The effects of NOT smoking cannabis

[sharpiesix]

I have been a heavy smoker for about 15 - 16 years and love the stuff. I have recently stopped and OMG I never knew the prison I was in. I always defended it, kind of like the kidnapped protecting the kidnapper. I would say it is the most controlling of all the substances. People say it brings out the creative parts and helps with relaxation etc, which it does to an extent.
My problem with it was I couldn't really go anywhere unless I had weed. I couldn't plan a holiday with my wife cos I was worried I wouldn't be able to bring or find weed wherever I go. So in a way it placed boundaries in my life. Some things I could do, some things I couldn't.
I really feel now as if the world has opened up for me, I can see beyond the boundaries that were placed in front of me.

I really feel like I have my mind back, and I'm as creative as I was when stoned.

I would really like to hear your comments. :cool:

[hw spartan]

you are very correct..keep it up,
you will gain more and more while off it.
try something wierd, like learn a new langauge.
slowly slowly you build up.
well done, peace.:cool:

[sharpiesix]

Thank you Spartan, Its like I have been under a spell most of my life.

[steppewar]

Here in the UK smoking cannabis is pretty much tolerated by the authorities. If you get caught with the stuff, the worst that happens is the cops confiscate it and give you a meaningless caution.

They want people to smoke this shit as they know it dumbs them down and keeps them sedated.

This is why this crap is mainly referred to as DOPE.

[nirvana]

When I packed in the weed it was like i had all this new awareness.Really mind expanding being straight.Weed puts you into a box.


Peace:)

[psych641]

I stopped smoking cannabis earlier this year, and if anything i think ive got the opposite problem - its harder for me to find the motivation to get going now - i can spend hours lost in inertia, whereas earlier a *medicinal* dose of weed used to help me snap out of it.

[hw spartan]

Thank you Spartan, Its like I have been under a spell most of my life.
no probs:cool:

I stopped smoking cannabis earlier this year, and if anything i think ive got the opposite problem - its harder for me to find the motivation to get going now - i can spend hours lost in inertia, whereas earlier a *medicinal* dose of weed used to help me snap out of it.
thats because in your heart and mind you havnt let go of it.
may you have the power to do so:)

[hw spartan]

Here in the UK smoking cannabis is pretty much tolerated by the authorities. If you get caught with the stuff, the worst that happens is the cops confiscate it and give you a meaningless caution.

They want people to smoke this shit as they know it dumbs them down and keeps them sedated.

This is why this crap is mainly referred to as DOPE.

Same in Australia.
Canberra wich is the capitol city state, and houses parliment..
..well there its legal.. i think 2 plants per house, not sure.
but elwhere like you said.:D

[freedomnonfighter]

I have been a heavy smoker for about 15 - 16 years and love the stuff. I have recently stopped and OMG I never knew the prison I was in. I always defended it, kind of like the kidnapped protecting the kidnapper. I would say it is the most controlling of all the substances. People say it brings out the creative parts and helps with relaxation etc, which it does to an extent.
My problem with it was I couldn't really go anywhere unless I had weed. I couldn't plan a holiday with my wife cos I was worried I wouldn't be able to bring or find weed wherever I go. So in a way it placed boundaries in my life. Some things I could do, some things I couldn't.
I really feel now as if the world has opened up for me, I can see beyond the boundaries that were placed in front of me.

I really feel like I have my mind back, and I'm as creative as I was when stoned.

I would really like to hear your comments. :cool:

Couldn't agree with you more !

I, too, recently stopped smoking the cannibas (and cigarettes; same time) - eh, about 5 or 6 months ago. Smoked weed every day for four years, and smoked cigarettes an average of a pack a day for four years, actually smoked 2 packs a day for a while...

I came to the same conclusions about it as you did, really - even to the fact that smoking weed became a priority, even on/during family-oriented holidays. Now I find cigarettes absolutely disgusting, and cannabis, in my experience of it now, to be just downright worthless, vain, even stupid.

During the time I smoked, I always defended it as quite a liberating thing (it is/can be, until it's a habit) - something that was done religiously, even as a sacrament .. really all that is is just delusion talking, as addiction (addiction isn't always just chemical/physical, it can also be just as strongly mental/emotional) can form the most convincing of all self-delusions.

I commend you for getting clean, coming 'to your senses', and 'becoming you' again, really :)

Oh, and just to obliterate notorious myths - addiction is such an easy thing to overcome, or go beyond, IF YOU WANT TO. Nicotine, etc.. , whatever the affect may be on the physical body .. you're not going to get over it unless you truly want to. I quit smoking like the blink of an eye, the snap of the fingers.. one of the easiest decisions/things I've ever done in life - but it only happened like that because I really wanted to stop such an unconscious habit.

[the itinerant shrubber]

I have been a heavy smoker for about 15 - 16 years and love the stuff. I have recently stopped and OMG I never knew the prison I was in. I always defended it, kind of like the kidnapped protecting the kidnapper. I would say it is the most controlling of all the substances. People say it brings out the creative parts and helps with relaxation etc, which it does to an extent.
My problem with it was I couldn't really go anywhere unless I had weed. I couldn't plan a holiday with my wife cos I was worried I wouldn't be able to bring or find weed wherever I go. So in a way it placed boundaries in my life. Some things I could do, some things I couldn't.
I really feel now as if the world has opened up for me, I can see beyond the boundaries that were placed in front of me.

I really feel like I have my mind back, and I'm as creative as I was when stoned.

I would really like to hear your comments. :cool:

Dont blame the weed though. You didnt respect it and you abused it and yourself. Dont be like those idiots that live on Big Macs for 12 years and then try and sue Mc Donalds cos they're fat fuckers. LOL
Everything is beneficial in moderation,including nicotine,alcohol and cream cakes.

[sharpiesix]

Couldn't agree with you more !

I, too, recently stopped smoking the cannibas (and cigarettes; same time) - eh, about 5 or 6 months ago. Smoked weed every day for four years, and smoked cigarettes an average of a pack a day for four years, actually smoked 2 packs a day for a while...

I came to the same conclusions about it as you did, really - even to the fact that smoking weed became a priority, even on/during family-oriented holidays. Now I find cigarettes absolutely disgusting, and cannabis, in my experience of it now, to be just downright worthless, vain, even stupid.

During the time I smoked, I always defended it as quite a liberating thing (it is/can be, until it's a habit) - something that was done religiously, even as a sacrament .. really all that is is just delusion talking, as addiction (addiction isn't always just chemical/physical, it can also be just as strongly mental/emotional) can form the most convincing of all self-delusions.

I commend you for getting clean, coming 'to your senses', and 'becoming you' again, really :)

Oh, and just to obliterate notorious myths - addiction is such an easy thing to overcome, or go beyond, IF YOU WANT TO. Nicotine, etc.. , whatever the affect may be on the physical body .. you're not going to get over it unless you truly want to. I quit smoking like the blink of an eye, the snap of the fingers.. one of the easiest decisions/things I've ever done in life - but it only happened like that because I really wanted to stop such an unconscious habit.

Thank you freedomnonfighter.

This is how I feel completely. I tried before but I never succeed because I didn't really want to stop deep down. This time I'm damn serious. Thanks again for your encouragement. :cool:

[limelady]

I'm so very proud of you wonderful people for giving up the prison with no bars you had created for yourselves - you've dealt with your inner 'dope' - well done and congratulations for having the spiritual courage to see past the smoke fug you've been living in. :)

[zen_fox]

I am very sensitive to THC. From just a few hits of pot I become very high, disillusioned and panicky. I go to a spot fear, trapped within my own mind. It's very easy for me not to smoke.

[sharpiesix]

I'm so very proud of you wonderful people for giving up the prison with no bars you had created for yourselves - you've dealt with your inner 'dope' - well done and congratulations for having the spiritual courage to see past the smoke fug you've been living in. :)

Thanks you limelady, I seem to be getting nothing but encouragement :D

You are all infinite points of genius

[i_am]

I rarely contribute to these discussions having never smoked myself and not wishing to come across as sanctimonious.

I do not tell others what they should or should not do. I have however observed numerous friends and family members over the years.

The one thing that is common is the fact that they ALL declare it has no effect on them. I have observed the paranoia, the apathy, the need to know they will have a supply etc. One close family member became very violent when mixed with alcohol, this normally being a placid, loving individual.

Every one who has stopped has said the same thing. It did affect them and they could now see how much.

I believe it was put on this earth for a reason but like with most things, man has abused it.

Good for you guys and welcome back :)

[21_12_2012]

Well done sharpiesix. Keep it up mate. I know how you're feeling !

I smoked it constantly from 1987 to 2006, day and night. I was a full-on
self-admitted "addict".

I tried unsuccessfully to stop in 1992, and i didn't stay off for long, maybe 6
months.

The last time (2006) it was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.
Took me 12 months to feel balanced after i stopped, but i stuck with it
and the 'cravings' totally went away at around 15 months.

Apart from you guys on here. i don't know anyone who has ever stopped
smoking weed, apart from a friend of mine who went to jail for a year, but
he started again the day he came out.

It definately takes you out of a big 'box' when you give it up.
I have no desire to ever take it again, and can quite happily be amongst
people who smoke it, without wanting to smoke it myself.

[thebarfly1]

I still enjoy the odd toke, but only on a very limited basis, concerts, festivals etc, helps me to "feel" the music a bit more. The only time i ever had any bad effects was when i was a youngster, and got really paranoid that i'd be caught by parents, cops etc... But its all good now, i'm just launched into a nice chilled out vibe.
But like everything, once it's done in moderation its all cool.

OP, its good that you gave up though, like anything, if something you're doing is having a negative impact on other people, its always a nice move to change the equation for a better result.

[nirvana]

With the weed it puts you in a comfortable box.I have alot of friends who smoke it.
I have a african friend moses he is a really good musician .He told me if he was not on the weed he would be famous by now.He told me how so many opportunities have been lost because he was on the weed.
One of my friends matty has been smoking it since 1987 everyday.He lives in a bed sit does not see anything wrong with smoking it .As he says it gives you wizdom.
He goes to bed mostly about 5am and sleeps all day. He screwed his apprenticeship up by being too stoned on his course very intelligent guy.
He will be in same bedsit in 10yrs time if he does not snap out of it.He is also the most paranoid person I have ever met.

Peace:)

[montag]

I have been a heavy smoker for about 15 - 16 years and love the stuff. I have recently stopped and OMG I never knew the prison I was in. I always defended it, kind of like the kidnapped protecting the kidnapper. I would say it is the most controlling of all the substances. People say it brings out the creative parts and helps with relaxation etc, which it does to an extent.
My problem with it was I couldn't really go anywhere unless I had weed. I couldn't plan a holiday with my wife cos I was worried I wouldn't be able to bring or find weed wherever I go. So in a way it placed boundaries in my life. Some things I could do, some things I couldn't.
I really feel now as if the world has opened up for me, I can see beyond the boundaries that were placed in front of me.

I really feel like I have my mind back, and I'm as creative as I was when stoned.

I would really like to hear your comments. :cool:
Well done sharpie, I used to be a heavy smoker(rarely not stoned) so I know exactly where you're coming from. Gradually over the last couple of years I cut right down and recently I've stopped it all together, I've never felt better.

It's great to see all the other ex tokers on the thread also.:)

[sharpiesix]

Thank you all, I seem to be getting more encouragement about this than i ever had about anything.

the itinerant shrubber, cheers for that, yea I think it was near greed. I found myself not caring about others, as long as I had my weed I'm happy. I don't blame the weed, it was me that chose to use it. It just felt after a while that it was out of control and got its hooks in me so to speak. I was the culprit not the victim. Cheers

[psych641]

thats because in your heart and mind you havnt let go of it.
may you have the power to do so:)

I really dont think so, in my case it was medicinal use for whats termed 'autistic inertia' - i see life-long non-users with the same problem. Its been months now, and i dont feel weed is part of my identity anymore, its become alien again.

