly first
January-March figures have the Japanese firm on track to become the world's top automaker.
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_5743755

Daimler dumps Chrysler on Cerberus, taking loss to do so

Daimler pays to dump Chrysler

German automaker will end up actually paying $650 million to unload Chrysler to end its exposure to billions in ongoing losses, health care costs.
By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
May 14 2007: 3:39 PM EDT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- DaimlerChrysler moved to undo the most expensive and one of the least successful mergers in auto industry history Monday as it agreed to essentially pay to dump the money-losing Chrysler unit, which it paid $37 billion for nine years ago.

DaimlerChrysler (Charts) announced it will sell an 80 percent stake in its U.S. brand to Cerberus Capital Management, a private equity investment firm that will pay $7.4 billion.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/14/news/companies/chrysler_sale/index.htm?postversion=2007051406

Workers May Pay For Chrysler's Sale
Job Cuts Could Loom After Private Equity Firm Acquires 80.1 Percent Of Automaker For $7.4 Billion

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/14/business/main2796609.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_2796609



Toyota outsells GM for the first time

Toyota (TM) sold more cars and trucks around the world in the first quarter than General Motors (GM) did, pushing the perennially No. 1 automaker to second place for the first time, a stinging reminder of Toyota's rise and Detroit's skid.

It's mainly symbolic. GM remains No. 1, by far, in the USA. And its worldwide sales were a record 2.26 million in the quarter, up 3% from a year ago. Toyota's, too, were a company record: 2.35 million, up 9%, the Japanese automaker reported.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-04-24-toyota-gm_N.htm

auron
17-05-2007, 09:46 PM
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/f/get_a_brain_morans.jpg

A classic! :D

december
17-05-2007, 10:49 PM
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/f/get_a_brain_morans.jpg

A classic! :D

Yes...
This is classic american protest - they dress like clowns, hold the signs for few hours and then go home... :)

Anti-war demonstration in Washington

http://img.rian.ru/images/5982/80/59828038.jpg

http://img.rian.ru/images/5982/75/59827598.jpg

http://img.rian.ru/images/5982/69/59826942.jpg

http://img.rian.ru/images/5982/76/59827610.jpg

december
18-05-2007, 02:21 AM
Are americans going to protest this bill?

Immigration breakthrough could pave way for citizenship

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States could be put on the path to citizenship under a new immigration bill agreed upon Thursday by a bipartisan group of senators.

"The agreement we just reached is the best possible chance we will have to secure our borders, bring millions of people out of the shadows and into the sunshine of America," Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts said.

President Bush expressed gratitude to the senators for their work.

"I really am anxious to sign a comprehensive immigration bill as soon as I possibly can," he told reporters outside the White House. "Today, we took a good step toward this direction."

But Republican Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said the bill is not a done deal.

He said he has "concerns with the principles outlined in today's announcement."

"I believe today's announcement is somewhat premature because specific legislative text has yet to be drafted on a number of key details," Cornyn said in a statement. "Until I have the opportunity to review this text, I will withhold from making more detailed comments."

The 380-page bill, which comes after nearly three months of negotiations, would give immediate work authorization to undocumented workers who arrived in the United States before January 1, 2007.

Heads of household would have to return to their home country within eight years, and they would be guaranteed the right to return.

Applicants would also have to pay a $5,000 penalty.

Additionally, the number of Border Patrol agents would be doubled, border fencing would be strengthened and employers who hire undocumented workers would face fines.

The process of enforcing those provisions would take about 18 months, according to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff.

After the provisions are in place, a guest-worker program would be initiated, under which 400,000 temporary workers per year would be granted a "Y" visa.

The two-year visas would require they return home for a year, then allow them to re-enter for an additional two-years. The process could be repeated twice more.

Each year, they would be able to bring their families on 30-day visitor visas, and each year, they would earn points toward a merit-based green card.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/17/senate.immigration/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

wheresmyparachute
19-05-2007, 12:40 AM
Ok, I've had enough of American bashing. Ok, ok, so Americans can be clowns, ignorant, selfish, butt heads, etc.... Somebody has to do it, why not us? Its a funny little place to live, I tell ya! United --what? States?... hmmm, that is a funny one too! Even our own native Americans hate the so called "Americans" I'm not exactly thrilled with my own country these days but I still have to live here and I am an incredibly fantastic human being! So... Lets talk about France instead, what about France...? I want to talk about France... not really. So who's to blame anyway? Everyone ends up blaming America for just about everything. In America, everyone blames California for just about everything. The fact that Americans are butt heads doesn't seem to stop people from moving here. Maybe it all comes down to who looks the prettiest! Everyone follows our lead it seems... So who's really the ignoramus here? The Piper ----or the pied? -all in fun now....kait

cheeb
19-05-2007, 01:15 AM
I love America too
It leads ,we follow

we follow you down the path of
obesity
gangs
plastic surgery
warfare(the invasion of soverign nations)

soon we will all be carrying guns in the persuit of
life, liberty and the american dream/nightmare

no way jose

have a nice day!

jinjo5
19-05-2007, 01:45 AM
....i cant sleep at night cos of gas prices.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
.surely theres better things to worry about,jesus!!

december
30-05-2007, 03:31 AM
Iraq attacks kill 10 US soldiers

Almost 3,500 US troops have died since the US-led invasion of Iraq
Ten US soldiers were killed in attacks in Iraq on Monday, the US military has announced, making May the deadliest month this year for US troops in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6702369.stm


Cindy Sheehan quits as 'face' of anti-war campaign

30 May 2007

The war in Iraq has claimed another victim - leaving the US peace movement without one of its most inspir-ational voices. The activist Cindy Sheehan has announced she is standing down from her position as the "face" of the anti-war movement, citing her frustration with the apathy of the American public and the failure of the Democratic Party to do more to bring the troops home.
She said she has been routinely abused by both conservatives and liberals and accused of being an "attention whore".

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2594160.ece

http://agonist.org/annex/cindyboommike.jpg

december
30-05-2007, 11:52 PM
Quote:

"I was saddened by Cindy Sheehan’s resignation from the peace movement. Her effort showed how a small group of committed people can make their voices heard with miniscule funding. Unfortunately, the roar of the pro-war machine in this country successfully shouted Sheehan down.

"Good-bye America ...,” wrote Sheehan in her Daily KOS diary, “you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can't make you be that country unless you want it. It's up to you now."

Sheehan’s right. America is no longer the same place that like-minded progressives embraced".

http://www.mytown.ca/sakin/

http://www.conservativethinking.com/files/cindy-sheehan-arrested-02-thumb.jpghttp://www.conservativethinking.com/files/cindy-sheehan-arrested-01.jpg

http://www.globaljusticeecology.org/imgs/news/sheehan1.jpg


She is right.
The so-called Americans won't fight for their land the same way Indians did because it's not their land.