Naomi Wolf reports on the Oct 1st US Coup: SERIOUS

[john white]

Naomi Wolf presents the evidence that a coup took place on October 1st 2008 in the United States of America.

Watch this

Form your opinion about it

And if you take it seriously SHARE IT AROUND

Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty - YouTube

[chris]

Holy moly...Watching this after I get my dinner ready:D

[john white]

Who is Naomi Wolf?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Wolf

Naomi Wolf (born November 12, 1962) is an American author, political consultant, and public intellectual. At a relatively young age, she became the literary star of what was later described as the "third-wave" of the feminist movement.[citation needed] She is also known for her advocacy of progressive politics.

Talk by Naomi Wolf author of "The End of America: Letter of Warning To A Young Patriot" given October 11, 2007 at Kane Hall on the University of Washington campus.

Downloadable audio mp3 of this talk can be found at http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php...

Interview with Naomi Wolf discussing "The End of America" available at http://youtube.com/watch?v=aW9PulYpjGs

Talk - Naomi Wolf - The End of America - YouTube

[logic bomb]

Thanks for this. Should be good.

[john white]

I've found this article

Detailed comment, especially on the constitutional position, follows on the link, too much to quote in full here

I would say this supports what Naomi Wolfe is saying

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/24/army/

Why is a U.S. Army brigade being assigned to the "Homeland"?

(updated below - Update II)

Several bloggers today have pointed to this obviously disturbing article from Army Times, which announces that "beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the [1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry Division] will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North" -- "the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities." The article details:

They'll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack. . . .

The 1st BCT's soldiers also will learn how to use "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded," 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

"It's a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they're fielding. They've been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it."

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

"I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered," said Cloutier, describing the experience as "your worst muscle cramp ever -- times 10 throughout your whole body". . . .

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced "sea-smurf").

[john white]

but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced "sea-smurf")

Sea-Smurf!

I got to admit, the bastards have a sense of humour

Sea-Smurf = Admiralty Law!

[pheony]

Very good interview.

[krakhead]

Thank you, will give it a watch.

Holy moly...Watching this after I get my dinner ready:D

How long does it take to open a bag of spinach? :p

[chris]

Thank you, will give it a watch.



How long does it take to open a bag of spinach? :p

Actually I had to go down sainburies and then they didn't have any spinach so I bought some romain hearts and grapes, I'm still eating the juiced hearts:D

Yes the video was pretty good...She's getting the liberals involved. I didn't catch the end...I hope she said that these sweeping powers aren't going to go away with Obama. I doubt it but did she?

[john white]

Yes the video was pretty good...She's getting the liberals involved. I didn't catch the end...I hope she said that these sweeping powers aren't going to go away with Obama. I doubt it but did she?

Her view is that Obama isnt going to get in, so from that I'd say whether Wolf might be inclined to support him is a moot point

I would say the most likely scenario is a McCain victory with the cartel continuing to act with him as the figurehead, and no doubt Bush somewhere behind the scenes, if it isnt martial law they will steal the election

And if they don't, then the others corporate puppet Obama gets in

So it just goes to show the wisdom of the call to arrest the criminals now and neither wait for, or count on salvation from, Congress, which has already shown it is indimidated by passing the Bail-Out bill

[john white]

bump

[malvern]

suprised that this needs a bump....lol

This is going on world wide ......... In the UK treason has been reported to the police ....but it needs everyone to act.
So many people just sit back thinking that others will do the right thing and that they do not need too, well that's why these evil people rule the world because we have allowed it.... "NOW IS THE TIME TO GET OFF YOUR ASS" while you still have a chair to sit in.


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[and justice for all]

http://www.ricesigns.com/real_pictures/bump_signs.jpg

And if you take it seriously SHARE IT AROUND
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgkeTanCGI

If you're in America spread this video far and wide...
....NOW!

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[steevo]

A good video overall with alot of good info in it.
On a slightly negative side, is she stuck in the left verses right mindset ? She calls herself a "Feminist" too. I mean why label herself that way ?
But overall the video speaks alot of truth in my opinion.

