Newsletter 13/5

[hagbard_celine]

I'm trying to work out which of David's newsletters are the best and this one must be a contender. It really made me think. When we talk about supressed information we usually think of aliens or Free Energy. Life-after-death is not usually the first thing to pop up. Perhaps it should be. What would the world be like if science admitted that LAD was real? Think how profoundly it would effect us! Of course the majority of people believe in some for of LAD anyway, but to have the authorities recognize its existance would be another matter altogether!

I think this must be the most fanatically supressed secret of all; no, David, even the Reptillian presence is less closely guarded than this! This is what was written on the scrolls that became ashes in the fire at the Library of Alexandria. This is what lies in ancient, musty leather-bound books in the deepest, darkest, most secret vault in the Vatican library, this was the "Good News" that Jesus preached before he was crucified and gagged and had his words twisted by the Nicene Creed.

If you think about it, to control people you need them to be demoralized. It's essential that we loose hope and feel helpless and that our life has no meaning. In this state of mind we become dispondant and broken: putty in the Loomies' hands! This passage from a novel sums it up:

But there may be a deeper more fundamental reason. I’ve found, in my experience, that governments seem to have an almost reflex-like aversion to all the things that you might describe as ‘paranormal’ or ‘out-of-the-ordinary.’ Things like ghosts or UFO’s, or events like this one, which rock the boat of conventional worldviews. They will attempt to deny, reject and suppress information on any phenomenon that could lead people to question the reality of the banal, three-up-two-down existence which we live in. I think they need us to be quiet, subservient, uninspired and bored in order to rule us.

What more demorlaizing and dispondant idea can there be than that consciousness is simply a product of brain function. We're animated peices of meat! Every feeling, thought and concept is just the shuttling of electrochemicals in the neuroplie. When the brain dies it will cease forever. So you see there's a vested interest in keeping us in the dark about LAD.

[tinmenace]

I'm trying to work out which of David's newsletters are the best and this one must be a contender. It really made me think. When we talk about supressed information we usually think of aliens or Free Energy. Life-after-death is not usually the first thing to pop up. Perhaps it should be. What would the world be like if science admitted that LAD was real? Think how profoundly it would effect us! Of course the majority of people believe in some for of LAD anyway, but to have the authorities recognize its existance would be another matter altogether!

I think this must be the most fanatically supressed secret of all; no, David, even the Reptillian presence is less closely guarded than this! This is what was written on the scrolls that became ashes in the fire at the Library of Alexandria. This is what lies in ancient, musty leather-bound books in the deepest, darkest, most secret vault in the Vatican library, this was the "Good News" that Jesus preached before he was crucified and gagged and had his words twisted by the Nicene Creed.

If you think about it, to control people you need them to be demoralized. It's essential that we loose hope and feel helpless and that our life has no meaning. In this state of mind we become dispondant and broken: putty in the Loomies' hands! This passage from a novel sums it up:



What more demorlaizing and dispondant idea can there be than that consciousness is simply a product of brain function. We're animated peices of meat! Every feeling, thought and concept is just the shuttling of electrochemicals in the neuroplie. When the brain dies it will cease forever. So you see there's a vested interest in keeping us in the dark about LAD.

It is a good one. Didn't the style of writing seem different to you?

[hagbard_celine]

It is a good one. Didn't the style of writing seem different to you?

Dunno. I'll read it through again.

[seanx]

I'm trying to work out which of David's newsletters are the best and this one must be a contender. It really made me think. When we talk about supressed information we usually think of aliens or Free Energy. Life-after-death is not usually the first thing to pop up. Perhaps it should be. What would the world be like if science admitted that LAD was real? Think how profoundly it would effect us! Of course the majority of people believe in some for of LAD anyway, but to have the authorities recognize its existance would be another matter altogether!

I think this must be the most fanatically supressed secret of all; no, David, even the Reptillian presence is less closely guarded than this! This is what was written on the scrolls that became ashes in the fire at the Library of Alexandria. This is what lies in ancient, musty leather-bound books in the deepest, darkest, most secret vault in the Vatican library, this was the "Good News" that Jesus preached before he was crucified and gagged and had his words twisted by the Nicene Creed.

