HIV-AIDS Fact or Fraud

[amadeus]

Hi,

this may be an old one around here(couldn't find any posts though), but the message is so important that I post this anyway:

How AIDS is not caused by HIV and how taking AZT will kill you:

Google video "HIV-AIDS, Fact or Fraud" here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5064591712431946916

Please forward the link to everyone.

[lucifershammer]

i have read quite a bit on this topic.. and i have actually spent whole days on my weekend reading through mind numbing CDC documents, checking sources from books i have read.

i dont have time right now to watch that video you posted. but i am thoroughly convinced that HIV does not cause AIDS. and that AZT is actually contributing to the illness. (though not so much now as in the early days)

the amount of HIV propaganda that is forced down the publics throat is amazing.

i suggest reading peter duesbergs 'inventing the aids virus' and Bruce Nussbaum's 'good intentions'.

Duesberg give a very good history of virology and the failed war on cancer and how it set the stage for the AIDS/HIV fiasco.

Nussbaum describes the events surrounding the AZT trials and the amazing amount of conflict of interest that ran rampant in every aspect of the AZT story.

[lumukanda]

in south africa we've had a lot of drama regarding this, our health minister and our president have both gone on record saying that HIV does not cause AIDS and that anti-retrovirals are killers, this of course has made us the 'laughing stock' of the world, with the Treatment Action Campaign demanding immediate ARV's for all the people in south africa.
see this article (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3651) about the TAC.

here's an except from an interesting article :
But what was proving far worse then the absurdity of the HIV hypothesis itself, was the industry of death it was spawning. The same year Peter Duesberg exposed HIV as a fraud (1987), Burroughs-Wellcome, (now Glaxo-Smith-Cline) finagled an old cancer chemotherapy called AZT through the FDA for approval to treat AIDS patients. This highly toxic nucleoside analogue, designed to destroy the DNA of white blood cells, was given to human patients for the first time (after it caused cancer and poisoned the rats they fed it to in studies).One could only wonder why this known carcinogenic toxin was being administered to patients who desperately needed the very cells it was designed to kill. Unless of course, the drug was needed to actually cause AIDS because HIV did not. Dr. Duesberg pointed out that even the manufacturer’s warnings claimed AZT could cause AIDS by prescription!
http://notaids.com/en/node/25

[hagbard_celine]

AZT: the perfect product for Big Pharmo! You can prescribe it to any healthy person and it makes them sick so you can prescribe even more drugs!:mad:

AZT is not new. It was originally used as chemotherapy to treat cancer sufferers. But it was withdrawn because it is so toxic that it killed the patients before the cancer had a chance!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

It's only when you get to the end of this film that you realize how badly we've been fucked! How deep the "quagmire" that they talk about is. And this film was made 11 years ago! I used to have some vague notion in my head that compared AIDS to the Thalidomide disaster, but no! This is far, far worse! Ther's no point going down the road of legal suits and compensation. This is way beyond that! If this came out it would be Earthshattering! Every political and social structure would fall.

It's the house of cards David talks about. Each new lie builds the house bigger. But take one card away and the whole thing comes down. And the bigger it is the worse it will be when it falls. The truth about AIDS could not come out without other cover-ups coming out too. Nobody would ever trust a govt again. That's why it won't be revealed on its own. It will be revealed when, and during, the house of cards falls.

I used to think that the transformation of human consciousness would be a gradual, tranquil develpment, but I've changed my mind. As I said, if you want to know how it will happen, build the biggest house of cards in the world then pull a single card out...

[LasseMaja]

Yes, I've seen this documentary and it seems very credible. It made me sick thinking of all scared people popping AZT until they fade away.

Anyway, here is a great site; http://www.rethinkingaids.com/
Maybe I should infor my colleauges (MD's) about this?

[chocousbro77]

OMG....A FALSE PLAGUE.....this does not make any damn sense.....all these people died w/o the real knowledge.....I tell you da illumanati is really at its work....AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2tuff]

Yes you should also visit HERE (http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?act=SF&s=&f=8) for more on this subject matter and the TRUTH behind AIDS which isn't hiv.