Note that by 'medicinal' im not talking about getting blitzed every morning - i mean just taking the smallest effective dose & not going any further. This is key.

This IMO is the problem many people have - its not the drug thats causing the habit, its the user manifesting something negative in their psyche. Same with food as so on. Less is often more - if your an ex-problem eater but your still blaming food for your problems then it means the underlying issues are probably still there, lying dormant, unresolved.

IMO Cannabis is a fantastic substance for many people - a healer & therapeutic catalyst. IF it is used with respect, wisdom & positive intent: having long, complete breaks is probably a very good idea to this end :)

[mushroombot]

On the whole, I feel much better for having stopped myself. The problem I had was with the the weed/tobacco association. I must have stopped smoking tobacco at least 20 times in the past and been drawn back into it by the weed, pipes then eventually J's.(Probably just my mind playing tricks to get me back onto the bacca) I'm at the point now where I haven't smoked tobacco for a year and only have the odd toke on a pipe, less than 2 or 3 every couple of months or so. If I ever have a quantity, more than a a couple of pipes worth, I find it kicks off negative patterns - Laziness, eating crap, ignoring the phone, general withdrawal. For me, stopping completely is the way forward.

[silver_eyes]

im sorry weed had this controling effect on u. i smoke about twice a week and i dont suffer from these issues. maybe u were using it as too much of a crutch instead of a treat

[mushroombot]

Note that by 'medicinal' im not talking about getting blitzed every morning - i mean just taking the smallest effective dose & not going any further. This is key.
:)

It certainly is!!! :D

[sharpiesix]

im sorry weed had this controling effect on u. i smoke about twice a week and i dont suffer from these issues. maybe u were using it as too much of a crutch instead of a treat

Not sure, I've always been known as a stoner, when i grew up in Scotland it was tough to find sometimes, so we got drunk. There is definitely a crutch thing going on but i think it turned into more of a habit. A couple of joints a week turned into a half ounce a week over a long period of time. I worked out that if I spent £50 per week for 15 years it comes to about 39 grand, thats not including the tobacco and rizzla.

[chaozine]

Hey people, stop smoking so goddamn much. Too much is too much in everything you do.

[silver_eyes]

Not sure, I've always been known as a stoner, when i grew up in Scotland it was tough to find sometimes, so we got drunk. There is definitely a crutch thing going on but i think it turned into more of a habit. A couple of joints a week turned into a half ounce a week over a long period of time. I worked out that if I spent £50 per week for 15 years it comes to about 39 grand, thats not including the tobacco and rizzla.

ahh well when u crunch the numbers like that i can see how ud be deterred. to me i dont mind spending some money treating myself to a good time. when i do smoke once or twice a week i find i love it socially. its kind of a ritual when my cousins and i get together now. and we love it. but things are always different for different people

[friendsinthesky]

Bloody quiters! Congratulations. I stopped smoking 10yrs ago, I started to getting anxious and not enjoying the moment. It does restrict your life, but that goes with choice.

I recently quit nicotine, it's the hardest drug to kick, nasty withdrawls for me, much better to be free of addiction - should the world go into a "depression".

[cruise4]

"its the user manifesting something negative in their psyche."

That is a brilliant point.

I don't think Cannabis is addictive, which you might think is a mad point when you look about and see people who can't go a day without it... but that's a psychological addiction based on the above point IMO.

I had the same trouble in the first years of smoking it. But now I can smoke it for weeks and then not smoke it for weeks, and both periods have their advantages or disadvantages. It was especially important to give up a few times to see how easy it is to actually give up. One day of feeling a bit 'addicted' to overcome and then it goes away. Once you realise that is all there is to it... it becomes easy. But NOT in other smokers company. That makes it very very hard. Not what I'd call addictive... not like Heroin or Crack.

[supertzar]

It's all in your mind. If you think you need it, you do.

[beldazar]

Hey Sharpiestix, Ive gotta put my piece in here! I was a full time smoker for 17 years, in fact, I couldnt or wouldnt give it up, it was my best friend and worst enemy at the same time.
i got sick of HAVING to be stoned and not being able to mix with people much.
i went to a support group for help, initially depression set in , 4 days of continuous crying, then after a few weeks I recall walking down a road and feeling how clear my head was! It was amazing, it was as if my head had been encased in cotton wool for years.

I didnt have a smoke or drink for a year and a half but that was boring (:D0
but now I do have the occasional smoke or drink but smoking removes me from others very easily and communication doesnt come easy....sometimes I just fall asleep and miss it! I wonder why I bother at times like those,

I will always remember one particular character in my town turning around to me and saying 'be a drug user, not drug abuser', it took a while before I understood what he meant ;)

By the way, I went to the doctors about it years ago, I have down on my records, 'seems to be addicted to 'pot' this pissed me off immensely, if it wasnt addictive why could I not go without?

As controversial as this sounds, I now believe that psychological addiction is the basis of all addiction and calling it physical is just observing the physical manifestations of a psychological addiction

[boosh_it]

Yeah, I've eased off the dope over the last 3 to 4 years, from being a heavy user(everyday) the previous 9 or so years. Like people have already said, it's all in the head......if think you need it, then you need/have it.

Don't get me wrong, kicking back with nothing to do and nothing to worry about, a few buddies around and a couple of J's on the go, it is still good but everyday man! Not good.

Less is more in every possible way, most definitely......

[allure]

I gave up a few years back after being a long time daily smoker of it. Back then I couldn't even consider trying to operate without it. I still have a few puffs now and then but thats it.

Not my buzz anymore. I'm much more sociable, and less irritable as a non smoker.

[eyepod]

"its the user manifesting something negative in their psyche."

That is a brilliant point.

I don't think Cannabis is addictive, which you might think is a mad point when you look about and see people who can't go a day without it... but that's a psychological addiction based on the above point IMO.

I had the same trouble in the first years of smoking it. But now I can smoke it for weeks and then not smoke it for weeks, and both periods have their advantages or disadvantages. It was especially important to give up a few times to see how easy it is to actually give up. One day of feeling a bit 'addicted' to overcome and then it goes away. Once you realise that is all there is to it... it becomes easy. But NOT in other smokers company. That makes it very very hard. Not what I'd call addictive... not like Heroin or Crack.

Dope is psychologically addictive with no real physical addiction. That said psychological addiction is the most difficult to overcome. A physical addiction is overcome in a week or so but then your left with the psychological addiction which for some can last a life time. Ask a recovered alchoholic or heroin addict about the two types of addiction and which one they have to deal with everyday, it won't be the physical addiction.

[malvern]

Dont blame the weed though. You didnt respect it and you abused it and yourself. Dont be like those idiots that live on Big Macs for 12 years and then try and sue Mc Donalds cos they're fat fuckers. LOL
Everything is beneficial in moderation,including nicotine,alcohol and cream cakes.

i agree..... stopped the abuse... and use things for what they are , use things with control.

and in the same breath well done for takening back control sharpiesix


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[supertzar]

Physical addiction as seen in opiates or cocaine leaves long term or permanent damage to the body. Cannabis is actually neuroprotective. You are doing your brain a favor if you smoke it.

[and justice for all]

I have been a heavy smoker for about 15 - 16 years and love the stuff. I have recently stopped and OMG I never knew the prison I was in. I always defended it, kind of like the kidnapped protecting the kidnapper. I would say it is the most controlling of all the substances. People say it brings out the creative parts and helps with relaxation etc, which it does to an extent.
My problem with it was I couldn't really go anywhere unless I had weed. I couldn't plan a holiday with my wife cos I was worried I wouldn't be able to bring or find weed wherever I go. So in a way it placed boundaries in my life. Some things I could do, some things I couldn't.
I really feel now as if the world has opened up for me, I can see beyond the boundaries that were placed in front of me.

I really feel like I have my mind back, and I'm as creative as I was when stoned.

I would really like to hear your comments. :cool:

You got it!

I think it’s great that you made that decision. And it’s even better that you realized all that by yourself. It’s no good if someone comes and tries to tell you this, defense mechanisms kicks in and you wouldn’t had listened.

Just great stuff. Keep it up, and as you can see you have loads of support here.

[drhemp]

I've been using it for years, I don't smoke it all the time, just now and then, like I have a beer now and then. This is true of most cannabis users, just as it is true of most beer drinkers.

Adverse effects can be found in people who consume too much, however, most people don't do this, so why should the law criminalise the vast majority of responsible users? Not that it makes any difference, people still use it regardless of its legality.

I don't think the Government cares if people smoke pot or not, but the the New World Order certainly has a vested interest in keeping the drugs trade illegal, as they profit from it. I agree they want to dumb people down, but they certainly don't need to rely on the marijuana trade to do this when legally available alcohol is doing a perfectly good job of this. Not to mention food additives, cocaine, crap tv, etc.,

It's supposed to be a free country, and I don't care kindly to a bunch of politician pricks telling me what I can and cannot put into my body.

[cruise4]

"I now believe that psychological addiction is the basis of all addiction and calling it physical is just observing the physical manifestations of a psychological addiction"

There is definite physical addiction. No question about it. I've seen people writhing in agony.

"That said psychological addiction is the most difficult to overcome."

Hmmm, not so sure. What you are describing as psychological addiction is no longer addiction but rather a remembrance of how good it could be. Is that a psychological addiction? I don't think so. Psychological... yes.

"Ask a recovered alchoholic or heroin addict"

Yes, but a very different character of drug.

Bottom line to me is:
I don't care kindly to a bunch of politician pricks telling me what I can and cannot put into my body.

This word 'addiction' is just another open ended, could mean anything word it seems especially when linked with psychological. Maybe we just don't know.

[supertzar]

Wow, writhing in agony about not having any smoke?! I would so like to see that. I would laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh!!! :)

[eyepod]

Physical addiction as seen in opiates or cocaine leaves long term or permanent damage to the body. Cannabis is actually neuroprotective. You are doing your brain a favor if you smoke it.

Not all physical addictions involve opiates or cocaine, some physical addictions involve drugs which naturally occur in the body but you wouldn't know about those because no doubt your too stoned as usual. You don't half talk some crap about dope. Neuroprotective - get over yourself you addict! :D

[cruise4]

Writhing in agony from Dope? No, I've never seen that. Perhaps you missed this bit:

"I now believe that psychological addiction is the basis of all addiction and calling it physical is just observing the physical manifestations of a psychological addiction"

[eyepod]

Writhing in agony from Dope? No, I've never seen that. Perhaps you missed this bit:

"I now believe that psychological addiction is the basis of all addiction and calling it physical is just observing the physical manifestations of a psychological addiction"

That quote is just plane wrong, physical addiction come in a variety of forms but is usually due to the particular drugs effect of increasing amounts of certain neurotransmitters, mimicing other neurotransmitters or fooling certain brain recpetors that it is a particular neurotransmitter.

The brain works extremely hard to keep itself in chemical balance and will therefore downgrade these neurotransmitters or their receptors resulting in tolerance and addiction as the brain turns off it's own production of the chemicals. Stopping the drug altogther will then result in not enough of the neurotransmitter or not enough receptors for the brain to be in balance - this is physcial addiction. Slowly the brain starts to upgrade the neurotransmitters / recpetors and physical addiction subsides.

[supertzar]

Not all physical addictions involve opiates or cocaine, some physical addictions involve drugs which naturally occur in the body but you wouldn't know about those because no doubt your too stoned as usual. You don't half talk some crap about dope. Neuroprotective - get over yourself you addict! :D

Hmmm...What "drugs" occur in the body that you can get "addicted" to?

You don't half talk some crap about dope.

LOL!!! I love you guys on this forum. Maybe I am just in a really good mood, but you guys are cool, even if you are totally ridiculous. :)

[and justice for all]

Neuroprotective - get over yourself you addict! :D

LOL! :D

Not all physical addictions involve opiates or cocaine, some physical addictions involve drugs which naturally occur in the body ...