If you think about it, to control people you need them to be demoralized. It's essential that we loose hope and feel helpless and that our life has no meaning. In this state of mind we become dispondant and broken: putty in the Loomies' hands! This passage from a novel sums it up:


Quote:
But there may be a deeper more fundamental reason. I’ve found, in my experience, that governments seem to have an almost reflex-like aversion to all the things that you might describe as ‘paranormal’ or ‘out-of-the-ordinary.’ Things like ghosts or UFO’s, or events like this one, which rock the boat of conventional worldviews. They will attempt to deny, reject and suppress information on any phenomenon that could lead people to question the reality of the banal, three-up-two-down existence which we live in. I think they need us to be quiet, subservient, uninspired and bored in order to rule us.

What more demorlaizing and dispondant idea can there be than that consciousness is simply a product of brain function. We're animated peices of meat! Every feeling, thought and concept is just the shuttling of electrochemicals in the neuroplie. When the brain dies it will cease forever. So you see there's a vested interest in keeping us in the dark about LAD.

Excellent post.

You're dead right. This is the biggest 'secret' of them all.

In fact, it's one of the main purposes of the Catholic Church - to
keep people so-called 'believing' in life after dead but NEVER, NEVER
knowing it.

They know with 'faith', there will always be doubt - but KNOWING
something is totally different.

Believing something but not really knowing if it is true keeps us in a
low, heavy, depresssed, sometimes happy, sometimes despairing
vibration.

Just what they want. Can you give me idea of some of the main points
david icke was making.

[graflok]

I believe the two subjects are closely related, i.e., reps and afterlife.

This is a prison planet in every sense of the word. They don't want us leaving
or knowing what's going on in life or death.

At death I believe they have the means to lure us, capture us and wipe out
our memories. Then they send us back to do it all over again with no memories
of what went on before.

I think the things often reported with Near Death Experiences (the light, tunnel,
rapture, loved ones, etc) are deceptions and part of their trap.


graflok

[garth]

I believe the two subjects are closely related, i.e., reps and afterlife.

This is a prison planet in every sense of the word. They don't want us leaving
or knowing what's going on in life or death.

At death I believe they have the means to lure us, capture us and wipe out
our memories. Then they send us back to do it all over again with no memories
of what went on before.

I think the things often reported with Near Death Experiences (the light, tunnel,
rapture, loved ones, etc) are deceptions and part of their trap.


I tend to agree, and it could stand to reason that near death experience is just another "matrix movie" played out while there is still electrical impulses buzzing around in our brains even though the heart has stopped (have witnessed this in animals, heart stopped but nerve/electrical impulses stilll function for quite some time after death). What better way to "inform" the masses there is hope, there is an afterlife.

What if the afterlife is just another dimension of here, like where ghosts etc reside, maybe they are coneceted, have full knowledge but don't have anything physical to interact with, no way of using the knowlege to break free. Perhaps this what paranormal events are, souled spirits existing in another frequency, close to ours, trying to tell us what is going on, but without the means. Residing there before being recycled back into our "5 sense" reality, but without the knowledge. How frustrating would that be, have the knowledge of what this all is, but no means to act, get thrown back into 5 sense physical form where you can act, but have no knowledge to work with. Cruelty to the max. All part of a gigantic cyclic prison.

[hagbard_celine]

It is a good one. Didn't the style of writing seem different to you?

Nothing leapt out of the page. I suppose they're all a bit different. What, in David's style, sounded different to you?

[hagbard_celine]

Excellent post.

You're dead right. This is the biggest 'secret' of them all.

In fact, it's one of the main purposes of the Catholic Church - to
keep people so-called 'believing' in life after dead but NEVER, NEVER
knowing it.

They know with 'faith', there will always be doubt - but KNOWING
something is totally different.

Believing something but not really knowing if it is true keeps us in a
low, heavy, depresssed, sometimes happy, sometimes despairing
vibration.

Just what they want. Can you give me idea of some of the main points
david icke was making.

Thanks, mate.

The main point was how so many people have such direct experience of LAD: those who suffer (or are lucky enough to have!) near-death experiences. David posts links to videos of witnesses to the LAD realm. He also sites examples of the research carried out. Most of the early researchers were doctors because it was hospitals where the phenomeon was first observed. It only began seriously in the late 20th Century, because it began a unique period in medical science: For the first time ever we had the technology to revive a patient after their heart had stopped. Before about 1930 if your heart stoped in hospital you were immediately declared dead. Nowadays we have defibrilators and cardiac stimulent drugs. If your heart stops there's an even chance it can be restarted in time to save your life. This means that the number of people who have NDE's are much higher today.