Theres also:

Deconstructing the myth of AIDS
The Other Side of AIDS

You can watch

[chattanova]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs

[investigations]

It's only when you get to the end of this film that you realize how badly we've been fucked! How deep the "quagmire" that they talk about is. And this film was made 11 years ago! I used to have some vague notion in my head that compared AIDS to the Thalidomide disaster, but no! This is far, far worse! Ther's no point going down the road of legal suits and compensation. This is way beyond that! If this came out it would be Earthshattering! Every political and social structure would fall.

It's the house of cards David talks about. Each new lie builds the house bigger. But take one card away and the whole thing comes down. And the bigger it is the worse it will be when it falls. The truth about AIDS could not come out without other cover-ups coming out too. Nobody would ever trust a govt again. That's why it won't be revealed on its own. It will be revealed when, and during, the house of cards falls.

I used to think that the transformation of human consciousness would be a gradual, tranquil develpment, but I've changed my mind. As I said, if you want to know how it will happen, build the biggest house of cards in the world then pull a single card out...

I couldn't agree more!
The builders don't want us to breed free thinking people .Free people would destroy the edifice of falsehoods and show the ruling "komodos "up for what they are.
I am living proof that AIDS has nothing to do with sex as i have taken part in "drive by" screwings with hundreds of men and women over the years and not once used protection.

I have nothing wrong with me. I have been into rectal parties in London and orgies galore in Bristol.I never even caught a cold.
My mother's partner is a christian and he thinks screwing around is wrong and is not respecting the others integrity-rubbish from "the others.Although i wouldn't say that to his face.I'll nail him some other way.

[hagbard_celine]

I couldn't agree more!
The builders don't want us to breed free thinking people .Free people would destroy the edifice of falsehoods and show the ruling "komodos "up for what they are.
I am living proof that AIDS has nothing to do with sex as i have taken part in "drive by" screwings with hundreds of men and women over the years and not once used protection.

I have nothing wrong with me. I have been into rectal parties in London and orgies galore in Bristol.I never even caught a cold.


Very true. There are also virgins who've caught HIV. A nurse at a medical mission in Africa got it, and died after a course of AZT; this was despite the fact that she was a Franciscan nun and had never had sex. They came up with some daft explanation: that she'd cut her self on a bloodstained instrument in theatre. But how can this be if the virus cannot live in the open air? As Erich von Daniken said: the forest of question marks grows!

[chattanova]

More evidence that 'HIV' was made at Ft. Detrick

http://rense.com/general76/ft.htm

[hagbard_celine]

More evidence that 'HIV' was made at Ft. Detrick

http://rense.com/general76/ft.htm

HIV may be harmless or it may be a secret genocide weapon, but evidentally it can't be both. It could be a genocide weapon that went wrong ie: it can't kill people!

I wonder if any other diseases came out of Fort Detrick or similar places: Ebola? MRSA? SARS? Avian flu?

[pumma]

Hello everyone =)

This are words from Mr.Icke I've found on FTP server...

AIDS: The Great Con Trick
by David Icke

AIDS: The Great Con Trick

HIV does NOT cause Aids. HIV does not cause anything. A staggering statement given the hype and acceptance by the scientific establishment and, through them, the public that the HIV virus is the only cause of Aids. HIV is a weak virus and does not dismantle the immune system. Nor is Aids passed on sexually. There are two main types of virus. Using the airplane analogy, you could call one of these virus strains a "pilot" virus. It can change the nature of a cell and steer it into disease. This usually happens very quickly after the virus takes hold. Then there is the "passenger" virus which lives off the cell, goes along for the ride, but never affects the cell to the extent that it causes disease.

HIV is a passenger virus!

So how on earth did it become the big boogy man virus of the world? The person who announced that HIV caused Aids was an American, Doctor Robert Gallo. He has since been accused of professional misconduct, his test has been exposed as fraudulent, and two of his laboratory executives have been convicted of criminal offenses. Tens of millions of people are tested for HIV antibodies every year and Dr Gallo, who patented his "test", gets a royalty for every one. Luc Montagnier, Gallo's partner in the HIV-causes-Aids theory, has since admitted in 1989: "HIV is not capable of causing the destruction of the immune system which is seen in people with Aids". Nearly 500 scientists across the world agree with him. So does Dr Robert E Wilner, author of the book 'The Deadly Deception. The Proof That Sex And HIV Absolutely Do Not Cause Aids'.