Too true. Adrenaline, endorphins and testosterone are naturally occurring and highly addictive too.

[supertzar]

Is that so? Are they truly addictive in a scientific sense? Very interesting. I don't think that would be the same as drug addiction, though. Those things would be considered hormones, correct?

[eyepod]

Hmmm...What "drugs" occur in the body that you can get "addicted" to?



LOL!!! I love you guys on this forum. Maybe I am just in a really good mood, but you guys are cool, even if you are totally ridiculous. :)

Well if you don't know what I am talking about then I am hardly going to tell someone who is in denial about their drug taking. Especially when some are still legal and freely available. It would be safer sticking with your neuroprotective dope :D

[supertzar]

Okay, friend.

[and justice for all]

Is that so? Are they truly addictive in a scientific sense? Very interesting. I don't think that would be the same as drug addiction, though...

Yes they are. Google it.
Mind you, since this is kind of a “taboo” subject, you’ll need to cipher some BS along the way before getting to the hard facts. The elite wants the herds subjugated by their impulses, they don’t want to advertise that naturally occurring substances in the body are detrimental for those that actively seek this kind of natural “fix”.

[supertzar]

So, this hormonal addiction is the same as drug addiction? I mean everyone has heard of the "adrenaline junky," but to equate that with serious drug addiction seems to be a bit of a stretch, doesn't it?

[and justice for all]

I never said it’s the same as hardcore drug addiction, but it’s a form of addiction none the less.

[supertzar]

It's kind of a stretch, though, don't you think? Do you have links about this type of "addiction?" If these hormones are so highly addictive, there must be lots of info about it. I guess it could be said I am addicted to testosterone and the other hormones you mentioned. I don't know. I would be fucked without them, but I can hardly wrap my head around the idea of being addicted to them. I know our physiology is highly dependent on hormones, it just doesn't seem like addiction exactly. Are you sure you are not full of shit? :confused:

[eyepod]

So, this hormonal addiction is the same as drug addiction? I mean everyone has heard of the "adrenaline junky," but to equate that with serious drug addiction seems to be a bit of a stretch, doesn't it?

Endorphins are an opiate as is heroin. Exercise addicts are endorphin addicts essentially. Testostorone is anabolic steriod (you know the stuff that some body builders get strung out on).

There are others though, some are precursors to neurotransmitters which are unable to cross the blood brain barrier or neurotransmitters in their own right. The brain has to manufacturer the neurotransmitter from the precursor which does cross the blood brain barrier.

Believe me some of these than can be physically addictive but occur in every cell in your body in tiny amounts. They will be processed to CO2 and water by the body and are non-toxic but being precursors to neurotransmitters a physical addiction can set in with enough dedication. I am not naming the names as this forum isn't about drug taking and I am not trying to promote it.

[krakhead]

So, this hormonal addiction is the same as drug addiction? I mean everyone has heard of the "adrenaline junky," but to equate that with serious drug addiction seems to be a bit of a stretch, doesn't it?

Quite common actually, for example you can also get people who can't not exercising because they become addicted to the endorphines released.

A lot of drugs of misue cause the same endorphins to be released as exercise/sex/laughing/eating chocolate etc. But in a MUCH more concentrated period of time.

Physical addiction as seen in opiates or cocaine leaves long term or permanent damage to the body. Cannabis is actually neuroprotective. You are doing your brain a favor if you smoke it.

It tends to be the method of use that causes the damage. Opiates in particular cause virtually no long term physical effects. And I am not talking of neurological changes linked with addiction btw, purely the 'bad' physical effects that are regularly presented as an unavoidable effect of opiate use.

If you have a pure supply and take them in a sensible manner, the majority of people would suffer no long term physical effects.

[supertzar]

Neurological changes are primarily what I am referring to. As to endorphins, I know they are endogenous opioids. I just don't think that a person will ever suffer from endorphin withdrawal like they will from opiates.

[and justice for all]

It's kind of a stretch, though, don't you think? Do you have links about this type of "addiction?" If these hormones are so highly addictive, there must be lots of info about it. I guess it could be said I am addicted to testosterone and the other hormones you mentioned. I don't know. I would be fucked without them, but I can hardly wrap my head around the idea of being addicted to them. I know our physiology is highly dependent on hormones, it just doesn't seem like addiction exactly. Are you sure you are not full of shit? :confused:

I think what is a kind “of a stretch” is you implying that I’m full of shit when you didn’t even research the matter. If anything then the studies that came out with this data are the ones that are full of shit not me.
Never the less; the effects of this “addiction” are rather obvious and there are examples of this everywhere, this is one of the root causes why people get hooked on: power, gambling, fame, success, shopping, food, extreme sports, sex, (etc).

About the links... I read the material, but I didn’t bookmarked it so that’s why I suggested you to “google it”.

[supertzar]

I am googling it and I can hardly find shit. That's why I am asking you, because you are the expert.

[and justice for all]

I am googling it and I can hardly find shit. That's why I am asking you, because you are the expert.

LOL! Thanks, but I'm not an "expert". I did researched it though...
I did tell you it wasn't going to be easy to find this info (beginning to connect the dots and see why? hmmm?) :)

[supertzar]

If you ever find some good info to back up what you are saying, let me know. Until then it's bullshit. Anyway, Cannabis is neuroprotective and there is plenty of good info about that. It's not addictive in the sense of "drug addiction." It's not addictive any more than anything else in the world including this forum. I am happy if someone does better without it and I support that, but there is a lot of bullshit going around about the greatest plant in the world and I don't appreciate that.

[and justice for all]

Don't mix issues.
Defend pot all you like, that’s your choice and I won’t argue with you or anybody else about their right to do with themselves whatever they like.

But this thread is not an attack on weed or their users. Is about someone that also out of his free choice decided he’s better off without it.

[supertzar]

It's about the effects of NOT smoking cannabis and what I am talking about is well within that topic, especially considering the comments about addiction and that kind of nonsense that are on this thread.

[supertzar]

Furthermore, it is ironic that you admonish me not to "mix issues" after making a superfluous point about "hormone addiction."

[and justice for all]

It's about the effects of NOT smoking cannabis and what I am talking about is well within that topic, especially considering the comments about addiction and that kind of nonsense that are on this thread.

Nope, it’s you making it an issue about your own hang ups and insecurities.
It is an addiction psychological or otherwise. “Truth” won’t change because you can’t agree with it.
No need of being so defensive, your pot is safe, the alphabet intelligence agencies will make sure you’re never short of it.

[and justice for all]

I don’t think that an issue that is flying under the radar for a lot of people (you’re a prime example of that) is a “superfluous” point.

[supertzar]

I love truth and I know you are incorrect. I will show you over and over, but you won't see. Maybe some day. Good luck to you. ;)

[sharpiesix]

Calm down lads, I am happy to hear any comments about this.

Cheers for all the replies, I'm astounded at the response. Over 770 views and over 60 posts in less than a day.

Thanks a lot everyone :cool:

[supertzar]

Hope you are doing well, sharpiesix. Might I suggest taking up the lifting of weights? It makes you feel reeeaally, really good. Like a perfect high. Be careful though, you might end up with a debilitating endorphin addiction. :eek:

[eyepod]

It's about the effects of NOT smoking cannabis and what I am talking about is well within that topic, especially considering the comments about addiction and that kind of nonsense that are on this thread.

Talking about drugs and addiction in the same thread is nonsense hey? Yet your spouting off your delusional speal in any thread that even comes close to talking drugs about cannabis being the saviour of man kind, neuroprotectuve and any other druggey propaganda you can still remember. It's dope, it's just another drug - nothing more nothing less.

Back on topic though - good luck to OP who has realised it's not the be all and end all in life.

[supertzar]

My information is not based on emotion like yours seems to be. It is fascinating to see your thought process played out on these pages. I am telling you easily verified true information, but you don't want to know. I helps me learn about the psychology of belief. Very interesting stuff.

And, yes, it is nonsense because Cannabis is not addictive. It's not even a drug. It's a medicinal herb.

[rickdog]

I just quit recently after smoking daily for 20 years. I feel so much better. I really resonated with everything you have said in this thread for the most part. It really can be a prison. I was just really over being stoned all the time. For me it really did steal my motivation. It is different for everyone.

[sharpiesix]

Hope you are doing well, sharpiesix. Might I suggest taking up the lifting of weights? It makes you feel reeeaally, really good. Like a perfect high. Be careful though, you might end up with a debilitating endorphin addiction. :eek:

I don't take well to sarcasm, but thanks for your wonderful useless input. Please don't just come on here to take the piss. Cheers

[eyepod]

My information is not based on emotion like yours seems to be. It is fascinating to see your thought process played out on these pages. I am telling you easily verified true information, but you don't want to know. I helps me learn about the psychology of belief. Very interesting stuff.

And, yes, it is nonsense because Cannabis is not addictive. It's not even a drug. It's a medicinal herb.

Learning your own brand of pyschology whilst stoned based on a few forum posts won't really get you very far I'd wager. You may find it fascinating but so is staring at the wall when your stoned enough.

I've smoked enough dope in my time to know 1) it is addictive 2) it is not neuroprotective. But believe what you like, it's your body and brain. Been there, seen it done it.

[supertzar]

For you guys that no longer smoke, what level of quality was the herb you smoked all those years? Just curious about that aspect.

[supertzar]

I don't take well to sarcasm, but thanks for your wonderful useless input. Please don't just come on here to take the piss. Cheers

I'm not being sarcastic except about the concept of the dangerous endorphin addiction. I was giving you a sincere suggestion about something I have found to be very, very helpful to me. :(

[sharpiesix]

I just quit recently after smoking daily for 20 years. I feel so much better. I really resonated with everything you have said in this thread for the most part. It really can be a prison. I was just really over being stoned all the time. For me it really did steal my motivation. It is different for everyone.


Well done Rickdog, this thread shows your not alone. :D

[sharpiesix]

I'm not being sarcastic except about the concept of the dangerous endorphin addiction. I was giving you a sincere suggestion about something I have found to be very, very helpful to me. :(

Soz supertzar i may have read your response wrong. You just give the impression of a person on a higher pedestal. I will try the lifting of weights. :D

[supertzar]

I am kind of feeling on a pedestal today and enjoying it! :D Seriously, I am in a great mood. Maybe it is from seeing Buckethead last night or maybe it is from getting close to closing on a purchase of a humongous record collection that could make me a lot of money over the years. I don't know. I am just excited and inspired right now. :)

[sharpiesix]

For you guys that no longer smoke, what level of quality was the herb you smoked all those years? Just curious about that aspect.

Absolutely lovely, perfectly grown by a close friend of mine. :cool:

I don't think its the cannabis itself I'm complaining about, its how it affected my life. It seems that there are so many other people who feel the same. Very controlling and life limiting, for me anyways, but i spent the last 15 years defending it saying it was the best plant in the world. :confused:

[supertzar]

It's still the best plant in the world by objective measures. You just seem to need to change your relationship to it.

[sharpiesix]

It's still the best plant in the world by objective measures. You just seem to need to change your relationship to it.

I hear you, and I have thanks. If it was the best plant in the world then why are so many people wanting away from it? Is there something about this stuff you know that others don't?

[branjo]

The "herb" that is cannabis isn't really the issue here, the point here is that it was being used as a crutch, the substance is irrelevant. You just have an obsessive personality, that's not a bad thing as I think this can mean your just very thorough...lol. The addictiveness of anything is a point of view, people are addicted to taking vitamins everyday because it makes them feel better so they take them repeatedly.

The word "Drugs" is the fucking problem, it neatly wraps up everything for people with no intention of trying it or letting themselves enjoy/experience it. Some feel chocolate is a "drug" for christs sake, its an infectious little word that infects anything that people don't understand or respect or can't explain any other way.

