The brick wall of cancer

[llogun]

After getting rid of my symptoms of cancer i decieded to put a advert in my local paper to help people with cancer to make them aware how you can get cancer and how you can get rid of it. I read the advert out to the person to put in the paper and as soon as i said the word cancer he said i cant use the word cancer. I said why, and he said because it would upset to many people. I said your joking . He said no. I told him that was not the reason why i cant use the word cancer. I told him that people are not meant to know the real truth about cancer and that its all about money.

I thought i would try and get some sponsership from some heath shops where i buy my supplements products from that i buy for cancer so i could put a advert in the paper. Its £55 for a advert. When i read there disclamer on the product that they sell the disclamer is nearly a page long i would not stand a chance getting any sponsership from them.

People are so programed by the people at the top its a brick wall to try and get the info out there. I put a advert in my local shop. The response from some of the people that go in the shop were they think im mad and the only way to get rid of cancer is by having chemo radiation and a operation. Thats why every 4 minuets some one dies in this country of cancer.

Well i will keep trying

[deafbred]

my aunt has cancer - she isn't taking chemo or anything like that from 'the doctors' ------ some of her family are trying to convince her to 'take the doctors advice' and use their treatments. She refuses though and is going about her own way to defeat the cancer.

[lookfar]

After getting rid of my symptoms of cancer i decieded to put a advert in my local paper to help people with cancer to make them aware how you can get cancer and how you can get rid of it. I read the advert out to the person to put in the paper and as soon as i said the word cancer he said i cant use the word cancer. I said why, and he said because it would upset to many people. I said your joking . He said no. I told him that was not the reason why i cant use the word cancer. I told him that people are not meant to know the real truth about cancer and that its all about money.

I thought i would try and get some sponsership from some heath shops where i buy my supplements products from that i buy for cancer so i could put a advert in the paper. Its £55 for a advert. When i read there disclamer on the product that they sell the disclamer is nearly a page long i would not stand a chance getting any sponsership from them.

People are so programed by the people at the top its a brick wall to try and get the info out there. I put a advert in my local shop. The response from some of the people that go in the shop were they think im mad and the only way to get rid of cancer is by having chemo radiation and a operation. Thats why every 4 minuets some one dies in this country of cancer.

Well i will keep trying

Hi llogun

I'm so pleased to hear you've managed to rid yourself of this, that's excellent news honey, well done!!:D

Good onya for wanting to share the information with others as well, I hope you get to reach them, despite being blocked by the shops/media etc. Keep trying other means though, word of mouth is always a good way. Please, whatever you do, don't let them stop you getting the info out, I believe there's a huge amount of people who are desperate for alternative ways to beat this rather than the normal radiotherapy/chemo approach.

Is it possible for you to put all the information on a thread here? That would get to reach a good amount of people for a start.

[llogun]

Like you say lookfar i know there are people who need help out there. It drives me mad not being able to contact these people. I wont give up thou and im sure the law of attraction will play a big part in me bumping into these people. I will put down what ive learnt about cancer later tonight

[lookfar]

Like you say lookfar i know there are people who need help out there. It drives me mad not being able to contact these people. I wont give up thou and im sure the law of attraction will play a big part in me bumping into these people. I will put down what ive learnt about cancer later tonight

Great stuff llogun, I'm sure the people who need it most will appear in your life (or you theres) at just the right time. Thanks, your info will reach a huge amount of people if you post if on here too...:)

[llogun]

Great stuff llogun, I'm sure the people who need it most will appear in your life (or you theres) at just the right time. Thanks, your info will reach a huge amount of people if you post if on here too...:)
Well after all the the research i have done on cancer this is what i have found out why we get ill and get cancer. When we are born our body is in a alkaline condition and this is how are body’s are meant to be all the time alkaline. Your body also puts out 3 volts of electricity controlled by the brain and pumped around the body by the heart because your body works on electrical signals. you also have a immune system which is made up of cells organs and tissues. All 3 of these work hand in hand to keeping you healthy. When your body is in this condition you will struggle to get a cold. There’s a lot involved what i am going to say now, infact you could write a book on it so i will keep it basic because im a basic person so dont have a go at me if i have missed some things out.
The main reasons why we get ill is because are body’s have become acidic. There is 3 stages to this, beginning middle and advanced of a acid body. Beginning feeling tired headaches etc middle colds and flu Candia etc advanced cancers arthritis etc. this is just a small few but gives you a idea of how having a acid body works. The more acidic your body is the worse you will be. Now there are many reasons how your body becomes acidic. Most of it is what we put in our mouth.

When i got cancer i started to eat a lot of fish thinking it was good for me and dont get me wrong fish is good for you but not when you have got cancer and trying to get rid of cancer your self. The reason, it is very acidic. in fact once i started looking at food i couldn’t believe what food was acidic and alkaline. Apart from most fruit and veg which is alkaline everything els is acidic. There are list you can get of the internet of food to tell you what’s alkaline and acidic. So what can make your body acidic. Most foods toxins and the big one stress. acid will create even more acid in your body.

There may be things i have missed on here but i am just trying to get to the point. So why do people get cancer. From what i have learnt 99.9% of people who get cancer get cancer because there body is in a advanced acidic condition.

your ph of the blood must remain alkaline
Your body regulates its pH just like it regulates its temperature. In doing so, it will even create stress on other tissues or body systems if it must.
Since your blood MUST maintain a very narrow pH range of 7.365 To 7.40, your body will do all sorts of things in order to deal with excess acidity.
It will flush excess acids into fat cells (which is why you can't seem to lose those extra pounds)....
Or, perhaps, it will leach calcium (an alkaline mineral) from your bones in order to neutralize acids.
Your body will also stress tissues by flushing acids into them (as is the case with gout) because it can't dump these acids into the bloodstream (which must remain alkaline or you'd die).
Simply stated, chronic over acidity will interrupt all cellular activities and functions - it interferes with life itself.
When the pH of your body becomes (too acidic), you may experience low energy, fatigue, excess weight, poor digestion, aches and pains, and even more serious disorders like cancer


Once your body is like this your immune system will be low and the 3 volts that go around your body to help cell communication don’t work so well. What happens is your cells live of off oxygen and they need this to live. Once your body becomes in a advanced acidic condition. Oxygen starts to deplete in the body and certain cells that get starved of oxygen. once it is starved of oxygen The prime cause of cancer is the replacement of oxygen in normal body cells by a fermentation of sugar. All normal body cells meet their energy needs by respiration of oxygen, whereas cancer cells meet their energy needs in great part by fermentation.
As the cells in the body become more and more acidic the body is able to take up less oxygen creating the conditions for cancer cells to develop. This all stops cell communication in the fermented cell Cancer cells produce excess lactic acid as they ferment energy. Lactic acid is toxic, and tends to prevent the transport of oxygen into neighbouring normal cells. Over time as these cells replicate, the cancer may spread if not destroyed by the immune system. so this is how cancer can start in your body.What the doctors don’t tell you when you have cancer is not to eat sugar. Sugar feeds cancer and makes it grow biopsys can spread cancer around your body. If you ever get cancer dont panic i will give the websites you can go to, to get supplements and get your body back into a alkaline body. One thing i would like to say about cancer. You have to hit cancer with as many supplements as you can because cancer wont mess around when you have it. B17 and other supplements do work but ,when you are taking these supplements when your body is in a acidic condition its like washind dishes in dirty water. One of the main ways to get your body back into a alkaline condition is to eat alkaline foods and drink alkaline water with bh booster in it. the ph booster as got ions in it that will amplify the eletrons in your body so it will give you better cell comunication.What makes me mad about all this. CANCER CANT LIVE IN A ALKALINE BODY. so why are they giving us chemo etc and not telling us this information. Its all about money. Theres loads more to tell but basically this is why we get cancer. Detox is a must ive been useing oxye which will detox you and put oxygen back into the cells but there is loads of supplements you can get of the website that are all good. these are the websites below
Be healthy

http://www.cancerfightingstrategies.com/causes.html
http://ph-ion.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=205

[red_ram]

This links in with what has been stated in the Hay System diet book. The body must be kept in an alkaline state and fed with alkaline food.

I'm going to do more research on this but take a look for yourself if you have the time and see what you think.

Also, well done on beating the cancer and trying to get the word out.

[eyepod]

After getting rid of my symptoms of cancer i decieded to put a advert in my local paper to help people with cancer to make them aware how you can get cancer and how you can get rid of it. I read the advert out to the person to put in the paper and as soon as i said the word cancer he said i cant use the word cancer. I said why, and he said because it would upset to many people. I said your joking . He said no. I told him that was not the reason why i cant use the word cancer. I told him that people are not meant to know the real truth about cancer and that its all about money.

I thought i would try and get some sponsership from some heath shops where i buy my supplements products from that i buy for cancer so i could put a advert in the paper. Its £55 for a advert. When i read there disclamer on the product that they sell the disclamer is nearly a page long i would not stand a chance getting any sponsership from them.

People are so programed by the people at the top its a brick wall to try and get the info out there. I put a advert in my local shop. The response from some of the people that go in the shop were they think im mad and the only way to get rid of cancer is by having chemo radiation and a operation. Thats why every 4 minuets some one dies in this country of cancer.

Well i will keep trying

Well done for beating it and trying to get the truth out. I found out about the acid / alkali situation quite awhile back after getting acidosis which was pretty scarey. Long story which I won't go into here but luckily I realised what it was straight away and treated it with alot of alkaline food, supplements etc.

The acid / alkaki thing sparked my interest and I later found out how it ties in with the cancer situation. One thing I did find out was that lemon juice from a freshly squeezed lemon is a powerful alkalizer. It sounds strange because it is citric acid but the body rapidly turns it alkaline.

I also remember about hearing about how Cancer does not like an oxygen rich environment as you stated. Do you know anything about taking Hydrogen Peroxide (yeah thats hair bleach to you blondies ;)) i.e. H2O2 almost the same chemical forumla as water with an extra oxygen molecule. You can get 5% food grade H2O2 and apparently the body breaks it down to water (H2O) with the extra oxygen molecule being used by the body.

Do you know anything about that?

http://educate-yourself.org/cancer/benefitsofhydrogenperozide17jul03.shtml

[eyepod]

This links in with what has been stated in the Hay System diet book. The body must be kept in an alkaline state and fed with alkaline food.

I'm going to do more research on this but take a look for yourself if you have the time and see what you think.

Also, well done on beating the cancer and trying to get the word out.

I did follow the hay diet for awhile because when you look at the theory it makes a lot of sense and in practise it does to. The basic premise is - don't mix foods that fight i.e. proteins and carbs are both acid forming but require a different environment to be digested efficiently. Whereas alkaline forming veg etc. is neutral in terms of digestion. So meals should consist of protein / veg or carbs / veg but not protein and carbs together.

I did feel pretty good doing this but the only problem was I found it quite difficult to follow as I would need to eat more often as I was hungry alot more often as the stomach became so highly efficient at digesting everything. It certainly puts alot less strain on digestion though.

[red_ram]

One thing I did find out was that lemon juice from a freshly squeezed lemon is a powerful alkalizer. It sounds strange because it is citric acid but the body rapidly turns it alkaline.



Indeed. The fruit might seem acidic but it leaves an alkaline ash in the body which raises the alkali level.

[stelios]

CANCER CANT LIVE IN A ALKALINE BODY
Well done for posting this up.
I do agree with most of what you have said.
But ofcourse this is the key to it.

Personally i got some testing strips and every month check my ph level.
One thing you forgot to mention was caesium chloride and coral calcium. These are probably the best body alkalizer supplements.

Drinking RO purified water with a few drops of food grade hydrogen peroxide.

And if diagnosed with cancer drinking colloidal platinum - you can make it yourself by passing a small current through a platinum electrode into a glass of RO filtered water

But i agree with most of what you are saying.

Beware.
People have gone to prison for claiming to cure people of cancer.
So that is why you must simply not say you are curng people rather re phrase it like 'improve well being'

[llogun]

Well done for beating it and trying to get the truth out. I found out about the acid / alkali situation quite awhile back after getting acidosis which was pretty scarey. Long story which I won't go into here but luckily I realised what it was straight away and treated it with alot of alkaline food, supplements etc.

The acid / alkaki thing sparked my interest and I later found out how it ties in with the cancer situation. One thing I did find out was that lemon juice from a freshly squeezed lemon is a powerful alkalizer. It sounds strange because it is citric acid but the body rapidly turns it alkaline.

I also remember about hearing about how Cancer does not like an oxygen rich environment as you stated. Do you know anything about taking Hydrogen Peroxide (yeah thats hair bleach to you blondies ;)) i.e. H2O2 almost the same chemical forumla as water with an extra oxygen molecule. You can get 5% food grade H2O2 and apparently the body breaks it down to water (H2O) with the extra oxygen molecule being used by the body.

Do you know anything about that?

http://educate-yourself.org/cancer/benefitsofhydrogenperozide17jul03.shtml

I have lemon juice every day and i take a product called oxye which detoxes the cells and puts oxygen into them at the same time

[llogun]

Well done for posting this up.
I do agree with most of what you have said.
But ofcourse this is the key to it.

Personally i got some testing strips and every month check my ph level.
One thing you forgot to mention was caesium chloride and coral calcium. These are probably the best body alkalizer supplements.

Drinking RO purified water with a few drops of food grade hydrogen peroxide.

And if diagnosed with cancer drinking colloidal platinum - you can make it yourself by passing a small current through a platinum electrode into a glass of RO filtered water

But i agree with most of what you are saying.

Beware.
People have gone to prison for claiming to cure people of cancer.
So that is why you must simply not say you are curng people rather re phrase it like 'improve well being'

Yes i now know you cant use the word cancer and i know i cant cure people of cancer but i can show them the door and im going to try my best to do that.Cancer is a big con and the drug companies are making loads of money on the back of cancer. Ive had a few arguments with the consultant that wanted to rip my arse out and sow it up and give me a bag. I caught him out on a few lies. 1 he told me the tumor was 6 centermeters in size 2 i told him i had research cancer on the internet and spoke to people all round the who have got rid of it by natral means. one day i got hold of my notes and had a sneaky look. I found out that 1 the tumor was not 6 centermeters in size it was 21 mil so he lied to me how big it was. 2 he wrote in my notes i met 2 blokes in a pub who i had never met before and we started talking about cancer and they told me about b17 that can kill cancer.So he lied about this as well so when another doctor looks at my notes it looks like its some back street information from a pub

[llogun]

Heres a food list i use.

...ALKALINE FOODS... ...ACIDIC FOODS...
ALKALIZING
VEGETABLES
Alfalfa
Barley Grass
Beets
Beet Greens
Broccoli
Cabbage
Carrot
Cauliflower
Celery
Chard Greens
Chlorella
Collard Greens
Cucumber
Dandelions
Dulce
Edible Flowers
Eggplant
Fermented Veggies
Garlic
Green Beans
Green Peas
Kale
Kohlrabi
Lettuce
Mushrooms
Mustard Greens
Nightshade Veggies
Onions
Parsnips (high glycemic)
Peas
Peppers
Pumpkin
Radishes
Rutabaga
Sea Veggies
Spinach, green
Spirulina
Sprouts
Sweet Potatoes
Tomatoes
Watercress
Wheat Grass
Wild Greens

ALKALIZING
ORIENTAL VEGETABLES
Maitake
Daikon
Dandelion Root
Shitake
Kombu
Reishi
Nori
Umeboshi
Wakame

ALKALIZING
FRUITS
Apple
Apricot
Avocado
Banana (high glycemic)
Berries
Blackberries
Cantaloupe
Cherries, sour
Coconut, fresh
Currants
Dates, dried
Figs, dried
Grapes
Grapefruit
Honeydew Melon
Lemon
Lime
Muskmelons
Nectarine
Orange
Peach
Pear
Pineapple
Raisins
Raspberries
Rhubarb
Strawberries
Tangerine
Tomato
Tropical Fruits
Umeboshi Plums
Watermelon

ALKALIZING
PROTEIN
Almonds
Chestnuts
Millet
Tempeh (fermented)
Tofu (fermented)
Whey Protein Powder

ALKALIZING
SWEETENERS
Stevia

ALKALIZING
SPICES & SEASONINGS
Cinnamon
Curry
Ginger
Mustard
Chili Pepper
Sea Salt
Miso
Tamari
All Herbs

ALKALIZING
OTHER
Apple Cider Vinegar
Bee Pollen
Lecithin Granules
Molasses, blackstrap
Probiotic Cultures
Soured Dairy Products
Green Juices
Veggie Juices
Fresh Fruit Juice
Mineral Water
Alkaline Antioxidant Water

ALKALIZING MINERALS
Cesium: pH 14
Potassium: pH 14
Sodium: pH 14
Calcium: pH 12
Magnesium: pH 9


Although it might seem that citrus fruits would have an acidifying effect on the body, the citric acid they contain actually has an alkalinizing effect in the system. ACIDIFYING
VEGETABLES
Corn
Lentils
Olives
Winter Squash

ACIDIFYING
FRUITS
Blueberries
Canned or Glazed Fruits
Cranberries
Currants
Plums**
Prunes**

ACIDIFYING
GRAINS, GRAIN PRODUCTS
Amaranth
Barley
Bran, wheat
Bran, oat
Corn
Cornstarch
Hemp Seed Flour
Kamut
Oats (rolled)
Oatmeal
Quinoa
Rice (all)
Rice Cakes
Rye
Spelt
Wheat
Wheat Germ
Noodles
Macaroni
Spaghetti
Bread
Crackers, soda
Flour, white
Flour, wheat

ACIDIFYING
BEANS & LEGUMES
Black Beans
Chick Peas
Green Peas
Kidney Beans
Lentils
Pinto Beans
Red Beans
Soy Beans
Soy Milk
White Beans
Rice Milk
Almond Milk

ACIDIFYING
DAIRY
Butter
Cheese
Cheese, Processed
Ice Cream
Ice Milk

ACIDIFYING
NUTS & BUTTERS
Cashews
Legumes
Peanuts
Peanut Butter
Pecans
Tahini
Walnuts

ACIDIFYING
ANIMAL PROTEIN
Bacon
Beef
Carp
Clams
Cod
Corned Beef
Fish
Haddock
Lamb
Lobster
Mussels
Organ Meats
Oyster
Pike
Pork
Rabbit
Salmon
Sardines
Sausage
Scallops
Shrimp
Scallops
Shellfish
Tuna
Turkey
Veal
Venison

ACIDIFYING
FATS & OILS
Avacado Oil
Butter
Canola Oil
Corn Oil
Hemp Seed Oil
Flax Oil
Lard
Olive Oil
Safflower Oil
Sesame Oil
Sunflower Oil

ACIDIFYING
SWEETENERS
Carob
Sugar
Corn Syrup

ACIDIFYING
ALCOHOL
Beer
Spirits
Hard Liquor
Wine

ACIDIFYING
OTHER FOODS
Catsup
Cocoa
Coffee
Vinegar
Mustard
Pepper
Soft Drinks

ACIDIFYING
DRUGS & CHEMICALS
Aspirin
Chemicals
Drugs, Medicinal
Drugs, Psychedelic
Pesticides
Herbicides
Tobacco

ACIDIFYING
JUNK FOOD
Coca-Cola: pH 2
Beer: pH 2.5
Coffee: pH 4


** These foods leave an alkaline ash but have an acidifying effect on the body.
UNKNOWN:
There are several versions of the Acidic and Alkaline Food chart to be found in different books and on the Internet. The following foods are sometimes attributed to the Acidic side of the chart and sometimes to the Alkaline side. Remember, you don't need to adhere strictly to the Alkaline side of the chart, just make sure a good percentage of the foods you eat come from that side.
Asparagus
Brazil Nuts
Brussel Sprouts
Buckwheat
Chicken
Corn
Cottage Cheese
Eggs
Flax Seeds
Green Tea
Herbal Tea
Honey
Kombucha
Lima Beans Maple Syrup
Milk
Nuts
Organic Milk
(unpasteurized)
Potatoes, white
Pumpkin Seeds
Sauerkraut
Soy Products
Sprouted Seeds
Squashes
Sunflower Seeds
Yogurt
* These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease; research is ongoing.

Ranked Foods: Alkaline to Acidic
Here's a chart that ranks foods from most alkaline to most acidic.
Extremely Alkaline
________________________________________
Lemons, Watermelon
Alkaline Forming
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Cantaloupe, Cayenne Celery, Dates, Figs, Kelp, Limes, Mango, Melons, Papaya, Parsley, Seaweeds, Seedless Grapes (sweet), Watercress
________________________________________
Asparagus, Fruit Juices, Grapes (sweet), Kiwifruit, Passionfruit, Pears (sweet), Pineapple, Raisins, Umeboshi Plums, Vegetable Juices
Moderately Alkaline
________________________________________
Apples (sweet), Alfalfa Sprouts, Apricots, Avocados, Bananas (ripe), Currants, Dates, Figs (fresh), Garlic, Grapefruit, Grapes (less sweet), Guavas, Herbs (leafy green), Lettuce (leafy green), Nectarine, Peaches (sweet), Pears (less sweet), Peas (fresh, sweet), Pumpkin (sweet), Sea Salt (vegetable)

Apples (sour), Beans (fresh, green), Beets, Bell Peppers, Broccoli, Cabbage, Carob, Cauliflower, Ginger (fresh), Grapes (sour), Lettuce (pale green), Oranges, Peaches (less sweet), Peas (less sweet), Potatoes (with skin), Pumpkin (less sweet), Raspberries, Strawberries, Squash, Sweet Corn (fresh), Turnip, Vinegar (apple cider)
Slightly Alkaline
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Almonds, Artichokes (Jerusalem), Brussel Sprouts, Cherries, Coconut (fresh), Cucumbers, Eggplant, Honey (raw), Leeks, Mushrooms, Okra, Olives (ripe), Onions, Pickles (homemade), Radishes, Sea Salt, Spices, Tomatoes (sweet), Vinegar (sweet brown rice)
________________________________________
Chestnuts (dry, roasted), Egg Yolks (soft cooked), Essene Bread, Goat's Milk and Whey (raw), Mayonnaise (homemade), Olive Oil, Sesame Seeds (whole), Soy Beans (dry), Soy Cheese, Soy Milk, Sprouted Grains, Tofu, Tomatoes (less sweet), Yeast (nutritional flakes)
Neutral
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Butter (fresh, unsalted), Cream (fresh, raw), Cow's Milk and Whey (raw), Margine, Oils (except olive), Yogurt (plain)
Moderately Acidic
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Bananas (green), Barley (rye), Blueberries, Bran, Butter, Cereals (unrefined), Cheeses, Crackers (unrefined rye, rice and wheat), Cranberries, Dried Beans (mung, adzuki, pinto, kidney, garbanzo), Dry Coconut, Egg Whites, Eggs Whole (cooked hard), Fructose, Goat's Milk (homogenized), Honey (pasteurized), Ketchup, Maple Syrup (unprocessed), Milk (homogenized), Molasses (unsulferd and organic), Most Nuts, Mustard, Oats (rye, organic), Olives (pickled), Pasta (whole grain), Pastry (whole grain and honey), Plums, Popcorn (with salt and/or butter), Potatoes, Prunes, Rice (basmati and brown), Seeds (pumpkin, sunflower), Soy Sauce, Wheat Bread (sprouted organic)
Extremely Acidic
________________________________________
Artificial Sweeteners, Beef, Beer, Breads, Brown Sugar, Carbonated Soft Drinks, Cereals (refined), Chocolate, Cigarettes and Tobacco, Coffee, Cream of Wheat (unrefined), Custard (with white sugar), Deer, Drugs, Fish, Flour (white wheat), Fruit Juices with Sugar, Jams, Jellies, Lamb, Liquor, Maple Syrup (processed), Molasses (sulphured), Pasta (white), Pastries and Cakes from White Flour, Pickles (commercial), Pork, Poultry, Seafood, Sugar (white), Table Salt (refined and iodized), Tea (black), White Bread, White Vinegar (processed), Whole Wheat Foods, Wine, Yogurt (sweetened)

[trooper]

Excellent thread llogun, you're gonna help lots of people with this. Did you eat your food raw, cooked or both?

Does anyone know of a good place to buy ph strips in the UK?

[llogun]

Excellent thread llogun, you're gonna help lots of people with this. Did you eat your food raw, cooked or both?

Does anyone know of a good place to buy ph strips in the UK?

I cook my veg but only slightly and i drink any juice that came out of them. i did do juicing but made every excuse up not to do it. I was fed up of cleaning the machine but really juicing is a must. The ph strips i get from the usa with my water boosters. When you have cancer it can take months to get it back to alkaline but worth it in the end.

[trooper]

Anyone heard of using Bicarbonate of Soda to alkalize the body?

[indigowarrior]

BUMP
but do check out other lists of acid/ alkaline foods as they sometimes have some differing opinions, also check out yin / yang diet which is very similar and might help to classify foods you are not sure of.

[jamesk]

Hi llogun,

good posts....

yes, the cause of cancer has been well known fo a long time - Dr Otto Warburg got the Noble price in medicine for showing that the Primary cause of all cancer is acidity and lack of oxygen in the effected areas. But cancer is big money inustry - billions and billions of dollars and the simple truth gets ignored!

Alkaline ionized water is a great, relatively inexpensive way to alkalize, hydrate, mineralize and detoxify the body.

[llogun]

Hi llogun,

good posts....

yes, the cause of cancer has been well known fo a long time - Dr Otto Warburg got the Noble price in medicine for showing that the Primary cause of all cancer is acidity and lack of oxygen in the effected areas. But cancer is big money inustry - billions and billions of dollars and the simple truth gets ignored!

Alkaline ionized water is a great, relatively inexpensive way to alkalize, hydrate, mineralize and detoxify the body.

Just to let you people know ive just been on jamesk website you can click on it in is post above mine. Its very good and got some great info on there on cancer detoxing and heath NICE WEBSITE

[2013]

Excellent thread llogun .
gatherig info together at least here you can be heard .You are getting thru to people just by relating your story .Prevention is better than cure.So im sure this will help lots of people balance their bodies and remain healthy.Keep on keeping on ,your doing a good job :D

[thelucifer]

QUOTE=lookfar;537595]Great stuff llogun, I'm sure the people who need it most will appear in your life (or you theres) at just the right time. Thanks, your info will reach a huge amount of people if you post if on here too...:)
Well after all the the research i have done on cancer this is what i have found out why we get ill and get cancer. When we are born our body is in a alkaline condition and this is how are body’s are meant to be all the time alkaline. Your body also puts out 3 volts of electricity controlled by the brain and pumped around the body by the heart because your body works on electrical signals. you also have a immune system which is made up of cells organs and tissues. All 3 of these work hand in hand to keeping you healthy. When your body is in this condition you will struggle to get a cold. There’s a lot involved what i am going to say now, infact you could write a book on it so i will keep it basic because im a basic person so dont have a go at me if i have missed some things out.
The main reasons why we get ill is because are body’s have become acidic. There is 3 stages to this, beginning middle and advanced of a acid body. Beginning feeling tired headaches etc middle colds and flu Candia etc advanced cancers arthritis etc. this is just a small few but gives you a idea of how having a acid body works. The more acidic your body is the worse you will be. Now there are many reasons how your body becomes acidic. Most of it is what we put in our mouth.

When i got cancer i started to eat a lot of fish thinking it was good for me and dont get me wrong fish is good for you but not when you have got cancer and trying to get rid of cancer your self. The reason, it is very acidic. in fact once i started looking at food i couldn’t believe what food was acidic and alkaline. Apart from most fruit and veg which is alkaline everything els is acidic. There are list you can get of the internet of food to tell you what’s alkaline and acidic. So what can make your body acidic. Most foods toxins and the big one stress. acid will create even more acid in your body.