The early researchers (whose studies have been usually repeated by skeptics until it can be got wrong on one occasion, then declared disproved!:eek: :mad: ) concluded that you can't just explain it away as illusion. NDE's usually happen during cardiac arrest when the EEG trace (brain electrical signals) is zero. Patients came back with amazing stories of how they could see around themselves, watching the doctors at work on their own bodies! They could even perceive things in nearby rooms... when brain-dead!? I don't think so. There's definitely something in it.

As for religion: You're correct. The need in religion for "faith faith faith" and nothing else means that people are discouraged from conducting their own research, seeing mediums etc. The LAD realm is a mystery that must remain undiscussed on this side of the grave. No wonder so many people suffer Crises of Faith! And what do they do to solve it?: They go and see a priest who helps them put the blinkers back on! The fear of damnation for sin is a crucial way that we're brainwashed, especially in the Catholic faith, which includes for the majority of Christians. To get to Heaven you have to be a good Christian which means being forgiven for your sins. The only way to get forgiveness is the Sacrement of Absolution from the priest. So you can see how powerful the priesthood has become since Nicea!

[seanx]

No wonder so many people suffer Crises of Faith! And what do they do to solve it?: They go and see a priest who helps them put the blinkers back on! The fear of damnation for sin is a crucial way that we're brainwashed, especially in the Catholic faith, which includes for the majority of Christians. To get to Heaven you have to be a good Christian which means being forgiven for your sins. The only way to get forgiveness is the Sacrement of Absolution from the priest. So you can see how powerful the priesthood has become since Nicea!

Absolutely.

And of course it was the real motivation behind the Inquistion
but more especially the murder, it is estimated of over
100,000 women (witches???).

The idea was to destroy all direct knowledge and
communications between the dimensions.

Even today, if you talk to 'unconscious' catholics - they will
tell you that mediumship etc. is bad, wrong 'evil' - the work of
the devil.

So you have to hand it to the church - when they do a job -
they do it well!!

And here we are, centuries later - and the majority of Catholics
still believe
this.

This is a prison planet in every sense of the word. They don't want us leaving or knowing what's going on in life or death.

At death I believe they have the means to lure us, capture us and wipe out
our memories. Then they send us back to do it all over again with no memories
of what went on before.

I think the things often reported with Near Death Experiences (the light, tunnel, rapture, loved ones, etc) are deceptions and part of their trap.

I wouldn't agree with you fully here. I agree that if we die
'unconsciously' - we will gravitate to dimensions that are
still part of the matrix.

And that most of the 'channeling' from these sources is pure matrix
new age idealogy etc.

But it's not really a questions of what dimension you go to - but understanding that consciousness or awareness is eternal.

That's the knowledge or understanding they want to knock out and
destroy.

[hagbard_celine]

Absolutely.

And of course it was the real motivation behind the Inquistion
but more especially the murder, it is estimated of over
100,000 women (witches???).

The idea was to destroy all direct knowledge and
communications between the dimensions.

Even today, if you talk to 'unconscious' catholics - they will
tell you that mediumship etc. is bad, wrong 'evil' - the work of
the devil.

So you have to hand it to the church - when they do a job -
they do it well!!

And here we are, centuries later - and the majority of Catholics
still believe
this.
.

One thing you won't hear in church (well, one of thousands of things actually!) is that the Council of Nicea which produced the Nicene Creed, the blueprint of all modern Christianity, was far from a civilized discussion. Cheating and lying made up much of the agenda and many of the delegates were murdered. After the Creed was decided upon the church began a war of extermination against all those who refused to adopt it. This war lasted almost a thousand years, ending in the terrible Aligensian Crucade of the 13th Century which wiped out the last "heretics" in the south of France.

[fantana]

I believe the two subjects are closely related, i.e., reps and afterlife.

This is a prison planet in every sense of the word. They don't want us leaving
or knowing what's going on in life or death.

At death I believe they have the means to lure us, capture us and wipe out
our memories. Then they send us back to do it all over again with no memories
of what went on before.

I think the things often reported with Near Death Experiences (the light, tunnel,
rapture, loved ones, etc) are deceptions and part of their trap.


graflok


Funny you should say this.

Apparently the ETs have instruments able to capture "our souls" and so you should stay away from the light, have you read more on this??

[tinmenace]

Nothing leapt out of the page. I suppose they're all a bit different. What, in David's style, sounded different to you?

Dunno, the topic and subject matter is in line, but just the usual flair was missing.

Not a biggie, prolly nothing....