Dr Wilner even injected himself with the HIV virus on a television chat show in Spain to support his claims. Other doctors and authors come to the same conclusions, among them Peter Duesberg PhD and John Yiamouyiannis PhD, in their book, 'Aids: The Good News Is That HIV Doesn't Cause It. The Bad News Is "Recreational Drugs" And Medical Treatments Like AZT Do'. That's a long title, but it sums up the situation. People are dying of Aids because of the treatments used to "treat" Aids! It works like this. Now it is accepted by the establishment and the people that HIV causes Aids, the system has built this myth into its whole diagnosis and "treatment". You go to the doctor and you are told your HIV test was positive(positive only for the HIV antibodies, by the way, they don't actually test for the virus itself). Because of the propaganda, many people already begin to die emotionally and mentally when they are told they are HIV positive. They have been conditioned to believe that death is inevitable.

The fear of death leads them to accept, often demand, the hyped-up "treatments" which are supposed to stop Aids occurring. (They don't.) The most famous is AZT, produced by the Wellcome organisation, owned, wait for it, by the Rockefellers, one of the key manipulating families in the New World Order.

AZT was developed as an anti-cancer drug to be used in chemotherapy, but it was found to be too toxic even for that! AZT's effect in the "treatment" of cancer was to kill cells - simple as that - not just to kill cancer cells , but to kill cells, cancerous and healthy. The question, and this is accepted even by the medical establishment, was: would AZT kill the cancer cells before it had killed so many healthy cells that it killed the body? This is the drug used to "treat" HIV. What is its effect?

It destroys the immune system, so CAUSING Aids. People are dying from the treatment, not the HIV. Aids is simply the breakdown of the immune system, for which there are endless causes, none of them passed on through sex. That's another con which has made a fortune for condom manufacturers and created enormous fear around the expression of our sexuality and the release and expansion of our creative force.

What has happened since the Great Aids Con is that now anyone who dies from a diminished immune system is said to have died of the all encompassing term, Aids. It is even built into the diagnosis. If you are HIV positive and you die of tuberculosis, pneumonia, or 25 other unrelated diseases now connected by the con men to "Aids", you are diagnosed as dying of Aids. If you are not HIV positive and you die of one of those diseases you are diagnosed as dying of that disease, not Aids. This manipulates the figures every day to indicate that only HIV positives die of Aids.

This is a lie.

Many people who die from Aids are not HIV positive and the reason that the figures for Aids deaths have not soared as predicted is that the overwhelming majority of people diagnosed HIV positive have never developed Aids. Why?

Because HIV has nothing whatsoever to do with Aids.

Anything that breaks down the immune system causes Aids and that includes so-called recreational drugs. The vast majority of Aids deaths in the United States involve homosexuals and this perpetuates the myth that it has something to do with sex. But homosexuals in the US are among the biggest users of drugs which genuine doctors have linked to Aids. Prostitutes who take drugs often get Aids, prostitutes who do not take drugs invariably do not get Aids. The rise in the Aids figures in the United States corresponds perfectly with the increase in the use of drugs - most of which are made available to people on the streets by elements within the US Government, including Bill Clinton and George Bush. In Africa, the breakdown of the immune system, now known as Aids, is caused by ill health - lack of good food, clean water and the general effects of poverty. Haemophiliacs do not die from HIV-infected blood, they die, as they did before the Aids scam, from a quirk in their own immune system. Their immune system locks into foreign proteins in the infused blood and on rare occasions it can become confused during this process and attack itself. Their immune system, in effect, commits suicide. HIV is irrelevant to that. Yet how many people today who have been diagnosed HIV positive are having their lives blighted by the fear that the symptoms of Aids will start any moment?

AZT is the killer. There is not a single case of AZT reversing the symptoms of Aids. How can it? It's causing them, for goodness sake. The Aids industry is now worth billions of pounds a year and makes an unimaginable fortune for the drug industry controlled by the Rockefellers and the rest of the Global Elite.
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Have Phun

[lucifershammer]

i have become fascinated with the HIV/AIDS lie recently. and i've spent quite a bit of money on newspaper archive sites checking up on sources.