There may be things i have missed on here but i am just trying to get to the point. So why do people get cancer. From what i have learnt 99.9% of people who get cancer get cancer because there body is in a advanced acidic condition.

your ph of the blood must remain alkaline
Your body regulates its pH just like it regulates its temperature. In doing so, it will even create stress on other tissues or body systems if it must.
Since your blood MUST maintain a very narrow pH range of 7.365 To 7.40, your body will do all sorts of things in order to deal with excess acidity.
It will flush excess acids into fat cells (which is why you can't seem to lose those extra pounds)....
Or, perhaps, it will leach calcium (an alkaline mineral) from your bones in order to neutralize acids.
Your body will also stress tissues by flushing acids into them (as is the case with gout) because it can't dump these acids into the bloodstream (which must remain alkaline or you'd die).
Simply stated, chronic over acidity will interrupt all cellular activities and functions - it interferes with life itself.
When the pH of your body becomes (too acidic), you may experience low energy, fatigue, excess weight, poor digestion, aches and pains, and even more serious disorders like cancer


Once your body is like this your immune system will be low and the 3 volts that go around your body to help cell communication don’t work so well. What happens is your cells live of off oxygen and they need this to live. Once your body becomes in a advanced acidic condition. Oxygen starts to deplete in the body and certain cells that get starved of oxygen. once it is starved of oxygen The prime cause of cancer is the replacement of oxygen in normal body cells by a fermentation of sugar. All normal body cells meet their energy needs by respiration of oxygen, whereas cancer cells meet their energy needs in great part by fermentation.
As the cells in the body become more and more acidic the body is able to take up less oxygen creating the conditions for cancer cells to develop. This all stops cell communication in the fermented cell Cancer cells produce excess lactic acid as they ferment energy. Lactic acid is toxic, and tends to prevent the transport of oxygen into neighbouring normal cells. Over time as these cells replicate, the cancer may spread if not destroyed by the immune system. so this is how cancer can start in your body.What the doctors don’t tell you when you have cancer is not to eat sugar. Sugar feeds cancer and makes it grow biopsys can spread cancer around your body. If you ever get cancer dont panic i will give the websites you can go to, to get supplements and get your body back into a alkaline body. One thing i would like to say about cancer. You have to hit cancer with as many supplements as you can because cancer wont mess around when you have it. B17 and other supplements do work but ,when you are taking these supplements when your body is in a acidic condition its like washind dishes in dirty water. One of the main ways to get your body back into a alkaline condition is to eat alkaline foods and drink alkaline water with bh booster in it. the ph booster as got ions in it that will amplify the eletrons in your body so it will give you better cell comunication.What makes me mad about all this. CANCER CANT LIVE IN A ALKALINE BODY. so why are they giving us chemo etc and not telling us this information. Its all about money. Theres loads more to tell but basically this is why we get cancer. Detox is a must ive been useing oxye which will detox you and put oxygen back into the cells but there is loads of supplements you can get of the website that are all good. these are the websites below
Be healthy

http://www.cancerfightingstrategies.com/causes.html
http://ph-ion.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=205


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28652

Its always good to see people learning truth.

[tootrue]

:( people are not meant to know the real truth about cancer



Thats it llogun! Very true!
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In my viewe the primary cause of cancer is inner soul/consciousness Imbalance.

It is the conflict within ourselves that causes cancers!
No, this is not some 'spiritual crap'! It is a fact that emotions affect our body's electric circuit, which in turn has an effect on our physical bodies.

All supressed emotions have the capacity to develop into cancers! It is emotions, such as inner guilt, resentment and inner anger, that make us ill

Some people would just explode, smash things and let it out!
Others would keep it in, and get ill!!
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But as you mentioned, our 'Science' and medicine, would have none of the facts!

[cheesedanish]

Thanks for the thread Llogun !
My husband just finished his chemo 3 months ago - after a difficult year of
Chemo, Radiation and Operations!
Yes its definitely a money making industry - the costs are astronomical.
Luckily we have a good medical aid.

The Oncology ward has just increased in size to a Bigger Unit so they
are anticipating a lot more patients in future!
Unfortunately my Husband wanted to follow the medical route to treat
his cancer. I don't think he has dealt with the emotional side of his
illness.

I also wonder some days how accurate are these tests that say you
have 'Cancer' how can we know for sure if that is really cancer or not?
We just blindly accept what Doctors say.

Well done on your journey so far.

[cheesedanish]

One more thing ... when he finished his Op they did a CT scan which
showed Cancer clear. They still put him on 6 months of Chemotherapy
as 'precaution'. I personally would not do it - but He followed what
Oncologist suggested. Why still do the Chemo when the scan showed
you are cancer free - makes me wonder about the money? Although
the Oncologist looked like she has his Health interest at heart and that
'this was a norm'. Anyhow its over for now - I just worry about the long
term effects of the Chemo.

[tootrue]

I also wonder some days how accurate are these tests that say you
have 'Cancer' how can we know for sure if that is really cancer or not?
We just blindly accept what Doctors say.



I agree

What happens once you believe that you are ill?
And also - how can they treat something, that they have no clear idea at all, about?

What happens to real scientists and health researchers?
When they go public, bad things start happening to them!

[llogun]

One more thing ... when he finished his Op they did a CT scan which
showed Cancer clear. They still put him on 6 months of Chemotherapy
as 'precaution'. I personally would not do it - but He followed what
Oncologist suggested. Why still do the Chemo when the scan showed
you are cancer free - makes me wonder about the money? Although
the Oncologist looked like she has his Health interest at heart and that
'this was a norm'. Anyhow its over for now - I just worry about the long
term effects of the Chemo.

The reason they give you more chemo is because there might be small amounts of cancer that the scan cant see so they say but there might be other reasons like more money for them. The thing about ct scans they can increase the chance of cancer and they dish them out like water off a ducks back.

[pacoquerak]

The reason they give you more chemo is because there might be small amounts of cancer that the scan cant see so they say but there might be other reasons like more money for them. The thing about ct scans they can increase the chance of cancer and they dish them out like water off a ducks back.

funny, i was just about to post that i read that duck eggs are alkalising and i was told by a korean lady that duck meat is as well! so if you gotta eat meat duck sounds like the way to go to me!

[devotional soul]

Don't forget Laetrile (B17):

http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/introduction.html
http://www.laetrile.com.au/

Here's a video about it:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30190281243507

Vitamin B-17 is one of the main sources of food in cultures such as the Eskimos, the Hunzas, the Abkasians and many more. Did you know that within these tribes there has never been a reported case of cancer?

Foods high in laetrile are:

Fruit seeds: apricot kernals are the highest, apple seeds next

Nuts: bitter almond, macadamia, cashew

Berries: Blackberry, cranberry, elderberry, raspberry and strawberries

Seeds: flaxseeds and sesame seeds

Beans: broad beans, burma, chick peas, sprouted lentils, lima, sprouted mung, rangoon, scarlet runner

Grains: Oat groats, barley, brown rice, buckwheat groats, millet, rye and wheat berries

[cheesedanish]

My friend's Mom was diagnosed with breast cancer this year and she
got me onto these people I thought you would find interesting Llogun
and others - it's very much in line with what you are doing. I am sure
they must have something like this where you stay?

http://www.sevenpointfive.co.za (http://www.sevenpointfive.co.za/)/

Do you know what the pH of your saliva is? Do you know it should be 7.5 to be healthy? Do you know that an acidic pH, below 7, can be the root cause of over 150 diseases? How can you balance your pH to 7.5? Not sure? Then you have come to the right place. Sevenpointfive has clinics that specialise in finding possible root causes of any imbalanced health you may suffer, from general fatigue to hyperactivity, or, more serious conditions like Lupus or Cancer.

[kiwimaj]

Of course the so called "treatments" for cancer is all a big conspiracy. You can cure yourself of any illness by simply changing your diet, the body has amazing self-regenerating powers to heal itself. Not justthrough diet, but there are plenty of alternative remedies out there, but diet I would say is the main one. We have been brainwashed since birth to go to the docs if there is anything wrong and to take the doc's advice. We are not told that we can indeed cure ourselves and that we can indeed prevent stuff happening to us in the first place, by our own means.

I have not taken any form of painkiller for example since (re) discovering that diet can heal, not a pill from the chemist. There is big money to be made from keeping people ill, from enticing them with shit fast food, making them ill from that, then having to go to the docs for drugs to ease the pain. I do believe alot of docs still do not know about the natural healing of plants and because they are paid bonuses by the drugs companies, would rather keep their patients ill and dependant, rather than advising them of how they can cure themselves.

Diabetes is another, totally self curable, just 2 websites that may be of interest...

http://www.rawfor30days.com/
http://www.treeoflife.nu/diabetes

Life is so fascinating when you step outside of the box....

[wellsyboy]

I have read this thread with interest and I am so pleased for you being able to treat yourself. I will now be looking into this a lot more myself for friends and family that may well suffer from cancer at some point (until we can all educate people).

I saw an article on the BBC in the UK at least 6 months ago, whereby scientists were using injections of neat Vitamin C to treat tumours in mice (maybe rats). The results were EXTREMELY positive as vitamin C is a natural anti-oxidant.

Can I find anymore information about this anywhere, what do you think???

Here is the BBC link I found in their archive from 2005 but no sign of the more recent findings (I will keep searching).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4238250.stm

This should be the biggest news going when you consider the cost to the NHS (or should I say profit to the big pharmas) for treatment of cancer...

[2013]

Hi check out you tube for info on vit C injections .They use these in Germany to good effect . There was a trail in the Bristol hospital some years back with B17 injections intravenously .A friend of a friend took part and it was very successful . :D

[wellsyboy]

Hi check out you tube for info on vit C injections .They use these in Germany to good effect . There was a trail in the Bristol hospital some years back with B17 injections intravenously .A friend of a friend took part and it was very successful . :D

Cheers. I'll take a look.

[runlikehell]

Well Done llogun :)

[linredfern]

excellent information, thanks

[griswald]

Well done llogun, keep spreading the word.

peace:)
griswald

[lupa]

hey llogun

I met someone that works in a leicester university lab that deals with cancer cells and biospys the other night, and I told her about your alkaline diet. and straight away she agreed that it was true. I've been on your diet now for about two weeks..gotta tell you I FEEL GREAT! seriously i feel really well :)

Ive been juicing up all sorts of potions and giving it to my dog aswell. you should see her. her coat looks like silk, feels like it too, her eyes are bright her nose is wet and she's even better behaved so thank you hun you're a star! x

[llogun]

hey llogun

I met someone that works in a leicester university lab that deals with cancer cells and biospys the other night, and I told her about your alkaline diet. and straight away she agreed that it was true. I've been on your diet now for about two weeks..gotta tell you I FEEL GREAT! seriously i feel really well :)

Ive been juicing up all sorts of potions and giving it to my dog aswell. you should see her. her coat looks like silk, feels like it too, her eyes are bright her nose is wet and she's even better behaved so thank you hun you're a star! x

My dog started to have fits, everyone said take her to the vets. I said no, I just changed her diet and after a month shy stopped having them.
You just cant believe can you change your food and eat the right things and hey your cured

[llogun]

Hey lupa im glad you are doing ok

[llogun]

My dog started to have fits, everyone said take her to the vets. I said no, I just changed her diet and after a month shy stopped having them.
You just cant believe can you change your food and eat the right things and hey your cured
This where the brick wall of cancer comes in. When some one in the lab knows about a alkaline the info does not get passed down the line, or should i say it does but the imformation stays on the otherside of the wall.

[lupa]

My dog started to have fits, everyone said take her to the vets. I said no, I just changed her diet and after a month shy stopped having them.
You just cant believe can you change your food and eat the right things and hey your cured

well I'm going to keep at it llogun because it just feels right in my system and i'm completly hooked on my juicer drinks. i make up around a litre of the magical goo a day, they are too delish for words. I'll ph test myself in a couple of months and take it from there. still have 5 years of trips to the hospital which give off bad energy. I can just smell death in those places and western medicine just treats or works on the illness whether it works or not, for the most part..it does not. I firmly believe that you treat the whole being so illness never takes place in the first place and i feel that the trips to the hospital will not be needed soon. i'll play the game for a couple of visits and doubt very much i will bother going again because it will be pointless.

I've been fortunate in the fact that i've never really been ill throughout my life on this spinning ball. as i've mentioned before on previous posts, germs, viruses etc just seem to bounce off me, i don't get sick. untill last year when everything caved in, all in one week and it spiralled from there. someone mentioned on here on having a corpse in your mouth and that deffinatly has a mental effect on your whole being so the victim/corpse has been removed from my mind which has been a real positive effect.

so thats that :D big grin for how i feel. on the dog issue. anyone feeding their dogs things like bakers complete or foods with lots of colours..they will mess your dogs head up at best, at worst they will kill your dog fact!

stick to working dog dried foods without the colours/additives. you will save a small fortune on buying those big 15kg sacks(they cost anywhere from £10.00-£50.00p per sack)plus you don't need to give them 3 cups a day like a working dog, one 3rd of a cup is plenty enough to give them all the nutriants they will need. forget the gunk they sell in the supermarkets. over priced, full of crap.. just like the crap they try and fill us up with.

slight hijack on dogs but after dealing with many dominant breeds with ISSUES they can be sorted out so easy with diet. but giving my dog a little of alkaline juiced drinks, her coat glows with health, she shines! ;)

so thanks again llogun,

[bribean]

Its great to hear you are doing well llogan.
This thread is brilliant.

I lost my Dad to cancer a few years back and I wish that I knew then what I do now about the whole issue. I know that the treatment (chemo) killed him.
The medical system is brutal and barbaric.

Last year a good freind of mine, who is heavily into healthy eating, came across a book by Dr Robert Young called Sick & Tired. Its all about the acid in your body, and getting your alkaline ballance right, just like you say.

My friend used to think I was a fool when I talked of the conspiracy and we had many debates, but we always agreed to differ on the subject.
That was until he had read the above mentioned book.
Since then his whole outlook has changed and he is an avid researcher on the conspiracy subject too.

We both do our bit within our own family and friends circle to spread the word, and even though it can be like banging your head against a wall sometimes, we have had some success nevertheless.
I know that people are at last begining to wake up, and the truth about healthcare is a real eyeopener for many, so keep spreading the word and good luck.

Here is a link to Dr Roberts site;
http://www.phmiracleliving.com/

[llogun]

Its great to hear you are doing well llogan.
This thread is brilliant.

I lost my Dad to cancer a few years back and I wish that I knew then what I do now about the whole issue. I know that the treatment (chemo) killed him.
The medical system is brutal and barbaric.

Last year a good freind of mine, who is heavily into healthy eating, came across a book by Dr Robert Young called Sick & Tired. Its all about the acid in your body, and getting your alkaline ballance right, just like you say.

My friend used to think I was a fool when I talked of the conspiracy and we had many debates, but we always agreed to differ on the subject.
That was until he had read the above mentioned book.
Since then his whole outlook has changed and he is an avid researcher on the conspiracy subject too.

We both do our bit within our own family and friends circle to spread the word, and even though it can be like banging your head against a wall sometimes, we have had some success nevertheless.
I know that people are at last begining to wake up, and the truth about healthcare is a real eyeopener for many, so keep spreading the word and good luck.

Here is a link to Dr Roberts site;
http://www.phmiracleliving.com/

Thanks bribean for the website

[llogun]

I had my mri scan the other day 16 4 09 and my tumor as gone. I just have scar tissue left. There are many diffrant ways to beat cancer. i found this way the best and it was all very clear to me in the end what i had to do. There is so much info out there your head can get stuck in a rut and some people are starting to jump on the band wagon and trying to make money on the back of people with cancer when this info should be free. All the people who know me in leicester are now saying to me i cant believe it when you first told me what you where doing i thought you were crazy. Well once again i want to thank everyone who help me and gave me support and most of all steve 2013. Now everyone in leicester, dont think im crazy, its opened there eyes and as we all no on here, its just one part of the jigsaw puzzle that will hopfully make them see the next part that starts to make the picture for them.

[2013]

Well done llogun for listening to your own intuition and working with your body to heal .It's good we can exchange useful information to help each other , thats what its all about . take it easy mate . :D

[llogun]

Thanks mate

[llogun]

This was my daily routine I had to get rid of the cancer
I drank 2 to 3 litres of alkaline water with a a ph booster in it.a day
I had a fresh lemon squeezed with a few ounces of water in the morning
I juiced carrot and broccoli twice a day
I only would eat veg and cooked as raw as possible with potatoes and gravy made from veg stock
Salads with a small amount of brown bread
I took vitamin A C D E and selenium
B17 50 aday and I had to build up to this
mms but I had to come off it after a while because it made me ill I did get to 15 drops but one day I mixed the dosage up wrong and I thought I was going to die my fault
I was taking 100 drops a day of oxye 100 drops of zeolite 6 o3 right this cleans and oxygenates the bowl. 3 sharks liver oil capsules 2 table spoons of flax seed oil 1 cod liver oil capsules aday
To keep on this diet was very hard and I did let my self down every now and then when I could smell bacon cooking and I have got a very sweet tooth which is bad to eat when you have cancer.
Also when you stop eating meat and you go on a vegan diet you need to really take vit b 12 this will replace what you lose from not eating it.
Most important of all positive thinking
That’s about it

[2013]

Good menu .
I was doing 35 apricot kernels a day . I did use mms for a few months , cant say i saw an improvement , but it didn't make me any worse .
I had organic porridge for breakfast ,Soya or rice milk not dairy still do . loaded with
goji berries
strawberries raspberries and blueberries etc .
Hulled hemp seed and linseed added as well .
Juiced organic carrots ,apples and beetroot and broccoli ,daily .
Steamed fish with steamed veg and organic spuds .
Essiac tincture in organic apple juice daily .
Quinoa , similar to rice but finer , with more organic veg .
Vegetable soup .
Salads with sprouted seeds ,such as broccoli ,alfalfa ,mung bean , red clover . Delicious .Egg free mayonnaise and cheesley vegan cheese alternative
Soya or oat milk smoothies packed with organic fruit and seeds .
Vegan hot dogs .Organic baked beans as they contain less sugar and dont make up for it with aspartame .
Basically just variations of that diet , no dairy and steamed all food i could .
Also used Graviola herb tablets , a very good anti cancer supplement.
Drank plenty of water with added aerobic oxygen drops .
Have a very good homeopath , who works with me supporting my immune system to , worth while finding a good one if you can .:D

[tootrue]

Cancer just down to genes 'a myth'

People should stop believing cancer is just down to "bad luck" or their genes and look to their own lifestyle, an expert has said. Skip related content


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090420/tuk-cancer-just-down-to-genes-a-myth-6323e80.html

[breezinreezin]

Excellent thread. Very inspirational. I do feel it's time for me to go this route, as I've just felt too tired, for too long. I need some energy!

[chaste]

A really interesting thread. The sort of information you wish had been freely available years ago.

The alkalinity/acidity was something I've never seen before. I'm trying to find out stuff for someone I think might be resistant to making changes in their diet (and, given the hospital dietitician's advice to stop eating diet yoghurt and eat butter and jam, may be sceptical of something that goes against what the 'experts' say) - does anyone think you can make a difference with only some of the measures e.g. alkaline water, bicarbonate of soda, etc., whilst monitoring their pH level?

[llogun]

A really interesting thread. The sort of information you wish had been freely available years ago.

The alkalinity/acidity was something I've never seen before. I'm trying to find out stuff for someone I think might be resistant to making changes in their diet (and, given the hospital dietitician's advice to stop eating diet yoghurt and eat butter and jam, may be sceptical of something that goes against what the 'experts' say) - does anyone think you can make a difference with only some of the measures e.g. alkaline water, bicarbonate of soda, etc., whilst monitoring their pH level?
To get your body back to a alkaline condition can take months and thats putting everything back into your body whats alkaline. Every time you eat acidic foods or drink you are working against what you are trying to do

[chaste]

Thanks, llogun.

[dude111]

my aunt has cancer - she isn't taking chemo or anything like that from 'the doctors' ------ some of her family are trying to convince her to 'take the doctors advice' and use their treatments. She refuses though and is going about her own way to defeat the cancer.GOOD FOR HER!!

I once heard about a lady in california who had HIV and she did not let the doctors give her anything for it and you know what?

ITS STAYING IN REMISSION (Or it was the last i heard,it wasnt bothering her,etc)

[elrafaargentino]

I wonder if there is alkaline water produced, because in argentina I have not heard anything about it.

[motleyhoo]

A really interesting thread. The sort of information you wish had been freely available years ago.

The alkalinity/acidity was something I've never seen before. I'm trying to find out stuff for someone I think might be resistant to making changes in their diet (and, given the hospital dietitician's advice to stop eating diet yoghurt and eat butter and jam, may be sceptical of something that goes against what the 'experts' say) - does anyone think you can make a difference with only some of the measures e.g. alkaline water, bicarbonate of soda, etc., whilst monitoring their pH level?

I don't think that would work every well. You need to be eating alkaline foods primarily and focus on drinks second. But you really need to do both. Ironically, or maybe not, its the alkaline foods we should be eating anyway, and it's mostly the junk foods that are acidic.

One important thing - it's not the pH of the food itself that matters, but rather how it is converted in the body. Raw vinegar is highly acidic, but consuming a little in your diet is alkaline.

There's lots of info on google about "alkaline diets" and many good books on amazon, etc.

.

[curtaincat]

It is your thoughts that make all the difference.
I am not saying eat crap, but it is your thoughts.
Positive and true thoughts.
Everytime you think anything crappy , unfortunately, you get it back.
This is the hardest thing to learn, I am still 'digesting' such stuff myself.

( and I am not being a nasty person saying this, I have at least 4 lovely people I know that have 'died' from cancer.)

[chaste]

I don't think that would work every well. You need to be eating alkaline foods primarily and focus on drinks second. But you really need to do both. Ironically, or maybe not, its the alkaline foods we should be eating anyway, and it's mostly the junk foods that are acidic.

One important thing - it's not the pH of the food itself that matters, but rather how it is converted in the body. Raw vinegar is highly acidic, but consuming a little in your diet is alkaline.

There's lots of info on google about "alkaline diets" and many good books on amazon, etc.

.

Thanks. A friend who became a nutritionist was back home for a hen night recently and this subject came up - it turns out she's known about this for ages and had always being going on about something called 'supergreens' (?), which didn't make sense at the time but sounds like something people use to make water alkaline (?).

[motleyhoo]

Thanks. A friend who became a nutritionist was back home for a hen night recently and this subject came up - it turns out she's known about this for ages and had always being going on about something called 'supergreens' (?), which didn't make sense at the time but sounds like something people use to make water alkaline (?).

Supergreens are fantastic, and I just started reading about them and consuming them a couple of years ago. And also Brassicas. I was making my own supergreen smoothies everyday, but I don't like the taste. I now make fruit "superfood" smoothies, and then I take supergreen capsules that I make myself.

I could talk all day about supergreens, superfoods, and micro/phyto nutrients, but you can find a lot of information by using the search box at the following site:

http://www.naturalnews.com/

.

[llogun]

Hi everyone there’s a great book out written by TY BOLLINGER called cancer outside the box. You can buy it of off Amazon, It’s a great book and it is now known as the bible book on cancer. It is a must read for some one who as been told they have cancer and for people who don’t want to get it. Ive read it and it’s a 10 out if 10 for me

[llogun]

sorry the book is called CANCER STEPPING OUTSIDE THE BOX

[johan niklasson]

www.theflucase.com

[rodin]

I agree with everything on this great thread. One thing though - cesium chloride can bring relief from the symptoms of terminal cancer but is not I think a cure. I knew someone diagnosed late with stage 4 lung cancer with lymph metastases. The most positive results she had were from ozone therapy (where the blood gets ozonated then returned to the body). Tried to fight with diet and some other alternatives but in the end it was unsuccessful.

Cancer: Civilization's No. 2 Killer

http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020122horne.21stcentury/020122ch13.html

I am not sure those at the top of the 'medical establishment' keep people in the dark about alternative remedies just for the obscene profit motive. I think there is possibly a darker agenda. Doctors I think mostly do what they believe is for the best.

[bsmurph83]

forgive me if this has already been posted but these are vital resources:

World Without Cancer - video

World Without Cancer - book

cancer = cured.

[llogun]

forgive me if this has already been posted but these are vital resources:

World Without Cancer - video

World Without Cancer - book

cancer = cured.
Ive watched this video and its very good. To get the hemp oil is a joke it can cost a lot of money to get the oil, only because of the shitty goverment banning the drug

[united hemp]

thats a great vid.
here's where the bubble pops!
thc kills cancer cells
to get the hemp oil is a joke?
lot of money?
what good is money when your dead?
1 pound of good high thc content hemp bud.
make oil .
if you can make a coffie you can make a cure!
thc works on way more than cancer's way more!
google it up mate?
www.pnas.org
seach thc-cancer
then thc on anything
thc aids?
hep?
warts?
etc....they know very well what thc can do...
http://antiquecannabisbook.com/
www.sethgroup.org
thc killing brain cancer cells...
online time lapse vid.
from where iam.
working with phoenixtears,and living next door to rick,ive been involved for almost 5 yrs.
now.
and we are saving lives everyday,and now people all over the world know how to cure cancer's!
grow hemp make oil -cure cancer!
in canada 1.5 million canadians share a record for the hemp plant-this genocide is about to end.
and now the world is waking up to truth!
the hemp plant can put an end to nwo.
grow hemp use it for everything.
50,000 uses and growing!
without hemp no man...think about it?
www.jackherer.com
tonite jack lay's in a doctor induced coma in ice...having suffred a heart attack!
we are shattered by this....news
jack your coming back! you and rick got work 2 do!
say a prayer for jack herer.
hemp can save the world!
www.jackherer.com

peace and prayers
jack herer






i see the people rick simpson has treated met a lot of them.
use the oil myself,for many things like tooth ache's 5 min no pain rub it on.
burn's amazing...warts good for that,rashes...
skin cancer get one ounce of high thc hemp,make oil rub it on cancer,put band aid on,repeat evert 2-3 days...watch what happens....thc kills skin cancer right in front of your eyes...easy to prove.
simple to make
www.phoenixtears.ca
read making the medicine.
watch
www.runfromthecuremovie.com
we need healers everywhere.
if you grow hemp or buy hemp...make oil from the buds,eat it.and or rub it on.
full body healing.
rick haven treated over 2500 people now,

[kasalt]

www.jackherer.com (http://www.jackherer.com)
tonite jack lay's in a doctor induced coma in ice...having suffred a heart attack!
we are shattered by this....news
jack your coming back! you and rick got work 2 do!
say a prayer for jack herer.
hemp can save the world!
www.jackherer.com (http://www.jackherer.com)

peace and prayers
jack herer


Oh gosh, I'm really sorry to hear about that. Just a few weeks ago, I received his book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, through the mail. It was autographed by Jack himself. I'm so sorry to hear this news.

[llogun]

I agree with everything on this great thread. One thing though - cesium chloride can bring relief from the symptoms of terminal cancer but is not I think a cure. I knew someone diagnosed late with stage 4 lung cancer with lymph metastases. The most positive results she had were from ozone therapy (where the blood gets ozonated then returned to the body). Tried to fight with diet and some other alternatives but in the end it was unsuccessful.

Cancer: Civilization's No. 2 Killer

http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020122horne.21stcentury/020122ch13.html

I am not sure those at the top of the 'medical establishment' keep people in the dark about alternative remedies just for the obscene profit motive. I think there is possibly a darker agenda. Doctors I think mostly do what they believe is for the best.

I just want say that when getting rid of cancer yourself, You have to go into it with a very positive attitude. If the cancer is agressive and is spreading round the body you have to work fast. you need to be taking oxygen supplements which was oxye for me and lots of it. I was on 100 drops aday and lots of other supplements to. you have to hammer cancer with as many supplement as you can.

Drinking at least 2 liters of alkaline water a day and filterd is a must to help get rid of toxins in your body. Most people tend to go throught with the treatment of chemo radio and a hop which just detroys the persons immune system. This then makes it a lot harder to get a person right back to health.
It can be done thou with the right info and attitude.

[united hemp]

http://www.chemo-facts.com/

[egozero]

baking soda! ;)

[pureheart]

baking soda! ;)


http://www.bamboo-delight.com/download/Cure_Cancer_with_Baking_Soda.htm

Curing Cancer with Baking Soda:

What MD’s and Naturopaths Don’t Know
by Gregory Delaney

Wouldn’t the delusional physicians and the big pharmacology swindlers be embarrassed to find that cancer could be cured with nothing more complicated than ordinary baking soda? Well, no, they wouldn’t be embarrassed because they would be outraged. All of their billions in profits vanishing in a twinkle, would not have these betrayers of Mankind at all happy with such a simple cancer cure. And yet, cancer can be cured with nothing more complicated than ordinary baking soda. And I will explain how.



While the greedy physicians and the cancer industry robber barons have been using every imaginable method for treating the symptoms of cancer, and while millions of people have suffered and died under the most astounding variety of mechanical, chemical, bio-technological and radiological absurdities, little progress in curing cancer has actually been made. And why? Well, to understand why, you would have to understand who is treating cancer before you can understand why it is not being cured. Who are these cancer physicians who claim to know so much yet fail to do anything useful?



Firstly, they are people who admit that they don’t know the cause of cancer or how to cure it. And yet they insist that they be allowed to “practice medicine” anyway! These oncologists admit that no matter what they do, you are going to die anyway, and so why not let them do something since they can make better use of your money than you can. Even though they admit that they don’t know what they are doing, they offer you just two (and only two) choices: (1) let them cut-poison-irradiate-and-transplant you which includes a free estimation of how long you will live or (2) do nothing at all which also includes a free, but much shorter, estimation of how long you will live. And so, with such limited choices, most people prefer to bequeath their savings account to the doctors for choice number one. At best, the physicians promise to drug you into unconsciousness so that you do not feel any pain either from your tumors or from their billing department.



But what happens if you don’t take their advice and choose alternative medicine, instead – you know, the choice that the doctors never mention to their patients? Since it has been proven that hospital patients live longer when the doctors go on strike, then alternative medicine is obviously better than a placebo. But they never mention that, either.



Secondly, these oncologists with all of their fancy degrees and years of microscopic confusion are really nothing more than disciples of fraud. This fraud is known as “symptomatic medicine”. And these cancer physicians prove their idiocy on a daily basis by classifying cancer as a “disease”. Would it be a joke on them if it was discovered that cancer really is not a disease at all but merely a “symptom” of something else? Hundreds of millions of dying cancer patients would certainly not be laughing. And millions of billionaire Big Pharma swindlers would not be laughing, either. Would it be a joke if it was discovered that cancer is not a disease at all and that these swindling greed-bags were actually mistaking the symptoms for the disease? I don’t think there would be much laughter in finding this to be true; but it is true. And here’s how this simple cure works.