You smoked it all the time because you needed to do it, maybe you lost your appreciating view on your life which now you have back. You don't know that if you never smoked cannabis that in 15 years you would be where you are now physically or psychologically, If you had gotten "addicted" to certain foods or alcohol you could be dead about now, or have damaged your body irreparably. But you didn't, you where using a PLANT that has been used for all recorded human history, with an UNDENIABLE 100% proven track record for safety.

You relied on it too much, that's it. And to be truthful, just because you have stopped smoking cannabis you have changed nothing, you are still a person with an addictive gene or quality unless you counter the reasons why you got into the rut with self medicating in the first place. Confront those demons and you will be able to enjoy anything you want how ever intense. Everyone who smokes cannabis falls into the honeymoon period with it, yours just lasted too long for you.

You should stop looking at what cannabis didn't do for you and start looking at what it did for you.

Peace

[supertzar]

I hear you, and I have thanks. If it was the best plant in the world then why are so many people wanting away from it? Is there something about this stuff you know that others don't?

Ask yourself would the mind of a warrior allow for problems with smoking herb? Whether smoked constantly or not?

[psych641]

For you guys that no longer smoke, what level of quality was the herb you smoked all those years? Just curious about that aspect.

3-7g soap per week
then
2-3g sensi per week - varying quality; factory - connoseur at the end.

13 years on/off. no tobacco for the last 2.

At this level, usually a little in the evenings it was never a big deal to stop - 2 days tops of feeling vaguely addicted & then it wasnt really missed & i think i was only bothered when i wanted some but couldnt for some reason. When stopping of my own volition i dont think that was an issue at all.

oh btw, this past 1/2 year or so i havent been smoking, ive actually have a nice stash sitting 1 metre away. I just havent felt inclined to use it... i think its the 2 day thing.

[sharpiesix]

The "herb" that is cannabis isn't really the issue here, the point here is that it was being used as a crutch, the substance is irrelevant. You just have an obsessive personality, that's not a bad thing as I think this can mean your just very thorough...lol. The addictiveness of anything is a point of view, people are addicted to taking vitamins everyday because it makes them feel better so they take them repeatedly.

The word "Drugs" is the fucking problem, it neatly wraps up everything for people with no intention of trying it or letting themselves enjoy/experience it. Some feel chocolate is a "drug" for christs sake, its an infectious little word that infects anything that people don't understand or respect or can't explain any other way.

You smoked it all the time because you needed to do it, maybe you lost your appreciating view on your life which now you have back. You don't know that if you never smoked cannabis that in 15 years you would be where you are now physically or psychologically, If you had gotten "addicted" to certain foods or alcohol you could be dead about now, or have damaged your body irreparably. But you didn't, you where using a PLANT that has been used for all recorded human history, with an UNDENIABLE 100% proven track record for safety.

You relied on it too much, that's it. And to be truthful, just because you have stopped smoking cannabis you have changed nothing, you are still a person with an addictive gene or quality unless you counter the reasons why you got into the rut with self medicating in the first place. Confront those demons and you will be able to enjoy anything you want how ever intense. Everyone who smokes cannabis falls into the honeymoon period with it, yours just lasted too long for you.

You should stop looking at what cannabis didn't do for you and start looking at what it did for you.

Peace

Thank you branjo, very good post. Nail on head and all that. I would not have done my degree, or learned the guitar like i have if it wasn't for the teacher plant. Cheers :cool:

[21_12_2012]

In my experience/opinion:-
Weed blinds your thinking. And makes you say stuff you wouldn't say if you
were sober. And talk shit a lot of the time.
It makes you believe it's the best thing in the world, while you're on it.
It makes you believe all kinds of stuff, you laugh at stuff you'd never laugh
at if you were sober....you become stressed at stuff you'd normally not give
a shit about if you were sober...you think stuff is brilliant, but if you were
sober you'd think the same stuff was total shit. Such as songs..tv stuff...
people...friends...numerous other things.

Eyepod is right..it does have physically-addictive symptoms.

I suffered withdrawals for weeks after giving up. Including:-
Sweating so much i was getting through 8 t shirts a day.
Nightmares for 2 months every night, shouting and screaming in my sleep.
Depressive-type feelings.
Over excitement, then downers.
Confusion.
Major appetite fluctuation.
Nausea.

Hell for months it was.

Whether it was, as a previous poster mentioned, due to endorphins, or
actual withdrawal from the THC in cannabis, i don't know.

Either way, it produced physical symptoms in me.

Everyones different i suppose.

I was on between 20 and 30 pipes a day for nearly 20 years. Morning til night.

[supertzar]

Do you have issues that might have been masked by smoking every 45 minutes for twenty years?

[21_12_2012]

No issues....i just 'believed' weed was the best thing on earth.
Til i quit.

[supertzar]

Well, that's cool. I'm glad you are feeling better now.

[21_12_2012]

Thanks. I know people are different. I know people who are addicted to
different kinds of drugs (old friends)...but mainly alchohol.

I suppose i was a 'weedaholic'...if there is such a term.
I would never take it again the same as a recovered alchoholic would never
touch alchohol again.

[jahzel]

The bottom line is: (and I know most of you probably won’t read what I have to say because I’m not really part of the 'Neo-Icke-Elite’) NO law should restrict what we do to ourselves as long as it does not harm or infringe on the freedoms of others.

The drug law is making lives a misery by criminalizing everybody to the point that you cannot even get a proper job even if you are given a caution for possession. My cousin has a caution for possession of cannabis and has since not been able to get the job he wanted due to CRB checks. It's disgusting. And we have a “ninnying” population that seems to think the answer to everything is jail time.

The prisons are just training grounds anyway for future criminals. They are dangerous, disgusting, degrading places. What kind of life would you expect to live when you have no decent future ahead of you? You are destined to live a life of ruin.

Let Freedom of Choice prevail. It's safer, cleaner, and a lot bloody easier.

[branjo]

Hmm I think again it had zero to do with the drug and more like what you were thinking at the time, cannabis didn't "Make you do or say anything" thinking that it did is a bit short sighted to say the least. It seems to me like you were an obsessive compulsive and weed was your obsession, could have just as easily been washing your hands too much. Some people shouldn't take anything that alters their perception because they, I don't know, can't differentiate between the high and normality, doing it for a really long time can lead to this, but again letting anything becaome a crutch is just as damaging.
Its another case of the "Why" and not the "What"

[21_12_2012]

Not in my case.
For example...i could 'take or leave' all other drugs, and alchohol.

When friends were doing lines and lines of coke, and drinking themselves into
a coma, i could quite happily not have a drink, or a line, or anything else
for that matter...but weed.

I've had a few lines of coke in my life..very very few..if i was, as you say,
an 'obsessive compulsive', then surely i would've been hammering "more
addictive-type drugs"

But i never did.

[burnzy]

Some dude i know has been smoking weed for about 6 years.

He got sectioned the other week but he also took other drugs such as ching.

[jahzel]

And we shouldn't forget that there are a lot of sacred plants like cannabis that have been used for aeons by human kind for legitimate spiritual and shamanistic reasons and not for the hedonistic reasons we in the so-called 'Western Civilisation' mostly indulge in. I think the introduction of tobacco is a perfect example.

To get the full benefit of these plants we need total freedom (freedom from the establishment, the police, etc) and total understanding of nature (i.e. the spiritual aspects of knowing) and the process of living (and co-existing).

It's no wonder that paranoia and other complications are prevalent in a society that uses these plants in a negative city environment that does absolutely nothing to connect us with the earth.

[cruise4]

I have had some of the best fun ever with drugs. Regardless of giving up or not giving up, that will remain true. Yes there's issues, but I still wouldn't have missed it for the world. I still think everyone should try LSD or something similar, even if just once.

[supertzar]

Nice post, jahzel. To me it is plain that our whole relationship to reality is horribly skewed. We don't know how to think properly or simply be how we should. It is so much more in the mind than is commonly accepted.

[lightgiver]

Here is my opinion,:D
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=dQIoypuPQgs

[jahzel]

Nice post, jahzel. To me it is plain that our whole relationship to reality is horribly skewed. We don't know how to think properly or simply be how we should. It is so much more in the mind than is commonly accepted.

Exactly.

And when you realise it's all about vibrations in this illusion we call a holographic universe, it starts to make sense. (Well, sort of):)

[young_geecee]

Couldn't agree with you more !

I, too, recently stopped smoking the cannibas (and cigarettes; same time) - eh, about 5 or 6 months ago. Smoked weed every day for four years, and smoked cigarettes an average of a pack a day for four years, actually smoked 2 packs a day for a while...

I came to the same conclusions about it as you did, really - even to the fact that smoking weed became a priority, even on/during family-oriented holidays. Now I find cigarettes absolutely disgusting, and cannabis, in my experience of it now, to be just downright worthless, vain, even stupid.

During the time I smoked, I always defended it as quite a liberating thing (it is/can be, until it's a habit) - something that was done religiously, even as a sacrament .. really all that is is just delusion talking, as addiction (addiction isn't always just chemical/physical, it can also be just as strongly mental/emotional) can form the most convincing of all self-delusions.

I commend you for getting clean, coming 'to your senses', and 'becoming you' again, really :)

Oh, and just to obliterate notorious myths - addiction is such an easy thing to overcome, or go beyond, IF YOU WANT TO. Nicotine, etc.. , whatever the affect may be on the physical body .. you're not going to get over it unless you truly want to. I quit smoking like the blink of an eye, the snap of the fingers.. one of the easiest decisions/things I've ever done in life - but it only happened like that because I really wanted to stop such an unconscious habit.

i know EXACTLY what you mean i had pressure from my girlfriend to quit and i found it hard all the time then one day, one night, all on my own accord without even really thinking about it i justt thought im gonna quit tomorrow, and then not even a hint of a craving, if you really want to, then you can its actually easy,

my favourite line, "dont think you can, KNOW you can"

[branjo]

Not in my case.
For example...i could 'take or leave' all other drugs, and alchohol.

When friends were doing lines and lines of coke, and drinking themselves into
a coma, I could quite happily not have a drink, or a line, or anything else
for that matter...but weed.

I've had a few lines of coke in my life..very very few..if i was, as you say,
an 'obsessive compulsive', then surely i would've been hammering "more
addictive-type drugs"

But I never did.

Sorry but you didn't get my point. An obsessive compulsive doesn't get that way about everything, they select certain things and are convinced they can't function without them. Cannabis is not addictive neither mentally or physically, the fact that you feel you need it doesn't change that fact. You used it for a crutch and you paid the price, your to blame, not the plant.

You didn't stop smoking weed for the very fact that you didn't want to. It wasn't the evil weed making you pick up the pipe, it was you every single time. It wasn't answering in a different manner or thinking in a different way it was you. Anything that alters your perception removes certain barriers between you and the surrounding world, getting used to having to fewer barriers is as traumatic for some people as having to many is for other people.

I just hate this pat on the back culture we are in when you stop smoking the non smokers are all "bully for you" and if you stop smoking weed the anti drug crowd say "yay" for you, if you stop eating red meat the vegetarians are all "hallelujah!", Its all bullshit, its just you being indoctrinated into someone else's way of thinking. Praise should neither be given or expected by someone stopping something that was making them unhappy, I believe the raw truth of it, you got yourself in so you can get yourself out.

[edelweiss pirate]

I'd happily spend the rest of my life smoking weed....

But I have to work...shit.

Canabais is only perceived as a problem because it is illegal and hard to obtain, and we live in a fast paced hyper society..... which doesn't make much room for stoners...

It's society's crime not ours!

If there was no taboo with smoking weed then you wouldn't even get paranoid.

It's only because as soon as you smoke you become an instant criminal.


I've just had a smoke. It woke me up to all the mundane shit I've been taking way too seriously lately.

Have a holiday! Have a J!