I dont suppose anyone on these boards are from NYC or San Fransisco and is at the NYC Or SF Public Libraries frequently?

I am trying to get ahold of some artcles from a gay rights newsletter from New York back in the 80's and 90's, called "New York Native". my local library contacted a bunch of libraries and most of them couldnt, or wouldnt send them.. and the few that would, would charge me 12-20$ per article.. I have even contacted the editor personally to no avail.

[amerigirl]

Sorry to bring this back up, but I was just searching for things like this..

Anyways my question is, if the drug used to treat HIV causes an AIDS-like slow immune system shutdown (death), which btw is completely plausible, than why are there so many dying of "Aids" in Africa? In America we hear all the time from the MSM that they don't have any medicine to treat them and how we should donate to help them out. So what are they dying of?
(Yes, I'm aware that I might sound ignorant, I'm new to all this stuff)
Thanks!

[2tuff]

Do your homework properly and you will find your answers. If you follow the link to my website area dedicated on this subject then you'll understand. Too many people focus on AZT all the time. AZT is just a part of the problem. Africa is a whole other ball game. It is NOT a Virus. David Icke is wrong as hiv does NOT even exist. It isn't rocket science.

The Fraud of hiv and AIDS:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?act=SF&s=&f=8

[amerigirl]

Thank you :o

[davidm]

HIV ist mighty bullshit, and it's the same with ALL viruses!
Not a single one has been isolated or been shown to cause any kind of diseases.
If they exist at all, they are useful microbes on the ektoderm, responsible for healing of the skin and other parts of the ektoderm.
Whenever you hear about viruses, and it's not related to computers, it's LIES.
And whenever you hear about infections or contagious diseases its misinformation as well. It's all based on swindle-science that has been proven wrong so many times, but the public shall not know, because it keeps the pharma mafia living.

So we shouldn't concentrate on Aids, it's just the tip of the iceberg....and aids itself doesn't really exist either, when you look at the definition...it being 29 different symptoms that have nothing to do with an immune deficiency, only with psychological problems and poison.

Yesterday I got upset to see that some new Will Smith movie that's coming out is featuring a world wide infection pandemic or something.......... -> BullS.
Biological nonesense!

[picha]

Here is a very good article by Dr Rebecca Culshaw, a mathematical biologist about HIV:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/culshaw1.html

There is a research group in perth university who also say HIV has never been proven to exist.

[picha]

Can anyone point me to any proof that ANY virus exists by the way?

[davidm]

Nobody can, because none exist.
I called the institute thats responsible for it in Germany and asked for a virus proof. If anyone has it, then it's them. They just distracted and got rid of me and pointed to their website...but there is nothing.
Big Hoax!

[crazed]

Very interesting. So what you guys are saying that viruses do not exist? Assuming this is true, then everytime we've been "infected" with a "virus" we've fucked ourselves psychologically.

I'm gonna have to look into this.

P.S. this isn't too surprising, the more I read on this forum, the more I realize how much we're being fucked, no, raped, by our governments/the people who have held power all these years.

[hagbard_celine]

Sorry to bring this back up, but I was just searching for things like this..

Anyways my question is, if the drug used to treat HIV causes an AIDS-like slow immune system shutdown (death), which btw is completely plausible, than why are there so many dying of "Aids" in Africa? In America we hear all the time from the MSM that they don't have any medicine to treat them and how we should donate to help them out. So what are they dying of?
(Yes, I'm aware that I might sound ignorant, I'm new to all this stuff)
Thanks!