The cancer quacks who are known as “modern physicians” (or oncology engineers), all know that there are many things that cause cancer. Does this ring a bell in their mighty brains? No, of course not. If there are many things that cause cancer, then how can cancer be classified as a disease? Isn’t it true, rather, that the many causative agents are the disease while the manifestations of tumors and malignancies are actually the symptom? This may seem strange but think about it a bit. And you alternative practitioners had better think about it a bit since the physicians have already proven that they are on the wrong track and haven’t thought about it enough.



If many things cause cancer (radiation, chemicals, viruses, sunlight, etc.) then even the dumbest physician knows enough to remove the primary cause. So, patients who work in the bright sun or in chemical factories are advised to avoid these situations. Hooray for the doctors who have common sense! But why are they so few?



Once you remove the primal cause, you are still left with a growing malignancy. (I am referring to the growing tumor and not to the doctors and the Big Pharma executives, themselves.) This cancerous growth has certain attributes that the idiot doctors overlook because they have been trained to use the most expensive methods possible for producing the largest possible profit for themselves and for their hospitals and for their drug suppliers. And after extracting all possible savings accounts, checking accounts, real property and insurance benefits, they send the dying patient home after saying, “We have done everything that we can do.” No, I don’t think many people will be laughing to discover that cancer can be cured with baking soda.



But even after the primary cause of the cancer is removed, why do the cancer cells keep growing? The doctors say because cancer is a disease. However, these practitioners of “symptomatic medicine” are mistaking the disease for the symptom. It is more accurate to say that the cancer is not the disease, itself, but is rather the symptom.



The maniac oncologists cut and radiate and poison and burn the cancer cells in an attempt to kill them. But the alternative practitioner prefers to let the powerful defenses of the body do all the work. And why? Because the body can take care of itself just fine as long as you provide it with what it needs to do the necessary healing. In this case, first remove the causative factors of cancer (such as the oncologists and Big Pharma robber barons) and then get to work on the underlying causes.



All cancer has some common denominators that the physicians think are inconsequential. But if you think about it a little bit, you will see that the oncologists are full of themselves and not full of knowledge. What they think is the disease, is actually the symptom. And what they think is inconsequential is actually the tiny, little cause for all of this suffering and disease. It’s a joke on the doctors, but nobody is laughing.



Here’s how it works. Normal cells that turn cancerous have specific jobs to do. Brain cells do brainy things, heart cells are on a bungee-jumper’s rush, liver cells strain today’s whiskey, kidney cells strain the beer and save the water, bladder cells hold the nasty stuff that the others strain, and skin cells enjoy a good suntan on a summer day. They all do different jobs. But when they turn cancerous, they throw all of that specialization aside.


Cancer cells do not evolve; they devolve. They do not perform the task specified in the blueprints of DNA, but they rebel and go it alone. Cancer cells give up being a high level technical worker in the body and become instead the lowest form of life. Worse than any truant teenager – all they do all day is eat, excrete, reproduce and do it all while holding their breath. While holding their breath? What is this little detail that is overlooked by the oncologists?


That’s right. Cancer cells don’t require a lot of oxygen to live. In fact, it is this low oxygen level that allows them to thrive. Or to put it in a way that even a physician can understand: Cancer cells become cancerous not because they are the disease but because they are normal cells reacting to the causative factors of disease. That is, cancer cells become cancer cells because they are normal cells that cannot live in any other way. They are following the First Commandment of Life: “Thou must live”. And in order for them to live, they must give up their specific functions in the body and devolve to a lower level of Life that is not so demanding of them. They become cancer cells in order to survive, not because they want to be cancer cells.


From this perspective you can say that cancer is normal. It is not a disease but rather it is the reaction of certain cells in the body to stress factors that cause these cells to choose de-evolution to a cancerous state as a means of cellular survival. They give up being highly advanced cells – brain, heart, liver, kidney, skin, etc. – and take a step downward to a lower function. They become cancerous as a survival strategy because nature only gives them this choice – or they must die. Cancer is the reaction of cells to various factors that will cause their death if they do not devolve to a lower, cancerous state.


Of course, the Big Pharma scoundrels and the physicians-for-hire want to “treat” cancer. Yes, they have devised a trillion “treatments” none of which do any good except to their bank accounts. There is a lot of money in “treatments”. You can talk about “treatments” for years. You can offer your customers … I mean, your “patients” … years and years of the latest and greatest of treatments. Treatments! Treatments! Treatments! Forever! And all of this time, while the victims are suffering and dying and giving the hospitals their last pennies in vain, the doctors can avoid ever, ever mentioning that most forbidden word of modern medicine – “cure”. And why? Because if they actually cure anyone of cancer, then they can’t get them back for any more treatments!


And yet, cancer is easily cured with nothing more complicated than baking soda. But before telling you how this is done, I want to review something that the Johns Hopkins Hospital has stolen from the alternative medical professionals. They sent out a newsletter in 2007 that has also been circulated by the Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Although their newsletter did not credit any alternative health practitioners or natural healing groups as to the source for their information, it was gratifying to see that what Naturopaths have been saying for over seventy years is finally being acknowledged by the swindlers of the Medical Monopoly. I will briefly review the main points of this newsletter below so that you Naturopathic Health experts and you idiots in the entrenched Medical Monopoly are all using the same language when you yell at each other.


All naturopaths already know these things but because it was new to the physicians and oncologists, here briefly is what the Johns Hopkins Hospital newsletter stated:

1. “Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells.

3. “Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk cancer cells are being starved.”

5. “Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.”

6. “A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).”

7. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water – best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic. Avoid it.”

8. “Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrefied and leads to more toxic buildup.”

9. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

10. “Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6 , Flor-ssence , Essiac , anti-oxidants , vitamins , minerals , EFAs, etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.”

11. “Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, un-forgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment.

13. “Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.”


And this ends the good advice that the Johns Hopkins Hospital tosses out … then forgets entirely about. Although they make some basic errors with their assertions because they don’t really understand natural nutrition, it does contain almost everything that naturopaths of all varieties have been practicing and teaching for many years. But it does not give credit where credit is due. The physicians purloin our knowledge and take it for their own discovery and then they bill their patients for the information that we freely give while pretending to be physicians of great learning. And so, let’s leave these medical maniacs and show how cancer is easily cured with nothing more than baking soda. You will need the above ten points to put the puzzle together. And I will leave you and the physicians to argue about the above data which they have plagiarized without fully understanding.

The newsletter makes much of the importance of avoiding acidic and seeking alkaline but they do not know how to put two-and-two together to make any sense out of the information that they have stolen from us. They do not understand the cheap and easy and effective Naturopathic Way because they follow the fraudulent and profitable and expensive way of symptomatic medicine.

One of the much-overlooked “minor” details of cancer cells is that they thrive in a low oxygen environment. When the body is not able to fully oxygenate, these cells must either die of asphyxiation and toxic build-up or they must devolve to a lower state of existence where they can live and grow without so much oxygen. They become cancerous because there is not enough oxygen for them to remain normally functioning.

In point #1, above, the physicians rightfully state that cancerous cells feed on sugar. Actually, all cells feed on glucose. They absolutely do not seem to understand the difference between what glucose and sucrose do to the blood. What the physicians are missing is that the sucrose table sugar, the white flour products, the red meats, dairy products, coffee, candy and soda pop that the hospital provides from the hospital kitchen and from the Coke and candy machines on every floor, are bad enough on their own. These are the junk foods that the patients, themselves, got sick on. What the physicians do not understand is the blood chemistry that these junk foods unbalance. Yes, they take the necessary chemical tests. But they do not understand their own data because they are looking for a complicated treatment when the simple cure is staring them in the face.

Everybody knows how to stick a toy balloon on the wall after rubbing it on your head. It will stick tightly during dry weather but maybe not at all during damp weather. This is because the electro-static charge is strong during dry weather but gets leaked away during damp weather. Well, the same principle applies to how oxygen sticks to the blood cells during oxygenation, but in an ionic fluid instead of in an electrostatic gas.

As blood cells pass through the lungs, there is a very delicate balancing act that takes place between their cell surfaces and the ionic charges of the surrounding plasma. As they pass through the lungs, these purple-colored blood cells have the ionic charge that they received when picking up carbon dioxide. In contact with lung oxygen, this charge gets reversed so that the carbon dioxide drops off and the reversed charge attracts and picks up oxygen molecules. As their ionic charge reverses as they pick up a full supply of oxygen and their color changes from purple to red, these oxygenated blood cells are carried along through the body until they get into the vicinity of body cells that have a surplus of carbon-dioxide and need some oxygen. At that point, the ionic charges again reverse as the oxygen drops off and the carbon dioxide is attracted and sticks to the blood cell which once again changes to a purple color and is carried to the lungs. Yin and yang, a changing balance of polarities.

But just like a toy balloon that cannot stick to the wall in wet weather, oxygen cannot stick to a blood cell if the ionic balance of the blood is acidic. This is what the physicians and oncologists are overlooking. Every damned one of them has observed the ringing alarm bell going off but have muffled their ears and closed their eyes because they are looking for some expensive and complicated cure for cancer when both the cause and the cure are actually very simple.

They observe that cancer thrives in an acidic environment but they feed their patients sugar, white flour, red meats, ice cream and cake for dessert at just about every meal. They observe that cancer dies in a high oxygen environment, but they treat their patients to a choice between Coke and Pepsi from the vending machine down the hall. It is either much too simple for them to understand or else they are a witless part of a greedy and voracious conspiracy against the health of all of Mankind. Those are the only two choices, Doctor; take your pick.

The ringing alarm bell that the physicians are overlooking is the blood pH. Every cancer patient that I have ever seen, all without exception, had an acidic blood pH. But while the oncologists are pumping the patient full of chemotherapy, pizzas, pancakes, cokes, ice creams, hamburgers and fries, sweet rolls and jams, followed by radiation and surgery, they are ignoring the fact that cancer thrives in a low oxygen environment.

Oxygen cannot stick to blood cells if the pH of the blood is acidic. And rather than do everything that they can to raise the pH back up to a normal pH of 7.4 so that the blood can function properly, they prefer surgery. All of the advice that they have stolen from naturopathic medicine about “deep breathing” will do them no good at all. You can breath pure oxygen until you catch on fire but if the blood pH is acidic, then the oxygen will not be able to be picked up by the blood cells. It is chemically impossible. The blood must be normal and normal blood has a pH of around 7.4 pH. Any vestigial traces of oxygen that the acid-drenched blood cells manage to pick up are stripped off early by the oxygen-starved cells along the way and never reach the deeper parts of the body where oxygen is most needed. And because the pH is acidic, carbon dioxide also is not transported efficiently and so builds up within the tissues leading both to cell death and to a cell-to-cancer de-evolution for survival.

So, yes, cancer can be cured with ordinary baking soda. Bicarbonate is found in the blood naturally for the very real purpose of neutralizing acids. Therefore, those who want to cure your cancers should first follow the stolen advise found in the above newsletter. Not that the oncologists understand or follow this advice, themselves, but since they stole it from naturopathic medicine at least we can all agree that it is good advice. So, go to the health food stores and change your diet immediately.

But also do this: Take a pinch of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) into your mouth, run it around your teeth and gums with your tongue while being sure to reach into the deepest parts of your gums and teeth and swallow it three times a day – more or less depending on how you feel. Also, drink a glass of water containing a teaspoon of baking soda before going to bed each night. But don’t over do this. Baking soda can kill you if you take too much of it. Take just a little bit and see how it makes you feel. If you feel okay, then take some more. Don’t overdo it but don’t be afraid to experiment. After all, the doctors experiment on you every time you go to see them as they “practice medicine”. So, why not experiment on yourself and save the money and the pain. But by all means change your diet to a natural and alkaline diet. And make baking soda a part of that diet.

The physicians will charge you a lot of money to take a pH test of your blood, but you can start monitoring the pH, yourself, by purchasing some pH test strips from a pharmacy. Test your tongue pH in the morning as well as your urine pH. Practice some yoga or Tai Chi Chuan or other deep breathing exercises and go on long walks to enjoy fresh air and your days on Earth. As your blood pH moves back up to the alkaline side of the chart, your deep breathing will fully oxygenate your blood. The cancer cells cannot survive all of that fresh oxygen so they die. And your T-killer cells, being full of vigor, will kill the cancer cells that remain. It’s as simple as that.

This is not advice that a cancer doctor will give you but it is advice that you can take whether you accept his treatments or not. After all, the normal pH of your blood is 7.4 but if the doctor wants to treat you without regard to what is normal, then maybe you should put yourself in Nature’s hands rather than his. If cancer is normal, then it would be normal for everybody to have cancer. But since it is not normal and since it thrives in situations that are not normal, then doesn’t it make sense to seek the things that are normal so that the cancer just disappears? A physician or oncologist who ignores the pH of your blood and does not know how to make it normal once again, is not qualified to be treating you in any way whatsoever. Avoid such physicians for the idiots that they are.

And whoops, oh dear! I am afraid that tooth decay is also cured with this simple remedy because baking soda kills decay-causing germs on contact. Will the purveyors of toothbrushes and pastes and drilling and filling and billing be pleased? No, those greedy betrayers and swindlers will not be pleased at all. They want you to be sick. But the sweet, happy smile of good health is the natural state of Mankind.

[pureheart]

llogan thankyou so much for this thread. I knew about some of the information already but I love the simple way that you put it all together so that even a layman such as myself can understand it.

After reading your posts this morning I have poured my coffee down the drain and am now sipping on a glass of water with lemon. :)

You have inspired me to get off my lazy backside and start juicing.

Interestingly, most of the foods you list as acidic are the ones that my body cannot tolerate anyway - wheat, dairy etc. My body obviously knows better what is good for it than I do. :)

Thanks again. Stay well x

[pureheart]

Just one more thing. You mentioned how cancer feeds on sugar - I have always found it incomprehensible why oncologists do not advise their patients to avoid alcohol when they have had cancer.

A friend of a friend had breast cancer. She was quite young and when in remission she was still drinking strong spirits regularly. The cancer came back and she died. I always felt that the alcohol had a lot to do with her body's inability to fight the cancer. Another friend had ovarian cancer and continued to drink wine. The cancer returned.

I can understand the urge to drink in order to deal with the trauma of having cancer, but I think it is terribly detrimental to succumb to it. :(

[llogun]

Just one more thing. You mentioned how cancer feeds on sugar - I have always found it incomprehensible why oncologists do not advise their patients to avoid alcohol when they have had cancer.

A friend of a friend had breast cancer. She was quite young and when in remission she was still drinking strong spirits regularly. The cancer came back and she died. I always felt that the alcohol had a lot to do with her body's inability to fight the cancer. Another friend had ovarian cancer and continued to drink wine. The cancer returned.

I can understand the urge to drink in order to deal with the trauma of having cancer, but I think it is terribly detrimental to succumb to it. :(

Hi pure heart yes when a person gets cancer, the cells turns anerobic which means they are not feeding off oxegen anymore but they still need to feed off of something which is suger. This gives the cancer the energy to live and grow.When a person as chemo, the doctors gives the patiance high energy drinks and are told you can eat what you like. death sentence

[pureheart]

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[trix]

Great thread, just wondering if anyone took apple cider vinegar to help get rid of their cancer?

I heard about the baking soda cure, and think it's quite promising. Honestly, anything that big pharma doesn't like sounds good to me. Of course they would try to discredit anyone trying to say something cheap and natural could cure cancer. They make billions off of sick people.

But apple cider vinegar seems like something worth trying. I try to drink it everytime I shower since I use it as a conditioner, but I'm not religious about it, I always take a shot of it and it makes me gag. lol. It's great conditioner, by the way!! Baking soda as shampoo and then apple cider conditioner twice a week.... sounds weird but my hair is glorious now.

http://www.articlealley.com/article_109841_23.html

Thoughts?

[pureheart]

I always take a shot of it and it makes me gag. lol. It's great conditioner, by the way!!

It's more palatable with hot water and honey, or in fresh apple juice (tastes like cider?).

[wakeuptime]

Great thread, just wondering if anyone took apple cider vinegar to help get rid of their cancer?

I heard about the baking soda cure, and think it's quite promising. Honestly, anything that big pharma doesn't like sounds good to me. Of course they would try to discredit anyone trying to say something cheap and natural could cure cancer. They make billions off of sick people.

But apple cider vinegar seems like something worth trying. I try to drink it everytime I shower since I use it as a conditioner, but I'm not religious about it, I always take a shot of it and it makes me gag. lol. It's great conditioner, by the way!! Baking soda as shampoo and then apple cider conditioner twice a week.... sounds weird but my hair is glorious now.

I heard a man on AJ's show say he was diagnosed with cancer 16 years ago and has treated himself by taking three teaspoons a day of cider vinegar.

Made me run out and buy some cider vinegar and mix it into salad dressing every night. The best kind is natural, unpasturized, and it has that stuff floating around in it. (My mom calls it the mother....don't know...?:))

Cider vinegar and baking soda. Big pharma is not happy.

[totalrecall]

Great to see so many awake people here.

Speaking of flax seed oil, has anyone seen mixing flax seed oil with cottage cheese. The proteins and the omega 3s are supposed to destroy cancer cells.

Youtube shows how to mix it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSoddptWL0s

I was worried for a family member whose diet was extemely acidic and had cancer twice (but now in the clear). I emailed a naturopath I knew and he said that her body would be extemly acidic and recommended this to counteract it:

"OK prpbiotiocs are good, best one for here is Threelac with Inulation (1). Also she needs mms from mmsmiracle.com (2)but start her on only 2 drops a day and she should never go above 10 drops a day. Olive Leaf Capsules(3) would help as would Cranberry Juice(4). The last two can be locally sourced but you will need to get the others from the net. You could try food grade Hydrogen Peroxide (5)5 drops a day as well. 3% concentration only - this is vital!!not the 35% stuff in the bottle. This will increase the oxygen utilisation. She will be very acidic so Basica (6)as sold in Germany would be good too.
OSR is the strongest antioxidant ever tested with no side effects, only on prescription though, I can get that but probably steps 1, 2, 3 & 4 are the most important with 5 & 6 as a long term help."


She didn't follow any of this advice because she is of the generation that believes the doctors are looking out for her best interest and not that of the industry. (Oh dear).

She was scared that any of the above advice would interfere with the myriad of drugs she was on. This opened my eyes to the real problem: "Who is your authority?"

That question determines your fate.

All good info from posters so far here. Excellent.


Also see http://www.cancerx.org/. These guys use mega vit, mineral and enzyme supplements with essiac I think. The photos in the videos are great.


Also, speaking of intravenous vit C and cancer, that is the cornerstone of the Hall-V-Tox treatment.


Wait, one last thing about diet. There;s a great scientific test to determine which kind of diet suits your body and makes it alkali. I've forgotten what;s it called, but it is of great benefit according to the naturopath. Not all foods have the same effect on the same people. Most people shouldn't be vegetarians apparantly. I'll try and source it and find out for you all.

(My diet is ok but could be a lot better I think. I take quite a few supplements, but I think I could improve also).

Good luck.

[christ4life]

Great responses wish I would have known this stuff twenty one years ago when my mom died of cancer. The chemo did absolutely nothing for her made her extremely weak, and in pain. She couldn't even get up to use the bathroom. One of the signs she knew something was not right was when she was bleeding after menopause this is what my brother has told me. I couldn't stand to see her in the hospital bed suffering. She had no life left in her, and I was eight at the time. Now if something happens to me, or other family members the information is useful thanks. I also found out amazon rainforest acai berries, and mangosteen have cancer fighting capabilities.

[christ4life]

There was a six year old girl who died recently from neroblastoma. I wounder wether chemicals in childrens bath products, or things we use can also cause cancer.

[chica314]

Hi llogun,

Thank you for posting all this great information--it's just fascinating what you learn on this forum. I am so thankful that people like you are so willing to get the truth out there and share their own experiences. I had heard a little bit about the alkaline diet, but this really laid it all out and now that list of foods you posted is definitely coming to the grocery store with me next time, lol!! I have a pretty junkfood based diet b/c I'm a college student, but I'm really going to make an effort to try to eat less sugar (major sweet tooth here) and more vegetables.

I also just had a quick question: I noticed that "wheat" is listed as acidic; is there any type of bread or tortilla wrap that would be okay to eat as an alkaline food?

Thank you again and well wishes to your health!! :)

[morethanatheory]

my aunt has cancer - she isn't taking chemo or anything like that from 'the doctors' ------ some of her family are trying to convince her to 'take the doctors advice' and use their treatments. She refuses though and is going about her own way to defeat the cancer.

Strong-willed woman, hope she gets through it. :)

[77777777]

I've not read much of this thread because of its size, but just thought I'd add a reply to say that in an oxygen rich environment, cancer cannot survive, so increasing oxygen in the blood or at least releasing it, is great for preventing & even curing cancer.

The best oxygen supplements available are sold at the finchley clinic's website:
http://www.thefinchleyclinic.com/shop/oxygenproducts-c-2.html?osCsid=u4i3al1sljhh3irbajnts5usa0
You can get them from other places too but these are the only products that will do the job properly. Oxygen Elements Max is probably the best one & can be taken at 21 drops instead of 7 for more effect when required. Get doctors permission before taking though in case of interference if on medication.

Oxygen Elements Max also helps to neutralize your ph level, which is also important.

[picha]

http://www.bamboo-delight.com/download/Cure_Cancer_with_Baking_Soda.htm

Curing Cancer with Baking Soda:

What MD’s and Naturopaths Don’t Know
by Gregory Delaney

Wouldn’t the delusional physicians and the big pharmacology swindlers be embarrassed to find that cancer could be cured with nothing more complicated than ordinary baking soda? Well, no, they wouldn’t be embarrassed because they would be outraged. All of their billions in profits vanishing in a twinkle, would not have these betrayers of Mankind at all happy with such a simple cancer cure. And yet, cancer can be cured with nothing more complicated than ordinary baking soda. And I will explain how.



While the greedy physicians and the cancer industry robber barons have been using every imaginable method for treating the symptoms of cancer, and while millions of people have suffered and died under the most astounding variety of mechanical, chemical, bio-technological and radiological absurdities, little progress in curing cancer has actually been made. And why? Well, to understand why, you would have to understand who is treating cancer before you can understand why it is not being cured. Who are these cancer physicians who claim to know so much yet fail to do anything useful?



Firstly, they are people who admit that they don’t know the cause of cancer or how to cure it. And yet they insist that they be allowed to “practice medicine” anyway! These oncologists admit that no matter what they do, you are going to die anyway, and so why not let them do something since they can make better use of your money than you can. Even though they admit that they don’t know what they are doing, they offer you just two (and only two) choices: (1) let them cut-poison-irradiate-and-transplant you which includes a free estimation of how long you will live or (2) do nothing at all which also includes a free, but much shorter, estimation of how long you will live. And so, with such limited choices, most people prefer to bequeath their savings account to the doctors for choice number one. At best, the physicians promise to drug you into unconsciousness so that you do not feel any pain either from your tumors or from their billing department.



But what happens if you don’t take their advice and choose alternative medicine, instead – you know, the choice that the doctors never mention to their patients? Since it has been proven that hospital patients live longer when the doctors go on strike, then alternative medicine is obviously better than a placebo. But they never mention that, either.



Secondly, these oncologists with all of their fancy degrees and years of microscopic confusion are really nothing more than disciples of fraud. This fraud is known as “symptomatic medicine”. And these cancer physicians prove their idiocy on a daily basis by classifying cancer as a “disease”. Would it be a joke on them if it was discovered that cancer really is not a disease at all but merely a “symptom” of something else? Hundreds of millions of dying cancer patients would certainly not be laughing. And millions of billionaire Big Pharma swindlers would not be laughing, either. Would it be a joke if it was discovered that cancer is not a disease at all and that these swindling greed-bags were actually mistaking the symptoms for the disease? I don’t think there would be much laughter in finding this to be true; but it is true. And here’s how this simple cure works.



The cancer quacks who are known as “modern physicians” (or oncology engineers), all know that there are many things that cause cancer. Does this ring a bell in their mighty brains? No, of course not. If there are many things that cause cancer, then how can cancer be classified as a disease? Isn’t it true, rather, that the many causative agents are the disease while the manifestations of tumors and malignancies are actually the symptom? This may seem strange but think about it a bit. And you alternative practitioners had better think about it a bit since the physicians have already proven that they are on the wrong track and haven’t thought about it enough.



If many things cause cancer (radiation, chemicals, viruses, sunlight, etc.) then even the dumbest physician knows enough to remove the primary cause. So, patients who work in the bright sun or in chemical factories are advised to avoid these situations. Hooray for the doctors who have common sense! But why are they so few?



Once you remove the primal cause, you are still left with a growing malignancy. (I am referring to the growing tumor and not to the doctors and the Big Pharma executives, themselves.) This cancerous growth has certain attributes that the idiot doctors overlook because they have been trained to use the most expensive methods possible for producing the largest possible profit for themselves and for their hospitals and for their drug suppliers. And after extracting all possible savings accounts, checking accounts, real property and insurance benefits, they send the dying patient home after saying, “We have done everything that we can do.” No, I don’t think many people will be laughing to discover that cancer can be cured with baking soda.



But even after the primary cause of the cancer is removed, why do the cancer cells keep growing? The doctors say because cancer is a disease. However, these practitioners of “symptomatic medicine” are mistaking the disease for the symptom. It is more accurate to say that the cancer is not the disease, itself, but is rather the symptom.



The maniac oncologists cut and radiate and poison and burn the cancer cells in an attempt to kill them. But the alternative practitioner prefers to let the powerful defenses of the body do all the work. And why? Because the body can take care of itself just fine as long as you provide it with what it needs to do the necessary healing. In this case, first remove the causative factors of cancer (such as the oncologists and Big Pharma robber barons) and then get to work on the underlying causes.



All cancer has some common denominators that the physicians think are inconsequential. But if you think about it a little bit, you will see that the oncologists are full of themselves and not full of knowledge. What they think is the disease, is actually the symptom. And what they think is inconsequential is actually the tiny, little cause for all of this suffering and disease. It’s a joke on the doctors, but nobody is laughing.



Here’s how it works. Normal cells that turn cancerous have specific jobs to do. Brain cells do brainy things, heart cells are on a bungee-jumper’s rush, liver cells strain today’s whiskey, kidney cells strain the beer and save the water, bladder cells hold the nasty stuff that the others strain, and skin cells enjoy a good suntan on a summer day. They all do different jobs. But when they turn cancerous, they throw all of that specialization aside.


Cancer cells do not evolve; they devolve. They do not perform the task specified in the blueprints of DNA, but they rebel and go it alone. Cancer cells give up being a high level technical worker in the body and become instead the lowest form of life. Worse than any truant teenager – all they do all day is eat, excrete, reproduce and do it all while holding their breath. While holding their breath? What is this little detail that is overlooked by the oncologists?


That’s right. Cancer cells don’t require a lot of oxygen to live. In fact, it is this low oxygen level that allows them to thrive. Or to put it in a way that even a physician can understand: Cancer cells become cancerous not because they are the disease but because they are normal cells reacting to the causative factors of disease. That is, cancer cells become cancer cells because they are normal cells that cannot live in any other way. They are following the First Commandment of Life: “Thou must live”. And in order for them to live, they must give up their specific functions in the body and devolve to a lower level of Life that is not so demanding of them. They become cancer cells in order to survive, not because they want to be cancer cells.


From this perspective you can say that cancer is normal. It is not a disease but rather it is the reaction of certain cells in the body to stress factors that cause these cells to choose de-evolution to a cancerous state as a means of cellular survival. They give up being highly advanced cells – brain, heart, liver, kidney, skin, etc. – and take a step downward to a lower function. They become cancerous as a survival strategy because nature only gives them this choice – or they must die. Cancer is the reaction of cells to various factors that will cause their death if they do not devolve to a lower, cancerous state.


Of course, the Big Pharma scoundrels and the physicians-for-hire want to “treat” cancer. Yes, they have devised a trillion “treatments” none of which do any good except to their bank accounts. There is a lot of money in “treatments”. You can talk about “treatments” for years. You can offer your customers … I mean, your “patients” … years and years of the latest and greatest of treatments. Treatments! Treatments! Treatments! Forever! And all of this time, while the victims are suffering and dying and giving the hospitals their last pennies in vain, the doctors can avoid ever, ever mentioning that most forbidden word of modern medicine – “cure”. And why? Because if they actually cure anyone of cancer, then they can’t get them back for any more treatments!


And yet, cancer is easily cured with nothing more complicated than baking soda. But before telling you how this is done, I want to review something that the Johns Hopkins Hospital has stolen from the alternative medical professionals. They sent out a newsletter in 2007 that has also been circulated by the Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Although their newsletter did not credit any alternative health practitioners or natural healing groups as to the source for their information, it was gratifying to see that what Naturopaths have been saying for over seventy years is finally being acknowledged by the swindlers of the Medical Monopoly. I will briefly review the main points of this newsletter below so that you Naturopathic Health experts and you idiots in the entrenched Medical Monopoly are all using the same language when you yell at each other.