[silver_eyes]

I've been using it for years, I don't smoke it all the time, just now and then, like I have a beer now and then. This is true of most cannabis users, just as it is true of most beer drinkers.

Adverse effects can be found in people who consume too much, however, most people don't do this, so why should the law criminalise the vast majority of responsible users? Not that it makes any difference, people still use it regardless of its legality.

I don't think the Government cares if people smoke pot or not, but the the New World Order certainly has a vested interest in keeping the drugs trade illegal, as they profit from it. I agree they want to dumb people down, but they certainly don't need to rely on the marijuana trade to do this when legally available alcohol is doing a perfectly good job of this. Not to mention food additives, cocaine, crap tv, etc.,

It's supposed to be a free country, and I don't care kindly to a bunch of politician pricks telling me what I can and cannot put into my body.


amen

[silver_eyes]

Not all physical addictions involve opiates or cocaine, some physical addictions involve drugs which naturally occur in the body but you wouldn't know about those because no doubt your too stoned as usual. You don't half talk some crap about dope. Neuroprotective - get over yourself you addict! :D

no reason for name calling. i think weed is neuroproductive and i only smoke once or twice a week socially, am i an addict?

[krakhead]

If there was no taboo with smoking weed then you wouldn't even get paranoid.

It's only because as soon as you smoke you become an instant criminal.



I used to think this when I first began smoking. But one night I went up a hill with a friend of mine to have a smoke and look down over beautiful Pontypridd (;)). We had a bit of a chat while rolling a joint. There was a house, on it's own, on the side of the hill with a really strong porch light.

As we got more stoned, we kept looking at the porch light. We knew it was a porch light. Always was and always would be. But then we got to a point of stoned-ness where that porch light became the house owner shining a torch directly at us!

We stumbled around to move to a darker bit of hill, dropped our dope on the way, got all depressed (but still very giggly!) and went home.

My point being we weren't at all paranoid until really stoned, and then we reacted in a very paranoid manner to something which we already knew was just a porch light.

I have seen people become paranoid about all sorts of things whilst stoned, it doesn't have to be a paranoia related to the illegality of cannabis.

[silver_eyes]

Hope you are doing well, sharpiesix. Might I suggest taking up the lifting of weights? It makes you feel reeeaally, really good. Like a perfect high. Be careful though, you might end up with a debilitating endorphin addiction. :eek:


hehe

[silver_eyes]

The "herb" that is cannabis isn't really the issue here, the point here is that it was being used as a crutch, the substance is irrelevant. You just have an obsessive personality, that's not a bad thing as I think this can mean your just very thorough...lol. The addictiveness of anything is a point of view, people are addicted to taking vitamins everyday because it makes them feel better so they take them repeatedly.

The word "Drugs" is the fucking problem, it neatly wraps up everything for people with no intention of trying it or letting themselves enjoy/experience it. Some feel chocolate is a "drug" for christs sake, its an infectious little word that infects anything that people don't understand or respect or can't explain any other way.

You smoked it all the time because you needed to do it, maybe you lost your appreciating view on your life which now you have back. You don't know that if you never smoked cannabis that in 15 years you would be where you are now physically or psychologically, If you had gotten "addicted" to certain foods or alcohol you could be dead about now, or have damaged your body irreparably. But you didn't, you where using a PLANT that has been used for all recorded human history, with an UNDENIABLE 100% proven track record for safety.

You relied on it too much, that's it. And to be truthful, just because you have stopped smoking cannabis you have changed nothing, you are still a person with an addictive gene or quality unless you counter the reasons why you got into the rut with self medicating in the first place. Confront those demons and you will be able to enjoy anything you want how ever intense. Everyone who smokes cannabis falls into the honeymoon period with it, yours just lasted too long for you.

You should stop looking at what cannabis didn't do for you and start looking at what it did for you.

Peace


well said

[silver_eyes]

In my experience/opinion:-
Weed blinds your thinking. And makes you say stuff you wouldn't say if you
were sober. And talk shit a lot of the time.
It makes you believe it's the best thing in the world, while you're on it.
It makes you believe all kinds of stuff, you laugh at stuff you'd never laugh
at if you were sober....you become stressed at stuff you'd normally not give
a shit about if you were sober...you think stuff is brilliant, but if you were
sober you'd think the same stuff was total shit. Such as songs..tv stuff...
people...friends...numerous other things.

Eyepod is right..it does have physically-addictive symptoms.

I suffered withdrawals for weeks after giving up. Including:-
Sweating so much i was getting through 8 t shirts a day.
Nightmares for 2 months every night, shouting and screaming in my sleep.
Depressive-type feelings.
Over excitement, then downers.
Confusion.
Major appetite fluctuation.
Nausea.

Hell for months it was.

Whether it was, as a previous poster mentioned, due to endorphins, or
actual withdrawal from the THC in cannabis, i don't know.

Either way, it produced physical symptoms in me.

Everyones different i suppose.

I was on between 20 and 30 pipes a day for nearly 20 years. Morning til night.

it sounds like ur off ur rocker. i smoked for 6 years and when i broke my ankle i didnt smoke for 2 months and i was fine. other then just wanting to get high to pass the time. it sounds like alot of u guys are blaming weed for ur own phycological weakness's

[light seeker]

After nine years of smoking pot I gave it up in 2004. I smoked regularly - every evening and all of the weekends. When I moved into my own place it got worse - I smoked constantly; on the sofa while watching TV, in bed before sleeping, with friends, in the bath, as soon as I got home from work. In the end, it just did my head in. I'd never suffered with paranoia in the whole time I was smoking it until the last two months or so of my smoking career. I simply started to get these uneasy feelings; strange, bad "vibes". Like I said, it did my head in. At this time I knew it was time to knock it on the head.

Though I had loads of good times, giggles and meaningful conversation with friends in our pot circle, I look back now and just see how I constantly had my head in a big cloud of green smoke. I was lazy and lived for nothing but getting together with friends for a smoke. My short-term memory was shot, I couldn't concentrate, I felt totally spaced out all the time - even when I wasn't smoking, my mind wasn't sharp and I wasn't as quick-witted as I used to be. I was really worried I was going to be stuck that way.

It's been a long road getting myself back on an even keel. These days my mind is clear and sharp - I see things with such clarity. I feel my intuition's been finely honed, something I'd lost complete sight of in the green smog that surrounded me back then. It's taken a long time for my short-term memory to recover well, but it's not the same as it used to be. I think the damage has been done there.

I question whether I wholly regret spending the best part of ten years smoking the green. Well, no, not really, because there were some very good times and experiences to be had and it's been part and parcel of becoming who I am today. The thing I regret the most is the damage it's inevitably done to my lungs. These days, for me, there's more to life. What's done is done. I'm just glad I gave it up. No regrets there at all.

I've enjoyed reading the posts from people who've quit too. Good on you all!

:)

[silver_eyes]

reading alot of these post ive come to realize. that weed deff have different effect on different people. ive personally never have a problem with it and ive been able to drop it at months at a time so im not addicted. all of u people who say u were in a prison seem kinda weak minded to me. u took advantage of the plant for ur own happiness and then when u had adverse effects because of abusing it u wanna damn it for burning u when u were the one who was abusing. if people enjoy smoking it everyday who gives a damn? it works for them. my friends dad has been smoking it everyday for more then 30 years and hes as happy as anyone ive ever met. honestly i treat it as more of a social treat then a habit and this works very well for me. never am i gonna blame weed for any problems that i myself have brought along by being ignorant.

[edelweiss pirate]

it sounds like ur off ur rocker. i smoked for 6 years and when i broke my ankle i didnt smoke for 2 months and i was fine. other then just wanting to get high to pass the time. it sounds like alot of u guys are blaming weed for ur own phycological weakness's

Agreed. It's just an 'erb man!

Nobody's forcing you to smoke it......Just mix it up a bit man. Have a few weeks on the weed.... then take a break.... get fit for a couple of months or something, take a holiday, get away from weed and doing something else instead for a while, then go back to it... nobody twists your arm... it's not that addictive. Much less so than alcohol.

Stay 'straight' for too long and you'll soon remebered why you smoked in the first place.

The only thing better than weed is Zen mediatation.

Either is fine.

[21_12_2012]

it sounds like ur off ur rocker. i smoked for 6 years and when i broke my ankle i didnt smoke for 2 months and i was fine. other then just wanting to get high to pass the time. it sounds like alot of u guys are blaming weed for ur own phycological weakness's

It's definately not the first time I've been called "off my rocker"
It's the people who call themselves 'normal' you have to watch out for !

[hw spartan]

With the weed it puts you in a comfortable box.I have alot of friends who smoke it.
I have a african friend moses he is a really good musician .He told me if he was not on the weed he would be famous by now.He told me how so many opportunities have been lost because he was on the weed.
One of my friends matty has been smoking it since 1987 everyday.He lives in a bed sit does not see anything wrong with smoking it .As he says it gives you wizdom.
He goes to bed mostly about 5am and sleeps all day. He screwed his apprenticeship up by being too stoned on his course very intelligent guy.
He will be in same bedsit in 10yrs time if he does not snap out of it.He is also the most paranoid person I have ever met.

Peace:)

Your friend mosses, he wouldnt be from Swisstseland(sorry for spelling)????:)

[h2pogo]

For you guys that no longer smoke, what level of quality was the herb you smoked all those years? Just curious about that aspect.

smoked every quality going for years love the stuff but you cant escape the fact that there are neggative effects for lots of people.
for me the most neggative point is it innhibits your true potential to be at one with the universe it basicly fuzzies you energy.

[branjo]

I think people who run around saying that cannabis is the reason they were unhappy are the ones we should watch out for...lol

[druggalo]

yall sum doushebagg poserz for dissing majajuana

yall prolly smoked rego sschwagg mexi dirt your whole lyfe

organic and hydroponic kind nugz is the best thing that ever happened to humanity.

in a world of hate and violence where ppl are miserable suffering sick and at war, marajuana is one thing that makes ppl feel better and gives comfort with out risk.

marajuana= anti violence/peace

u want to brag about being free quit drinkin the alch poison.:mad:
beotchez

http://hightimes.com/userdata/24/images/24_DSC03152_poc061305.jpg

[moondancer]

Well done Sharpiesix :)

I smoked for years. Stopped since Feb this year.. I've always been able to 'drop in n drop out' of it...Doubt I would buy it again though

(werid that alot on here have quit this year?)

But If someone had a cheeky little J or say a 'christmas J' and they offered me a drag, I doubt I would say no :)

I do feel better without it.. but sometimes can be just as lazy! :confused:

I agree with moderation. But also know how smokin can get very out of control..no hangover, no come down.. all very easy (apart from 'the haze').

Of course, its the rubbish that gets mixed /sprayed on it whilst growing which is the most dangerous.. like all drugs. What's even more dangerous is the 'overly cut' rubbish that the kids are taking nowadays.. (smoke & class a)

I had some good times when I was younger though and wouldnt change it for the world :p

Keep up the good work... :)

[sharpiesix]

yall sum doushebagg poserz for dissing majajuana

yall prolly smoked rego sschwagg mexi dirt your whole lyfe

organic and hydroponic kind nugz is the best thing that ever happened to humanity.

in a world of hate and violence where ppl are miserable suffering sick and at war, marajuana is one thing that makes ppl feel better and gives comfort with out risk.

marajuana= anti violence/peace

u want to brag about being free quit drinkin the alch poison.:mad:
beotchez

http://hightimes.com/userdata/24/images/24_DSC03152_poc061305.jpg

Thanks for your incoherent response. I can't really reply cos i cant understand you. :confused:

Also the bit i did understand was something about alcohol i think. I haven't touched the stuff in years, you are quick to make assumptions about my life. If your happy with your life awesome my friend, you are delusional tho. If you were to understand not only read my first post you would see im not "dissing" it, i was seeking advice from like minded people. THAT AINT YOU

The weed in the pic looks really badly grown too. I looks very stressed

[sharpiesix]

Well done Sharpiesix :)

I smoked for years. Stopped since Feb this year.. I've always been able to 'drop in n drop out' of it...Doubt I would buy it again though

(werid that alot on here have quit this year?)