The people in Africa "dying of AIDS" are actually dying of the same things anyone die of when they've got no clean drinking water, food or shelter. They are diagnosed with AIDS without a HIV test in most cases. the doctor just observes certain symptoms and says "It's AIDS"; things like chest infections, skin problems, hair loss. The thing is that malnutrician and parasite infestation and other diseases of poverty can also cause those symtoms! But the patient is simply tolod "It's AIDS" and is sent home with a prescription for an AIDS patient. If...when they eventually die of hunger or water-bourne infections the doctor goes "Oh dear, we just lost another poor man to AIDS"!:mad::rolleyes:

The rate of suposed-HIV infection in Africa is anything from 20 to 60%! Those figures are astronomical when you consider that in the West it's a mere 20% of a percent! This vast discrepancy is written off as the fact that you can't get condoms very easily in Africa! In some villages in Natal, the worst supposed-AIDS infected place in the world, there are more people disgnosed with AIDS than those without it!

[hagbard_celine]

Also Credo Mutwa said in an article in the medical resources of the old David Icke.com main site that Africans never practice anal penetration, not even gay men. Yet this is what is blamed for a HIV infection rate a hundred times the global average!

[picha]

Sorry to bring this back up, but I was just searching for things like this..

Anyways my question is, if the drug used to treat HIV causes an AIDS-like slow immune system shutdown (death), which btw is completely plausible, than why are there so many dying of "Aids" in Africa? In America we hear all the time from the MSM that they don't have any medicine to treat them and how we should donate to help them out. So what are they dying of?
(Yes, I'm aware that I might sound ignorant, I'm new to all this stuff)
Thanks!

Theyre basically just dying of the same old poverty diseases theyve always died of amerigirl.

Heres a pic of the label on an AZT bottle with the poison symbol on it:

http://www.duesberg.com/images/azt.gif

[sensimillia]

Also Credo Mutwa said in an article in the medical resources of the old David Icke.com main site that Africans never practice anal penetration, not even gay men.

lol, now thats funny. so what do gay africans do then, cuddle? :D

[davidm]

When you are poor you have several typical conflicts you suffer from.
If you're afraid of starving, your small intestine produces cells (you know the thin kids with the fat bellies, that's this). When you're afraid of dying, you grow cells in the lungs. When you are generally in an existence conflict, your liver starts growing, and some other typical conflicts. Then when you solve the problem for some time, you get the healing symptoms, and the no-clue-mediciner will think these are problems and maybe define them AIDS.

I think africans live MUCH more natural/biologically, so they have a much smaller chance of being gay.
But whatever they do, not a single so called diseases in the world can jump from one person to another one. It never happened and it will never happen. It's the mind creating it and manifesting it in the organ....and often the origin is that we are afraid of getting an infection. Once you know it's bullshit, you stop getting these things. Now I can be amongst 100 people with a flu, and I'm the only one not getting it, because I stopped believing that rubbish :P
But the lie keeps whole industries alive, innit...

[hagbard_celine]

lol, now thats funny. so what do gay africans do then, cuddle? :D


I'm not sure. It does make you wonder!

[delamo1999]

I think africans live MUCH more natural/biologically, so they have a much smaller chance of being gay.
...

I am not sure I am following you. Not to get off topic but I don't see how being natural affects ones sexual orientation.

:confused:

[pri01]

If you think about it logically it makes no sense at all. Take the Bird flu threat that we have been led to believe over the past year or so. It's so virulent that scientists can predict a World wide pandemic from a strain that they are not sure it will be. Warning Warning Warning. We have been told that thousands will die and that there is not enough vaccines to cope with the numbers it will affect. Number 1. if it is so lethal, and it can mutate to present in any viral form, why are we not protected? For example face masks, mass vaccinations etc. They claim that they will have a vaccine ready once they know the strain. Where and when will the clinical trials be carried out? My guess is that when this hits the fan, the most vulnerable groups of society will be selected for vaccination first. The diabetics, heart and kidney disease patients, elderly and mental health patients in care homes plus their carers, to name just a few. After all, these people will probably never work and therefore won't pay tax. Most people I know who are on state benefits suffer with depression and will probably qualify too.
If this virus is as deadly as they say it is then shouldn't all of the most important people in our country be either fleeing now. If I was convinced a deadly airbourne virus was on its way, I'd leave the Country with all of my family if I was in a position of power. I don't believe virus' exist at all and until someone can show me one my thoughts will remain the same.