[lightworks]

Interesting but not necessarily interested....death will ultimately come in one way or the other

[zero1]

I wonder how this impacts on the coming election...could it be that Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and their ilk will run the country out-of-office, controlling and manipulating whoever gets in? Are we witnessing, via this coup, the formation of a new power group, or faction/secret society?

[grenadene]

A good video overall with alot of good info in it.
On a slightly negative side, is she stuck in the left verses right mindset ? She calls herself a "Feminist" too. I mean why label herself that way ?
But overall the video speaks alot of truth in my opinion.

I came across Naomi Wolf at uni and thought her books were really good. I think the 'Feminist' tag is almost like labelling a band 'Rock music' - academics like to pigeonhole stuff so you can find them in the library :)

[steevo]

I came across Naomi Wolf at uni and thought her books were really good. I think the 'Feminist' tag is almost like labelling a band 'Rock music' - academics like to pigeonhole stuff so you can find them in the library :)

Yeah but that gives even more credibility to the label. The feminist "movement" is a result of social engineering and if they have a "feminist" section in the library then the sheeple start to believe it to be a legitimate "movement". And if Wolf is genuine then why does she label herself that way. Maybe I am wrong about labels but I think I'm right. :confused: lol

Anyway i'm glad this stuff is being talked about even by groups who like to label themselves.:)

[zarah]

A good video overall with alot of good info in it.
On a slightly negative side, is she stuck in the left verses right mindset ? She calls herself a "Feminist" too. I mean why label herself that way ?
But overall the video speaks alot of truth in my opinion.

I thought exactly the same as you initially..another controlled opposition person. It was a good video though and Ive passed it on to some people I know in the states.

[malvern]

Hi steevo, i feel that she carries that lable over from her days of being trapped in the system and that her true journey of awaking is just about to begin..... remember back to the days when you first started looking,shock.....now days you can see the tricks, twists and turns from miles away... the good thing is that she has made the right stand by talking out .


THESE EVIL BASTARDS NEED TO STAND TRIAL... today



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[steevo]

Hi steevo, i feel that she carries that lable over from her days of being trapped in the system and that her true journey of awaking is just about to begin..... remember back to the days when you first started looking,shock.....now days you can see the tricks, twists and turns from miles away... the good thing is that she has made the right stand by talking out .


THESE EVIL BASTARDS NEED TO STAND TRIAL... today



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Yep Malvern I agree, and I hope she is genuine (she SEEMED quite genuine anyway) :)

[john white]

It's interesting, isn't it, how we find ourselves frequently worrying about the messenger and not the message

I've been digging further into this story and I have not found a single inaccuracy in what Naomi wolf is putting across here

On that basis who she is has minimal relevance compared to what she is saying

But even so:

It doesn't matter to me whether she is politically "left" or "feminist": that's not who she is anyway, those labels aren't who anyone is, and I don't have to totally agree with anyone to consider what they are saying important and pertinent

My determination is that Naomi Wolf is a human being who knows the price humans must pay to retain their freedom.... and the values one must hold to regain it. That's enough for me to consider her a voice worth listening too

[john white]

btw:

The feminist "movement" is a result of social engineering

Dont be too rigidly certain about that Steevo. We could equally observe the Feminist movement was socially engineered: not the same thing

Anything the elite turns to their propoganda comes from the grass roots too

[john white]

I wonder how this impacts on the coming election...could it be that Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and their ilk will run the country out-of-office, controlling and manipulating whoever gets in? Are we witnessing, via this coup, the formation of a new power group, or faction/secret society?

I'd say Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld have never really controlled anything, other than their job role representing the interests of their sponsors. And only the sponsors choice will ever win an election in aything other than truly exceptional circumstances. Ensuring those circumstances are very hard to manifest (a popular movement for change, for example) is what keeping people off balance lurching from scary crisis to scary crisis is all about

So I would say we are witnessing the movement of the real power block (the corporate military industrial complex, and at a more refined level, "the illuminati") beneath the surface of events

It has a simpler name of course

Fascism

We are seeing Fascism emerging and strengthening its hold on power

and we can define that quite clearly:

The corporate control of government and subsequent enslavement of the people

[zero1]

I'd say Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld have never really controlled anything, other than their job role representing the interests of their sponsors. And only the sponsors choice will ever win an election in aything other than truly exceptional circumstances. Ensuring those circumstances are very hard to manifest (a popular movement for change, for example) is what keeping people off balance lurching from scary crisis to scary crisis is all about