All naturopaths already know these things but because it was new to the physicians and oncologists, here briefly is what the Johns Hopkins Hospital newsletter stated:

1. “Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells.

3. “Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk cancer cells are being starved.”

5. “Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.”

6. “A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).”

7. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water – best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic. Avoid it.”

8. “Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrefied and leads to more toxic buildup.”

9. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

10. “Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6 , Flor-ssence , Essiac , anti-oxidants , vitamins , minerals , EFAs, etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.”

11. “Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, un-forgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment.

13. “Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.”


And this ends the good advice that the Johns Hopkins Hospital tosses out … then forgets entirely about. Although they make some basic errors with their assertions because they don’t really understand natural nutrition, it does contain almost everything that naturopaths of all varieties have been practicing and teaching for many years. But it does not give credit where credit is due. The physicians purloin our knowledge and take it for their own discovery and then they bill their patients for the information that we freely give while pretending to be physicians of great learning. And so, let’s leave these medical maniacs and show how cancer is easily cured with nothing more than baking soda. You will need the above ten points to put the puzzle together. And I will leave you and the physicians to argue about the above data which they have plagiarized without fully understanding.

The newsletter makes much of the importance of avoiding acidic and seeking alkaline but they do not know how to put two-and-two together to make any sense out of the information that they have stolen from us. They do not understand the cheap and easy and effective Naturopathic Way because they follow the fraudulent and profitable and expensive way of symptomatic medicine.

One of the much-overlooked “minor” details of cancer cells is that they thrive in a low oxygen environment. When the body is not able to fully oxygenate, these cells must either die of asphyxiation and toxic build-up or they must devolve to a lower state of existence where they can live and grow without so much oxygen. They become cancerous because there is not enough oxygen for them to remain normally functioning.

In point #1, above, the physicians rightfully state that cancerous cells feed on sugar. Actually, all cells feed on glucose. They absolutely do not seem to understand the difference between what glucose and sucrose do to the blood. What the physicians are missing is that the sucrose table sugar, the white flour products, the red meats, dairy products, coffee, candy and soda pop that the hospital provides from the hospital kitchen and from the Coke and candy machines on every floor, are bad enough on their own. These are the junk foods that the patients, themselves, got sick on. What the physicians do not understand is the blood chemistry that these junk foods unbalance. Yes, they take the necessary chemical tests. But they do not understand their own data because they are looking for a complicated treatment when the simple cure is staring them in the face.

Everybody knows how to stick a toy balloon on the wall after rubbing it on your head. It will stick tightly during dry weather but maybe not at all during damp weather. This is because the electro-static charge is strong during dry weather but gets leaked away during damp weather. Well, the same principle applies to how oxygen sticks to the blood cells during oxygenation, but in an ionic fluid instead of in an electrostatic gas.

As blood cells pass through the lungs, there is a very delicate balancing act that takes place between their cell surfaces and the ionic charges of the surrounding plasma. As they pass through the lungs, these purple-colored blood cells have the ionic charge that they received when picking up carbon dioxide. In contact with lung oxygen, this charge gets reversed so that the carbon dioxide drops off and the reversed charge attracts and picks up oxygen molecules. As their ionic charge reverses as they pick up a full supply of oxygen and their color changes from purple to red, these oxygenated blood cells are carried along through the body until they get into the vicinity of body cells that have a surplus of carbon-dioxide and need some oxygen. At that point, the ionic charges again reverse as the oxygen drops off and the carbon dioxide is attracted and sticks to the blood cell which once again changes to a purple color and is carried to the lungs. Yin and yang, a changing balance of polarities.

But just like a toy balloon that cannot stick to the wall in wet weather, oxygen cannot stick to a blood cell if the ionic balance of the blood is acidic. This is what the physicians and oncologists are overlooking. Every damned one of them has observed the ringing alarm bell going off but have muffled their ears and closed their eyes because they are looking for some expensive and complicated cure for cancer when both the cause and the cure are actually very simple.

They observe that cancer thrives in an acidic environment but they feed their patients sugar, white flour, red meats, ice cream and cake for dessert at just about every meal. They observe that cancer dies in a high oxygen environment, but they treat their patients to a choice between Coke and Pepsi from the vending machine down the hall. It is either much too simple for them to understand or else they are a witless part of a greedy and voracious conspiracy against the health of all of Mankind. Those are the only two choices, Doctor; take your pick.

The ringing alarm bell that the physicians are overlooking is the blood pH. Every cancer patient that I have ever seen, all without exception, had an acidic blood pH. But while the oncologists are pumping the patient full of chemotherapy, pizzas, pancakes, cokes, ice creams, hamburgers and fries, sweet rolls and jams, followed by radiation and surgery, they are ignoring the fact that cancer thrives in a low oxygen environment.

Oxygen cannot stick to blood cells if the pH of the blood is acidic. And rather than do everything that they can to raise the pH back up to a normal pH of 7.4 so that the blood can function properly, they prefer surgery. All of the advice that they have stolen from naturopathic medicine about “deep breathing” will do them no good at all. You can breath pure oxygen until you catch on fire but if the blood pH is acidic, then the oxygen will not be able to be picked up by the blood cells. It is chemically impossible. The blood must be normal and normal blood has a pH of around 7.4 pH. Any vestigial traces of oxygen that the acid-drenched blood cells manage to pick up are stripped off early by the oxygen-starved cells along the way and never reach the deeper parts of the body where oxygen is most needed. And because the pH is acidic, carbon dioxide also is not transported efficiently and so builds up within the tissues leading both to cell death and to a cell-to-cancer de-evolution for survival.

So, yes, cancer can be cured with ordinary baking soda. Bicarbonate is found in the blood naturally for the very real purpose of neutralizing acids. Therefore, those who want to cure your cancers should first follow the stolen advise found in the above newsletter. Not that the oncologists understand or follow this advice, themselves, but since they stole it from naturopathic medicine at least we can all agree that it is good advice. So, go to the health food stores and change your diet immediately.

But also do this: Take a pinch of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) into your mouth, run it around your teeth and gums with your tongue while being sure to reach into the deepest parts of your gums and teeth and swallow it three times a day – more or less depending on how you feel. Also, drink a glass of water containing a teaspoon of baking soda before going to bed each night. But don’t over do this. Baking soda can kill you if you take too much of it. Take just a little bit and see how it makes you feel. If you feel okay, then take some more. Don’t overdo it but don’t be afraid to experiment. After all, the doctors experiment on you every time you go to see them as they “practice medicine”. So, why not experiment on yourself and save the money and the pain. But by all means change your diet to a natural and alkaline diet. And make baking soda a part of that diet.

The physicians will charge you a lot of money to take a pH test of your blood, but you can start monitoring the pH, yourself, by purchasing some pH test strips from a pharmacy. Test your tongue pH in the morning as well as your urine pH. Practice some yoga or Tai Chi Chuan or other deep breathing exercises and go on long walks to enjoy fresh air and your days on Earth. As your blood pH moves back up to the alkaline side of the chart, your deep breathing will fully oxygenate your blood. The cancer cells cannot survive all of that fresh oxygen so they die. And your T-killer cells, being full of vigor, will kill the cancer cells that remain. It’s as simple as that.

This is not advice that a cancer doctor will give you but it is advice that you can take whether you accept his treatments or not. After all, the normal pH of your blood is 7.4 but if the doctor wants to treat you without regard to what is normal, then maybe you should put yourself in Nature’s hands rather than his. If cancer is normal, then it would be normal for everybody to have cancer. But since it is not normal and since it thrives in situations that are not normal, then doesn’t it make sense to seek the things that are normal so that the cancer just disappears? A physician or oncologist who ignores the pH of your blood and does not know how to make it normal once again, is not qualified to be treating you in any way whatsoever. Avoid such physicians for the idiots that they are.

And whoops, oh dear! I am afraid that tooth decay is also cured with this simple remedy because baking soda kills decay-causing germs on contact. Will the purveyors of toothbrushes and pastes and drilling and filling and billing be pleased? No, those greedy betrayers and swindlers will not be pleased at all. They want you to be sick. But the sweet, happy smile of good health is the natural state of Mankind.

Great article. Most doctors seem to genuinely believe that being injected with mercury containing vaccines is somehow good for you, but for some bizarre reason most people STILL trust them with their health.

[gnosis_dub]

I agree with staying alkaline. (sea salt raises alkalinity too, don't use ordinary table salt!)

Take a look at Hulga Clark's research -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm4UWb3skHU&feature=relatedSome

http://curezone.com/clark/cancer.asp

Peace ;)

[winegums]

I agree with staying alkaline. (sea salt raises alkalinity too, don't use ordinary table salt!)

Take a look at Hulga Clark's research -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm4UWb3skHU&feature=relatedSome

http://curezone.com/clark/cancer.asp

Peace ;)

Hulga Clark's wiki may serve to cast doubts on her treatment's efficacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Regehr_Clark

[gnosis_dub]

Oh, it may be a case of 'you may the call' type of thing.

But here is a thoughtful website describing her concern for others and what a wonderful person she was:


http://www.myhealthblog.org/2009/09/07/so-sad-dr-hulda-clark-died-of-spinal-cord-injuries-last-september-3-2009/ (http://www.myhealthblog.org/2009/09/07/so-sad-dr-hulda-clark-died-of-spinal-cord-injuries-last-september-3-2009/)

And to add, I do believe that parasites do cause a lot of medical illnesses and may weaken you, making you more susceptible to getting cancer or other diseases.

[radikalgrl]

The Gerson Therapy is a natural treatment that has been proven to cure all stages of cancer - Gerson Therapy (http://www.foodmatters.tv/_webapp/Premium%20Access%20-%20Cancer%20Video%20Lessons)

[demonlover]

:(

Thats it llogun! Very true!
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In my viewe the primary cause of cancer is inner soul/consciousness Imbalance.

It is the conflict within ourselves that causes cancers!
No, this is not some 'spiritual crap'! It is a fact that emotions affect our body's electric circuit, which in turn has an effect on our physical bodies.

All supressed emotions have the capacity to develop into cancers! It is emotions, such as inner guilt, resentment and inner anger, that make us ill

Some people would just explode, smash things and let it out!
Others would keep it in, and get ill!!
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But as you mentioned, our 'Science' and medicine, would have none of the facts!
You are so right! My nutritionist told me the liver 'holds anger'!

[winegums]

You are so right! My nutritionist told me the liver 'holds anger'!

You realise nutritionist isn't a protected title, and anyone can say they're one?

Generally I always try to mentally search and replace "nutritionist" with "a bloke down the pub".

[weeme]

llogan

Brilliant thread. I wish more people would read and trust in alternative meds instead of believing the doctors and oncologists. Who better to believe than cancer survivors and their immediate family.

If I may suggest another site to look into

http://cancertutor.com/faq/faq_inexpensive.htm

[winegums]

Who better to believe than cancer survivors and their immediate family.

Oncologists, mainly, what with them spending their lives studying and learning about cancer and knowing the most effective ways to treat any given form at any given stage.

[thedivinetruth]

Oncologists, mainly, what with them spending their lives studying and learning about cancer and knowing the most effective ways to treat any given form at any given stage.


The same Oncologists that recieve their doctorate from a medical school sponsered by yours truley " Big Pharma" ??? No thanks I will use common sense and trust testomonials from people who have used alternatives and the alternative doctors who want to help patients without wanting the big bucks.

[pri01]

If you can access this journal article the author actually says chemotherapy is ineffective.

“Medical Oncology in the 90s”, Lancet, 1991, Vol. 337, p. 901
Chemo drugs have the highest failure rate in comparison to drugs used for other therapies yet "Oncologists" continue to prescribe them.

[winegums]

The same Oncologists that recieve their doctorate from a medical school sponsered by yours truley " Big Pharma" ??? No thanks I will use common sense and trust testomonials from people who have used alternatives and the alternative doctors who want to help patients without wanting the big bucks.

So you're saying all medical schools are funded by the big farmer, and all oncologists are just brainwashed? Presumably this brainwashing must go right down the scientific "stack", through biology, chemistry, physics...because oncologists don't make insane claims that aren't verifyable/backed up by biology and chemistry.

Testimonials are great too...you can get them for just about anything and they're really a "best of the bunch". Plus you can always just make them up anyway (as opposed to that pesky science which can be proven wrong).

[pri01]

So you're saying all medical schools are funded by the big farmer, and all oncologists are just brainwashed? Presumably this brainwashing must go right down the scientific "stack", through biology, chemistry, physics...because oncologists don't make insane claims that aren't verifyable/backed up by biology and chemistry.

Testimonials are great too...you can get them for just about anything and they're really a "best of the bunch". Plus you can always just make them up anyway (as opposed to that pesky science which can be proven wrong).

There is allways a clinical lead that dictates the treatment options. Am I wrong?

[darryl84]

Good information.

Subscribed. :)

[ambler1980]

There have been many documented cases of people beating cancer using holistic means. The big lie is you need chemo.

[dude111]

+999999999999999

Chemo destroys your system!!!!

[danceswithbunnies]

My grandfather was diagnosed with black lung (cancer)when he was 30 or so..and lived with it for 55 years while smoking like a house on fire.
Do i believe the Medical Cartels?
Fuck no.

BTW I NEED SOME HELP..FOR A RESCUE ANIMAL.
HAS LYMPHATIC CANCER, IS A RABBIT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY RESOURCES FOR ANIMALS?

because i am desperate i am going to start another thread..

[cazimi]

Cancercells live of fructose, check out this article on reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/idAFN0210830520100802?loomia_ow=t0%3As0%3Aa49%3Ag4 3%3Ar3%3Ac0.144046%3Ab36304944%3Az0)

[snakesnladders]

My chinese doctor cured a lady of breast cancer without her having an operation or chemo - she was supposed to die, but she didn't thanks to him; - her family wont speak to her for not taking the conventional route with treatment; and my chinese doctor gets jumped on by the Australian Medical Association if he tries to tell anyone about hte people he's cured or helped via his herbal treatments and diet advice.

i am one of them. I had breast cancer in my lymphs and all the standard stuff which was making me sicker. i was so sick when i came to him for help. through him i started to feel better for the first time in ages. then i read the books and info he showed me and began to understand that cancer can be cured - through diet - this is what i believe from all the info and books i have read.

i stopped conventional treatment against my doctors advice and my scans have still been clear.

i have changed my diet completely.

i feel that i owe my life to this guy and it pisses me off that he's not allowed to tell people or advertise about the people he has helped.

[snakesnladders]

By the way; now i am more worried of dying from the after effects of chemo - such as my heart having been poisoned by their toxic drugs and stopping at some point - which it may do if i dont help it as much as i can - or my kidneys or liver shutting down due ot the overload of toxic stuff they pumped into me.

swear - this is now what i worry about.

also years after the chemo is over i still shuffle like an old person and my heart feels like its gonna give way at any minute. i get pains in my kidneys and have to be careful what i eat /drink and do - my chinese doctor knew about my kidney problem without me saying anything - he could tell straight away and knew the problems id been having.

i think i will be okay with the help of my chinese doctor and diet and so on; but i reckon i came very close to death wiht the chemo - and whatever it's done to me, is permanent.

i went in a young 27 year old; and after chemo felt like i'd aged 10 years or more.

[snakesnladders]

Here is my anti cancer diet for anyone interested:

EAT: whole grains/brown rice; nuts (almonds, walnuts, brazil nuts - raw), seeds (e.g. pepita/sunflower, mushrooms, seaweed, vegetables - all types; some fruit - all types; some organic free range eggs; fish occasionally altho im becoming more vego. also i eat tofu. oil on salads - apricot kernel; flaxseed.

DRINK: spring water (NO flouridated or chlorinated tap water); wheatgrass juice with lime; vegie juice/fruit juice- freshly squeezed; soy milk (organic non gmo); rice/oat milk; herbal teas; green teas.


NONE OF: SUGAR (refined white sugar - even steer clear of brown sugar); RED MEAT (causes inflammation linked to cancer), DAIRY (linked to cancer - The China Study); soft drinks, sweets, cakes etc, artificial sweetners (aspartame = BAD), gmo, packaged foods, processed stuff etc.

CAN EAT: maple syrup, honey, stevia - in moderation for sweetners.

[darryl84]

By the way; now i am more worried of dying from the after effects of chemo - such as my heart having been poisoned by their toxic drugs and stopping at some point - which it may do if i dont help it as much as i can - or my kidneys or liver shutting down due ot the overload of toxic stuff they pumped into me.

swear - this is now what i worry about.

also years after the chemo is over i still shuffle like an old person and my heart feels like its gonna give way at any minute. i get pains in my kidneys and have to be careful what i eat /drink and do - my chinese doctor knew about my kidney problem without me saying anything - he could tell straight away and knew the problems id been having.

i think i will be okay with the help of my chinese doctor and diet and so on; but i reckon i came very close to death wiht the chemo - and whatever it's done to me, is permanent.

i went in a young 27 year old; and after chemo felt like i'd aged 10 years or more.


You might want to visit the site http://www.cancerisafungus.com there is a LOT of evidence that suggests cancer is a fungus caused by candida yeast like organisms, which is why a candida diet, which is basically an alkaline diet, helps cure cancer in conjuction with sodium bicarbonate (baka soda ingredient), which is very akaline.

[astralflyer]

One person, Dr Leonard Coldwell

The Only Answere To Cancer.

[nohone]

Out of curiosity, what do you guys think about this website here:

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html

If you scroll to "the bottom line", it'll say a whole mess of things that seem to contradict what was said here, such as...

"The idea that one must consume alkaline water to neutralize the effects of acidic foods is ridiculous; we get rid of excess acid by exhaling carbon dioxide. "

I found this while searching for alkaline bottled water.

[darryl84]

You might want to visit the site http://www.cancerisafungus.com there is a LOT of evidence that suggests cancer is a fungus caused by candida yeast like organisms, which is why a candida diet, which is basically an alkaline diet, helps cure cancer in conjuction with sodium bicarbonate (baka soda ingredient), which is very akaline.

I cannot edit what i wrote, i will just add, salvestrol drugs, which can be bought at http://www.naturopharma.com also help kill the fungus. These are naturally derived anti fungal drugs from fruit and vegetables.

[dude111]

My chinese doctor cured a lady of breast cancer without her having an operation or chemo - she was supposed to die, but she didn't thanks to him; - her family wont speak to her for not taking the conventional route with treatment; and my chinese doctor gets jumped on by the Australian Medical Association if he tries to tell anyone about the people he's cured or helped via his herbal treatments and diet advice......i feel that i owe my life to this guy and it pisses me off that he's not allowed to tell people or advertise about the people he has helped.God bless you for finding this guy and trying to get BETTER and not worse my friend!!

God bless this lady for believing this doctor...... ITS TOO BAD HER FAMILY IS IGNORANT!!!!!

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/435/grouphugym7.gif

[astralflyer]

"The idea that one must consume alkaline water to neutralize the effects of acidic foods is ridiculous; we get rid of excess acid by exhaling carbon dioxide. "
.

You Know more than you realize my friend. Although not all of our acids are released by breathing, otherwise wed never get sick!

Here is some useful information on water if your interested. https://www.ewater.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=56&Itemid=87

[winegums]

The body has some pretty good systems for managing blood acidity (buffering, respiration, renal system...I think the liver might play a role too). The idea that cancer is a fungus is so totally absurd that it'd be funny if it wasn't the sort of magic thinking that kills people.

[thelucifer]

The body has some pretty good systems for managing blood acidity (buffering, respiration, renal system...I think the liver might play a role too). The idea that cancer is a fungus is so totally absurd that it'd be funny if it wasn't the sort of magic thinking that kills people.

The only "magic thinking" I have witnessed has been/is people thinking the medical/big pharma system seeks to help/cure.

They are commercial ventures.

[dude111]

Yes thats correct!!!

ITS ALL ABOUT $$$ AND SADLY SO MANY PPL ARE BLINDED TO THIS!!

:(

[kblood]

I found this:

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=64135

I got the link from a friend. It should work quite well against cancer, and just about any other disease as well. From all the health places I have been and read about, most of the things in this thread is agreed upon to be healthy.

I admit I do not live this way, but I am somewhat close. At least I do eat fruits and nuts, and do not drink much milk or eat milk products. Still I get plenty of crappy foods in me, that does more harm than good. Does not stop me from letting others know that its a good idea though.

[winegums]

The only "magic thinking" I have witnessed has been/is people thinking the medical/big pharma system seeks to help/cure.

They are commercial ventures.

Argument from final consequences. yawn.

or, if you'd prefer,
Big farmer doesn't want you to get better, since no sick people means no profits, just like David Icke doesn't want you to know the whole truth, since that'd mean he'd have no books or seminars to sell.

[astralflyer]

Yes this is true in a sense. The reason some people believe cancer is a fungus is from Candida yeast overgrowth.

This overgrowth is caused by and acidic body that also harbors cancer. A diet high in refined carbohydrates helps the growth of this fungus. Refined carbohydrates are what cancer cells love too. This yeast causes its host to have cravings for things like sugar and pasta. You know you have candidia when your breath reeks no matter how much you brush your teeth, you have a bloated stomach and are fatigued and generally stressed. An acidic body allows all disease to thrive.

Anyone thats ever taken antibiotics has an overgrowth of this yeast. A raw diet rich in greens can help starve it out along with probiotics from fermented foods and a candida cleanse.

If your going to get probiotics from yogurt its a good idea to eat plain and organic yogurt. The high fructose corn syrup in all the big brands and sugars in others feeds the candida, thus negating the beneficial effects of the bacteria cultures.

Hope this helps.

[astralflyer]

Big farmer doesn't want you to get better, since no sick people means no profits, just like David Icke doesn't want you to know the whole truth, since that'd mean he'd have no books or seminars to sell.

David Icke is still uncovering the whole truth, so there will always be books. Noone knows the whole truth. Comon you know that much!

[winegums]

This overgrowth is caused by and acidic body that also harbors cancer.
...An acidic body allows all disease to thrive.

the more I read this acid/alkeline excuse for disease the more it bothers me. Your body does not have a single, uniform pH. It varies considerably from place to place (the internal of the stomach has a pH around 0, skin is around 5.5 - ideally; and blood is around 7.4). Blood pH is expected to be in the range of 7.35 to 7.45, and your body is going to use various mechanisms to keep it in this range (by and large, anything you chow down in mass quantities to force your body to go one way or the other will just be excreted).


David Icke is still uncovering the whole truth, so there will always be books. Noone knows the whole truth. Comon you know that much!

And medical companies are still discovering cures for things. Nobody knows how to cure everything. In fact, given they have tens of thousands of employees, if they did have the ultimate cure, someone would invariably blab or leak it, whereas David is just one person, so it's a lot easier to keep quiet. Based on this stupid argument of "they're out to make/keep people sick", it'd be easier for someone like David to keep the truth from you than a pharma company.

[astralflyer]

Your body does not have a single, uniform pH. It varies considerably from place to place (the internal of the stomach has a pH around 0, skin is around 5.5 - ideally; and blood is around 7.4). Blood pH is expected to be in the range of 7.35 to 7.45, and your body is going to use various mechanisms to keep it in this range (by and large, anything you chow down in mass quantities to force your body to go one way or the other will just be excreted).
You should do more research.

And medical companies are still discovering cures for things. Nobody knows how to cure everything. In fact, given they have tens of thousands of employees, if they did have the ultimate cure, someone would invariably blab or leak it, .


You should do even more research here.

[mila]

I listened to three hours of Dr. Leonard Coldwell on Coast-to-Coast am radio
and I was absolutely blown away.

Dr. Coldwell: The Only Answer to Cancer Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi1QrgPAnvI

His website:
http://drleonardcoldwell.com/
and:
http://www.instinctbasedmedicine.com/

[winegums]

You should do more research.




You should do even more research here.

No, really, what are you talking about? Stomach acid is highly acidic, so it can break things down. Skin isn't nearly as acidic. Blood isn't either. By all means point to some source that says otherwise.

[smithers jones]

BTW I NEED SOME HELP..FOR A RESCUE ANIMAL.
HAS LYMPHATIC CANCER, IS A RABBIT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY RESOURCES FOR ANIMALS?.

Hi Danceswithbunnies
hope this might be of interest to you,taken from The Wheatgrass Book by Anne Wigmore.....
Over the years ,many pets including cats,dogs,birds,monkeys and gerbils have benefitted from the use of Wheatgrass and it's juice.If your pet seem's to be ill,try chopping some fresh Wheatgrass into it's food.Chop finely if you're feeding a cat or dog.You may also be able to give your pet Wheatgrass either in it's drinking water or with a dropper.If all else fails try rubbing a small amount onto your pets fur,in most cases they'll lick it off.
There's also a testimony from a dog breeder called Tom Stem from Canada which might also be of use to you in your work from another book called Wheatgrass-Natures finest medicine,author Steve Meyerowitz

[hunkahunka]

don't miss this wonderful film on alternative healing and the suppressed cancer cure:

The Beautiful Truth

http://www.youtube.com/user/commonagenet#grid/user/9FC2F851F0E5FC55

[astralflyer]

No, really, what are you talking about? Stomach acid is highly acidic, so it can break things down. Skin isn't nearly as acidic. Blood isn't either. By all means point to some source that says otherwise.

Ill just say stomach acid and the ph of your skin have nothing to do with your health. Its your blood ph. Milas post right above you is all you need to know. Dr C has the highest cancer cure rate on earth. Ph has everything to do with curing cancer.

just look at Dr C's materials and you will discover how importnat PH is.

[astralflyer]

I listened to three hours of Dr. Leonard Coldwell on Coast-to-Coast am radio
and I was absolutely blown away.

Dr. Coldwell: The Only Answer to Cancer Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi1QrgPAnvI

His website:
http://drleonardcoldwell.com/
and:
http://www.instinctbasedmedicine.com/



Hi Mila, I missed that show. But he is pretty amazing isnt he?

Ive seen him live 2 times, he is one of the craziest and most halariouse people you will ever meet. Im seeing him live again in Long Beach California. I cant wait!

[winegums]

Ill just say stomach acid and the ph of your skin have nothing to do with your health. Its your blood ph. Milas post right above you is all you need to know.

So, a stomach acid pH of 14 would be fine?

Dr C has the highest cancer cure rate on earth. Ph has everything to do with curing cancer.

[citation needed]

just look at Dr C's materials and you will discover how importnat PH is.

Watched part one, not impressed at all. Firstly videos are rubbish, no references, no proof, just some guy making stats up as they go. His argument about the headaches was very weak. A headache is a symptom, so yes he's right in that one treatment may not fix everyone's headache, but that's a false premise anyway - mainstream medicine has never said that.
You can have a headache from a brain tumour, or from stress, or from dehydration. A doctor wouldn't treat all of these the same.

[catnik54]

Excellent thread llogun .
gatherig info together at least here you can be heard .You are getting thru to people just by relating your story .Prevention is better than cure.So im sure this will help lots of people balance their bodies and remain healthy.Keep on keeping on ,your doing a good job :D

I don't know if cigarettes are worth talking about..but can I please share the title of the book.....The Only Way to Give up Smoking Permanently.. by Allen Carr...which is an excellent book...it de-programmes the smoking programme in the brain and stops you caring about the symptoms of nicotine withdrawal so you can withdraw so easily without having cravings...also it explains things in a David Icke type of way how not being able to stop is an illusion created by the mind and how its all in the use of language and belief that makes us a slave to cigarettes...how willpower is not the answer to giving up...and the stop smoking industry depends on people smoking as much as cancer surgeons depend on people having cancer to keep them in work.I was a very heavy smoker and read this book in 1997...I haven't smoked since and find the smell and smoke disgusting.Its in all WHSmiths this book.

I'd also like to warn women who have lumpy breasts not to be manipulated into having routine mammograms if referred to breast clinics. Multiple lumps that I have disappear when I stop eating diary...I've had these lumps five years and I believe..having a mammogram gives you cancer in lumpy breasts. I refused a scan and consultant didn't like it...I know she wanted to give me cancer cause then she had work to do...that's why she hated me saying I wouldn't have one and tried to persuade me it was risky not to and wouldn't let me have ultrasound scan which my GP said would do the same job of identifying if the lumps were cysts.
I had a high CPR level and that's why my GP wanted to refer me to breast clinic to make sure I didn't have anything wrong but i knew I didn't have cancer anyway because I had them checked when they first appeared and the GP explained exactly how she knew they weren't cancer and exactly what a cancerous lump feels like...they know just by touching you and examining you how likely it is to really be cancerous they don't have to give you a mammogram routinely to diagnose it. They can identify a cancerous lump and confirm with a biopsy straight away.
I'm suspicious how they have decided they might stop mammograms in non lumpy breasts as screening but give them routinelt to us if we are referred to breast clinics..I don't have to ask if anyone else has this prssure from consultants to have mamograms I know lots of you have.