[hagbard_celine]

If you think about it logically it makes no sense at all. Take the Bird flu threat that we have been led to believe over the past year or so. It's so virulent that scientists can predict a World wide pandemic from a strain that they are not sure it will be. Warning Warning Warning. We have been told that thousands will die and that there is not enough vaccines to cope with the numbers it will affect. Number 1. if it is so lethal, and it can mutate to present in any viral form, why are we not protected? For example face masks, mass vaccinations etc. They claim that they will have a vaccine ready once they know the strain. Where and when will the clinical trials be carried out? My guess is that when this hits the fan, the most vulnerable groups of society will be selected for vaccination first. The diabetics, heart and kidney disease patients, elderly and mental health patients in care homes plus their carers, to name just a few. After all, these people will probably never work and therefore won't pay tax. Most people I know who are on state benefits suffer with depression and will probably qualify too.
If this virus is as deadly as they say it is then shouldn't all of the most important people in our country be either fleeing now. If I was convinced a deadly airbourne virus was on its way, I'd leave the Country with all of my family if I was in a position of power. I don't believe virus' exist at all and until someone can show me one my thoughts will remain the same.

It either doesn't exist, or does exist, but not in the way we've been led to believe. In other words, if an outbreak does occur it's more likely to come from Porton Down or Fort Detrick than a chicken farm in China!;)

[hagbard_celine]

carried out? My guess is that when this hits the fan, the most vulnerable groups of society will be selected for vaccination first. The diabetics, heart and kidney disease patients, elderly and mental health patients in care homes plus their carers, to name just a few. After all, these people will probably never work and therefore won't pay tax. Most people I know who are on state benefits suffer with depression and will probably qualify too.
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God yes! It's all part of the plan to elinminte "useless eaters"!:mad:

[pri01]

God yes! It's all part of the plan to elinminte "useless eaters"!:mad:

I thought about that too, from stats that I've seen the population doubles every 50 years approximately.

[hagbard_celine]

I thought about that too, from stats that I've seen the population doubles every 50 years approximately.

And sadly the myth that the population is too much for the Earth to support is being used to recruit people to the project, even environmentalists and humanists!

[davidm]

I am not sure I am following you. Not to get off topic but I don't see how being natural affects ones sexual orientation.

:confused:

Ok, I skipped several steps there I guess.
When you look at Dr. Hamers new Medicine, you will see that he determined how you become gay. It's certain biological/psychological conflicts, that are less likely to happen in nature.

[picha]

Even the doctors/researchers who supposedly believe that HIV causes AIDS admit that it isnt known how HIV causes AIDS. It was supposed to do it by infecting your T cells and deystroying them when it bursts out of them.
It has since been found that HIV only infects 1 in 1000 T cells (if it exists at all) which isnt sufficient to cause AIDS by that method.

So, if you dont know HOW HIV causes AIDS, then how can you then go on to say that HIV is the cause of AIDS?

[davidm]

I had a discussion with biology and medicine students about this. In the end they thought I was stupid and nobody changed an opinion. They showed me studies which were filled with the word "nearly". Whatever study they found it was "nearly all with HIV have this and that" blah blah. Nearly is the keyword for those who know whats going on. When its not 100%, it's not related...end of story.

[revolutionary_jam]

get the book:
What If Everything You Thought You Knew About AIDS Was Wrong?: The Book That Will Change Your View of HIV and AIDS...and Possibly Change Your Life by Christine Maggiore

I own a copy and highly recommend it

[2tuff]

The ultimate book on this topic is:

AIDS INC
By Jon Rappoport

This guy is a most excellent investigative journalist and that book is amazing. Check out all his information on his site about this MYTH!

[revolutionary_jam]

thanks for the recommendation i'll check it out

[biblegirl]

The people in Africa "dying of AIDS" are actually dying of the same things anyone die of when they've got no clean drinking water, food or shelter. They are diagnosed with AIDS without a HIV test in most cases. the doctor just observes certain symptoms and says "It's AIDS"; things like chest infections, skin problems, hair loss. The thing is that malnutrician and parasite infestation and other diseases of poverty can also cause those symtoms! But the patient is simply tolod "It's AIDS" and is sent home with a prescription for an AIDS patient. If...when they eventually die of hunger or water-bourne infections the doctor goes "Oh dear, we just lost another poor man to AIDS"!:mad::rolleyes:

The rate of suposed-HIV infection in Africa is anything from 20 to 60%! Those figures are astronomical when you consider that in the West it's a mere 20% of a percent! This vast discrepancy is written off as the fact that you can't get condoms very easily in Africa! In some villages in Natal, the worst supposed-AIDS infected place in the world, there are more people disgnosed with AIDS than those without it!

