How did they get the pilots to kill themselves?

[graflok]

They weren't your regular "suicide bombers"
because they had to know it was all a complete
scam and had nothing to do with "jihad."

Just wondering how they got these pilots to
agree to kill themselves for something they
had to know was a complete scam and would
result in their fellow Muslims and countrymen
being blamed for something they didn't do
and would also result in many other innocent
people dying along with themselves?

How did they assure themselves these guys
would successfully hijack planes and then fly
them perfectly into the towers, killing themselves
and many others in the process?

Taking into consideration that this was "the
Pearl Harbor of the 21st Century," the most
important false flag event of all time.

How did they assure themselves these guys
would do all this and why would these pilots
kill themselves doing it?

[armoured_amazon]

Mind control. And we only have it on the media's word that the 'hijackers' were Muslim anyway.

[red_ram]

Either mind control, or remote control of the aircraft from the ground, during which the pilots wouldn't be after killing themselves but wouldn't have a choice.

[armoured_amazon]

Either mind control, or remote control of the aircraft from the ground, during which the pilots wouldn't be after killing themselves but wouldn't have a choice.

Yes, remote control would explain the manoeuvres that even seasoned pilots claimed were nigh impossible for highly trained pilots, therefore it would be highly unlikely for box cutter-wielding 'hijackers' to do so.

[red_ram]

Yes, remote control would explain the manoeuvres that even seasoned pilots claimed were nigh impossible for highly trained pilots, therefore it would be highly unlikely for box cutter-wielding 'hijackers' to do so.

The control in question is a safety feature installed on certain aircraft allowing ground forces to take control in the event of a hijacking (which brings in questions as to why this feature was not used officially on 9/11, but I digress). Lufthansa were concerned enough about the threat of abuse of this system that they had it stripped from their entire fleet.

With this activated, the transponder would be cut and all transmissions from the plane would also be cut. So the pilots would suddenly lose control of their aircraft and have no way of alerting ground control.

[graflok]

The trouble with the mind control explanation is that
it is not 100% reliable according to those former Monarch
insiders who have come forward as whistle-blowers.

For the shooting/suicide incidents, for example, they
always have additional operatives on the scene who
actually do much of the shooting themselves and make
sure the fall guy does kill himself.

[red_ram]

The trouble with the mind control explanation is that
it is not 100% reliable according to those former Monarch
insiders who have come forward as whistle-blowers.

For the shooting/suicide incidents, for example, they
always have additional operatives on the scene who
actually do much of the shooting themselves and make
sure the fall guy does kill himself.

I always believed the remote control scenario was the most likely, with or without the passengers on board.

[graflok]

I always believed the remote control scenario was the most likely, with or without the passengers on board.

I do think the remote control scenario is possible. I doubt it happened that
way but I do think it's possible.

[1694]

Mate find a few youths, disenfranchised with life and society, blame it on westerners, explain religion is the saviour don't take that much at all.

Follow the money leaks down the chain
CIA
Pakistan/Afgan Govt/Intellegence services
Pakistan/Afgan Military
Pakistan/Afgan Disidents iwithin military
Taliban/Al quadia lose organisations
Local Handlers
Poor suckers

Now if your the poor sucker, you don't know the whole thing is a scam, not by any means, you only know what your handler tells you, and he oinly knows what he gets from the level above etc.

[graflok]

Mate find a few youths, disenfranchised with life and society, blame it on westerners, explain religion is the saviour don't take that much at all.

Follow the money leaks down the chain
CIA
Pakistan/Afgan Govt/Intellegence services
Pakistan/Afgan Military
Pakistan/Afgan Disidents iwithin military
Taliban/Al quadia lose organisations
Local Handlers
Poor suckers

Now if your the poor sucker, you don't know the whole thing is a scam, not by any means, you only know what your handler tells you, and he oinly knows what he gets from the level above etc.

I find it hard to believe they would put the most important false flag
operation of all time in the hands of "a few disenfranchised youths."

This is the intelligence community that we're talking about. They don't
screw around.

[1694]

They are the easiest to indocrinate and full of "the rage of the innocent" they will be the most committed.

[1694]

Thought just came to me, this website is the ideal recruiting ground for this shit:
Agent joins and watches
Makes a few inflamitory posts
Finds the most angry and easily led member
Sends a PM, "We are organizing a resitance you want in?"
Sucker agrees
Agent trains, funds and organises sucker whilst fanning the flames of hate
Sucker does some stupid shit like killing loads of civilians
PTB React "Something must be done" "Extremist websites to blame-evidence found on computer"
PTB step up civil opression remove privacy laws and tax the people to pay for it
PTB 1, human rights 0

[graflok]

Thank you for your views, 1694.