So I would say we are witnessing the movement of the real power block (the corporate military industrial complex, and at a more refined level, "the illuminati") beneath the surface of events

It has a simpler name of course

Fascism

We are seeing Fascism emerging and strengthening its hold on power

and we can define that quite clearly:

The corporate control of government and subsequent enslavement of the people

Yeah, agree. The merger of the Corporatocracy and the U.S. State is complete, it is now the very definition of Fascism. The Coup has taken place, whatever way you view it, Wolf is right. Now to do something about it...

[steevo]

It's interesting, isn't it, how we find ourselves frequently worrying about the messenger and not the message

I've been digging further into this story and I have not found a single inaccuracy in what Naomi wolf is putting across here

On that basis who she is has minimal relevance compared to what she is saying

But even so:

It doesn't matter to me whether she is politically "left" or "feminist": that's not who she is anyway, those labels aren't who anyone is, and I don't have to totally agree with anyone to consider what they are saying important and pertinent

My determination is that Naomi Wolf is a human being who knows the price humans must pay to retain their freedom.... and the values one must hold to regain it. That's enough for me to consider her a voice worth listening too

I agree JW.
I was just mentioning that Wolf MAY be stuck in the left verses right mindset (from what I saw in the video) which we were ALL stuck in some point in our lives. MAYBE because she is sort of high profile, she has to be careful at this stage (just like Ron Paul has to be careful) not to be labelled as a "conspiracy nut", or maybe she is still in the early stages of (dare i say it :rolleyes:) "waking up".
If she is still part of the so called Feminist "movement" then that tells me she is either not understanding what is really going on OR she is actually part of the agenda. But like you say JW, the truth is the truth no matter who's mouth it comes out of. Like Malvern said, she may be just starting to wake up so she doesnt see the bigger picture just yet. Who knows ? :confused:

[malvern]

Remember the uk man..Albert Burgess he was a police officer first, now we all could say things about his past. Dondaz summed it up nicely "Britain's best police man". I bet Albert has had his eyes opened even more now...


it what they are saying that counts


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=r54JkCSefww



freedom is the grandchildren we all can be caretakers

[truthcommission]

She calls herself a "Feminist" too. I mean why label herself that way?
This is what shits me. Why identify yourself with such a narrow (IMO) ideology?

[americana]

Thank you, John White, for bringing our attention to this important video!

You are right, in many ways, it's the message, not the person transmitting the message.

However, many who know of her past work, its strengths and weaknesses, who know of her education (Yale), etc., will find her credible or NOT depending upon their opinion of her. Maybe this is good!

Check out her recent article from The Huffington Post:

Sarah "Evita" Palin: The Muse of the Coming Police State


Please understand what you are looking at when you look at Sarah "Evita" Palin. You are looking at the designated muse of the coming American police state.

You have to understand how things work in a closing society in order to understand "Palin Power." A gang or cabal seizes power, usually with an affable, weak figurehead at the fore. Then they will hold elections -- but they will make sure that the election will be corrupted and that the next affable, weak figurehead is entirely in their control. Remember, Russia has Presidents; Russia holds elections. Dictators and gangs of thugs all over the world hold elections. It means nothing. When a cabal has seized power you can have elections and even presidents, but you don't have freedom.

I realized early on with horror what I was seeing in Governor Palin: the continuation of the Rove-Cheney cabal, but this time without restraints. I heard her echo Bush 2000 soundbites ("the heart of America is on display") and realized Bush's speechwriters were writing her -- not McCain's -- speeches. I heard her tell George Bush's lies -- not McCain's -- to the American people, linking 9/11 to Iraq. I heard her make fun of Barack Obama for wanting to prevent the torture of prisoners -- this is Rove-Cheney's enthusiastic S and M, not McCain's, who, though he shamefully colluded in the 2006 Military Tribunals Act, is also a former prisoner of war and wrote an eloquent Newsweek piece in 2005 opposing torture. I saw that she was even styled by the same skillful stylist (neutral lipstick, matte makeup, dark colors) who turned Katharine Harris from a mall rat into a stateswoman and who styles all the women in the Bush orbit --but who does not bother to style Cindy McCain.