Just wanted to add that while in kenya i saw signs and booths for "HIV testing/vaccines" absolutely everywhere :mad:...I followed one AIDS project that took place there, where the african women are urged and convinced to be tested for HIV (they use the schools and the churches for this brainwashing), and when they finally go to get tested, the HIV diagnostic rate is 80%!...most of the women are shamed by the diagnosis and don't feel that they can go back to their families or friends, so they stay around the clinic where they are given drugs and food...this whole business reeks of genocide/mass experimentation to me and is destroying people's lives and families, i have wondered what sort of drugs these women are being given :confused: then when they die, of course the official explanation is "AIDS"...

[wakeupworld]

OMG....A FALSE PLAGUE.....this does not make any damn sense.....all these people died w/o the real knowledge.....I tell you da illumanati is really at its work....AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don`t you care about the rest of the world?

[14april2000]

No one copes with hiv as there is NO hiv. One needs to study all the information presented on my sites and the videos available to watch on this subject. They should make sure all poisonous drug treatments killing their DNA are stopped. They must adhere to a strict Dr John Ray Christopher incurables or Max & Charlotte Gerson`s program. If they use their heads when they research the problem then they should do well. The best book available on the subject is the 'AIDS Inc' by Jon Rappoport which was downloadable here at one time at least. -Craig Oxley



The Fraud of HIV and AIDS

HIV doesn't cause AIDS and in some cases it could be argued that HIV doesn't even exist. The real causes of AIDS may shock people. The tests are fraudulent fake science also. Craig Oxley

The Unhived Mind until 11 Sept 2008
LINK (http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showforum=8)

The Unhived Mind II created 11 Sept 2008
LINK (http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showforum=11)


AIDS Inc. by Jon Rappoport

The web of deception and outright criminality as the man-made biological weapons shatters the human population... The medical community capitalizes on every moment of despair through bombarment of the sick patient w/ pharmaceuticals and disinformation that only help to kill you.

LINK (http://www.scribd.com/doc/3329947/-AIDS-Inc-Scandal-of-the-Century-John-Rappaport)


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AIDS: Lee Evans on the HIV tests

Olympic Gold Medal winner Lee Evans discusses the problems with the
HIV tests that are incorrectly diagnosing people as HIV-Positive.

LINK (http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21164) or LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi7wo2KTkaQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded)

Lee Evans Speaks Out about the HIV Tests - YouTube

[hagbard_celine]

AIDS debate from 1994:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8226667729907633541&ei=MKhkSpuaHM3q-AbunoAg&q=aids+debate

This is very interesting. 15 years after this was filmed the HIV myth has not died.:( How many more will big Pharma get away with killing before the truth comes out?

[revolutionary_jam]

I unnnoooo what to think one group of people tell me there is a conspiracy that HIV was artificially created in a lab to kill black people and gays and another gorup tell me there is a conspiracy and there is no HIV and another group say it came from Africans fucking a monkey wtf

[davidm]

Very bad fairytales about viruses being created in laboratories.
They can't even find "natural" ones, none has been isolated.

[glacidtek]

I know what everyones saying here... an i fully believe whats going on is not as we are lead to believe....

you may react diffrently though if a loved one has been diagnosed?
and is unable to break out of the MSM propoganda....

where would that leave you?

[glacidtek]

does anyone have an opinion on my above post?

would be appreciated.
x

[glacidtek]

it seems everyone has an opinion, research and evidence....

....except when they are asked to put some human perspective on it.


- What would your advice be to someoen diagnosed as HIV+ and unable to break out of conditioned thinking?

[revolutionary_jam]

how can you advise someone whose not willing to be advised?

[glacidtek]

yeah, thats my point.....

thanks for your input.

