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ban freekmasons
05-10-2008, 10:24 AM
IS MASONIC TERROR BEHIND ORKNEY SHOOTING?

Exclusive: Orkney waiter shooting witness tells of death threat ordeal

THE witness who brought Orkney race-hate assassin Michael Ross to justice is being terrorised by death threats. William Grant ended the 14-year fight to nail the murderer of Bangladeshi waiter Shamsuddin Mahmood when he told how he saw 15-year-old Ross with a gun on the night of the shooting in 1994. But yesterday, William told the Record that some islanders have viciously turned on him since his evidence put Ross behind bars. And he admitted: "I wish now that I'd left it alone.

"I'm like a prisoner in my home. I don't go out at night. I'm too scared. "I feel like I'm on a very thin layer of ice."

Dad of four William, 51, added: "I've had quite a few death threats. The first was from a lad in his 20s in a pub. "As he walked by, he said, 'By the way, there's a price on your head.' "It was sheer fear, terror. Thankfully I was sitting down as my legs turned to jelly. "I got someone else to phone the police and went to the toilet and cried."

William also told how he was assaulted in a local supermarket by a woman he went to school with. He recalled: "She grabbedme by the arm and called me a few unprintable names. She made it clear it was to do with the court case." In a third incident, William was walking down a Kirkwall street when a man told him he would be "the next b****** to be shot". William says sinister letters have also been sent to his home in Stromness.

Ross's father Eddy claims his son is the innocent victim of a plot involving police and the freemasons. And a letter sent to William last week included a masonic emblem, along with his name and the name of an officer from the murder inquiry. William admits he had masonic links to the officer but strongly denies that freemasonry had anything to do with his decision to give evidence. He said he was stunned by the letter and felt threatened by it.

The letter was the second William had received. The first contained a press cutting from the trial, with his name highlighted. William said both letters were in the same type of envelope. He added: "They were both handwritten and it looked like someone had used the wrong hand." Northern Constabulary are investigating William's complaints. He says many islanders have backed his decision to testify.

William saw Ross with a gun in a public toilet in Kirkwall in June 1994, shortly before the assassin walked into the Mumutaz tandoori restaurant and shot Shamsuddin, 26, in the face in front of horrified diners. Ross didn't even know his victim. His only motive was racial hatred. He had been heard saying: "Blacks should be shot." Terrified by what he had seen, William kept silent for 12 years. Then, two years ago, he wrote an anonymous letter to police to tell them about his encounter with Ross.

A civilian police worker recognised him as he delivered the letter by hand and he was persuaded to give evidence in court. Ross, who joined the Black Watch after the murder and served as a sniper in Iraq, was convicted in June this year. After the verdict, he leapt from the dock and tried to escape through a side door as his counsel Donald Findlay QC yelled, "No Michael! No!"

Ross, now 30, was tackled by a court official and taken to the cells. He is due to be sentenced next month. The gunman's father, a policeman in Kirkwall at the time of the murder, has already served time in jail for helping him cover his tracks. Eddy Ross had a stash of bullets in his house of the type used in the shooting but failed to tell his bosses about them. He was jailed for four years in 1997 for hindering the investigation.

Source: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/09/18/exclusive-orkney-waiter-shooting-witness-tells-of-death-threat-ordeal-86908-20741306/

keystone
05-10-2008, 03:58 PM
IS MASONIC TERROR BEHIND ORKNEY SHOOTING?

That's NOT what the article says Joe. Can't you read?

Items 20 and 22 on your list for this one!

ban freekmasons
05-10-2008, 07:44 PM
That's NOT what the article says Joe. Can't you read?

Items 20 and 22 on your list for this one!

as long as you believe you are dealing with joe that's fine
now get back behind the curtains masonic keystone "UKANT" read either :p

keystone
05-10-2008, 08:39 PM
as long as you believe you are dealing with joe that's fineSo who are you? Hiding behind the curtains!

now get back behind the curtains masonic keystone "UKANT" read either :pNow if you don't think that I'm fully aware of what you mean by UKANT then hard luck. It's offensive in the extreme and I'm reporting your post accordingly.

OK then lets see if you can read. Who's the victim in the death threat stakes in this story?

runciter
05-10-2008, 08:45 PM
Now if you don't think that I'm fully aware of what you mean by UKANT then hard luck.


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mike martin
06-10-2008, 01:10 AM
as long as you believe you are dealing with joe that's fine
now get back behind the curtains masonic keystone "UKANT" read either :p

I think you'll find that you are pointing the finger at the wrong person!

Your title asks whether Masonic terror is behind the shooting. You then go on to reproduce an article where a racist murderer has been brought to justice by evidence provided by a Freemason.