Then I saw and heard more. Palin is embracing lawlessness in defying Alaskan Legislature subpoenas --this is what Rove-Cheney, and not McCain, believe in doing. She uses mafia tactics against critics, like the police commissioner who was railroaded for opposing handguns in Alaskan battered women's shelters -- Rove's style, not McCain's. I realized what I was seeing.

Reports confirmed my suspicions: Palin, not McCain, is the FrankenBarbie of the Rove-Cheney cabal. The strategy became clear. Time magazine reported that Rove is "dialed in" to the McCain campaign. Rove's protégé Steve Schmidt is now campaign manager. And Politico reported that Rove was heavily involved in McCain's vice presidential selection. Finally a new report shows that there are dozens of Bush and Rove operatives surrounding Sarah Palin and orchestrating her every move.

What's the plan? It is this. McCain doesn't matter. Reputable dermatologists are discussing the fact that in simply actuarial terms, John McCain has a virulent and life-threatening form of skin cancer. It is the elephant in the room, but we must discuss the health of the candidates: doctors put survival rates for someone his age at two to four years. I believe the Rove-Cheney cabal is using Sarah Palin as a stalking horse, an Evita figure, to put a popular, populist face on the coming police state and be the talk show hostess for the end of elections as we know them. If McCain-Palin get in, this will be the last true American election. She will be working for Halliburton, KBR, Rove and Cheney into the foreseeable future -- for a decade perhaps -- a puppet "president" for the same people who have plundered our treasure, are now holding the US economy hostage and who murdered four thousand brave young men and women in a way of choice and lies.

How, you may ask, can I assert this? How can I argue, as I now do, that there is actually a war being ramped up against US citizens and our democracy and that Sarah Palin is the figurehead and muse for that war?

Look at the RNC. This is supposed to be McCain's America. But you see the unmistakable theatre of Rove's S and M imagery -- and you see stages eight, nine and ten of the steps to a dictatorship as I outlined them in The End of America. Preemptive arrest? Abusive arrest? "Newly released footage, which was buried to avoid confiscation, shows riot cops arresting and abusing a giant group of people for nothing."

Journalists were arrested -- for reporting. Amy Goodman and ABC producers were arrested. Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake and others were forced to lie face down as armed agents tied their hands behind their backs. The riot police wore the black S&M gear of the Rovian fantasy life and carried the four foot batons cops carry in North Korea. All this is not John McCain's imagery or strategy: it is Karl Rove's.

In McCain-Palin's America, citizens who are protesting are being charged as terrorists. This means that a violent war had been declared on American citizens. A well known reporter leaked to me on background that St Paul police had dressed as protesters and, dressed in Black -- shades of the Blackshirts of 1920 -- infiltrated protest groups. There were also phalanxes of men in black wearing balaclavas, linking arms and behaving menacingly -- alleged "anarchists." Let me tell you, I have been on the left for thirty years and you can't get three lefties to wear the same t-shirt to a rally, let alone link arms and wear identical face masks: these are not our guys. Agent Provocateurs framing protesters and calling protest "terrorism" constitutes step ten of a police state:

"In what appears to be the first use of criminal charges under the 2002 Minnesota version of the Federal Patriot Act, Ramsey County Prosecutors have formally charged 8 alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee with Conspiracy to Riot in Furtherance of Terrorism... [they] 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty."

"Paid, confidential informants... infiltrated the RNCWC on behalf of law enforcement. They allege that members of the group sought to kidnap delegates to the RNC, assault police officers with firebombs and explosives, and sabotage airports in St. Paul. Evidence released to date does not corroborate these allegations with physical evidence or provide any other evidence for these allegations than the claims of the informants. Based on past abuses of such informants by law enforcement, the National Lawyers Guild is concerned that such police informants have incentives to lie and exaggerate threats of violence and to also act as provocateurs in raising and urging support for acts of violence."