Katie Nikiforou

Katie

[thedivinetruth]

Winegums,

Why are you on these forums, just to argue and make yourself seem important? When you say you would rather go by science then testomonials what do you mean by that? The science that is studied in medical school is nearly the same science that is studied in acupuncture, naturopath, chiropractic school. However, in the alternative schools they have different ways of treatment then medical schools. I have had personal experiences with people being cured from pH diets. Why would they lie, they don't get paid for testomonies? And yes, almost every medical school now has books written by companies like Merck.
Or is it because you have never seen it with your own eyes? Just like the people that say we are the only ones that exist in our universe because they have not seen a UFO or alien, you are probably one of those im sure. The alternative treatments have been going on since the begining of time but it is our Western politics and propaganda that are preventing the people from knowing the truth. There are so many stories including several people in my family of people becoming worse when on radiation.
Your point with pH makes no sense about having different pH's in your body and that being related on how it makes you sick. You obviously have no background in much science or logic in that matter. Yes we have different pH levels in different organs throughout our body. However it is only measured through urine, blood, and saliva. Taking just one of these measurments can give a good indication of your total bodies pH. To get a great reading you should take all 3. But almost always if one is acidic the others will be. Saliva ph should be 7.1-7.4, urine pH = 6.4-6.8, blood is 7.35-7.45. Even medical doctors are starting to realize the importance of pH balances. Of course they won't know alot about coming out of med school because they just don't teach it. Plus they do not learn alot about diet and nutrition.
Go do more research, or are you just going to take the word of Big Pharm? Maybe you should get a job with them, im sure they are hiring.

[alexanderlight]

With friendship and respect, I want to post the cancer cures that I've heard of.

1. Hemp oil (THC kills cancer)! The cheapest and fastest cancer cure!
Click the following links:
-"Run from the cure" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI)
-"The Emperor of Hemp" (6 parts) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP5-Tqy4Ip0)
-"Safely making medicinal hemp oil" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sCz3ZKjaRE)
-"Official Site of Jack Herer" (http://www.phoenixtears.ca/)

2. B -17 Vitamin
Click the following links:
-"World without Cancer" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfj1AEnC-XU)
-"Cancer reversal testimony" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1fumAO0t0k)
-"Five cancer reversal testimonies" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjVGd2yw_To)

3. Sodium bicarbonate
Haven't had time to go over this treatment. I found about this one recently. Please do your own research if interested.
-"Sodium bicarbonate - cure for cancer!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npgyZMaewuE)

4. Alkaline Diet
You've have already said most of what's to know about this.
- 1 Click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttm3q7kweL4)
- 2 Click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-jF1MYTU_I)
Don't forget the apricot seeds, which seem to be very helpful in this treatment!

I see no reason why people should not try ALL these cures combined.

Much love and light to all people in need! Good luck with the treatments and don't forget to also add love in your lives! :)

[zendman]

It's weird I didn't seen this ever on a forum.
http://www.germannewmedicine.ca/documents/videos.html

good luck, it will chance your point of view about cancer to a hole other level.

The Zendman

[winegums]

The science that is studied in medical school is nearly the same science that is studied in acupuncture, naturopath, chiropractic school. However, in the alternative schools they have different ways of treatment then medical schools.
Except acupuncture, naturopathy, chiropractic don't really have evidence-based treatment. All the research shows these modalities of treatment don't work. They may follow the same learning pattern as grown up medicine, but when it comes to actually following evidence-based medicine practises, they fall short.

I have had personal experiences with people being cured from pH diets. Why would they lie, they don't get paid for testomonies?
Ignorance. Post hoc ergo procter hoc.
And yes, almost every medical school now has books written by companies like Merck.
[citation needed]. You know Gray's has been in use for a long time...

Or is it because you have never seen it with your own eyes? Just like the people that say we are the only ones that exist in our universe because they have not seen a UFO or alien, you are probably one of those im sure.
Yeah, I'm one of those pests that likes 'proof' and 'evidence' of insane theories. Bit of a stickler for facts I'm afraid :(
The alternative treatments have been going on since the begining of time but it is our Western politics and propaganda that are preventing the people from knowing the truth.
we used to burn witches too, should we have stopped doing that? argument from tradition. next.
There are so many stories including several people in my family of people becoming worse when on radiation.
and you can prove it was the radiation that made them ill and not...y'know...the cancer?

Your point with pH makes no sense about having different pH's in your body and that being related on how it makes you sick....
my point was that your body doesn't have *a* pH, rather various places have differing pHs and lowering the pH isn't necessarily a good thing.

Even medical doctors are starting to realize the importance of pH balances. Of course they won't know alot about coming out of med school because they just don't teach it.

yeah...so I'm pretty certain you have no idea what goes in a medical school. pH is a standard test, and its importance is taught from very early on.

[kblood]

You are a strange one Winegums. There are cures for most diseases.

thedivinetruth already answered your question about pH values.

What is the success rate of chemo therapy though? I mean how successful are they at curing the body with poison? Not so much? Thats a shocker. But some does get cured? Well yes. Some survives worse things as well.

I have been told that Schizophrenia is incurable. After the medical science having been proven wrong so many times its rather amazing how they use such a word so often.

The biggest problem is most doctors believe what they preach. But I guess thats how the world is.

http://seer.cancer.gov/csr/1975_2007/browse_csr.php?section=13&page=sect_13_table.22.html

Lets look at the statistics. Of all races, white people are the ones most affected by cancer? I guess it might be because we are the ones mostly following the western traditions. And many of these lead to cancer. Also it seems the statistics is mostly based on white people for whatever reason. Since that the overall is only a bit lower than the white population statistics even though they are about or at least up to 0.3% higher with just about all their risks compared to other races.

These are all on leukemia.
http://seer.cancer.gov/csr/1975_2007/browse_csr.php?section=13&page=sect_13_table.10.html

The death rate on white people from this kind of cancer is at least 1% higher for white people. Guess it shows that a way of living can have something to say in this. Or is it racial resistance? Well I doubt it.

This is where it gets interesting though:
http://seer.cancer.gov/csr/1975_2007/browse_csr.php?section=34&page=sect_34_table.01.html

Survival rate is also higher for white people. This is however on a 5 year period. It is not about whether they got cured or not. White people are diagnosed with cancer much more than the other races, so I would guess that the survival rate being higher could be partly due to some having gotten the diagnosis wrong?

http://scientificliving.net/2010/07/chemotherapy-statistics-can-be-misleading/

Here is a place that already did some footwork, and made it simpler to see. Survival chance with chemo is not really that good. I think I will take my chances, and say no to chemo if I was ever offered it.

[kblood]

Another interesting statistic:

http://seer.cancer.gov/csr/1975_2007/browse_csr.php?section=1&page=sect_01_zfig.02.html

Cause of Death 1975 percent of all causes of death
All Malignant Cancers 19.2%

causes of death 2007 percent of all causes of death
All Malignant Cancers 23.2%

Cancers rose 4 % as a cause of death... is medical science getting worse each year, or is it our way of living? Something just does not add up.

[thesoundofsalvia]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet but...


Hulda Clark has got alot of readily availible information on her website about the parasites that every cancer patient has, and the alcohol content in their bodies....as well as the herbs and living condition recommendations that she 's tried and tested. She has a device that can read the frequency of different critters, parasites and viruses alike.

http://www.drclark.net/en/drclark_protocol/cancer.php

And then here:
This site carries all three of the main plants she mentioned in her book the cure for all cancers: http://www.nationalnutrition.ca/detail.aspx?ID=2112

This woman was banned out of the States, and I think Canada, and was stuck in mexico for a while because of her 'claims' But now her books are back in print and she's a free woman again from what i've heard.

I've only briefly read about her stuff. But i understand the science behind the machine that she's created.

I hope all can live to be happy healthy people.. killing the bugs and misinformatives that plague our lives.

[poorbutterfly]

Just be careful about the alkalinity, though. There needs to be a balance. There is a condition called Hypochlorhydria which means a person is too alkaline. The key is to be neither too acidic nor too alkaline, but maintain the right balance.

[astralflyer]

Dr Leonard Coldwell
did I say Dr Leonard Coldwell?

let me say it again

Dr Leonard Coldwell

he has a PROVEN 92% cancer cure rate

conventional allopathic medicine has a PROVEN 3% cure rate


need I say his name again? What he does WORKS

over 35,000 documented and CURED patients!!!!

[winegums]

Dr Leonard Coldwell
did I say Dr Leonard Coldwell?

let me say it again

Dr Leonard Coldwell

he has a PROVEN 92% cancer cure rate

conventional allopathic medicine has a PROVEN 3% cure rate


need I say his name again? What he does WORKS

over 35,000 documented and CURED patients!!!!


[citation needed]

[angelthecat]

what happened to Cancer cures

cancer-forbidden-cures (http://www.tpuc.org/content/cancer-forbidden-cures)

sorry if its been posted before
93 mins

[wakeupworld]

what happened to Cancer cures

cancer-forbidden-cures (http://www.tpuc.org/content/cancer-forbidden-cures)

sorry if its been posted before
93 mins

Just started to watch this from a link from the TPUC website, must admit brought a tear or two to my eyes when I realised just how many wonderful people have cured people of this so called incurable disease. Bless them all.

[indolering]

Dear NaturalNews readers,

Merry Christmas! Today is the perfect day to announce a very important upcoming LIVE event featuring Charlotte Gerson who will reveal new solutions for curing heart disease, diabetes, cancer and obesity. It all happens this coming Tuesday! Here's the official announcement of this LIVE webcast event:
http://www.naturalnews.com/030834_Charlotte_Gerson_cancer_cures.html

[hyundisonata]

At least someone has applied common sense. Bicarbonate soda. Yip good old co2. This is the reason I advocate global warming as a scam. If you reduce the co2 in the atmosphere you’re asking for trouble. There is a shortage of that nice gas and it is the main component that keeps you alive and healthy, its main roll in the human body is PH regulator, lower the intake and your lifestyle will put you acid or alkaline. The pharma boys know this and they know that keeping you ill is big money to them. Another important role of co2 is to keep your blood circulating allowing oxygen to reach all the organs. One of the main causes of cancer is when oxygen starvation causes the cells to deteriorate allowing the disease to get a hold. But don’t believe old me. go do some research and you will find that there is not an over abundance of co2 as stated and you will not find any statistics on how much is consumed by life and that includes plant and other such as oceans , against how much is available daily. Do the maths’s your self and see the truth behind why most of the world are becoming sick.

[winegums]

At least someone has applied common sense. Bicarbonate soda. Yip good old co2. This is the reason I advocate global warming as a scam. If you reduce the co2 in the atmosphere you’re asking for trouble. There is a shortage of that nice gas and it is the main component that keeps you alive and healthy, its main roll in the human body is PH regulator, lower the intake and your lifestyle will put you acid or alkaline. The pharma boys know this and they know that keeping you ill is big money to them. Another important role of co2 is to keep your blood circulating allowing oxygen to reach all the organs. One of the main causes of cancer is when oxygen starvation causes the cells to deteriorate allowing the disease to get a hold. But don’t believe old me. go do some research and you will find that there is not an over abundance of co2 as stated and you will not find any statistics on how much is consumed by life and that includes plant and other such as oceans , against how much is available daily. Do the maths’s your self and see the truth behind why most of the world are becoming sick.

You're confusing HCO3- and CO2. This undermines your rant somewhat. In fact, it undermines it totally.

[ponzi nemesis]

Do any of you know about GcMAF? I started a thread about it here (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=160916). In short it looks like a pretty reliable way of reversing cancer without side effects and has peer-reviewed papers published in respected journals to back this up.

[indolering]

Do any of you know about GcMAF? I started a thread about it here (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=160916). In short it looks like a pretty reliable way of reversing cancer without side effects and has peer-reviewed papers published in respected journals to back this up.

Good one, Ponzi. This is such a serious topic, it's hard for me to even think about sometimes, knowing the tremendous amount of suffering going on which could easily be prevented by the variety of real cures now known to exist. I could never be a doctor, but healing is a fascinating subject and everyone should be taught the basic lessons of health.

[cigar]

I've looked into this thread, going on the original posters ideas, the poster named "llogun" I did read what they had said very carefully and understood what they were saying but there is one problem...

This whole thread is nothing more than just a lie. There is no evidence to claim that cancer is caused by more or less alkaline or acid in the body.

I even checked this out with a cancer specialist, bearing in mind this is a guy who deals with cancer patients all the time, I put the question to him and he said that it is untrue. Therefore I have to go along with my own judgement that this thread is nothing more than complete rubbish. The only way to either help or prevent cancer in the real world is to either operate on the patient or supply a chemotherapy drug.

Sadly the person who originally wrote this thread is trying to twist the ways of how cancer does affect people. Yes I am right in what I'm saying, anybody who agrees with the original thread poster is wrong.

My thoughts about the ideas posted in this thread is most likely to try and promote or sell rather some kind of drug or ideas for profit like a money making scheme. I just think it is very sad really that people will talk about these things like this.

The specialist said, "UNTRUE". I rest my case. Believe what you want if you get suckered in but I am merely stating the facts here.

[indolering]

Opinion noted and filed. Thanks for checking in.

Welcome to the DI forum (I think).

[madgoone]

I've looked into this thread, going on the original posters ideas, the poster named "llogun" I did read what they had said very carefully and understood what they were saying but there is one problem...

This whole thread is nothing more than just a lie. There is no evidence to claim that cancer is caused by more or less alkaline or acid in the body.

I even checked this out with a cancer specialist, bearing in mind this is a guy who deals with cancer patients all the time, I put the question to him and he said that it is untrue. Therefore I have to go along with my own judgement that this thread is nothing more than complete rubbish. The only way to either help or prevent cancer in the real world is to either operate on the patient or supply a chemotherapy drug.




the only liar is you,get your facts right and learn something before posting junk

Sadly the person who originally wrote this thread is trying to twist the ways of how cancer does affect people. Yes I am right in what I'm saying, anybody who agrees with the original thread poster is wrong.

My thoughts about the ideas posted in this thread is most likely to try and promote or sell rather some kind of drug or ideas for profit like a money making scheme. I just think it is very sad really that people will talk about these things like this.

The specialist said, "UNTRUE". I rest my case. Believe what you want if you get suckered in but I am merely stating the facts here.

the only liar is you,get your facts right and learn something before posting junk
THERE IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE of the relation of cancer(PROVEN) between an acidic and alkaline body.go and learn or join that other disinfo shill called whiney who still posts with BS!as for your cancer specialist HAS HE CURED CANCER permanatley :D:D:D:D:D:D:D i dont think so,but you call him a specialist,cya and dont come back

[cigar]

as for your cancer specialist HAS HE CURED CANCER permanatley :D:D:D:D:D:D:D i dont think so,but you call him a specialist

Yes, actually he has permanently cured people of cancer. He is a professional cancer specialist duh! It is his job, he helps to save people's lives. Also there are those who are sadly unable to be cured and they cannot be cured of it but he can still help to prolong their lives by prescribing chemotherapy drugs.

I think that somebody who argues with a cancer specialist really has no idea what they are talking about themselves. I take your comment that you made towards me as completely immature and also very foolish. The specialist I spoke to, I did go out of my way to ask him if the information provided in this thread is true and he said... NO. It has got nothing to do with it.

Purely facts, no need for an arguement, that is not the solution. But for people who read this thread it is not to be taken in by. The comments made by the original poster are not facts, they are merely incorrect claims.

Do you believe some random poster like on this thread?

OR...

Do you believe a professional cancer expert/specialist who helps to save people's lives all the time?

I know who I believe ;)

[madgoone]

I rest my case

[winegums]

the only liar is you,get your facts right and learn something before posting junk
THERE IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE of the relation of cancer(PROVEN) between an acidic and alkaline body.go and learn or join that other disinfo shill called whiney who still posts with BS!as for your cancer specialist HAS HE CURED CANCER permanatley :D:D:D:D:D:D:D i dont think so,but you call him a specialist,cya and dont come back

The last post I made on this thread was pointing out someone had confused carbon dioxide with bicarbonate. Ad hominem doesn't seem beneath you, but is explaining a fundamental failure to grasp chemistry really 'shilling'?

[hadabusa]

wheres the proof+documentation.

op first says cured my symptoms, later its cancer.

not 1 reference to what cancer, nothing.

[madgoone]

Hi winedums:) cured anything lately:D oh i forgot you cant,maybe if you repeat your sameold comments to a sick patient you might heal them:D:D
Dr OTTO WARBURG 1931 won the nobel prize for medicine(do you have a nobel prize winegum?) for finding the root cause and survival mechanisms of cancer cells and proved that bodies with a low ph were more cancerous!


your next post will avoid/ignore/ the research from a nobel winner and carry on with your trolling/disinfo as some might call it
Btw windums:D i knew two people dead in the last 6 months from sideeffects of perscribed drugs,you promote/work for pharma can you explain to me that if pharma are THE best medicines why did these people die,hmm maybe they did not swallow them correctly or took them with icecream:(

[winegums]

madgoone the narrative you've built up in your head is a bit concerning. Nowhere have I claimed to work for the pharmaceutical industry, nor do I represent it or any parties interested in it.

It's surprising that in one breath you can chide experts, authority figures as shills, yet in the next perform an appeal to authority regarding a Nobel prize winner without the slightest hint of irony.

As I said in possibly another thread, do you not think there's a danger of becoming too alkeline (alkelosis)? How alkeline do you need to be to be cancer-free? How do you regulate the pH of one body compartment without all others? Are we talking blood pH, stomach pH, skin pH...? Is there research in animals/humans showing correlation between pH in one of these areas and rate of incidence of cancer?

This seems to be an example of trying to apply petri-dish science to human beings. With petri-dish science I can cure HIV with soapy water...

[madgoone]

Did you ignore Dr OTTO WARBURG(NOBEL PRIZE WINNER) research on cancer and then try to say alkalinity is possibly dangerous,do you have a nobel prize winegum

You passed my test with flying colours!

You waffle on and even mention soapywater :D

My long term buddy is a doc at a well known hospital in london admitted to me PHARMA dont cure shit but are good at cutting things off if needed, but he still spouts medical school research that dont work!



(How do you regulate the pH of one body compartment without all others? Are we talking blood pH, stomach pH, skin pH...? Is there research in animals/humans showing correlation between pH in one of these areas and rate of incidence of cancer?)

im sure proper level of alkalinity of BLOOD/WATER (seeing as our bodys use it a lot DUH!:D would regulate the ph of the body.:cool:

Winegum dont get a disease(mental probs:D) cause going by your knowledge you will be fooked:D just ask all the others with diseases strung out on pills.

BTW you also ignored this

i knew two people dead in the last 6 months from side effects of perscribed drugs,you promote/work for pharma can you explain to me that if pharma are THE best medicines why did these people die,hmm maybe they did not swallow them correctly.

Please let us know Winegums why, without diversion tactics you looser:D (sigh)

[winegums]

Did you ignore Dr OTTO WARBURG(NOBEL PRIZE WINNER) research on cancer and then try to say alkalinity is possibly dangerous,do you have a nobel prize winegum

Except his research is 100 years old, and incorrect. His observations on tumours performing glycolysis were correct, and have even been the basis of anti-cancer therapies, but the fact is that cancerous cells 'choose' to perform anerobic respiration, even in oxygenated environments.

The cause of cancer is much better understood now (google the term "p53" if you want to get a better understanding).


(How do you regulate the pH of one body compartment without all others? Are we talking blood pH, stomach pH, skin pH...? Is there research in animals/humans showing correlation between pH in one of these areas and rate of incidence of cancer?)

im sure proper level of alkalinity of BLOOD/WATER (seeing as our bodys use it a lot DUH!:D would regulate the ph of the body.:cool:

Ok, so a few questions come from that:
i) what would your blood pH have to be to avoid cancer?
ii) What about the brain/nervous system?
iii) What about other tissues like skin, which have a different pH from blood?


BTW you also ignored this

i knew two people dead in the last 6 months from side effects of perscribed drugs,you promote/work for pharma can you explain to me that if pharma are THE best medicines why did these people die,hmm maybe they did not swallow them correctly.

Please let us know Winegums why, without diversion tactics you looser:D (sigh)

There's so much wrong with that rant I'm not even sure where to start.
As I said, I don't work for any pharmaceutical companies. I'm confused as to why you keep saying that I do, despite having no evidence that I do (because, protip: I don't).

Without knowing the specifics of your friends', conditions, it's impossible to say in any way what happened. It may just be that they died of side effects from their treatments, and that is sad, but it's the nature of medicine.

For me, the best medicine is the kind that is evidence-based. Be that some pills, surgery, therapy, or doing nothing at all.

[madgoone]

You seem to ignore the fact that people are getting better from cancer and other disease by restoring their acidic bodies to alkaline from the research Of DR OTTO Nobel Prize winner,the ama/pharma tried to destroy his research and blacken his name to protect profits,just like you do here with any alternative treatments,your not kidding anyone,you have been blind trialled.Check out Dr Day(surgeon) who was like any brainwashed doc till she got cancer and realised most people die from the poisons of chemo and rad or get more tumours later on.

Winedums:D your persistant but you only bring bs to the table time and time again,they must pay you well ,oh forgot to mention GOOd LUCK to u if u get cancerous like the crap you post ."The cause of cancer is much better understood now" and cure rates no different from 1920's.DEbunk waffle all you want but the truth is out there and they dont want us to know thats why we have scabs like you feeding bs.
Come back when your qualified and smoke a cigar while your at it:D

[winegums]

You haven't addressed my questions, madgoone..

i) what would your blood pH have to be to avoid cancer?
ii) What about the brain/nervous system?
iii) What about other tissues like skin, which have a different pH from blood?

[madgoone]

ou haven't addressed my questions, madgoone..

i) what would your blood pH have to be to avoid cancer?
ii) What about the brain/nervous system?
iii) What about other tissues like skin, which have a different pH from blood?



i=alkaline not acidic ,its not rocket science
ii=above :D:
iii=above:D:

alternative meds can and do fix cancer permanently
pharma poison Can kill you and give you more cancers and side effects FACT,get over it .Your job is to steer people away from alternatives to pharma drugs,ask usless questions while avoiding the truth.You have passed the test posted up on another well known forum that shows how to spot the shill you get A+ score :D
Oh i forgot to mention i put this alternative knowledge into real life situations and guess what it worked confirmed by a DOC:) and guess what some of what i learned in the alternative field came from Doctors:):)This why i know what your up to and will say anything to debunk,check out this story of a mother who healed her child and was harrased for it(imprisoned)to protect drug profits like you try here. http://angryscientist.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/mother-jailed-put-on-trial-for-curing-her-son-of-melanoma/
Sorry but for whatever reason your here your not fooling anyone.Also would you recomend chemo to members of your family,waits for the waffle YAWN!

[winegums]

i=alkaline not acidic ,its not rocket science
ii=above :D:
iii=above:D:

How alkaline? pH 7? pH 10? Same value for all 3 of these systems?

[madgoone]

How alkaline? pH 7? pH 10? Same value for all 3 of these systems?


:D:D

same old mantra, Yawn

the info you ask is out there take a lookie:p
learn it and you might be useful to someone!
How do i get your job and how much do you get paid(24hr) ,like i said before waffle diversionary questions as are most of your posts in relation to real life facts and results because you have been trained this way from your first days at med school funded by the drug corps.Lies and bs is your mantra,Dr Otto Warburg has the info you need but you dimissed him immediatley even though its FACT and put into practice with results,carrry on posting, its comical and anyone reading yours will realise the truth.Post back when you have a nobel prize in medicine cause the only prize you have at the moment is for being an obvious shill:)

[winegums]

It's curious that you accuse me of avoiding answering questions, and yet here you are, avoiding answering questions.

I'm not diverting the topic at all, in fact I'm staying very on subject. You claim an alkeline environment in the body will kill cancer, and I'm asking you to explain how alkeline, and in which body compartments, as well as to address the issue of different body compartments having different base pHs.

If you can't answer just say so, screaming 'SHILL!' just makes you look desperate.

[madgoone]

Do you try to protect profits for the "industry" by using your tactics by asking useless questions and trying to derail as seen in all the threads you have posted in= yes http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=159531&highlight=cancer+charities
Do you lie =yes A blood pH of 8.0? You'd be dead
http://phkillscancer.com/protocol :p

[winegums]

I'm only referring to decades of physiology and biochemistry research, I guess that's not much use compared to some random yahoo's website.

If someone with a nobel prize poo-pooed this idea, would you stop pushing it? I'm really unclear as to what you construe as good evidence for something.

EDIT: Also...

My pH measured 7.0 on the fourth day when I did a saliva pH test, and 7.5 when I did a urine pH test. Now didn’t know really how to measure or when to measure pH. I just did it randomly. I started recording the times on the sixth day.
He was measuring urine, not blood. I'm not sure of the maths, and it probably varies a lot, but I doubt his blood pH was nearly as high as urine pH.

[madgoone]

CURED with paperwork to prove it:)get over it,he did what the "industry" that you protect so much can not do:D


If someone with a nobel prize poo-pooed this idea, would you stop pushing it?

not if it works and continues to do so


I'm really unclear as to what you construe as good evidence for something

real life results,not manipulated numbers from the "industry":p


I'm only referring to decades of physiology and biochemistry research

realife results count not research that kills people for profit

[winegums]

So you don't believe in co-incidence, correlation vs causation, regression to the mean, or any other factors that tend to result in people falsely attributing getting better to an event?

Also, more importantly, as I said he's been measuring urine pH, not blood. Your body has a few mechanisms for getting rid of bicarbonate (that's right, it doesn't like being pushed into a severe alkeline state), and peeing it out is one of them.

[madgoone]

What treatment would you give to a cancer patient?

[winegums]

Please don't try to derail the thread. We're talking about alkeline treatments for cancer. Your claim is that alkelising the blood to a pH of 8.0 will kill the tumour. It's possible that's the case - many cellular functions fail when the cell is outwith its comfort zone - but you'd probably kill yourself in the process.

Your evidence for this is a misinterpreted piece of physiology research from the 1930s, and a blog where some random, untrained person measures urine pH rather than blood pH.

[madgoone]

"Please don't try to derail the thread"

its pointless talking about "alkeline" treatments for cancer to you so it would be best for me to hear your opinions on what you think is the best treatment because anything posted on alternatives remedies/treatments are debunked by you,other people have made their opinions on treatment so
what treatment would you give to a cancer patient? and what are the possible side effects? Thx.

No need to talk about alkalinity as this has already been proven here on this thread by a FORMER cancer patient :)

[winegums]

well no, we've had a person who claims to have cured cancer by a mechanism which, if he had implemented correctly (and his methodology of analysis makes that highly doubtful), would mean he'd probably be dead.

Does one person saying something like that make it true? If someone else had made a website entitled 'cyanide cures cancer' would you try that? Surely if he's saying something that's contrary to the established physiological understanding of acid-base balance (which is pretty well evidenced, e.g. in diabetics) you need more than one anecdote to believe it?

[madgoone]

Does one person saying something like that make it true? If someone else had made a website entitled 'cyanide cures cancer' would you try that? Surely if he's saying something that's contrary to the established physiological understanding of acid-base balance (which is pretty well evidenced, e.g. in diabetics) you need more than one anecdote to believe it?

ONE person saying something like that does not make it true! but when we have more than 1 things become interesting.

BUT

How would you treat a cancer patient based on your knowledge so i have a full understanding.

[winegums]

I wouldn't treat anyone, because I'm not an oncologist, but I'd suggest following whatever treatment protocol they suggest, be it radiotherapy, chemotherapy, surgery, or palliative care.

[hadabusa]

madgoone, post the link u sent2me, its interesting.

[madgoone]

madgoone, post the link u sent2me, its interesting.

http://angryscientist.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/mother-jailed-put-on-trial-for-curing-her-son-of-melanoma/
disturbing what they did to that Mum!


Winegums can you tell me how chemotherapy works and what are the possible side effects of the treatment and also how effective it is on all cancers in % and the average cost if it had to be paid out of your own pocket rather than free NHS

[winegums]

Well, very broadly, chemotherapy works by blocking the replication of fast-dividing cells. This includes cancerous cells, but also hair and (I think) gut epithelia. Different classes of chemo work by different methods, but that's the overall effect.

Efficacy varies, against some cancers it's highly effective (40% improvement in outcomes in testicular cancer, for example - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15630849) for others, such as prostate cancer, the improvement is very minor.

Side effects can include immunosuppression (although cancer causes that anyway...), nausea, infertility, hair loss (temporary), possibly some organ damage, and a few other things, but those are the biggies.

Cost I'm not sure about, but the internet says $300-£800 for a course of chemo

[madgoone]

here is what you describe but with more detail

http://www.cancergnosis.com/Chemical%20Chemotherapy/Side%20Effects.htm

why is radiation used as a treatment when radiation is known to cause cancer's?

[winegums]

Radiation causes cancer by screwing up DNA, which may result in damaging anti-tumour functionality (p53 and so on).
If you already have screwed up cells that are cancerous, with a damaged/ineffective p53 gene for example, directed radiation can knock them out entirely (like, kill parts of the DNA required for respiration, or protein synthesis or whatever). Clinical radiation therapy is targetted at a tumour, not just sprayed around everywhere.