[cheeb]

Its a very big question; life after death.

In my rational mind i dont beleive

From anecdotal evidence of having worked in a hospital and with old people there is this nagging doubt,

maybe not so much about life after death but more about ,life just before death

There is often this strange thing that sometimes happens just before people die
The visitors

Nurses will often find patients speaking to people (not there) and making hand gestures

If the patient is coherant enough they will often tell you they were speaking to long lost relatives or loved ones,they are often very calm about it

When my Grandad (god rest his soul) died ,very recently
my nan saw a shadow come down the stairs and go into his room,just before he passed

Anecdotal i know ,but loads of people have told me about their families experiences with the visitors

Im not into this stuff but ive heard a lot about it and thought ide share it.

[limelady]

I believe the two subjects are closely related, i.e., reps and afterlife.

This is a prison planet in every sense of the word. They don't want us leaving
or knowing what's going on in life or death.

At death I believe they have the means to lure us, capture us and wipe out
our memories. Then they send us back to do it all over again with no memories
of what went on before.

I think the things often reported with Near Death Experiences (the light, tunnel,
rapture, loved ones, etc) are deceptions and part of their trap.


graflok


I concur wholeheartedly!

For all of my adult life I have believed what people experience as 'near death experience' (the peace, love, light, and mung beans they relate upon revival)was the truth. I have whole books on this topic myself, and I read and re-read these accounts because to do so gave me the 'warm fuzzies'. Not for one moment have I ever entertained the idea these experiences are merely electrical impulses in the brain, but rather a true experience of unfettered consciousness free of the matrix constraints.

Its NOT merely electrical impulaes in the brain, but its NOT unfettered consciousness either. I now know it is merely another program designed to trick the human mind into another belief. More deliberate deception that isn't real - something the program WANTS us to believe, once again.

Fantana.....you are closer to the truth than anybody wants to believe.
Just when we felt we may have thwarted the program, we discover its just another trap.

Tin.....this is very likely what your intuition was trying to tell you about David's latest newletter. It gives us the warm fuzzies to believe that at least if all else fails, when we're through battling this place, we have something to go to thats real. I have read EVERTHING David has ever written and have resonated with all of it pretty much, but while reading that newsletter, never have I felt more strongly than on this particular subject we (David included)have it wrong. The reason for this is possibly because its the hardest bit to get our heads round.....that death itself may NOT be an escape from this wetched place.....from the matrix.

We hold dearly to the 'light at the end of the tunnel' because we all need comfort, but I can no longer find mine in 'that' particular place, and its taken every ounce of strength I have in me to wrap my head around this, so I understand why others may not be ready to visit this yet.

What this 'dead end' means to me personally (besides leaving me with a sense of futility which I thought I'd shed ages ago), is the understanding that we will have to find another way out of this place.

Just a few more beliefs (fears) to let go of now, and I reckon we'll grow Neo 'balls' and find the missing "key"........

[hagbard_celine]

Dunno, the topic and subject matter is in line, but just the usual flair was missing.

Not a biggie, prolly nothing....

Maybe you're right. I can sense a subconscious change in how the writing comes across. This could be a good sign; an indication that David was more deeply effected by the information than he usually is. In fact I think that's it because he changes his mood in the same way when he introduces Credo on "The Reptillian Agenda" film.

[lottie]

Although i always read all my Di newsletters- i must admit the whole government stuff is a little over my head- i do try to keep up and take an active interest in that side of things but i absolutely love it when David does newsletters about 'spiritual/awakening' stuff- about death,consciousness,knowingness, stuff about the body,mind and soul!! i loved this weeks stuff and he's done a good few about the mind/body/soul info and i really resonate well with that stuff!! im not all that academic and since i smoke far too much pot- i just cant retain the information in my head about the gov stuff- also its not a subject i really 'get into', its just far too vast and complicated, although i completely appreciate its importance!! :)

[hagbard_celine]

Although i always read all my Di newsletters- i must admit the whole government stuff is a little over my head- i do try to keep up and take an active interest in that side of things but i absolutely love it when David does newsletters about 'spiritual/awakening' stuff- about death,consciousness,knowingness, stuff about the body,mind and soul!! i loved this weeks stuff and he's done a good few about the mind/body/soul info and i really resonate well with that stuff!! im not all that academic and since i smoke far too much pot- i just cant retain the information in my head about the gov stuff- also its not a subject i really 'get into', its just far too vast and complicated, although i completely appreciate its importance!! :)

Really the information about spiritual matters is the most important bit. I take an interst in what he calls "the five-sense conspiracy" too, but I know lots of people who are only interested in "the five-sense conspiracy" and have no interest in spirituality and I think, as a result, they're are at a loss.