[the seeker]

Watch the movie Syriana.

[stelios]

Watch the movie Syriana.

good movie

The planes were flown by remote control.
No hjghjackers.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/atta_portland2_small.jpg

There is no evidence any of the 911 highjackers were even on the planes, bought tickets, had boarding passes. The only cctv shown is suspect - notice the 2 competing timestamps and the fact that these two officially flew from Portland to Boston, yet officially a Mitsubishi car the Atta rented was found at Boston's Logan Airport. Arabic language materials were found in the car.

How did Atta leave a rental car at Logan Airport in Boston when he supposedly flew there from Portland, Maine?

Dov Zakheim before he became financial comptroller at the pentagon was from 1987-2001 CEO of SPC International, a subsidiary of System Planning Corporation, a high-technology analytical firm. One of the products that SPC sells is the Command Transmitter System, a remote control system for planes, boats, missiles and other vehicles. Dov Zakheim ran a company that specialises in REMOTE CONTROL SYSTEMS FOR PLANES. He is an Israeli. And he was in charge of Pentagon money. So he clearly had the means to pull this off.

[scooby85]

theyre not dead, saw an article a while back where the 'hijackers' were interviewed in arabic, theyre wernt even aware that theyre identity was being used for the incident until their photos appeared on the tv! All of them are still living in the middle east.. you might be able to find sum info about it if u google it

[pinkfreud]

Thought just came to me, this website is the ideal recruiting ground for this shit:
Agent joins and watches
Makes a few inflamitory posts
Finds the most angry and easily led member
Sends a PM, "We are organizing a resitance you want in?"
Sucker agrees
Agent trains, funds and organises sucker whilst fanning the flames of hate
Sucker does some stupid shit like killing loads of civilians
PTB React "Something must be done" "Extremist websites to blame-evidence found on computer"
PTB step up civil opression remove privacy laws and tax the people to pay for it
PTB 1, human rights 0


wtf? :confused:

[pinkfreud]

The control in question is a safety feature installed on certain aircraft allowing ground forces to take control in the event of a hijacking (which brings in questions as to why this feature was not used officially on 9/11, but I digress). Lufthansa were concerned enough about the threat of abuse of this system that they had it stripped from their entire fleet.

With this activated, the transponder would be cut and all transmissions from the plane would also be cut. So the pilots would suddenly lose control of their aircraft and have no way of alerting ground control.


the remote control theory seems plausible, though i doubt if there really WERE people in that plane.. i dont even think those were passenger aircrafts, some say they were military jets

[kamakazi]

"How did they get the pilots to kill themselves?"

kindve a pointless question seen as there werent any hijackers or planes

[brainfreeze]

They didn't get the pilots to kill themselves. I've posted a link on this forum in the past where they have tracked 19 of the hijackers.

Here it is again.

http://www.welfarestate.com/911/

[red_ram]

the remote control theory seems plausible, though i doubt if there really WERE people in that plane.. i dont even think those were passenger aircrafts, some say they were military jets

I have been interested in aircraft for a number of years, so I immediately thought that they were drone aircraft after I started realising that the whole thing was an inside job. One documentary I watched had the passengers disembarking at a military air base before the plane took off again (the passengers presumably being disposed of).

[dave52]

One documentary I watched had the passengers disembarking at a military air base before the plane took off again (the passengers presumably being disposed of).

The Cleveland Airport mystery (thanks to Woody Box). I think this is a very believable scenario. All 9/11 passengers were on one plane (not four). This plane was forced to land at Cleveland because of a terrorist threat (along with Delta 1989). Passengers and crew leave the plane and are "processed" at the nearby NASA facility.

Fake planes (drones or no planes whatsoever) used during the actual operation.

[pinkfreud]

I have been interested in aircraft for a number of years, so I immediately thought that they were drone aircraft after I started realising that the whole thing was an inside job. One documentary I watched had the passengers disembarking at a military air base before the plane took off again (the passengers presumably being disposed of).



the documentary u watched.. was it 'loose change'?

[dave52]

the documentary u watched.. was it 'loose change'?

I think it was in the original Loose Change.

[klinker]

They weren't your regular "suicide bombers"
because they had to know it was all a complete
scam and had nothing to do with "jihad."

Just wondering how they got these pilots to
agree to kill themselves for something they
had to know was a complete scam and would
result in their fellow Muslims and countrymen
being blamed for something they didn't do
and would also result in many other innocent
people dying along with themselves?