But If someone had a cheeky little J or say a 'christmas J' and they offered me a drag, I doubt I would say no :)

I do feel better without it.. but sometimes can be just as lazy! :confused:

I agree with moderation. But also know how smokin can get very out of control..no hangover, no come down.. all very easy (apart from 'the haze').

Of course, its the rubbish that gets mixed /sprayed on it whilst growing which is the most dangerous.. like all drugs. What's even more dangerous is the 'overly cut' rubbish that the kids are taking nowadays.. (smoke & class a)

I had some good times when I was younger though and wouldnt change it for the world :p

Keep up the good work... :)

Thanks very much moondancer, it seems to be getting easier when i see the level of intelligence that stoned people project. Some of them can't even speak or type. hehe

[sharpiesix]

I think people who run around saying that cannabis is the reason they were unhappy are the ones we should watch out for...lol

Cannabis makes me very happy, however when i've spent most of my life under it's spell i start feeling as if i'm not in control, i cant do anything without it. Thats a prison sentence as fas as i'm concerned, thank for your input.

[ilponn]

ive smoked for over 25 years and to tell you the truth if you smoke your own 100% organic weed , your going to be ok ,

not the chemical filled stuff or the rotten black or rocky either as they all have chemicals in it .

i smoke for pain and all ive ever smoked is organic your weed needs to be flushed proper and dryed proper with no mold on it.

weed needs flushing drying curing just like any normal harvest :)


organic will not hurt you in anyway , tastes alot better as well

[equinox]

Nice one Sharpiesix! I smoked it for about 10 years, I loved it for the 1st 2 years or so, then I started to get too analytical( I had alot of problems, I wasn't moving on in my life) and so started to get very self concious and paranoid, so I got into all the other drugs and booze.

I think as others have said its ok in moderation, i know someone who just smokes it once a year, he goes to amsterdam with his wife.

I got bored of being stoned all the time and yes it is a prison when you do it all the time, on your own too.

Also it makes you think too much, or it did for me anyway, and you can have far too much left brain activity, it's interesting at first, that was what used to fascinate me about it, where my head would go, going round someone elses house and observing their habits, slightly different way of doing mundane things, was like going into a different culture!

I used to love music, lying on my bed going into a real journey of agony and ecstacy after smoking abit too much.

i wouldn't go back to it now, it wouldn't be the same, sometimes i think 'it would be nice to have a pipe or some acid or something' but probably it wouldn't for me.

(i think the only drug I would consider using is DMT, if it comes my way and it feels intuitively right to do it then i will.People say it tkes you to other dimensions, but whether that is true or not isn't the important thing, what interests me about it is whether it helps a person to heighten their awareness that this world is just an illusion, and whether that stays with one permanently after the experience.)

these days though, i like to be in a space where there is nothing within me to
escape from, over the years i have done various things to get rid of emotional baggage, thats when life gets more interesting, when you lose more and more fear.

Sharpiesix, this is great time for you to start learning about yourself, do some meditation, if you can, pranayama, chi kung, whatever, to get more out of life, to be even freer and clearer in your head.

I wish you all the best!

[misterethoughts]

I enjoy weed but I believe their should always be a balance in everything you do.

[moondancer]

ive smoked for over 25 years and to tell you the truth if you smoke your own 100% organic weed , your going to be ok ,

not the chemical filled stuff or the rotten black or rocky either as they all have chemicals in it .

i smoke for pain and all ive ever smoked is organic your weed needs to be flushed proper and dryed proper with no mold on it.

weed needs flushing drying curing just like any normal harvest :)


organic will not hurt you in anyway , tastes alot better as well

What you doin at christmas?.... ;)

[apekteina lordosis]

paranoia

i found paranoia to be quite addictive, and ramped up with a few bongs and a "casual" stroll by moonlight to the 24hr garage, it was the cheapest, bestest thrill going. even daylight standing stoned in the queue at the local spar was a buzz, so paranoid my eyes wouldn't move from side2side. though i guess the real rush came when the mission had achieved its objective and me feet were carrying me home.

i kinda found paranoia to be healthy, but not when it was continuous for month on end.

[silver_eyes]

Cannabis makes me very happy, however when i've spent most of my life under it's spell i start feeling as if i'm not in control, i cant do anything without it. Thats a prison sentence as fas as i'm concerned, thank for your input.

isnt it kinda ur fault for letting it control u? ive smoked off and on for 6 years and i havent smoked in 4 days and i feel fine. im in no prison and i enjoy weed when i do smoke

[krakhead]

i found paranoia to be quite addictive, and ramped up with a few bongs and a "casual" stroll by moonlight to the 24hr garage, it was the cheapest, bestest thrill going. even daylight standing stoned in the queue at the local spar was a buzz, so paranoid my eyes wouldn't move from side2side. though i guess the real rush came when the mission had achieved its objective and me feet were carrying me home.

i kinda found paranoia to be healthy, but not when it was continuous for month on end.

LMAO! You sick little puppy! I like your style! :D

[apekteina lordosis]

*curtsies* ;)

[sharpiesix]

Nice one Sharpiesix! I smoked it for about 10 years, I loved it for the 1st 2 years or so, then I started to get too analytical( I had alot of problems, I wasn't moving on in my life) and so started to get very self concious and paranoid, so I got into all the other drugs and booze.

I think as others have said its ok in moderation, i know someone who just smokes it once a year, he goes to amsterdam with his wife.

I got bored of being stoned all the time and yes it is a prison when you do it all the time, on your own too.

Also it makes you think too much, or it did for me anyway, and you can have far too much left brain activity, it's interesting at first, that was what used to fascinate me about it, where my head would go, going round someone elses house and observing their habits, slightly different way of doing mundane things, was like going into a different culture!

I used to love music, lying on my bed going into a real journey of agony and ecstacy after smoking abit too much.

i wouldn't go back to it now, it wouldn't be the same, sometimes i think 'it would be nice to have a pipe or some acid or something' but probably it wouldn't for me.

(i think the only drug I would consider using is DMT, if it comes my way and it feels intuitively right to do it then i will.People say it tkes you to other dimensions, but whether that is true or not isn't the important thing, what interests me about it is whether it helps a person to heighten their awareness that this world is just an illusion, and whether that stays with one permanently after the experience.)

these days though, i like to be in a space where there is nothing within me to
escape from, over the years i have done various things to get rid of emotional baggage, thats when life gets more interesting, when you lose more and more fear.

Sharpiesix, this is great time for you to start learning about yourself, do some meditation, if you can, pranayama, chi kung, whatever, to get more out of life, to be even freer and clearer in your head.

I wish you all the best!
Thank you equinox, I have been quite interested in meditation and relaxation recently, i think this may have caused me to rethink my bad habits and stuff. Cheers for the support. :D

[jos08]

I have never smoked cannabis and hopeful will carry on like that forever.

[sharpiesix]

I have never smoked cannabis and hopeful will carry on like that forever.

Well done jos08, yea i have no one to blame but myself. I feel so much better for stopping. However i would not be the person i am today if i hadn't smoked it for all those years. It wasn't all a waste of time. But good riddance :cool:

[jahzel]

There's nothing wrong with not smoking cannabis or doing drugs - it's just you're missing out big time! :D

:eek: ;)

[sharpiesix]

There's nothing wrong with not smoking cannabis or doing drugs - it's just you're missing out big time! :D

:eek: ;)


Please elaborate. What am i missing out on?

I love the way you know nothing about my drug past, but feel you have to assume you know me it. Some people are so badly confused it a near tragedy.

Mince for brains is what I'm missing out on jahzel

[ichi wa zen]

I have lost 2 of my best friends and some family members due to smoking too much herb. They are now paranoid, mentally ill and need medication to function "properly" (they are more like vegetables now and will never be like the people they once were).

I think its because the dutch weed is too strong and is more like a harddrug than some innocent plant.

Each his own but dont smoke too much dutch weed or you will lose it. You nondutchies can continue smoking cause your stuff is for women anyway with little THC in it :p

EDIT in dutch we call this mental illness "psychose", i dont know the english equivalent.

[eternal_spirit]

I have never smoked cannabis and hopeful will carry on like that forever.

Vice versa and erm vice versa :)

[eternal_spirit]

I have lost 2 of my best friends and some family members due to smoking too much herb. They are now paranoid, mentally ill and need medication to function "properly" (they are more like vegetables now and will never be like the people they once were).

I think its because the dutch weed is too strong and is more like a harddrug than some innocent plant.

Each his own but dont smoke too much dutch weed or you will lose it. You nondutchies can continue smoking cause your stuff is for women anyway with little THC in it :p

EDIT in dutch we call this mental illness "psychose", i dont know the english equivalent.

Psychosis maybe?

The strongest of strains are not confined to Holland. :)

[eternal_spirit]

The effects of NOT smoking cannabis

Coming on here and getting involved in debates which often descend into mindless arguments without meaning them too.
I can get a bit Tetchy! without

[kanz]

Dont blame the weed though. You didnt respect it and you abused it and yourself. Dont be like those idiots that live on Big Macs for 12 years and then try and sue Mc Donalds cos they're fat fuckers. LOL
Everything is beneficial in moderation,including nicotine,alcohol and cream cakes.

Well said mate .

[kanz]

With the weed it puts you in a comfortable box.I have alot of friends who smoke it.
I have a african friend moses he is a really good musician .He told me if he was not on the weed he would be famous by now.He told me how so many opportunities have been lost because he was on the weed.
One of my friends matty has been smoking it since 1987 everyday.He lives in a bed sit does not see anything wrong with smoking it .As he says it gives you wizdom.
He goes to bed mostly about 5am and sleeps all day. He screwed his apprenticeship up by being too stoned on his course very intelligent guy.
He will be in same bedsit in 10yrs time if he does not snap out of it.He is also the most paranoid person I have ever met.

Peace:)

Don't blame the weed that was the individual right there.

Weed isn't some thing that will fuk up your life unless you let it. He lost his apprenticeship because he was stoned? Thats his fault not the weed. You wouldn't go to work drunk , so don't go stoned either.

If you choose to abuse something ( Yes im saying you can smoke to much weed I guess, won't be fatal might just make you a little slow. Even then thats down to the individual again.) thats fine in my book , just so long as when you mess up you don't go blaming the product for what you chose to do.

[ichi wa zen]

Psychosis maybe?

The strongest of strains are not confined to Holland. :)

Thanks, thats the word!

[branjo]

I have lost 2 of my best friends and some family members due to smoking too much herb. They are now paranoid, mentally ill and need medication to function "properly" (they are more like vegetables now and will never be like the people they once were).

No offense but that sounds like BS propaganda speaking, You need to ask them how much acid they were dropping between joints cause they would be the first people in history to be harmed like how you say by the plant your talking about. I would say if a good feed and a good sleep doesn't cure them then it was nothing to do with the weed.

A group of people can feed off each others depression, that's not the weeds fault its up to you and your group of friends or family to get up off your arse and do something, not sit around and wait for it to fall in your lap. Jesus if life ever got that bad with a group of friends I would take the day of work and go to a fairground, stoned or not as soon as you get in the Dodgems your 5 years old again.

You can't live stoned that we all know but if you can't find your own limits and learn from them then your just not old enough to manually drive your own mind and you best leave it in automatic. And with that being said they should stay away from all forms of drugs including caffeine and sugar and they have more of a grip on the population than any other substance.
Weed is weed, no country gets better weed, Holland has a lot more choices n all but putting a seed in dirt and watering it is hardly rocket science.

[carlg1212]

Moderation is the key. Too much water can kill you. Is water to blame? No.

http://www.wellcoolstuff.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/yumbolt.jpg

[sharpiesix]

Moderation is the key. Too much water can kill you. Is water to blame? No.

http://www.wellcoolstuff.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/yumbolt.jpg

Your missing my point.