[madgoone]

"40% improvement in outcomes in testicular cancer" is this relative or an absolute number

[winegums]

Absolute. Paper in question is here if you want to look at it:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WXW-4DTTF3S-8&_user=224739&_coverDate=12%2F31%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1693346274&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000014659&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=224739&md5=87792c0ce67ffff76035bc50b50c8aac&searchtype=a

[madgoone]

I would like to know what percentage of all cancers that chemo is effective against. Papers/studies on chemo are normally adjusted to look good to protect a £500 billion industry just like a lot of drugs that have made the news i would rather see testimonies from the 40%.

[winegums]

I would like to know what percentage of all cancers that chemo is effective against. Papers/studies on chemo are normally adjusted to look good to protect a £500 billion industry

[citation needed]

i would rather see testimonies from the 40%.

How is that useful? Of course patient experience is important to know and understand, but we're talkign about malignancy here, and most patient's don't tend to know about extent and metastasis of their cancer beyond what a doctor told them.

[picha]

What is your opinion of these treatments winegums?

http://www.doveclinic.com/site/treatments/treatments/l_photodynamic.htm

http://www.doveclinic.com/site/treatments/treatments/l_intravenous.htm

http://www.doveclinic.com/site/treatments/treatments/l_ozone.htm

[madgoone]

can you explain why Why cancer comes back following chemotherapy, radiation or surgery in a lot of patients for example Wendy Richards an actress from bbc eastenders
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7912668.stm

[winegums]

can you explain why Why cancer comes back following chemotherapy, radiation or surgery in a lot of patients for example Wendy Richards an actress from bbc eastenders
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7912668.stm

Because sometimes you won't get rid of a cancer entirley, just force it into the background where your immune system keeps on top of it. Then, when you're immunocomprimised for whatever reason, you lose the ability to keep on top of the cancer and it reappears.

[madgoone]

In 1986 McGill Cancer Center scientists surveyed 118 oncologists who specialized in lung cancer. They were asked if they would take chemo if they developed lung cancer. Three-quarters replied that they WOULD NOT TAKE CHEMO. When asked why, they responded that the chemotherapy was not very effective and had many side effects. When asked why they continued to use chemotherapy with their patients they said that this is all they knew, so what else was there to use. From "Reclaiming Our Health"of the by John Robbins, 1996. Published by HJ Kramer, Box 1082 , Tiburon , CA 94920 .



coming from onocologists

not a a good sign

A brief background about chemotherapy (chemo)

Mustard gas, a poison, was used in World War I (1914). The soldiers who had cancer and were exposed to the gas showed improvement(no source) in their cancers. These healing effects of mustard gas were discovered by accident and called chemotherapy


is this all after billions of dollars etc that the allopathic world can come up with "MUSTARD GAS"?

[indolering]

In 1986 McGill Cancer Center scientists surveyed 118 oncologists who specialized in lung cancer. They were asked if they would take chemo if they developed lung cancer. Three-quarters replied that they WOULD NOT TAKE CHEMO. When asked why, they responded that the chemotherapy was not very effective and had many side effects. When asked why they continued to use chemotherapy with their patients they said that this is all they knew, so what else was there to use. From "Reclaiming Our Health"of the by John Robbins, 1996. Published by HJ Kramer, Box 1082 , Tiburon , CA 94920 .



coming from onocologists

not a a good sign

A brief background about chemotherapy (chemo)

Mustard gas, a poison, was used in World War I (1914). The soldiers who had cancer and were exposed to the gas showed improvement(no source) in their cancers. These healing effects of mustard gas were discovered by accident and called chemotherapy


is this all after billions of dollars etc that the allopathic world can come up with "MUSTARD GAS"?


Great post, homeboy. John Robbins was a friend of mine, and he developed into a true hero, a major advocate of vegetarianism and true healing techniques. I've read the book you quoted and it's excellent.:cool:

I don't know winegums and I wouldn't presume to make snap judgments about the man...but the cancer industry is a major source of torture and mayhem perpetrated by Big Pharma and their cohorts. Radiation and chemotherapy are both insane treatments if one can even call them that. Besides the many known cures for cancer, there's evidence that very effective cures for cancer are known and used by the elite, but who refuse to divulge the information which would kill the golden goose.

No one should ever accept radiation or chemo for any reason. Ever!:mad:

[indolering]

can you explain why Why cancer comes back following chemotherapy, radiation or surgery in a lot of patients for example Wendy Richards an actress from bbc eastenders
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7912668.stm

Of course! Because neither chemo nor radiation treat the cause. They merely bombard the person with poison and radiation, hoping (that's a laugh) they will kill the cancer before the patient. Actually, their intent is to kill the patient slowly enough to drain his bank account! Surgery is another major crime against humanity. Cutting out the diseased tissue is ineffective and they know it. Cancer lives throughout the body, and can pop up almost anywhere.

It's all so fucking evil, I understand why one might be short-tempered with those who advocate such a crime. When will we learn...?

[indolering]

Just in:

Lemons Kill Cancer


LEMONS KILL CANCER. Insitute of Health Sciences, Baltimore, MD.
Written by Editor
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Rate this item1 2 3 4 5 (12 votes)
Lemon (Citrus ) is a miraculous product to kill cancer cells. It is 10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy.
Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories (big Pharma) interested in making a synthetic version that they can patent, which will bring them huge profits. You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy. How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires' large corporations?

Cancer is a multi-billion dollar business, world-wide. Big Pharma is scalping the people all over the world, with sales of prescription drugs, chemotherapy, and their secret motto is, "You must not get well. You must keep going back to your doctor, who must keep writing prescriptions. A patient cured is a customer lost."

The lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and limes. You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc. It is credited with many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on cysts and tumors. This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say it is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as an anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi, ffective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and nervous disorders.

The source of this information is fascinating: it comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts revealed that: It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas. The compounds of this tree showed 10,000 times better than the product Adriamycin, a drug normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing the growth of cancer cells. And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect healthy cells.

Institute of Health Sciences, 819 N. L.L.C. Cause Street , Baltimore, MD.

An excellent lemon mix is:

Blend 4 good sized lemons (skin,pips and all) with 8 tablespoons of unprocessed, organic honey and 8 tablespoons of first pressed,cold pressed or organic olive oil.

Consume 3 tablespoons twice a day. (Also very good for clearing brain fog!)

The whole family - every family - should take it.

[winegums]

In 1986 McGill Cancer Center scientists surveyed 118 oncologists who specialized in lung cancer. They were asked if they would take chemo if they developed lung cancer. Three-quarters replied that they WOULD NOT TAKE CHEMO. When asked why, they responded that the chemotherapy was not very effective and had many side effects. When asked why they continued to use chemotherapy with their patients they said that this is all they knew, so what else was there to use. From "Reclaiming Our Health"of the by John Robbins, 1996. Published by HJ Kramer, Box 1082 , Tiburon , CA 94920 .


coming from onocologists

not a a good sign
I'd be interested to know how you're interpreting this. Also if you have a direct citation for the survey that'd be handy



A brief background about chemotherapy (chemo)

Mustard gas, a poison, was used in World War I (1914). The soldiers who had cancer and were exposed to the gas showed improvement(no source) in their cancers. These healing effects of mustard gas were discovered by accident and called chemotherapy


is this all after billions of dollars etc that the allopathic world can come up with "MUSTARD GAS"?

1. It's not, if you'd read that first study (which you haven't, clearly) you'd see it was regarding a specific drug (cisplatin) which was created since those days. Mustard gas may have granted the initial catalyst for anti-cancer therapies, but the theory has been refined a lot since.

2. You're acting like cancer is trivial, like it's easy peasy to fix. It's a whole suite of illnesses that are self-targetting - i.e. it's almost like an auto-immune disorder in that regard. It's not like you can just shoot out an antiviral or give a vaccine for cancer.

[madgoone]

A brief background about chemotherapy (chemo)

Mustard gas, a poison, was used in World War I (1914). The soldiers who had cancer and were exposed to the gas showed improvement(no source) in their cancers. These healing effects of mustard gas were discovered by accident and called chemotherapy

That info came from a pro chemo website.

[dalem]

Just in:

Lemons Kill Cancer


LEMONS KILL CANCER. Insitute of Health Sciences, Baltimore, MD.
Written by Editor
font size Print E-mail Add new comment
Rate this item1 2 3 4 5 (12 votes)
Lemon (Citrus ) is a miraculous product to kill cancer cells. It is 10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy.
Why do we not know about that? Because there are laboratories (big Pharma) interested in making a synthetic version that they can patent, which will bring them huge profits. You can now help a friend in need by letting him/her know that lemon juice is beneficial in preventing the disease. Its taste is pleasant and it does not produce the horrific effects of chemotherapy. How many people will die while this closely guarded secret is kept, so as not to jeopardize the beneficial multimillionaires' large corporations?

Cancer is a multi-billion dollar business, world-wide. Big Pharma is scalping the people all over the world, with sales of prescription drugs, chemotherapy, and their secret motto is, "You must not get well. You must keep going back to your doctor, who must keep writing prescriptions. A patient cured is a customer lost."

The lemon tree is known for its varieties of lemons and limes. You can eat the fruit in different ways: you can eat the pulp, juice press, prepare drinks, sorbets, pastries, etc. It is credited with many virtues, but the most interesting is the effect it produces on cysts and tumors. This plant is a proven remedy against cancers of all types. Some say it is very useful in all variants of cancer. It is considered also as an anti microbial spectrum against bacterial infections and fungi, ffective against internal parasites and worms, it regulates blood pressure which is too high and an antidepressant, combats stress and nervous disorders.

The source of this information is fascinating: it comes from one of the largest drug manufacturers in the world, says that after more than 20 laboratory tests since 1970, the extracts revealed that: It destroys the malignant cells in 12 cancers, including colon, breast, prostate, lung and pancreas. The compounds of this tree showed 10,000 times better than the product Adriamycin, a drug normally used chemotherapeutic in the world, slowing the growth of cancer cells. And what is even more astonishing: this type of therapy with lemon extract only destroys malignant cancer cells and it does not affect healthy cells.

Institute of Health Sciences, 819 N. L.L.C. Cause Street , Baltimore, MD.

An excellent lemon mix is:

Blend 4 good sized lemons (skin,pips and all) with 8 tablespoons of unprocessed, organic honey and 8 tablespoons of first pressed,cold pressed or organic olive oil.

Consume 3 tablespoons twice a day. (Also very good for clearing brain fog!)

The whole family - every family - should take it.

Oh no they don't.
Your source of info is a scam run by Jennifer Thomson, the director of IHS who doesn't give a damn about anyone's health, just her bank balance. .
Go read here: Institute of Horse Shit (https://web-purchases.com/HSI/W675KCE1/landing.html)
The exact same wording for the Graviola Tree.
The IHS "Claim" to have cures for just about everything provided you join their institution and pay $67 per year.

[indolering]

Oh no they don't.
Your source of info is a scam run by Jennifer Thomson, the director of IHS who doesn't give a damn about anyone's health, just her bank balance. .
Go read here: Institute of Horse Shit (https://web-purchases.com/HSI/W675KCE1/landing.html)
The exact same wording for the Graviola Tree.
The IHS "Claim" to have cures for just about everything provided you join their institution and pay $67 per year.

Thanks. It does look like a scam. I should have looked into it further before posting.

[dalem]

Thanks. It does look like a scam. I should have looked into it further before posting.
U R welcome, sorry if I came across as abrubt but it really makes me mad when people like her prey on the worries of sick people just to increase her bank balance.
As a clinical herbalist I do a lot of free work and to me someone's health is more important than money.

[indolering]

U R welcome, sorry if I came across as abrubt but it really makes me mad when people like her prey on the worries of sick people just to increase her bank balance.
As a clinical herbalist I do a lot of free work and to me someone's health is more important than money.

I feel the same. Whatever happened to the Hippocratic Oath?

[madgoone]

lemons are still good as part of a lot of peoples protocol's when alkalizing is needed, cancer or not :)

[dalem]

lemons are still good as part of a lot of peoples protocol's when alkalizing is needed, cancer or not :)
Yes I agree but they are not a panacea as told in that report.

I feel the same. Whatever happened to the Hippocratic Oath?
Flew out the window I think.
As for Jennifer Thomson of IHS she is not even qualified in any way.
http://hsionline.com/about-jenny-thompson/

[picha]

Yes I agree but they are not a panacea as told in that report.


Flew out the window I think.
As for Jennifer Thomson of IHS she is not even qualified in any way.
http://hsionline.com/about-jenny-thompson/

This is BS - everyone knows that people get cancer because they haven't had any anti cancer drugs yet.

[kernelpower]

Philip Day wrote a book called " cancer why were still dying to know the truth" gives a good look at the do's and donts of cancer , with alot on nutrition plus the stuff you need to avoid as well, well worth a read!!

[kblood]

Philip Day wrote a book called " cancer why were still dying to know the truth" gives a good look at the do's and donts of cancer , with alot on nutrition plus the stuff you need to avoid as well, well worth a read!!

Yea, I heard him speak in Totnes. He has much experience on this, and is a prime example himself. Although I do not remember if he had cancer himself, he just discovered how much his life improved after changing his diet, and also discovered about how so many of our diseases today are directly because of our habits and diet today.

Coffee, smoking, alcohol, soda, high amounts of sugar, too much meat, energy drinks and probably more than I can come up with right now. Also pollution and radiation of course.

The stuff that causes cancer and many other diseases are very popular, and so are the diseases. The thing is that today we try to find cures to these diseases, but we do not want to give up our bad habits. In some cases its too late anyway.

Chemo... yea, it can work if you are lucky. But there are good reasons why statistics around chemo therapy is very lacking. Its not easy getting any good numbers on how many people actually die from chemo. Especially since it would not be allowed to be put in the journals as the cause of death.

[cigar]

My family member has been very lucky with chemo. It has worked very well for them, their cancer count has come right down thankfully. For how long it can keep the cancer at bay though is another question. It won't keep you alive forever, it might give you an extra boost to your life and how long you've got left. My family member's cancer is terminal anyway, there's nothing can be done due to the fact the cancer has spread to major organs.

Chemo is the only thing that is left to do, simply operating is pointless as the cancer has already moved around the body.

[energi]

A relative of mine has very bad cancer.

BACKGROUND: She is in her 50s. Around the year of 2003, she AND her sister (who is two years older) got breast cancer at the same time.

They both survived their breast cancers, but had to remove their breasts (the older sis put in silicone, the younger let it be).

A few years later, around 2006 or 2007, they both got diagnosed with new cancers in their bodies. This time it was also very closely , with only 2 months differing between them getting the diagnose.

The older sister lived healthily, but suddenly fell terminally ill and died within 6 months - she passed away about a year ago. I do not know what kind of cancer she suffered from.

This younger sister, who is still alive, started to become ill around May last year. [I]Her cancer is residing in her skeleton (perhaps bone marrow). She has had numerous treatments with chemotherapy. As a matter of fact, IT IS NOW NOTHING THE DOCTORS CAN DO TO HER BODY - she has reached the utmost peak of chemo treatment, so they will not continue performing it on her anymore.


TODAY, the situation is as follows:

- These last 2 months, her weight has dropped at an abnormally fast rate. She now weighs 40 kilograms (used to be around 70/80).

- Again, she has had so much chemo that doctors refuse to continue the treatment for the sake of her health (never mind that she is too weak to even take the dog out for a walk).

- The way her and her sister was "interconnected" when they both were alive worries me. In the same way they both got breast cancer at the same time, I am now worried that she will die around the same time as her sis - OR EVEN EARLIER.

Her kids graduate High School next week, and I fear she might die before that and miss out on celebrating them.

Could there be ANY possible thing to do at this state? I do not know much about alternative cancer treatments, apart from cannabis oil (which cannot be used thanks to drug laws, religious views in their family and so on). :(

[neutron flux]

http://vimeo.com/24821365


Burzynski, the Movie is the story of a medical doctor and Ph.D biochemist named Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski who won the largest, and possibly the most convoluted and intriguing legal battle against the Food & Drug Administration in American history.

His victorious battles with the United States government were centered around Dr. Burzynski's gene-targeted cancer medicines he discovered in the 1970's called Antineoplastons, which have currently completed Phase II FDA-supervised clinical trials in 2009 and could begin the final phase of FDA testing in 2011–barring the ability to raise the required $150 million to fund the final phase of FDA clinical trials.

When Antineoplastons are approved, it will mark the first time in history a single scientist, not a pharmaceutical company, will hold the exclusive patent and distribution rights on a paradigm-shifting medical breakthrough.

Antineoplastons are responsible for curing some of the most incurable forms of terminal cancer. Various cancer survivors are presented in the film who chose these medicines instead of surgery, chemotherapy or radiation - with full disclosure of medical records to support their diagnosis and recovery - as well as systematic (non-anecdotal) FDA-supervised clinical trial data comparing Antineoplastons to other available treatments—which is published within the peer-reviewed medical literature.

One form of cancer - diffuse, intrinsic, childhood brainstem glioma has never before been cured in any scientifically controlled clinical trial in the history of medicine. Antineoplastons hold the first cures in history - dozens of them. [ANP - PubMed 2003] [ANP - PubMed 2006] [Rad & other - PubMed 2008] [Chemo/Rad - PubMed 2005]

This documentary takes the audience through the treacherous, yet victorious, 14-year journey both Dr. Burzynski and his patients have had to endure in order to obtain FDA-approved clinical trials of Antineoplastons.

Dr. Burzynski resides and practices medicine in Houston, Texas. He was able to initially produce and administer his discovery without FDA-approval from 1977-1995 because the state of Texas at this time did not require that Texas physicians be required to adhere to Federal law in this situation. This law has since been changed.

As with anything that changes current-day paradigms, Burzynski's ability to successfully treat incurable cancer with such consistency has baffled the industry. Ironically, this fact had prompted numerous investigations by the Texas Medical Board, who relentlessly took Dr. Burzynski as high as the state supreme court in their failed attempt to halt his practices.

Likewise, the Food and Drug Administration engaged in four Federal Grand Juries spanning over a decade attempting to indict Dr. Burzynski, all of which ended in no finding of fault on his behalf. Finally, Dr. Burzynski was indicted in their 5th Grand Jury in 1995, resulting in two federal trials and two sets of jurors finding him not guilty of any wrongdoing. If convicted, Dr. Burzynski would have faced a maximum of 290 years in a federal prison and $18.5 million in fines.

However, what was revealed a few years after Dr. Burzynski won his freedom, helps to paint a more coherent picture regarding the true motivation of the United States government's relentless persecution of Stanislaw Burzynski, M.D., Ph.D.

Note: When Antineoplastons are approved for public use, it will allow a single scientist to hold an exclusive license to manufacture and sell these medicines on the open market—before they become generic—leaving PhRMA absent in profiting from the most effective gene-targeted cancer treatment the world has ever seen.

[psilocybin]

My family member has been very lucky with chemo. It has worked very well for them, their cancer count has come right down thankfully. For how long it can keep the cancer at bay though is another question. It won't keep you alive forever, it might give you an extra boost to your life and how long you've got left. My family member's cancer is terminal anyway, there's nothing can be done due to the fact the cancer has spread to major organs.

Chemo is the only thing that is left to do, simply operating is pointless as the cancer has already moved around the body.

Chemotherapy is used to burn the tumor out. The problem with the mainstream medicine is that it considers the tumor to be the actual cancer, when in fact it's the cells inside the cancer as well as other cancer cells throughout the body which are yet undetected as they have not triggered off any tumor growth.

When a person has a tumor, there is seriously something wrong within the entire body. I'm sure someone mentioned it before in this thread. The body is acidic, full of toxins and that person may be exposed to carcinogens on the daily basis.

Alternative treatments center around the entire body, not the tumor. The tumor will go away once the entire body is healed. The tumor is a symptom of a much bigger problem within the body.

It's too bad the oncologists focus primarily on how the tumor is doing, and not the patient.

As a preventative to cancer I personally do the following:

Drink organic green tea (sencha), white tea, roobois as much as I can, usually 3-4 cups of green tea a day. I also drink matcha. The only problem with future green tea from Japan is Fukushima... a lot of green tea is irradiated now. I will switch to Chinese teas (white teas) and herbal anti-cancer teas.

Eat 10 apricot kernel seeds a day, 5 in morning for breakfast and 5 for dinner.

Eat as much raw and organic vegies and fruit.

Juice organic vegies when I can, it can be painful sometimes due to the cleaning involved.

Avoid commercial red meat with sodium nitrite, I eat organic or at least free range chicken and sometimes salmon.

I also drink distilled water with freshly squeezed lemon/lime juice to avoid sodium fluoride. I also use tooth paste without fluoride and instead use more Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide after and my teeth have not been better.

These are all easy things to do, but most people will not bother.


I also find it interesting how this one major newspaper in Melbourne tends to publish "cancer happiness" stories.
They usually pick some young child or teen who just had a cancer, how they are getting chemo and radiation or surgery and how they love footy etc... and how they can beat cancer...
The poor kids are usually sick as anything because they are blind or lost their limbs, or other major organs. And off course, not even a word about alternative cancer treatments.
Usually the parents of these kids are obese and very unhealthy, but that is "irrelevant" to this story because "we don't know what causes cancer" right?
The propaganda is amazing in the mainstream media.

[thedivinetruth]

So you're saying all medical schools are funded by the big farmer, and all oncologists are just brainwashed? Presumably this brainwashing must go right down the scientific "stack", through biology, chemistry, physics...because oncologists don't make insane claims that aren't verifyable/backed up by biology and chemistry.

Testimonials are great too...you can get them for just about anything and they're really a "best of the bunch". Plus you can always just make them up anyway (as opposed to that pesky science which can be proven wrong).

Not ALL medical schools are fully funded my Big Pharma but most of the Oncology departments surely are. I have a few M.D./D.O. friends who would agree. I am a doctor and I have learned the same science (biology, chemistry, physics) that M.D.'s have. The difference? M.D.'s take pharmacology. The science works the same in both western and eastern models and you can fit in and make up studies for both sides. The difference in my experience is the patient testamonials.
I have seen them on both sides and some patients do get healed from Chemo after their body has gone through hell! Do we know that it was the chemo that destroyed the tumor? I have also seen patients that haven't done anything different and they get healed from tumors. Were the tumors actually benign or malignant in the first place? Do we know for a fact. Some yes through lab results others not. I have also seen patients heal through diet and lifestyle changes. Do we know that diet and supplements healed the cancer? No, however, this is a high success rate with this method. The common demoniator I see is through thought. Stress causes and heals most cancers. The people that healed are always positive, and strong minded. The one's that don't usually have given up on life.

[kblood]

Not ALL medical schools are fully funded my Big Pharma but most of the Oncology departments surely are. I have a few M.D./D.O. friends who would agree. I am a doctor and I have learned the same science (biology, chemistry, physics) that M.D.'s have. The difference? M.D.'s take pharmacology. The science works the same in both western and eastern models and you can fit in and make up studies for both sides. The difference in my experience is the patient testamonials.
I have seen them on both sides and some patients do get healed from Chemo after their body has gone through hell! Do we know that it was the chemo that destroyed the tumor? I have also seen patients that haven't done anything different and they get healed from tumors. Were the tumors actually benign or malignant in the first place? Do we know for a fact. Some yes through lab results others not. I have also seen patients heal through diet and lifestyle changes. Do we know that diet and supplements healed the cancer? No, however, this is a high success rate with this method. The common demoniator I see is through thought. Stress causes and heals most cancers. The people that healed are always positive, and strong minded. The one's that don't usually have given up on life.

Well said, I agree. I hope we begin to pay more attention to how thought patterns might affect our body in good and bad ways, but I doubt it will become something mainstream anytime soon.

[sicknote]

Original Link: http://www.holisticcancersolutions.com/cesium_report.htm
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The High pH Therapy for Cancer
Tests on Mice and Humans

A. KEITH BREWER, Ph.D.
A.. Keith Brewer Science Library, 325 N. Central Ave., Richland Center, WI 53581

BREWER, A. K. The high pH therapy for cancer tests on mice and humans. PHARMACOL BIOCHEM BEHAV 21: Suppl. 1, 1-5. 1984.---Mass spectrographic and isotope studies have shown that potassium, rubidium, and especially cesium are most efficiently taken up by cancer cells. This uptake was enhanced by Vitamins A and C as well as salts of zinc and selenium. The quantity of cesium taken up was sufficient to raise the cell to the 8 pH range. Where cell mitosis ceases and the life of the cell is short. Tests on mice fed cesium and rubidium showed marked shrinkage in the tumor masses within 2 weeks. In addition, the mice showed none of the side effects of cancer. Tests have been carried out on over 30 humans. In each case the tumor masses disappeared. Also all pains and effects associated with cancer disappeared within 12 to 36 hr; the more chemotherapy and morphine the patient had taken, the longer the withdrawal period. Studies of the food intake in areas where the incidences of cancer are very low showed that it met the requirements for the high pH therapy.

[muzungu100]

http://vimeo.com/24821365


What a load of garbage. Another cancer "cure" that on investigation is anything but. Doens't anyone on here even have a cursory look at the background of these people before posting.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/burzynski2.html

[muzungu100]

Original Link: http://www.holisticcancersolutions.com/cesium_report.htm
Original Link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4AWqUEDsGAYJ:www.cancer-coverup.com/brewer/default.html+Keith+Brewer,+Ph.D.+%22The+High+pH+Th erapy+for+Cancer+Tests+on+Mice+and+Humans%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk


The High pH Therapy for Cancer
Tests on Mice and Humans

A. KEITH BREWER, Ph.D.
A.. Keith Brewer Science Library, 325 N. Central Ave., Richland Center, WI 53581

BREWER, A. K. The high pH therapy for cancer tests on mice and humans. PHARMACOL BIOCHEM BEHAV 21: Suppl. 1, 1-5. 1984.---Mass spectrographic and isotope studies have shown that potassium, rubidium, and especially cesium are most efficiently taken up by cancer cells. This uptake was enhanced by Vitamins A and C as well as salts of zinc and selenium. The quantity of cesium taken up was sufficient to raise the cell to the 8 pH range. Where cell mitosis ceases and the life of the cell is short. Tests on mice fed cesium and rubidium showed marked shrinkage in the tumor masses within 2 weeks. In addition, the mice showed none of the side effects of cancer. Tests have been carried out on over 30 humans. In each case the tumor masses disappeared. Also all pains and effects associated with cancer disappeared within 12 to 36 hr; the more chemotherapy and morphine the patient had taken, the longer the withdrawal period. Studies of the food intake in areas where the incidences of cancer are very low showed that it met the requirements for the high pH therapy.

A. KEITH BREWER, Ph.D - his PHD is in Physics!

If you want to get cancer treatment from a physicist then go right ahead, bet that will work out just fine. No need to worry about paying those medical bills though....because you'll be dead.

Also all pains and effects associated with cancer disappeared within 12 to 36 hr.
If that is an accurate quote then he is either completely deluded or a conman.

[freedom2020]

the documentary called the quack that cured cancer is very interesting and one every human being should watch as just to know what kind of world we really do live in:)

[turquoisefire777]

one of the main things to watch for is your diet. this can very much aid or restrain cancer as much as any other problem or cure:

http://www.gohealthactive.com/living-longer-impacts-your-health/

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[maxinatlanta]

Please use this Video Library and share with others. (http://www.awakeningblog.com/videos.html) FDA (Fooled and Drugged Administration does not want to heal people. They are pain managers - nothing else. Read the name of CDC (Centre for Disease Control).

Cancer is curable. Share with others.

Ever wondered why the store called TOYS R US ?

Because fro them we are toys. TOYS ARE US.

Do not be the toy in their hands. Educate yourself. (http://www.awakeningblog.com/)

[white zombie]

"Scientists believe the compound, currently known by the code-name ICT2588, should be effective against all forms of solid tumour."

"Half the animals appeared to be completely cured after just one injection of the drug, and tumour growth was slowed in every mouse tested."

The Press Association http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5in2kGuOEb5tJvxHjkMWZQ2c4PBhA?docId=N03107013 15705716055A

Promising. Thought I'd post it.

[kurupted_flesh]

The doctors in oadby(Leicester) in co-operation with my family who are literal reptilians (emotional blockers) are trying to give me a physical/mental disease - help. Your mum is the devil.

[wonderfullife]

By Dr. Mercola

Steve Jobs died at 56 years old last week from complications of pancreatic cancer. Steve was the charismatic pioneer and innovative co-founder of Apple who transformed personal use of technology as well as entire industries with products such as the iPod, iPad, iPhone, Macintosh computer and the iTunes music store.

Steve was only 21 when he started Apple--officially formed on April Fool's Day, 1976. He was forced out in 1985 but returned 15 years ago and plucked Apple from near-bankruptcy, and in August of this year turned it into the most valuable company in the world passing Exxon.

Jeffery Kluger from Time Magazine had a great comment on the impact he made on the culture.



"But it's also fair to argue that Jobs was in some ways different from other captains of industry. Henry Ford, Thomas Edison and Bill Gates changed the world too - Gates more than all of them, perhaps, with his second chapter as the world's greatest philanthropist - and yet the garment rending and candle lighting that has followed Jobs' death suggests a passion that none of the others stir up.