How did they assure themselves these guys
would successfully hijack planes and then fly
them perfectly into the towers, killing themselves
and many others in the process?

Taking into consideration that this was "the
Pearl Harbor of the 21st Century," the most
important false flag event of all time.

How did they assure themselves these guys
would do all this and why would these pilots
kill themselves doing it?

A very good question considering the amount of 9/11 junk that gets regurgitated all too frequently.

However the assumption is that they were on the planes to begin with.

[pinkfreud]

I think it was in the original Loose Change.

yup it was. in the final cut too

[pinkfreud]

The Cleveland Airport mystery (thanks to Woody Box). I think this is a very believable scenario. All 9/11 passengers were on one plane (not four). This plane was forced to land at Cleveland because of a terrorist threat (along with Delta 1989). Passengers and crew leave the plane and are "processed" at the nearby NASA facility.

Fake planes (drones or no planes whatsoever) used during the actual operation.



hmm.. somehow that bit about them being 'processed at a NASA facility' got my alarm bells ringing :| im sure they were programmed to forget no wonder therez not even a mention of the passengers 'whistle blowing'... somehow i dont think they'd just be paid to keep shut, im convinced their memories have been manipulated

[1694]

Why would they bother? Just leave them in the plane and then die in the crash.

[dave52]

somehow i dont think they'd just be paid to keep shut, im convinced their memories have been manipulated

Why bother...? The story relies on them being dead. So just kill them.

[pinkfreud]

Why bother...? The story relies on them being dead. So just kill them.

so u think they were killed at that NASA facility?

[dave52]

Yes

[armoured_amazon]

Yes

I do too. If they were willing to kill thousands in the 'terror attacks', why bother sparing a few?

[pinkfreud]

Yes


in that case.. its possible the pilots didnt 'kill themselves' which is the topic of this thread :S but were there at that facility

[dave52]

I think it likely that the pilots were killed along with the passengers. It is possible that the pilots were military personel who just flew the passengers to their fate in Cleveland.

Of course, all of this is speculation - but I see no problem with these scenarios.

[thematrix]

graflok:

Why do you consider 911 to be "the most important false flag op of all time?"


And say the plan hadn't worked out - lets say the hijackers missed the towers and the planes crashed in Manhattan instead and 77 missed the Pentagon.

There would still have been carnage - the govt could still have blamed the whole thing on Muslims - and could still have used it as a ticket in the publics mind for war on terror and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Is it not likely that there were backup contingency plans in the event that plan A didn't work out?

Who knows what plan B or plan C might have entailed - but if this was "the most important op of all time" then you can bet the farm that there were backups of somekind.

I believe they got the "hijacker pilots" to kill themselves n exactly the same way they cajole suicide bombers into blowing htemselves up - give them all sorts of religious promises about 7 virgins and a deluxe heaven existance after death on earth or whatever it is they use. The mentality is the same, they just chose these guys to go out more spectacularly than a normal bomber.

[kingmonkey]

Or...

The CIA henchman bin laden and his cronies seeded the idea of a terrorist attack on the WTC within fundamentalist circles, got real suicidal hijackers to hijack real planes with real people on them. Then all that was needed from the U.S end was the standing down of the jets and some help making sure the terrorists got on the planes etc.

They wouldn't need to engineer the whole thing just make sure the seed was planted with the right people and give them a bit of inside help.

[brainfreeze]

I thought the official story about how they got the pilots to agree to kill themselves was for the 77 Virgins waiting for them on the other side.

We could have offered them 7 sluts not to do it! ;):p

[stelios]

And say the plan hadn't worked out - lets say the hijackers missed the towers and the planes crashed in Manhattan instead and 77 missed the Pentagon.

There would still have been carnage - the govt could still have blamed the whole thing on Muslims - and could still have used it as a ticket in the publics mind for war on terror and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Is it not likely that there were backup contingency plans in the event that plan A didn't work out?

Who knows what plan B or plan C might have entailed - but if this was "the most important op of all time" then you can bet the farm that there were backups of somekind.

I believe they got the "hijacker pilots" to kill themselves n exactly the same way they cajole suicide bombers into blowing htemselves up - give them all sorts of religious promises about 7 virgins and a deluxe heaven existance after death on earth or whatever it is they use. The mentality is the same, they just chose these guys to go out more spectacularly than a normal bomber.

So you havent been listening to anyone elses posts?
THERE WERE NO HIGHJACKERS

The Pentagon was hit by a missile.