[montag]

Your missing my point.
I know, none of us 'quitters' are suggesting everyone quit pot but just sharing our own personal experience with the weed, if pot still works for you then go for it. I had many happy years on the weed, then I came to a point when it was no longer a positive so I ditched it as you did sharpie, no need for posters to come on to this thread singing it's praises or defending it, there are tons of other threads here to do that if you have a bit of a search around.:)

[kanz]

I have lost 2 of my best friends and some family members due to smoking too much herb. They are now paranoid, mentally ill and need medication to function "properly" (they are more like vegetables now and will never be like the people they once were).

I think its because the dutch weed is too strong and is more like a harddrug than some innocent plant.

Each his own but dont smoke too much dutch weed or you will lose it. You nondutchies can continue smoking cause your stuff is for women anyway with little THC in it :p

EDIT in dutch we call this mental illness "psychose", i dont know the english equivalent.

Holland weed is so 90's man :p.

Got stuff that will blow your mind.

[montag]

Holland weed is so 90's man :p.

Got stuff that will blow your mind.
The topic of the thread is " The effects of NOT smoking cannabis", can we please stay on topic and not derail this thread.

[jos08]

waooo you people really want to numb yourself hah! ok then ,, good for you :cool:

[rydeon]

The "herb" that is cannabis isn't really the issue here, the point here is that it was being used as a crutch, the substance is irrelevant. You just have an obsessive personality, that's not a bad thing as I think this can mean your just very thorough...lol. The addictiveness of anything is a point of view, people are addicted to taking vitamins everyday because it makes them feel better so they take them repeatedly.

The word "Drugs" is the fucking problem, it neatly wraps up everything for people with no intention of trying it or letting themselves enjoy/experience it. Some feel chocolate is a "drug" for christs sake, its an infectious little word that infects anything that people don't understand or respect or can't explain any other way.

You smoked it all the time because you needed to do it, maybe you lost your appreciating view on your life which now you have back. You don't know that if you never smoked cannabis that in 15 years you would be where you are now physically or psychologically, If you had gotten "addicted" to certain foods or alcohol you could be dead about now, or have damaged your body irreparably. But you didn't, you where using a PLANT that has been used for all recorded human history, with an UNDENIABLE 100% proven track record for safety.

You relied on it too much, that's it. And to be truthful, just because you have stopped smoking cannabis you have changed nothing, you are still a person with an addictive gene or quality unless you counter the reasons why you got into the rut with self medicating in the first place. Confront those demons and you will be able to enjoy anything you want how ever intense. Everyone who smokes cannabis falls into the honeymoon period with it, yours just lasted too long for you.

You should stop looking at what cannabis didn't do for you and start looking at what it did for you.

Peace

A lot of people smoke it with tobacco which means the so called 'healthy effects' are then offset

[kanz]

The topic of the thread is " The effects of NOT smoking cannabis", can we please stay on topic and not derail this thread.

The thread got derailed a long time ago , i was just replying to a post someone made.

[drhemp]

Report urges regulated market for cannabis to replace prohibition

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/oct/02/drugsandalcohol.drugspolicy

[jahzel]

Please elaborate. What am i missing out on?

I love the way you know nothing about my drug past, but feel you have to assume you know me it. Some people are so badly confused it a near tragedy.

Mince for brains is what I'm missing out on jahzel

Bloody hell mate, calm down, I was only joking.

Ah fuck it, I don't like these forums anymore. I'm moving on to greener pastures, you can delete my account.

No wonder the master doesn't visit here.

[lordzoma]

The lightsider fascist, you are a better and more effective person if you DO or DON'T DO this is rank and foul in this thread.


Any substance or path you choose in life is your own and part of your own journey. Everyone has their own body chemistry, and when it comes to worldly substances like marijuana, they will affect you in different ways. What is true for some is not true for others.

In addition - smoking marijuana stimulates communication between the two haves of the brain, as well as promotes the growth of new neurons.

[krakhead]

Any substance or path you choose in life is your own and part of your own journey. Everyone has their own body chemistry, and when it comes to worldly substances like marijuana, they will affect you in different ways. What is true for some is not true for others.


Bingo! :D

[seercirra]

Well done sharpiesix. Keep it up mate. I know how you're feeling !

I smoked it constantly from 1987 to 2006, day and night. I was a full-on
self-admitted "addict".

I tried unsuccessfully to stop in 1992, and i didn't stay off for long, maybe 6
months.

The last time (2006) it was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.
Took me 12 months to feel balanced after i stopped, but i stuck with it
and the 'cravings' totally went away at around 15 months.

Apart from you guys on here. i don't know anyone who has ever stopped
smoking weed, apart from a friend of mine who went to jail for a year, but
he started again the day he came out.

It definately takes you out of a big 'box' when you give it up.
I have no desire to ever take it again, and can quite happily be amongst
people who smoke it, without wanting to smoke it myself.


i have smoked since i was 16, im now 24.
i havnt had anything for 3 months now. (because ive moved to a different town, dont know anyone here, and my girlfriends on my back about wasting money)
there is absolutely no change in me.
nothing, nadda, zilch.

cannabis is not addictive, not physically, your body does not yearn for it like nicotine.

people become "addicted" to cannabis for the simple fact that they like it.
a similar scenario would be a favourite food.
ie chocolate.

if chocolate were not fattening and unhealthy, and could make you feel more pleasant and relaxed, then im sure most people would not like to leave home without a bar. why should they have to?
now imagine that person goes through life happily taking a bar out with him everywhere he goes. - with no problems.
a couple of years down the line lets pretend theres a chocolate shortage. the person cannot take the chocolate out with him. so he feels uncomfortable and doesnt like the thought of it.
my point is, its not a problem with cannabis. its a natural psychological problem which occurs when somebody who is very used to having something, cannot anymore. and when its taken away they feel a little naked without it.

the problems arise when people cant pay their mortgage because of the cost of it. or they cant be successful in work because it takes a long time to get it out of your system and so they cant put their "business hat" on. or when family members or friends expect a person to behave in a way that theyre used to. and the person smoking does not.
this makes the smoker feel bad and blame the plant.
but these are problems with the environment, and they are other peoples problems in not being able to accept change. theyre not the plants problems.

[h2pogo]

other than as i said on an earlier post that by not smoking you are able to tune your conciseness into the universal conciseness
i also have more vivid dreams.
i also want to become more active in actually resisting the nwo.
it also helps to put my feelings and opinions into words and sentences.
as a life long stoner if find this a very interesting thread.

[dondaz]

I don't remember my dreams as much if I go to sleep stoned!

[psych641]

the dream recall thing is because cannabinoids mimic the dreaming neurotransmitter anandamide. But your not really missing out completely IMO, as youve done your dreaming whilst awake, upsetting the neurochemical balance in the process - so at night the system is busy recharging or something.

[montag]

Any substance or path you choose in life is your own and part of your own journey.
Exactly, just do what works..

[drhemp]

the dream recall thing is because cannabinoids mimic the dreaming neurotransmitter anandamide. But your not really missing out completely IMO, as youve done your dreaming whilst awake, upsetting the neurochemical balance in the process - so at night the system is busy recharging or something.

Try a herb called Cala Zachatechichi or Mexian Dream Herb, for really vivid lucid dreams. You can smoke it, and it sort of gets you stoned, but it's more effective when drank as a tea, the problem is it's the most fowl bitter tasting stuff you will have ever tasted, I mean it really is truly revolting, and nothing you can add to it will improve or sweeten the taste.

I tried it one time, I drank and smoked some, I remember in my dream was I was swimming, but it was just I was in the water; I could feel the sensation of swimming, and also some out of body experiences. I could remember the dream really clearly, normally, I don't remember dreams with such clarity.

The Indians used to use this herb to seek answers in life, and also to find properly they had lost to remember where they had put it; they would find a quiet place, and drink some tea and smoke the leaf. I always wonder how they discovered how these herbs do stuff, as it's so revolting to drink, it's amazing they even tried it. You really have to taste it to comprehend how bad it taste, I think the most awful thing I ever tasted in my life, probably not worth the vivid dreams, coz I never drank it again.

http://www.potseeds.co.uk/images/entheogens/calea.gif

[vvvv]

I smoked the stuff for a very long time; I use to defend it as well "god put it here" ya right I don't think so. Your vibration is going to increase ten fold brother. Just wait till the good dreams and contacts come, your spirit wont come close to you when your stoned.
Love Light and Balance to you Friend

[serenevasaline]

You know, I smoked weed heavily from the age of 16 -20 and was fine, until I went to Amsterdam with the college.
I got sooo unbelievably wrecked out there that when I came back to britain I kept trying to get as high as i was out there. Of course, the weed we get is not the same. What I was smoking in the Welsh vallys was bunk. Anyway, I became more and more paranoid, stopped opening the door and answering the phone. I remember having to take a library book back and standing in the hall way, by the door trembling with fear of the outside world. It became worse and worse and then one day, whilst I was waiting for the kettle to boil I started to feel faint, I got tunnel vision and had to sit down. I tried calling to my fella who was sitting across the room from me but i couldnt speak. Eventually he looked at me and his face scared me. He said I had turned blue!!! I had pains through my chest and a warm , sensation through my groin (odd, lol) and I couldn;t feel my heart beat. I was certain I was gonna die. This wasnt just a little paranoia attack that you noramlly get from weed. Anyway, the ambulance came and rescued me, yay! and I was fine after an hour or so. I couldnt speak for ages though, was in shock. Anyway, I didn;t smoke for a few weeks and after a while, stupidly , thought the phase had probably passed so I had a couple of spliffs one day. In the evening I went to the loo and as I bent over to pull my jeans up I had this almighty head rush and then all I remember is a burst of images , and I woke up on my back in the Garden looking at the clouds crying and saying " I;m coming back" all dramatically, lol. And the ambulance had to come and save me again!. This time I done my ankle in as I fell and almost smashed my head in on the concrete step.

Oh and I collapsed when I first started smoking it at 16. I had the attic bedroom where I used to live, and I got to the top of the ladder and fell down, the ladder swung around and flung me over the banister and down the stairs. I can't believe I came away from that one without an injury.

My point here people is that we DON'T NEED DRUGS. I don;t want people thinking that weed is fine and it causes no harm because it does. it ruined my life and I am now resiting exams that I could of done years ago if it wan't for weed. It will slow down all areas of your personal development. It mess with your head.

We all need to be strong and fighting fit for whatever may come in life.

I agree Sharpie that we are still creative without weed. It slowed me down. I must've watched Alan partidge, Family guy and bill hicks DVDs about 1000 times over those 4 years. yeah, I was sooooo creative when I was stoned. What a waste of time.

[drhemp]

I smoked the stuff for a very long time; I use to defend it as well "god put it here" ya right I don't think so. Your vibration is going to increase ten fold brother. Just wait till the good dreams and contacts come, your spirit wont come close to you when your stoned.
Love Light and Balance to you Friend

I think most people smoke pot to get stoned while they are awake.

Each to their own, I'm sure most people get stoned for the simple reason they enjoy getting stoned; and to those that don't enjoy getting stoned, well, don't use cannabis.

[krakhead]

I think most people smoke pot to get stoned while they are awake.

Each to their own, I'm sure most people get stoned for the simple reason they enjoy getting stoned; and to those that don't enjoy getting stoned, well, don't use cannabis.

DrHemp for drug Tsar!! :D

[free_soul]

I stopped smoking cannabis earlier this year, and if anything i think ive got the opposite problem - its harder for me to find the motivation to get going now - i can spend hours lost in inertia, whereas earlier a *medicinal* dose of weed used to help me snap out of it.