Under the Palin-Rove police state, you will see escalating infringements on your access to a free internet:

"Sarah Palin was baptized at Wasilla Assembly of God...Last Sunday our research team released a video, a ten-minute mini-documentary, focusing on the Wasilla Assemblies of God and the video seemed on the verge of a massive "viral" breakthrough when YouTube pulled it down, citing 'inappropriate content'. At the point the video was censored by YouTube it had been viewed by almost 160,000 people. The short of it is that YouTube has censored a video documentary that appeared to be close to having an effect on a hard fought and contentious American presidential election..."


Under the coming Palin-Rove police state, you will witness the plans now underway to bring Iraqi troops to patrol the streets of our nation. This is not McCain's fantasy: it is Rove's and Cheney's.

Under the Palin-Rove police state, there will be no further true elections. Mark Crispin Miller has done sensational and under-reported investigating t o establish that -- as I warned -- indeed the GOP staffers on the US Senate Judiciary Committee have been .

The evidence is also buried on the Website of the Majority House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

WASHINGTON -- Republican staff members of the US Senate Judiciary Commitee infiltrated opposition computer files for a year, monitoring secret strategy memos and periodically passing on copies to the media, Senate officials told The Globe. >From the spring of 2002 until at least April 2003, members of the GOP committee staff exploited a computer glitch that allowed them to access restricted Democratic communications witho ut a password. Trolling through hundreds of memos, they were able to read talking points and accounts of private meetings discussing which judicial nominees Democrats would fight -- and with what tactics.

-- "Senate panel's GOP staff spied on Democrats" By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | January 22, 2004


Do you think that spying like this will ever end under a Palin-Rove regime? Dream on. If she and McCain are elected, then every single strategy memo and speech and debate prep note from every opposition candidate from now and on into forever will be read by the regime in power while it is still in the computers of the challengers.

Under the Palin-Rove police state, citizens will be targeted with state cyberterrorism. Bruce Fein of the American Freedom Agenda, a former Reagan official, warned me three years ago that the Bush team went after a Republican who had crossed them through cyberstalking: they messed with his email, messed with his phones and I believe messed with his bank account -- he became a cyber-pariah, unemployable and haunted. With modern technology, there really is less place to hide from the state than there was in East Germany in the Cold War era. I remember feeling a chill: of course. That is the wave of the future once we breach the protections around citizens of FISA and the fourth amendment. That way lies the abyss for us all.

Am I trying to scare you? I am. I am trying to scare you to death and ask you to scare your Republican and independent friends most of all. How do you know when it is war on citizens? When there are mass arrests, journalists are jailed, the opposition is infiltrated, rights are stripped and leaders start to ignore the rule of law.

Almost everyone I work with on projects related to this campaign for liberty has been experiencing computer harassment: emails are stripped, messages disappear. That's not all: people's bank accounts are being tampered with: wire transfers to banks vanish in midair. I personally keep opening bank accounts that are quickly corrupted by fraud. Money vanishes. Coworkers of mine have to keep opening new email accounts as old ones become infected. And most disturbingly to me personally is the mail tampering I have both heard of and experienced firsthand. My tax returns vanished from my mailbox. All my larger envelopes arrive ripped straight open apparently by hand. When I show the postman, he says "That's impossible." Horrifyingly to me is the impact on my family. My childrens' report cards are returned again and again though perfectly addressed; their invitations are turned back; and my daughters many letters from camp? Vanished. All of them. Not one arrived. Try explaining that to a smart thirteen year old. Try explaining it in a way that still makes her feel secure and comfortable.

I am not telling you this because it's about my life. I am telling you this because it is about your life -- whoever you are, Conservative or Liberal, independent or evangelical. Your politics will not protect you in a police state. History shows that nothing portects you in a police state. This is not about my fear and anxiety: it is about what awaits you and everyone you love unless you see this for what it is:

Scharansky divided nations into "fear societies" and "free societies." Make no mistake: Sarah "Evita" Palin is Rove and Cheney's cosmetic rebranding of their fascist push: she will help to establish a true and irreversible "fear society" in this once free once proud nation. For God's sake, do not let her; do not let them.

Aside from everything she's said here, every crucial point, I highlighted one bit in BOLD. BECAUSE of who Naomi Wolf IS, she can say something like that and perhaps not be laughed at and dismissed as just another conspiracy theorist. She is an American intellectual, and when she talks and writes, well . . hopefully people might listen.