At the same time it's necessary to realize what's going on in the world and to apply spiritual knowlege to heal it. I think Gandhi had the right idea. He was deeply theological and philosophical man, but he was driven by an urge to heal the injustices of India and the world at large; not in spite of, but because of his spirituality.

the whole government stuff is a little over my head- i do try to keep up and take an active interest in that side of things

I think that's all you really need to do. So long as you're aware of the global situation then your conscience will guide you into the right situations to learn and evolve and to make practical use of your evolution. Don't worry if you can't get deeply involved in it; those who do get too deeply involved in the conspiracy can become demoralized and lost.

[seanx]

Limelady wrote:

.....that death itself may NOT be an escape from this wetched place.....from the matrix.

I can accept here what you are saying ....but at least it is an
'expansion' of what is possible.

So called 'modern science', or at least the Elite-lead part of it
wants to restrict us and keep us TOTALLY trapped in a 5 sense-reality
only.

To tell us that this is all that exists - and that the idea of other
dimensions is pure fantasy - the product of weak people who can't
accept the consequences of a futile 5-sense reality.

But I accept that as they have 'conditioned' this reality, by implanting
false beliefs about the true nature of this reality - they have
more than likely also set in place in the collective consciousness
of the people who exist in these dimensions similiar structures. i.e we'll
still exist within the martrix.

So the idea that when you die - you will be automatically 'free' and
be in 'paradise' is, I believe also false.

You'll still be in a 'similiar reality' - the only difference being in the
rate of vibration of your new environment, prone to the same old
ideas and misconceptions.

But at least, it will break us FREE of the Elite who want us
to believe that we are mere chemical machines - 'accidents', EXISTING
only in THIS 5- sense reality - and that NOTHING exists EXCEPT this unchanging physical reality.

All with the underlying message: Give up, you sados - it's all pointless.

So that why I think it's important as hagbard_celine points out that
this 'secret' is revealed.

Also great honest comments from cheeb and his observations from
the hospital. It's very important that we look at this objectively - and
not just believe it because we want to.

[tejas]

I concur wholeheartedly!

For all of my adult life I have believed what people experience as 'near death experience' (the peace, love, light, and mung beans they relate upon revival)was the truth. I have whole books on this topic myself, and I read and re-read these accounts because to do so gave me the 'warm fuzzies'. Not for one moment have I ever entertained the idea these experiences are merely electrical impulses in the brain, but rather a true experience of unfettered consciousness free of the matrix constraints.

Its NOT merely electrical impulaes in the brain, but its NOT unfettered consciousness either. I now know it is merely another program designed to trick the human mind into another belief. More deliberate deception that isn't real - something the program WANTS us to believe, once again.

Fantana.....you are closer to the truth than anybody wants to believe.
Just when we felt we may have thwarted the program, we discover its just another trap.

Tin.....this is very likely what your intuition was trying to tell you about David's latest newletter. It gives us the warm fuzzies to believe that at least if all else fails, when we're through battling this place, we have something to go to thats real. I have read EVERTHING David has ever written and have resonated with all of it pretty much, but while reading that newsletter, never have I felt more strongly than on this particular subject we (David included)have it wrong. The reason for this is possibly because its the hardest bit to get our heads round.....that death itself may NOT be an escape from this wetched place.....from the matrix.

We hold dearly to the 'light at the end of the tunnel' because we all need comfort, but I can no longer find mine in 'that' particular place, and its taken every ounce of strength I have in me to wrap my head around this, so I understand why others may not be ready to visit this yet.

What this 'dead end' means to me personally (besides leaving me with a sense of futility which I thought I'd shed ages ago), is the understanding that we will have to find another way out of this place.

Just a few more beliefs (fears) to let go of now, and I reckon we'll grow Neo 'balls' and find the missing "key"........

Is this reality a 'prison' or is it 'divine art?'
Depending on what you believe to be true - your actions will move accordingly.