What you also fail to highlight properly (or maybe you just didn't read to the end) is that Ross's Father (the only person blaming the Masons) was jailed for 4 years in 1997 for trying to beat the ends of justice when he tried to cover up the fact that he had ammunition (same as that used to murder Shamsuddin Mahmood) in his house.

You should maybe try and read a bit more widely:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/06/21/the-cold-blooded-teenage-killer-that-went-on-to-guard-the-queen-and-become-an-army-hero-86908-20615800/


http://www.irr.org.uk/2008/july/ha000014.html
Following the murder, police officers were drafted in from the mainland and every person going in and out of Kirkwall was identified and every house visited. Eddie Ross guarded the murder scene and identified the type of bullet (9mm) used in the shooting. However, he failed to mention that he owned bullets similar to the one used in the shooting - which were highly unusual. Ross was tasked with checking all the 9mm weapons on the island; he concluded that none would be capable of firing the fatal shot. Then, two months after the murder, Eddie Ross approached the senior investigating officer and told him that he owned a box of the bullets of the type which were used in the shooting. He claimed he had only one box, however, James Spence, a former Royal Marine, claimed that he had given Ross two boxes of ammunition.

Michael Ross became the main suspect and a search of his home found a balaclava and a notebook in his bedroom with a swastika and SS symbol on it. But Ross alleged that he was in another part of Orkney when the murder took place. Ross was questioned and released as police did not have enough evidence to charge him.

On 13 March 1995, Eddie Ross was suspended from duty and in May 1997 was found guilty of attempting to pervert the course of justice and sentenced to four years in prison. At his trial, his son was officially named as the main suspect in the murder of Shamsuddin Mahmood.


So let me see.... Masons or just a nasty little racist who got his hands on a gun?? Hmmmm, yes it must be the Masons, you berk.

Mike

ban freekmasons
06-10-2008, 08:49 AM
Now if you don't think that I'm fully aware of what you mean by UKANT then hard luck. It's offensive in the extreme and I'm reporting your post accordingly.
That's right mason keystone, run along and tell teacher as you continue to hide behind the curtains. Absolute coward. It's OK for you and your gang of masonic crooks to go phishing on ACP, so we'll play your game with ex-masons on board. We all leave messages to be typed. Ex-tyler says hello kidneystone, how's Lesley ?



So let me see.... Masons or just a nasty little racist who got his hands on a gun?? Hmmmm, yes it must be the Masons, you berk.

Mike

Mike aka?, my dear boy, UKANT (quote from ex-mason) go round insulting people or your masonic brother keystone aka? will report you.

jacob sladder
06-10-2008, 09:39 AM
That's right mason keystone, run along and tell teacher as you continue to hide behind the curtains. Absolute coward. It's OK for you and your gang of masonic crooks to go phishing on ACP, so we'll play your game with ex-masons on board. We all leave messages to be typed. Ex-tyler says hello kidneystone, how's Lesley ?



Mike aka?, my dear boy, UKANT (quote from ex-mason) go round insulting people or your masonic brother keystone aka? will report you.


What does this term mean? Or do you mean 'Fishing' ? :confused:

tylerstoast
06-10-2008, 10:39 PM
What does this term mean? Or do you mean 'Fishing' ? :confused:

The term phishing is associated with fake emails that try to direct you to a fake login screen in order to capture your details - typically banks and e-bay and the like, just another form of malicious spam.

i`m more concerned with the comment :-
Ex-tyler says hello kidneystone, how's Lesley ?I hope good old JS isn`t using underhand tactics and personal info to try and intimidate people - that would be bad form !

Of course that quote could mean anything where this guy is concerned.

I`m sure he could count up the number of letters in my post and make some evil wikipedia link from it to prove I`m the devils third cousins wifes sisters boy.....

keystone
07-10-2008, 01:43 AM
That's right mason keystone, run along and tell teacher as you continue to hide behind the curtains. Absolute coward. It's OK for you and your gang of masonic crooks to go phishing on ACP, so we'll play your game with ex-masons on board. We all leave messages to be typed. Ex-tyler says hello kidneystone, how's Lesley ?She's extremely well - when I last spoke with her that is. Have I got you a teensy bit rattled Joe? You still haven't rang me BTW. Why so reticent? Or are you just going to hide behind the keyboard? And you, who are more than pne person using the same screen name call me a coward. Pish!

Mike aka?, my dear boy, UKANT (quote from ex-mason) go round insulting people or your masonic brother keystone aka? will report you.Don't be so silly. If you have an interpretation for UKANT that I don't so be it. I don't recognise it. I thought you were saying U C..T to me - that's why I reported your post for gratuitous offensiveness - and also spamming BTW.