It's interesting . . . she's like the Anti-Palin. She's a mother, she's voluptuous and sexy with that long hair. She's basically a MILF. (I can say this because I'm a girl, too.) BUT she's a hell of a lot smarter, and she knows her history. God bless her.

It's also interesting, that there's another article on the Huff Post, not written by Wolf, that says what is Palin trying to do with her latest comments on Obama consorting with a "terrorist" - - - is she trying to incite violence?

And here we go with Naomi Wolf - - well, she's not TELLING you to go out and set fire to cars and blow up or dismantle their houses. No, she's not telling you to do it! Oh, no.

On the other hand, in American schools, esp. from the early years through high school, perhaps not in colleges, you get a sanitized version of the American Revolution. It's great that she's calling attention to acts of defiance, real things that brave people did, that got this country founded. I guess we need to regain that spirit.

[cruise4]

The whole world a battlefield. Like the EU trick to bring in the death penalty in times of war. What will the army do? This is the Key, not the Police. The Police can be dealt with in their own home overnight once this thing gets going.

Trouble with the middle class talking about 'ordinary people' should be having the debate and governing is.... they are just another elite class and need to acknowledge it before progress can be made. The middle class are no more a solution than the ruling class. No Class is what's needed.

[steevo]

btw:



Dont be too rigidly certain about that Steevo. We could equally observe the Feminist movement was socially engineered: not the same thing

Anything the elite turns to their propoganda comes from the grass roots too


That's what I meant....I think :confused:

What do you mean exactly JW?:o Can you just expand slightly on that so that I know that we are understanding each other.

[john white]

That's what I meant....I think :confused:

What do you mean exactly JW?:o Can you just expand slightly on that so that I know that we are understanding each other.

sorry being a bit subtle

what I mean is that often people see evidence of social engineering and then immediately conclude "Hey this means this entire idea/philosophy/movement comes from "them", and thus I'll reject it, because its social engineering"

I don't see it like that: I see (mostly) social movements that have arisen out of genuine social need/ injustice/ oppression that have then BEEN "socially engieered"

Thats not the same thing, because there is a core of genuineness that is quite separate from whatever other buggering about has been going on: I see both feminism and environmentalism as clear examples of this

The Elite always subvert the genuine so that it advances or does not threaten their aims

I consider it rash to reject the genuine merely because of that

Hope that helps:)

[steevo]

sorry being a bit subtle

what I mean is that often people see evidence of social engineering and then immediately conclude "Hey this means this entire idea/philosophy/movement comes from "them", and thus I'll reject it, because its social engineering"

I don't see it like that: I see (mostly) social movements that have arisen out of genuine social need/ injustice/ oppression that have then BEEN "socially engieered"

Thats not the same thing, because there is a core of genuineness that is quite separate from whatever other buggering about has been going on: I see both feminism and environmentalism as clear examples of this

The Elite always subvert the genuine so that it advances or does not threaten their aims

I consider it rash to reject the genuine merely because of that

Hope that helps:)

Yeah that does clear it up. Thanks JW.

I have to say that with Feminism, I'm not sure if it was socially engineered or whether it was a result of social engineering. Either way JW I get your point and I know that the truth is still thetruth no matter whose mouth it comes out of.

[and justice for all]

It’s called infiltration, usurpation and ultimately hijacking.
A naturally “good” idea or movement gets hijacked and turned into an instrument of manipulation and conditioning.

[john white]

More from Naomi Wolf on the deployment of troops:

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20975.htm

Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on U.S. Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"

Members of Congress were told they could face martial law if they didn't pass the bailout bill. This will not be the last time.

By Naomi Wolf

08/10/08 "AlterNet" -- Background: the First Brigade of the Third Infantry Division, three to four thousand soldiers, has been deployed in the United States as of October 1. Their stated mission is the form of crowd control they practiced in Iraq, subduing "unruly individuals," and the management of a national emergency. I am in Seattle and heard from the brother of one of the soldiers that they are engaged in exercises now. Amy Goodman reported that an Army spokesperson confirmed that they will have access to lethal and non lethal crowd control technologies and tanks.

George Bush struck down Posse Comitatus, thus making it legal for military to patrol the U.S. He has also legally established that in the "War on Terror," the U.S. is at war around the globe and thus the whole world is a battlefield. Thus the U.S. is also a battlefield.