My head hurts :(

[lightbeing]

Although i always read all my Di newsletters- i must admit the whole government stuff is a little over my head- i do try to keep up and take an active interest in that side of things but i absolutely love it when David does newsletters about 'spiritual/awakening' stuff- about death,consciousness,knowingness, stuff about the body,mind and soul!! i loved this weeks stuff and he's done a good few about the mind/body/soul info and i really resonate well with that stuff!! im not all that academic and since i smoke far too much pot- i just cant retain the information in my head about the gov stuff- also its not a subject i really 'get into', its just far too vast and complicated, although i completely appreciate its importance!! :)


Hi lottie,

I'm with you on this one, I love it when David talks about the spiritual/awakening stuff, it's what it's all about, the end game...................:)

The latest newsletter is one of Davids most important ones, the biggest con of them all, Death doesn't exist! I wish that word could be taken out of the dictionary.............!:)

[spiritualone]

I am currently reading some great books on this topic:

Journey of Souls - Case Studies of Life between Lives &
Destiny of Souls - New Case Studies of Life between Lives (currently reading this one)

They have some mind blowing insights on peoples recollection of the spirit world through past life regression theropy. Much of what is presented is in line with what David Icke and others have said.

[i_am]

I don’t believe death is escaping the matrix. I believe that if we have not raised our level of consciousness and re-membered whilst we live, then we MAY choose to come back and do it all again. Each time we return we re-member a little more. I believe it is our goal to re-member whilst living within the matrix, thus releasing ourselves from it.

What happens if we do not choose to come back to this shit fight again? I don’t know! I don’t remember :p but I obviously have chosen to come back…. now… at this time.

I have not had a NDE ie seeing tunnels of light etc but I have had an OBE. I didn’t even realise that was what it was until much later. I had a very bad car accident and am unable to recall much of anything from seconds before until several weeks later. However, one of the memories that did stay was seeing the ambulance people getting me out of the car. It wasn’t until much later that I realised that I had not been looking from where I was lying but was watching from above, seeing my body from outside.

I was astounded when doctors, nurses paramedics told me later that they didn’t think I was going to make it. It had never once occurred to me that I would die. I was also amazed at how positive I felt, that this was for a reason, and only once had a brief, (why me?) moment. Was it a wake up call? I believe so. I have always ‘known’ stuff but like most people got caught up in the illusion of what people call the ‘real world’. That was 15 years ago and I have been on one helluva journey since :D

hmmm! Don't often talk about this stuff. I must feel comfortable with you guys
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[limelady]

I_am
I don’t believe death is escaping the matrix. I believe that if we have not raised our level of consciousness and re-membered whilst we live, then we MAY choose to come back and do it all again. Each time we return we re-member a little more. I believe it is our goal to re-member whilst living within the matrix, thus releasing ourselves from it.

I think you've hit the nail on the head!

I too feel we must REMEMBER who we are this side of existence, as 'something' on the other side of the veil prevents further remembering. I see it as more of a 'holding pen' till we get tossed back in here for another round in the spin cycle.

There is no death, but there is no freedom either unless we can take control of our own consiousness, so to me the the key to getting free from the matrix has got to be found here while embodied in 3D.

[seanx]

There is no death, but there is no freedom either unless we can take control of our own consiousness, so to me the the key to getting free from the matrix has got to be found here while embodied in 3D.

I think that is absolutely correct.

If we die, still vibrating with the beliefs and worldview of the matrix -
we will find ourselves still in a matrrix environment when we die, only
of a different and faster vibration.

It is as david icke says in Tales of the Time Loop - we'll find ourselves
going around and around - life after life - until we wake up.

The thing is, though there is nothing wrong with the matrix per se.

It is an artificial creation.

A reality game that we have set up to experience different states
of mind - it should be a great, joyous experiment - but we have
forgotten. And that is the terrible hell.

Not the actual matrix.

If we wake up, that can be changed instantly from each individual's perspective.

It will still exist for other people until they wake up - but not for you.

As R. D Lange says:

'We forget something; then we forget we have forgotten' and there
is the problem.

[hagbard_celine]

I am currently reading some great books on this topic:

Journey of Souls - Case Studies of Life between Lives &
Destiny of Souls - New Case Studies of Life between Lives (currently reading this one)

They have some mind blowing insights on peoples recollection of the spirit world through past life regression theropy. Much of what is presented is in line with what David Icke and others have said.

AH! They are fantastic! Newton wrote the sequel because of popular demand from his fans. Another similar, but slightly more scarey writer is Delores Cannon.

The best thing about Cannon and Newton is that they don't use a medium to channel, they turn ordinary people into mediums through hypnosis! This means that anyone and everynoe has this latent ability. anyone and everyone can access fascinating past lives if they only find out how.