Perhaps it's that Gates and the rest that invented what were essentially just products - remarkable things that transformed the way we lived, but merchandise all the same. Jobs' inventions got inside not just our lives but also our heads and - improbably - our hearts. That, of course, is the way it is with living things."

What Type of Person Was Steve Jobs?


Much has been said about Steve's brilliance in technology but there has not been much commentary about him as a person. The LA Times has an exceptional article that provides a great view into Steve's character. Larry Brilliant, an epidemiologist who was the director of Google's philanthropic arm Google.org, knew Steve Jobs for 35 years. He recalled first meeting Jobs when Jobs was 19, and he was in India working to eradicate smallpox.


"Jobs shielded himself and his family from the media, and his friends respected his privacy. But over the summer, Jobs told Brilliant that he would be "happy to have people talk about him," Jobs had dropped out of college and traveled to India to meet Brilliant's guru, Neem Karoli Baba. Baba died before Jobs reached the Kainchi Ashram with a Reed College friend –- and later, Apple's first employee -- Daniel Kottke.

"We met when he, like all of us, were spiritual seekers in India. It was that quality in him that people feel even though these are physical instruments, iPhones, iPods, iPads. People can feel that he was continuing that quest," Brilliant said. "He had this idea back in the 1970s, that cliché of giving power to the people. He really believed it. When he made the first Apple II, he thought he was giving power to the people by putting a computer on everyone's desk so they would not have to be dependent on the priesthood with mainframes.

This was giving power to the people in a very real way, not a theoretical way. What he has done is democratize access to information and access to beauty."

Because his private life was so little known, few outside of Jobs' inner circle experienced the caring side of Jobs, Brilliant said. In 2006 when Brilliant joined Google, both his wife and son were diagnosed with cancer. Brilliant was distraught. He says Jobs supported him by creating spreadsheets that ranked cancer surgeons based on a number of criteria including post-surgery infection rate, follow-up care and approval ratings.

"That's the part that people couldn't possibly know -- the love and the care that he put into everything he did. He just loved his family, Laurene (Powell) and the kids. He loved them more than anyone could articulate. And he loved Apple," Brilliant said.

"The defining character of Steve Jobs isn't his genius, it isn't his talent, it isn't his success. It's his love. That's why crowds came to see him. You could feel that. It sounds ridiculous to talk about love when you are making a gadget. But Steve loved his work, he loved the products he produced, and it was palpable. He communicated that love through bits of steel and plastic."

Classic Steve Jobs Quotes that Can Help You Live Your Life Better


Steve's premature passing was clearly a profound tragedy but we can use it to take to heart some of the wisdom he lived his life by and possibly improve our own life. Here are some of my favorite quotes from Steve that truly hit home as to some of the central reasons why we are on this planet. Remember he was born out of wedlock, put up for adoption, dropped out of college, fired from the company he founded, and still, he changed the world.

What's your excuse?"


"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."

"When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: ‘If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right.' It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: ‘If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?' And whenever the answer has been ‘No' for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something."

"Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle."

As a testimony to Steve's greatness, there were many creative memes that people came up with. If you cared for Steve or Apple you will likely appreciate viewing these.




What Did Steve Jobs Die From?


Pancreatic cancer is one of the faster spreading cancers; only about 4 percent of patients can expect to survive five years after their diagnosis. Each year, about 44,000 new cases are diagnosed in the U.S., and 37,000 people die of the disease. Although cancer of the pancreas has a terrible prognosis--half of all patients with locally advanced pancreatic cancer die within 10 months of the diagnosis; half of those in whom it has metastasized die within six months--cancer in the pancreas is not necessarily a death sentence.

The pancreas contains two types of glands: exocrine glands that produce enzymes that break down fats and proteins, and endocrine glands that make hormones like insulin that regulate sugar in the blood. Jobs died of tumors originating in the endocrine glands, which are among the rarer forms of pancreatic cancer. Unlike pancreatic cancer, with neuroendocrine cancer, if you catch it early, there is a real potential for cure. His cancer was detected during an abdominal scan in October 2003, as Fortune magazine reported in a 2008 cover story.

It is widely believed in conventional medicine that surgery can lead to long-term survival. Despite the expert consensus on the value of surgery, Jobs did not elect it right away. He reportedly spent nine months on "alternative therapies," including what Fortune called "a special diet."

But when a scan showed that the original tumor had grown, he finally had it removed on July 31, 2004, at Stanford University Medical Clinic. He underwent an operation called a modified Whipple procedure, or a pancreatoduodenectomy, which removes the right side of the pancreas, the gallbladder, and parts of the stomach, bile duct, and small intestine, which was a strong suggestion that his cancer had spread beyond the pancreas.

Within five years, it was clear that Jobs was not cured. In April of 2004 Jobs flew to Switzerland and underwent an experimental procedure called peptide receptor radionuclide therapy (PRRT). It involves delivering radiation to tumor cells by attaching one of two radioactive isotopes to a drug that mimics somatostatin, the hormone that regulates the entire endocrine system and the secretion of other hormones.

This treatment apparently failed, as shortly after that he had a liver transplant at Methodist University Hospital in Memphis. This is likely because the cancer had spread from the pancreas to his liver. Liver transplants are a well-established treatment for tumors that originate in that organ BUT it is very uncommon to remove the liver for metastatic cancer.

This is not routinely done for two primary reasons. The first is that it in no way, shape, or form addresses the original cancer, and it can easily spread to the new liver. But more importantly, he had to be placed on large doses of drugs to suppress his immune system so he would not reject his new liver. Tragically this is the very system your body uses to help control cancers. The liver has enormous regenerative capacity, and if they only removed the portion of his liver that contained the malignant cells, he would not have to take those dangerous anti-rejection drugs.

Conventional cancer experts disagree with the approach that was taken for Steve.


" In contrast, with a liver transplant "the overall costs and complications ... override its benefits, especially when compared with partial [removal of the liver]." Indeed, liver transplants for metastatic cancer "have been largely abandoned," says Columbia's Chabot, because the immune-suppressing, anti-rejection drugs "lead to such a high recurrence rate.

Interestingly, it appears Steve was not given any chemotherapy or radiation treatments after his liver transplant, which undoubtedly contributed to his living over seven years after his surgery.

Was there Another Option for Steve's Cancer?


I am certainly not an expert in the treatment of cancer but it seems that Steve got the best cancer care possible. He avoided all treatments for nine months before electing to have a surgical intervention that frequently is curative for this type of cancer. It appears he also was able to avoid chemotherapy and radiation. Of course, the question remains on how he got the original cancer. It is impossible to know for sure as there are so many variables.

However, the biggest issue may have been the decision to have a liver transplant and go on the anti-rejection drugs. Conventional oncologists are stating that was, perhaps, a mistake.

I thought it would be helpful to interview an expert in the natural treatment of cancer on this so I contacted Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez, who is widely known for his work with pancreatic cancer. I previously interviewed Dr. Gonzalez about his remarkable cancer program, in which he discussed the details of his history and the therapeutic approaches he employs-with a rate of success that is entirely unheard of in conventional medicine, I might add.

As explained in our first interview, Dr. Gonzalez has been involved in the natural treatment of cancer for over 25 years, and offers really innovative therapies for this devastating disease. He's known internationally for his expertise on pancreatic cancer specifically, but his therapies have wider applications and can be applied to all forms of cancer.

Many of his pancreatic cancer patients are still alive and well today, having survived up to 20 years... In conventional medicine, this is simply unheard of. Using the best conventional therapies we have, the typical survival rate for a pancreatic cancer patient is about 12-18 months.

To summarize Dr. Gonzalez' program, it consists of three basic components:
1.Individualized diet based on nutritional (metabolic) typing
2.Individualized supplement program, which includes vitamins, minerals, trace elements, and pancreatic enzymes
3.Detoxification, which includes coffee enemas and colon cleanses

To review the details of his program, please see our previous interview.

Steve Jobs, Another Victim of Pancreatic Cancer


There are two basic types of pancreatic cancer. The most aggressive form is adenocarcinoma, which develops in the cells that produce pancreatic enzymes (these enzymes help digest proteins, fats, and carbohydrates and eliminate toxins from your body).


"About 95 percent of pancreatic cancers develop in the enzyme-producing cells that synthesize the main digestive enzymes of the intestinal tract," Dr. Gonzalez explains. "About five percent are developed in the endocrine component of the pancreas. The pancreas not only produces enzymes, but also produces hormones like insulin and glucagon. Cancer can develop in the insulin or other hormone-producing cells, but it's much less common. They tend to be a little less aggressive – the average survival for carcinoma of the enzyme-producing cells is probably three to six months."

Steve Jobs had this latter version of pancreatic cancer; islet cell carcinoma, the technical term for cancer of the hormone producing cells of the pancreas.


"He didn't have the most aggressive form," Dr. Gonzalez says. "... [H]e's had it for many years. He had a liver transplant in Memphis about two years ago. Again, he was very secretive about what was going on... [I]t must have meant he had a metastasis in the liver. First, he had to be treated with immunosuppressants. Whenever you have a transplanted organ, your body will tend to reject it, so you have to suppress your immune system. That's not good when you have a history of cancer, because immunosuppression can stimulate cancer growth since you're suppressing your own immune ability to fight cancer."

It appears Steve Jobs did everything he could, conventionally and alternatively to stay alive. As Dr. Gonzalez states, money certainly wasn't a limiting factor in his treatment.


"A procedure like that can run several hundred thousand dollars, at least. So my assumption, having treated pancreatic cancer for over two decades, he probably had metastasis in the liver, and it was a somewhat desperate attempt to try to keep it under control, although it would be ultimately futile. There's always the possibility of some kind of liver failure for reasons other than cancer that might have led him to a liver transplant, such as a medication reaction, hepatitis C from transfusion or something. But again, the reasons have never been publicly released, so we don't know. But most likely, he had metastasis in the liver."

Many Cancer Patients Shun Natural Cancer Treatment Options


According to Dr. Gonzalez, Jobs was seeing an acupuncturist who was very anxious for him to contact Dr. Gonzalez for advice. Dr. Gonzalez has been successfully treating cancer patients for over two decades.

"One of my great patients is a fellow from Michigan who had islet cell carcinoma that, at the time of diagnosis in 1995, had already metastasized to his liver. He went to the Mayo clinic, where everything was confirmed; he had CAT scans and biopsies... To the Mayo clinic's credit... if they know that a therapy isn't going to be useful, they don't promote it, whereas a lot of oncologists will promote therapies that are worthless.


The Mayo clinic told him chemo wouldn't do anything for him... There was really nothing they could do. He started with me in 1995, shortly after his diagnosis. He's alive and well now, 16 years later. CAT scans beginning around 2000 showed total resolution of his big tumors. He had a huge tumor in the pancreas -- it must have been around 6 centimeters. And then he had a big tumor, right under the liver. All these are gone."


Celebrity Patients and 'Star' Oncologists


Jobs is not the only celebrity who did everything he could through the conventional paradigm, which tragically has an abysmal success rate.


"Michael Landon actually did consult with me," Dr. Gonzalez says, "but he never did the therapy. His press agent, Harry Flynn, became a very good friend. Harry and I remain friends to this day, and this goes back to 20 years ago. As soon as a successful celebrity gets cancer, the conventional predators come out of the woodwork-and they say that alternative doctors are sitting there like predators, trying to lure unsuspecting cancer patients into their lairs. You know, I've been in the alternative world for a long time, and I've come out of this very conventional research. But I don't see a whole of that in the alternative world.

What I do see is conventional doctors doing exactly what they criticize in alternative doctors. Landon was treated by an "eminent oncologist" from Cedars-Sinai, who held a press conference. The first thing conventional doctors do when they get a celebrity is to hold a press conference. To me it's almost like narcissism, just to show how important they are with all these celebrities coming to them. This is even if they know they can't do anything. He gave Landon an experimental chemo, but he was dead in three months."

As Dr. Gonzalez points out, conventional doctors can fail miserably and still be considered heroes. Alternative doctors, even the most successful ones, are still looked upon with great suspicion if not disdain. Upon Landon's death, his oncologist held another press conference, and Landon's widow was impressed with how "hard" his doctor had worked to treat her dying husband.


"You see, when a conventional oncologist loses a celebrity patient, they portray him as a hero fighting this terrible disease against the enormous odds; working late into the night trying to keep the celebrity alive," Dr. Gonzalez says. "But when an alternative practitioner loses a patient, they consider him a sleazy quack getting money from unsuspecting cancer victims.

... The same thing was true, more recently, with Patrick Swayze. He had a very aggressive pancreatic cancer. Stanford oncologists doing his treatment held press conferences routinely... filled with this kind of joyful optimism that "they're going to help." He was gone in 18 months. Friends of his are actually patients of mine, but he absolutely had no interest in alternative medicine. He was very conventional – used "the best doctors" from Stanford."

Misplaced Blame-The Case of Steve McQueen and Dr. Kelley


Dr. Gonzalez' mentor, Dr. Kelley (who developed the cancer program Dr. Gonzalez now uses), treated Steve McQueen. McQueen ultimately died, although he lasted almost a year under Dr. Kelley's care.


"He was terminal when he came to Dr. Kelley," Dr. Gonzalez says. "He had failed radiation, failed immunotherapy. He had been misdiagnosed for a year. The reason he ended up with Stage 4 mesothelioma is because he was misdiagnosed by his fancy conventional doctors in Southern California.

Then they gave him radiation – there's not a study in the history of the world showing that radiation helps in mesothelioma; they gave it anyway. Then they gave him immunotherapy. There's not a study in the history of the world saying that immunotherapy helps in mesothelioma. They did it anyway. Then he was dying and he went to see Kelley. He died, and Kelley got all the blame-not the doctors who misdiagnosed him! In fact when you read the newspaper articles, there are still articles about how Dr. Kelley killed McQueen.

No, cancer killed McQueen.

You see, an oncologist at Sloan-Kettering can do a bone marrow transplant on celebrity patients. They die, and he's written up like a hero... Kelley tries to help after conventional doctors failed miserably and misdiagnosed him, and McQueen lived longer than he should. (He was a half-compliant patient – he continued to smoke, drink, and eat ice cream.) I told Kelley when I first met him, "The biggest mistake you've made with McQueen is you took him as a patient. You should have told him to hit the trail."

Dr. Kelley is now dead. But 30 years later, he still gets blamed for McQueen's death. About two or three years ago, there was an Op-Ed piece in the Wall Street Journal attacking unconventional cancer therapy. They talked about McQueen, and how Kelley killed him. ... Conventional oncologists lose patients every day, and no one says they're murdering anybody. Instead they're considered heroes for trying so hard."

As Dr. Gonzalez says, it's not even a double standard; it's like being in an alternative Universe. If you're a conventional oncologist, you can do no wrong, you're lauded as a hero despite your failures, and you make a lot of money making them. Meanwhile, alternative practitioners may succeed again and again, and still be considered dangerous quacks. This is a mindset that has absolutely nothing to do with scientific validity, objectivity, or evaluation of data. It really falls into a category more reminiscent of religious fervor.

Conventional Medicine as a Religion


So, how did we get to this point? Why does this situation exist when it's so illogical?


"Conventional academic medicine is the last religion left in America," Dr. Gonzalez says.

"So the way you have to look at medicine is not as a scientific profession, but rather a religious profession... It has its irrational beliefs. It has its own special language. It has its tools, it has its rituals. ... The fact that they don't make us better is ignored. Landon died, Patrick Swayze died, Linda McCartney died; I could list 20 celebrities who are dead because they went the conventional route. Why didn't they do my therapy?

Because I don't have a temple. I don't even own a white coat... Michael Landon picked that up right away. In fact, his press agent, Harry Flynn, wanted him to come and see me... [But] one of Landon's comments about me was that I "wasn't fancy enough." So he went to the priesthood. He went to Cedars-Sinai."

Meanwhile, Dr. Gonzalez has patients who were diagnosed with pancreatic cancer at the same time as Michael Landon, who are still alive today. His oldest survivor began the program in 1988.

"We have multiple patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer who have done well," Dr. Gonzalez says. "It's interesting: I do have very world-renowned celebrities as patients. But no one knows who they are; no one knows they have cancer. The reason for that is because they didn't die, and we don't hold press conferences. They're doing their program and doing well with their lives.

We tell our patients: don't make cancer your life. Move on with your life. So they're back acting in movies, doing talk shows and that kind of stuff. No one knows they even had cancer. And that's fine with me. Some of them keep it secret because of the career thing, and they don't want the publicity. I understand that. So my successful patients who are celebrities, nobody knows who they are because they got well and they're just doing their job."

Now, it's important to stress that this is not a conspiracy.

The physicians who promote the conventional approach do so because they truly believe it's the right thing to do; the only thing that has any chance of working. Healing cancer with foods and coffee enemas seems ludicrous when compared to the most advanced drug cocktails. If the most potent toxins can't kill the cancer, how in the world could you get rid of the cancer with nutrients? They've bought the conventional paradigm hook line and sinker, and they promote it not just for their patients, but for themselves and their families as well. And they suffer the same consequences as their patients.


"They grow up with the bias that drugs are the way to go. It's how they're trained; it's imprinted in their brain in medical school. It's like mind control – it's what they believe. They just can't believe anything else. They go to their graves believing it – often to their discredit, unfortunately.

Many conventional physicians are also in just as poor a health as their patients. However, there are signs that the tide is slowly about to shift.


"We get calls from doctors now, asking us about nutrition and what supplements they should take," Dr. Gonzalez says. "There's been a big change in the last few years. Fifteen years ago it didn't happen, and now it's starting to happen."

For More Information


For more information about Dr. Gonzalez and his practice, see www.dr-gonzalez.com.

He's also working on a series of books, two of which have already been published and received five-star reviews: The Trophoblast and the Origins of Cancer, and One Man Alone: An Investigation of Nutrition, Cancer, and William Donald Kelley. Three others are in the works, one of which will contain 100 of Dr. Gonzalez' case reports of patients with advanced cancer who successfully recovered on his program.

Thankfully, Dr. Gonzalez is still on the front lines and actively engaged in helping people by coaching them with natural alternatives instead of toxic drugs and radiation. I would personally not hesitate to recommend him to a family member or a friend diagnosed with cancer. His office is in Manhattan, where he can be reached at (212) 213-3337 . His website, www.dr-gonzalez.com also contains information on how to become a patient, and everything a potential patient needs to know.

Another source for more information about alternative cancer treatments in general is Suzanne Somers' book, Knockout. She reviews Dr. Gonzalez' work in one chapter, and Dr. Gonzalez personally recommends the book as a well-researched resource for anyone interested in getting more information.


"For cancer, specifically, I think Suzanne did a good job," Dr. Gonzalez says. "She really worked hard to put together resources that she thought legitimate and would be helpful for patients... So that's a good place to start in terms of general recommendations."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/09/dr-nicholas-gonzalez-on-steve-jobs.aspx?e_cid=20111009_SNL_Art_1

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Interesting article by Dr Mercola, WL. It's the first I've heard that Jobs sought alternative therapies before going under the knife. If he had returned to alternative therapies instead of a liver transplant, he might have lived a lot longer - hard to say. One thing is certain: radiation & chemo will kill you quick.
Apparently he avoided both chemo and radiation, but without a positive program to reverse the condition, he couldn't last long.

Quote:
Conventional academic medicine is the last religion left in America," Dr. Gonzalez says.

I would just comment here that Western medicine is only one of a number of hallowed orthodoxies still killing and maiming people worldwide; Science, Christianity, Education, Economics, Military, and more are all driving us to the brink of extinction. The whole miserable, corrupt System must be dismantled before a harmonious world can emerge.

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Healing Cancer World Summit (http://www.awakeningblog.com/healing-cancer-world-summit.html) ( registration and attendance free)

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Interesting article by Dr Mercola, WL. It's the first I've heard that Jobs sought alternative therapies before going under the knife. If he had returned to alternative therapies instead of a liver transplant, he might have lived a lot longer - hard to say. One thing is certain: radiation & chemo will kill you quick.
Apparently he avoided both chemo and radiation, but without a positive program to reverse the condition, he couldn't last long.

Quote:
Conventional academic medicine is the last religion left in America," Dr. Gonzalez says.

I would just comment here that Western medicine is only one of a number of hallowed orthodoxies still killing and maiming people worldwide; Science, Christianity, Education, Economics, Military, and more are all driving us to the brink of extinction. The whole miserable, corrupt System must be dismantled before a harmonious world can emerge.
You should read up some more about Job and his illness.

When first diagnosed he went the alternative route and only turned to conventional medicine when it became obvious that the alt route wasn't working. He subsequently told his biographer he regretted not taking the conventional route until it was too late.

Would he have survived if he done this earlier? Who knows, but what is certain is that by delaying his treatment for useless alt med he did himself no favours.

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You should read up some more about Job and his illness.

When first diagnosed he went the alternative route and only turned to conventional medicine when it became obvious that the alt route wasn't working. He subsequently told his biographer he regretted not taking the conventional route until it was too late.

Would he have survived if he done this earlier? Who knows, but what is certain is that by delaying his treatment for useless alt med he did himself no favours.

Are you saying that if he had turned to radiation and chemo sooner, he might have lived longer? Statistics prove that conventional therapies do not work; moreover most doctors who contract cancer will not use them - they know the truth. Surgery also is usually ineffective because cancer exists throughout the body, and manifests itself at the body's weakest points.

Jobs should have continued in his use of alternative therapies - he then may have beat it altogether. We'll never know.

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Are you saying that if he had turned to radiation and chemo sooner, he might have lived longer?
No, I didn't say that. He went for the alt route that didn't work instead of surgery that has a high rate of cure in his case.

Statistics prove that conventional therapies do not work; moreover most doctors who contract cancer will not use them - they know the truth.
Nonsense, give us your sources.

Jobs should have continued in his use of alternative therapies - he then may have beat it altogether. We'll never know.

He gave up the alt route because it wasn't working, look it up. He told his biographer that he wished he had taken the surgery earlier.

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Cancer is easy curable. You can get rid of any form of cancer in few weeks. All you need to do is just stop eating produced and cooked food.

I know a guy who had strong cancer and he decided to kill himself. He went to forest with no food and water. He was living in forest for about two weeks
eating very few raw food like wild mushrooms, grass, roots and berries. After he left the forest all cancer has gone.

[muzungu100]

Cancer is easy curable. You can get rid of any form of cancer in few weeks. All you need to do is just stop eating produced and cooked food.

I know a guy who had strong cancer and he decided to kill himself. He went to forest with no food and water. He was living in forest for about two weeks
eating very few raw food like wild mushrooms, grass, roots and berries. After he left the forest all cancer has gone.
Which is what Jobs (with his diet) did until he realised it wasn't working and turned, too late, to conventional medicine.

If you want to believe that diet will cure you if you get a serious cancer that's really up to you, you will die though, possibly extremely unpleasantly.

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If you want to believe that diet will cure you if you get a serious cancer that's really up to you, you will die though, possibly extremely unpleasantly.

You'll die very unpleasantly with conventional "cures" (poison and burn) and live very unpleasantly and painfully too while you are taking them. Only plus points are a) you'll get a disabled parking disk and b) it's free on the NHS.

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Steve Jobs died because he had the wrong advice read below:

By Dr. Mercola

Steve Jobs died at 56 years old last week from complications of pancreatic cancer. Steve was the charismatic pioneer and innovative co-founder of Apple who transformed personal use of technology as well as entire industries with products such as the iPod, iPad, iPhone, Macintosh computer and the iTunes music store.

Steve was only 21 when he started Apple--officially formed on April Fool's Day, 1976. He was forced out in 1985 but returned 15 years ago and plucked Apple from near-bankruptcy, and in August of this year turned it into the most valuable company in the world passing Exxon.

Jeffery Kluger from Time Magazine had a great comment on the impact he made on the culture.



"But it's also fair to argue that Jobs was in some ways different from other captains of industry. Henry Ford, Thomas Edison and Bill Gates changed the world too - Gates more than all of them, perhaps, with his second chapter as the world's greatest philanthropist - and yet the garment rending and candle lighting that has followed Jobs' death suggests a passion that none of the others stir up.


Perhaps it's that Gates and the rest that invented what were essentially just products - remarkable things that transformed the way we lived, but merchandise all the same. Jobs' inventions got inside not just our lives but also our heads and - improbably - our hearts. That, of course, is the way it is with living things."

What Type of Person Was Steve Jobs?


Much has been said about Steve's brilliance in technology but there has not been much commentary about him as a person. The LA Times has an exceptional article that provides a great view into Steve's character. Larry Brilliant, an epidemiologist who was the director of Google's philanthropic arm Google.org, knew Steve Jobs for 35 years. He recalled first meeting Jobs when Jobs was 19, and he was in India working to eradicate smallpox.


"Jobs shielded himself and his family from the media, and his friends respected his privacy. But over the summer, Jobs told Brilliant that he would be "happy to have people talk about him," Jobs had dropped out of college and traveled to India to meet Brilliant's guru, Neem Karoli Baba. Baba died before Jobs reached the Kainchi Ashram with a Reed College friend –- and later, Apple's first employee -- Daniel Kottke.

"We met when he, like all of us, were spiritual seekers in India. It was that quality in him that people feel even though these are physical instruments, iPhones, iPods, iPads. People can feel that he was continuing that quest," Brilliant said. "He had this idea back in the 1970s, that cliché of giving power to the people. He really believed it. When he made the first Apple II, he thought he was giving power to the people by putting a computer on everyone's desk so they would not have to be dependent on the priesthood with mainframes.

This was giving power to the people in a very real way, not a theoretical way. What he has done is democratize access to information and access to beauty."

Because his private life was so little known, few outside of Jobs' inner circle experienced the caring side of Jobs, Brilliant said. In 2006 when Brilliant joined Google, both his wife and son were diagnosed with cancer. Brilliant was distraught. He says Jobs supported him by creating spreadsheets that ranked cancer surgeons based on a number of criteria including post-surgery infection rate, follow-up care and approval ratings.

"That's the part that people couldn't possibly know -- the love and the care that he put into everything he did. He just loved his family, Laurene (Powell) and the kids. He loved them more than anyone could articulate. And he loved Apple," Brilliant said.

"The defining character of Steve Jobs isn't his genius, it isn't his talent, it isn't his success. It's his love. That's why crowds came to see him. You could feel that. It sounds ridiculous to talk about love when you are making a gadget. But Steve loved his work, he loved the products he produced, and it was palpable. He communicated that love through bits of steel and plastic."

Classic Steve Jobs Quotes that Can Help You Live Your Life Better


Steve's premature passing was clearly a profound tragedy but we can use it to take to heart some of the wisdom he lived his life by and possibly improve our own life. Here are some of my favorite quotes from Steve that truly hit home as to some of the central reasons why we are on this planet. Remember he was born out of wedlock, put up for adoption, dropped out of college, fired from the company he founded, and still, he changed the world.

What's your excuse?


"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."

"When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: ‘If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right.' It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: ‘If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?' And whenever the answer has been ‘No' for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something."

"Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle."

As a testimony to Steve's greatness, there were many creative memes that people came up with. If you cared for Steve or Apple you will likely appreciate viewing these.



What Did Steve Jobs Die From?


Pancreatic cancer is one of the faster spreading cancers; only about 4 percent of patients can expect to survive five years after their diagnosis. Each year, about 44,000 new cases are diagnosed in the U.S., and 37,000 people die of the disease. Although cancer of the pancreas has a terrible prognosis--half of all patients with locally advanced pancreatic cancer die within 10 months of the diagnosis; half of those in whom it has metastasized die within six months--cancer in the pancreas is not necessarily a death sentence.

The pancreas contains two types of glands: exocrine glands that produce enzymes that break down fats and proteins, and endocrine glands that make hormones like insulin that regulate sugar in the blood. Jobs died of tumors originating in the endocrine glands, which are among the rarer forms of pancreatic cancer. Unlike pancreatic cancer, with neuroendocrine cancer, if you catch it early, there is a real potential for cure. His cancer was detected during an abdominal scan in October 2003, as Fortune magazine reported in a 2008 cover story.

It is widely believed in conventional medicine that surgery can lead to long-term survival. Despite the expert consensus on the value of surgery, Jobs did not elect it right away. He reportedly spent nine months on "alternative therapies," including what Fortune called "a special diet."

But when a scan showed that the original tumor had grown, he finally had it removed on July 31, 2004, at Stanford University Medical Clinic. He underwent an operation called a modified Whipple procedure, or a pancreatoduodenectomy, which removes the right side of the pancreas, the gallbladder, and parts of the stomach, bile duct, and small intestine, which was a strong suggestion that his cancer had spread beyond the pancreas.

Within five years, it was clear that Jobs was not cured. In April of 2009 Jobs flew to Switzerland and underwent an experimental procedure called peptide receptor radionuclide therapy (PRRT). It involves delivering radiation to tumor cells by attaching one of two radioactive isotopes to a drug that mimics somatostatin, the hormone that regulates the entire endocrine system and the secretion of other hormones.

This treatment apparently failed, as shortly after that he had a liver transplant at Methodist University Hospital in Memphis. This is likely because the cancer had spread from the pancreas to his liver. Liver transplants are a well-established treatment for tumors that originate in that organ BUT it is very uncommon to remove the liver for metastatic cancer.