He also led change to the 1807 Insurrection Act to give him far broader powers in the event of a loosely defined "insurrection" or many other "conditions" he has the power to identify. The Constitution allows the suspension of habeas corpus -- habeas corpus prevents us from being seized by the state and held without trial -- in the event of an "insurrection." With his own army force now, his power to call a group of protesters or angry voters "insurgents" staging an "insurrection" is strengthened.

U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman of California said to Congress, captured on C-Span and viewable on YouTube, that individual members of the House were threatened with martial law within a week if they did not pass the bailout bill:



"The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. … Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first day and a couple of thousand on the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no."

If this is true and Rep. Sherman is not delusional, I ask you to consider that if they are willing to threaten martial law now, it is foolish to assume they will never use that threat again. It is also foolish to trust in an orderly election process to resolve this threat. And why deploy the First Brigade? One thing the deployment accomplishes is to put teeth into such a threat.

I interviewed Vietnam veteran, retired U.S. Air Force Colonel and patriot David Antoon for clarification:

"If the President directed the First Brigade to arrest Congress, what could stop him?"

"Nothing. Their only recourse is to cut off funding. The Congress would be at the mercy of military leaders to go to them and ask them not to obey illegal orders."

"But these orders are now legal?'"

"Correct."

"If the President directs the First Brigade to arrest a bunch of voters, what would stop him?"

"Nothing. It would end up in courts but the action would have been taken."

"If the President directs the First Brigade to kill civilians, what would stop him?"

"Nothing."

"What would prevent him from sending the First Brigade to arrest the editor of the Washington Post?"

"Nothing. He could do what he did in Iraq -- send a tank down a street in Washington and fire a shell into the Washington Post as they did into Al Jazeera, and claim they were firing at something else."

"What happens to members of the First Brigade who refuse to take up arms against U.S. citizens?"

"They'd probably be treated as deserters as in Iraq: arrested, detained and facing five years in prison. In Iraq a study by Ann Wright shows that deserters -- reservists who refused to go back to Iraq -- got longer sentences than war criminals."

"Does Congress have any military of their own?"

"No. Congress has no direct control of any military units. The Governors have the National Guard but they report to the President in an emergency that he declares."

"Who can arrest the President?"

"The Attorney General can arrest the President after he leaves or after impeachment."

[Note: Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi has asserted it is possible for District Attorneys around the country to charge President Bush with murder if they represent districts where one or more military members who have been killed in Iraq formerly resided.]

"Given the danger do you advocate impeachment?"

"Yes. President Bush struck down Posse Comitatus -- which has prevented, with a penalty of two years in prison, U.S. leaders since after the Civil War from sending military forces into our streets -- with a 'signing statement.' He should be impeached immediately in a bipartisan process to prevent the use of military forces and mercenary forces against U.S. citizens"

"Should Americans call on senior leaders in the Military to break publicly with this action and call on their own men and women to disobey these orders?"

"Every senior military officer's loyalty should ultimately be to the Constitution. Every officer should publicly break with any illegal order, even from the President."

"But if these are now legal. If they say, 'Don't obey the Commander in Chief,' what happens to the military?"

"Perhaps they would be arrested and prosecuted as those who refuse to participate in the current illegal war. That's what would be considered a coup."

"But it's a coup already."

"Yes."

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(And I found this comment on that article worth reading JW):

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Naomi, in 1933, America's power elité, many of those that financed Hitler into power sought to install via a violent coup a fascist government in control of America and it rested on the shoulders of one General but it failed due to this General's refusal to commit treason.

Its interesting that the current President's forebears were amongst the front runners of this coup attempt and its interesting to note that the coup was brought about by the New Deal which in turn was introduced in regards to the crash of that era.

This is where the Neo's will strike, will wait until the US is on its knees, overcommitted, its main army across in foreign lands and a tame force under false flag will be used to seize power, already Bush can declare an emergency and suspend Congress for SIX months with full power of decree, he can tear the constituition up, he can rewrite any law by executive order and he can even make himself "above" the law in the method of a true dictator.