And as several of the passengers made mobile phone calls to their families there probably were no passengers on those planes either.
The two planes were flown by remote control and were drones.

You speak of back up plans?
Well the back ups were in place - preprepared fake news footage including faked video of the crashes, friendly reporters already briefed and versed in the story and experts already geared up and in position at various networks to spam the story.

Just in the same way you are doing.

[1694]

I thought the official story about how they got the pilots to agree to kill themselves was for the 77 Virgins waiting for them on the other side.

We could have offered them 7 sluts not to do it! ;):p

LOL, I've had this convo with mates we all agreed we would trade the 77 virgins for a couple skilled pros all day everyday.

[thematrix]

So you havent been listening to anyone elses posts?
THERE WERE NO HIGHJACKERS


says who? Think about it. Either the entire FBI is part of the plot - that would make the whole thing hugely unneccessarily complicated and very likely to have the whistle bloen on it. Or the FBI is controlled ina compartmentalised fashion and the majority of the field agents and what have you are honest genuine people who believethey are servng their country.

There is a huge pile of accumulated evdence by the FBI that points to hijackers. I am 100% convinced that the hijackers were on the flights in question. I have no idea whether they did the things after boarding the flights they are said to have done, but if there were NO hijackers at all how do you account for the CVR recording of United 93?

There are clearly Arab hijackers on that voice recording - and the families of the passengers listened to the tape and IDed their own family members.

So either the conspiracy gains yet another extra level of complication (and the more complicated any plot becomes the more likely it is to fail or be later exposed) with faked audio - or the tape is genuine.

The evidence points to there being hijackers on the planes - and a few posts by somerandom internet posters on a message board isn't going to convince me to change my views on this. Show me better evidence and I'll listen - but shouting about stuff in CAPS isn't helping.


The Pentagon was hit by a missile.


speculation thats not backed up with evidence, and in fact there is a lot of evidence to the contrary.


And as several of the passengers made mobile phone calls to their families there probably were no passengers on those planes either.
The two planes were flown by remote control and were drones.


so because the passengers made phone calls they weren't on the flights?

You are talking about old school mobile technology. It was possible to make phone calls from planes using technology of that era as the phones then had more powerful transmitters in them - these days phones are less powerful. Some 911 researches have taken mobiles onto planes flying simlar flight paths and made successful calls to the outside world from them - both in 2001 and recently.


You speak of back up plans?
Well the back ups were in place - preprepared fake news footage including faked video of the crashes,

Sorry if 175 for example misses it's target and crashes into manhattan then fake footage if it hitting WTC2 isn't going to wash is it. If you have gone to all the trouble of faking the footage - why use real planes at all?

[graflok]

graflok:

Why do you consider 911 to be "the most important false flag op of all time?"


I'd be happy to consider your ideas about false ops that you consider more
important than 9/11.


And say the plan hadn't worked out - lets say the hijackers missed the towers and the planes crashed in Manhattan instead and 77 missed the Pentagon.

There would still have been carnage - the govt could still have blamed the whole thing on Muslims - and could still have used it as a ticket in the publics mind for war on terror and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

... and if the plane crashed into the Hudson they could say Muslims
were trying to pollute our rivers, and if the hijackers flew the planes
to California they could say the Muslims were trying to infiltrate
the movie industry, and if the hijackers failed to hijack the planes
they could say the Muslims were trying to falsely upgrade their seating
to first class ...

Wow, that's brilliant. :rolleyes:


Is it not likely that there were backup contingency plans in the event that plan A didn't work out?
Who knows what plan B or plan C might have entailed - but if this was "the most important op of all time" then you can bet the farm that there were backups of somekind.

Yeah, they could have OJ Simpson attack the towers with a big knife and say he's
now a Muslim or maybe Cat Stevens would throw a guitar loaded with C4
into the towers and bring them both down while singing "Hail Islam" ...

Yeah, that's the ticket. :rolleyes:


I believe they got the "hijacker pilots" to kill themselves n exactly the same way they cajole suicide bombers into blowing htemselves up - give them all sorts of religious promises about 7 virgins and a deluxe heaven existance after death on earth or whatever it is they use. The mentality is the same, they just chose these guys to go out more spectacularly than a normal bomber.

Except these "pilots" would know it was all a scam and their actions would
cause Islam to be wrongly blamed for heinous crimes. They'd have to be
awfully drunk to believe that would get them into heaven, don't you think?

[graflok]

There is a huge pile of accumulated evdence by the FBI that points to hijackers.

There's a huge pile of something, all right. Only it doesn't smell like
evidence. :D