[hagbard_celine]

I unnnoooo what to think one group of people tell me there is a conspiracy that HIV was artificially created in a lab to kill black people and gays and another gorup tell me there is a conspiracy and there is no HIV and another group say it came from Africans fucking a monkey wtf

Yes, that's one area where I think I differ from Len Horowitz.:cool:

[hagbard_celine]

I know what everyones saying here... an i fully believe whats going on is not as we are lead to believe....

you may react diffrently though if a loved one has been diagnosed?
and is unable to break out of the MSM propoganda....

where would that leave you?

What would your advice be to someoen diagnosed as HIV+ and unable to break out of conditioned thinking?



Unfortunately if that person is an adult there's nothing we can do:(. We can advise them, but not force them. Also I wouldn't put too much pressure on them because the last thing they need when they're under the shock of being given this diagnosis is that the person they need to emotionally support them starts harranging them. I would just inform them and if at the end of the day they decided to use conventional treatment I'd say: "OK. I'm there to look after you no matter what.":)

If it was my child then I'd refuse to allow her to be given conventional treatment. Unfortunately, as has happened in many cases, the social services step in and try to force them by law. Kids have even been taken away from their parents.:(

[glacidtek]

thanks for your advice Hagbard.... how is the Leif Ereccson? ;)

thats exactly how I am approaching it - support, no matter how he choses to deal with it.

it is hard at times....

I have managed to change his diet to 3/4 veggie,
get as much fresh air and exercise, and
health mind - healthy body etc.

I just cry inside though, thinking what the medication is doing.... who knows?

[michael christopher]

Extremely interesting thread.

I am gathering from what I am reading that all psychological conflicts are results of some kind of immune system attack - and vice versa at the same time. They we create these ailments and our psychological problems have physical manifestations based on the nature of our conflicts. This makes a lot of sense to me. I have thought the HIV thing was bullshit for awhile now - more thinking that HIV does not cause AIDS, although I do think HIV exists, as David Icke points out, as a carrier virus. I also know that the drugs prescribed kill people much faster than any virus they may have.

I did not, however, have this perspective about virii or immune-system problems before. I will try to pay more attention to my thoughts and correct them next time I'm in this state of mind and see what happens.

[hagbard_celine]

thanks for your advice Hagbard.... how is the Leif Ereccson? ;)


FUCKUP needs a new antivirus:D

thats exactly how I am approaching it - support, no matter how he choses to deal with it.

it is hard at times....

I have managed to change his diet to 3/4 veggie,
get as much fresh air and exercise, and
health mind - healthy body etc.

I just cry inside though, thinking what the medication is doing.... who knows?


Good luck with that, Glacid. Hope your friend is OK:). They may see things in a more healthy light before it's too late.:cool:

[hagbard_celine]

Extremely interesting thread.

I am gathering from what I am reading that all psychological conflicts are results of some kind of immune system attack - and vice versa at the same time. They we create these ailments and our psychological problems have physical manifestations based on the nature of our conflicts. This makes a lot of sense to me. I have thought the HIV thing was bullshit for awhile now - more thinking that HIV does not cause AIDS, although I do think HIV exists, as David Icke points out, as a carrier virus. I also know that the drugs prescribed kill people much faster than any virus they may have.

I did not, however, have this perspective about virii or immune-system problems before. I will try to pay more attention to my thoughts and correct them next time I'm in this state of mind and see what happens.

There's no doubt that placebo is very powereful. There are cases of people getting drunk on alcohol-free beer when they've been told it was special-brew. If you trust your doctor and respect his views and he tells you you've got a fatal disease it's bound to have some effect. How big; I'm not sure.:confused:

[angelx666]

HIV is a scam, cancer is a scam, and all other viruses are scam, no viruses exist period

p.s there is a site on hiv aidsmythexposed.com and many more

[hagbard_celine]

HIV is a scam, cancer is a scam, and all other viruses are scam, no viruses exist period

p.s there is a site on hiv aidsmythexposed.com and many more

Thanks.:)

[revolutionary_jam]

a lot of info on HIV here
Viruses as bionanotechnology (how a virus works) - YouTube

[revolutionary_jam]

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