Bush's emergency powers are identical to that of Hitler's enabling act, its interesting that here in the UK, we are facing the same thing, indeed one of Blair's last acts was to introduce something called the LLRB reform bill which if it had made it through would of given the Prime Minister the power to rule Britain by decree.

If you consider that under Bush's powers he has the ability in an emergency to rewrite it all so that there will never be another congress.

Remember there are many many hundreds of FEMA KZ camps, its coming to light also of the stockpiling of millions of "cremation" plastic coffins, the military are being used to quell "insurrection", police officers are brutally out of control, mercenaries being used on the streets of the USA, just substituite some of these "acceptable" aspects for your society to something more sinister, Waffen-SS (Green Card recruits), Brownshirts (Private contractors), Gestapo (DHS, FBI, CIA, NSA), you can go back in history and spot the same people as you see today, different uniforms, different names but STILL aspects of fascism and this is WHAT you America are facing.

I suspect that when the US falls under a miltary Junta, Britain will follow soon after, David Miliband has stated that he feels OK for the US to rule the world, these are dark days indeed.

[breezinreezin]

A good video overall with alot of good info in it.
On a slightly negative side, is she stuck in the left verses right mindset ? She calls herself a "Feminist" too. I mean why label herself that way ?
But overall the video speaks alot of truth in my opinion.

I agree, but would go further. If the people are slow to act maybe she should reflect on the damage her ilk have caused by their constant demonising of the traditional male characteristics, such as patriotism, anger, competitiveness, and general cocking a leg up, piss marking and fighting for the good of your country. They won't challenge despotism with a bunch of left leaning, piss weak feminists. Testosterone is called for---lots of it.

[americana]

I agree, but would go further. If the people are slow to act maybe she should reflect on the damage her ilk have caused by their constant demonising of the traditional male characteristics, such as patriotism, anger, competitiveness, and general cocking a leg up, piss marking and fighting for the good of your country. They won't challenge despotism with a bunch of left leaning, piss weak feminists. Testosterone is called for---lots of it.

Naomi Wolf has more balls than lots of men. :p

If you read her work, you'd know that she doesn't demonize patriotism or fighting for America one bit.

[breezinreezin]

Somebody said she calls herself a feminist, and the branch of the PC religion that is feminism is greatly responsible for that which I described. I used the term her ilk fittingly. I don't know her work, so I didn't pass comment on it. The reading needs to be done by you my friend.

[breezinreezin]

Having let of a bit of my anger at 'the left', I can say that what Wolf had to say in that clip certainly makes sense and joins all the pieces, that are scattered around, into a cohesive and frightening picture.

Intellectuals won't win this battle. This is going to be messy and you're going to need the 'grunts' in society, fired up and willing to fight to the death for the reinstatement of the constitution. People are going to need to get angry to the point of hate for the Bush administration. I can't see a Gandhi-style solution is going to work in the US, or will it?

[john white]

Having let of a bit of my anger at 'the left', I can say that what Wolf had to say in that clip certainly makes sense and joins all the pieces, that are scattered around, into a cohesive and frightening picture.

Intellectuals won't win this battle. This is going to be messy and you're going to need the 'grunts' in society, fired up and willing to fight to the death for the reinstatement of the constitution. People are going to need to get angry to the point of hate for the Bush administration. I can't see a Gandhi-style solution is going to work in the US, or will it?

Well the British didnt see it working in India: until it did. but that was a unique cultural situation in that Ghandi was able to tap into the spiritual values of a people who had been so ground down and oppressed that their spirituality was all they had left: ironic of course, becuase from another point of view I'd say the Indian people became so poor (materially) they became immensely wealthy (in consciousness)

That's not likely to be the situation in America, though ultimately consciousness will "win"

Wolf is tapping into a particular form of enlightened patriotism and the radical spirit of rebellion on which the Founding vision of America was based

In 1776 it was a tiny proportion of the people who made change happen: in western cultures it always has been since the beginnings of western civilisation. It seems to be the western paradigm: its the conviction of the few that sway the rest

So perhaps this struggle is really about which minority sways the day: the minority imposing from the top or the minority liberating from the bottom

I reckon we know where we stand on this forum :)

[onourwayto2012]

The most important thing is to realize Obama is the same only different....plus he has WAY more shit than Palin in his history.