This is not routinely done for two primary reasons. The first is that it in no way, shape, or form addresses the original cancer, and it can easily spread to the new liver. But more importantly, he had to be placed on large doses of drugs to suppress his immune system so he would not reject his new liver. Tragically this is the very system your body uses to help control cancers. The liver has enormous regenerative capacity, and if they only removed the portion of his liver that contained the malignant cells, he would not have to take those dangerous anti-rejection drugs.

Conventional cancer experts disagree with the approach that was taken for Steve.


" In contrast, with a liver transplant "the overall costs and complications ... override its benefits, especially when compared with partial [removal of the liver]." Indeed, liver transplants for metastatic cancer "have been largely abandoned," says Columbia's Chabot, because the immune-suppressing, anti-rejection drugs "lead to such a high recurrence rate.

Interestingly, it appears Steve was not given any chemotherapy or radiation treatments after his liver transplant, which undoubtedly contributed to his living over seven years after his surgery.

Was there Another Option for Steve's Cancer?


I am certainly not an expert in the treatment of cancer but it seems that Steve got the best cancer care possible. He avoided all treatments for nine months before electing to have a surgical intervention that frequently is curative for this type of cancer. It appears he also was able to avoid chemotherapy and radiation. Of course, the question remains on how he got the original cancer. It is impossible to know for sure as there are so many variables.

However, the biggest issue may have been the decision to have a liver transplant and go on the anti-rejection drugs. Conventional oncologists are stating that was, perhaps, a mistake.

I thought it would be helpful to interview an expert in the natural treatment of cancer on this so I contacted Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez, who is widely known for his work with pancreatic cancer. I previously interviewed Dr. Gonzalez about his remarkable cancer program, in which he discussed the details of his history and the therapeutic approaches he employs-with a rate of success that is entirely unheard of in conventional medicine, I might add.

As explained in our first interview, Dr. Gonzalez has been involved in the natural treatment of cancer for over 25 years, and offers really innovative therapies for this devastating disease. He's known internationally for his expertise on pancreatic cancer specifically, but his therapies have wider applications and can be applied to all forms of cancer.

Many of his pancreatic cancer patients are still alive and well today, having survived up to 20 years... In conventional medicine, this is simply unheard of. Using the best conventional therapies we have, the typical survival rate for a pancreatic cancer patient is about 12-18 months.

To summarize Dr. Gonzalez' program, it consists of three basic components:
1.Individualized diet based on nutritional (metabolic) typing
2.Individualized supplement program, which includes vitamins, minerals, trace elements, and pancreatic enzymes
3.Detoxification, which includes coffee enemas and colon cleanses

To review the details of his program, please see our previous interview.

Steve Jobs, Another Victim of Pancreatic Cancer


There are two basic types of pancreatic cancer. The most aggressive form is adenocarcinoma, which develops in the cells that produce pancreatic enzymes (these enzymes help digest proteins, fats, and carbohydrates and eliminate toxins from your body).


"About 95 percent of pancreatic cancers develop in the enzyme-producing cells that synthesize the main digestive enzymes of the intestinal tract," Dr. Gonzalez explains. "About five percent are developed in the endocrine component of the pancreas. The pancreas not only produces enzymes, but also produces hormones like insulin and glucagon. Cancer can develop in the insulin or other hormone-producing cells, but it's much less common. They tend to be a little less aggressive – the average survival for carcinoma of the enzyme-producing cells is probably three to six months."

Steve Jobs had this latter version of pancreatic cancer; islet cell carcinoma, the technical term for cancer of the hormone producing cells of the pancreas.


"He didn't have the most aggressive form," Dr. Gonzalez says. "... [H]e's had it for many years. He had a liver transplant in Memphis about two years ago. Again, he was very secretive about what was going on... [I]t must have meant he had a metastasis in the liver. First, he had to be treated with immunosuppressants. Whenever you have a transplanted organ, your body will tend to reject it, so you have to suppress your immune system. That's not good when you have a history of cancer, because immunosuppression can stimulate cancer growth since you're suppressing your own immune ability to fight cancer."

It appears Steve Jobs did everything he could, conventionally and alternatively to stay alive. As Dr. Gonzalez states, money certainly wasn't a limiting factor in his treatment.


"A procedure like that can run several hundred thousand dollars, at least. So my assumption, having treated pancreatic cancer for over two decades, he probably had metastasis in the liver, and it was a somewhat desperate attempt to try to keep it under control, although it would be ultimately futile. There's always the possibility of some kind of liver failure for reasons other than cancer that might have led him to a liver transplant, such as a medication reaction, hepatitis C from transfusion or something. But again, the reasons have never been publicly released, so we don't know. But most likely, he had metastasis in the liver."

Many Cancer Patients Shun Natural Cancer Treatment Options


According to Dr. Gonzalez, Jobs was seeing an acupuncturist who was very anxious for him to contact Dr. Gonzalez for advice. Dr. Gonzalez has been successfully treating cancer patients for over two decades.

"One of my great patients is a fellow from Michigan who had islet cell carcinoma that, at the time of diagnosis in 1995, had already metastasized to his liver. He went to the Mayo clinic, where everything was confirmed; he had CAT scans and biopsies... To the Mayo clinic's credit... if they know that a therapy isn't going to be useful, they don't promote it, whereas a lot of oncologists will promote therapies that are worthless.


The Mayo clinic told him chemo wouldn't do anything for him... There was really nothing they could do. He started with me in 1995, shortly after his diagnosis. He's alive and well now, 16 years later. CAT scans beginning around 2000 showed total resolution of his big tumors. He had a huge tumor in the pancreas -- it must have been around 6 centimeters. And then he had a big tumor, right under the liver. All these are gone."


Celebrity Patients and 'Star' Oncologists


Jobs is not the only celebrity who did everything he could through the conventional paradigm, which tragically has an abysmal success rate.


"Michael Landon actually did consult with me," Dr. Gonzalez says, "but he never did the therapy. His press agent, Harry Flynn, became a very good friend. Harry and I remain friends to this day, and this goes back to 20 years ago. As soon as a successful celebrity gets cancer, the conventional predators come out of the woodwork-and they say that alternative doctors are sitting there like predators, trying to lure unsuspecting cancer patients into their lairs. You know, I've been in the alternative world for a long time, and I've come out of this very conventional research. But I don't see a whole of that in the alternative world.

What I do see is conventional doctors doing exactly what they criticize in alternative doctors. Landon was treated by an "eminent oncologist" from Cedars-Sinai, who held a press conference. The first thing conventional doctors do when they get a celebrity is to hold a press conference. To me it's almost like narcissism, just to show how important they are with all these celebrities coming to them. This is even if they know they can't do anything. He gave Landon an experimental chemo, but he was dead in three months."

As Dr. Gonzalez points out, conventional doctors can fail miserably and still be considered heroes. Alternative doctors, even the most successful ones, are still looked upon with great suspicion if not disdain. Upon Landon's death, his oncologist held another press conference, and Landon's widow was impressed with how "hard" his doctor had worked to treat her dying husband.


"You see, when a conventional oncologist loses a celebrity patient, they portray him as a hero fighting this terrible disease against the enormous odds; working late into the night trying to keep the celebrity alive," Dr. Gonzalez says. "But when an alternative practitioner loses a patient, they consider him a sleazy quack getting money from unsuspecting cancer victims.

... The same thing was true, more recently, with Patrick Swayze. He had a very aggressive pancreatic cancer. Stanford oncologists doing his treatment held press conferences routinely... filled with this kind of joyful optimism that "they're going to help." He was gone in 18 months. Friends of his are actually patients of mine, but he absolutely had no interest in alternative medicine. He was very conventional – used "the best doctors" from Stanford."

Misplaced Blame-The Case of Steve McQueen and Dr. Kelley


Dr. Gonzalez' mentor, Dr. Kelley (who developed the cancer program Dr. Gonzalez now uses), treated Steve McQueen. McQueen ultimately died, although he lasted almost a year under Dr. Kelley's care.


"He was terminal when he came to Dr. Kelley," Dr. Gonzalez says. "He had failed radiation, failed immunotherapy. He had been misdiagnosed for a year. The reason he ended up with Stage 4 mesothelioma is because he was misdiagnosed by his fancy conventional doctors in Southern California.

Then they gave him radiation – there's not a study in the history of the world showing that radiation helps in mesothelioma; they gave it anyway. Then they gave him immunotherapy. There's not a study in the history of the world saying that immunotherapy helps in mesothelioma. They did it anyway. Then he was dying and he went to see Kelley. He died, and Kelley got all the blame-not the doctors who misdiagnosed him! In fact when you read the newspaper articles, there are still articles about how Dr. Kelley killed McQueen.

No, cancer killed McQueen.

You see, an oncologist at Sloan-Kettering can do a bone marrow transplant on celebrity patients. They die, and he's written up like a hero... Kelley tries to help after conventional doctors failed miserably and misdiagnosed him, and McQueen lived longer than he should. (He was a half-compliant patient – he continued to smoke, drink, and eat ice cream.) I told Kelley when I first met him, "The biggest mistake you've made with McQueen is you took him as a patient. You should have told him to hit the trail."

Dr. Kelley is now dead. But 30 years later, he still gets blamed for McQueen's death. About two or three years ago, there was an Op-Ed piece in the Wall Street Journal attacking unconventional cancer therapy. They talked about McQueen, and how Kelley killed him. ... Conventional oncologists lose patients every day, and no one says they're murdering anybody. Instead they're considered heroes for trying so hard."

As Dr. Gonzalez says, it's not even a double standard; it's like being in an alternative Universe. If you're a conventional oncologist, you can do no wrong, you're lauded as a hero despite your failures, and you make a lot of money making them. Meanwhile, alternative practitioners may succeed again and again, and still be considered dangerous quacks. This is a mindset that has absolutely nothing to do with scientific validity, objectivity, or evaluation of data. It really falls into a category more reminiscent of religious fervor.

Conventional Medicine as a Religion


So, how did we get to this point? Why does this situation exist when it's so illogical?


"Conventional academic medicine is the last religion left in America," Dr. Gonzalez says.

"So the way you have to look at medicine is not as a scientific profession, but rather a religious profession... It has its irrational beliefs. It has its own special language. It has its tools, it has its rituals. ... The fact that they don't make us better is ignored. Landon died, Patrick Swayze died, Linda McCartney died; I could list 20 celebrities who are dead because they went the conventional route. Why didn't they do my therapy?

Because I don't have a temple. I don't even own a white coat... Michael Landon picked that up right away. In fact, his press agent, Harry Flynn, wanted him to come and see me... [But] one of Landon's comments about me was that I "wasn't fancy enough." So he went to the priesthood. He went to Cedars-Sinai."

Meanwhile, Dr. Gonzalez has patients who were diagnosed with pancreatic cancer at the same time as Michael Landon, who are still alive today. His oldest survivor began the program in 1988.

"We have multiple patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer who have done well," Dr. Gonzalez says. "It's interesting: I do have very world-renowned celebrities as patients. But no one knows who they are; no one knows they have cancer. The reason for that is because they didn't die, and we don't hold press conferences. They're doing their program and doing well with their lives.

We tell our patients: don't make cancer your life. Move on with your life. So they're back acting in movies, doing talk shows and that kind of stuff. No one knows they even had cancer. And that's fine with me. Some of them keep it secret because of the career thing, and they don't want the publicity. I understand that. So my successful patients who are celebrities, nobody knows who they are because they got well and they're just doing their job."

Now, it's important to stress that this is not a conspiracy.

The physicians who promote the conventional approach do so because they truly believe it's the right thing to do; the only thing that has any chance of working. Healing cancer with foods and coffee enemas seems ludicrous when compared to the most advanced drug cocktails. If the most potent toxins can't kill the cancer, how in the world could you get rid of the cancer with nutrients? They've bought the conventional paradigm hook line and sinker, and they promote it not just for their patients, but for themselves and their families as well. And they suffer the same consequences as their patients.


"They grow up with the bias that drugs are the way to go. It's how they're trained; it's imprinted in their brain in medical school. It's like mind control – it's what they believe. They just can't believe anything else. They go to their graves believing it – often to their discredit, unfortunately.

Many conventional physicians are also in just as poor a health as their patients. However, there are signs that the tide is slowly about to shift.


"We get calls from doctors now, asking us about nutrition and what supplements they should take," Dr. Gonzalez says. "There's been a big change in the last few years. Fifteen years ago it didn't happen, and now it's starting to happen."

For More Information


For more information about Dr. Gonzalez and his practice, see www.dr-gonzalez.com.

He's also working on a series of books, two of which have already been published and received five-star reviews: The Trophoblast and the Origins of Cancer, and One Man Alone: An Investigation of Nutrition, Cancer, and William Donald Kelley. Three others are in the works, one of which will contain 100 of Dr. Gonzalez' case reports of patients with advanced cancer who successfully recovered on his program.

Thankfully, Dr. Gonzalez is still on the front lines and actively engaged in helping people by coaching them with natural alternatives instead of toxic drugs and radiation. I would personally not hesitate to recommend him to a family member or a friend diagnosed with cancer. His office is in Manhattan, where he can be reached at (212) 213-3337 . His website, www.dr-gonzalez.com also contains information on how to become a patient, and everything a potential patient needs to know.

Another source for more information about alternative cancer treatments in general is Suzanne Somers' book, Knockout. She reviews Dr. Gonzalez' work in one chapter, and Dr. Gonzalez personally recommends the book as a well-researched resource for anyone interested in getting more information.


"For cancer, specifically, I think Suzanne did a good job," Dr. Gonzalez says. "She really worked hard to put together resources that she thought legitimate and would be helpful for patients... So that's a good place to start in terms of general recommendations."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/09/dr-nicholas-gonzalez-on-steve-jobs.aspx?e_cid=20111009_SNL_Art_1

It seemed to be the liver transplant.

[ronleroy]

Which is what Jobs (with his diet) did until he realised it wasn't working and turned, too late, to conventional medicine.

If you want to believe that diet will cure you if you get a serious cancer that's really up to you, you will die though, possibly extremely unpleasantly.

How conventional medicine can be successful at curing cancer if it is designed to reduce population by using cancer. Illuminati controls all medicine in western world and use it to reduce world population, don't be naive no one will help you with cancer in official medical clinics. All they can do is to inject in body deadly chemicals or radiation to kill you faster. I know people who died fast after radiation and chemical therapy.


It is not normal for human body to have a cancer. Having cancer means something wrong with your immunity system with you lifestyle with environment. Throw your mobiles to the garbadge bean, change diet to raw unkooked food, change place of living to the place there is no chemical aerosol dumping from the planes. You will feel much better. If you live standart western life under constant chemtrails on the sky in highly electrosmog polluted aerea from mobiles phones and death towers, eating overprocessed food with high calories but with zero enzymes your chance of survyving a cancer is low, no matter of threatment.

[ormus]

Movies about Cancer (http://www.awakeningblog.com/movies-about-cancer.html)

Healing Cancer World Summit (http://www.awakeningblog.com/healing-cancer-world-summit.html) ( registration and attendance free)

I did not see Forks over Knives

[totallybonkers]

ormus: I've had a quick look at the links, are they genuine? as they seem like the usual "draw you in" marketing tactic so common in the US. They usually draw you in with heart felt testimonials, gentle music, pretty and horrible images etc. and then offer a product. usual $$$$$ tactic.

[ormus]

ormus: I've had a quick look at the links, are they genuine? as they seem like the usual "draw you in" marketing tactic so common in the US. They usually draw you in with heart felt testimonials, gentle music, pretty and horrible images etc. and then offer a product. usual $$$$$ tactic.

Ya most documentaries do that but off the top of my head most the ones posted here on the links are not selling you any products besides an idea. Are they genuine most of them are. For me I have experience with the hemp oil. I've never cured any cancers with it and that's because I have never given this oil to someone who has cancer.
If you are a heavy meat eater or love meat some of these documentaries will not be genuine to you. The ones that have cancer in their title don't talk about food much and more about cancer. Food matters,Fork over knives,Gersons, these focus on the american diet and why our healthcare system has so much disease.

[julie29]

Hi,

I am also very interested in this subject and wrote an article for work to go on the Firm's website recently. They would not publish it because it was too controversial. I am still working on trying to chop and change it a little and it looks as though the law bit can go on but not the rest. We shall see. Sorry if I have duplicated a lot of the responses on here. I have read a lot of your views which are similar, so I hope it isn't all just repeated. Also I have just copied and pasted it so hope it isn't too jumbled up.

Conventional Cancer Treatments…The Only Solution?
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You will no doubt be aware of the limited number of cancer treatments available through conventional means, such as invasive surgery, radiotherapy and chemotherapy. There may also be from time to time, media news coverage highlighting a new drug yet to undergo clinical trials, with the promise that it may increase lifespan by a few more months. Sometimes they are successful, but the majority of the time the success can be short-lived and treatment can cause more harm than good with their numerous side effects. Whilst the above treatments appear to be the only avenues, are they the only solution?

Research would suggest that there are many other factors to consider. Although less conventional, the natural route has been around since time immemorial and many consider this to be ‘the norm’ as opposed to taking medical drugs, which is a relatively new concept in comparison. Clearly there are arguments for both sides, however this article will concentrate on the alternatives that are documented and provide some insight as to what is available and where to look for further information and advice.

You would be forgiven for thinking that if such cures existed then you would have heard about it on main stream media, that such a revelation in medicine would be headline news! – Worryingly, The Cancer Act of 1939, particularly Section 4, forbids advertising an offer to treat, prescribe or advise in the treatment of cancer, unless it is by the health professionals for the health professionals. It remains in force. Should an alternative cure be found, then the UK is forbidden to advertise or publicise it. Not surprisingly legal research into the Act provides no commentary, cases or journals. Could this be why alleged natural cures never seem to reach the light of day – unless of course it is fed through the main stream media via conventional medicine only? The following link is Dounne Alexander’s reform application to the Law Commission regarding The Cancer Act 1939 :-http://www.joininghandsinhealth.com/news/ARTICLE_OCT11_CANCERACT1939.asp. There are many people all over the world, not least throughout the UK who have overcome some debilitating illnesses without conventional medicine. Read Fiona Burns’ story below on how Trading Standards tried to stop her from telling her story. http://cancerucan.blogspot.com/p/cancer-act-1939.html

With effect from May 2011, there was also a rather stealth passing of Codex Alimentarius by the EU. This bans many effective natural herbs and remedies from the shelves of Health Food shops in the UK. Whilst those who knew about it have been actively campaigning against this oppressive and draconian law, very little has been publicised and has not been headline news. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/apr/13/law.theguardian

In fact, much has been done behind the scenes by many advocates in favour of natural health, not least by The National Health Federation (NHF). Established in 1955, it is an international non-profit, health-freedom organisation which works to protect individuals’ rights to choose to consume healthy food, take supplements and use alternative therapies without government restrictions. It is not only the oldest health freedom organisation but the only one accredited by Codex to attend and speak out at meetings of the Codex Alimentarius Commission, the highest international body on food standards. http://thenhf.co.uk/?p=611 There is also a movement actively campaigning for open and transparent honesty when it comes to herbal remedies as it appears this aspect of health gets brushed under the carpet despite their effectiveness. http://campaignfortruth.com/home.htm

Clearly prevention is better than cure but from the western cultures’ lifestyle, areas of grave concern are highlighted, from not only the polluted air we breathe, but what we put into our bodies and what we smother on to our bodies. We are a nation who have put our trust in authority, believing they know what is best for us. However decisions made appear rarely for our benefit and sadly more to do with profits and greed. With billions of pounds each year being donated through charitable organisations for research, surely a cure should have been found by now! With cancer patients on the increase, what is the point of giving to Cancer Charities and who is benefitting? Furthermore, if you consider the trillions of pounds profit Pharmaceutical Companies gain from this disease alone, we may start to see that perhaps we are funding lifestyles as opposed to finding cures. Each cancer patient is worth $300,000.00 in the US to the Pharmaceutical Companies – It is Big Business!

Pharmaceutical Companies are transnational organisations operating from many different countries worldwide. Most are wealthier than many countries put together, which highlights the magnitude and power they possess. Throughout the training of a medical student only three days are spent on nutrition, once again highlighting the impact and influence pharmaceutical companies possess over our health and the choices available to us through conventional means.

With the law seemingly to be siding with these organisations in the misguided belief that to remove natural herbs and therapies is for our benefit and safety poses two questions; 1) how far will this go? and; 2) who is controlling who? Becoming aware and taking control of our own health must start with each individual. It is true to say that Pharmaceutical drugs are not natural, they are synthetic (and mostly always contain harmful side effects) which is why they are patented and marketed for big profit. Natural products cannot be patented, are found naturally and grow freely, therefore very little profit can be made from them. Today, more and more Medical Professionals are becoming aware of the added benefits that alternative treatments can provide and willingly recommend (off the record) alternative remedies as opposed to prescribing drugs that tend to only treat the symptoms and not the cause.

From research, maintaining a healthy body and mind can be as simple as what food we choose to eat and what products we decide to buy :-

* Eat organic foods where possible - they are as nature intended, full of far more nutrients and you will eat less.

* Avoid Genetically Modified foods – we are the pharmaceutical companies’ guinea pigs in this regard as not enough is known to certify the food as being ‘safe’. Serious concerns have been raised, but here again, profit appears more important than public health. If in doubt – leave out!

* Watch out for additives, preservatives and flavours added to processed foods and sweets. There is increasing research indicating that many are carcinogenic. They may have been passed as safe by EU standards, but many clinical trials/research has been carried out and funded by the manufacturers – a clear conflict of interest. If you can’t avoid processed food, do your research and find out what you are putting into your bodies and the consequences of doing so.

* Sun creams, moisturisers and beauty products can also be detrimental to your health. Many contain petroleum and paraffin based substances as well as other toxic chemicals. Not only are you clogging up your pores and preventing toxins from being emitted naturally from your body, but you are preventing the natural sunlight on your bodies creating Vitamin D3 which is essential for both mental and physical wellbeing. Research now indicates that Vitamin D3 deficiency may be a contributory factor to cancer, diabetes and other conditions.

* Many washing powders, washing liquids, shampoos, conditioners and other popular toiletries contain chemical perfumes amongst others that may also be carcinogenic. You can buy eco friendly products that contain no parabens, colourants, phthalates and phenoxyethanol. Eco friendly products are good for you and the environment.

* Dairy products have also been linked with breast and prostate cancer amongst other conditions. Research shows that milk and animal protein actually causes calcium to leach from the bones. Cow’s milk in its raw form is meant for calves. When pasteurised, almost all nutrients are lost leaving behind a white liquid of steroids, antibiotics and hormones regardless of whether it is organic or not. Pasteurised milk kills calves. Read Professor Jane Plant’s story here in her fight against breast cancer. http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lnotmilk6.htm

* Sugar is processed and plays havoc with your own blood sugar levels as well as being toxic to the body and feeds cancer cells. Chemical sweeteners such as High-fructose corn syrup, Aspartame, Nutrasweet, Splenda and other chemical sweeteners may be even worse and do not aid in weight loss. They are also detrimental to mental wellbeing and affects normal brain function. The FDA have more complaints from the effects of Aspartame than any other, highlighting a need to re-evaluate. Despite attempts, nothing has been done and this chemical remains in our food and passed as safe by the EU. That said, Asda has now removed this chemical sweetener from all of its branded products and drinks and Sainsburys have made moves to remove it from various own brand drinks. This triumph has been due to increasing consumer pressure. If you need sugar in your diet then try Stevia rebaudiana, Xylitol, Erythritol, Raw Coconut palm sugar, Lo Han Guo, Maple syrup, organic unrefined cane sugar or natural honey as alternatives.

* Cancer thrives in an acidic environment. Alkaline your body by avoiding dairy and coffee, sugar, white flour and fizzy drinks. Instead try fresh fruit juices as well as citrus fruits which surprisingly do turn alkaline once ingested. Our saliva is naturally alkaline and by design, we are similar to herbivores and not carnivores, all of whom have acidic saliva. Cancer does not survive in an alkaline body.

* We have been plagued in the Supermarkets with an abundance of foods bad for our health and well being. Our health choices are also fuelled by aggressive marketing/advertising campaigns and by watching sports and TV personalities who are paid vast sums of money for promoting products and drinks that contain very little nutritional value and chemical additives, potentially dangerous to our health. What is ironic, is that two of the worst culprits are sponsoring the 2012 Olympics! It can be difficult to find healthy alternatives. At the end of this article will be a number of websites that sell a good selection of Dairy free and meat-free products.

* Statistics have shown that those people who live near electricity pylons have an increased risk of developing leukaemia/cancer. This is due to the electromagnetic radiation being emitted. The same goes for all electrical products from mobile phones to the T.V. If you can, remove or turn off as many electrical devices as possible, especially when sleeping, to reduce your risk.

* Water contains over 1,000 contaminates that poison our bodies. Water filters can be bought making your drinking water 99% pure. Please go to http://www.osmiowater.co.uk/ to view how effective water filters can be.

Alternative Options

The list provided below is by no means exhaustive and the reader is advised to carry out their own research and further investigations into this informative and fascinating subject area :-

* Vitamin B17 – Naturally found in Apricot Kernels and other seeds. Why is this vitamin not contained within Multivitamins and Vitamin B Complexes when research shows it has beneficial effects on cancer patients? Recommended quantities are in the region of between 5 – 20 kernels per day, although some people have taken more. Care and assertiveness is required not to over eat these kernels as they contain naturally occurring traces of cyanide which is essential in its effectiveness. Read the link below which explains how it works. http://www.naturalnews.com/031336_laetrile_cancer_cells.html

* Vitamin C – Very high doses of Vitamin C between 5,000 – 10,000 mg per day and even higher has been pioneered by Linus Pauling, twice Nobel Peace Prize Winner. He held the view that very high doses of Vitamin C was beneficial to cancer sufferers whilst maintaining a healthy immune system. He also wrote many books on Cancer. Surprisingly, they appear to have been missed off his biography on the Nobel Peace Prize Website. The Linus Pauling Institute continues in its research of Vitamins at http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/. Purchase your Vitamin C from a Health Food Shop or Online Herbalist to ensure that they do not contain Aspartame or other chemical sweetener. The link below discusses some of the trials that have been undertaken. http://www.doctoryourself.com/riordan1.html

* Vitamin D3 – High doses of Vitamin D3 has shown to maintain a healthy body and mind and aids in the prevention of cancer, obesity and diabetes amongst other conditions. Make sure to buy only D3 and not D2 as this is the Pharmaceutical Company’s synthetic alternative. Recommended dosage is to take 8,000 IUS per day, far more than the RDA indicate which appears to be the case on many vitamin supplements to ensure optimum health.

* Miracle Mineral Solution – There are various protocols to follow depending upon the ailment, but tests have discovered that this solution has been linked to curing all kinds of diseases, both viral and bacterial including ridding the body of heavy metals. Visit the following websites for further information and advice. http://jimhumble.biz/ and http://www.mmsanswers.org/

* Colloidal Silver Water – Also known as Oxy Silver and Hydro Silver has been claimed to cure bacterial and viral diseases, even E-Coli. The saying, “born with a silver spoon in your mouth” is analogous of this. Silver appears to kill disease which explains why, during the plague/Black Death, whilst the poor suffered and died, the privileged who ate with silverware survived.

* Almonds – Taking 6 raw organic almonds per day naturally balances blood sugar levels. They contain calcium, magnesium, Vitamin E and phytochemicals which can aid the prevention of cancer and cardiovascular disease.

* Fresh fruit - Antioxidant rich extracts from berries such as strawberries, blueberries, blackberries and raspberries have shown to halt cancer cell growth and contain other benefits essential to maintaining good health. Pomegranate appears to be one of the most effective fruit to eat called a natural pharmacy in a single fruit. http://www.amazing-pomegranate-health-benefits.com/

* Zara’s Herbal Tea containing African Bush Willow – Found at http://www.grammasintl.com/html/products/products_zht.asp has been linked with being beneficial to cancer sufferers, although you will note from the website, specific information has been forcibly removed by virtue of The Cancer Act.

* The Gerson Therapy Centre is specifically designed for the treatment of diseases naturally and covers all aspects of food and health. http://gerson.org/GersonTherapy/gersontherapy.htm There is a UK support group found at http://www.gersonsupportgroup.org.uk/

* Finally, always try to maintain a positive frame of mind. Quantum science have researched techniques that have been tried and tested that show far more people succeed and overcome illness by holding on to this mindset than those who simply ‘give up’. Go to http://www.lifepositive.com/body/body-holistic/cancer-cure/cancer-cures.asp for further reading on the evidence surrounding this type of technique. http://www.knowledgeworkz.com/samatvam/images/Appreciative%20Acumen%20-%20Case%20study%20by%20Sunil%20Maheshwari.pdf


For further reading and information please go to :-

NaturalNews.com Grammasintl.com NaturalHealth.com DrMercola.com MiracleMineral.org Naturalskinhealth.com
Preventcancer.com BobBeck.com Canceractive.com
Sharinghealth.com Stevia.com TheDonTolman.com
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