A little like me i cut down from 1oz per week down to an eith a week the balance realy helps. Its a it like visiting day down the nick lol

[drhemp]

DrHemp for drug Tsar!! :D

Well it wouldn't be a very hard job. I'd turn up to work and say legalise the fucking lot, and that would be it.

[green]

Interesting thread.

Is there anything wrong with me playing music constantly, and smoking cannabis?

For years i have been doing it, and i receive great insights about myself and the world around me.

So, if that's a bad thing; please tell me.

I will go back to my old life watching the news, and I'll start taking life seriously again.

[green]

Cannabis is a plant with a wide variety of uses.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/images/hemp01.gif

It seems obvious to me that it's banned because of this fact.

[tattooverb]

LOL! :D



Too true. Adrenaline, endorphins and testosterone are naturally occurring and highly addictive too.

i agree which is why you see people who think they were in love treat each other like **** later

it is a kind of withdrawal and causes irritability and anger similar to nicotine withdrawal

by the way i have quit smoking myself before and am in the process of quitting again (it becomes harder when you mix tobacco with the pot so i shall be enjoying my double withdrawal )

[serenevasaline]

I wouldn;t say it shold be illegal at all.

It should be legalised.

But it's not for everyone. It ruined my life. I smoked daily for 4 years and it messed me up for a while. But this was resin, as in south wales you don't get nice fresh green.

[branjo]

I think addiction is reflective of your own will power, Cannabis is not addictive and 5 thousand years of documented use has proven it, more than any other substance known to man.

If you lived right next door to a fast food joint you would sooner or later need to ask yourself, am I eating it because I want to? or am I eating it because its there?

Don't blame a little plant for nearly ruining your life because it didn't, your lack of understanding of your own will power nearly ruined your life. Nothing and no one else is the result of your mental awareness or mental health except you. It didn't roll itself for you or crumble itself into a pipe it was you.

Smoking cannabis is only one form of use and is basically abused by people and that is also based on its scarcity, the less you have the more you crave. When you have a garden full of it you would not smoke as much as you think you would, in fact you will begin to ingest it and that's where its real benefits are.

I used to burn lots and lots of 911 DVD's and give them to people I know or didn't know and you know what I stopped because no one cares about conspiracies that they
"Believe" have no impact on their lives. Now I burn DVD's like "Run From The Cure" and before I give the DVD out I ask "have you ever lost anyone to cancer" and not one person has said "no" yet. You wake up more people by telling them that something they thought only fiends and criminals did could have saved their family members life and there views on crime will shift dramatically when this knowledge is understood.

All the 911 DVD's in the world won't come close to the knowledge that a little plant taken orally can literally stop a vast range of human suffering. I lost my Aunt to cancer about a month before I watched "Run from the Cure" and the anger I felt towards anyone who would speak ill of this little green blessing was multiplied many many times.

No one has the right to speak Ill of Cannabis in any way shape or form, you can only speak of your lack of inner strength to control your own greed. Don't get me wrong I have had the periods in my life where I have bought ridiculous amounts of hash and locked the door and not came out for a month and at the end of it I didn't know which way was up or down. But I can't say that it was the hash that made me do it either.

Granted regular Hash is not as pure as fresh weed but then what is these days, a home grown tomato vs a store bought one are very different also. I have had some very nice hash though with all manner of drugs added to it which isn't what you ask for but I call that a bonus..lol

Cannabis is a plant with a wide variety of uses.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/images/hemp01.gif

It seems obvious to me that it's banned because of this fact.

Green is 101% right, that right there is the reason its illegal. You don't have to smoke it to get high and actually if you eat a wack of hash its 10 times better than smoking it. Smoking it came last in its evolution as a way to utilize it.

The image of smoking it has become "cool" just like when you were a kid, when you saw an old man smoking a tobacco pipe it didn't make you want to grab a pipe and start smoking it. But when you saw the image of the cigarette it looked "cool" and no matter what anyone says, the number one draw for young people to cigarettes is that little white stick between the fingers and the instant coolness they feel holding it. If you never smoked cigarettes but smoked cannabis then I say you made an awesome choice and don't be so hard on yourself.

Remove that method from the use of ganja ie the "joint" and you have a very different effect both on health and on the frequent use of it.

Some people even smoke it because its illegal, some do it because they follow the herd. Some do it out of research about their own inner or outer being and some do it because they don't have anything better to do all day and are lazy feckers.

Remember the drug dealer doesn't need to go knocking on peoples door like a sales man, you go to him, although nowadays they are said to deliver everywhere which I feel is real progress :D

[serenevasaline]

OK then.

This is what I should of said

Because I believed that cannabis was harmless , and everyone was saying it was fine, and it didn't appear to be affecting my friends health I carried on smoking it and the effects of my actions changed my life for the worse. The effects of canabis on my life were bad.
I carried on and on until some pretty bad stuff happened and I began collapsing over and over . So yes, it can be dangerous. People get nervous disorders and mental illness from abusing it. That's up to the individual though and how they use the drug.
I am saying there are 2 sides to everything. Everything can be used for good and bad, and in my last post I was making the point that people don't need to turn smoking weed into a lifestyle. Yes it should be legalised, and yes it has great purposes, but I am refering to people who smoke it.

[astrochicken]

I stopped smoking regularly 6 years ago.

Now and again i'll smoke a doobie if in the mood (4 or 5 a year) and then only hash or hash oil and if the occasions merits.. ie. parties, a particularly nice sunny day etc. .. no more genetically modified dutch weed.. that just fucked my head up.

Back in the goodle days i was stoned at every gig for about 15 years, one gig i forget to bring some.. blinding fucking gig. Been that way since.

[branjo]

Yeah I think we were all hard core at one time, now I am lucky if I get a wee baggy every couple of months but it suits me well like that. But I dont regret any drug I have ever taken and I have been through the whole menu....:D

Now since I moved to the states I live in Illinois and the only thing I am trying to get are mushrooms but this state is the only one in the US where they don't naturally grow. Talk about bad luck or what?

[astrochicken]

Now since I moved to the states I live in Illinois and the only thing I am trying to get are mushrooms but this state is the only one in the US where they don't naturally grow. Talk about bad luck or what?


Find that hard to believe. Mycelium is the largest living organism on this planet.

Here ya go, the following can be found in cook county, illinois (http://lactarius.com/fungi/cook_list.htm)

Psilocybe agrariella
Psilocybe cernua
Psilocybe conica
Psilocybe graminicola
Psilocybe merdaria
Psilocybe pallida
Psilocybe sabulosa
Psilocybe semilanceota (shrooms (http://images.google.de/images?q=Psilocybe+semilanceata))

[branjo]

Holy Crap!:eek:

[sharpiesix]

OK then.

This is what I should of said

Because I believed that cannabis was harmless , and everyone was saying it was fine, and it didn't appear to be affecting my friends health I carried on smoking it and the effects of my actions changed my life for the worse. The effects of canabis on my life were bad.
I carried on and on until some pretty bad stuff happened and I began collapsing over and over . So yes, it can be dangerous. People get nervous disorders and mental illness from abusing it. That's up to the individual though and how they use the drug.
I am saying there are 2 sides to everything. Everything can be used for good and bad, and in my last post I was making the point that people don't need to turn smoking weed into a lifestyle. Yes it should be legalised, and yes it has great purposes, but I am refering to people who smoke it.

Thanks for that, Personally i think it is the best control mechanism known to man. I feel after a while its like Stockholm Syndrome. Many people think I'm just having a dig at the weed when i love the stuff. I just wanted to highlight the control it has over enthusiasm, motivation etc. It does absolute wonders for my music creation and learning.

[kamakazi]

i have smoked since i was 16, im now 24.
i havnt had anything for 3 months now. (because ive moved to a different town, dont know anyone here, and my girlfriends on my back about wasting money)
there is absolutely no change in me.
nothing, nadda, zilch.

cannabis is not addictive, not physically, your body does not yearn for it like nicotine.


to those who say they used to smoke but have now given up because they were sick of the bad effects or it was ruining your life were you smoking straight green or a mix of tobacco/weed? were you taking other drugs aswell? i dont know about the rest of the world but down here in oz 99% of ppl smoke it mixed. personally i started off smoking straight green (because i never smoked cigs and never will) and did so for several years with no real problems but then began adding tobacco to the mix coz thats how everyone else smoked it. a couple years of that and it was getting to me too much. instead of it being about getting high it turned into me constantly craving that next "hit" that my body so desperately needed. i now needed to smoke more and more and it completely took over to the point id had enough of it and decided to quit. after about 6-7 months without a single toke i started smoking straight green again and have been doing so for over a year with no problems just like when i first started. i smoke only when i want to get high (i dont need to be high 24/7) which is usually at night after work and whenever i feel like it on the weekends. i can go days without if necessary, i have no problems with motivation and the only downside is that my dreams arent as vivid and crazy if i go to sleep stoned. oh well...

if you are only smoking straight green and you feel like its controlling you and your in some sort of "prison" then weed just isnt for YOU (or your smoking way too much)... its certaintly not the same for everyone else.

[branjo]

I get what people are saying but I feel there is an underlying common ground and that is, Psychologically it may not be for everyone ie the "High" but medicinally it is for everyone as it seems that no one on the planet is allergic to it which for a medicine is quite unique.

Now lol, I remember a news report once were some dude developed a cancerous growth on his tongue and the gist of the report was he took "1" puff of a joint in his teens at college and he and his doctor agreed that it was the fault of cannabis, Now I am not a doctor but I will put my life on the line there and say both of them are off there heads, even playing devils advocate and saying its possible that someone yada yada is also BS sorry not buying it.

As far as Cannabis and Humans go, we are meant to use this just like Mushrooms. The human race took a very stupid course of a painfully slow evolution the second the hallucinogen wasn't continued in society and cannabis wasn't used as a mainstream medicine. In that time all manner of nasty people rose to great heights of power like governments and big pharma and I think personally if we embraced the natural substances like these the world would be a very different place today and a damn sight healthier in body and mind.

It should be decriminalized at the very least, how much tax payers money gets wasted each year to keep a harmless pot head in jail, I don't care if he was caught with 20 tons of the stuff its still not dangerous unless that 20 tons landed on someone, then we would have the first cannabis fatality. Old ground n all I know and we are already blue in the face but at least in the states they are beginning to listen. That wanker Brown needs to be tied to a chair and forced to smoke a joint.

[serenevasaline]

Now lol, I remember a news report once were some dude developed a cancerous growth on his tongue and the gist of the report was he took "1" puff of a joint in his teens at college and he and his doctor agreed that it was the fault of cannabis, .

hahahaha

Now THAT is bollocks :D:D:D

[tattooverb]

to those who say they used to smoke but have now given up because they were sick of the bad effects or it was ruining your life were you smoking straight green or a mix of tobacco/weed? were you taking other drugs aswell? i dont know about the rest of the world but down here in oz 99% of ppl smoke it mixed. personally i started off smoking straight green (because i never smoked cigs and never will) and did so for several years with no real problems but then began adding tobacco to the mix coz thats how everyone else smoked it. a couple years of that and it was getting to me too much. instead of it being about getting high it turned into me constantly craving that next "hit" that my body so desperately needed. i now needed to smoke more and more and it completely took over to the point id had enough of it and decided to quit. after about 6-7 months without a single toke i started smoking straight green again and have been doing so for over a year with no problems just like when i first started. i smoke only when i want to get high (i dont need to be high 24/7) which is usually at night after work and whenever i feel like it on the weekends. i can go days without if necessary, i have no problems with motivation and the only downside is that my dreams arent as vivid and crazy if i go to sleep stoned. oh well...

if you are only smoking straight green and you feel like its controlling you and your in some sort of "prison" then weed just isnt for YOU (or your smoking way too much)... its certaintly not the same for everyone else.


i agree
and i do not condemn pot or pot smokers (hell i live in amsterdam)
but if you add tobacco it becomes a strong craving
i wish i had never started putting tobacco in my weed